Why Governments Make War
Look to the home front: a libertarian theory of international relations
Why is the US involved in endless war around the world? Why, for that matter, do nations – or, rather, their governments – act the way they do? The number of answers is no doubt nearly equal to the number of questioners. It’s all about economics, say the Marxists (and the Hamiltonians): imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism. No, say the “realists,” it’s all about the objective “interests” of various nations, and the interplay of those “interests” in the international arena. The neocons have a different explanation: it’s all a matter of “will” and “national purpose,” or a lack of same: imbued with a sense of our “national greatness,” America will spread democracy all over the world – or else go into a shameful decline in which spiritual loss precedes the loss of the war-making spirit.
Yet none of these supposedly overarching theories provides an adequate explanation for how and why we find ourselves in our present predicament. America has bankrupted itself building a global empire with bases, protectorates, and colonies on every continent – and yet still we persist in pursuing a policy that is taking us to the brink of the financial abyss. Our social safety net is in serious disrepair, and shows every sign of failing: our banking system is a rickety house of cards, and the national housing crisis – the latest manifestation of the financial bubble – is dragging the middle class down into penury. Yet still we send billions – nay, trillions – overseas to prop up a precarious overseas empire. How is this possible –and why is it happening?
In positing a libertarian theory of international relations we depart from the prescriptive and focus on the descriptive: that is, we ignore – for the moment – the question of what the ideal foreign policy ought to be, and concentrate on the problem of describing how our present policies are formulated and implemented. We start, therefore, with the question of who is doing the formulating.
In “democratic” societies, we are told, “the people” are the ultimate policymakers, because they – in theory – hold their rulers accountable, not only at the polls but in the forum of public opinion and whatever parliamentary apparatus shares power with the executive. In practice, however, foreign policy is a completely separate realm, the domain of “experts” and specialists ensconced in think tanks – and, of course, the higher reaches of the councils of state.
Furthermore, unless a major war is in progress, one that has an obvious effect on the economic and political life of the nation, foreign policy is the least of the public’s concerns. This is especially true in the US, but also in a broader sense: it’s only natural that people are usually concerned with events closer to home, where their knowledge of the context is more extensive.
This distancing of the citizenry from the policymaking process is accentuated, in the US, by the erosion of congressional power in the foreign policy realm. In the latter days of the American empire, policy is made almost entirely within the White House and the national security bureaucracy: Congress ceded its war-making powers long ago.
The conduct of America’s – or any country’s – foreign policy, therefore, is the province of a very small group at the very top of the political pyramid: what might be called, for lack of a better group description, the ruling class, otherwise known as the “Establishment.” These are the chief actors, – aside from freelancers like terrorist groups, various “liberation” movements, and George Soros – on the world stage.
To answer the question posed at the beginning of this article, it is necessary to ask what motivates the Establishment: what causes them to come to a consensus and act? For libertarians, and for those of a realistic mindset – not always the same thing – the answer is simple: it’s all about power.
The retention and expansion of political power is the central task of every ruling class throughout history, no matter what their ostensible ideological orientation. Dictatorships, democracies, and everything in between all share this common trait: it is the organizing principle at the core of the policymaking machine, the brain behind the brawn. The various ideological explanations offered by these elites for their actions are invariably self-serving and ultimately irrelevant rationalizations: for example, the old Communist elites pretended to be working toward the establishment of the communist system worldwide, but in fact were devoted to the creation of “socialism in one country,” i.e. feathering their own nest. In the West, political leaders insist their goal is the spread of liberal democracy and its alleged economic benefits, but the reality is that they’re more concerned with their campaign treasuries and their poll numbers: the old mottoes of the Anglo-Saxon ruling class, which upheld the principle of “noblesse oblige,” are so timeworn and tattered that no one even bothers to invoke them any longer.
The politicians, in short, are in it to stay in it: they are in the business of acquiring and keeping power, and that is what motivates them in all matters foreign and domestic. The “national interest,” the “world revolution,” the peculiar destiny afforded us as sainted beneficiaries of “American exceptionalism” – all these disparate brands of ideological snake-oil, boiled down to their essence, are just naked self-interest colored with various shades of rhetorical mumbo-jumbo.
A wise ruler – say, Marcus Aurelius – may realize the prolongation of his rule (not to mention the judgment of history) depends on pursuing peaceful, relatively beneficent policies, whereas a foolish and/or evil one – say, Hitler – may pursue policies that seem to expand his power in the short term but doom him in the long run, Yet both are similarly motivated by an overriding ambition – to wear the Ring of Power, and thus shape the course of events.
In seeking to understand why governments as international actors take or refrain from taking a certain course, the first task of the intelligent observer is to look toward the home front. The “official” explanations for such actions are invariably tied to some “crisis” that exists thousands of miles away, usually attributed to dastardly deeds of the villain-of-the-month. In reality, the true cause is usually much closer to home – and staring us in the face.
For example, let’s look at the events in Libya, where we were told that, unless the US and the NATO alliance intervened, as many as a hundred thousand civilians would be slaughtered by forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi. This alleged “humanitarian crisis,” however, turned out to be the same old war propaganda, on a par with the Kuwaiti incubator babies – but not quite as convincing as those Belgian babies supposedly speared on the Kaiser’s bayonets.
We’re doing it for “the children” – now that’s the kind of war Secretary of State Hillary Clinton can get behind! And she certainly did: indeed, it was her, in league with two other prominent “progressive” harpies in the national security high command, who demanded US action, which the President was clearly reluctant to take. Yet he went along with it in order to appease the increasingly restless Clintonian wing of his party – which has been aggressively pushing Hillary as a replacement for Biden on the 2012 ticket – and to placate George Soros. The sudden declaration of a “humanitarian crisis” was a laughably transparent pretext for intervention – a reality even clearer in retrospect, as the real humanitarian crisis precipitated by various rebel “militias” unfolds in such loyalist strongholds as Sirte and western Libya in general.
The real reason for the Libyan adventure was the necessity of averting a political crisis inside the Democratic coalition: Obama wanted a “team of rivals,” and that is what he got. Having ceded the foreign policy of his administration to the Clintons, the President had little choice but to let Hillary assert herself: Libya was her war, and Obama let her have it for purely internal political reasons.
Our embarrassingly vacillating policy on the question of Palestinian statehood, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in general, is another prime example of how internal political dynamics drive foreign policy decision-making. After a promising start, the Obama administration abandoned its much-reviled-by-the-neocons policy of “even-handedness,” and wound up capitulating to the Israeli rejectionists and their “settlement” policy, even joining them in disdaining the Palestinian Authority’s bid for UN recognition of a goal long sought by US Presidents, including Bill Clinton and George W. Bush: the creation of a Palestinian state. Why the sudden turnabout?
As onetime Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark pointed out, big donors to the party – “the New York money people” – don’t look kindly on candidates who fail to toe the Israeli government line. The timing of the grandstanding UN veto is also a clue: barely a week after the defeat of a Democrat in a heavily Jewish New York congressional district previously colored the deepest blue. The latest wrinkle in fast-deteriorating US-Iranian relations – the phony Iranian “terrorist” plot supposedly engineered by an alcoholic used car salesman – is yet more living evidence that foreign policy has less to do with realities on the ground than it does with the internal political requirements of the various actors. At a time when the President’s reelection prospects are looking increasingly grim, the Obama administration is afraid of losing key donors and voting blocs who doubt his commitment to Israel’s “security” – and, voila!, the Great Turnabout is in progress.
In positing that it’s the internal politics of a country that are key to understanding its relations with other states, it’s important to make no distinctions, either ideological or structural, between them. That is, one must strip away the self-descriptions and other conceits that mask the underlying commonality of all states everywhere. Whether we are talking about democracies, or monarchies, “people’s republics” on the old Soviet model or banana republics a la Hugo Chavez, the same rule applies: the “Establishment,” whether it be capitalist, “socialist,” theocratic, or some other flavor of ideological Kool-Aid, is bound and determined to hold on to power, and will go to practically any lengths to acquire more.
This commonality is demonstrated by the fact that democracies are just as likely to engage in imperialistic wars as are dictatorships of one sort or another: our current policy of endless war demonstrates this rule rather dramatically, and history confirms it. Britain, by far the most liberal and democratic empire that ever existed, was simultaneously the greatest aggressor, relentlessly expanding the Empire to nearly every continent, abolishing slavery – and enslaving millions. The French revolutionaries were similarly expansionist, as dramatized by the career of a certain French corporal. Like Rome, the Athens of classical antiquity – founder of the democratic ideal – started out a republic and later acquired an overseas empire which eventually led to their downfall.
A libertarian theory of foreign affairs starts with the axiom that those in power wish to remain in power: all else follows from this basic proposition. It’s the “all else,” however, that is the important part, and not a mere detail to be filled in later. Because political and policy decisions are made by real people, not impersonal “forces” and floating abstractions, the specific context in which these decisions are made is key to understanding the course of events. It is not enough to say that there is some Vast Conspiracy – say, the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers, or the Elders of Fandom – operating behind the scenes and manipulating the “crisis” of the moment to its own advantage. It is necessary to cite specifics, i.e. evidence establishing causal connections between specific individuals, certain policy outcomes, and benefits accrued.
This is why journalism is such an important branch of the literary arts, and why its decline is such a blow to the cause of peace and liberty. Without specifics, and unarmed with facts, neither the professional analyst nor the interested citizen can get a clue as to what is going on with the biggest – and most dangerous – power on the planet. That’s why Antiwar.com is such an important tool in the fight against interventionism and militarism: because we give you the news they don’t want you to know about. Our ear is always to the ground, listening for the telltale signs of yet another “war for democracy” and/or “humanitarian crisis” requiring US military intervention. Taking you behind the headlines, we give our readers the real lowdown on the War Party’s latest moves – and, like the War Party, we never rest.
We cannot rest, because the tendency of governments to constantly seek opportunities to expand their power – including across national borders – is inherent and constant. It can be neither eradicated, nor ignored: it has to be constantly watched – and challenged. That’s why we’re here, and that’s why we must continue to be here for as long as governments exist.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





andy
October 25th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Another great article by Justin.
Johnny in Wi.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
The Zionists give far more money to the Democrat Party. They also give it far more votes. That is why it is idiotic for the Republicans to be such slaves to the Israeli Lobby. The best thing they could do is throw the Zionists off the buss. Most of them hate Republicans and conservative Christians. We Repubicans and conservatives are like sheep being led to the slaughter by our own Judas goats. Some of their names are Cain, Gingrich, Romney, Bachman, Perry, Santorum, Pat Robertson, John Hagee, Lindsay Graham, and John McCain.
RickR30
October 25th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
I don't think we can separate the near and immediate political conditions from the overarching ideology. Both offer good explanations that don't have to be exclusive. In fact, when both coincide nicely, that's when one has to worry.
Foreign policy is indeed best described by the words "vacillation" and "capitulation." We see individuals allegedly in power and their initial gut reactions usually tending toward what's right and reasonable, but that often goes against "the plan" so to speak, against the master ideology. To the examples cited of Baruch Obama turning from friend of Palestine to throwing Palestine under the bus, we can add plenty of examples from all over the world.
The European catastrophe is particularly illustrative because here we are seeing massive foreign policy efforts deployed in real time as there are daily meetings between the "leaders." We see national interests confronting transnational "European" interest constantly, and always losing! That is, a country's leader will sacrifice his country for the sake of this barbaric bastard abomination of Europe. At the center the poor Germans who have to foot the bill of the other countries' lack of fiscal responsibility. The German foreign minister went off-script by rejecting German intervention in the Libya debacle, er, liberation. As a result the establishment was demanding his head. Next day he had to swear his allegiance to the establishment by proclaiming his love for the NTC. We have the vice-chancellor daring to say that Europe ought to consider a Greek bankruptcy, for which he got a nasty spanking in public- never mind that he was speaking the truth. And to prove him wrong the Chancellor together with the wacky imp Sarkoshlitz are going to pay whatever it takes to keep the de facto bankrupt Greeks from going bankrupt. Still, Merkel is trying to put up some fight to avoid Greece bankrupting Germany, but she'll too will comply eventually. Recall Slovakia voting overwhelmingly against the Euro bailout only to vote the next day for it. Was it just immediate concerns, like toppling the current government, that caused this noteworthy turnaround? Or was there more? For one things is sure, the wrong decision, the one that will cause more harm in the long run, always wins in the end, no matter what.
Why do foreign governments make war? Because it is the most compelling excuse to make a killing- financially and militarily. Foreign policy used to have national interests at heart. But with globalism being the new religion of our dear leaders, national interests have given way to transnational interests. And foreign policy has a decidedly transnational distaste to it. Governments act more and more like transnational soulless corporations than as entities established to watch out for the interests of a people.
Emilyrose
October 26th, 2011 at 4:20 am
Why do governments make war?
I can only answer for western governments and thats simple.
Because they can.
Because almost all politicians are bought and sold.
Because money has totally corrupted our democracy.
Because making weapons is one of the few industries not outsourced for bigger profits from cheaper labour.
NATO is now nothing more than a terrorist organisation.
Its major illegal wars include Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya.
It has the blood of probably some two million innocents on its hands over some ten years or a little more.
It murders indiscrimately with 'drone' warfare whereever it wants.
It is savage, barbaric and an affront to all we regard as western civilised democracy.
And yet we do nothing – or most of us do – when blood lust, greed and mass murder is being done in our name.
Get out and occupy if you can.
These people are hopefully, in the end, going to prevail in bringing back something once decent and honorable ( or at least acceptably so) or at the very least start to wring the excesses that money and corruption have done within our western states.
Have we all gone collectively mad or collectively drugged by the TV sets that spew propaganda, lies and filth some 24 hours a day.
Turn them off and get back to the real world.
With the internet you have no excuse.
Why do governments make war?
Because our!!!!!!callous indifference and inaction let them
Vive Occupation and the sooner revolution comes the better.
sherban
October 26th, 2011 at 4:35 am
This is a great article and the question asked is of the first importance.Who make the wars? Raimondo's intention to clear this primordial question is more important than anything else.In my modest opinion this question is not asked because the war is not considered a tragedy but a natural event.Not that the leader who did wars is not hold responsible but making wars they are winning popularity.The only question asked is if the war brought gains which balance the losses.Just now some ones think if the war in Libya gives Obama a rise in polls.
When George W.Bush was asked by reporters at White House where are the nuclear weapons he laughed and looking for under the carpet.The tragedy is that after the more terrible wars people understand that all was unnecessary.Even the world war two considered as a just war was,how Pat Buchanan described,a huge waste of blood totally unnecessary.
JohnDowser
October 26th, 2011 at 4:56 am
War as the systematic failure. Like with Baudrillard's "objective irony": the near certain probability systems will collapse by their own systematics. The system here being like a "systematic ideology", not only Latter Day Americanism but perhaps the more encompassing Late Modernism.
War as changing agent. But not the agent of choice, not the way nature prefers: it's the darkness that sets in when changes are being prolonged for too long: systematic failures proliferate…
Nelson_2008
October 26th, 2011 at 5:55 am
I can tell you exactly what happened to "America". I can tell you "why" it happened, I can tell you who is behind it, I can tell you what's motivating them, and I can tell you what their general plans are for the future.
Unfortunately though, I cannot convey any of this information to you in the politically correct terms that you would accept in this forum.
Dahoit
October 26th, 2011 at 7:25 am
The reluctant war POTUS?C'mon man!The first day in office he unleashed the drones!This clown is a finger puppet product of poison ivy league Zio indoctrination.And of course everything today is an exercise in Israeli security,America be damned.
The monster worships dough.We must defund them.
tolemo
October 26th, 2011 at 7:27 am
In war, huge sums of (other people's) money can be spent in totally unaudited ways. This money can be spread around to government cronies and/or skimmed off the top, creating large blocks of political supporters. On the home front, knee jerk patriotism is stirred up to bolster the incumbents and citizen freedoms are eroded at an accelerated pace. ( "never let a crisis go to waste") What's not to like? It is the most successful government program for political purposes ever devised!
ML3
October 26th, 2011 at 8:44 am
warmongering will exist in so-called civilized nations as long as there is an ignorant citizenry that can be duped into fighting. As a person who did vote for Obama (mostly because I wanted to see and end to endless wars against weaker nations who did not attack us) and most certainly will not in 2012, no matter how much phony pandering he may or may not do for the 'progressives', he has turned out to be a bigger warmonger and shredder of the Constitution than GWB, and a bigger asskisser of Israel too.
Imagine the outrage if Bush ordered the assassination of a US citizen? The media would cry night and day about it!!! And the endless stories about Gitmo! Where are they now?
Due process be damned, and Obama as well.
RickR30
October 26th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Excellent point. It is indeed bizarre how Republicans are only interested in catering to one and only one constituency that doesn't even vote for them. Republicans are too dumb to embrace the only strategy that would lead them to victory: the Sailer strategy.
Benjacomin Bozart
October 26th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Republicans in Congress are determined to drive Christianity out of the Holy Land if not the Middle-East and have gone a long way in attaining their goal. U.S. Representative Joe Walsh (R-IL), introduced a resolution (with 30 Israel Firster Republican co-sponsors) to support Israel’s right to annex the West Bank in the event that the Palestinian Authority continues to push for vote at the United Nations. Ethnic cleansing would be next.
Benjacomin Bozart
October 26th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Can't blame Obama for Gitmo. The Republicans tied his hands. The media are lap dog propagandists so Bush could have killed who he liked. I wouldn't say O is a worse shredder of the constitution. He made it's shredding bipartisan as a coup d'gras on a dying document so its even worse. I didn't vote for him either as he looked and acted like Bush. But at least Bush was incompetent, Obama is Bush III running quite smoothly to our doom.
liberranter
October 26th, 2011 at 10:22 am
True, but we cannot ignore the "evangelical factor" here. Even if the left-dominated, secular Israeli interests are antagonistic to the GOP's (supposed) ideological underpinnings, there is still the "Israel-as-God's-chosen-nation-that-must-be-defended-and-uplifted-at-all-costs" mentality that permeates a significant portion of the GOP's base and leadership. This is why the GOP eats whatever s*** Tel Aviv defecates into its collective mouth. To do otherwise would drive the "Christian" right away.
JLS
October 26th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
"Yet still we send billions – nay, trillions – overseas to prop up a precarious overseas empire. How is this possible –and why is it happening?"
I think that this question alone could be the subject of a considerable sized book but just a few thoughts-
1. We don't know we are an imperialist power.
It wasn't until I started reading sites like this and doing some research myself that I learned that we are an empire. I never ever would have believed it before. I didn't know much about Teddy Roosevelt's invasions of places like the Dominican republic or the Philippines. This stuff either isn't taught in American schools or it's glossed over with propaganda like we were liberating the Domincans, Puerto Ricans or Phillipinos from evil colonialists but of course we weren't colonizing.
2. We are always taught the ridiculous notion that America is a free country, that Americans enjoy more freedom than others and that any military effort by the US is only to extend the blessings of liberty to the oppressed.
If you could expose and demolish the propaganda of how free and benevolent we are then the empire would collapse but I don't really see any way to do this. Most Americans are simply to filled with propaganda to ever be able to see the facts.
MoT
October 26th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Make a killing? Absolutely. The financial-military organs are conjoined twins. And they like it that way.
Xxx
October 26th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
It is about SOCIAL JUSTICE.
MoT
October 26th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
The only thing the powers that be fear is for their bodies to reach room temperature. Now THAT's the kind of change you can believe in.
Sam
October 26th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
They make wars to avoid social justice at home.
samos flanchi
October 26th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Putin, Chavez, Fidel are scared to death after watching the happy well diserved end of the criminal Gaddafi. Putin, Chavez, and Fidel are rats hiding and they are having several bowell movements per hour for fear of their future. Putin in particlar has murderd thousands of Chechninans, his future end should be like Gaddafi's.
Kitty Antonik Wakfer
October 26th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
All of the US military invasions and occupations described (and beyond) cannot continue to take place without a large number of military enforcers – those willing to initiate physical force on foreigners, and increasingly on USers too.
The power elites do not themselves get out into the fields of war but must depend solely on the populace as a source of bodies to follow orders to initiate physical force – and even give orders at the lowest levels to actually do so, since the higher command is rarely with the troops endangering themselves by their own orders. They are not commanding robots – even if many people still do not think beyond what channel on the TV will they watch – and so the individual humans are the *weak link* in the entire scheme.
When large numbers of them simply refuse to enlist in the military and even the policing agencies, the governments, and those elites within and behind them, will show their teeth – shades of the wolf in Grandma's clothing – and become more apparent to those not yet convinced of their evil. The hardest steps, as I see it, are those right now – convincing the majority who are still flag waving and rejoicing (or more reservedly smiling) earlier at Osama bin Laden's highly reported death and the more recent highly gruesome assassination of Gaddafi.
But even with those who are convinced – like the majority of those participating at this website .. How many are doing anything actively to reduce the number of enlistments in the military? How many try to seriously discourage every young person they know to NOT be part of the military?
When there are far fewer government enforcers of the military variety there will be no wars of empire building and regime changing; a need for defense of one's home and surrounding area from true physical harm-causing invaders will be met be readily met with volunteers. Discourage enlistments and reuppng in the military! (More: "Incremental Approach – A Better Method for Effecting Change" – available online.)
Everyone agreeing with Justin can do more than take part in online rants!
Oswaldwasalefty
October 26th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
I'm getting really tired of people on this site lumping Hugo Chavez with other undemocratic dictators around the world, or characterizing him as having imperial ambitions of his own. The move to the left throughout Latin America represents a strong repudiation of the economic policies promoted by Milton Friedman and his ilk. Don't like it, tough. Chavez has probably won more fair and democratic elections than any elected leader in the world today. It was the Bush administration and the business elite of Venezuela that tried to overthrow Venezuelan democracy in 2002. Show some respect for a democratic government Washington is trying to overthrow by force.
Anyway, War Is A Racket: http://www.wanttoknow.info/warisaracket
guest
October 26th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
I vote to send YOU Samos into that the first wave of assault troops. You being so gung-ho to kill someone in the name of empire. I'm sure lovers of democracy will be happy to walk over your bullet ridden corpse on the way to paradise.
Fred
October 26th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Johnny in Wi.,
How much money do Zionists give to the Republican Party? How important is media coverage to Republicans.
You say neither of these are significant? What data do you have? If they are significant, then it is hardly idiotic of Republicans to service Israel.
Johnny in Wi.
October 26th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
I have seen studies that people of the Zionist persuasion give up to 60% of the money the Democrats get for their campaigns. Obama's biggest fundraisers are from Wall street and Hollywood. I believe his biggest supporter was Goldman Sachs and other bankers. Romney gets a lot of money from them as well. but the Zionists are mostly Democrats in giving money and giving votes. It is true that the Chrisitian Zionists give the Republicans a lot of votes but they are not so flush with the money. Of course the Zionists control the foreign policy of both parties but the Republicans sell out a lot cheaper.
sandyfeet
October 26th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
I only got to Rothbard, (common sense), and have bookmarked. I don't know what is right or wrong. I do have a feeling but all the writers in the world can not make up my mind. Power does corrupt and those surrounding the corrupt corrupt imperiously, to steal a phrase and rework it. I don't know if freedom is better anymore. I used to think it was good, but considering we are so far in the rabbit hole, I am not so sure. I'm watching TNT and I love the music and John Wayne is the hero in the war. My father loved John Wayne and hated the war.
Thanks for writing and I will keep thinking.
:)
sandyfeet
October 26th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
If no one joins…
"The Conscription Act of 1917 was passed in June. Conscripts were court-martialed by the Army if they refused to wear uniforms, bear arms, perform basic duties or submit to military authority. Convicted objectors were often given long sentences of twenty years in Fort Leavenworth.[10] In 1918 Secretary Baker created the Board of Inquiry to question the conscientious objectors' sincerity.[11] Military tribunals tried men found by the Board to be insincere for a variety of offenses, sentencing 17 to death, 142 to life imprisonment, and 345 to penal labor camps."
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States
The Court emphasized the principle of the reciprocal rights and duties of citizens:
"it may not be doubted that the very conception of a just government in its duty to the citizen includes the reciprocal obligation of the citizen to render military service in case of need and the right to compel.".
Unfortunately the public usually gets behind all of it, and then there is no where to run and no one willing to hide you, or they are few and far between.
Don't get me wrong, but people who don't believe are a very small minority when push comes to shove.
Kitty Antonik Wakfer
October 27th, 2011 at 2:46 am
Yes, if enlistments drop off dramatically rulers may very likely resort to legislating conscription. However, that will be a condition where "those elites within and behind them, will show their teeth – shades of the wolf in Grandma's clothing – and become more apparent to those not yet convinced of their evil." Being compelled to do something that those in government think is appropriate but not so by individuals is becoming less acceptable to many, but yes, not yet a majority.
It is only domestic enforcers – those willing to initiate physical force, not the issuers of words – who are necessary to make any laws/regulations/decrees/edicts/etc reality. Protests will take place against a draft, but they also will not be enough as long as there are still very many enforcers. Then – and even now – make government enforcer (in all agencies federal, state and local) a less than popular position and there will be fewer of them.
Don't voluntarily associate with enforcers – no sales, no service, no camaraderie, no anything – who continue to remain in or seek these jobs even when approached with reasoned logic for getting one that truly produces value! This is shunning and ostracism, used down through the ages with considerable success towards modifying the others' behavior viewed as unacceptable.
So if you understand that enforcers – those who are willing to initiate physical force against others – are unacceptable in a society of voluntarily interacting individuals, then use the cumulative influence of the much larger number of non-enforcers. (More at "Tax/Regulation Protests are Not Enough: Relationship of Self-Responsibility and Social Order" – http://selfsip.org/focus/protestsnotenough.html)
psh
October 27th, 2011 at 3:35 am
The white man… The world's most civilised barbarian:)
Emilyrose
October 27th, 2011 at 4:19 am
Why does race come into this?
Obama sold himself as 'black' although only one sixth of his race is such. He is arab and white.
I am fed up with race obsessives.
We should get past it. Half the problem of the world.
angelsliberty
October 27th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Wars don't make sense economically perhaps for the US as a nation and for the middle and lower classes. But what about for the moneyed and corporate elite? Does the hypothesis of military backing up a revolution from the top (as seen when the money supply expands and the lower classes lose real wealth) completely fail? In such a hypothesis, power ensures the means to harness everyone in an economic strait-jacket that in turn ensures the securing of power. WE are poorer not only in the US today, but in Greece and Spain, and food prices are rising in China too. Where does that wealth go? Where did the wealth go when the USSR had a giant yard sale? Are there less billionaires today than ten years ago?
WashingtonDC goddamn
October 29th, 2011 at 10:06 am
As reluctant as Dracula when it comes to sinking fangs into a neck.
WashingtonDC goddamn
October 29th, 2011 at 10:10 am
The other side of this coin is the seldom-mentioned gazillionaire Saudi and other funding and lobbying that takes place under the table in Washington. The Washington politicians' interest is keeping the conflicts going and keeping the bribe money coming in from all sides…
WashingtonDC goddamn
October 29th, 2011 at 10:20 am
And how Obama would like to force the youth of the nation to "repay" their debt for their mandatory state education by way of compulsory "voluntary" military service.
Alice Maxwell
October 29th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Sir, go back and read your history. The USA and Europe take the side of Israel for one big reason….A thousand years ago, Islam proclaimed itself the successor to all religions, including Christianity and from that time on, the Christian world knew it would have to counter that threat but it could not do it alone! It had to mobilize the entire world, its many religions seeking to protect themselves, against the Islamic dicta…convert or else. This need for combined opposition to Islam is what has fueled the growth of foreign entanglements for all our Western and now Asian governments in these last two centuries.
I suggest you go back and listen to the Marine Corps hymn-anthem. It came to be when the USA had its first war after achieving its independence, and who was it with – The Barabry pirates, then as now Islamic cohorts. Then you can read the great novels of Kipling et al re how the British Empirs fought Islam in all its foreign posts, the battle we assumed in their stead ever since WWII.
Obviously, you must have skipped elemental history in school, literature too but it is not too late for you to amend that lapse!.
sandyfeet
October 29th, 2011 at 11:52 am
"Being compelled to do something that those in government think is appropriate but not so by individuals is becoming less acceptable to many, but yes, not yet a majority. "
Here you don't like being compelled to do something, yet here:
"This is shunning and ostracism, used down through the ages with considerable success towards modifying the others' behavior viewed as unacceptable. "
This is part of the problem not the solution. It's funny you would put this on an anti-war site considering this is just another form of violence, psychological. How is compelling someone to do something any more acceptable when a majority of people do it?
Just because a store owner had a right to put up a sign saying no jews or no blacks allowed didn't make it "right". Not to mention it is really poor business sense.
kierkegaard71
October 30th, 2011 at 6:03 am
So, the Libyan intervention happened because of pressure from Hillary Clinton. What motivated Hillary Clinton to press for Libyan intervention?
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