In the afternoon hours of May 26, the president of Serbia called a surprise press conference to announce, in Boratesque English, the arrest of General Ratko Mladic, wartime commander of Bosnian Serb forces. Entirely by coincidence, or so President Tadic’s crack team of spin-masters would have everyone believe, this happened on the very day EU’s foreign policy commissar Catherine Ashton was visiting.
Tadic argued that the arrest "lifted the stain from Serbia and from Serbs" everywhere, and "ended a difficult period in our history." He expressed hope that the arrest would mollify the bureaucrats of Brussels to unfreeze his government’s bid to join the EU. True, he personally received praise from the Emperor himself and not a few media mavens. But the EU remained aloof, and soon produced more demands, while the mainstream media cared little about his spin on events – they gleefully proceeded to dredge up every bit of mud they’ve ever slung at Serbia and the Serbs, and add more.
The Five-Day Hatefest
The media feeding frenzy in the five days between Gen. Mladic’s arrest and his rendition on Monday resembled nothing so much as the similar outpouring of vitriol almost three years ago, during the arrest and rendition of former Bosnian Serb president Radovan Karadzic. It had been a rare moment, as Brendan O’Neill noted, when Islamic militant joined hands with liberal interventionists and hated their common villain.
Accounts of the alleged atrocities by the "Butcher of Bosnia" ranged from outlandish to flat-out made up. For example, George Jahn of the AP described this ghastly scene from Sarajevo:
"Burn their brains," he bellowed as his men targeted the nearly defenseless city from the hills above. At war’s end three years later, Sarajevo was a burned-out shell.
The actual quote was "Stretch their wits," and it was taken from radio transmissions allegedly intercepted by the Bosnian Muslims (it will be interesting to see if they can be authenticated at the trial). The "nearly defenseless" city harbored an entire army corps, with artillery. And the worst-bombed parts of Sarajevo in the end were the sections held by Mladic’s forces. But who needs pesky facts, when they get in the way of a good story?
Worse yet were the accounts of what happened in Srebrenica, a town in Eastern Bosnia captured from a brutal Muslim warlord in July 1995. Mladic personally oversaw the evacuation of civilians, while Muslim troops made a break from the town; the war crimes tribunal (ICTY) declared the deaths of those that didn’t survive the trek to be "genocide," stretching the definition to absurdity (PDF).
Although no two reports told exactly the same story – the only constants in reporting about Srebrenica are the "8,000" alleged dead, the phrase "men and boys," and the description along the lines of "Europe’s worst crime since the Nazis" – they all painted a vivid picture of Serbs raping, murdering and butchering innocent Muslim civilians as UN troops stood by and watched .None of that’s true.
Incongruously, AP reporters even managed to locate a boy who appeared in a famous photo with Mladic, who had ruffled his hair and given him chocolate. Izudin Alic now lives near Srebrenica, proof that the official story is utter nonsense.
The sort of hysterical hyperbole used to describe the events of the Bosnian War – the Egyptian judge who wrote Mladic’s original indictment in 1995 claimed that "children [were] killed before their mothers’ eyes, a grandfather forced to eat the liver of his own grandson" – does a colossal disservice to its actual victims. The horrors of war were quite ghastly enough on their own. Embellished to the point of snuff fiction, they morph into myth and fuel the flames of hatred. Perhaps this is why Bosnia is still mentally at war, 15 years after the guns fell silent.
Presumptions of Guilt
Six months ago, when a report by Swiss Senator Dick Marty accused the Albanian authorities in the self-proclaimed state of Kosovo of engaging in forcible harvesting and illicit trafficking of human organs, the media and officials in Washington and Brussels were very careful to maintain the presumption of innocence, and talked of need for hard evidence. That standard, however, does not apply in cases where they have already passed both verdict and sentence.
The other day, Geert Wilders, Dutch politician currently on trial for alleged "hate speech" against Islam, pointed out in his closing remarks that he was "being compared with the Hutu murderers in Rwanda and with Mladic." And in an essay complaining about the fuzzy definition of genocide employed by the ICTY, liberal luminary Ian Buruma first decided that Mladic looked guilty – "the kind of bull-necked, pale-eyed, snarling psychopath who would gladly pull out your fingernails just for fun" – and then expressed "no doubt that he is guilty of serious war crimes."
Why bother with a trial at all, then? Don’t you know there’s a depression on?
Who is Ratko Mladic?
In 1991, Ratko Mladic was a professional officer in the Yugoslav People’s Army. Born in 1943, he had never met his father, who was killed during WW2 by the Ustasha, Croatian Nazis conducting a genocidal campaign against the Serbs and Jews in what are today Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. Mladic went to military schools and was "groomed in the Titoist tradition of… trans-national Yugoslavism," wrote historian Srdja Trifkovic, a primary source in this instance. Per Trifkovic, Mladic "rediscovered his Serb roots in late middle age," when he was set in charge of the crumbling Yugoslav Army units in Dalmatia, and then in Bosnia.
Mladic arrived in Sarajevo following the "Dobrovoljacka massacre," in which Muslim militias ambushed the retreating Army convoy led by his predecessor, under the UN flag of truce. The ICTY never charged anyone in this case; the official on whose authority the militia acted was recently proclaimed a hero by the Bosnian Islamic community. Refusal of the Bosnian courts to even open the case underpinned the recent game of brinkmanship that culminated mid-May.
A skilled tactician, Mladic won many battles, but waged an unwinnable war. The Bosnian Serb strategy called for staking out a defensible territory, then negotiating with the Muslim regime in Sarajevo. That regime, however, absolutely refused to negotiate, fighting the war with CNN cameras rather than cannons in hope of intervention from the West.
In March 1992, Croatia tried to bypass the Vance Plan by invading Bosnia and encircling the Serb-inhabited west; Mladic and his troops thwarted this move, and maintained the lifeline "Corridor" till the end of the war. Serb politicians and officers, including Mladic, have said they were trying to prevent the repetition of WW2 events. This has been dismissed as propaganda – yet the fact that few Serbs remain in Croatia following Zagreb’s 1995 blitzkrieg speaks for itself.
Mladic and his civilian boss, Karadzic, were accused of war crimes by the ICTY in late 1995, as U.S. diplomat Richard Holbrooke endeavored to cut them out of the peace talks. There isn’t any doubt whatsoever that the decision to indict them was political.
That said, there are indeed serious questions concerning Sarajevo and Srebrenica, the true extent of the bombing, the executions of prisoners (which certainly happened) and whether Mladic sanctioned it or not. It is unlikely, however, that they will ever be answered in a show trial before the ICTY.
The Railroading
As most other Serb defendants in The Hague, Mladic is not charged with anything he actually did, but with being what he was – a senior military officer, and as such considered a part of the alleged "joint criminal enterprise" to establish an ethnically pure "Greater Serbia." The conspiracy is a myth; even under Milosevic, Serbia was more multi-ethnic than any other fragment of Yugoslavia (while Empire’s allies such as Croatia or "Kosovo" are notorious for ethnic purity). The ICTY’s own recent conviction of Croatian generals demolishes the conspiracy charge – which is why it will likely be overturned. Yet they persist in the conspiracy charge against the entire political, police and military leadership of the Serbs (from Krajina, Bosnia and Serbia itself), asserting in effect that the Serbs’ war aims were wholly illegitimate, while those of others were entirely valid.
Why? Because, as Mick Hume pointed out in 2008, the Empire needed Bosnia to give itself new meaning following the Cold War. To be a hero, the "white hat" of old Westerns, the Empire had to have a villain, the proverbial "black hat." It found one in the Serbs, a nation suddenly bereft of friends and beset by enemies looking for a powerful sponsor. And so, in the greatest propaganda coup of modern time, the victims of Nazi brutality were themselves declared Nazis reborn.
Before Bush II launched the Lost War of Terror, the Clintons "saved Bosnia" and "liberated Kosovo." Osama bin Laden had usurped the mantle of the chief "black hat" for almost a decade, but he was inconvenient, interfering with the forced perception of Islam as the "Religion of Peace" and plans for jihad as a tool of Washington’s strategic interests in Eurasia.
With Obama’s first term effectively the Clinton Restoration, the Balkans was once again trotted out as the great and noble rescue, invoked to justify military interventionism across the globe. It will become even more important now that Bin Laden is sleeping with the fishes. And even after 15 years, the wonks in Washington still cannot, or will not, see that the rescue was a sham, that the expected gratitude will never materialize, and that trying to use jihad as a weapon has already backfired once, and will do so again.
In order to maintain the delusion of Empire’s unchallenged dominion, for the bombs to continue to rain on Libya – and whoever else is next – Ratko Mladic and the Serbs need to be monsters in public perception, regardless of what they may or may not be in fact.
Read more by Nebojsa Malic
- Victory Day – May 10th, 2013
- Consenting to Rape – April 25th, 2013
- An Unexpected Refusal – April 12th, 2013
- Lawless: An Oddly Exceptional Empire – March 28th, 2013
- Illusion of Triumph – March 21st, 2013





gary
June 3rd, 2011 at 10:35 pm
hey maybe the pope will make RATko a saint
Sonja
June 4th, 2011 at 1:40 am
Thank you for another great article. Ever since Mladic's abduction I've been impatiently waiting for your post :)
Michael Kenny
June 4th, 2011 at 6:49 am
Nobody seriously believes that Mladic’s arrest was a coincidence. Indeed, he seems to have been aware of it in advance himself. Amusingly, though, it is precisely that aspect of things that is scaring the daylights out of the Empire’s supporters! The idea that the whole thing is a “stich-up” between the EU, the Serbian government and Mladic himself (to the exclusion of the Empire?) with a view to expediting Serbian entry into the EU is these people’s nightmare scenario! So, of course, the whole thing is presented as a Serbian “capitulation” to “Brussels bureaucrats” in the (totally unrealistic!) hope that it will have that effect. The Empire’s supporters are clutching at straws!
Chris Herz
June 4th, 2011 at 8:03 am
It is interesting to see the propagation of nationalistic ideals by demagogues in the larger EU — far outside of the Balkans. Can we expect similar results?
Tito, the Communist, and his project of a united Yugoslavia, was supported by the USA and NATO (with great reluctance) because of the Cold War. Once that was over big money could concentrate on eliminating a socialist canker.
This process now seems to be playing out on a far larger stage.
Bianca
June 4th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Article is missing the essence of imperial soul, and how it sucks new blood for its cause. Every empire uses the existing prejudices, fears, ambitions, greed or grievances to advance its goals. Every empire declares some people angels, others devils incarnate. Population in Moslem world heard of Bosnia throgh western media — and formed its prejudices. Serbian population, in turn, in this self-feeding loop, assumes the entire Moslem world is against them, and mock the "religion of peace" — gratifying the Empire's efforts to suck new blood for its religion of hate. Many Christian Orthodox people in this country are drifting towards the extermism in US politics that hates Islam. Nebojsa's artilce omits the alliance of Bosnian Serbs of Western Bosnia and Moslems of Fikret Abdic, a political prisoner in Croatia. He is the living proof that multi-faceted civil war, not genocide, happened in Bosnia. Yet, many Serbs will now rather be accussed of genocide them admit that they were allies — this is how far the imperial logic has penetrated and perverted the thinking of many. The hatred is the essence of imperial soul, and when you cave in to it — you become it. Remember, resistance is NOT futile.
Suvorov
June 4th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Actually, his heroes are those who killed Mladic's father.
Nebojsa Malic
June 4th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
There is only so much that can fit into an article like this, and it still ran exceptionally long – yes, I neglected to mention Abdic, but I have written about him elsewhere. I've also explained, years ago, that Izetbegovic and his ideas about radical Islam did not enjoy much support among the Bosnian Muslims early on – and even argued that he deliberately opted for a confrontation in order to radicalize the populace and establish himself as their hero, leader and savior (war being the health of the state and all).
It is hard to ignore the angle of radical Islam, given the mujahedin, the jihad grave markers, or the behavior of the top Muslim cleric in the country – yet I would argue there is still very little animosity towards Muslims or Islam *as such* among the majority of Bosnian Serbs. They don't care to be dominated by Islam, but as long as everyone keeps to their side of the fence, they don't mind coexisting. It is Izetbegovic who claimed such coexistence was impossible, and his heirs who persist in that belief, which represents the principal obstacle to peace in Bosnia.
Ian
June 4th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
More of the same from Malic, the Serbs have been victimized yet again and Ratko is innocent.
It is always some other group that is at fault and Ratko will be in prison for rest of his life, regardless
of the excuse made by the Serbs.
Rhoda
June 5th, 2011 at 1:45 am
Gary, what is your point here? At least have one opinion on basis of
the written article.
gary
June 5th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
rhoda….my point is that the writer is so sympathetic towards the serbs that it seems that they never did anything wrong and are always the victims
paleo
June 5th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
That may be, but it's only because it's reacting to the mainstream media viewpoint, which is that the Serbs are always wrong/aggressors/genocidal and their victims are the only victims.
These polemics never would have happened had the media done its job, investigated all sources rigorously, reported cautiously and impartially. Instead, the media pushed political agendas and lied and exaggerated things so that we are at the current state of affairs where Serb = Nazi.
And your point about the Pope is ignorant. The Pope just today went to visit the grave of Stepinac, Croatia's WWII archbishop of Zagreb, a man who authorized forced conversions of hundreds of thousands of Orthodox Serbs during WWII even as his clergy slaughtered hundreds of thousands more.
The Pope today took no pains to distance himself from Stepinac or Croatian rabid Catholic fanaticism – just as he took no pains to distance himself from Marko Perkovic Thompson, whom he personally greeted in the past:
http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/06/…
Read up on the sorts of songs Thompson sings in the 21st century. Here's a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_i_Gradi&sc…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xihcWpzIVc
It is precisely for this reason – because Croats and Bosnian Muslims were never de-Nazified – that the 1990s conflicts happened.
paleo
June 5th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
No offense Nebojsa – and you would know better since you lived there – but I suspect that the Bosnian Serbs that are generally OK with Bosnian Muslims are/were primarily young people such as yourself. I suspect the older generation and more importantly the one that waged the war in the 1990s had different sentiments on the issue.
A little anecdote: my mother's good friend at university in Belgrade was from Nevesinje in Herzegovina. She was young, open-minded, a philosophy student. She was dating a Muslim student from Sarajevo who was studying in Belgrade for a short while.
Her mother – also from Nevesinje – did nothing but cook pork for him. She muttered to my mother and other friends of her daughter's that "They're all Ustase. Every last one of them." ("Sve su to Ustase, listom Ustase."
This elderly woman was a survivor of what Muslim Ustase did in Nevesinje and as a girl fled to the Partisans. In her mind the Muslims were all eternally Ustase. Perhaps because in 1941 in Nevesinje, most Muslims who took up a gun or a dagger were doing it in service of the Ustase.
And – as might be expected – in 1992 several hundred Muslims in the Nevesinje region were killed by Bosnian Serb forces. I don't know the circumstances – how many were military and how many civilian – but it stands to reason that dozens of innocent civilians were killed.
I have no doubt in my mind that the sort of people who did atrocities on the Serb side – not only in Nevesinje but in other municipalities – were motivated by much the same things that motivated that elderly refugee Serb lady from Nevesinje to cook pork for her daughter's Muslim boyfriend and blast Muslims in private. She remembered what Muslims did in 1941-1945 in her town, and she would not and could not forgive it.
Now, with the 1990s conflict, the generation of the open-minded girl from Nevesinje and my mother, has imbibed an animus against Muslims and Croats that may not have existed had the war not occurred. Of course, the Muslims and Croats feel much the same vis-a-vis Serbs and perhaps each other. It's because of the cyclic nature of these conflicts (or genocide over the Serbs in the case of WWII) – every 20 or 30 or 50 or 70 years – that the ill-will will not die down. We would need several human lifetimes of peace and prosperity (a la Switzerland) to finally have peace in the region. Unfortunately, given Western meddling and increasingly Turkey's as well, that is unlikely to ever happen.
Bianca
June 5th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Thank you, Nebojsa. I understand the difficulty in trying to address such a complex topic. You do it better then anybody. I have noticed that many people, some old friends of mine have drifted into the mindless, ignorant hate of Islam in order to numb their pain or find explanations for what happend to them. But it is a copeout. Joining the chorus of primitivism, the "me too" demonization of islam, is not the answer. Serbs should never forget Fikret Abdic, as he is the living proof of what is wrong with the imperian Balkan narrative. Role of radical Islam, and of Saudi Arabia as a conduit should be better understood. The rich kingdom does not fund the zealots out of their beliefs. The royal bejewelled fingers would have rather spent money elsewhere, but the need to support US foreign policy was and is a principal motivator for funding "religion" from Pakistan to Balkans. The inheritors of Izetbegovic should know that myths, empires and their favorites will crash, as they always do. For the rest of us, not accepting the imperial religion of hate is the key to our humanity and survival.
Bianca
June 5th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Then I do not think you are reading carefully, or you are not familiar with the region. There is so much material dedicated to representing Moslem or even Croat point of view. Most of mainstream media had never stopped publishing one sided narrative. There is no need for Nebojsa to repeat that narrative. It is important to publish the information that is deliberately omitted or twisted to fit mainstream narrative. Sympathy is the game played by imperial press. Tugging on the hearthstrings of population, the horrific stories from Balkan s were the ticket to generating military conflict in Europe, and subsequent geopolitical consequences.
Chris
June 5th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Moron, do you have any evidence that shows anything factually wrong in what Malic wrote?
Hrebeljanovic
June 6th, 2011 at 12:28 am
Dear Bianca,
no Empire in the history of mankind had a soul. Just think of Caligula. Or for that matter, any "government" in the world.
I, for example, know that Mehmed Selimovic had a soul. I am a witness to the beauty of his soul, as well as many of the readers of his work. His word meant peace, so simple in his artistry.
Faceless entities such as "government" are long ago buried into the history.
You are absolutely right to bring up purposley forgotten Fikret Abdic. Serbs in Bosnia were much more afraid of him than the lowely Izetbegevic. He proved to be a man of peace and that's why he is nowhere to be found.
Ustasha 1941
June 6th, 2011 at 1:41 am
Ratko's father deserved to be killed.
Mauas
June 6th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
All Serbs living in Southern Serbia should wipe their zadnika on the glossy blue brussels pamphlets and take the train over to Sofija for the weekend to see the filthy poverty stricken reality of EU membership.
Hrebeljanovic
June 6th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Of course I did. Have you read mine?
You are right, I used the wrong word "afraid". What I meant, is that Fikret Abdic had the real support among Bosnian Muslim population. Not the extremist Izetbegovic. Fikret Abdic may have been the only leader in Bosnia who wanted peace. His reward is that he is in jail. It pains me just to think what happened at the end of the war in Cazin.
I love what you said about hatred, but it is the individual that is responsible for it, not a faceless entity.
Bianca
June 7th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
I remember how Croatia fooled Fikret Abdic to come and live there. Soon enough, it became clear that Croatia made some false promises to entice him to put his faith in authorities there. The charges against him are unbelievably flimsy, as Croatia — if anything — was an agressor in Bosnia against Abdic's forces. Kangaroo trial does not start to describe the shameless politics of that court. And he will remain a political prisoner, because his very existence can destroy imperial narrative about Bosnia.
Only individuals can conquer hate. That does not mean caving in to lies, or avoiding controversial and painfull problems. Unfortunately, political processes in today's societies are designed to create conflicts, to divide people, to slice and dice their special interests, hopes and fears. Empires take this principle and apply it to entire nations and regions.
Today, individual cannot find support anywhere, as even religions are faltering in the face of imperial artificial morality and the world inured to lies.
Hrebeljanovic
June 8th, 2011 at 12:13 am
"Today, individual cannot find support anywhere,…"
Yup, you are right that religions are being taken over by dumb asses, but you are wrong about individual support because you have mine even when we disagree on certain issues. I've read your comments and I know you have a pure heart. So, pardon my simplicity, it is up to all individuals on antiwar.com to keep the light shining on.
Sasha Glisovic
June 8th, 2011 at 5:16 am
You know? when you think about it little, maybe giving up Ratko Mladic now can serve a holy purpose for the Serbian nation! Though giving himup is betrayal of the holy cause which is CCCC
and 700 Fricken years old defending True Christendom in the Balkens, It still maybe possible to get a fair trial
since most of the corrupt Judges have faded! I believe if you ask Radovan Karadzic you maybe surprised at his Answer!
Almedin Lipjankic
June 9th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I cannot believe that antiwar actually has a writer like Nebojsa here on antiwar. All the false serb propaganda written on here by him just makes me sick to my stomache. The aggressor in Bosnia were the Serbs, and thats a known fact. Most of the innocent civilians that were killed were Bosnian muslims. There was nothing radical about izetbegovic or the muslims in Bosnia. The muslims of Bosnia were only fighting for their survival. The massacare and Genocide in Srebrenica and other Areas in Bosnia cannot be denied. Ratko Mladic is a war criminal in my opinion, and deserves to be sentenced. After almost 16 years they play the Mladic card, trying to get into the EU, the serbs, that is.
Almedin Lipjankic
June 9th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I have many friends from Srebrenica, who lived there during the war, one of the who was shot at by a serbian sniper, when he was 13 years old. I have many friends who do not have brothers or fathers because they were murdered in cold blood, and they were not part of the army, they were innocent civilians. Some of them even murdered before their own eyes. I am very disapointed that Antiwar actually has a writer on here who writes all these articles that include nothing but lies about the Bosnian War. Where were you during the Bosnian War Nebojsa? And how do you know for a fact what did and did not happen?
Stanislav Kalenic
June 10th, 2011 at 7:10 am
I propose a small change in the antiwar.com policy of publishing comments. Any comment with 9 or more negative remarks should be deleted. From what I have seen so far there are "readers" who come (not only with their own agenda) but with a clear intent to usurp, disrupt and re-route the topic, discredit the writer, offend some other poster, etc. etc.
9 strikes – you're out.
Suvorov
June 10th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Obviously, I cannot speak for antiwar.com, but I personally would be against such a change in policy. For one thing, I don't agree that the quality of a comment can always be determined by how many thumbs up/down it received. Why encourage the lazy habits of mind that dictate following what's popular instead of following what's good? My experience also tells me that it is typically those who do not seek the truth but have much less noble objectives who tend to fear the opposing viewpoint the most. I don't think that readers of this site should be treated like children who cannot tell when someone is using dirty techniques to discredit the author. These techniques are readily apparent even to those who are not too experienced in the field. Most commonly one of them would just call the author a liar without ever specifying what exactly was a lie. Some of them engage in sweeping generalizations about the "Serbian character" or "Serbian mind" as a way of avoiding concrete discussion. Some others have threatened to never again donate even a cent to antiwar.com as long as Mr. Malic continues to write for it (though it is doubtful that they had ever donated even less). One of these specimen tried to question one of the comments I made from "purely linguistic" standpoint, even claiming that he didn't understand what I said (why did he give it thumbs down then?), even though the meaning was perfectly clear to him and everyone else. Thus by casting doubt upon my grammar, he aimed to question my content by association. Needless to say, these types are in the habit of constantly changing their identities. Unfortunately for them, none of these techniques suffice in fulfilling their goal. For anyone can see how short they last whenever they actually do engage in a discussion. Therefore, why deprive them of the ability to compromise themselves?
I do concede that Voltaire expressed this thought much more concisely and eloquently than I:
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Besides, from a purely practical standpoint, would you like your own comments to be deleted whenever nine or more Ustase give them thumbs down?
Almedin Lipjankic
June 11th, 2011 at 1:18 am
I actually like what antiwar is about, and all the news they usually post, and the stories that are written. Now when it comes to Bosnia, this is something I know about, and I have alot of information about, so when I see posts written that kind of give the wrong picture and lies about actually what happend, it actually makes me sick. Rhoda first of all who are you to know what did and did not happen to even give you the right to comment on a topic you know nothing about? Talking about the Turkish occupation? Do you even know how long ago that was? I'm talking about something that happened in my life, and the life of my parents, friends and close family. Now you say we are the onces to start the war? That must be the dumbest comment I have ever read anywhere. Why don't you go do some research and quit posting bs on these boards. Thank you.
Almedin Lipjankic
June 11th, 2011 at 1:29 am
Thumbs up or down has nothing to do with this. I'm sure most of us could get people to thumbs up/down a certain comment or artice if we wanted to. Through facebook, or find people that have simiar feelings on the topic. So that does not make any difference at all.
The world knows what happened in Bosnia, and in places like Srebrenica. There is proof, like video, whitnesses, and mass graves that were dug up, and keep being found of all the evil that happened during the war. The terror that was put on civilians, having to flee their homes, put in prison style camps, being executed, and raped, mutulated and so on.
Almedin Lipjankic
June 11th, 2011 at 1:30 am
Now I have nothing against Serbs, or the nation of Serbia, or people that call themselves that.
I'm not saying that Serbia is evil, or all the people that live that are. In fact there are alot of good people everywhere on both sides, who did not want war, and who opposed such actions. Myself I am always against war and civilians being killed, no matter where they are from and what religion they are. And theres alot of stuff that happens that goes both ways, in what maybe the Bosnian side also did to the Serbs during the war in retaliation that wasn't right.
All I know is that you cannot deny who the aggressor was, what happened, and where most of the innocent civilians were killed in cold blood, such as Srebrenica.
Almedin Lipjankic
June 11th, 2011 at 3:20 am
I just have to post another reply to your comment. I cannot believe how stupid you must be.
Last 3-4 sentences. Do not blame the victims. You are the ones to start the war. Serbs didn't start the war and didn't have any interest for it? That must be the dumbest thing written on here this year! The Serbs attacked all their neighbors! Albania, Croatia and Bosnia!!! They were the aggressors, so how can they be the victims? Thats like saying the Nazis in the early 40s were the "victims". Please go do some research and find out some facts about the wars in the 90s before you post on here again, because you sound like a complete IDIOT!
Rhoda
June 12th, 2011 at 10:57 am
To Almedin Lipjankic/2: When I posted my opinion regarding your complaint about N.Malic columns printed in A/W I did not expect that I will be called IDIOT. You do not know my background or level of education. Also, you do not know that you are talking to the person who experienced the centuries of displacement and genocide up to the this latest civil war in ex-Yugoslavia. My family was whipped out
during WWII (Looong time ago!) only for one reason, to be of wrong
religion and ethnicity. I did not learn this thru the paid PR du jour. I learned that the hard way as a survivor with memories and lifelong
education in history and in several languages.
When all perpetrators get deserved punishment there will be peace in the area. So far the justice was very selective due to the political considerations and interests at the present time.
I believe that we are of the same ethnicity and of different religion
which was thru the centuries played a tragic role. I believe that you are a young person. As, that Serb attacked Albania, Croatia, Bosnia
you are talking nonsenses. Remember one thing: the alliances are very tricky and as long as they are needed.
You should do research – it's very obvious. Nothing else to say to you – just enjoy your ignorance.
One SURVIVOR with memories.
3oka
June 14th, 2011 at 5:56 am
Actually that massacre happened in March 1992, before the assassination took place.
It was ment to be a trigger for the Serbs uprising but since that hasn't happened, assassination in Sarajevo took place as a second try.
Obviously this time it was too much and Serbs didn't have a choice.
When trying to unfold the film from 20 years or so ago it looks that timing is often more important than actual event.
paleo
June 14th, 2011 at 7:20 am
The assassination took place on March 1. The Sijekovac massacre took place on March 26. I'm not sure if you have some other event in mind.
As expected, the Sijekovac event is one of the most suppressed events of the entire conflict. The wikipedia entry calls it "controversial" and presents the victims as soldiers. Many other sources say it was civilians and soldiers mixed, and I can't find a solid figure for the number of victims (I've seen ~20, ~50, and 82). The video clips I've seen indicate extensive devastation, including arson of homes.
It's quite obvious why it's suppressed, along with the Kostres massacre near Derventa (April 3, where 66 persons were murdered and Serb girls were raped and had their throats cut by Alija Selimagić, Mujčin Sead, Enes Havić, Bećir Hodžić). It completely turns the "greater Serbia" and "Serb aggression" story on its head. It was aggression by militant Muslims (and Croats) against Serb civilians that precipitated a violent Serb response.
The Muslims were preparing a terror campaign against the Serbs and initiated the conflicts in many if not most of the war areas. The thug Alija Gusalic initiated the conflict in Bijlejina and some sources indicate that Izetbegovic was angry with him because he set the area on fire one month too soon. Evidently, the Muslims needed more time to prepare and were planning on launching the all-out attack on the Serbs (via the Patriotic League) in May or later rather than in April.
3oka
June 14th, 2011 at 11:05 am
My evidence says 64 people.
Unfortunately I personally know two of them S. and his wife P. Milakovic both around 55 – 60 years old. I slept over once in their home… such a nice people.
It was an attack launched from Croatia across Sava river and thugs wore Croatian ZNG uniformes and insignia. Half of them were Muslims half Croats… close alies from WWII I guess.
Bianca
June 17th, 2011 at 9:25 am
You are your worst enemy. Calling people stupid. Demanding that others do "research" before posting here again, calling people "complete idiots" — shows amply that you have your own version of reality that does not admit to the possibility that your narrative may not be complete, or even truthfull. Many on this site are here, because this is the ONLY site where painfull episode of Balkan wars can be opened up. Not everyone is always right or wrong. But for as long as people are accepted as genuinely seeking to understand, humanity wins! And please stop invoking "genocide" in Bosnia. Bosnian Moslems and Serbs fought together and died together throughout the war protecting western Bosnia from Izebegovic forces. Remember, Izetbegovic killed his OWN people all those years. Bosnia was a Balkan civil war. Try to forgive our primitive Balkan people. They have no sophisticated weapons that can kill people with unmanned drones in their sleep. In Balkans, this is done the nasty, primitive, in your face way. There is no side in this civil war that did not commit attrocities.
Bianca
June 17th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Thank You.
Kathryn
June 17th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
My roll model is "Jesus". If you have another that is fine with me.When you live long enough you realize that the majority of people are like yourself, peace loving. When we die, we may be gone forever, or maybe there is another golden place. However, look at the world and ask yourself if the supreme being or beings, like what they see. Do they like Croats any better than Bosnian Muslims or do they like Serbians better. They like individuals of all of them, but they cannot do much with those who want to destroy all the beauty of the world and that includes people. When will this world ever be a place of love and beauty and no more ugliness and wars?
It is up to us. We have to stop hating.
ouch
June 20th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Kathryn and Bianca,
do you have any idea how hard it is to forget if someone perpetrates a harm to you and still calls you the guilty one? I wish I could assume the "Jesus" nature and forgive them all. My grandfather and my father were killed in WWII by ustasas. In 91 my brother was struck with Croatian random artilery shell on his head without being in any real battle. After a week of sufering in a hospital he died. His Croatian wife survived among the Serbs and still has good relations with most of relatives and friends. We never blaimed her for anything that happend. When People like Almedin Lipjankic starts spewing venom on everybody who is Serbian makes my blood start boiling. That is exactly the case when I feel so glad and thankful for a person knowledgable, experienced, objective and factual like Mr. Malic for stepping in and gives the other side of the story. Your story Almedin has been overused. Most of the public are ready to hear now the rest of the story.
Still, if not touched in my wounds I don't have strangth to hate even those criminals. Mostly I feel sorry for them
Milivoj Asner
June 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Second World War stories about Serb suffering from Ustashas always make me laugh. I can't help myself, really. Whenever I want to have good laugh and much fun, I go to those websites where Serbs whine about the "genocide" committed against them. It's like watching Charlie Chaplin movies to me. Regardless of whether things they tell are true or invented.
ouch
June 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 am
OK Asner (lover),
I see and have seen behavior like that. That exacatly proves my point why feeling sorry for that kind of people. Yor kind has never gone thru catharsis and operates on the basis of false believs. I'd probably be the same way if the mighiest religion and idiology has brought me up the way you have been brought up. Why would all that worldwide propaganda before and especially during 90-ies have been neccesary? The truth for you was not suficient.
May God be with you and keep laughing, but please not at the expence of somebodies misfortune..
conumishu
June 23rd, 2011 at 10:04 am
The sky is blue and we all gonna die. The universe is vast and there's room for everyone.
Maybe. But when my sky is darkened with shells and sorrow, when I'm allowed glimpses of beauty only if I swallow lots of lies, priorities change a bit.
Same blue sky may appear over the lord's mansion, through the bars of the slave's cage or above the trench where you're pinned down by machinegun fire. One may sip a refreshing drink, other might be hungry and ill and hopeless. Should be a balance even for admiring or putting beauty first, otherwise seems too much like a desperate attempt to generate endorphines to calm down one's inner turmoil.
former Milivoj Asner
June 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 am
OK, I changed my mind. I see my mistake now.
But I disagree on Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia is an evil creation which caused much suffering.
rhoda
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Grace to Yugoslavia you got something that you did not have for centuries,
your state. You did come to Yugoslavia as a A/H vassals with nothing except
aspirations. I would advice you to go to school and get some education of the
world in general. You are only beneficiary of Yugoslavia -otherwise you will be responding to genocide. I am actually sorry for your lack of conscience.
Nothing to brag about as a Croat. You belong to one hybrid nation with no
real identity.