Looking at the ’Big Picture’
Libertarian realism: a theory of foreign relations
Our day-to-day concerns here at Antiwar.com, and the anti-interventionist movement more broadly, are mainly centered on debunking and exposing the War Party’s machinations, as they occur, whatever they might be. It is, in short, a job for journalists. There are, however, other tasks which, while less immediately pressing, are in the long run more important. One involves developing the realm of theory, i.e. an overview of international relations that gives us the tools to analyze not only what is happening but why it is happening. In short, we need to develop a "big picture" analysis of American foreign policy in order to understand how and why we became a global empire.
According to my theory of the policymaking process, which might be called "libertarian realism," how decision-makers react to events beyond our borders is decisively shaped by domestic political considerations. It is, in short, a subjectivist view, one that attributes external actions – wars, trade relations, and a nation’s posturing on the world stage – to an internal dynamic. This is directly opposed to the prevailing objectivist view, which identifies certain objective "forces" as determinative factors in the making of human history – a view that, in the end, turns into a kind of mysticism.
The old-fashioned Marxists believed in the iron laws of History, which predetermined human destiny – a worldview steeped in Christian eschatology, in spite of the official atheism of communist ideologues, as Murray N. Rothbard pointed out at length. The communist theory of foreign relations followed from the Marxist axiom that the world proletariat, embodying the spirit of History, was destined to rule the earth.
This allowed the Kremlin to pursue a relatively passive foreign policy after World War II. Handed Eastern Europe by the victorious Allies at Tehran and Yalta, the ruling Stalinist elite could rid themselves of their Trotskyist rivals – who called for exporting the Revolution abroad – and sit back and wait for the World Revolution to take its supposedly inevitable course. This policy ended up ditching "internationalism" in favor of reversion to the historically cautious foreign policy of the Czars, under the guise of building "socialism in one country."
Fascist and National Socialist intellectuals conjured visions of the State as a semi-mystical body and invoked mythic themes of "national destiny" to justify their expansionist program. Taking the opposite tack from their Marxist competitors, the right-wing collectivists evoked a mythical past, rather than an improbable future, which they promised to restore. Mussolini thought he could recreate the old Roman Empire by invading Abyssinia, Albania, and Libya: Hitler and his followers saw the Fuehrer as the modern day incarnation of Charlemagne.
Both right and left-wing narratives, although different in important ways, were united in their disdain for methodological individualism: human behavior, in their view, could only be understood as one would explain the movements of a school of fish.
These European ideologies, alien to America, never took root across the Atlantic, although they had their sympathizers. Here a different form of State-worship arose, one that was based in the religious revival that swept nineteenth century America: a post-millenial pietist version of Christianity which sought a "heaven on earth," and, in its secularized form, took on the ideological coloration of "progressivism." Domestically, this led to the rise of the welfare state and the growth of government power in every aspect of American life: in foreign affairs, it meant the world-saving messianism of Wilsonian internationalism, in which America’s mystic destiny was to "make the world safe for democracy." That this was just window-dressing for the corporate and political interests that directly benefited from World War I is an argument that both the Marxists and the libertarians would make.
Earlier on, Teddy Roosevelt’s brand of interventionism roughly approximated one of Walter Russell Mead’s useful categories: the "Hamiltonians," whose version of the "national interest" is identical with certain corporate interests. It was Teddy, the "trust-busting" progressive and Morgan tool, who set us on the road to empire in Cuba and the Philippines: his bombastic nationalism gloried in war and the sacrifice of the individual to the State. In response to pressure from domestic corporate lobbyists and the nascent military-industrial complex, formerly "isolationist" America made its entry onto the world stage as a frankly imperial power.
More recently, the neoconservatives have merged Teddy’s bombast and Wilson’s hubris to create a monstrous hybrid that combines all the worst impulses in American intellectual life: in foreign affairs, this amounts to a messianic militarism that openly proclaims "global hegemony" as the proper goal of American foreign policy. I would argue that this reflects the origins of neoconservatism on the far left and its evolution into a kind of Trotskyism turned inside out, with George W. Bush’s wars fought in the name of a "global democratic revolution" displacing, in their hearts, the old Leninist dream of an international communist revolution.
In reaction to this trend we have seen the rise of the "realists," who chafe at the neocons’ grandiose pretensions and instead assert that the US ought to pursue a more modest policy, based on a narrow interpretation of the "national interest." It’s an admirable effort, but it carries within itself a fatal flaw.
The idea that nations have some sort of collective "national interest," or even a "manifest destiny," is not realistic in any coherent sense. There is no "national interest," because only individuals have real interests: the "national interest" is a floating abstraction, a ghost. American foreign policy is made by people: specific individuals who act in what they regard as their own interests. These individuals – our rulers – may differ greatly in terms of ideology, and personality, and yet they all have one motive in common, and that is the continuation and extension of their own power.
In analyzing the ebb and flow of America’s relations with the world, libertarian realists take this guiding principle as their starting point – yet it is only the beginning of our analytical efforts. What must follow is an empirical examination of the relevant facts and relationships, and, most of all, a focus on individuals and their interests – the key decision-makers whose beliefs, ambitions, delusions, and idiosyncrasies can set us on a course for good or evil.
What good is all this theory, anyhow? What do we need it for? We need it to understand the world – and to predict the future. Of course, no one has a crystal ball, or any mystical power to unlock the secrets of the future. Yet, given some basic axioms – the main one being that politicians are solely concerned with keeping and expanding their own power – we can establish the parameters of the probable, and – in a necessarily limited sense – chart the course of things to come.
Keeping all this in mind, one can say with some confidence that the political stars are perfectly aligned for war in the Middle East – specifically against Iran. Although no one can know for certain when the first blow will be struck, the coinciding interests of our political elites in both parties, and the strenuous efforts of certain foreign lobbyists and their American fifth column, are rapidly propelling us into a conflict of global dimensions.
As disastrous and destructive as such a war would be for ordinary citizens, such a course would benefit the ruling elite in this country in innumerable ways. The "unity" our political leaders and their court intellectuals find so sadly lacking in their subjects would return with the first bombing raids, as both parties join hands and march down the road to war. What an inspiring sight it will be, as the wartime "emergency" breaks Washington’s infamous "gridlock" and brings about a sudden Grand Compromise consisting of higher taxes and draconian cuts in "social services" – with no concomitant cuts in the military, naturally.
The very great danger this poses cannot be overemphasized. What the markets are telling us is that the oil shock following the outbreak of hostilities could spark a worldwide economic implosion – especially if it occurs in conjunction with the collapse of the Eurozone and a subsequent wave of "too big to fail" corporate casualties extending to our side of the Atlantic. Yet if one believes this economic apocalypse would have come in any event, then even if war would bring it on sooner it would also give our rulers a new weapon, a new means to not only hang on to power but also to greatly expand it.
The idea that the world economy is being deliberately sabotaged invites the question: by whom? One could easily draw up a long list of individuals, as well as political and corporate entities, who would benefit greatly from such a catastrophe. In my own shorthand, I refer to the "War Party," but in establishing this broad category we are only at the beginning of our task of determining who are the warmongers among us.
Our task here at Antiwar.com is two-fold: to show how we are being lied into war, and by whom. Only by studying – and exposing – the techniques, components, and motives of the War Party can we hope to halt the rush to World War III. That’s why Antiwar.com is so important: it is a vital part of an educational campaign to effectively debunk the increasingly hysterical war propaganda emanating from the "mainstream" media – and unmask the war-makers.
While this is really a subject for another column, by way of warning I have to say it isn’t just the same old neoconservative gang of intellectual hoodlums and dubious "scholars" who are trying to pull this one off. As the war cries get louder, you’ll see the "liberal" hawks take wing once again, flying in perfect formation with their neoconservative cousins, the whole flock cawing and shrieking like vultures over a battlefield.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- A Note to My Readers – June 16th, 2013
- Datagate and the Death of American Liberalism – June 13th, 2013
- Smear Brigade Goes After Snowden – June 11th, 2013
- Edward Snowden, American Hero – June 9th, 2013
- Police-State ‘Progressivism’ – June 6th, 2013





sherban
November 11th, 2011 at 2:43 am
An admirable article by its intention to explain the fundamentals of the War Party.Noting that Ted Roosvelt put the road of empire on basis of national interests which were (and are)those of concerns,Raimondo gave Lenin's explication from "Imperialism the last stage of capitalism".I think that this kind of explanation is valuable but in US case and for the "free world"also is something more which contributes to their aggressiveness ,is the feel of high superiority which originated in their better material conditions of live.However higher material level of live don't bring a higher moral level.However the elites from the "free world"and by propaganda all the people in these countries believe that their standard of morality allows them to deride on others and ,more,to call them evils.Even many who oppose military intervention in other countries not defend the right of others to chose other values.I never read an article which presented Gaddafi in other light that that of the official trend until Libya was attacked by NATO.Only then appeared some srticles who described him and his facts totally different.The same about many leaders:Castro,Chavez,Arafat.Now Ahmadinejad concentrate all the evil which could be imagined.Gideon Levy ,the progressive in the most his articles,began his article "What we have to learn from Iran"with"undoubtly Iran is an evil country".In such atmosphere is an easy goal to make a jump to war to educate others how have to live (and what to do with their oil).
liberal
November 11th, 2011 at 5:59 am
"According to my theory of the policymaking process, which might be called "libertarian realism," how decision-makers react to events beyond our borders is decisively shaped by domestic political considerations."
That doesn't really belong to any doctrine. Rather, the claim that domestic considerations (in any nation) have a large influence on foreign policy is simply an empirical fact.
John V. Walsh
November 11th, 2011 at 6:24 am
There is something far deeper in imperialism. China, whatever one may think of it's present government, has no history of goin abroad in search of enemies, colonies or slaves – even when it had a much greater capacity to do so at the time of Columbus. Just before Columbus China sent out vast fleets dwarfing anything the Europeans could muster. They traded but did not conquer. So this civilization did not and does not, so far as I can see, have a tradition of overseas expansion or bellicosity. Even now China does not have a single overseas base. In fact from the Warring States Period to the great civill war that bled to Liberation in 1949, Chinese have a greater proclivity for fighting Chinese rather than others. Western Europe, and Anglo-Saxon Western Europe (including the U.S.) in particular, have been the most vicious and ruthless practitioners of Empire in the modern age. For the Anglo-Saxons it goes all the way back to the conquest of Ireland. At the same time the Anglo-Saxons had a democratic tradition developing at home and so they were always able to sell their imperial adventures as civilizing ones- although the truth was that there Empire was anything but civilized.
These are not the only factors that lead to Empire but they must be considered in this era of "humanitarian" imperialism. Additionally to assume that China, in particular, "must" also be imperialist is a subtle form of Western arrogance, even racism. The logic is that the U.S. Is imperialist, but we are the best. Therefore every other great power must be imperialist. This is also the belief of present day "Leninists" who see China with a huge amount of Capital which must be exported. Hence Empire. This view is also very Eurocentric believing that all civilizations take the same path, with Europe going first.
The tragedy of this view is that as China keeps raising the cry of "peaceful rise," "peaceful development" and "win-win" arrangements in international relations, the antiwar movement in the West turns a deaf ear. Why? They cannot be better than us. In this way the antiwar movement in the West may be turning it's back on a powerful ally. Hillary and Obomba and the rest of the ruling class are having none of this, preparing instead to "contain" or even make war on China. Are we in the peace movement making the same mistake? And what do we have to lose by taking China at its word, withdrawing to our shores and trading and interacting peacefully?
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Greg
November 11th, 2011 at 6:56 am
It may be a fact, but it's not an empirical one. Justin is attempting to create a theory in the realm of the social sciences. In this realm, empiricism is nearly impossible due to the complexity of the system. It is impossible to do any real scientific experiments in such a realm, and so one would hope Justin does not go down the empirical road, which it doesn't sound like he is. All you can ever show empirically in such a realm is correlation, not causation. And the correlation-causation confusion is possibly the most pervasive and damaging fallacy that human beings are susceptible to.
Dahoit
November 11th, 2011 at 7:11 am
Nice post,but our problems today are that our informational and media are controlled by dual citizens,unlike our past when it was controlled by single citizens with at least a smidgin of patriotism.
And I believe the Russians took Eastern Europe(it wasn't ours to hand,Yalta aside)),as we were pretty much powerless to deter an army of 20? million well armed and tough troops unless we wanted to fight them for another 50 years,hotly instead of cold.And yeah,I just don't see Russian and Chinese troops all over the planet as they don't seem to need violence and war as a way of life,like we seem to have been coerced by the brainwashers into.
stevieb
November 11th, 2011 at 7:15 am
I categorically disagree. Empiricism is possible with the right standards of academic discourse – particularly in this case. The system is complex – but that doesn't put it beyond emperical study…
Paul H
November 11th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Great observation John. What is in their national character that drives this behaviour? A historic inward, paternalistic culture that is tougher on its own children and presents a different respectful face to the rest of the world? Perhaps they still see a division within their own society and until that division is solidified they cannot move towards expanding their influence through conquering.
Paul H
November 11th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Nations tend towards Empire once infected/co-opted by the internationalists.
Centralization of authority leads to dissolution. The continuous rise and fall of ancient Egypt over its grand 3000 year run is instructive. I imagine the US will collapse and regroup over the course of its history.
Imperialists take power by whatever means necessary. Whether that means paying lip service to democracy, communism, fascism, socialism, tea partyism and so on they easily morph into these personas with the ultimate goal to take power. Domestic policy will maintain the facade that swept them to power but the overall the power elite will demonstrate its true intent in how it creates and reacts to world events.
Chris Moore
November 11th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Raimondo: "Although no one can know for certain when the first blow will be struck, the coinciding interests of our political elites in both parties, and the strenuous efforts of certain foreign lobbyists and their American fifth column, are rapidly propelling us into a conflict of global dimensions…
"it isn’t just the same old neoconservative gang of intellectual hoodlums and dubious "scholars" who are trying to pull this one off. As the war cries get louder, you’ll see the "liberal" hawks take wing once again, flying in perfect formation with their neoconservative cousins…"
I have my own theary of the historical and ideological force driving all of this, just as it has driven or been the antagonising factor in so many other wars.
It's called Judeofascism.
musings
November 11th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Even those who are not inclined to see Apocalypse in the religious sense, can extrapolate trends. Whether or not those trends will be cut short by unforeseen events like earthquakes, hurricanes and plagues, they seem on course right now to shut down the Persian Gulf.
There is one factor which must be reckoned with, even as tar sands, pipelines, fracking and other internal attempts at energy production come to the fore: it is the belief that oil has reached Hubbert's Peak in the Mideast, or at least in Saudi Arabia. As one may recall, if one cares to, the issue that led Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait, setting off Iraq 1 (with SCUDS being launched at Israel) and all the sanctions and flyovers which eventually culminated in Iraq 2 and the hanging of Saddam, was whip-stocking into Iraq's oilfields by Kuwait (cf. Chinatown II).
So factor in the Petroleum Age, and its needs. Throw in "Plastics!" and the atom bomb with its swords-into-plowshares nuclear plants (a back-up for oil) – and consider the manufactured casus belli for Iran – their building nuclear plants in an oil-"rich" country and voila!
You don't have to go back to the Louisiana Purchase to see that individual whims (Napoleon's to sell out to the new country) result in new trajectories, which are unpredictable. History is not written until it has already happened. But as Victor Hugo opined, "Coming events cast their shadows" and individuals who do not want to be taken by vultures, may react to their projections onto the ground below.
andy
November 11th, 2011 at 9:30 am
I think the problem is that the federal government in Washington grew too powerful, beginning with the civil war. Look at Lincoln's many abuses of power. Every war made it more powerful. Look at Wilson's abuses in WW1. I see Washington's wars as a drive for power. It is now on auto-pilot.
musings
November 11th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Have you ever projected what might have happened had the government in Washington NOT become so powerful up to and after the Civil War? Remember, the industrialization of the North preceded this, and industrialists need capital to expand. They have also relied on contracts with the federal government. I cannot see GM getting so big, either, without a federal highway system (allegedly built for "defense" as in National Defense Highways Act or some such thing).
But let's say there had been a draw in the Civil War, and that the South was able to regroup. They were interested in their commercial zone, the Caribbean. The cotton people had a relationship with Mexico, and the plotters of Lincoln's kidnapping (which became an assassination), were involved with the deposed imperial heir to Mexico, who had been living as we might recognize Iranian exiles to live – in hopes of going back and regaining the throne, willing to court supporters among the Southerners in those days. Ever wondered what exiled Iranians might be up to today? Might it be the same thing, only with a different crowd? Anyway, John Wilkes Booth was a darling of the imperial exiles' set. Just a thought of alternative history: a weak central government in Washington would not necessarily have meant all the nations in the region would also have a weak central government. Some might rise to loom over the North, with HQ in New Orleans or Natchez, and close relations with an ally in imperial Mexico. The dreams of decentralized government might not come true in the absence of Washington DC as we know it since the Civil War.
Watson
November 11th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Going back to the days of the Shah in Iran, the US was pestering Iran to build nuclear power plants since 'the oil wasn't going to last forever.' Nowadays, while the oil is still not going to last forever, the US is up in arms over Iran's (recommended by the US) peaceful use of nuclear power: the power plants and the reactors to manufacture fuel for those plants.
Generalissimo X
November 11th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
great stuff john.
Strider55
November 11th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Regarding the post-WW2 Soviets: I don't think they had much choice about pursuing "a relatively passive foreign policy". Between the ~20 million dead in the war and a similar body count in Stalin's prewar tyranny, the country needed a period of recovery. That didn't stop them from clandestinely harming the West when it could. The USSR could have vetoed the UN entering the Korean War; instead, they stood to one side, knowing the US and Britain would squander more blood and treasure in the war, thereby further weakening themselves.
musings
November 11th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
How has anything I have said contradicted that?
Watson
November 11th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Who said anything about contradicting you? It was just an addition to the subject matter; no need to get all defensive over nothing.
San Fernando Curt
November 11th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Great column with one quibble: How can we have a nation without some national interest? Just because vast crimes have been committed in its name doesn't mean America as nation is invalid as determinant and delimiter of our civil collective; at very least, it's a convenient one. Otherwise, how we are to live within its borders? Where are those borders? And if we're merely a crowd of individuals, why have borders at all? Pull down the fences and let anyone and everyone come in. Here's my problem: I'm not a globalist. For those who want all law and social order determined by a demented, senile fairy tale in the sky, I prefer a Constitution to protect me from their "sacred" duties. …And, ideally, an ocean, as well.
Bianca
November 11th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
This is oversimplification of Marx, as his definitions are not that dumb as some like to portray it. Marx understood the difference between work, creativity, innovation and the drive to produce — and the system that does not value productive creativity. When public contracting becomes a vehicle for , corrupt profit making, and central banking in private hands overwhelms the public institutions — the unproductive rules over productive.
I am confused about your concept of an "individual". In response to pack-like neocon push to bend reality to their aims, are we to just to wave our helpless "individual" white flags? Raymondo, your country is your home. Just like in a home, you cannot have personal greed to set separate goals undemining the family. We need prudent guardinaship of our commons. When we give away our public money for wars or bailouts, or we lease lands, we are disposing with our COMMON CAPITAL, not some individual wishes and wants. If we cannot do that — we do not deserve to have a country.
musings
November 11th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
The nothing was a negative check, which I thought was yours to my arguments, which seemed odd. I nevertheless thumbed you up for your own comment.
montaigne
November 12th, 2011 at 1:18 am
I agree with Justin, I think. Society is a necessary evil. It makes for the division of labour which gives the possibility of a richer life in every aspect (material and spiritual). But you should not reverse the reasoning, that you need foremost to support the good society, even with evil means like zero tolerance against only the real living persons in contrast to corporate persons (juridical "persons") and public officials.
With that "balance" of powers, the results are rather easily foreseen, and playing out before our very eyes.
People accept quite without any sort of reflection, that the peresident and his deeds are above human reason and responsibility. Hardly anyone attacks the illegal drone warfare soon to be found all over earth. Then exported, and then used as excuse for new wars.
There is a sort of inner logic of this aspect of moderne society. In fact Tolstoy saw it a hundred years ago, quite clearly. That the state is a CREATOR also of evils.
It is not enough to judge some human endeavour from the stated intentions. You are fully responsible for your actions. Which means also the unintended consequences. It is a duty to observe those too, and react to them.
Since especially WW2, the end of a story is the full surrender of the evil opponents. So you serach for STATED purposes, or make the up when it comes to others, and PROVE the rightness of your own point of view by eliminating the evil ones' possible views.
That is NOT rationa or worthy human behaviour. That is ant-like, or reptile brain behaviour. And which type of population do you nurture with that approach? Compare the level of knowledge and understanding at the time of the founding fathers, where anybpody might understand the constoitution with todays poulattion who do not grasp anything but signals or spin or attitudes and political statements..
Robt
November 12th, 2011 at 8:29 am
China is active everywhere in the world, most notably Africa in recent years. They may just not be going forth with armies in some impressive forceful event. There are millions of Chinese in Africa and other continents. They are the new colonialists, just as other countries have been in the past. The difference is that they are achieving it by stealth, with legal and illegal immigration and with the money earned from others rather than by force. Force will must needs come later, in answer to local opposition.
Naturally they would like everyone else to stay home so as not to interfere with this historic process.
I don't view any of this in a negative way; it's just the expression of natural population flows, the same as they occur in nature, whether flora or fauna. In the big history of the world it's just another page.
The Victorians made laws against immigration from large-population regions. It wasn't particularly racist, it was just the recognition that at some future time, because of biological exponential growth, local populations would be overwhelmed by the influx; it's just numbers, and the ability of the new population to organize. Either you want to maintain control of your living space for your group or you don't.
muggles
November 12th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Excellent and timely conceptual/historical overview of US foreign policy in the past 100 years.
The poison of collectivist thinking, under varying guises, drives virtually all aggressive warfare and imperial national claims. These facades all serve the same purpose whatever the purported differences are. The "wisdom of grandmothers" (who are famously anti war) should always be used to rebut the grandiose "national greatness" plans of war mongering buffoons and child sacrificers of whatever stripe.
sandyfeet
November 12th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
"As the war cries get louder, you’ll see the "liberal" hawks take wing once again, flying in perfect formation with their neoconservative cousins, the whole flock cawing and shrieking like vultures over a battlefield."
Ha Ha, when did they ever land? http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,18…
Sure is lots of opportunities for sharing power…
"Many of the issues that I've mentioned — those of sharing power and responsibility, those of assuming power and responsibility have been general concerns on campuses throughout the world." http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commenceme… http://www.womenforafghanwomen.org/index.php/peop…
richard vajs
November 13th, 2011 at 6:04 am
Chris Moore,
I support your theory. Plus it is the same crowd that got us into Iraq. Why bother pondering mysterious connections when it is laid out in black and white? Our national problem is an unwillingness to see things as they really are (magic thinking).
sandyfeet
November 13th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
What "oversimplification of Marx" was there?
I personally never like to try and reinvent the wheel, and rather than try to outdo the best there is I just refer to their work. It seems Mr. Raimondo may feel the same way, I could be wrong but I don't think so, try clicking the link and see if it is an oversimplification as you say. I spent ours reading this article, how much time have you spent? Mr. Raimondo offers you an insight into his thinking all you have to do is click the link.
sandyfeet
November 13th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
*hours
I also really liked reading Radical Son, Mr. Raimondo does a fine job and does not over-simplify. I find his analysis intriguing and well worth the read. I only wish I had started reading his work sooner.
sandyfeet
November 14th, 2011 at 12:53 am
I didn't coin the phrase you are what you eat but I will coin the phrase "chances are you are what you hate". This is difficult to define or to even find within oneself or ones organization, because you never see it as you but those about you, therefore you always miss what is you.
Organizations and clubs or groups etc…When you build them to defeat the enemy to counteract their forces, you become the enemy. Much like the government in order to counter forces, you must become them in order to counter them.
I'm going to leave that there and hopefully look at it again.
dn xixote
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:46 am
raimondo all the issue is fake , marxist and capitalist have only one head , the rothschild co in london city ,they are mockering in all of us
,but we are the 99,99%,we must put in jail those crooked evildoers and take all the money they has robbed from us
the threat of ww iii is to create fear and stablish fascit global state nwo.,as a way to avoid war
eyes open wide