Syrian Tinderbox
The Balkans of the Middle East threatens to explode
As Europe headed toward the first world war, lining up rival blocs of states and massing armies on borders, the focus of their escalating rivalry was centered in the Balkans. Indeed, after the Great War, the word “balkanization” was coined to indicate a hopelessly divided region seething with sectarian and nationalist tensions, and the “Balkan tinderbox” was a phrase often invoked by historians to describe the précis to the bloody slaughter. The Balkans of today’s world are undoubtedly the Middle East, and specifically the region once known as Greater Syria, which encompasses not only Syria but also Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, and parts of Iraq.
Here is the crossroads of the world, where the three great religions – Christianity, Judaism, and Mohammedanism – meet and merge in conterminous contention, elbowing and quarreling with one another in a multi-family feud that – more often than not – ends in bloodshed. For the past 40 years or so, the epicenter of this tinderbox – the Syria of Bashar al Assad – has been quiescent, ruled over by a family dynasty that ruthlessly suppressed all possible rivals and kept the kind of peace only the most fearsome dictatorship can hope to enforce. Now, however, that peace is being threatened, as a tidal wave of populist upsurges – the Arab Awakening – rolls into Syria, bringing with it the hope of liberal democracy – and the prospect of chaos.
You’ll notice a geographical pattern to these uprisings: the first wave hit the periphery of the Arab world: Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya on the North African fringe, and Yemen and Bahrain in the fringe of the Gulf. Now these centrifugal forces are moving rapidly to the center – Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and even penetrating into parts of Saudi Arabia – and that is where the real danger lies.
These uprisings have always brought with them both danger and opportunity, but in the case of Syria the emphasis is on the former. This is due to the fact that the country is not only the crossroads of rival religions, but also the nexus of rising tensions between rival blocs contending for regional hegemony: the Israelis, the Saudis, and the Iranians.
The US has backed all three at various times, starting with the last and ending up in partnership with the first. In directing the CIA to topple Mohammed Mossadegh, in 1953, and placing Shah Reza Pahlavi on the throne, President Dwight Eisenhower was betting the Persians would take up where Cyrus the Great left off and take their place as regional hegemon – and US proxy. When that didn’t quite work out, Washington turned to the Saudis, who had signed on earlier as an American protectorate, and, increasingly, to the Israelis, whose domestic clout in the US sped up a process the cold war had already quickened.
With the sudden implosion of the Soviet empire, and the virtual elimination of international communism as a material force in the world, the driving factor behind these successive alliances was inoperative. Almost overnight, at least in historical terms, the basic assumptions governing US foreign policy since the end of World War II were repealed. The rationale for supporting Israel in its war for the occupied territories of Palestine, and opposing the nationalist aspirations of peoples throughout the region, collapsed – and the debris is only just now raining down upon our heads. This is the rain that brought on the “Arab Spring.”
If the ideological framework of US policy in the region began to teeter dangerously around the time the Berlin Wall fell, then the fall of the Kremlin generated a similar tsunami effect in the Middle East. The Soviets had made common cause with the various anti-colonialist uprisings. These revolutions were generally headed up by the more youthful sectors of the officers’ corps, with Egypt’s Nasser as the model, a pattern that occurred in Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, and Syria, where a young Hafez al Assad seized power in the “Corrective Revolution” of 1970.
Assad was trained in the Soviet Union, and returned committed to a pan-Arabic socialism that reflected his Ba’athist party affiliation – and convinced that the recent union between Syria and Egypt – the short-lived United Arab Republic – amounted to Egyptian imperialism. This view got him into trouble, but when the UAR fell apart he rose through the ranks to become chief commander of the air force, and executed a coup, eventually purging his own Ba’athist party of all dissidents and assimilating rival leftist parties, such as the Communist Party, who, along with a few other secular parties, were allowed to function as a token and very closely regulated “democratic bloc.” This was modeled on the East European Soviet satellites, which allowed various “Peasant” and “Democratic” parties to operate in their Potemkin village “People’s Democracies.” Those secular groups unwilling to be assimilated into the Ba’thist Borg were ruthlessly suppressed, along with the religious sectarian opponents of the Ba’athist new order. Assad went after the latter with a special ruthlessness: in 1982, the entire town of Hama was reduced to rubble, and 20,000 of its inhabitants were killed by the Syrian military, because the town was a hotbed of Muslim Brotherhood activity.
That operation was carried out by Rifat al Assad, the dictator’s younger brother, who ran the elite security forces at the core of Ba’athist power. In the struggle that ensued after the onset of the elder Assad’s illness, the more hardcore authoritarian element, represented by Rifat, lost out, and the relatively “liberal” faction, which supported Bashar al Assad, weeded out Rifat’s supporters from the Ba’athist party hierarchy, although Rifat was kept on as Vice President until 1998. In 1999, Syrian authorities moved in on his remaining supporters, making mass arrests: the two factions engaging in running battles in the streets of Latakia.
Rifat has maintained all along that, as Vice President – he doesn’t recognize his official expulsion – he is the only “legal” President of Syria, and that Bashar is a usurper. From his base in London’s Mayfair, Rifat presides over a shadowy and ever-shifting network of Syrian exile groups, and enjoys the distinction of having been named by Stratfor as a leading suspect in the assassination of Lebanese politician Rafiq Hariri.
The Rifat factor is one that is not mentioned in the dispatches coming out of that country, nor in news accounts of the many Syrian dissident groups that can credibly claim some credit for the uprising. It is often said that this is a “leaderless” revolution, one that just arose spontaneously, like yeast rising with the temperature, but this is nonsensical: every revolution needs a leadership in order to organize even the simplest action, and the leadership consists of individuals with political histories of varying duration and commitment.
While it is true that an entirely new layer of activists has emerged from the Arab Spring, this fresh crop had its predecessors, of which Rifat is one example, and, at the opposite pole, the old leftists around the Communist Party are another. What has been largely overlooked, I believe, is that both factors are in play, no doubt, in the current street protests. The left is organizing and leading the nonviolent assemblies, which have ended in bloodshed, and the ultra-Ba’athist “right”– including the entirely crazy Syrian Social Nationalist Party, which claims 100,000 members – is probably behind at least some of the incidents Sana, the government news agency, is attributing to “armed gangs.”
The Syrian dictatorship, in form and ideology, follows the “young officers” model of government that held sway in the region in the post-colonial period; and like its brothers-in-spirit in North Africa, it lost the ideological and material basis of its power as the cold war era came to a close. Economically, the national socialist – or social nationalist – regimes exemplified by Egypt’s Nasserists, retarded rather than accelerated modernization, and politically led to near complete stasis and reification. Furthermore, these secular Arab revolutions locked in the borders drawn by the colonial powers, creating centralized “states” which had no historical or economic basis of unity, as in the case of Libya. Bereft of backing from the Soviet Union – and without the bogeyman of “colonialism” to blame for all their problems – these regimes lost legitimacy, and could only continue in power by means of systematic and brutal repression. This is the scenario unfolding in Syria today.
Syria, like Libya, is a make-believe “country,” that is, it is a “nation” created entirely out of whole cloth by the colonial powers, the borders of which correspond to no ethnic, religious, or cultural contiguity. Ethnically, it is a hodgepodge of Arab, Circassian, Assyrian, and Kurds, with various other obscure sub-groupings thrown in the mix: in sectarian terms, think Lebanon – various Muslim sects predominating beneath a thin overlay of Orthodox Christians and Druze. The key intermediary between these often contentious religious rivals has so far been the Alawite sect, a heterodox branch of Islam, the base from which the top leadership of the Ba’athist party derives its power. If and when this mediating role becomes nonfunctional, on account of the overthrow of the Ba’athists, then the future of the country can be seen in the fate of Lebanon – an armed camp perpetually on the brink of open conflict.
Combine this scenario with the danger posed by President Obama’s framing of events in terms of US-Iranian rivalry, and you have what amounts to a dress rehearsal for another world war. “Instead of listening to their own people, President Assad is blaming outsiders while seeking Iranian assistance in repressing Syria’s citizens through the same brutal tactics that have been used by his Iranian allies,” the president said – the equivalent of throwing a lit match in the tinderbox of the Middle East.
If Syria becomes a battlefield, the various contenders for regional power will each field their armies and conduct a war-by-proxy, a conflict that will be but a prelude to the main event. The Lebanonization of Syria would be a disaster for the Syrians, and this is why the regime retains such support as it does: however, if they can’t keep order – the basis of their mandate – then they lose what little legitimacy they have left. Bashar realizes this, which is why he’s cracking down. The news that much of the opposition received funding and other forms of support from the US government hasn’t helped, either, and for the moment it looks like the anti-Assad forces are losing steam.
Yet, as we saw in Egypt, these movements have a natural resiliency, and it is far too early to say which way the battle will go. In this instance, too, the role of the United States, as usual, has nothing to do with the real interests of the Syrians, and everything to do with its great power ambitions in the region. Obama looks at Syria, and thinks of Iran: Syrians look at their country, and think of Lebanon.
There are so many Syrian exile groups, some operating within the country, some not, that it would be impossible to cover them all in a single column. If I were taking bets on the one I expect the US is quietly backing, however, I would put my money on Abdul Halim Khaddam, another former top crony of Hafez al Assad, who served as the vice-president after Rifat’s expulsion, and then as “interim president” in the interregnum between the death of the elder Assad and the official inauguration of Bashar. He was personally responsible for the deaths of many dissidents, and yet today he poses as the leader of the “democratic” opposition, with offices in Washington D.C. and major Western capitals, presiding over his “National Salvation Front,” which, perhaps coincidentally, has the same name as the Libyan rebel exile group essentially founded by the CIA.
In any case, the Syrian revolution shows every sign of following the Arab Spring with a long hot summer, one in which the accumulated tensions in the regions could boil over and drag us into yet another war. Now more than ever, it is imperative the US stays out of Syria’s internal affairs – and, naturally, now more than ever one can be absolutely certain that is not the case. The Obama administration has decided to go on the offensive in response to the fall of US-supported despots in North Africa, and policymakers are apparently convinced they can make some pretty tasty lemonade out of the lemon they’ve been handed. The problem is that they’ll let this unstable mixture of sour lemons and sweet rhetoric stand too long and ferment – in which case our policymakers will soon enough be drunk on some pretty heady liquor.
The consequences of US intervention in Syria could drive us to the brink of war – which is no doubt why we haven’t heard (at least in any great decibels) the call to send “aid” and even intervene on behalf of the protesters. However, that is coming, soon enough, and at that point it’s time to pull the emergency switch and set the alarm bells to ringing.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013
- Carla del Ponte’s Faux Pas – May 7th, 2013





Karl
April 24th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
What all these "tinderboxes" have in common is that empires can not stay away from them. Perhaps that better explains why they are sources of conflict much better than anything inherent to them.
GradyWilson
April 25th, 2011 at 3:00 am
"Here is the crossroads of the world, where the three great religions – Christianity, Judaism, and Mohammedanism – meet and merge in conterminous contention, elbowing and quarreling with one another in a multi-family feud that – more often than not – ends in bloodshed." – JR
'More ofter than not" is putting it mildly. Can one even begin to count the injustice and senseless deaths throughout history attributed to these religions in the name of their god? These religions are always telling us that they provide morality to mankind but in reality the opposite is true. Each religion believes that they are specifically chosen by their god and 'the other' (the goyim, the heretic, the infidel) are inferior and a threat to their religion. This is no basis for human morality. This leads to justifying immoral acts in the name religion. Religions, especially Abraham's triumvirate of evil, inherently pervert human morality.
The only way one can refer to these religions as "great" is in the way one refers to a great flood, a great plague, a great famine, or a great slaughter.
"President Dwight Eisenhower was betting the Persians would take up where Cyrus the Great left off…" -Raimondo
More specifically Eisenhower simply wanted to control Iran's oil and reinstall the British Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Whenever a mideast country thinks it is sovereign and can control its own oil there is a western backed coup. See the wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and now Libya while CIA's foments unrest in Iran and Syria. The is how capitalism rolls. The empire will not go down without a fight. They are going all in on global hegemony while the USA disintegrates financially and morally.
geo1671
April 25th, 2011 at 4:06 am
Justin–Syria has no oil.But what it has–demands that Israel give back lands and a ally of Lebanon,who also wants lands back stolen and has water that Israel needs.Yesterday's ICH site had articles that sharp shooters were actually CIA/MOSSAD to flare-up the revolt. Just like Egypt–a revolt sponcered by /USrael/UK/France/Itlay.Nobody talks about the western oil companies making a killing on oil prices–a cycle pattern.Worse,the fleeced public haven't caught on the scams. How many of you know that actually USA gets most of it's foriegn oil from Canada. Stupid Canadians haven't woken up that all the major oil companies operating in Canada are USA owned–after free trade–Petro Canada and Sunoco are now 100% USA owned . USA is in middle east to keep the US dollar trade in oil :^/
Michael Cecil
April 25th, 2011 at 4:19 am
Mohammedanism????
Are you KIDDING me?
Stopped reading at that word.
If you are so TONE DEAF as to use a word like that, the chances are that you have an
EXCLUSIVELY political assessment (ignoring the *religious/theological* dimension ALTOGETHER) of the conflicts in the Middle East…
Which, of course, is the PROBLEM rather than the solution.
Just because the Christians worship Jesus, does NOT mean that the Muslims
worship Mohammed.
Find a clue.
The term is Islam; which means submission to the Creator
John Fordham
April 25th, 2011 at 5:15 am
I agree totally regarding the three so-called 'great' religions.
Regarding capitalism: when government interferes with the economy, it is not capitalism, but fascism.
Wootie Berster
April 25th, 2011 at 5:41 am
"(E)very revolution needs a leadership in order to organize even the simplest action, and the leadership consists of individuals with political histories of varying duration and commitment. " Yes. Here you nudge the core of "Conspiricist" thinking. There is no politics without factions.. which are in turn driven by individuals. Broad abstractions are for ideologues.. and idiots. Those who can think know that existence is atomic.. ie., analysis can always be reduced to a finer grain. If Justin were to apply this fine grain analysis to his favorite flavor of abstraction, "Mises-ism", he would perhaps find that it's rusty tenets fall away like rotten cloth.
Ira7Epstein
April 25th, 2011 at 5:41 am
The time is now to "pulll the emergency switch and set the alarm bells to ringing" Already some US Senators are calling for non-military intervention in Syria on behalf of the "democratic" opposition in Syria. Some people are just determined to open pandora's box and set loose the furies..
Greg
April 25th, 2011 at 6:34 am
Poor Israel. Almost out of "enemies"…
Whatever will they do?*
* (why, create more, you silly goose!)
Kevin
April 25th, 2011 at 6:57 am
Justin, why did you choose to use the term "Mohammedanism" instead of "Islam?"
I'm not at all offended by the use of the term (I'm agnostic), just genuinely curious.
greendaworld
April 25th, 2011 at 8:13 am
I'm Egyptian American. It's Islam dude not Mohamedanism. Mohamendanism is an intentionally derogatory term coined by racist western orientalists. Sadly, I think you know that, but choose to use the term anyway.
Egypt is not on the periphery of the Arab world but the heart of the Arab world.
Where you are correct, is that most modern Arab states, are the creation of western colonial powers waiting to implode. The Arab world, before the Brits and French carved it up, was similar to Italy or Germany before unification. A bunch of city states that shared a common language and history.
Bodkin
April 25th, 2011 at 8:29 am
I join the others in wondering why Raimondo used the term "Mohammedanism" as a surrogate for "Islam". I'm not being critical, I'm just surprised. I suspect that many of Raimondo's donors are of Muslim or Arab descent, and might take exception.
It's not an inaccurate term, because the Koran (and therefore Islam) was something one man named Mohammed invented, and passed off as the holy word of Allah (who curiously contradicts himself throughout the book, unusual for an infallible deity!). Unlike the Old and New Testaments, which were written over centuries by many different authors, the Koran was the work of one man, mistakenly attributed to the Angel Gabriel (as if!). But I'm still surprised Raimondo could be so tone deaf as to offend many of his readers by using a derogatory (if accurate) term.
Justin Raimondo
April 25th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Um, a change of pace? A dash of the archaic?
dmaak112
April 25th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Justin Raimondo challenges the "conventional wisdom" of the Washington wonks. There are a lot facts that are not being vented in the mainstream press–which brings to mind the sale job the media need to our run up to the Iraq war. Some of the pictures coming out Syria have the protestors carrying signs in English. As the overwhelming majority of Syrians do not read English, then this is a deliberate effort to gain US attention. In addition, Mr Raimondo might have added that the major contributor to the turmoil comes from the Facebook cite Syria Revolution 2011, with over 130,000 followers. The spokesperson for this cite is Fida’ ad-Din Tarif as-Sayyid ‘Isa, who is the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Sweden. American military intervention into Syria could see this group rise to power in Damascus.
Raashid
April 25th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
" Religions, especially Abraham's triumvirate of evil, inherently pervert human morality."
I'd have to disagree with you on tha. The death toll from religious wars are actually quite paltry compared to those of purely secular stripe, as the principles of all three religions acts as a natural break on human beings tendency to excess. Take for example The Crusades. Bloody, no doubt, and long lasting, however they did eventually end with an amicable agreement negotiated. Even the current Middle Eastern conflicts which have religious undercurrents have enough people of faith to keep the crazier elements in check.
Raashid
April 25th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Even Israel, the arch enemy of Islam has its Jewish people point to religious principles of justice and opposing tyranny to keep the Zionist Right from completing the ethnic cleansing they dearly wish and they even work for the rights of the Palestinains. There are enough Christians in the US who counter the aggressive Evangelical Right and Islam has its Sufis to Your own belief system of choice, Socialism, has on the other hand enabled men like Stalin and Mao to kill on a scale without concern for any sort of morality and the ideology also failed to produce an in-built mechanism to stop them taking their Socialist ambitions to their wildest conclusions
Bodkin
April 25th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
"Israel, the arch enemy of Islam "
It's only people like you who insist on seeing Israel as the "arch enemy of Islam". Israelis don't see themselves that way. They didn't set up a tiny refuge in the desert for a few hundred thousand Jews back in 1948 so they could bring down the Islamic world! They just wanted their little place in the sun. You have things utterly backwards, as usual. It's the Islamic world which is the implacable enemy of Israel, not the other way around. It's Islam which seeks to extirpate the one Jewish homeland, to claim the one Jewish holy city as its own, to deny all historical claims of Jews to the land, despite the fact that Judaism is Islam's parent religion!
You don't see Israel calling Mecca or Medina by a Hebrew name, in the way that Arabs refer to Jerusalem as al-Quds. You don't see Israel trying to conquer those holy cities, the heart and soul of Islam. But you do see Islam trying like hell to erase Israel from the map. Your propaganda is pure garbage, and boomerangs right back in your hate-spewing face.
Johnny in Wi.
April 25th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
I can define atheism in 3 sentences. We come from nothing. We are here fro no reason. We are going nowhere. Is it any wonder most of the world's population espouses a religion? Atheism is the 20th century alone killed far more people than all the religious wars in history. Religion gives people a reason for believing in the future. Atheism has always been a dead end.
GradyWilson
April 25th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
but we all know the reality is that there is no god – so why not accept this truth and still be hopeful and happy? Believing in a vindictive fictitious god seems like the dead end to me. You really think that you are going to live Forever Johnny?
Johnny in Wi.
April 25th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Yes Grady: I think my soul will live forever and so will yours. I am going to defend my own religion, Catholicism. The Catholic church has given the world mass charity to the poor, the idea of the univesal brotherhood of man, The New Testament, the Just War theory as a means to stop and prevent conflicts, the Universirty, the Hospital, great theology, art, architecture, philosophy, theology etc. It has also worked to prevent and amiliarate wars since it's inception. I follow the Prince of Peace who said. Blessed are the peacemakers, Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Love your neighbor as yourself, Turn the other cheek. It wasn't religious people who started WW1, WW2, the Korean war, the Civil War, the Vetnam war etc.
John_Muhammad
April 25th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Thank you, Michael, for your insight in an otherwise desert of knowledge.
Muslims definitely do NOT worship Muhammad (saw); in fact, to do so is a huge sin in Islam and in doing so one removes himself from the community of Muslims. In doing so, one equates the Prophet(saw) with Allah(swt) and this is totally against Islamic belief, no matter what sect or school of thought you may turn to.
In this single instance the greater problem has been revealed: a total lack of understanding of what Islam is at its core, and how the concept of Allah(swt) is taught to Muslims. There is no 'our God' or 'your God' or 'the god of the Jews' or what have you- God is simply God. There is no other, there are none worth of worship BUT God, and God has no partners. He may be called by different names by different peoples, but the end result is the same, and that is summed up in the first part of the Islamic statement of faith (the shahada): "I bear witness there is no god but Allah". The second part of the shahada makes clear the relationship of Muhammad to Allah: "I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger".
Whoever referred to Mohammedanism is either sadly lacking in knowledge, or is using reference books written by Sir Richard Burton back in the 19th century- or both. A little education can be a very dangerous thing.
John_Muhammad
April 25th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
We Muslims believe in a hereafter, one divided into two distinctly separate possibilities: Paradise or Hell. Either way, it's for forever, so when your number is up and Judgement Day is at hand, you'd better be right and pray your good deeds outweigh your bad deeds.
Even assuming, as you do, Grady, that there is no hereafter… why would a person NOT want to live a good life and be fair and just with his fellow man? Just because, in your view, there is no reward or punishment for your actions after you die, doesn't it make more sense to be a good person and make others happy instead of taking pains to make them unhappy? That way, when (as many of us already know) God reveals himself to you on Judgement Day, he just might show mercy upon you. But on the other hand, if you live a dissolute life just because you can, you can be sure you will be judged with that firmly in mind.
The moral of the story is: get right with God. Do it now. You never know when the end will come.
John_Muhammad
April 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
But totally out of place. In characterizing Islam as 'Mohammedanism' you directly contradict Islamic teaching as worshiping Muhammad(swt) is a grave sin that removes one from Islam altogether. To use the name 'Mohammedanism' is not only inaccurate, but indicates that one is getting his information from sources unreliable at best- maybe the 19th century travel works of Sir Richard Burton, maybe. You wouldn't dare refer to Judaism as 'Abrahamism'- the Jews don't worship Abraham, and to do so for them is a sin as well; it's the same principle. I've read enough of your columns to know you're not at all uninformed, and I enjoy your writings very much- but on this one issue I'll have to call you out on it, Justin.
John_Muhammad
April 25th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
You are very much incorrect, Bodkin, in your assessment of the origins of Islam and the nature of the revelation of the Qur'an. I will not waste my time picking apart your various arguments and examples; the more informed who write and read these comments already know the emptiness of your position. As a Muslim I am saddened by your ignorance of Islam; as a writer I am saddened that you choose not to research your subject matter before posting.
John_Muhammad
April 25th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
"" Some of the pictures coming out Syria have the protestors carrying signs in English. As the overwhelming majority of Syrians do not read English, then this is a deliberate effort to gain US attention. ""
Or, more than likely, the handiwork of the CIA which we already know is involved in fomenting unrest in Syria. Why the signs in English? Not for the benefit of the Syrians, who may or may not know what they say. They are intended purely for an American (and possibly British) audience, placed there by non-Syrian actors (read: Western intelligence services). If Americans see signs in Arabic, they think 'oh how quaint' and turn the channel. If they see signs in english they may be prompted to keep their eyes on the screen for a few more seconds, long enough to be spoon-fed the latest sound bite ordered up by Western politicians. Just as has occurred so many times in the past few decades in the Middle East, I smell the stench of Western meddling.
Johnny in Wi.
April 25th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Bodkin: The Holyland belongs to the whole world not just to a few million people of your beliefs. Let there be equal rights for all in Israel-Palistine. End the racism and end the hate. Lets integrate the Israeli state. Integration and civil rights is the answer to Israel just like it was in South Africa and the American South.
Johnny in Wi.
April 25th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Mohammed was the founder of your religion. Just like Christ = Christianity. Budda =Buddism etc. Mohammed is the focus of your faith and his teachings are the basis for your beliefs. The Prophet was a very warlike person and I don't see why Antiwar.com should not call a spade a spade. The founder of my religion said. "Those who live by the sword will die by the sword." The founder of your faith said. "By the sword we will conquer."
John_Muhammad
April 25th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Part 1:
No, the Jews- not Israelis- didn't set up the state of Israel in '48 in order to bring down the Islamic world. Western powers prompted by Jewish influence were responsible for the establishment of the state of Israel at the expense of those Arabs who already occupied the land. The anger at Israel from the Muslim world stems 100% from their arrogance in simply taking Arab land without a second thought to rightful ownership or recompense- and is manifested today in their treatment of the Palestinians, who are being denied what is rightfully theirs even under Israeli law. This, coupled with the insufferable Israeli habit of denouncing each and every person who is not 100% in their camp all leads to much of the rest of the world- and most of the Middle East- looking at Israel as an increasingly pariah state. Mark my words, Israel is laying the groundwork for its own demise, and I am sad to say many innocent Jews will pay the price for Zionist excesses.
John_Muhammad
April 25th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Part 2:
If the settlers from Europe had come to the Middle East in peace, and were ready to deal fairly with the Arab population that already lived there, the entire turbulent modern history of the Middle East may have been avoided. Instead, Zionist arrogance served only to alienate the Arab population and inflame tensions to the point where they created their own enemies from among their neighbors.
Why is it that for hundreds of years Jews and Muslims lived together peacefully, sharing a community and sharing knowledge with one another to the benefit of all- only to have it come crashing down virtually overnight? I can tell you, and I will point my finger directly at Zionists and lay a great portion of the ills of the Middle east directly at their feet. For observant Jews, I have no ill will against whatsoever; I call them my brothers and sisters in worship of Allah and if they wish to live peacefully beside me I am content to do the same. If, on the other hand, for those who wish nothing but unrest and discontent between religious communities and who clothe themselves with a false cloak of Judaism I have no respect. And don't get me wrong- the same applies to Muslims and Christians as well. If someone has a legitimate reason to go to war against another based on purely religious reason, so be it; Muslims have proved that we are more than ready to fight in the service of Allah in the defense of Islam. Just don't start something completely worldly and co-opt religion- ANY religion- in order to claim a false legitimacy for your actions.
John_Muhammad
April 25th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Part 3:
As for Jerusalem- you are correct in that many refer to it as Al-Quds- Muslims are content to share it with both Jews and Christians as it is indeed a crossroads of our faiths. BUT we will not stand by and let one group or another commandeer the city for the furthering of their own agenda. We will share our lands and yes, we will even share Jerusalem- but we will not be taken advantage of.
As for 'erasing Israel from the map' I'm totally mystified why you- or anyone else- is still using this reference. No one has said this, and the quote it is derived from (from Iran's President Ahmadinejad) has been very poorly translated by those with an agenda to sell. President A.- said (referring to Israel) "…this regime will be erased from the pages of history" meaning the Israeli/Zionist regime causing so much unrest in the Middle East will one day pass and a new regime- hopefully less antagonistic- will take its place. If anyone has called for the destruction of Israel, it is Israel itself who wishes to be seen as the perpetual victim when it is they who are today's aggressors.
PeterGrfx
April 25th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
More to the point, at least for non-religious people like me, is the term's roots in the old colonial order of pith helmets and jodhpurs — "A dash of the archaic" indeed!
Sick of Statists
April 25th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Any thoughts regarding the "Sampson Option"?
Sick of Statists
April 25th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Pardon me. I meant "Samson Option".
Kevin
April 25th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Fair enough. I was curious because I've never seen that term used in contemporary writing before, and I did not know if you were using "Mohammedanism" merely as a subsitute for "Islam" or if the use of the term implied any kind of subtext I was unaware of.
Bodkin
April 25th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
I'm not incorrect, I simply don't BELIEVE. I don't believe that the Angel Gabriel suddenly appeared out of thin air and recited the Koran to Mohammed in a cave somewhere. And how could a book have been written by an infallible supreme being if the later verses contradict the early verses? At first Allah got it wrong .. and then he got it right?
It's the height of irony for you to proclaim anyone "informed" for believing in a fairy tale. How many more "infidels" have to die for offending deluded believers with rational skepticism? Talk about "the emptiness of your position" – is there anything more empty than basing one's entire life on a fairy tale? What would truly be a "revelation" is if Muslims would finally admit that Mohammed made it all up. What a joke he played on the world. So much blood spilled for nothing … by the "informed".
Bodkin
April 25th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
"I smell the stench of Western meddling" — Of course you do. You need to invent a Western foe, because you can't process the fact that an Arab leader, Bashar Assad, is simply following in his father's bloody footsteps: slaughtering his own people to maintain his hold on power. Your paranoid brain is impervious to any information which puts Arabs in a negative light. You need to maintain the fantasy that America and Israel are always the true villains behind the scenes.
Bodkin
April 25th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
"You wouldn't dare refer to Judaism as 'Abrahamism'- the Jews don't worship Abraham… it's the same principle."
No, it's not the same principle at all. Not even close. Mohammed wrote the Koran. Islam is Mohammed's invention. Mohammed was the one and only "prophet" of Islam, even though he referenced earlier prophets to provide the appearance of a continuum with Judaism and Christianity.
The Jewish bible was written by many different people over many centuries. It wasn't the work of Abraham in the same way that the Koran was the work of Mohammed. You fail to comprehend this basic fact, so you nonsensically invent "Abrahamism" as if it could ever substitute for "Judaism".
Bodkin
April 25th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
"The anger at Israel from the Muslim world stems 100% from their arrogance in simply taking Arab land without a second thought to rightful ownership or recompense"
100%, you say? So it has nothing to do with the fact that, in Muslim tradition, any land once conquered by Muslims is forever to be considered Muslim land? It has nothing to do with the fact that Judaism is considered inferior to Islam and Jews are to live only as second-class dhimmis, not masters of their own fate, and forever pay the jizya? It has nothing to do with the fact that Muslims have rewritten the history of the Middle East, popularizing the myth that Jews, the "sons of apes and pigs", have no historical connection to the land of Israel?
"Jews will pay the price"
And how many Muslims are you prepared to see put to the sword to bring about Israel's "demise"? With warmongering talk like this, you are risking your OWN destruction.
Bodkin
April 25th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
"If the settlers from Europe had come to the Middle East in peace, and were ready to deal fairly with the Arab population that already lived there, the entire turbulent modern history of the Middle East may have been avoided."
This is a pile of garbage. Arab landowners charged Jews exorbitant rates to purchase land. Did they "deal fairly"? Arabs started murdering Jews early on; there were regular massacres; al-Husseini even tried to exterminate Jewry by hooking up with Hitler. Are these more examples of fair dealing? By rejecting the UN partition plan and invading Israel with the intent to annihilate all the Jews, the Arabs laid the groundwork for the "turbulent history" that ensued.
How quickly you forget that it was those same settlers who worked the land and developed a thriving economy which attracted Arabs to the region. Was creating opportunity and prosperity an example of "Zionist arrogance"?
Bodkin
April 25th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
"we will even share Jerusalem"
You say this as though it were yours to share. And you call Zionists arrogant! How about Jews agree to "share" Mecca and Medina with you? Would you be OK with that? Does that sound pleasing to your ears?
Did Jordan "share" Jerusalem in the 19 years it controlled it between 1948 and 1967? No. Did they allow Jews near the holy sites? No. The only reason Jews are able to pray at their holy sites today is that they control the city. The Muslims have proven that they will bar Jews from the holy sites; the Jews have proven that everyone is given access. Those are FACTS with a solid foundation; they tower over your empty promises written in shifting sand.
Your words are empty. Your talk is cheap. You're completely and utterly FULL OF IT!
freshnotbitter
April 26th, 2011 at 3:56 am
Intervene…….how? Gosh, what a mess it would be.
liberal
April 26th, 2011 at 4:02 am
Your account is flawed, because the rise of secularism is confounded with the rise of extremely deadly technologies.
liberal
April 26th, 2011 at 4:04 am
"Atheism is the 20th century alone killed far more people than all the religious wars in history."
Problem with this account is that the rise of secularism is confounded with the rise of deadly technologies.
emsnews
April 26th, 2011 at 4:34 am
All governments always 'interfere' with capitalists…the capitalists INSIST on this! See how the US operates with the capitalists increasing their share of the wealth relentlessly every year as they muscle the government into doing as they wish. Only the WWII crisis moved them to pay high taxes to pay off war costs. But ever since Vietnam, they have evaded paying taxes to the point, they are now bankrupting our government.
Note too, capitalists make oodles of profit off of our war machine…while refusing to pay taxes to pay for wars. They even encouraged Congress to put all extra war costs off budget so it would not appear except as an unexpected deficit…which they steadily refuse to pay for. Thanks to the GOP's great efforts on their behalf.
John_Muhammad
April 26th, 2011 at 6:47 am
Judaism is not considered inferior to Islam- in our view Judaism has been corrupted by the will and agendas of man, and the original untainted message has been altered. As for Jews being 'second class citizens' in Muslim lands, that's not a fair characterization: Jews- or any non-Muslim, for that matter- have certain protections over and above those provided for Muslims, and are also expemt from cretain responsibilities, such as the defense of the land. In return, those people ARE required to pay a tax to make up for their not having to put their own lives on the line in teh event of war. I cannot answer for those Muslim nations in which Jews and other non-Muslims are oppressed; that is a reult of culture and politics, NOT a result of Islam.
John_Muhammad
April 26th, 2011 at 6:48 am
Pt 2 – And as for Israel's demise, I am not prepared to see a single life lost either in its defense or its destruction- a life lost for any reason is a tragedy, period. It saddens me greatly that personal greed and political ambition has brought Israel to its current low state of regard in the world, when it has so much potential to be a good force in the Middle East. I lay that, again, squarely at the feet of those who pursue personal and poitical agendas yet cloak them as 'Jewishness' and bring condemnaiton upon an entire religious community unfairly.
John_Muhammad
April 26th, 2011 at 6:56 am
And yet the fact still remains that the state of Israel exists only due to Zionist agendas, not for any instrinsic Jewish 'claim' on the land. The fact still remains that Israelis take what they want, regardless of the consequences to their neighbors or even their own citizens. The fact remains that Israel is pursuing agendas not consistent with those of peaceful nations, and is in fact fanning the flames of war throughout the Middle East to deflect attention away from their own criminal acts.
I charge YOU with your words being cheap and empty. You cannot honestly believe all that you say; if you do I charge you with ignorance of history as well as ignorance of religious and cultural agendas on all sides of the argumant. Yo have proven that no matter what anyone says, regardless of the facts, you will defend Israel- that, sir, is the hallmark of a Zionist. Beyond that, nothing else is needed to identify you and your agendas.
liveload
April 26th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Lots of good points in this thread. Let's see:
"My god is better than your god"
"My god is real, your's is fake"
"There is/is not a god"
"Religion causes/cures all the problems"
I have a better one: "I don't give a sh!t"
Really, I don't give a crap what your ideas are about where life came from, why it's here, what purpose it serves, what happens to conscious thought after death, and who should make all the rules. What makes people think that the world should act according to them? What is it about humans that makes them want to impose their will upon others, regardless of whether it's warranted, useful in any way, or desired by anyone? Wouldn't it be easier to just say, "I don't know" in response to those ancient questions? Why go through the trouble of making up mountains of bullsh!t just to cover for ignorance. You'd think people would wisen up after countless generation upon generation of hearing the prophecies, soothsaying, preaching, and sermonizing, then going outside and seeing exactly the opposite in the little realm we call reality.
John_Muhammad
April 26th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Yes, it is exactly the same principle. EXACTLY.
Muhammad(saw) did not write the Qur'an; he received it from Allah(swt) through the angel Gabriel and passed it to the world. Islam itself is not Muhammad's 'invention', Islam existed in its very basic form from the beginning. "Submission to God" is exactly what the angels, the jinn, and Man did- before any 'religions' were revealed to the world. Muhammad's contribution was simply to recieve and transmit the Qur'an to mankind, and the purpose was to 're-align' man from where he had strayed from God.
True, Muhammad(saw) is the only Prophet "of" Islam, and we believe there is a very simple reason for that- he is the LAST of the Prophets of God. There are no more to come after him, period, according to Islamic teachings. Jesus will return, yes, but as he is already accorded prophethood he will not be a 'new' prophet.
John_Muhammad
April 26th, 2011 at 7:17 am
Take the Catholic Bible, for instance, and compare it to the King James version. Are they the same? No, of course not. Why? Who decided they were the arbiters of God's word and altered his Book? MAN. Why are there so many 'version's of the Bible floating around, with words and passages changed or added or deleted at an alarming rate? What man has the authority to alter God's words? NONE. So tell me which Bible is the 'correct' one? What makes it 'correct' and all others 'incorrect'?
You are very correct in that the Torah was written by many different people over many centuries. It is also correct that the words and meaning have been altered in a great many verifiable ways from the original texts, especially as they are applied in Christian methodology.
I take exception to the Qur'an being characterized as the work of man when clearly it stand head and shoulders above the Bible, Old and New Testaments, as a 'pure' document, without constant- nay, ANY- alterations.
John_Muhammad
April 26th, 2011 at 7:28 am
And because you don't believe in someone else's faith, you immediately discount it. Once we establish this fact there is nowhere else to go, as any debate is pointless.
I don't believe Judaism or Christianity (as practiced today) is the same Judaism or Christianity as practiced centuries ago, yet I don't claim their faith is false or heretical- quite the opposite, as a Muslim I am required to accept them as brothers and sisters as they are recipients of God's word just as are Muslims. In our view, however, the revelations they received have been corrupted by man and his petty agendas and prejudices and, as a result, their current beliefs are not 'wrong' but are simply misguided in many ways. Despite this, I don't condemn Jews or Christians for their faith, and sincerely hope they find their way to to God, regardless of what name they identify Him with. What I DO have a problem with is those who use religion as a 'cover' for advancing their own personal and/or political agendas- that I will not stand for as it insults all true believers, regardless of their particular faith.
Bodkin
April 26th, 2011 at 8:28 am
And one of the many ugly hallmarks of a kneejerk Israel-basher is to change the subject when he can't defend a point. The subject was ACCESS TO HOLY SITES, and you knew you were on very thin ice, so you changed the topic. How admirable does that make YOU look, sir?
I repeat: Arabs prevented Jews from praying at their holy sites for two decades. Israel by contrast allows everyone who comes in peace to pray. Why would anyone with any sense of fairness want to change that arrangement?
By changing the subject and simply berating me, you've proven the truth of what I said about the total emptiness of your words. You not only wouldn't "share" Jerusalem, you wouldn't share a grain of sand. Long live Israel.
Raashid
April 26th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
You seem to become more confused the longer you spend time on this site. You used to claim no religious belief, and espoused Israel on ethno-nationalist grounds. Now you are delving into theology. I would recommend you spend more time on the numerous anti-Arab and anti-Islam websites you used to espouse to soothe your aching heart and clear up your many doubts. I think rabbi Kahane has some of the answers ye seek.
Raashid
April 26th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Go easy on Justin. He doesn't need to be particularly flattering to Islam, after all from the Islamic religious point of view someone who simply doesn't believe is considered on the path to damnation anyway, which also applies to around 80% of the world. I getthe impression he was merely playing on the warmongering Orientalists own view of Islam by using their preferred historic term.
Raashid
April 26th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Out of curiosity, what are your own religious heritage, upbringing and current leanings if any?
Raashid
April 26th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
You have a point, humans have been unable to settle which God is the true one for centuries and that includes better minds then those that frequent this site to post comments. This is a site for reason based analysis against war, not a theological debating forum.
Sam
April 26th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
The arab masses are awakening from a long hibernation.This is an epochal revolution due to social inequity,oppression,lack of freedom ,opportunities for the younger generation and a deeply felt humiliation caused by the west.It would not be possible to stop it by violence. Let's pray that a bigger war, which would make matters worse,doesn't take place, because of the rivalry USA-Iran (China) and the credit crisis.
John_Muhammad
April 26th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
If Israel could get away with it, it would annex the whole of Jerusalem for itself to the exclusion of everyone but Jews- their actions vis-a-vis the annexation of blocks of Palestinian neighborhoods only proves this. Of course, some Christians would be allowed in, but I suspect that would be only a bone thrown to the US to help insure a continuation of welfare payments.
You seem to forget that there are many factors involved in every issue touching on Israel and it's excesses- access to holy sites is only one of them, and it has EVERYTHING to do with Israeli expansion (read: lebensraum) at the expense of everyone else.