George Packer and the Unfathomable
Why did an American soldier murder Afghan children in their beds?
We’ve heard all about staff sergeant Robert Bales, who murdered 16 Afghan civilians – most of them children – and is now being held by the US military, although he has yet to be formally charged. We’ve heard about his alleged PTSD, his marital problems, his “good deeds,” the shock and surprise of his friends and neighbors who thought he was a wonderful guy. But what about the victims? Who are they? What about their families? Why haven’t we heard much of anything about them?
The answer to this last question is fairly obvious: with the American media, it’s all about … the Americans! Never mind the Afghans: they’re just “collateral damage.” The real “human interest” story here is about Bales, for whom the excuse-making has already begun. He’s hired himself an expensive lawyer – the same one who defended the “Barefoot Bandit” – and Fox News is already playing him up as some kind of hero, or, at least, a sympathetic figure to be pitied rather than punished.
As for the victims, they are nameless, faceless stick figures, at least in nearly all US news accounts: their fate is no more a concern than the fate of the hundreds of thousands who died in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else the US boot alights. This carnage is simply the price of empire, which our news media takes into account with barely a nod as it “reports” on our various wars of conquest. As Madeleine Albright put it when asked about the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi children and elderly due to US sanctions: “We think the price is worth it.” Madame Albright wasn’t just speaking for the US government when she uttered those words, but giving expression to a widely held – albeit implicit – belief: that the victims of US foreign policy are worth less than the supposed beneficiaries (i.e. us).
In searching for some reporting on the victims of the Bales massacre, I came across a single story, published on the website of National Public Radio, which starts out with this gut-wrenching lede:
“Afghans say they’re so inured to civilians killed in wars that they bury their dead and move on. That’s not so easy for Muhammad Wazir. He lost his mother, his wife, a sister-in-law, a brother, a nephew, his four daughters and two of his sons in last week’s mass shooting in two villages.
“’My little boy, Habib Shah, is the only one left alive, and I love him very much,’ says Wazir.
“The boy cried next to his father as Wazir spoke by cellphone. The 4-year-old is his favorite, Wazir says, and that’s why he took the boy as he traveled to the eastern side of Kandahar province last week. While they were away, tragedy struck their tiny mud brick village in Panjwai district, southwest of Kandahar City.”
Imagine coming home from a business trip to discover 11 family members had been murdered – by the very people who are supposedly “protecting” them! I imagine little Habib is going to join the Taliban when he grows up, or perhaps even before then. We have earned such enemies many times over, in many different places all over the world. And when they exact vengeance, we whine and cry and squeal about “terrorism.” Has a more narcissistic, callous, willfully blind people ever existed anywhere on earth? The Romans, for all their brutality, never expected mercy from their enemies, and the British, for all their arrogance, at least tried to mollify the natives. We, on the other hand, don’t care to even know about the suffering of our foreign subjects: we blank out their cries of despair. Only NPR is reporting that father’s lament: “All my dreams are buried.”
Yes, I know it’s a lot easier to comb through records in America: the US military no doubt has the entire district in which the atrocity occurred on lockdown, and reporting from Afghanistan isn’t easy. Yet NPR managed to get a reporter in there: where is the rest of the “mainstream” media?
Well, they’re busy combing through public records here in America, interviewing Bales’s friends and family: in short, they’re taking the easy path. This has revealed some interesting facts about the accused killer, which deviates from the “he-was-a-lover-of-puppy-dogs-and-a-patriot” narrative we’ve been getting so far.
Yes, it’s true he signed up for the military right after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and by all accounts was a fervent believer in the American cause in Iraq. He is quoted in a “news” article published on the US Army’s web site in 2009 saying that, during the battle of Najaf,
“’I’ve never been more proud to be a part of this unit than that day,’ Bales said now a member of 2-3 Inf. headquarters, ‘for the simple fact that we discriminated between the bad guys and the noncombatants and then afterward we ended up helping the people that three or four hours before were trying to kill us. I think that’s the real difference between being an American as opposed to being a bad guy, someone who puts his family in harm’s way like that.”
The difference between being an American as opposed to being a bad guy: I wonder
how many Afghans make that increasingly elusive distinction? How many Iraqis?
To a great
deal of the rest of the world, the Americans are the bad guys. As
the US presses on with its endless wars of conquest “liberation,”
undeterred by the growing
hatred generated worldwide by Washington’s arrogance, one wonders how and
when we’ll feel the “blowback” inevitably coming our way.
While it’s normal for questions to arise out of something as horrific as this mass killing, it is downright weird to read the dozens of sympathetic accounts of Bales’s life before he became a mass murderer. The excuse-making of the right-wing pundits on Fox News is one thing: that, after all, is to be expected. Far creepier, however, are the some of the more “complex” explanations for Bales’s crime, notably one proffered by Iraq war supporter and neocon-enabler George Packer, in the New Yorker, who denounces “the smugness of the antiwar crowd” and instructs us to avoid “easy condemnations.” After all, says Packer,
“Three deployments over six years in Iraq, including one during the “surge” with intense fighting. A wound that cost him part of his foot, then a head injury in a vehicle accident. Frustration at being unable to find and kill the enemy. Over the years, as the deployments pile up and the mission gets lost, he starts to sound jaded, coarsened. Ten years in, he misses out on being promoted to sergeant first class, and he doesn’t land the recruiting job he wanted, or the coveted posting to Germany or Italy. Instead, he’s sent back to the wars—this time to a remote combat outpost in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, where he sees a buddy lose a leg to a land mine.
“Back home, his wife loses her job when Washington Mutual goes under, and there are mortgage problems on their house in Washington state. You couldn’t write a more succinct history of what went wrong in the decade after September 11th.”
Packer goes on to aver that “In a sense, none of these facts matter,” while going on about the “bright line” between murdering children in their sleep and the effects of PTSD or “whatever.” But in what sense does it matter?
On this subject, Packer is less precise. He complains about “the tiny number of Americans who belong to our all-volunteer military.” Everybody, in his view, should have the opportunity to become a war criminal. He goes on to imply we all bear some mysterious collective responsibility, because we haven’t paid enough attention to the conflict. His main concern, however, is to counter those “smug” antiwar types:
“It’s easy and currently fashionable to sneer at the entire ten-year effort. To say that it was doomed from the start, and no one but a fool would try to change Afghanistan. Didn’t we learned anything from the British and the Soviets? Wasn’t this the graveyard of empires? When would we ever realize we can’t police the world or occupy Muslim countries? It looks pretty obvious now. It gets less obvious when you go back to where we were after September 11th and give it an honest reckoning.”
We didn’t know: we couldn’t know. It’s not my fault!
Packer is particularly sensitive to the question of fault, as are all the “liberal hawks” who danced to the War Party’s tune back when it was popular to do so. Now that it’s not so popular, particularly in the salons where a top New Yorker writer cares to be seen, he – like so many others – wants to absolve himself, even if he can’t entirely cover his tracks.
Packer is right, however, to characterize Bales’s litany of pre-massacre troubles as a “succinct history of what went wrong in the decade after September 11th.” As reporters delve more deeply into Bales’s history the initial narrative of the patriotic Good Soldier is giving way to a darker portrait of a one-time financial shark who ripped off an investor for over a million dollars and then shortly afterward joined the US military for perhaps the same reasons one joins the French Foreign Legion.
At the height of the real estate bubble Sgt. Bales and his wife bought not one but two houses: when the bubble burst, they lost one to foreclosure almost immediately – but not before it was condemned by the local authorities. Since they couldn’t pay for it, they figured, why not let it fall into serious disrepair? Like all too many American homeowners during the heady days of the real estate craze, they used their two homes as cash cows, constantly refinancing and remortgaging until the market crashed and their indebtedness caught up with them. Days before the murders Bales’s wife put their second home on the market.
Bales also had a few brushes with the law: a conviction for assault at a motel involving a former girlfriend, which resulted in him being assigned to take “anger management” classes. His anger sated – or else stored away for later use – he subsequently went on to become involved in a car wreck: he fled from the scene and was found in the woods by police officers, his head bleeding from a wound. That about sums up the life of Robert Bales: one long flight from responsibility.
In this, Bales is surely a man of his time. His is the American story, circa 2012. In spite of a judgement against Bales in a court of law, that investor who lost a million eventually gave up pursuing Bales for the bucks. In spite of credible reporting that shows the battle of Najaf was an unjustifiable massacre of religious pilgrims rather than a battle against the “bad guys,” Bales boasted of how “proud” he was to have been a part of it.
Look how changeable is this creature, Boobus Americanus: one minute he’s saying how different we are because we separate the “good guys” from the “bad guys,” and before you know it he’s murdering Afghan children in their beds and burning their bodies beyond recognition. One minute he’s signing papers solemnly swearing he’ll pay back his many mortgages, and the next he’s in default and walks away. A flight from debt, a flight from responsibility, a flight from reality – all the evasions flow easily into one another, like the currents of a river.
A child has limited responsibility for his or her actions, which is why children are treated differently than adults under the law. A child has no real conception of the laws of cause and effect, let alone the laws of morality: a mentally competent adult, however, is characterized as such by his knowledge of the difference between right and wrong. I have every expectation the defense is going to try to prove Bales had lost that knowledge, at least temporarily, but I would argue that, as a typical American of the new millennium, Bales never acquired any such knowledge in the first place.
An unnaturally extended childhood is the hallmark of the typical American, especially the males, and in an age in which the very concept of morality is unfashionable –will you please stop being so “judgmental”! – it is no longer considered either necessary or desirable to know right from wrong. How many times are we confronted with that old standby “Who are you to judge?” No one is to blame for anything: we’re a nation of victims. PTSD, financial problems, marital woes, battlefield injuries – Packer entertains all these excuses, holds them up to the light, and in the end confesses he cannot fathom Bales’s motives or mental state. When the history of our war in Afghanistan is written, he avers,
“I hope Sergeant Bales will appear in these accounts not as a symbol of the American heart of darkness, or a victim of a heartless military machine and a checked-out public, or a case study of post-traumatic stress disorder, but as the author—if he is—of the single worst episode of the war, for reasons that might remain known only to him.”
Cliches with vague literary allusions like “heart of darkness” don’t quite cover it, although there is something undeniably dark about a race of spoiled children wreaking such unprecedented havoc on the world stage. Even more sinister, however, is the macabre belief of these overgrown children that they are an “exceptional” race, the agency by which the world is to be saved from itself. A mass murderer with a messiah complex – that about sums up the way in which we are seen, today, by the rest of the world. Sgt. Bales simply took it upon himself to act out this role in real life: that’s why Packer, who cheered as we “liberated” Iraq, and will no doubt cheer louder when the bombs begin falling on Tehran, cannot fathom it, doesn’t want to fathom it, and won’t ever fathom it.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
I have a review of Glenn Greenwald’s recent book, With Liberty and Justice for Some, in the current issue of The American Conservative. The piece is online here.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





Disgusted
March 20th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Kudos to a brutally honest and truthful account of this VILLAIN and the willful naievete of the American public. The mainstream media is providing a sympathetic narrative, ad nauseum. Only problem is, this guy was an SOB from way back so more damaging news keeps surfacing almost daily.
JBeale
March 20th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Bales's good guys versus bad guys attitude and the fact that he "signed up for the military right after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and by all accounts was a fervent believer in the American cause in Iraq" are probably sufficient in and of themselves to explain this massacre.
Were these murders really worse morally than all the other killing we have been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Wondering what readers think. Thank you for another excellent article Justin.
Sam
March 20th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
I read every essay he writes, and this is one of Justin Raimondo's best essays, with the power of Thomas Wolfe in its eloquence. Packer's statement about the "tiny number" in the U.S. military is 180 degrees from reality and is why I have no hope for the antiwar movement. Count the number in the miltary, then their famiy members, then the suppliers to the military, then the workers and family members of the suppliers, then the car dealers and merchants who survive on the payments from the first two groups. The result is a society that depends on miltary spending. I think a tipping point has been reached. So many people depend directly or indirectly on militarism that the process cannot be reversed. Endless wars, endless war monuments, endless money for "heroes"
Poster
March 20th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Packer is an Israeli Firster.
Duglarri
March 20th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Were these murders morally worse? Does distance matter? I think it does.
Something truly dreadful has happened when mechanical distance is no longer required.
The good, nice young Canadian bomber crews who during World War 2 who burned all those German women and children to death in their shelters would never have dreamed of walking up to a little child and strangling it, or of taking a blowtorch to a teenage girl. The fact that they didn't see it up close made it possible.
But there have been cultures that produce men who will walk up to little children, pick them up by the legs, and dash their brains out against a rock. There seems to have been thousands of ordinary German servicemen willing to do that in that same war.
The military walks a fine line in convincing its members to kill, largely by de-humanizing the targets. When the military sets out with this objective and succeeds completely, as the Nazis did, men will do these terrible things.
So yes, the distance does matter; and this event shows that something truly terrible has happened.
Ben_C
March 20th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
This whole situation is absurd. The man methodically left his base, walked a few miles into a town, and shot innocent civilians dead. Then he proceeded to set some of the dead bodies on fire…
I caught some of the 'lame-stream' media coverage of this "situation" in passing. I heard one commentator say something to the effect: "he 'just' went over the 'deep end'"…yeah, that's it…the guy "just went over the deep end"…this is perfectly understandable.
I wonder what would need to happen to actually upset the 'lame-stream' and the American people as a whole? Would Bales need to sodomize the dead bodies of the children he killed and subsequently burned? We all know how 'sex sells'… Maybe Bales would need to proceed to eat the dead bodies of the children he shot and subsequently burned… Maybe that's the next step, who knows?
We're so screwed…
sherban
March 20th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I also think that this article is one of the best read by me.Maybe i didn't read enough but is the first time when i see written that the basic sentiment of the common American is not the "generosity" which pushes him to "help"others but a sentiment of race superiority which pushes him to give orders and impose his will to others.This canceled the frequently used explication :"if Americans will know".But the problem is that Boobus Americanus can't know.If such an article will be treat about Boobus Israelus then the world will be ,for sure,healed.
Bianca
March 20th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
One of the best things I read in a long time. Very, very sobering. There is something about lack of adults in our culture. Nothing is "to be judged", everything is OK. There is something about the role of the religion in our society as well that is disturbing. Religious institutions have become corporate dealerships selling the sense of spirituallity in a country that has entirely lost the meaning of it. And in the process, people have started worshiping themselves. Such people cannot possibly have the sense of responsibility, or the need to control themselves. How can you tell God to behave?
I remember distictly when I first had the troubling thought of perenial adolescence. It was movie — the American Beauty. I remember myself thinking with horror: I saw not a single mature adult in that story.
Shackleford
March 21st, 2012 at 12:02 am
Mr. Raimondo,
As a libertarian I assume you believe that in the US a man is assumed innocent until proven guilty. This guy is no exception. Do you want to suspend this most basic right?
Let the facts come in. For example, get the bullets from the victims and see which weapon or weapons discharged them. Let all the evidence come out in a court martial. If you don't like the result, and believe justice was not served, then by all means critique the process.
But prepare yourself for a lengthy process. Major Hasan committed his crime in November 2009 and won't stand trial until June 2012. Let Bales have the same justice.
This mob mentality to lynch this guy is a little troubling.
DHC
March 21st, 2012 at 3:13 am
By your logic, do you then assume bin Laden is still innocent?
Margaret
March 21st, 2012 at 4:55 am
Wow, wow, wow. This column moved me deeply and I am a regular here at AntiWar.com. I believe you have gone straight to the heart of the problem ! I have complained about the lack of personal responsibility in our society for years but you have stated it so clearly here that I am sending this to everyone I know. Bravo Justin! Keep writing, you give me hope.
justsayin
March 21st, 2012 at 4:55 am
Well, according to the FBI there was "no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0…
Mark
March 21st, 2012 at 5:15 am
So we are to pity the American soldiers that are stressed due to multiple deployments and have financial problems? What about the Afghans and Iraqis that have had a war, over which they have no control, dropped in their lap? I guess seeing "your buddies" injured and having your house "underwater" is worse than having battles in your front yard that kill your kids.
As far as convicting Bales in the court of public opinion; does it matter if the soldier's name is Bales, Brown, Smith or Jones? This is an indictment of the American Empire and its slaughter of innocents. Of that there is little in the way of innocence.
liberal
March 21st, 2012 at 5:31 am
"As a libertarian I assume you believe that in the US a man is assumed innocent until proven guilty. This guy is no exception. Do you want to suspend this most basic right?"
You're a moron. This isn't a court of law; this is the court of public opinion.
Do you go around professing the innocence of OJ Simpson, who after all was acquitted in a court of law?
liberal
March 21st, 2012 at 5:32 am
Excellent column, Justin.
liberal
March 21st, 2012 at 5:32 am
"On this subject, Packer is less precise. He complains about 'the tiny number of Americans who belong to our all-volunteer military.' Everybody, in his view, should have the opportunity to become a war criminal."
Heh. Well said!
@lesterhalfjr
March 21st, 2012 at 6:01 am
the people who supported the middle east wars are flailing now. I read a column by Victor Davis hanson the other day in which he talks abuot how sick of war he is and Americans are. 5 years ago he would have been called an anti semite for saying such things, possibly by himself. IN it he offered no solutions. he realized the whole thing was a disaster but it was beyond him to point to another course.
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MvGuy
March 21st, 2012 at 6:45 am
the EMPIRE does NOT want any hinderance to their occupation of terror…… "Keep them afraid, very afraid" is their motto….. Hearts and minds…??? Save it for the suckers… We learned these lessons in Viet Nam: Mai Lai, remember..?? Since we have been lulled into group ignorance by the WORST of mankind among us…. Murder as as prime time entertainment, did I mention torture…?? Sweep it under the rug and pump their oil, gas & blood…!!! Depleted uranium to kill not only the poor people in the resource area, but our troops too. Gotta keep those long costs down to buy more guns, bombs, planes, drones, politicians and governments. As I remember it, the Taliban was told, either do business with US and we will bring you a carpet of money, or do business with THEM and we will bring you a carpet of bombs……. Too bad they chose them…
One of America's most prominent reporters Seymore Hirsh alleges that children were raped while their mothers were forced to watch…… in attempts to locate their husbands… At Abu Gharab…. Was there an investigation to determine the veracity of those claims…?? No, the entire episode was treated with utter indifference, and silence….. Moreover, it was scuttled down the memory hole of American political talk……. wiped clean from our conciousness… Try to find the video of Hirsh making this accusation at the American Civil Liberties Union convention…. The last place I was able to find it was on Press TV [Iran}
~~~~~~~ "Dana Rohrabacher with the TalibanIf this seems strange to you then look closely at the picture and you will see Congressman Rohrabacher on the right dressed in Taliban garb. Mr. Karzai’s elder brother was a Taliban and both used to live in Quetta Pakistan. Part of his family still lives there. Mr. Hamid Kiimself is a self-professed Taliban who was proposed as the UN Ambassador of the Taliban government. During this days as a Conoco representative Mr. Karzai reportedly received lots of money from Enron and Conocoto get the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline off the ground.
Dana Rohrabacher is Congressman for 46th congressional district. The 46th district includes the whole of the Palos Verdes Peninsula, Costa Mesa, Fountain Valley, Huntington Beach, Seal Beach, andAvalon on the island of Catalina. Also included are parts of Long Beach, San Pedro, Garden Grove, Santa Ana, and Westminster. Rohrabacher has accepted money from Jack Abramoff. He is pictured here with the Taliban"
So the president of Afghanistan is a Conoco guy..?? DUH..!!! http://rupeenews.com/usa/the-taliban-was-a-constr…
Drake
March 21st, 2012 at 6:56 am
While Fox news is making Bradley Manning the criminal of the century, they are making excuses for Sgt. Bales.
Kolya_Krassotkin
March 21st, 2012 at 7:16 am
A retiree in Ohio has accused Bales of defrauding him of over a million dollars of his savings when Bales was a stock broker. Put this charge together with all the wrong things Bales has been proven to have done and it becomes clear that he's a sociopath, a type quite common in America today. If he hadn't murdered those innocent Afghanis, he would have had a bright future with Goldman-Sachs when he got back to the US.
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masmanz
March 21st, 2012 at 9:03 am
Major Hasan has already been convicted in the court of public opinion. And, along with him 1.5 billion other Muslims who had nothing to do with what he did.
Where are the Christians condemning the act of this mass murderer? Most are just busy in finding one excuse or another.
He should be extradited to Afghanistan where he committed the crime.
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March 21st, 2012 at 9:13 am
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Offenbach
March 21st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Where are all of the "Law and Order" Republicans now? Bales (and probably many others) murdered women and . . . CHILDREN . . why is there no cry from the rooftops for his/their "head(s)?"
JohnDowser
March 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
If this is true:
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/03/18/afghan-probe-m…
then Justin's article could be understood in a way more chilling manner. Just imagine the amount of irresponsibles in the military and elsewhere holed up reacting to dreams collapsing and hurt exposing.
liberranter
March 21st, 2012 at 11:06 am
"You're a moron."
Ah, yes, that opening "ad hominem" salvo, the surest way to prove the strength of one's argument.
So, now that you've squeezed off your best shot, what is your position on Shackleford's assertion that Staff Sergeant Bales is owed due process of law? Are you in favor of extending this basic right to which people of your handle have long paid lip service, or are you in favor of "court of public opinion 'justice'" (otherwise known as "Peoples' Justice" in the workers' paradises that are the favorites of your fellow liberals)?
liberranter
March 21st, 2012 at 11:18 am
Where are the Christians condemning the act of this mass murderer? Most are just busy in finding one excuse or another.
The tiny handful of real Christians in Amerika (they number only a few hundred, at most, and should NOT be confused with the hundreds of thousands of state-worshiping, biblically-illiterate Sunday morning pew-warmers who are indeed making some very un-Christian excuses for this massacre) consider this massacre to be an abomination, a clear violation of both the Six Commandment and the message of the Gospels. Sadly, such people don't get any media coverage.
liberranter
March 21st, 2012 at 11:26 am
Heck, he might still have a bright future with Goldman-Sachs, given that it's highly unlikely that he'll even be charged with, let alone convicted of, "murder." Indeed, I suspect that he'll either be administratively "slapped on the wrist," or just sent right back to Southwest Asia, without any administrative or legal action whatsoever, to do more of the same.
For a "firm" like GS to offer a "war hero" like Bales a job, especially a "war hero" experienced in corruption, deception, fraud, theft, and all the other "black arts" of the state-corporate bankster establishment, would be a real PR coup. Simply stated, Bales would fit right in at GS.
liberranter
March 21st, 2012 at 11:32 am
C'mon, think about it: Bales is accused of murdering Afghans (a.k.a., ragheads, towelheads, goatherds, terrists, etc.), not actual "human beings" (a.k.a. Murricans). If he had been accused of going on a rampage in which he shot up his own base, and, God forbid, killed some senior OFFICERS, the Pentagon, their Presstitute (thank you, Paul Craig Roberts) corps, and the so-called "Law and Order" (a.k.a. police state fascist) Republikans would be calling for his execution on every page and in every newscast. In fact, he'd probably now be suffering treatment that would make that experienced by Bradley Manning look like pampering by comparison.
CSMallory
March 21st, 2012 at 12:03 pm
I have to say, I was troubled by Justin's line " He’s hired himself an expensive lawyer – the same one who defended the “Barefoot Bandit” ". This SGT is in all probability guilty. But he should not be smeared for doing all he can in his own defense.
We are seeing the same mob rule, hi tech lynching here in the States with the Zimmerman case.
rosemerry
March 21st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Check out Glenn Greenwald on this. They are in the same place, different treatment.
rosemerry
March 21st, 2012 at 1:03 pm
The recent Gazan victims of Israeli attacks are not named either, except by a visitor to Gaza who also explains their family situation and their farming tasks which drew the ire of "IDF" in their "self defense". All the world knows the 4 victims in the shooting in Toulouse, France at a Jewish school. This was the second shooting attack on French Jews since 1982!!
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March 21st, 2012 at 1:10 pm
[...] We’ve heard all about staff sergeant Robert Bales, who murdered 16 Afghan civilians – most of them children – and is now being held by the U.S. military, although he has yet to be formally charged. We’ve heard about his alleged PTSD, his marital problems, his “good deeds,” the shock and surprise of his friends and neighbors who thought he was a wonderful guy. But what about the victims? Who are they? What about their families? Why haven’t we heard much of anything about them? The answer to this last question is fairly obvious: with the American media, it’s all about … the Americans! Never mind the Afghans: they’re just “collateral damage.” The real “human interest” story here is about Bales, for whom the excuse-making has already begun. He’s hired himself an expensive lawyer – the same one who defended the “Barefoot Bandit” – and Fox News is already playing him up as some kind of hero, or, at least, a sympathetic figure to be pitied rather than punished. As for the victims, they are nameless, faceless stick figures, at least in nearly all U.S. news accounts: their fate is no more a concern than the fate of the hundreds of thousands who died in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else the U.S. boot alights. http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/03/20/george-packer-and-the-unfathomable/ [...]
Dan
March 21st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
You are so right that distance matters, Duglarri. George Packer is as much a sociopath as Bales, with the difference being that a lily-livered limousine liberal like Packer relies on the violent sociopaths like Bales to do his kind's dirty work. Homer said something about Packer's kind in the Iliad, like they've got the mind of a dog and heart of a deer. Anyway, this is how it'll go down here, too, with Packer making excuses for the sociopaths and other dregs being recruited by the DHS and our militarized police forces while Americans have their front doors kicked in and Mr. Packer dines on oysters and caviar with the NY cabal. I can't figure why Justin would give that asshole more than a few lines.
richard vajs
March 21st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Several simple rules to seperate the wolves from the sheep. If you go into a so-called Christian Church, and if you see an American flag next to the pulpit, you are in a state-worshipping Christian church. If you also see an Israeli flag beside the pulpit then you truly are in a biblically-illiterate church, and there is no good reason to hang around another minute. If the readings of the scripture for the service are virtually all from the Old Testament and/or Revelations – again, you are in the wrong place to find "real Christians".
Talha
March 21st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
One wonders if this same man had 'snapped' when back in America – due to PTSD, failing marriage, or anything else – and went on a rampage and turned 16 suburbian women and children into shot-up, charred remains, if the reports would be as sympathetic.
The funny thing about the 'sympathetic narrative' is that – many of those that are offering it in this particular case – are the same kinds of people who, if you try to explain motivations behind those who carried out 9/11 will call you out as justifying terrorism. I doubt many of them would be keen to being called supporters/justifiers of child-murder.
Disgusted
March 21st, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Poor analogy since Zimmerman's action of STALKING and then SHOOTING TO DEATH an unarmed minor was a real lynching, which was prevalent in the South in the 20th century — carried out literally by mobs, not a chorus on the internet. Zimmerman's actions have more in common with those of Sgt. Bales, the difference being only in number.
CSMallory
March 21st, 2012 at 4:42 pm
The evidence so far shows you are wrong, but who knows something may come out later.
Both men are in danger of mobs calling for their heads. I call that lynching. Both men are in danger of being unable to get fair trials due to public hysteria. I call that lynching. You may not, but I stand for justice, not mob rule.
W_ThePoster
March 21st, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Lincoln's Second Inaugural, on the wall in the Monument, makes it plain that war is a punishment for the failures of both sides to live in peace-able justice. Going to war in the delusional belief we foist on our troops, that they are doing 'good' on behalf of the 'host' country is a huge set-up for unprecedented episodes of PTSD and, yes, 'losing it'. The cause is the humiliating realization that you conned yourself and became both killer and victim.
Perry
March 21st, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Since the US military has sent the message that no one will be punished for committing atrocities, it is easier for someone to do a "Haditha" and think they will get away with it.
mick
March 21st, 2012 at 6:27 pm
He is definitely a Psychopath. If he had never went to war, he probably would have just conned people out of their life savings. However given the right mix of circumstances and you got a murderer. But do not worry he will be out at most in five years. He will be able to go back to conning people of their life savings.
Disgusted
March 21st, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Yeah, something may come out later, since the State of Florida had to be pressured to even conduct a proper investigation. A young kid on his cell phone who had just been seen at the candy store, with the candy in his pocket and the Snapple in his hand was not in the commission of a crime. His only "crime" was being unknown to Zimmerman and being subject to Zimmerman's presumption that this young black kid couldn't possibly belong in this neighborhood. Young children with their mothers in bed at 3:50 a.m. were most unlikely to be in the commission of terrorist acts. But to Bales, they were non-white, non-Christian, non-English speaking, and thus, non-human. Zimmerman was told not to pursue the kid and how did Bales get off the base to act alone? A solo mission in Afghanistan at 3:50 a.m.
I'll give you a good price on the Brooklyn Bridge.
Zimmerman and Bales played God — they were their own mob rule if you want to talk about mob rule.
Offenbach
March 21st, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Lincoln should have taken his own advice. The Confederate States of America sent commissioners to Washington to negotiate a peaceful separation of the two countries. Lincoln rejected their entreaties, and opted instead for war. "Sic semper tyrannis!" But I'm sure you already know that.
CSMallory
March 21st, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Zimmerman was, in the transcripts I have read, told to not pursue. He was told and I quote "We don't need you to do that.". Fairly ambiguous if you ask me. It certainly isn't an order to stop. The police chief has said that the dispatcher's suggestion, was not a lawful order and Zimmerman was under no requirement to follow it. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/21/sanford-flor…
A 17 year old is not a "young kid". He is nearly a grown man.
We don't have all the evidence in either case. Evidence very well might come out in both that will prove them both guilty. But until they are proven guilty in a court of law, the system is to consider them as innocent. Mobs crying for blood diminishes that.
The laws and system are there to protect us, when we cut them down, we endanger ourselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nJR15e0F4
Like I said before, I want justice, you want blood.
musings
March 22nd, 2012 at 5:32 am
I understand that what you are saying is that a person who kills like Bales has a deep character flaw or a psychosis to be able to do it. There are studies which have purported to show that in battle many soldiers decline to pull the trigger on their weapon, that they are not really killers.
The policies which take us to war are different than what motivated Bales that night, so we have to be careful not to confuse them for the sake of rhetoric. Our politicians are not mad dogs (although the Israelis have said that they should pretend to be – after all they are smaller and have to bark louder). So there are moral failings which lead to war, as well as financial incentives. But what was going to be the gain for Bales? What was he going to get out of it, except a transient sick satisfaction of whatever was going on in his own head? There would be no territory added, no oil made cheaper, no armaments profiteering.
The real question is why he did it. I believe he was not alone, and maybe he is taking the fall for others who were probably sending a message for the land mine, and deciding it had to come from locals, since they thought they had accomplished their mission of clearing out the place of Taliban. That would make it a little MyLai. And it would explain that the seeming disconnect between the pre-war Bales (although he was a dishonest white collar criminal) and the one who allegedly did all the mayhem. It would also explain why only the Americans are saying he acted alone. After all, it advanced policy and it could be covered up. What more could you want?
And, oh yes, that little boy growing up Taliban – hearts and minds. Making more Taliban is so useful to the war effort. It provides lots of jobs for our youth and makes a lot of money for war profiteers. If they come to the US it will mean Homeland Security can really grow by leaps and bounds. That's just smart business.
musings
March 22nd, 2012 at 5:43 am
It reminds me of the MyLai guys like Lt. Calley, pardoned by Nixon, who went back to a job at least considered respectable in his Georgia home town. Not so high profile, but accepted as a hero, probably, by his (white) neighbors.
musings
March 22nd, 2012 at 5:50 am
On the other hand, the black slaves were also, in the view of those who elected Lincoln, persons who counted as such. Who had the right to separate from the country taking that institution intact? Why would he have accepted the blacks as hostages so that the South could pull away taking them? It wouldn't have been right.
liberranter
March 22nd, 2012 at 7:20 am
Generally speaking, you're right. Sadly, however, I've actually attended churches "pastored" by guys who will deliver long, multi-part sermons on the Beatitudes or other portions of the Four Gospels, yet in between passages still spew the same state-idolizing, warmongering excrement that completely contradicts the focus of their message. It just goes to show how brainless and rote the whole process has become and just how little attention anybody, including these "pastors" themselves, pays to the actual message content – or the bible upon which it's supposedly based.
Bottom line: If you want to find an actual New Testament church in today's Amerika, you're going to have to be invited to someone's living room or basement on a Sunday morning.
liberranter
March 22nd, 2012 at 7:22 am
Well stated!
liberranter
March 22nd, 2012 at 7:25 am
But do not worry he will be out at most in five years. He will be able to go back to conning people of their life savings.
If he does, he'd better do it as an employee of a firm like Goldman-Sachs or JPMorgan. The Establishment hates competition in the form of "independent contractors."
liberranter
March 22nd, 2012 at 7:39 am
Lincoln didn't give a damn about blacks, northern or southern, except to make sure that they got OUT of the country and settled anywhere else – anywhere but on American soil. Ergo, their safety and well-being were the farthest thingsfrom his mind. Slavery and its abolition were of no concern to Lincoln, or indeed the vast majority of northerners at the time.
Disgusted
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
No, I want a proper an honest investigation, you want magnanimity.
musings
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Note that I said "In the view of those who elected him." I know the usual position about Lincoln's not giving a damn about blacks. But the abolitionists of the North who had money from publishing and railroads had their sentiments, and also disliked the possibility of slavery mucking up the farmlands of the growing West, where free men would have to compete with agribusiness plantation owners (growing corn maybe, but doing it with slaves). No, Lincoln had no mandate to let the South go. No way, no how, suh! (Some of my ancestors were perhaps reluctant Confederates, being New Orleans Irishmen…. I have no idea of their politics, probably just getting enough to eat).
Lorraine
March 22nd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Wow, excellent article. But it makes me sad to be an American. I will pray for little Habib and his father… may God have mercy on the souls of their unnamed loved ones… and may the perpetrators of this massacre be judged by the same measure they apparently gave. Our land will surely reap what it has sown.
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Peter
March 22nd, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Very good article. While I don't agree with everything Raimondo said about the mortgages, I agree with his analysis of Bales. This guy was ticking time bomb.
Also who are the names of the Afghan victims?
Benjacomin Bozart
March 24th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Or see your family wiped out at your cousins wedding. Or at the subsequent funeral.
Hilary Clinton and Obama ranting that this isn't who we are shows how delusional the neo-con scum is in either party.
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W_ThePoster
April 11th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Sounds to me like you guys despise Lincoln so much you didn't actually read my comment, which was about the inscription and the culpability of all sides for war. don't make no thing.