US to Iran: Surrender Dorothy!
“Negotiations” preceded by ultimatum
On a recent trip to Washington, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid down the law: America must threaten the Iranians with war if Tehran insists on pursuing its nuclear energy program. We are supposed to take seriously Netanyahu’s threats to strike Iran himself, in spite of the fact that Israel has neither the means nor the political resolve to do so. However, this is not the way Israel operates: their preferred method is to let Uncle Sam do their dirty work, as in Iraq, while they save their resources for aggression closer to home. The Israel-is-about-to-attack-Iran meme gives the Americans cover to take action in the name of preventing a supposedly greater catastrophe. With Israel playing the part of the unhinged pit-bull, Obama’s assigned role is that of the statesman, who is going to give the Iranians one “last chance,” as he put it.
In any case, the results of Netanyahu’s mission were unveiled on Saturday, when the New York Times revealed the opening negotiating position of the US and its European allies in the upcoming talks with Iran: the Western alliance is demanding the dismantling of the heavily fortified Fordo facility and the unconditional surrender of their entire stock of 20 percent enriched uranium.
That Iran has every right to enrich uranium to 20 percent under the terms of the Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT), is considered irrelevant by the West: as in the case of Iraq under Saddam Hussein, the Iranians are considered guilty until proven innocent. They must somehow prove they aren’t building weapons: the logical impossibility of proving a negative is also considered irrelevant.
The official position of the US intelligence community remains the same: that the Iranians stopped work on a weapons program in 2003, haven’t resumed it, and there is no evidence they’ve decided to go that route. But why should a US President listen to his own intelligence agencies when the Israelis – and the British – are demanding action? We are apparently a prisoner of our own “allies,” and it is they who are pushing us to war with Iran. That is what this administration’s vaunted “internationalism” is all about.
That the push for war is happening in the context of a presidential election season is all the more cause for worry: you’ll note Obama has taken to invoking Republican icons of late, from Eisenhower to Reagan, in order to justify his domestic policies, and there’s no doubt he wants to move to the “center” on the foreign affairs front, too. This means more than just toughening his rhetoric: as the issuing of this ultimatum shows, it means making real moves toward what seems nearly inevitable at this point – armed conflict with Iran.
For all this administration’s alleged attempts to “engage” the Iranians, there were never any serious efforts to come to any kind of agreement: unconditional demands, exemplified by this latest ultimatum, were always at the core of various Western “peace” proposals. Now that the Iranian drama is coming down to the wire, virtually all pretenses at real negotiations have been rapidly discarded.
While most Americans have no understanding of the highly technical issues that revolve around determining the nature of Iran’s nuclear energy program, polls show they can be easily frightened into giving their tacit consent to a ruinous war – just as they did in the case of Iraq. It is this, and not the question of whether the Iranians are actually intent on building a nuclear arsenal, that drives administration policy. In the end, and especially with this current crew in the White House, it’s all about politics – as the extraordinary leaking of a highly secret US surveillance program conducted over Iranian skies clearly shows.
In Iran, too, this politics-in-command principle holds: the currently divided Iranian leadership is using the nukes issue as a political football, with one faction accusing the other of going soft on the Americans. Inside Iran, the nuclear issue has become a matter of national pride, rather than economic development, with hardliners mobilizing nationalist sentiment against the opposition. The result is that the leaders of both countries are under enormous pressure to continue their intransigence to the end, which means the drift toward war can never be reversed, only delayed temporarily.
Barack Obama won the White House on the strength of his reputation as a “peace” candidate: the US electorate, weary of nearly a decade of constant war, embraced him over both his Democratic primary opponent and war enthusiast John McCain because they wanted a break from the crisis atmosphere of the Bush years. Yet that atmosphere was not about to dissipate just because the Republicans were out of office: indeed, it thickened perceptibly the moment he took office, due largely to the well-funded and hyper-active Israel lobby, and its neoconservative vanguard.
In mortal fear Obama might actually act on his campaign promises – half of them unspoken and largely imaginary – the War Party went on the offensive, in the US media, in the US Congress, and overseas, constantly hyping the alleged “threat” posed by the nuclear-armed “mad mullahs” of Tehran, and flooding the country with war propaganda. Much of this was based on the claims of the Israelis that they face an “existential threat” from Iran’s purported nuclear ambitions: Holocaust imagery is routinely invoked by both Israeli leaders and their American amen corner. That Israel possesses a substantial nuclear arsenal of its own, which it has never acknowledged, and has steadfastly refused to sign the NPT, as virtually all civilized nations in the world have done – well, we’re not supposed to breathe a word of this out loud, because to do so is to commit a hate crime.
Israel’s avid defenders complain the Jewish state is held to a different standard: that its routinely brutal behavior toward its Arab helots in the occupied territories is judged and condemned by those who are silent when it comes to the depredations of various other regimes. Or something like that. In any case, what is striking about this argument is that, in the case of the NPT, Israel is not being held to a standard applied equally to all others – and almost no one so much as mentions this astonishing fact. The last prominent person to bring it up in an international context was Bashar al-Assad – and look what happened to him.
It is absolutely ridiculous that a little sliver of a nation, with a population hovering around 7 million, is able to boss around a mighty multi-national empire like the United States, but there you have it – yet more proof of my theory of “libertarian realism,” which holds that domestic political considerations are the decisive factor in determining a nation’s foreign policy. In this context, it doesn’t matter whether Iran is really trying to join the nuclear club: as in the case of Iraq, if they can’t find the “evidence,” or credibly manufacture it, the US and its allies will demand the near total surrender of Iranian sovereignty and Tehran’s ritual humiliation on the world stage before they’ll even think of relenting. Limning the Wicked Witch of the West, who demanded of Oz that they “Surrender Dorothy!”, the “peace” candidate of 2008 is steering us on a course that can only end in war.
President Obama is uniquely qualified for the task of selling this war to the American people: a Republican couldn’t possibly pull it off. While the GOP is seen as trigger-happy and even reckless in the field of foreign affairs, Obama has cultivated the image of a careful pragmatist who will only resort to war as a last resort. Politically, support for such a war is virtually guaranteed during a Democratic presidency, since the Republicans will reflexively support it while only a few dissident Democrats will dare buck the administration.
That this will be a war to make the world safe for Israel is not even being denied any longer: the Israelis, who kept reasonably quiet in the run up to the invasion of Iraq, are now nothing if not vocal in their desire to see us take out the Persians. And so we will fight yet another war based on phony “intelligence” provided by our supposed allies, who openly and shamelessly use the dumb American giant to advance their various agendas. This is what comes of serving as the world’s self-appointed policeman: the necessity of having to answer every 911 call, no matter how dubious or even outright false it turns out to be.
We are hearing the same lies disseminated by the same gaggle of foreign agents, discredited deceivers, and bought off politicians, repeated over and over until we are sick unto death of hearing them. Are there no patriots left in Washington? God, but what I wouldn’t give for a J. William Fulbright or a Bob Taft, right now – just one prominent political figure with the standing to hold this administration accountable as we stand on the brink of war!
In the electoral arena, the prospects of finding a champion of reason and peace are dim. With the Democrats in thrall to the Obama cult, the only outlet for antiwar activism has been in that most unlikely arena, the GOP. Unfortunately, it looks like the campaign of Ron Paul is going to end in August, at the Republican national convention in Tampa: in the general election, anti-interventionist voters will have to either stay home or vote for some third- or fourth-party candidate nobody ever heard of.
The public discourse over this issue is incredibly one-sided: we are subjected to daily assault by a media complex that faithfully projects the assertions of US government officials as “fact,” with no chance of rebuttal. You’ll note that the media has recently been swept clean of any possible antiwar dissidents: Keith Olbermann, Pat Buchanan, Andrew Napolitano – all have been purged for one ostensible reason or another, and the public airwaves will not carry their protests when the President gives the command to “shock and awe” Tehran.
The conventional wisdom is that if the President strikes, he will wait until after the election, but there are two factors militating against this: 1) He has pretty much lost control of the timing by issuing this “last chance” ultimatum. If the Iranians don’t surrender Dorothy, the Witch has vowed to descend on her broomstick and command her flying monkeys to attack. If she doesn’t she’ll lose credibility – and the Republicans will be handed a campaign issue. 2) Speaking of the campaign, it is far easier for a wartime President to be reelected than a peacetime one presiding over a sputtering economy. With patriotic cries of “unity” in wartime and the atmosphere of manufactured crisis constraining his opponents, Obama will have a far easier time of it if he just relaxes, sits back, and lets the Israel lobby have its way with him.
If the President’s record in office demonstrates any consistency, it is that his default strategy is to take the path of least resistance. Of course, the resistance of the American people is neither here nor there, in this instance: the political system, which is designed to keep out “dissident” candidates, has fulfilled its function for the 2012 contest.
When it comes to the question of war and peace, the American people are largely excluded from the discourse, except for references to polls of dubious merit. This is a non-debate taking place almost exclusively among the political elites, a group that bases much of its inflated self-regard on the conviction that Washington is the epicenter of an empire grander and more enduring than any before it. Any attempt to scale down – or, Heaven forfend, even dismantle – this global imperium is nothing less than an attack on their status and their precious self-esteem. You’re about as likely to have a real foreign policy “debate” among this crowd as you are at a Soviet party congress, circa 1933.
I have to hand it to the War Party: a mere decade after ginning up a war based entirely on lies and manipulated “intelligence,” they’re on the verge of pulling it off again, in a nearly identical manner. Only this time the stakes are much higher, the “enemy” is a lot more formidable, and the chances of the conflict becoming regional or even worldwide are near certainty.
The Fordo facility is being fixated on for the simple reason that it makes for good war propaganda: a “heavily fortified” underground complex, where those evil Eye-ranians can make “weapons of mass destruction” in the dark. What our war-crazed media routinely fails to report, however, is that cameras are recording activities in that facility twenty-four hours a day, and Western surveillance of other sites is close and constant. If the Iranians were about to develop a nuclear bomb, we would know it well in advance.
These are the facts – but war propaganda, which plays on imagery and people’s emotions, has little if anything to do with facts. It is the role of the media, in a free society, to fact check the pronouncements of our political leaders, especially when they want to take us to war – but our media gave that function up long ago, in favor of becoming the stenographers of power.
At this point I could easily go off on a riff about the absolute importance of Antiwar.com and alternative media in exposing the War Party’s schemes and waking up the American public, but I’ll restrain myself this time. Suffice to say that we have our work cut out for us in the coming months, as the Iranian “crisis” unfolds. Hopefully, with your continued support, we’ll be up to the task.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
I’ve received so many emails and responses to my “Open Letter to Ron Paul” that I would have to devote an entire column to answering them – which is why I must refrain. I’ve had my say on the matter, and it’s not up to me whether my unsolicited advice is taken, so I’ll not say another word on the subject.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
April 8th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Obama has never ever been his own man. Every day his handlers give him a speech and schedue and tell him what to do. He is an ideal frontman. He is personable and does what he is told. He reads a speech well even if off the cuff he has to be careful. Who are his handlers? I think we all know who they are, banksters, and warmongers.
Nelson_2008
April 8th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
The continuing Zionist inspired, psychopathic aggression of the U.S./NATO butchers is a problem for the whole world, not just the victim(s) du jour. Silence is complicity at this point. This is "Kitty Genovese" on a never-ending international scale.
Iran should make it publicly known that, if attacked, it will target reactor building #4 at Fukushima, which reportedly holds 460 tons of hot radioactive spent fuel. I wonder how the whole world would feel about potentially having hundreds of tons of long-lived radiopoison released into the global ecology. Everybody will suffer. Would it still be worth it?
Nuke Grinch
April 8th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
The Isralies will fight to the last Amerikan and the last Amerikan dollar.
Ira Epstein
April 8th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Just how bad does Obama want to be reelected president? Bad enough to start a war against Iran for no good reason? There still has to be a shred of humanity left in Obama. A spark of humanity that would cause him not to start a war that could potentially kill hundreds of thousands of innocent persons. A spark that would hold off the dogs of war even if it means losing the presidency. Even if Obama does not start a war against Iran, it might just prove to be a stay of execution. Where Obama might hesitate, Romney or Santorum will pull the trigger. That is unless the Military lobby is strong enough to prevail against the rush to war with Iran. Obama's humanity and the military lobby are thin hopes for stopping war against Iran.
MvGuy
April 8th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Bankesters and war mongers, is that all or is there some OTHER distinctive feature, like them being a certain CULT of racial supremacists….. Fiercely loyal to America…??? Ha…Ha… HA…!!! Whatta tool…!!! Somewhere ELSE…??? SHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhh………..
MvGuy
April 8th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
A doomsday machine circa 2012…………….. More madness…… Thanks Japan…….
sherban
April 8th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
I think that this is the last moment when is possible to thwart the madness:all Nobel prize receivers ,especially those with Nobel for peace ,have to join Gunter Grass in making clear which is the aggressor and who is a danger for the peace .For sure Shimon Peres will not sign a declaration done in Gunter Grass direction but i believe that have to be enough who could say the truth in the last moment.
RickR30
April 8th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
It's time for an American National Council to replace the farce going on in DC.
It's still fascinating to see the establishment idiots and their israeli masters concoct all this nonsense, spend all this energy on manufacturing some absurd narrative to "justify" war. Why do they even bother? The American people obviously couldn't care less if we wipe out entire nations off the map for no reason, if we cause millions of dead, displaced, wounded. They don't even care if thousands of US troops die, are maimed, are psychologically crippled for life. It doesn't matter in the least to them if we send billions of dollars in crates overseas that do nothing. That we spend inconceivable amount of money on the transnational weapons industries and on foreign military aid and in general on these invasionoccupations is not an issue to them. The American people will tolerate anything and everything from "their" government. Gas at $20 dollars a gallon and a nasty shortage in sight in case of war? No biggie. It's just how "the market" works- no one can possibly do anything about that. Government in kahoots with repulsive bankers to bilk the American people of their last dime? Well, the bankers are just doing what banks do, make money, and in America we are not envious of wealth, we admire and respect the wealthy, they are the definition of "good people" otherwise how could they have possibly gotten rich. Government turned into the worst mafia of them all conducting the most successful protection racket in the history of mankind? That's great, you wouldn't want someone to get on a plane with a deodorant bottle.
What are the establishment schmucks so afraid off? The American people aren't going to take it to the street and protest. The US tentacle of the israeli ministry of propaganda managed to label protesters as a bunch of dirty, lazy bums who instead of looking for a job are out there vandalizing parks.
Since war is already decided, at least spare us the pathetic spielbergian melodrama.
sherban
April 8th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Of course ,an other peace prize Nobel laureate,the President Obama,will not join such declaration,will be a sign of schizophrenia.
Duglarri
April 8th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
A mere decade after a war based entirely on lies- this one goes much, much further. The grounds for war, even if false, were at least based on a principle of self-defence. In that case, a false claim that Iraq was actually preparing to attack the US was made- however ludicrous it was.
In this case, there's no claim that Iran is about to attack the US- not even a claim that they have a nuclear weapons program. Instead, the claim is that they might at some undetermined point in the future be a threat not to the United States, but to Israel.
There's not even the fig leaf of preemptive war here. The key thing here is that there's no longer even a token attempt to claim self-defence, and no mention whatsoever of referring the matter to the United Nations for a chapter 7 resolution.
The United States has stepped completely outside the international system in this, and it will inevitably provoke the rest of the world to act in self-defence on their part. The US is now a rogue state, armed with nuclear weapons- and ruled by Israel.
montaigne
April 9th, 2012 at 12:06 am
"This is what comes of serving as the world’s self-appointed policeman: the necessity of having to answer every 911 call, no matter how dubious or even outright false it turns out to be."
Well seen. Historically is this self-imposed slavery a consequence of establishing an imperialist type of society. Since it has no legitimacy – and only follows even its own constitution when those higher political "ideals" are served – lies, obfuscations, manipulations, becomes standard tools for the government.
A society should only be seen as a necessary means to achieving some human freedom in regard to nature. It MUST be based on some sort of mutual TRUST or consensus. Thus all the lying strengthen (as a morally just PUNISHMENT on the home society of the imperialists) its illegitimacy at the very same time.
Illegitimacy – erosion of trust and confidence in society, and its social meaning – has moved slowly form East to West through 2 milleniums. Never peaceful, always accompanied by resistance and home population disillusion of life – also one's own. The big ceremonies at home after the wars are not just a sign of victory, but an attempt to gain a fake population support, NECESSARY from the very same undermining of the FREE consensus by imperialist policy.
The pattern of imperialistic illegitimacy, and its historically eventual defeat is repeated: The sophistry of Greece has its parallel in modern spin techniques. Stoicism – protection against society's madness for a population without belief into it – used by roman citizens are parallelled by tosays devotion to own pleasures and meaningless entertainment., combined with complete disinterest in social issues like accountabilility, reasons for or outcome of wars. Journalists are thus serving the interests of their customers too!
Of course this will also end up by a break down of a worthless and meaningless society. The sooner, the better for all people on earth, who deserve at least some meaning of life while it lasts.
Strange that Americans cling so much to becoming older – perhaps it is their meager spiritual existence that makes them hope a little will come by give a longer life.
JSD
April 9th, 2012 at 12:16 am
Whenever Im reminded Obama has a nobel peace prize I can't help but chuckle a little. What a depressing column. America as a country of liberty is totally finished. Think about it, we have been at war since September 2001. It is now 2012, before long we will have a generation of near adults who will have no memory of a time we weren't at war. If or when we occupy Iran we will be there longer then Iraq, of that I have no doubt. I think that's part of the whole idea on the part of our puppet masters, get Americans to the point where peace is almost an alien concept then they take everything from us under the guise of "security".
james
April 9th, 2012 at 12:28 am
Very well written piece Justin, but it is not as hopeless as it might seem to be. I am absolutely certain there are very good patriotic Americans in all walks of life that can affect the outcome crunch time approaching. In such an atmosphere, the military is not 100% at the control of the civilian administration and I am betting on some good Americans to through some real wrenches in the war party's machine. This can also come from the security apparatus as well.
Maybe I am dreaming but I can only hope.
El Tonno
April 9th, 2012 at 1:48 am
The notion that "Obama is not his own man" has to be rejected.
Obama is responsible for what he does.
I can understand that, having been a player in political spectacles for a good part of his life, spectacle is ingrained in his behaviour. Nevertheless, responsibilities have to be taken at some point.
Johnny in Wi.
April 9th, 2012 at 3:21 am
I think you are right. I just read a report that Ron Paul leads Obama in donations from the military by 350,000 to 172,000. Romney has about 13,000. The soldiers and security services are sick of whats going on. The NIE reports of 2007 and 2011 were, in my opinion, a revolt by all the combined security services who were sick of the politicians cheery picking ther reports to lie us into war. Preventive war is supposed to be a war crime that got a lot of German military people hung after WW2. The military people are supposed to refuse to follow such illegal orders.
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Cold Wind
April 9th, 2012 at 4:44 am
With friends like Israel, who needs enemies? What a tragedy that Israel is not percieved as the true enemy it is.
richard vajs
April 9th, 2012 at 5:19 am
The truly perverse thing about Netanyahou and his right-wing buddies in Israel, may they be destroyed themselves. is that they want Iran destroyed not because it is a threat, but because they just want Iran destroyed. Just like they wanted Iraq destroyed, and Egypt destroyed, and Syria destroyed, etc. Not for a removal of threats but just to have anything that is Arab or Muslim and also successful be destroyed. These perverse bastards want their neighbors starving and/or killing each other. Somehow this brings them pleasure. These are the creeps that run our country's Mid East policies.
JSD
April 9th, 2012 at 5:22 am
The fact that we hung so many Germans for starting a preventive war is not totally true. Britain and France declared war on Germany for invading Poland, even though Russia also invaded Poland as well as Finland but the western allies had no problem with that. They were hypocrites then just like now. At the end of the war Poland was no more free then at the start. I think we hung so many Germans because the western allies fought the war with only slightly less barbarism then the the Germans and Russian's and we needed to invent an enemy who justified said barbarism. Hence we lied about human skin lampshades, soap from Jewish fat, and bought all the propaganda the Russians fed us as well.
Now we use the Nazi's to justify our own preventive war's, the Serbs are the new Nazi's, Saddam is the next Hitler, Ahmadinejad is the next Hitler, he even doubts the Spielbergian version of the holocaust, etc. The only real useful comparison with our modern misadventures and WW2 is the people advocating for them are liars and hypocrites and Americas vindictive hubris knows no bounds. Like putting Serbs on trial for war crimes while giving Kosovo away to war criminals, hanging Saddam when we invaded his country based on B.S, same spirit as the Nurenberg justice from 45.
tomofsnj
April 9th, 2012 at 5:26 am
No the Isralies will make a funny film with brad and 7 jewish heroes who took on the evil people of the world and won WWIII just like they did about how they won WWII. I found it amazing that they produced a story of the 7 scalping the terrible Germans and destroying the German war machine. Of course in the real world General George Patton lost 59,500 men in the real war from his landing in Southern France and his move to the german border. It is amazing that other than sneak attacks and stabbing in the back there really is not a lot of real military history dealing with our special friends. They are more film makers than warriors. The sad fact is most of the success is porn films.
Erico Martins
April 9th, 2012 at 6:02 am
correction: for the USA the Iranians are considered guilty even if they prove they are innocent.
JSD
April 9th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Sorry, I don't mean to be chain posting here. Just wanted to say that one thing people should keep in mind is the sheer amount of cognitive dissonance in the mid level leadership of the military. It is plain as day that the top brass and civilian leadership are criminals, yet the mid level officer and NCO corps would never go as far as acknowledging that because it would mean admitting they work for criminals. But they do see the idiocy of our current policies and wars abroad, hence the huge support for Ron Paul, but the chances of them disobeying orders in mass is nill.
As for the "grunts" one must realise they are overwhelmingly 18 and 19 year old kids that honestly feel they are patriots and serving their country, and with the amount of propaganda fed to the public today it's no wonder that people that young and with little life experience can be so easily mislead. Having been one them myself and spent countless hours amongst them I can promise you that you would be hard pressed to find one that even understands concepts like "imperialism" or "nation building" much less believes in them. They just are to young and immature to understand what they are doing is a disservice to their nation. Most of them just end up going through their deployments trying to stay alive and end up disillusioned and getting out when their enlistment's are up.
John V. Walsh
April 9th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Generally a great column.
BUT Justin writes: "In mortal fear Obama might actually act on his campaign promises – half of them unspoken and largely imaginary – the War Party went on the offensive….."
In this sentence, as in some of the comments, there is the hint of a sentiment that maybe, oh maybe, just maybe, Obama was in some small measure a peace candidate. The apotheosis of this view is the cry of Katrina vanden Hueval and other sellouts among the "progressives" who claim to be antiwar that Obama will live up to his (non-existent) promises in his second term.
This is all very disturbing because it just drives people back to voting Obama again. No more wishful thinking – please.
"Our outlook must be as radical as reality itself."
Yonatan
April 9th, 2012 at 6:26 am
The Sun: "Brits 45 Mins from Doom" – headline leading up to the war against Iraq.
The Sun is run by Murdoch, a staunch supporter of Israel.
@mrraven
April 9th, 2012 at 6:28 am
If that's our hope then you better have your off the grid bug out shelter ready. I do!
Yonatan
April 9th, 2012 at 6:29 am
"Iran should make it publicly known that, if attacked, it will target reactor building #4 at Fukushima"
No it shouldn't, even if it had the capability to do so. It is the responsibility of American citizens to reign in their rampaging war-mongering government.
Kolya_Krassotkin
April 9th, 2012 at 6:38 am
They always say that we should have stopped the Nazis as soon as Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and we could have thereby prevented WWII. To expand the analogy, we should have dealt with the neocons and the likudniki when they got us and our friends enmeshed in optional and offensive wars in Iraq and Aghanistan, then maybe we wouldn't now be marching toward a war with Iran.
JSD
April 9th, 2012 at 7:02 am
While I think you and I agree on the necon's and Israel shrills I don't see WW2 as being anything other then a war of choice for the U.S. FDR did everything in his power to provoke the pearl harbor attack. And I personally think we should have kept our noses out of Europe and let the Soviets and Nazi's fight till exhaustion. I understand the view of getting involved as soon as Hitler starting his expansionism, but the Soviets were doing the exact the same thing. If we had stopped Hitler it simply would have been to Stalins advantage and Eastern Europe still would have likely been gobbled up by him. Would we then need to go stop him to? Simply put, we shouldn't ever have gotten into the business of policing the world.
PEACE EVER AFTER
April 9th, 2012 at 7:13 am
This is one time that a miltary take over of the US might save us and the world. However, that is wishfull thinking. One thing is clear "The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion" was not a forgery.
richard vajs
April 9th, 2012 at 8:42 am
The reason, I believe, that the Zionists desire to destroy everything that is Muslim/Arab and successful is two-fold. The first part is from the dark places in their hearts where envy and hatred live wherein they cannot tolerate anything good happening to their self-declared enemies, and the second part is the more practical part – they cannot allow the Palestinians any hope at all. If anyone, e.g. Saddam or Ahmadinejad champions the Palestinians, well then, they themselves must also be destroyed. In the Zionist mind, the Palestinians are in the way – they must be made to disappear. They must be made hopeless, and to feel friendless and willing to leave on their own or willing to just lay down and die.
It must never occurr to the Zionist, that this may be a way to get all of Palestine, but in the process, they will build a country in which no decent human being would want to belong to.
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Nelson_2008
April 9th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Yes it should; and while I agree that "American citizens" are largely to blame, let's face it, the responsibility goes way beyond "American citizens".
From Russia stringing Iran along on the S300 system – and then failing to deliver the system at the last minute, after it was too late to consider alternatives – to China basically helping to finance U.S./NATO aggression, to all the corrupt "coalitions of the willing" and "Friends of Syria" and various other sundry corrupt geopolitical associations and assorted political prostitutes without whose complicity the whole plan would not be workable.
If the U.S./NATO butchers plan on attacking Iran's nuclear installations, then everybody's nuclear installations are fair game, so let's make sure everybody gets their fair share of radiopoison.
Agvo
April 9th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Now that the election season is in full swing, the Israelis can wreak havoc in their neighborhood without so much as a whimper from the candidates. These spineless candidates will compete to show who is the most loyal to Israel. Besides egging the US on to attack Iran, they will accelerate the building of settlements on stolen Palestinian land, and maybe for good measure they will start a war against Gaza and/or Lebanon to show the candidates who's boss.
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April 9th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
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Sam
April 9th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
A war with Iran is out of question, despite the posturing.
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April 9th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
[...] On a recent trip to Washington, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid down the law: America must threaten the Iranians with war if Tehran insists on pursuing its nuclear energy program. We are supposed to take seriously Netanyahu’s threats to strike Iran himself, in spite of the fact that Israel has neither the means nor the political resolve to do so. However, this is not the way Israel operates: their preferred method is to let Uncle Sam do their dirty work, as in Iraq, while they save their resources for aggression closer to home. The Israel-is-about-to-attack-Iran meme gives the Americans cover to take action in the name of preventing a supposedly greater catastrophe. With Israel playing the part of the unhinged pit-bull, Obama’s assigned role is that of the statesman, who is going to give the Iranians one “last chance,” as he put it. http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/04/08/us-to-iran-surrender-dorothy/ [...]
Generalissimo X
April 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
i'm in total agreement but actually all iran needs to do (and i believe they do in fact have the capability) is to hit the nuke plant at dimona with several large cruise missles and it'd be fukushima all over again, maybe worse. i think that's one of the main factors preventing them from attacking at this point.
reggie
April 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Just to be sure. There will be war with Iran. They already sanctioned their central bank, they already prevent them for being paid for their oil sales. Swift? The Iran threat reduction act cuts off all diplomacy with iran. War with Iran is inevitable.
Thank god israel will be long gone when this war ends.
Steve
April 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Not to take any responsibility away from Obama, the Israeli lobby or other people "in power", but in the end it is the American People who are swallowing the propaganda without, it seems, any critical thinking whatsoever. Again. The lack of critical voices in the US baffles me to be honest. Apparently it's enough to wave a flag and describe the "enemy" as horrible madmen to get the American public to buy into any war, anywhere, at any time. I think that is the hallmark of a militaristic culture and that, I think, is the real problem.
Duglarri
April 9th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Military not 100% in charge of the civilians- I think we have to hope that it's the other way around. That the civilians are not 100% in charge of the military.
See, military types don't like losing wars. Go into Afghanistan? Sure, they're basically shepherds; we can shoot them without much risk. Invade Iraq? Sure, they're basically unarmed. They'll provide the mother of all targeting opportunities, as the saying went.
On the other hand, attack Iran? Um… let's see; un-degraded air defences of unknown technical level. Tactical history of surprising invaders and attackers. Unknown number of possibly unstoppable antiship missiles. Armed organized manpower in the range of one million. Home field advantage.
It's a different prospect entirely. Afghanistan and Iraq, the uniforms could say, yes, we can do this. For Iran, not so much. The advice could only be, "we can do a lot of damage but we can't guarantee a win like those other two."
That's why we can hope- we have to hope- that the uniformed military is going to block this. That they might just mutiny. They don't want to get killed for nothing. And if this war is called "on", they just might.
Duglarri
April 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Does anybody know what the other side of this threat is? If the Iranians did close Fordo, and hand over their 20%, all of it- would the US end sanctions? Is there any carrot or is it just all stick?
Or is the deal simply this: hand it all over, and we won't bomb you- but we'll continue the sanctions until every one of you starves to death.
Seems fair.
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April 9th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
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patriothere
April 9th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
that is exactly what the US negotiators are proposing. Exactly that!
patriothere
April 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I think in the end Obama has a greater chance of going to war with syria and allowing that war to escalate in a regional war with iran. Syria is another way for the US to go to war with Iran. That's pretty clear. Also, Obama will have to start war with iran in september or october. You don't want to start the war too early because then the Republicans can whine and bitch about how badly obama is handling the war and how they would handle it better.
Jacob Steelman
April 9th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
This is all about keeping the price of oil up over USD 100. It is estimated the war premium (including the threat of war premium) included in the price of oil is approximately USD 20. Obama cannot afford to have a war – the majority of Americans are against it and the price of gasoline would soar on the commencement of a war with Iran. We know the elites do not want prices of anything to go down including the price of oil hence the saber rattling but they do not want a huge spike up since it will deprive them of the election of Obama, the puppet of the Middle Eastern oil cartel.
JSD
April 10th, 2012 at 3:18 am
Your right that Iran has a more formidable military than Iraq, and the Afghans never had one to begin with. But in a conventional war the American military would still win. The top generals and civilian leadership simply wouldn't care about taking a few thousand more KIA and wounded cannon fodder, they wouldn't put their carers on the line by saying no to the civilian leadership. Not a chance. The only other army's on earth that I think would stalemate our own would be Russia or China. In any case what I think Iran would do, it's the smartest thing and what I would do is not even resist the initial invasion.
Have their troops hold on to their guns and simply melt into the population. Fight us guerilla style, it's worked for both the Afghans and Iraqis and will work even better in Iran which is a bigger more populace country. Better then wasting their best men in a futile attempt to stop the massive fire power and numbers we will bring in an initial invasion.
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Kolya_Krassotkin
April 10th, 2012 at 6:01 am
In that case then, if he's convicted of his latest shenanigans (though I'm not holding my breath), the Brits might let him serve out his time in an Israeli prison.
Kolya_Krassotkin
April 10th, 2012 at 6:03 am
The saddest part of all of this is that the Iranians have been seeking a rapprochment with the United States for years. I had stopped believeing in evil, but watching the machinations of the sociopaths in the US and Israel has convinced me that it must be real.
musings
April 10th, 2012 at 8:58 am
No offense but there are three words: rein, reign, and rain. I think they are called "homonyms". Almost everyone picks rein for reign and vice versa. We should apply the rein to our reigning powers and rain on their parade.
dink
April 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Establishment Washington DC are an economic disaster: Obama, McCain, Lieberman. Iran sanctions raise gas prices. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2012/…
You pay a quarter for every gallon of gas to Israel's Netanyahu because its his policies these politicos bow down to. Obama has beat Jimmy Carter for highest rise in Gas Prices http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-2012041011…
Richard
April 10th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Well, they might go outside and bunch up a litttle bit and yell, but they won't stand up to any threat of force. After all, they have a right to think and say what they want – and that's where it ends.
The american people don't have any memory of what it is like to have a pair of gonads. It is easy to conclude that they will get what they deserve for their cowardice and shameful lack of integrity (as a people).
Look at us, bantering away about the right, the wrong, the injustice of it all. And none of us is going to actually do anything about it.
I call.
Robt
April 10th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
As was demonstrated in Russia in 1990, one day the military was taking orders, the next day they ignored them. It can happen that fast.
Generalissimo X
April 10th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
yeh and the ones we didn't hang we brought over in operation paperclip.
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April 18th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
[...] useful: Justin Raimondo, “US to Iran: Surrender Dorothy!” Antiwar.com [April 9, 2012] http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/04/08/us-to-iran-surrender-dorothy/; and Robert Naiman, “A Contrarian Optimist View of the Upcoming Iran Nuclear [...]