Libya and the Obama Cult
How the President conned his supporters – and his enemies
It seems like only yesterday that I wrote the following:
"We are already half way down the slippery slope of Libya’s internal turmoil, and we’re in so deep at this point that I cannot see our way out for quite some time. The President is reported to have told congressional leaders that the intervention should last "days, not weeks," and this is the biggest lie of all, a lie the President is apparently telling himself as well as us. We now own Libya’s insurrection: its fate belongs to us, and we’ll be wearing that albatross around our necks for quite some time to come."
Heck, it was only yesterday, come to think of it. The same day someone in the Obama administration leaked the news that the CIA has had its boots on Libyan ground for at least the past three weeks. I can’t say I’m shocked, but some people are:
"It’s so surreal, so discordant with what the president has told the American people, so fantastically contrary to everything he campaigned on, that I will simply wait for more confirmation than this before commenting further. I simply cannot believe it."
Believe it, Mary – and get over it. And by "it," I mean devotion to the cult of Obama, the hypnotizing effect of which has blinded his partisans to the reality that they’ve been conned – big time.
Of course Libya is crawling with CIA, as well as British, French, and Italian spooks, and what they’re gathering is a lot more than "intelligence": they’re out there collecting potential "leaders" among the rebels, choosing up sides, determining who will go on the payroll and who will be quietly sidelined or eliminated. I don’t know why Andrew Sullivan is pretending to be so surprised: how else are the "Allied" nations "and NGOs," meeting in London, going to provide "political guidance" to post-Gadhafi Libya?
I love the part about the participation of the NGOs: this is transnational progressivism in action. This is what Sullivan and his fellow fools voted for, and now they’re getting it. All the whining about how its "fantastically contrary to what he campaigned on" is yet more evidence of cultic blindness: after all, if Obama refused to rule out bombing Iran, why not bomb easy pickings like Libya? In his reaction to the Georgian attack on South Ossetia and Abkhazia, you’ll recall, Obama competed with McCain to see who could maintain a more belligerently anti-Russian stance.
He said he wasn’t against all wars, just "dumb wars," a phraseology that invites the cultist to project his own evaluation of what constitutes dumbness into the mind of the Great Leader.
A statement issued by British Foreign Minister William Hague said those at the London conference "agreed that Gadhafi and his regime have completely lost legitimacy and will be held accountable for their actions." Translation: Forget about a negotiated settlement – this is a fight to the death. By signaling Gadhafi that he will either die fighting, or stand trial at their kangaroo court at the Hague, the Western powers are ensuring that this will not end soon.
Such intransigence seems odd coming from these alleged "humanitarian" interventionists, who, according to our President, were acting only to avert a "massacre." Why, then, take action to prolong the killing – or is there some motive behind this war that is not quite as "humanitarian" as these Do-Gooders-with-a-sword would have us believe?
The US and its allies are fighting a religious war, not in the sense of the Christian crusaderism of the previous administration, but because only religious authorities have previously claimed such overweening moral authority.
The clueless pawns who imagine themselves "leaders" of the conservative movement are so busy conjuring far-fetched visions of Sharia law taking over America, that they’re caught flat-footed when the real holier-than-thou warriors take up arms in the name of the "responsibility to protect." Newt Gingrich is so focused selling his updated version of "Red Dawn," where American women are forced to wear the chador and the President is replaced by a Caliph, that he and his ilk haven’t noticed the progress of our very own secular jihadists, who are conducting a holy war – on an international scale — of political and moral "uplift." As Rand Paul so cleverly put it the other day:
"I was happy to see that Newt Gingrich has staked out a position on the war, a position, or two, or maybe three. I don’t know. I think he has more war positions than he’s had wives.
"There’s a big debate over there. Fox News can’t decide, what do they love more, bombing the Middle East or bashing the president? It’s like I was over there and there was an anchor going, they were pleading, can’t we do both? Can’t we bomb the Middle East and bash the president at the same time? How are we going to make this work?"
Like all US wars since the Revolution, this one is about the internal politics of the US, rather than a real external threat to our security. The Clintonian wing of the Democratic party is determined to regain power, and Hillary’s push for war is the spearhead of the Restoration. The Clintonites are determined to outflank the Republican party in the foreign policy field, and eliminate the Democrats’ alleged "national security deficit" once and for all, albeit while swathed in a penumbra of moral righteousness.
The Republicans, who have presided over the most aggressive expansion of the American empire since the days of Teddy Roosevelt, are in no position to criticize this new crusade in the Middle East. They do so with the albatross of Iraq weighing heavily around their necks. Politically, it’s win-win for the Democrats, as they gear up to save what remains of their hold on power. While the American public may have its doubts about this particular intervention, this is more than balanced out by the general perception that the Democrats are just as "tough" as the Republicans, if not more so.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, although pursued with some alacrity by the Obama-ites, are the legacy of the previous administration. This is a war the White House can call its own – and it surely bears the trademark arrogance and slippery two-faced double-dealing that is the hallmark of Team Obama.
The "Arab Spring" that was previously being celebrated and closely watched the world over has now been co-opted and transformed into something else entirely. Faced with the prospect of losing its Middle Eastern allies to a wave of uprisings, the Americans have decided to go with the flow, so to speak, and try to control it as best they can.
In Syria, these events are being watched very closely, of that you can be sure. By the time this column is posted we’ll see calls to intervene there, too. If and when Iran’s "Green" movement takes to the streets again, the US and its allies are telling Tehran they’re prepared to give the mullahs the Gadhafi treatment. Yes, Washington may suffer a few more losses, such as in Egypt: Yemen looks shaky, and Bahrain not much better, but these are countries on the margins of the Middle East. The core – Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq – is secure, for the moment, and the acquisition of Libya will be a major gain. As Rahm Emmanuel would put it, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."
The Libyan people certainly have a right to rebel against the sinister clown Gadhafi. They also would be fools not to accept such aid as they can manage to find in order to win their fight. The problem is that the price of that aid will be so high that their independence will be compromised beyond redemption. It may be preferable to have one’s future "mapped out" by the Western powers acting in the name of the "international community," rather than by an aging autocrat with delusions of grandeur, but in the end they’ll rebel against that, too, and rightly so.
Libya is but a prelude to a major extension of US power and influence in the region, the first war in a series that will culminate in the final assault on Iran. This is what the Israelis, lurking in the background, are counting on, and what their energetic American lobby is furiously campaigning for. The Clinton faction, having seized control of the foreign policy-making apparatus, is fully on board, and there’s no one of any consequence in the Democratic party to oppose their course.
So get ready for the big build-up – and buckle your seat-belts, because the main event is going to make the wars of the Bush era look like a garden party.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013
- Carla del Ponte’s Faux Pas – May 7th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
March 31st, 2011 at 9:46 pm
You are really hitting grand slam home runs Justin. I was a conservative that has been against these wars from the beginning. I could not even type, but was so enraged by all the lies that were being told that I started pecking out stuff on internet blogs. I have tried to talk to conservatives that should know better about the Bush's and the lies that they told. Most people don't want to hear it. Now there finally are some new people in the movement that are opening their eyes and mouths. They know that this is ruining the countries finances and that the conservative movement was sold down the river by the Bush crowd. Obama is a big goverment liberal who is loved by the left for his economic and social programs. They also like humanitarian intervention. The only hope for this country getting out of this mess comes from the growing minority of anti- war libertarians and conservatives. I give the odds as maybe 20% that the mess Justin talks about can be avoided.
RickR30
March 31st, 2011 at 10:41 pm
If these rebels truly care about their country they better be careful about asking for US help. What is the condition now of all those countries were we intervened?
Paul's comments are on the spot. Now that Democrats have become another neocon faction, what exactly do Republicans have to offer that is different or better? Is the next election going to center on who is going to invade Iran quicker? On who is going to come up with a more brutal Patriot Act? Who can dismantle the Constitution more efficiently? Who's going direct even more taxpayer money to the Death & Destruction Mafia, LLC.? While American cheer and chant of hope and change…
Baruch Obama who was on his way to becoming the most irrelevant and worst president in the history of the US suddenly is going to get bipartisan support and the entire madmurdoch propaganda machine behind him so that he can easily win his second term, a term that was practically lost. Anti-war conservatives better start working soon to get the message out that war is a choice and that there is an alternative to the neocon right and the neocon left.
epppie
March 31st, 2011 at 11:02 pm
This …
"This is what Sullivan and his fellow fools voted for, and now they’re getting it. All the whining about how its "fantastically contrary to what he campaigned on" is yet more evidence of cultic blindness: after all, if Obama refused to rule out bombing Iran, why not bomb easy pickings like Libya? In his reaction to the Georgian attack on South Ossetia and Abkhazia, you’ll recall, Obama competed with McCain to see who could maintain a more belligerently anti-Russian stance. "
… is just so well said, only I don't see them as fools. No, they can't be that stupid. I see them as willful propagandizers.
dink
March 31st, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Make the Warmongers tell us the costs up front. Most want to pretend there are no costs.
Yesterdays Testimony shows " Gates made clear Thursday that the Defense Department cannot afford to pay for the operation on its own and would likely need to request a supplement budget to fund the operation. ". Some Republicans are putting light on the truth: "U.S Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., just introduced a bill aimed at ensuring the Libya operation does not add to the deficit. The Bartlett proposal would require the president to provide Congress with a list of proposed cuts from the discretionary, non-military section of the budget to cover the military's expenses in Libya. ' says 'The Hill website. While others are running full steam and afraid of the will of the American people ( John McCain, R-Ariz., John Kerry, D-Mass, GOP Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.)
"An aide to McCain said the group wants to introduce something "sooner rather than later," as there is a growing concern that some senators could introduce a resolution to force an end to the current mission in the north African nation. " This is only the Senate, these semi-self appointed global cops are afraid. They rather have you be pay the tab for their adventures versus the business of the United States. Now is the time to fight by being heard.
epppie
March 31st, 2011 at 11:29 pm
This too…
"Libya is but a prelude to a major extension of US power and influence in the region, the first war in a series that will culminate in the final assault on Iran. This is what the Israelis, lurking in the background, are counting on, and what their energetic American lobby is furiously campaigning for. The Clinton faction, having seized control of the foreign policy-making apparatus, is fully on board, and there’s no one of any consequence in the Democratic party to oppose their course.
So get ready for the big build-up – and buckle your seat-belts, because the main event is going to make the wars of the Bush era look like a garden party."
… is just so sharp and to the point. I wish more writers would write this strongly, especially in the Left itself.
Tulsa
March 31st, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Justin Has been saying Iran is just around the corner since 2003 and melds is columns to that narrative. I'll believe it when I see it. However I do agree that most warfare is about domestic poltics and more importantly keeping the MIC flush with cash.
JLS
March 31st, 2011 at 11:49 pm
You type pretty good now!
Jeremiah
March 31st, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Excellent analysis, Mr. Raimondo — though horribly unsettling. No one can doubt, at any rate, that we're living in "interesting times." Here we have Obama — Mr. Prince of Peace himself — doing his part to revivify and rebrand the Middle Eastern "freedom agenda" of the Bush years, while much of Team Blue cheers. Why, it just goes to show you: coat Republican dung with a crunchy coat of Clintonian "humanitarianism" and the faithful will swallow it with relish. Moreover, in so openly eschewing a congressional rubber stamp — and in declaring that any future legislative attempt to limit the President's war-making in Libya will be ignored — the Obama-Clinton regime is announcing the full maturity of the Imperial Presidency. If this declaration of executive independence goes unchallenged, it will further free the already licentious hands of the current administration, as well as those of future imperatores, in launching interventions on the bases of "humanitarianism" and an increasingly amorphous set of US "interests." In any case, it definitely looks like we're slouching toward Tehran, perhaps by way of Tripoli and Damascus.
JohnDowser
March 31st, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Is there really any rationale needed anymore? Do we still need to ascribe a motive to the drive towards war? Raimondo often used the imagery of Ares, a bloodthirsty god who keeps on demanding new sacrifices on the altar. No rhyme or reason needed! The goal is the sense of purpose, the crushing agony of the machine itself? I can only take the imagery literal these days. The philosophy of war has become religion.
Loyalty to just a sense, a promise of power and glory but even this has been superseded: Liberals, Conservatives, European social-democrats, all have joined the One chorus. It's like Nietzsche's brooding sense of nihilism is playing out before our eyes: "For some time now, our whole European culture has been moving toward a catastrophe, with a tortured tension that is growing decade to decade: restlessly, violently, headlong, like a river that wants to reach the end, that no longer reflects, that is afraid to reflect".
mickperry
April 1st, 2011 at 12:26 am
Viewed from the UK, there is one impending 'main event' that threatens to make all US past, present and future wars look like a garden party, because in a supremely ironic episode of history, Japan is about to nuke us all. Putting the impending nightmare aside for a moment though; Justin, the last time I looked, David Cameron was still our Prime Minister, and William Hague our Foreign secretary. They are members of our fictional government that everybody here is too embarrassed to admit to voting for. Next to these two war-hungry fools, Obama comes across as a mature international statesman; in much the same way that Glen Beck makes Bill O'Reilly appear rational.
Claus Eric Hamle
April 1st, 2011 at 1:14 am
United Bluff, UK and France are using weapons with DU in the attack. This is a war crime. Fallujah is worse than Hiroshima because of DU. The new "leader" of the revolution in Libya lived near CIA headquarters in Virginia for 20 years. He didn´t have a job but lived quite well. What attacks on civilians? Like Saddam´s WMD ? As they say in AI: The main enemy is United Bluff.
emsnews
April 1st, 2011 at 4:19 am
Meanwhile, Israel announces they will keep the Gaza Ghetto strangled for 100 years. One thing the US should fear is the Apocalypse. This is due to a conspiracy between born again Christians wanting a violent Jesus to come and kill all non-believers…especially the Jews…and the Zionists who want more property and are very greedy. Possessing control of the world's biggest nuclear arsenal and with hyper control of Congress and the Presidency of both parties, this bizarre misalliance is extremely dangerous.
The endless wars against the civilian population of Muslim states is the beginning of this process, not the end. The end result is when Japan's insane actions leads to war with both Russia and China at the same time.
emsnews
April 1st, 2011 at 4:23 am
Ten years ago with the rise of Putin's power in Russia which is reviving as a global power, Europe collectively decided to not buy energy from Russia but rather, from Libya and Saudi Arabia. Suddenly, Libya fell off the map and exports collapsed so the governments in several European states suddenly decided to revive colonial power in Libya. That is, France and Italy continued policies hatched 200 years ago!
This way, they don't need Russian energy and Russia can't be more powerful a force in the EU. The EU is a fictional system, a very poorly designed confederation. It will eventually collapse into ruin because of internal tensions. Half will end up in Russia's orbit (eastern Europe and Germany) and half in the UK/French orbit. And for the last 1,000 years, France and England have hated each other very greatly…hahaha.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
April 1st, 2011 at 4:37 am
Great article until the two paragraphs before your conclusion. The Libyan "rebellion" is a CIA plotted armed aggression. Stop calling Qadhafi a clown. The clowns are Obama, Sarkozy and Cameron and all the bombing happy dwarfs who enlisted with them. Get your facts straight. Syria and Iran are indeed next, but it's not a strategy, it's as Brendan O'Neill put it, the "barbarism of buffoons".
Vojkan Milosavljevic
April 1st, 2011 at 4:59 am
Qadhafi has managed to keep Libya independent for 42 years, and he has managed to provide his folk with the best living standard in Africa, in spite of the vultures lurking on Libya's oil and gas. It took the three stooges I mentioned far less time to destroy their fellow citizens' living standard.
liveload
April 1st, 2011 at 5:07 am
Our interventions only serve to make things worse in the long run. It's the old reverse Midas touch at play again. The only thing that really changes are the lightning rods at the top; the bank accounts the blood money flows into. The same crap still goes on: torture, death squads, political and social repression, freedom of movement and speech. Every. Single. Time. The list of our benevolent butchery goes back a long time. Yet another in a long line of great steaming piles of American Intervention®. Because "Leave Them Alone" just isn't any fun. Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
John V. Walsh
April 1st, 2011 at 5:14 am
Good column, Justin.
Several points.
First I notice that the Left sites are not nearly as ferocious in opposing this war as is AW.C. That was also true under Bush. They seem to have lapsed back into semi-satisfaction with their lot, a comatose state that is surely prelude to their demise soon. There is no passion over there and they are hardly breathing with only a few exceptions.
Second, not enough attention is paid to the effect on the world. Qaddafi is surely saying to himself that he was a fool to give up his weapons program. The Mullahs are drawing the same conclusion as are Putin and the Chinese. And the North Koreans look like wise men. America is not to be trusted. If you have not been on board all along, then watch out no matter what the US promises. Putin's Russia already learned this once the hard way.
Thus does Obama and the policy of Empire cause nuclear proliferation and ever more arms buildup on the planet.
(It is remarkable that the man who negotiated away Qaddafi's weapons program, a man never trusted by Qaddafi's son, has now defected to the West. How long has he been a CIA asset one wonders.)
John V. Walsh
Andrew
April 1st, 2011 at 5:28 am
Didn't con me at all. I predicted he would be your Tony Blair which is a pretty close call.
oneselbow
April 1st, 2011 at 6:17 am
Why do people read Sullivan, let alone quote him?
Vojkan Milosavljevic
April 1st, 2011 at 7:09 am
Well, regarding the living standard of Libyans, a Tunisian with family ties in Benghazi just contradicted me. Me wrong. But the rest of my comment remains valid.
Little Paulie
April 1st, 2011 at 7:38 am
Good points. Nice to see that someone here understands that Iran and Syria are in America and Israel's crosshairs now and that everything they covertly do in the Middle East revolves around somehow undermining those two countries. They know that they have to take our Syria (and Hezbollah in Lebanon, too) before they can start their war with Iran so that the war will only be on one front and so that Israel isn't overwhelmed with rocket fire coming from all directions. I wonder, though, how it will all ultimately unfold…
robt
April 1st, 2011 at 8:08 am
Probably the only positive memorable thing that Jimmy Carter introduced was the concept of 'zero-based budgeting', the idea of justifying each expenditure rather than just building on what exists. A progression of this would be zero-base thinking and the logical exercise of returning to first principles as it relates to tactical action.
Our so-called 'leaders' have completely bought into the notion of Gaddafi must go at all costs, but the logical question is Why? Because Lockerbie was progressively resolved over the years and finally made Britain look like fools? Because Libyan money went to European politicians and they were outed? Because the West thinks it may get a better deal buying Libyan oil from Al Queda than Gaddafi? It can't really be because of some demonstrations in the streets; in that case Euroland should have bombed Washington for not giving the million-man march participants everything they wanted.
Better to just pack up and go home.
liberranter
April 1st, 2011 at 8:27 am
If these rebels truly care about their country they better be careful about asking for US help.
Ah, you're being far too kind, Rick. The more apt phrasing of your statement is "any group in rebellion against their own government that asks the United Fascialist State of Amerika for help deserves to suffer the consequences of their stupidity.
liberranter
April 1st, 2011 at 8:31 am
For the same reason deluded people listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Liddy, Beck, et al.: they tell people what they want to hear, their verbal vomitus pandering to their audience's basest, most violent emotions.
liberranter
April 1st, 2011 at 8:34 am
Japan is about to nuke us all.
LOL, yes, I brought that up as soon as the first nukeleaks made the news. What goes around, comes around. Karma sure is a bitch.
robt
April 1st, 2011 at 8:50 am
Today's hopes – lotta 'ifs' and 'ors' in there… http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-01/libya-re…
Gates said he saw several end-game scenarios involving Qaddafi.
“One is that a member of his own family kills him, or one of his inner circle kills him, or the military fractures, or the opposition, with the degradation of Qaddafi’s military capabilities rise up again,” Gates said.
Even a 'Peace' group has invasion hopes!
"Jan Techau, director of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Brussels and a former analyst at the NATO Defense College, said the rebel withdrawal means the allies must expand assistance to opposition groups.
'I don’t know if this is a precursor for allied ground forces but we are clearly going to see stepped up aid,' Techau said in a telephone interview.
Love the Carnegie Library idea, but did the old man hope for this when he bequested money?
freshnotbitter
April 1st, 2011 at 8:53 am
Obama did not campaign on his plan for the Arabian revolts because no such revolt was forseen in '08.
Given the situation we are in – the situation left to us by Bush and the neocons – we ought to encourage Obama to buffer the revolts as best he can while being sure to get out of the way when the regimes are toppled.
And I am tired of the voices on the right who "warn" that the successors to Qaddafi et al will be unsavory. Nobody expects the anti-thesis to dictatorship to emerge after the revolution. When has that ever happened?
Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. That is the way of history. What the synthesis of Islam and modern Arabia turns out to be in practice may be anybody's guess. Trying to stop it with Bush's corporate socialism or Hillary's bureaucratic totalitarianism may be where the mistakes occur. I say we help the revolts and deal with whatever develops without creating more dependent Frankenstein's monsters like Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo. They are unnecessary. Arabs are materialistic. We just need to sell them stuff. Sounds simple. It is.
freshnotbitter
April 1st, 2011 at 8:55 am
Wait, I'm not sure I read that correctly. You say a Republican introduced a bill which prohibit congress from adding to the deficit with defence spending in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Terrance&Philip
April 1st, 2011 at 9:06 am
"It’s so surreal, so discordant with what the president[Obama] has told the American people, so fantastically contrary to everything he campaigned on, that I will simply wait for more confirmation than this before commenting further. I simply cannot believe it."
Obama is a politician. Almost all politicians lie. No rational human being should be surprised that Obama was lying and is a liar.
I will NOT be voting for Obama again for president in 2014. In fact, if I don't cast my vote for Ron Paul in 2012 (and I am not a Paulista) or someone at least as independent, then I simply will not cast a vote for the President that election.
Ira7Epstein
April 1st, 2011 at 9:12 am
There might be CIA operatives on the ground in Libya, but there still is no large scale presence of US troops. This fact gives me hope that it is still not to late to pull back from the abyss that is Libya. Perhaps, the Republicans out of partisan spite will vote to defund the war in Libya.
I am beginning to hope that other governments around the world begin to realize that the US government is bankrupt, and will refuse to buy US treasuries. That will put an end to the US government instigated conflagration you are predicting in the Middle East. There is also life after bankruptcy. Japan and Germany recovered from far worse catastrophes that now face the United States. With the collapse of the US empire and financial collapse of the US government we might even witness a new birth of freedom in the United States
Terrance&Philip
April 1st, 2011 at 9:13 am
FTA: 'A statement issued by British Prime Minister William Hague said those at the London conference "agreed that Gadhafi and his regime have completely lost legitimacy and will be held accountable for their actions." '
With its failure to safeguard and protect this nation's citizens and their welfare and routinely subordinating them to the interests of corporate and foreign powers, it is impossible to argue that our own government has not lost its legitmacy and that it needs to be radically reformed or replaced. As it now stands, "our" government is, in fact, an occupying force, hostile to the interests of the majority of this country's citizens and working, in the main, against them.
Terrance&Philip
April 1st, 2011 at 9:20 am
Spot on.
"We'll make them [the rebels] an offer they can't refuse."
Vojkan Milosavljevic
April 1st, 2011 at 10:02 am
As I said, get your facts straight, Hague is First Secretary of State not Prime Minister. If you make such approximations, how do you expect to be credible?
musings
April 1st, 2011 at 10:04 am
I keep noticing the geography thing. Bear with me. If oil from Libya comes through the Med (and mind you, I have no idea how much of it can be taken out), then if the Persian Gulf is compromised by a war with Iran or something like a decapitation of their leadership, it would still be possible to get oil to some nations.
I think the Libya thing is just another prep for something bigger.
As for Obama – unprincipled and despicable as he is – why does anyone think a lawyer makes the best President anyway – law school teaches you to argue rich peoples' interests, and to take their part even if they have no right or justice on their side – is almost as slick as Bill Clinton. In fact Obama is even slicker, because he comes across as down home African- American, when in reality, the First Lady is much more so. Bill Clinton and Hillary will probably never hold the major power spot again, although she seems to be getting her way with foreign policy.
I think Obama is there to sell continuous war in the Mideast in an age of Peak Oil, for the Democrats. Now, as Justin observed, both sides of the political spectrum are on board (when you have Fox cheering as bombs fall on Moslems). The rape story, which I rather doubt, is another PR move. I wonder what Hill and Knowlton-like firm is handling it? Can anyone find out? And CIA on the ground in Libya for three weeks – only that long? Pulease… Check out the vetting of Gadhafi's son by the likes of Deepak Chopra (who also associated with Gorbachev – this is not your ordinary guru)…
And so it goes…
Vojkan Milosavljevic
April 1st, 2011 at 10:06 am
And he is
Sorry, I forgot, he's also Foreign Secretary, the same position as Hillary Clinton in the US. Please, without precision, you bear no credibility.
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Bill
April 1st, 2011 at 10:10 am
Too late.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
April 1st, 2011 at 10:10 am
Maybe the "And he is" was a mistype, but the "*" definitely wasn't.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
April 1st, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Perhaps because I'm not American, I look at things as a neutral observer, rather than a partisan of any cause, outraged by the easiness with which talentless, stupid, greedy, envious buffoons dispose of human lives ;)
Pat
April 1st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
I keep reading that Turkey is saying this or doing that about Libya, and on and on and on.
Will someone please tell Turkey to shut up? Its leaders are blowhards who try to stick their noses into everything.
jeff_davis
April 1st, 2011 at 1:33 pm
To give your rejection of Obama the greatest weight, vote against him. Vote FOR the other guy. Tthat puts the Obama cult in the position of needing two votes just to even things up. Hope you're in a swing state.
Little Paulie
April 1st, 2011 at 1:34 pm
They'll get to Iran soon enough. The war between Israel and Hezbollah should take place this summer. And it will be super-deadly because neither side will capitulate easily. Israel has to restore its deterrence capacity and Hezbollah will fight on till the last drop of blood. I wonder how long it will last, who will come out the victor and how much damage both sides will sustain.
The war with Iran will probably take place during the next presidential election in 2012, and the public will support it since they have been psychologically brainwashed for the past 5 years to believe that Iran is their mortal enemy. And all of the presidential candidates will turn into war hawks because they know that supporting the war will get them more votes. I wonder if that will lead to WW3…I guess only time will tell.
BTW, our media has been suspiciously silent about Iran for a while probably because our populace can only concentrate on only one thing at a time and right now all that the media wants them to know is that Ghaddaffi is evil and has to go down.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
April 1st, 2011 at 1:36 pm
No Jeff. It was a real life, face to face brief exchange. Though I agree with all your remarks, because that's the picture I see, I can't dismiss what he told me about how the wealth just wasn't for everybody.
jeff_davis
April 1st, 2011 at 1:40 pm
The way to give your rejection of the Obama cult the greatest weight is not to stay home , or vote symbolically for Nader or Paul, but rather to vote against Obama, to vote FOR the other guy. That puts Obama two votes behind, the vote they lost when you said "Not!" and the vote they need to counter your vote FOR the other guy.
I hope you're in a swing state.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
April 1st, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Btw, he really felt uncomfortable about the Western intervention: "the matter should be solved by Libyans between themselves". My best translation of what an ordinary Arab guy told an ordinary Serbian guy in a casual conversation.
JLS
April 1st, 2011 at 2:22 pm
wow! I never thought of that.
Mr. Raven
April 1st, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Obama is NOT loved by the activist left Johnny! Activist leftist here NONE of my friends can stand Obama's crony capitalism and endless militarism.
Ira7Epstein
April 1st, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Perhaps, the leaders of Turkey are blowhards, but I have never known anyone to be killed by the hot air of politicians. At least members of the Turkish government are restricting themselves to words and not deeds, like bombing and killing innocent men, women, and children.
Ira7Epstein
April 1st, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Voting is a suckers game and merely adds legitmacy to the current criminal regime in DC. Your vote does not count. If the other guy wins the chances are he will be worse than the guy he replaced. For example, I thought no one could be worse than Bush, then Obama sleazed his way into office. Boy, I sure was stupid!
RED DAVE
April 1st, 2011 at 6:08 pm
JUstin says, "Obama is a big goverment liberal who is loved by the left for his economic and social programs."
Which just goes to show what a political ignoramous he is. Hint, Justin, liberals are not part of the Left. the Left is anti-capitalist. Liberals, like the Right (like you) are lovers of the capitalist system that causes all these wars.
You remind me of an alcoholic complaining about the effects of booze.
BINSAFI
April 1st, 2011 at 8:48 pm
This President Wields a Silver Tongue, and he can Talk the Talk!
Luckily, I Learned Long Ago to believe NONE of what I HEAR & only HALF of what I SEE!!
This Fiasco playing out in Libya, is Nothing but a Distraction that was planned out LONG AGO. It's Obvious Intention is to put out the FIRE, that's Burning Out Of CONTROL!!!
P.S. NATO has just Hammered the LAST NAIL in it's Coffin………………………
Peace, Love & Respect.
Andrewp111
April 1st, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Justin is dead right about the Clinton's. Hillary came very close to resigning over Libya and running against Obama for the nomination, which is why Obama had to do what she wanted. Obama does not care if Gates resigns because Gates has no political ambitions. But Hillary does. And if the Libya adventure goes badly, Obama takes the blame, not Hillary.
The Clintonites like Samantha Power are also motivated by their own guilt over Rwanda. They stood by and did nothing while 6 million were slaughtered in a well planned genocide. But Libya isn't Rwanda, and Libya is having a civil war between a dictator and opposing forces, not a genocide.
Andrewp111
April 1st, 2011 at 9:47 pm
He will just have to start an even larger war if the Libya adventure goes badly or simply fizzles out. And with the Middle East in turmoil, there are oh so many opportunities. Not to mention what would happen if there was another terrorist attack on the USA.
Clinton will never hold the Presidency unless the President, Vice President, Speaker, and Pro-Tem of the Senate are all killed at the same time. Intraparty challenges to a sitting president never succeed, but they can guarantee that the other party gets elected.
Andrewp111
April 1st, 2011 at 9:54 pm
A war with Iran will be very nasty, and Iran will probably have quite a few surprises in store for us, but it will not directly lead to WW III. There is no plausible mechanism as both Russia and China are smart enough to stay out of it and watch from a distance.
However, the thermonuclear destruction of Iran during a war with Israel could start a chain of events that eventually leads to WW III. The complete obliteration of Iran will discredit the Shia, and allow a Sunni to unify all of Islam under a single Caliph. Once a true Islamic superpower is created, the stage is prepared for a final confrontation between Islam and the West.
dink
April 2nd, 2011 at 2:08 am
This is about the intervention and debate exclusively on Libya. This is the breaking fight in the senate and House of representatives to define it. Afghanistan and Iraq are not in it.
There are factions in the Senate and House:. Interventionists and Noninterventists.
There are also with the new congress Republican factions that want spending controlled. What U.S Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md, introduced is basically (my reading, not his words) "Ok, Mr President you can intervene in LIbya but first you have to list to congress "to provide Congress with a list of proposed cuts from the discretionary, non-military section of the budget to cover the military's expenses in Libya." You can not put the Libyan war ('kinetic action , conflict) on credit. You have to give us a list that still allows the other non military programs you are going to get the money from.
Other Republicans and Democrats actions against deficit spending as related to Iraq and Afghanistan where in other votes. Hope that clarifies
MvGuy
April 2nd, 2011 at 8:27 am
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I just don't get how the comment by freshnotbitter gets -6 ……………. To me his comment is the Sword of Damocles………….. Back….. Back….. BACK!!! to the founding principles….Amity and commerce..!! No more Welfare Queen Nations or colonies……….
MvGuy
April 2nd, 2011 at 8:45 am
Which "other guy"..???
jeff_davis
April 2nd, 2011 at 10:12 am
@MVGuy: Which "other guy"..??? In a democratic primary, the other guy most likely to win. In the general election, the Repub other guy. Unless of course there is a viable third party candidate, such as The Accountability Party candidate, in which case you get to vote against both the Dems and Repubs.
http://theaccountabilityparty.wordpress.com/
"The Accountability Party? What's that?" you ask, puzzled, thinking you've missed some newsworthy "announcement". You haven't.
The Accountability Party is my little fantasy, created at this most opportune moment, when the Dems and Repubs are both out of favor. The Accountability Party is intended to be broad-based, having only two planks, so as to be robustly resistant to destruction by fragmentation.
The AP's two planks are Accountability and Jobs. Every other issue is relevant ONLY as seen through the lens of these two concerns. Otherwise the AP takes no position. "No position" means NO POSITION. No position means being "agnostic" on EVERYTHING else. Individual AP members have their own views of course, but as a unified organization, the AP takes no position on: abortion, taxes, gay marriage, gun rights, defense policy, campaign finance, racial discrimination, immigration, terrorism, hate-speech, Israel, education policy, environmentalism, global warming, etc.
The two issues to which the AP devotes its exclusive focus are: accountability and jobs.
ACCOUNTABILITY
No one is above the law. Everyone, but in particular persons in high position who have traditionally 'enjoyed' immunity from prosecution, will now have their get out of jail free cards voided.
And JOBS: everyone who wants a paycheck gets a paycheck. EV-REE-ONE.
Now you might well ask — certainly others will — "How you gonna implement the jobs program, and more to the point, how you gonna pay for it?" To which I reply, "You must always remember that the AP subordinates ALL OTHER ISSUES to paychecks/jobs and accountability, so the details of the fiscal policy behind the "JOBS" commitment is for the most part irrelevant. That said, the Treasury has a machine that prints checks, so the policy is secured, "Move right along. Nothing to see here." Whatever may be the details required to reconcile the jobs program with fiscal reality, the program itself is in stone, and non-negotiable. For the curious though, I would state the obvious: print the money, borrow the money, or tax someone. In terms of practical economics, it would be quite simple: The more robust the private sector economy, the greater the proportion of jobs it provides. The rest to be provided by govt, and financed,… however. (Personally, I like a progressive income tax, or a flat tax based on net worth, or a financial transaction tax, but I'll go along with whatever the AP figures out AFTER THE ELECTIONS HAVE BEEN WON.)
A major innovation: the AP does not conduct its campaigns by traditional methods. No TV, no radio, no interviews with mainstream journalists. TV, radio, and other conventional media are corporate. They are part of the illegitimate mainstream corporate and political power. They are part of the political opposition, they are gatekeepers of the process, and if you pay them for TV and radio ads, then you are feeding your political adversaries. The AP therefore, chooses to conduct its campaigns DIRECTLY with the voters, over the internet, no gatekeeper, no middleman — no corporate mediation-for-profit of the political process. A not-for-profit political process is crucial to eliminating corporate/govt corruption and restoring a healthy society. In this way, the AP takes money out of the political process.
There's more, but this is a start.
Jeff Davis: jrd1415@yahoo.com
Tweet this message. Let's get things moving.
Little Paulie
April 2nd, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Keep in mind that the Iranian Supreme Leader himself said that the war against Iran "will not be limited to Iran." This means that the Iranians are obviously going to attack random American interests around the world, and those attacks will be completely unpredictable and difficult to defend against since the US is a gigantic country with interests in practically every major city on earth. Another interpretation of this is that they will launch *real terrorist attacks* (as apposed to the fake ones the US government itself launched against America such as the 9/11 farce) against American civilians wherever they may be because the US bombing of Iran will unquestionably lead to the slaughter of thousands Iranian civilians.
So if our administration is willing to make risks like this they are obviously completely insane. But only time will tell what will happen so we'll just have to sit back and watch this stupid show go on until the next false flag operation against America is launch or until Israel and/or America provoke the Iranians into attacking them somehow.
Tiberius
April 2nd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
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jackbootstate
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:10 am
Six million killed in Rwanda? We're talking about Rwanda circa 1994, not Europe circa 1944. The population of the entire country circa 1994 was less than six million, peaking at just under seven million in the late '80's before the early 90's decline to about five million:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rwanda-demograp…
Estimates of the death toll range from 500,000 and 1,000,000.
jackbootstate
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:14 am
"Libya is but a prelude to a major extension of US power and influence in the region, the first war in a series that will culminate in the final assault on Iran…."
Yes, they will be setting up a permanent military presence in Libya. Difficult to say how and when they would go about attacking Iran. It would most likely come after the election next year, if such an attack were to ever happen.
anti_republocrat
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:27 am
Well, John, I think that depends on how you define "the Left." There's a big difference between well funded, corporate-allied sites like Huffington Post and channels like MSNBC on the one hand and grass roots sites like http://www.commondreams.org/ and http://www.counterpunch.org/ on the other. Just as there's a big difference between Fox and this site or American Conservative. There's a difference between Barack Obomber and Dennis Kucinich just as there's a difference between John Bawler (Boehner) and the Ron Paul.
It's time to stop blanket trashing of "the Left" or "the Right". We're playing into the elite divide and conquer strategy. Even where criticism is justified, such as Ed Schulz's foolish support of the Libya intervention, we need to be specific about what we're criticizing. He's been spot on when it comes to Wisconsin, though I'm sure there are lots of libertarians here that would disagree with me.
What we have here is a concerted class war of bankers and militarists against the middle class and workers, using the old divide and conquer strategy of jingoism, fear and scapegoating of one group of workers like public employees. Anti-war, pro-middle class folks need to show some solidarity whenever they possibly can. If they can't agree on freedom and self-reliance vs security and social programs, they need to put that aside and grapple with first things first. The critical issues are imperialism, militarism, corporate bailouts and corruption. Until we halt those drains on our resources, the common good can not possibly be provided either through self-reliance and volunteerism or through government social programs.
John, I'm surprised by your divisiveness as I know you've been calling for unity between "right" and "left".
anti_republocrat
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:34 am
Voting is not a suckers game. It is supremely important to at least show up at the polls and do something other than vote for the Republican or the Democrat. Especially for President, there are almost always other choices such as Libertarian or Green. If there is no third alternative on the ballot, you can write in or simply not vote for that office. Republocrats are aware of "undervotes" and if enough people undervote, it will if nothing else show your discontent and instability in the system.
anti_republocrat
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:41 am
I like most of what you said here, but your original post sounded like that of a Republican shill. There is ALWAYS a third choice between Barack Obomber and some Repbulican neocon. If there's nobody on the ballot, then go to the polls but withhold your vote for President. Do not give legitimacy to the War Party by voting for someone like Newt, Michelle or Sarah.
Libertarian
April 3rd, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Why aren't more of you for developing U.S. domestic energy supplies, then? The U.S. has more natural gas, shale oil and coal resources than the top five Middle East producers combined.
liberranter
April 3rd, 2011 at 3:29 pm
BS. Ira is absolutely right. Voting is, if anything, worse than a sucker's game. At best it's a cynical, calculated ploy that encourages otherwise rational people to believe that they can use the raw power of some arbitrary demographic majority to impose costs and burdens upon others for their own narrow and selfish benefit. At worst it's a carefully orchestrated, equally cynical charade to give gullible morons the warm and fuzzing feeling that they have some actual power and influence over what are clearly preordained political outcomes constructed by entrench elites through a rigged and gamed system.
For someone who calls him/herself "anti_republocrat," it should be much more obvious to you by now that "voting" for some third party candidate who will be allowed at best token presence in the political system is the ultimate form of emotional masturbation, but nothing more. Do you really think that a lone Green or Libertarian who manages to successfully blunder his way into some minor elected office is going to have ANY measurable impact whatsoever on the demopublican/republicrat majority whose only objective is to maintain a hold on power? More to the point, how many of these third-party politicians do anything other than go with the flow once elected (think: Bernie Sanders)? While Ron Paul might be the one precious exception to the rule, he has been understandably unable, by himself, to bring about any measurable and long-lasting change.
Bottom line: as long as the current system remains in place –and short of complete socioeconomic implosion, it will– voting will remain a sucker's game.
Sam
April 3rd, 2011 at 3:42 pm
It is about to control the money supply.