This year is the 150th anniversary of the misnamed American Civil War. In December 1860, South Carolina seceded in response to Abraham Lincoln’s election to the presidency. Open warfare began in April 1861, when the new-formed Confederacy fired the first shot at the Federal convoy reinforcing Fort Sumter outside Charleston, SC — just as Lincoln intended. Over the four subsequent years, the war would claim some 625,000 lives, utterly devastate the Southern states, further poison the well of racial relations, and change the very nature of America, as "United States" became a singular noun, instead of plural.
Twenty years ago, on June 25, 1991, a secession crisis began in Yugoslavia. Two of its federal units, Slovenia and Croatia, declared independence. Federal forces trying to reinforce customs posts on the Austrian border were shot at by Slovenian militia. And that is where any resemblance to American history ends.
No Lincoln
In the mainstream American history, Abraham Lincoln is revered as a savior and enshrined in a monumental pagan temple in Washington, DC that draws millions of tourists. One has to wonder what mainstream American history would have made of the events in Yugoslavia, had Slobodan Milosevic – the designated villain — acted more like Lincoln. In other words, had he actually tried to hold Yugoslavia together by force, suppress the Slovenian and Croatian rebellion, and remake Yugoslavia to his vision. But he did not.
The American crisis happened against a very different historical backdrop. While the leading European powers — France and Britain — harbored some sympathies for the Confederacy (Russia supported Lincoln), they never recognized the government in Richmond. Yugoslavia’s demise, on the other hand, unfolded just after the end of the Cold War, as Germany reunited, the US sought a new purpose in the world, and the Soviet Union itself began to implode. So while Washington gave lip service to the notion of Yugoslav unity, it ruled out any use of force to achieve it. Meanwhile, old grudges drove several European governments to recognize the separatists.
Goals and Motivations
Slovenian communists, who reinvented themselves overnight as democrats, had at least some cause to claim they fought for independence. By accepting European mediation and signing the Brioni Declaration, both the crumbling federal government and the authorities in Serbia acknowledged that the principle of self-determination was no longer in question. Yet the Croatians still argue the conflict that began in 1991 was a struggle for independence. That is simply untrue. For better or for worse, no one disputed Croatia’s right to secede from Yugoslavia — only the manner in which it chose to do so, and the extent of territory it wanted to claim.
During WW2, the Nazi-allied Croatian state committed a genocide of Serbs and Jews. When the Communists took over, in 1945, they defined Croatia as a state of both Croats and Serbs, recognizing the Serbs’ suffering as well as their major role in the resistance. However, their doctrine of "brotherhood and unity" suppressed any meaningful discussion of the Ustasha atrocities, especially abroad.
One of the first things the Croatian government of Franjo Tudjman — elected partly due to support of the returning Ustasha sympathizers — did, in June 1990, was to change that provision of the constitution, relegating the Serbs to minority status. It was the Ustasha revival and the widespread persecution of Serbs that brought about the war in Croatia, not a desire to prevent its independence. But thanks to the Communist silence about WW2 crimes, few in the West knew of the Ustasha. Propaganda from Zagreb spun a story about freedom and democracy fighting against the evil Communist Serbs, and at that point in time, there were plenty of ears willing to listen.
The Great Whitewash
An interesting article in the Viennese daily Die Presse, published on June 25 this year, reveals that the Austrian foreign ministry aggressively pushed for the recognition of Yugoslavia’s separatist republics. Arguments offered by Foreign Minister Alois Mock — that recognition would prevent bloodshed — rang hollow then as they do now. Foreign support actually made the separatists less likely to negotiate and more likely to provoke a war, as they sought legitimacy through suffering. This was the case both with Croatia in 1991 and with Bosnia the following year.
While Austria’s interest in Slovenia and Croatia could be explained by historical attachment (having ruled the territories for centuries), that of Germany is more puzzling — but only at first glance. The conflict in Yugoslavia was an opportunity for many to find a new purpose at the "end of history," from Western liberal interventionists to Afghan jihadists. The newly united Germany used it to flex its newly acquired muscle, and redirect all its frustrations from decades of Nazi guilt onto a historical enemy. By labeling the Serbs as modern-day Nazis, Bonn and Berlin whitewashed their own history. By 1999, German soldiers once again went abroad to wage war, and the Luftwaffe was bombing again.
Austria may have pushed for it, but it was Germany that unilaterally recognized Slovenia and Croatia in December 1991. This effectively forced the hand of the other members of the EEC — soon to be the EU — as well as the International Conference on Yugoslavia, trying to mediate the crisis. In January 1991, European lawyers declared Yugoslavia "in dissolution", wiping the country off the map more efficiently than Hitler did in April 1941.
Empire, Then and Now
It did not take very long for Washington to get involved in the Yugoslav crisis, seeing the opportunity to reassert dominance over Europe, revive NATO and find new purpose in humanitarian imperialism. By late summer 1995, the American-trained Croatian Army obliterated the Serb enclaves, while NATO bombed the Bosnian Serbs. In November that year, the Dayton Peace Agreement ended the Bosnian War.
In 1999, the U.S. launched a war on Serbia (then still part of a state called Yugoslavia) in support of an Albanian terrorist syndicate’s bid on the province of Kosovo. According to insiders, however, the actual purpose of the war was to crush "Yugoslavia’s resistance to the broader trends of political and economic reform" that the Empire sought to present as inevitable.
Yugoslavia was also where the Empire fully embraced the notion of perception management and reality manipulation. It was the first war in which cameras were more important than cannons. Propaganda leveraged weakness into victimhood. Atrocity porn did the rest. Few even bothered to ask how come there was no logic in Empire’s actions, only power.
What is going on in Libya now is simply Yugoslavia on fast-forward. First there were rumors of massacres, then the no-fly zone, then bombing for “regime change,” seasoned by wild claims of "mass rape" — all in the space of just months. There was even an indictment of the targeted country’s leader by a war crimes court… Why bother coming up with new propaganda, when the recycled stuff works just as well? When in doubt, escalate. Failure is not an option…
Murder by Recognition
Cogent arguments have been made that Yugoslavia was a bad idea at the very beginning, back in 1918. Resurrecting the country’s corpse in 1945 and putting Communist make-up on it arguably made matters even worse. But even that reanimated corpse did not really decompose in 1991 — it was dismembered.
Albert Rohan, the Austrian diplomat who worked the Balkans desk in 1991, tried to argue that recognitions did not really fuel the wars. The wars were already over by then, he told Die Presse. While not technically true (for Croatia and Bosnia at least), it is true metaphorically: the recognitions pretty much decided the outcome of the wars. Even though they achieved independence by "erasing" (Slovenia) or disenfranchising, killing and expelling (Croatia, Bosnia) their "undesirables," the separatists would not be allowed to lose. So much for "human rights!"
Meanwhile, the Serbs were allowed no rights at all — not just the 2 million suddenly trapped in hostile new states, but those in Macedonia, Montenegro, and even Serbia itself. As the ultimate cruelty, the Empire now seeks to present them as its most faithful servants, spreading democratic revolutions worldwide.
Much has been said about the ugly precedent — no matter how hard Foggy Bottom claimed otherwise — of declaring the occupied Kosovo an independent state in 2008. But an even uglier precedent occurred in 1991, when Yugoslavia was simply written out of existence following the Austro-German murder-by-recognition.
In a world where the Empire has abandoned all pretense of principle, there is no telling when this terrible weapon could be used next, and against whom.
Read more by Nebojsa Malic
- Victory Day – May 10th, 2013
- Consenting to Rape – April 25th, 2013
- An Unexpected Refusal – April 12th, 2013
- Lawless: An Oddly Exceptional Empire – March 28th, 2013
- Illusion of Triumph – March 21st, 2013





gary
July 1st, 2011 at 9:47 pm
o.k. compared to the nazi suportting croats the serbs are not so bad…but malisovic as lincoln? as usual hytperbole undermines your case
ToivoS
July 1st, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Gary you have a reading comprehension problem. Nebojsa pointed out that Milosovic was less ruthless than Lincoln. Lincoln was willing to sacrifice 5% of the population (about 20% of the able bodied male population) to save the union — Milosovic stopped well short of those levels of losses.
Michael Kenny
July 2nd, 2011 at 5:57 am
The “amusing” aspect of the Yugoslav fiasco is that it was seen by US neocons as a dry run, as they attempted to “turn NATO around” and make it into an instrument for the defence of Israel. But precisely because the whole thing turned into a fiasco which is still going on today, it undermined European confidence in the US and may well be regarded as the first sign of the American superpower’s collapse. Because of Yugoslavia, Europe was sceptical as regards Afghanistan, reluctant as regards Iraq and Iran was the bridge too far. And, of course, France and Britain, each for their own domestic reasons, took matters into their own hands over Libya, dragging a reluctant US after them. And, of course, all that set off a debate among Americans as to whether they really wanted to be an empire at all. As in so many other domains, the neocons, by trying to be “smart asses”, actually shot themselves in the foot!
Jay
July 2nd, 2011 at 8:08 am
It is always important to note the relationship of Israeli security to any use of force by the USA in Southeastern Europe, Northeast Africa, and Southwest Asia. The USA as the Helots, and Israel as the Spartans, fits the contemporary scene better than anything the honorable historian from rural California has been able to suggest by way of explanatory comparisons to ancient Greece.
The fact is that the USA (acting as Helots) has circled Israel up to four countries away with bases and radar stations to guard Israel. The Kosovo dust up can be explained by Camp Bondsteel to defend Israel. The radar installations in behalf of NATO are really to defend Israel. The USA ring of steel around Israel now includes the complete encirclement of Iran with Iraq to its west and Afghanistan to its east.
This also explains Libya, three countries away from Israel. The USA is not acting as an empire, it is acting as unpaid palace guards to defend the existence of Israel.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but until you learn to measure the distance from Israel to the latest dust-up in that region, you will simply flail around with reasons like "the Empire wants it that way." The USA is not the Empire, it is a vast reservoir of manpower, resources, and technology placed at the service of Israel which is the HQ of its own Empire.
andy
July 2nd, 2011 at 9:09 am
All I know is America should have just stayed out of the matter altogether.
montaigne
July 2nd, 2011 at 9:38 am
Thank you to Nebojsa Malic for at least trying to tell this very strange tale of democratic-freedom-rights-war-with-no-limits-for-the winner.
In fact it seems to have become ONLY a question of WINNING. Close down the opponents, and then the only voice heard is the winners! Perhaps this might be labeled historically as the great American contribution to World History: The Age of the Winners Empire: AWE! Like their weapons, actions, movies, silly action tales, stupidity, stubbornness. They fill the peoples of the world with AWE.
Alas, like any experienced drinker will know, there comes a time after those hallucinatoric days of self adornments and eager shouts of/shots for enjoyment. Then it goes from the silly AWE into the sober times of reflection, hesitation, sober dignity. The times of the elderly, the sages, the moralistics, the philosophicals – those speaking the truth and respecting reality.
At that time, the rest of the world will piss and shit on the savage results of the American culture. A time was for AWE – another and better and safer one for developed and balanced an civilised (cultured) peoples.
Jamie
July 2nd, 2011 at 10:58 am
America better stop the world countrys with power similar to Americas are getting sick and tierd they now if given the chance the US will do the same to them.If America don't stop they will fight a war that they can't win against China,Russia,North Korea,Pakistan,Iran,Syria and I'm sure many others.Gates already said China was somthing there military will have to deal with .All America will do is lose even without all the others that will help.If the attack almost ant country named they might as well attack all.Americas only hope would be nukular and they together and Russia alone has more nukes that the US so every one will die.Sounds stupid to me no country will ever takeover the hole world impposible unless they were asleep al;l at the same time.All countrys are on guard 24 7.Time for America to wake up and stop[ helping Israel commit crimes.If you both stop your illegal actions the world will have much less war and people besides the rich will have a chance to do great themselfs.Stop holding 3 world countrys down so they can prosper.But yous don't care how many people you murder well destroying the planet.Thanks scum.
Alek
July 2nd, 2011 at 12:01 pm
What planet does Nebojsa Malic live on? I don't want to take sides, but according to him it was everybody but the Serbs who can take the blame!!!!
Proud Shqiptar
July 2nd, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Serbia de facto recognizes KosovA:
http://news.yahoo.com/eu-kosovo-serbia-agree-prac…
davros
July 2nd, 2011 at 1:38 pm
The unbelievable crimes of the Croatian Ushtasha were widely known and reported in Britain – although as the destabilisation of Jugoslavia approached it was "kept off the frotpage" as they say.
I remember attending a meeting at the British Labour Party Conference in 1992 when this was fully discussed.
There was also a TV documentary in 1991.
Unfortunately it was in Jugoslavia that they were not widely known.
The planet Nebojsa Malic lives on is called Reality.
You did take sides, the ustasha were your Assets brought out in 1945.
The British refused, creating a disagreement with their American allies.
Cynical Skeptic
July 2nd, 2011 at 1:55 pm
It's funny that Malic speaks of "atrocity porn" used by Kosovo Albanians in 1999, yet refers to the so-called "Ustasha genocide", the notorious Serbian atrocity porn, a narrative that Serbs never tire of mentioning and repeating ad nauseam. This obsession with the ustashas has been present among Serbs in the last 66 years. It only proves that Serbs are collectively sick people, eternally stuck in the past, unable to create a modern viable state. This obsession with the past and almost passive homosexual pleasure in telling the stories of victimhood (victimism is always homosexual, because it posits a passive role, of someoene who has been defeated) is possibly one the main sources of Serbia's failure in the present.
Zvornimir
July 2nd, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Nebojsa Malic is a kind of yugo-nostalgic who would prefer if Yugoslavia had survived. It is only that he thinks that Tito's Yugoslavia was not Serb-dominated enough and that some other, more Serbized Yugoslavia, which Milosevic wanted to create, would be a better solution. This is main problem with Serbs: they want to dominate, to rule over others, they think they have the right to rule, thanks to their "glorious" history and past suffering. This was the main problem of Yugoslavia from the very beginning. Croats were not ready to accept the Serb domination and Serb "glorious" history left them unimpressed. This caused the appearance of the ustasha movement and to some atrocities perpetrated on Serbs (chetniks and partisans committed atrocities too, simultaneoulsy with the ustashas). It is hypocritical to be alleged anti-imperialist (as Mr. Malic claims to be) and at the same time to wish for a domination of one's own nation within a mini-empire of the Balkans. Serbian "Yugoslavism" is always just that: a wish for domination.
Maidhc Ó Cathail
July 2nd, 2011 at 2:33 pm
"As the ultimate cruelty, the Empire now seeks to present them as its most faithful servants, spreading democratic revolutions worldwide."
To which the "Arab Spring" cheerleaders at Antiwar remain oblivious.
davros
July 2nd, 2011 at 2:39 pm
"American crisis happened against a very different historical backdrop. While the leading European powers — France and Britain — harbored some sympathies for the Confederacy (Russia supported Lincoln), they never recognized the government in Richmond."
Nope.
The USA was the original victim of Intervention. Who was the original victim of a demonisation like Milosevic – Abraham Lincoln.
The British War Party fully intended to Intervene on the side of the Confederacy, but like Jugoslavia using "peacemaking" and "mediation".
The demonisation of Lincoln had actually started in the London press, the foolish middleclass Liberals falling into line as in 1991, and the ultimatum actually sent.
They now hit trouble, the ingrate working class Cotton Operatives of Lancashire rioted to the slogan "No War for Slavery!". It also helps if the co-chairs of the peace movement are a nice couple called Albert and Victoria Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
A commissioner is sent to get the ultimatum back from the American messanger before he boards the Liverpool packet and Palmerston told in future he mst be bound by foreign policy guidelnes written for him.
davros
July 2nd, 2011 at 2:42 pm
In other words the difference is that in 1991 unlike 1862 propaganda prevented an opposition movement.
Also had Milosevic behaved as ruthlessly as Lincoln and proclaimed the unity of the country as well he would probably be ruling Jugoslavia now.
But he did not, trying to keep the deal going with his Imperial Masters for all that money they had promised him to create a prosperous EEc-style Serbia. Both Kissinger and Lawrence Eagleberger had promoted this deal in Belgrade and assured him he would receive this money.
rodney
July 2nd, 2011 at 5:12 pm
AMERICAN CIVIL WAR IS MIDNAMED-IT WAS A THRID WAR OF IDNDEPNECE FROM ENGLAND . EBCAUSE IT WAS ENGLAND WHICH WAS ATTACKING AMERICA THROUGH HER AGENTS IN THE SOUTH WHO STILL CELEBRATE THEIR TRECHERY IN FORM OF S=CONFEDEARAQCY FLAG AND THINK THAT IS PATRIOTIC! IT WA SNOT ABOUT SLAVES BUT ABOUT CONTROL OF AMERICA BY ENGLISH PARASITES AGAIN
rodney
July 2nd, 2011 at 5:14 pm
An Anglophile to the core, ku kulx klan stooge Wilson didn't care about the fate of the Russians. His concern was in keeping German forces split along two fronts. The payoff worked: Russia's provisional prime minister Aleksandr Kerensky kept the Russians involved in the war.
In 1916, Woodrow Wilson was re-elected to the presidency chiefly on the strength of a slogan: "He kept us out of war." By 1917, the peacenik prez was leading the charge against Germany, jailing antiwar activists, and exhorting Americans to fight a "war to end all wars." In 1940, Franklin Delano Roosevelt told the voters: "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." Behind the scenes, however, he was maneuvering to do just that – and by the end of 1941, we were fighting a two-front war, embracing "Uncle" Joe Stalin as a fellow "anti-fascist," and planning the internment of the Japanese-American population.
rodney
July 2nd, 2011 at 5:17 pm
. Aristocracy is in Italy, in Spain, In Germany, in France and other European nations. But the one country -england which never had true aristocracy talks a lot about that to impress Americans. Example-in all European countries There is a word to describe a lower member( let us say a starting point) of aristocracy-A Man who is mounted on a horse. Chevalier in French and Caballero in Spanish means exactly that. A man on horse. So is it in all European languages. but not in english. The equivalent word knight is not derived from horse
.It has been artificially given the same meaning. The reason is simple. In England there has never been a class of blood’s (though they talk most of all people about it). Anybody could be and can be given entrance to their so called aristocracy. Mostly Pirates turned shopkeepers have been favourites to receive knighthood. It is not true of only pirate queen Elizabeth1 but is has been much before that bandit queen and it is true even today. The point is important. Because by giving false propaganda that they somehow have class they have gained entrance into Hollywood and shaped much of today’s American thinking. In fact enlish people declare themselves classy in england usually they have earned a lot a money in Hollywood. It is america which improves their class and not vice-versa as they would like Americans to believe. There is another word (or lack of it)
which shoes that English race never had class. In all European languages there is an equivalent word for` `Bonn Appetite“. Not in english. Because even after last 200 hundred years of ill-gotten money the English race never developed class to appreciate good food. In the same way english language( u.k.) has a lot of word for sensational and secretive kind but very few words to describe finer things in Life like Philosophy, arts, etc. The point being made is that English people must be prohibited from coming to States to get employment in lucrative jobs when their are more better qualified people in States and elsewhere. Because England is not only controlling American foreign policy but also it’s domestic and economic policy.
rodney
July 2nd, 2011 at 5:29 pm
NATO IS AND WAS ALWAYS MEANT FOR THE FURTHERQANCE OF ENGLISH AGGRESSION AGASINT THE EREST OF EUROPE AND AGASINT WORLD-NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. nato was meant to keep third rate england stgill a bullying toad
andy
July 2nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Woodrow Wilson was the worst president ever. FDR was a close second.
Duglarri
July 2nd, 2011 at 8:13 pm
I'm a neutral (Canadian) with very strong ties to Croatia… but my long exposure to this whole disaster puts me on Nebojsa's side: this war was unnecessary, and the real villains are the Slovenes, who triggered it, started the violence, and then stepped back out of it to watch the fireworks. Abetted by the Germans who were playing cards dealt in the 40s.
The parallel with Lincoln is accurate. One separatist movement was crushed by force, the other not.
To draw another parallel that Canadians find accessible: imagine how Canada and the US would be different if Quebec separatists had formed armed militias in the 1980's and tried to take power in Quebec. If they'd imported weaponry and taken over government military bases, and then started shooting at Canadian army troops. Unthinkable? That's precisely what happened in Croatia and Slovenia.
That's not to absolve the Serbs for the crimes they committed. But the sad fact is that the war itself was not started by them. And that's important for the future, for recognition of similar situations that might arise. It's when the militias arm up, prompted and encouraged by outsiders, that peaceful resolutions leave the table.
montaigne
July 3rd, 2011 at 12:34 am
Nonsense. The south had a RIGHT to leave the US. It is previsely the American refusal to accept any rights above POWER, the pragmatist semi-philosophy for scums ofg all kinds, that is at bottom of the calamities present and coming.
Aleksandar
July 3rd, 2011 at 5:31 am
Nebojsha, you say that since the YU breakup, the Serbs in Macedonia have had no rights. I disagree, as they are represented in the Macedonian parliament since day one of the Macedonian independence.
On a different note, you talk about Croatians amending the constitution to promote the Croats as the main player in Croatia and the Serbs as a minority. Since 2001, Macedonia is living with an imposed opposite with its constitution amended to proclaim it a state of multiple nations. One has to wonder how long before the Macedonians will fight again to change things and re-establish Macedonia's rightful nation state order as before. And, who was behind the absurd framework agreement which is a totally ridiculous act, giving collective not civil rights, and basing those rights on population percentages which nobody has checked. The last census was postponed, and the local Albanians are doing everything they can to botch (yet again) the results of any one scheduled for the future. Again, de-stabilization as a rule in the Balkans.
Zvonimir
July 3rd, 2011 at 10:38 am
So, Serbian domination (ie. the existence of Yugoslavia) is the normal state of affairs according to you? It should not have been question by anyone, not by Slovenes, Croats or others?
Serbs like to cry over spilled milk: they think they have a "right" to dominate over other peoples in South Eastern Europe. If they don't have enough force to achieve that, they demand from others to make it possible for them (on the account of some supposed historical merits of the Serbs and similar?), for example from "the West". If those others decline to help Serbs achieve that goal, Serbs start to rave about cosmic anti-Serb conspiracies etc.
There is no more delusional and childish people in today's Europe than Serbs!
Duglarri, you are a Serb, it's very clear from your point of view. You bemoan the "good old days" when Serbs lived off the back of others.
davros
July 3rd, 2011 at 1:55 pm
They won't be allowed to. They are too small. just like last time.
Haven't you worked it out The Empire was behind the absurd framework agreement to pay off another set of Assets. MMRI military personell accompanied the paramilitaries as advisors.
Nebojsa Malic
July 3rd, 2011 at 7:14 pm
I believe I called the framework agreement at the time "murdering Macedonia" and a "futile surrender." Should still be in the archives.
Bianca
July 3rd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
As for the old Yugoslav saga, it is sad to still have people who cannot be honest after all this time. This lack of honesty plagues Croatia, from day one. Nobody prevented Croatia from declaring independence. Nobody. Declaring independence in Croatia should not have been accompanied by the acts of cruelty to its citizens of Serbian nationality. End story. Tudjman and his regime embarked on a systematic pogrom of anything Serbian. The feared Ustasha symbols returned with vengeance, and there was no safe place for Serbs. Croatia then acted "surprised" when Krajina declared independence from Croatia. Having caused the fear and initiated the bloodshed, it simultaneously claimed victimhood — while forcing people of Serbian origin to flee. But it is done, it is history. Having worked for hundreds of years on removing the "shismatics", Croatia has finally succeeded beyond its wildest expectations. But it does not know how to enoy its success, without blaming Serbs for its guilty conscience. In history, when things are done that conscience revolts against, attempts at acquiring the conscience after the fact are doomed to failure.
Zvonimir
July 4th, 2011 at 3:53 am
Take a look at this, Serbs. And suffer, hehe.
http://www.pressonline.rs/sr/vesti/vesti_dana/sto…
(from a Serbian website!)
Jovan M.
July 4th, 2011 at 11:48 am
@Zvonimir: You're obviously not intelligent enough to follow what Nebojsa is saying or what actually occurred in Yugoslavia. First of all, calling genocide against Serbs and Jews in WWII "spilled milk" is disturbing and despicable. Serbs don't believe they have (as you put it) "the right to dominate over other peoples in South Eastern Europe" because of so-called "spilled milk". However, they had every right to worry about a possible take over of Croatia by former Ustashas and every right to try to protect themselves. Speaking as a Serb, we couldn't care less about having Croatia be united with us as one country. I say f#$k off and take your God-forsaken Nazi loving country and leave us alone. But, there was always the issue of what would happen to the Serbs in Croatia if the Ustashas came back? And what did happen…..Operation Storm, murdering, pillaging, ethnic cleansing, and genocide just like 50 years prior.
Bottom line is, you (Croatians) proved us right! We had every reason to worry about our people in your land. Let me ask you a question, how many innocent Serbs were expelled from or killed in Croatia in the 1990's?- To put it into perspective, most of the survivors are now living in refugee camps in Serbia. Very few have returned to Croatia and it was only made possible as a demand by the EU (for Croatia to be considered for EU membership). You can read Amnesty International's report of how few Serbs have returned to Croatia and how it is mostly do to Croatia not giving them back their property or affording them equal rights – as well as all the abuse they receive from the locals with no protection from the government.
Nobody was going to fight against Croatian secession. But there was a right way and a wrong way to go about it. The right way would have taken longer, would have followed international laws (therefore it would have been legal), there would have been no blood-shed, and Croatian Serbs would have been afforded equal status and equal rights just like everyone else. The wrong way went against international law (thus was illegal), war and needless bloodshed would occur, thus resulting in ethnic cleansing and genocide. All leading to the much dreamed of Ustasha goal of a pure (Serb free) and "Independent" Croatian state. You got what you wanted but you'll have to live with blood stained hands.–But I'm sure it's all the same to you!
Zvonimir
July 5th, 2011 at 3:43 am
The old boring and very unintelligent Serb story. Always the same, "ustasha genocide", etc. blah blah blah.
It is clear that Mr. Malic deplores the fact that Yugoslavia broke apart.
Rhoda
July 5th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Zvonimir, just a little 'Genocide' that the Serbs are so obsessed to.
3.5 millions Croats killed close to million Serbs and Jews during
WWII, What a legacy? You should be very grateful to both
Yugoslavias for your statehood – otherwise you will never achieved this on your own. Your bad luck was only that you
alligned yourself with the losers in both wars and ended up with the victors – so what to complain about? Now question is about
the CONSCIENCE what you have to deal with in future for the generations of Croats. I hope there is something left …..
Now go back to school and learn world history instead of the
'propaganda du jour' at your convenience. Should I say
'Za Dom Spremni'?Rhid
Suvorov
July 5th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
So a "Western Leftist" turned into a "Cynical Skeptic", heh? Why don't you just stick with "Tomislav"?
Cynical Skeptic
July 6th, 2011 at 4:41 am
What's up, homo? The post sexually aroused you? You are one of those Serb homosexual victimists?
Zvonimir
July 6th, 2011 at 4:47 am
We don't think this so-called "genocide" is anything relevant. It wasn't a "genocide", it was a string of local excesses, whereby ustashas, chetniks and partisans not only fought each other, but also killed civilians of other nationalities. And it was long ago. Few people here in Croatia care about it. Serbian eternal screaming about "ustasha genocide" makes appear Serbs as some kind of possessed lunatics. It is rather psychiatric than historiographic question.
Rhoda
July 6th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Zvonimir, The 'GENOCIDE' started before any shot was fired in April l941. There were no chetniks or partizans. They came as consequences of 'Genocide' committed by ustashas but not much by the Germans. There is more to these fact but you will never accept the reality if not at your likings. The WWII world war is not a Milenium away as your kings Zvonimir is in the fog of history.
Enjoy yourself in ethnically clean catholic Croatia! You did not contribute anything in this site except wishing to harass
the column of Mr. Malic and Serbs. Enjoy yourself!
Suvorov
July 6th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Perhaps it was your recent attendance of the gay pride parade in Zagreb that inspired you to search for your other half, but I have to disappoint you: you will have to find it in your native country. It shouldn't be difficult, but if you have trouble, I suggest you visit any Catholic church. And if you get discouraged, just remember: "I buducnost je nasa".
Cynical Skeptic
July 7th, 2011 at 12:42 am
Well, take a look at Split, see what happened to the gay pride parade there.
People who attend gay pride parades and similar events in Croatia are usually leftists and Serbophiles, they often moralize about how we should feel ashamed because of "crimes against Serbies" (blah blah). That is, they are your buddies. So I am not surprised you are aroused by them.
Suvorov
July 9th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
All right, someone cannot distinguish between Zagreb and Split. Oh well, that should be as unsurprising as the fact that someone from Croatia feels the need to mention homosexuality in every comment, for homosexuality and Nazism go hand in hand, as the Catholic church has amply demonstrated. Thus, you are by no means unique. Go watch Bruno yet again, and bring your bishops and cardinals along.