Brits Bollix Benghazi Caper
'Diplomacy' or deception in the desert?
As the usual suspects started howling for Western intervention in the Libyan revolution – in the name of “humanitarianism,” of course – the objects of their concern made it clear they didn’t want or need any such “help.”
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates was right on the mark when he described this howling as nothing but “loose talk” – and just how loose was dramatized by the dispatch of a British Special Forces team to Eastern Libya, a move that backfired badly. The Libyan rebels made their point by detaining the team, whose ostensible mission, as described by Western media, was to “escort a junior diplomat” to “reach out” to the Libyan rebels. They were discovered in the Eastern part of the country, which is held by the rebels, and brought to Benghazi – where they were promptly clapped in jail. After holding them for some 24 hours, the rebels sent them packing.
As the embarrassing incident came to light, British Foreign Secretary William Hague sought to rationalize his government’s rash action:
“It is a very difficult situation to be able to understand in detail. There are a number of different opposition groups to Colonel Gadhafi in Libya who do seem relatively disparate.
‘We want to clearly understand what the dynamic is here because we want to be able to work with them to ensure the demise of the Gadhafi regime, to see a transition to greater stability in Libya and ultimately to more representative government.”
Translation: We just were unlucky enough to meet up with the wrong group – but give us time, we’ll find more pliable elements soon enough.
Undeterred by the rude reception, Hague promised that efforts to “contact” the Libyan opposition would continue. We can count on that, I’m sure. “We intend, in consultation with the opposition, to send a further team to strengthen our dialogue in due course,” he said. “This diplomatic effort is part of the UK’s wider work on Libya, including our ongoing humanitarian support. We continue to press for Gadhafi to step down and we will work with the international community to support the legitimate ambitions of the Libyan people.”
If the Libyan people should begin entertaining any ambitions considered illegitimate by Her Majesty’s Government, well, then, that’s another matter.
This incident raises a number of questions, including: what were the Brits really doing in Libya, and why – if this was a “diplomatic” mission – did it require the services of 8 SAS (Special Air Service) tough guys, members of Britain’s legendary elite commando unit, crack troops who are the tip of Britain’s interventionist spear? After all, the normal way to engage in diplomacy is to contact the government– or, in this case, the rebel committee in Benghazi – one wishes to communicate with, and make arrangements out in the open. Why send a covert action team, peopled with top-notch military personnel whose job is not to negotiate but to kill – unless one is not engaging in diplomacy but in other activities of a less benign nature?
The Guardian reports that this very odd “diplomatic” delegation consisted of 6 SAS officers and 2 MI6 intelligence agents – who arrived via helicopter, although from where is unknown at the moment – and cites a rebel source as saying:
“They were carrying espionage equipment, reconnaissance equipment, multiple passports and weapons. This is no way to conduct yourself during an uprising.
“Gadhafi is bringing in thousands of mercenaries to kill us, most are using foreign passports and how do we know who these people are?
“They say they’re British nationals and some of the passports they have are British. But the Israelis used British passports to kill that man in Dubai last year.”
That last sentence was quite a zinger, and I had to laugh out loud as I read it. The whole affair is uproarious, rather like a particularly subversive installment of Yes, Minister. As the Western powers try to mold, manipulate, and “manage” events on the ground in the Middle East, this is a measure of just how much credibility they have in the people’s eyes: zero. Go home – and stay there: that’s the message. And one can hardly blame the Libyans, especially in the case of the Brits.
After all, wasn’t it Tony Blair who held Gadhafi’s hand throughout the despot’s rather rapid “rehabilitation” – and signed a secret military agreement with the Libyan government, affixing his signature to a document pledging to arm and train Gadhafi’s “specialized military units, special forces and border security units?” It most certainly was. As a reward for capitulating to the West so readily and publicly, Gadhafi was also to be given access to NATO’s military secrets. All this was done during Blair’s last trip abroad as the representative of the British government, in which his job was clearly to say to the Libyan dictator: “Join the club, Moammar. You’re one of us, now!”
What I want to know is why, having pledged to train and support the very troops the rebels are now battling, the British government thought they could send a “diplomatic” team into the country and be greeted with open arms. Unless, of course, their mission wasn’t just an innocent diplomatic blunder, and was, instead, of a more sinister cast.
There’s no end of hilarity in this episode. Feast your eyes on this Telegraph story, which purports to tell us “what went wrong” with the SAS intervention. The subhead alone is priceless: “As the diplomatic team in Libya were rescued by HMS Cumberland after their humiliating capture, the Ministry of Defense was left trying to work out what on earth went wrong.” The tone of wide-eyed naivete persists throughout:
“When the helicopter touched down outside Benghazi in the early hours of Friday morning, the SAS troops on board knew they were entering a volatile situation. Tasked with escorting a diplomat to meet rebel Libyan forces and assessing the humanitarian situation on the ground, they did not, however, expect a hostile reception. With the British Government openly rejecting Colonel Moammar Gadhafi and already in dialogue with opposition leaders, it should have been an uncontroversial visit.”
Ah, but even the credulously pro-government Telegraph noted the, er, unusual circumstances of this diplomatic courtesy call:
“However, the manner of their arrival – in the dead of night, armed with weapons, maps and explosives while dressed in plain black clothing – did little to assuage local panic.”
Yes, that does seem a tad suspicious, now doesn’t it? But, of course, those excitable Libyans would go into a “panic.” Just because their country has been invaded and occupied countless times by foreigners, why get all huffy and hostile when a mysterious helicopter carrying armed foreigners arrives in the dead of night? I guess some people are just hypersensitive.
Whether the Brits really believed they would be showered with rose petals and hailed as saviors upon arrival, as the “allied” forces were supposed to have been greeted by grateful Iraqis in 2003, is almost beside the point. The point being that what is happening in Libya, and throughout North Africa and the Middle East, is the exact opposite of what occurred in Iraq, and – contra Charles Krauthammer – refutes the Bush Doctrine that served to justify the invasion.
The idea that Washington could lead a regional revolution against corrupt authoritarians who ruled with our open support – in Tunisia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf emirates – is such an obvious contradiction that several observers doubted the President’s sincerity, concluding that Bush’s “global democratic revolution” was just an ideological cover for some ulterior motive – oil, Israel’s “security,” or some combination of the two.
In order to “drain the swamp” of the Middle East, and eliminate the conditions that led to the proliferation of terrorism in the Muslim world – as the neoconservative Deep Thinkers theorized – the first obstacles to be removed were US allies in the region: Tunisia’s Ben Ali, Pharaoh Mubarak, and the tinpot kings and emirs of the Gulf. In any genuinely revolutionary upsurge in support of democracy these characters would logically be the first to go – and so they are gone, or going very shortly. The very fact that these tyrants were – and are – valued allies of the American Imperium will mean that we can expect the same “welcome” experienced by our British partners.
As the tag team of John McCain and Joe Lieberman calls for all measures short of an outright invasion to “help” the rebels, the War Party is being told firmly but politely “thanks but no thanks” by the emerging rebel leadership.
Aside from the complete repudiation of the War Party’s agenda, what’s interesting about this story of a spy mission gone bad is the question of just what these “special forces” were really doing in Libya. My guess is they were trying to aid a particular faction of the Libyan opposition by providing its members with logistical and military support. They could hardly do so openly, and so they arrived in the dead of night, armed to the teeth and loaded down with enough spy paraphernalia to outfit a James Bond movie.
Apparently determined to provide as much comedic relief during the Libyan crisis as possible, the Telegraph released a partial transcript of the conversation between the British ambassador, Richard Northern, and a rebel leader. Here is Mr. Northern, explaining what that crack team of British commandos and two spooks were up to:
“We have been planning to send some officials to stay in Benghazi to liaise with you, with the National Council,. … And we sent today, ahead of those officials who were coming, we sent a small group just to find if there was a hotel, if everything was working, if there was somewhere they could stay and work when we get our group organized.”
Did the Ambassador really think the Libyans would fall for this? Somehow, I doubt it. A more calculated insult would be hard to imagine. The rebel leader, who is not named, responded with admirable calm: instead of berating Northern, the official said the matter is “under investigation.” That’s one investigation I would love to see pursued to the very end.
The hilarity ends, however, with the realization that this dubious “diplomatic” mission will have some real-world consequences, the first being that Gadhafi will use this incident to do what all tyrants do when their rule is challenged: point to a dreaded foreign threat to justify the continuation of their onerous rule. The Gadhafi clique has maintained from the very beginning that the rebellion is the result of a foreign “conspiracy” consisting of Washington, Al-Qaeda, and the purveyors of “hallucinogenic drugs.” To this rather disparate rogues gallery they can now add the Brits, giving the germ of credibility to Gadhafi’s somewhat LaRouchian paranoia – and prolonging the civil war that is tearing the country apart.
Speaking of paranoia: it almost makes one wonder if, perhaps, they did it on purpose – that they wanted to be caught. What else did they expect by landing in an open field, on the outskirts of a populated center? When confronted, they claimed they weren’t armed. From all accounts, however, they had enough explosives and other weapons to outfit a small army. So much for that “weapons embargo”!
The British government is saying – with a straight face – that they intend to send in yet more “diplomatic” missions, presumably with the agreement of the rebel high command, but if I were them I wouldn’t count on it.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
On another topic: If you’re wondering where the next Muslim domino is going to fall, I say look to Pakistan – where the corruption that provoked the ire of the Tunisians, Egyptians, Bahrainis, and Iraqis has reached Brobdingnagian proportions. And speaking of the Iraqis – expect the anti-government demonstrations to be met with even worse repression (dozens have already been killed by US-funded “security” forces), and the protests to grow much larger and more radical in their demands.
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Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Common Fallacies About
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- Voting Out the War Party? – February 16th, 2012
- The Pentagon’s Lie Machine – February 14th, 2012
- What Now? – February 12th, 2012





epppie
March 6th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Just couldn't resist a shot at American conspiracy theorists, could you? Just couldn't resist it.
mickperry
March 6th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
This is all so embarrassing: the second time in two weeks that in the midst of an uprising an Englishman in a suit gets caught out in North Africa with a group of people ready to dish out arms and munitions. David Cameron set a very bad precedent, and let's hope that the correct lessons have now been learned.
MvGuy
March 6th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
And this is with THE conservative government in…… Take the colonialists out of the colony and you still have a colonialist…. Perhaps Monsanto engineered that all Englishmen have it as a dominant gene…
JLS
March 6th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Damnit! Ever since old "Q" died and when they appointed a woman to be James Bond's boss everything has been going downhill.
RockyRococo
March 6th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Huge laugh at Ambassador Northern, so thoroughly outclassed by some anonymous Libyan rebel, beautiful.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 12:09 am
Guess that's why they keep retiring in the South of France. Food's healthier there.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 12:13 am
Three observations:
1) It looks like they've been truly taken aback by the events in Libya.
2) Western elites definitely don't have a damn clue about anything.
3) If it weren't tragic, it would have made a great Monty Python sketch.
MoT
March 7th, 2011 at 12:59 am
There was an explosion at an arms depot just about the time these folks were caught. Were they doing more than diplomacy?
mickperry
March 7th, 2011 at 1:26 am
In our defence MvGuy, I can only say that Julian Assange chose the UK from which to launch his own defence against ultimate extradition to the US. He's using English lawyers and the English courts to try and achieve justice. Meanwhile, on 26th February this year, spokesman for George Bush David Sherzer said: 'Six months ago, President Bush accepted an invitation to speak to the YPO Global Leadership Summit in Denver on February 26, 2011. This week, upon learning that Julian Assange had recently been invited to address the same summit, President Bush decided to cancel his appearance. The former president has no desire to share a forum with a man who has wilfully and repeatedly done great harm to the interests of the United States.' Citizens of the US are invited to comment on who has repeatedly and wilfully done the greater harm. Bush or Assange?
GUEST
March 7th, 2011 at 3:51 am
Everyone knows the rebels in east Libia are fundimentalists, the Brits were there to take out the leadership, only they just happened to get caught.
Frog
March 7th, 2011 at 3:57 am
"Carry On Up The Kyber Pass" with Sidney James has more credibility
007
March 7th, 2011 at 4:00 am
No "Are You Being Served" with Molly Sugden would be taken more seriously.
007
March 7th, 2011 at 4:09 am
On a serious note, no seriously, hehehe, I can't work out which ones the Banana Republic.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 4:13 am
Sometimes, I really wonder if some people commenting here are just cynical trolls or if they are genuine morons. 'Cause, if they're trolls, they really need lessons in humour.
007
March 7th, 2011 at 4:14 am
Gadhafi should reciprocate and send a helicopter full of SAS to England to make a donation to the Labour Party.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 4:40 am
Obviously, I don't have your references, and I have no will to Google to check them, since I've never been a Bond fan, I prefer Flint or Austin Powers. And your humour definitely isn't up to their level. I prefer the Monty Python.
geo1671
March 7th, 2011 at 5:18 am
Vojoke– watch this video and please reply http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDAGGDYaFzc
I'll bet you ain't no Serb :^(
geo1671
March 7th, 2011 at 5:21 am
Odd that Justin didn't refer to Brits caught in Iraq "Dressed like Arabs with a car filled with explosives, RPG's, automatic weapons and other bomb making material? " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDAGGDYaFzc
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 5:25 am
Nothing new in the video. You can train morons all you want but intelligence ain't something you can train.
How much are you willing to bet?
I'll give yo a hint, any former Yugoslav is capable of identifying with the precision of a military satellite the place of birth of any former Yugoslav just by accent. Arabs can too when it comes to Arabs.
Still willing to bet?
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 5:45 am
See my reply to you reply. Remember, SAS folks got the beat of their lives by a bunch of cafe servers in Macedonia back in 1999.
The Brits are nothing more than stiff loud mouths. Their time is long past gone but they just can't accept it.
And except Shakespeare, ok I like Blake and Wordsworth too, their tribute to mankind, the monstrosities they committed in their former colonies included, and their contemporary mores, can only make them deserve a one way ticket to the principality of darkness.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 6:28 am
Wanna play basketball? Or do you want a shoot out in a shooting range?
Bianca
March 7th, 2011 at 7:26 am
How tiresome. It is not at all hard to guess what they were up to. Just listen carefully to the WORDS of US and UK leaders. Now, the RED line is any massacre of population. Hmmm. Remember the convenient events in Bosnia, always staged just day ahead of major NATO meeting. Makale Market bombing, Breadline Massacre. Markets, food distribution centers, any other heavy concentration of civilians better expect this. It will be blamed to the you know whom, and it will be the club to bash the reluctant heads of NATO or UN. On the other hand, the whole attitude of UN SC is nothing short of fascinating. It felt like the world has just quietly decided to tell US, UK and France — go ahead! Just go ahead, full steam, we will nudge you if need be. What is this all about? There is just something about the whole thing that makes one pause. But that will never happen to the colonial gene. Caution is not part of it.
RED DAVE
March 7th, 2011 at 8:00 am
Everything I read about across the country indicates that Justin's fantasy left-right coalition is falling apart before it happens.
Rand Paul, darling of the libertarians, has joined the chorus for a no-fly zone in Libya.
The demonstrators in Wisconsin are beginning to raise the issue of the funding of the war. They have noticed that the money spent for the 150-odd Wisconsinites in Afghanistan (at $1 million per head) would close the gap in the state budget.
MichaelKenny
March 7th, 2011 at 8:11 am
No harm is done by having William Hague make a fool of himself! Of course, the EU has real concerns: they want to get their citizens out and they fear a new Somaila on their doorstep, with consequent floods of refugees landing on Lampedusa, not all of them Libyan. To say nothing of pirates! Many of those who have landed there have already disappeared into the night (they are not imprisoned in the refugee camps), probably now working their way north to other Member States, including Britain. Oil is not a problem, Russia has plenty to offer, but I'm sure EU governments would like to see Gadhafi Duck gone on his way.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Please, at least Justin tries to reach out, which is not your case.
Are you so embittered as to put your ideology before decency?
You want to make a revolution, feel free to put your life in line.
Americans have killed my brethren, they have bombarded my relatives and my friends, and I still don't feel like killing Americans. I'm still in a Gandhi mood.
Because I still believe that it is the most efficient way to topple murderers for good.
JLS
March 7th, 2011 at 8:16 am
hahaha…it would still make a great Monty Python sketch.
MvGuy
March 7th, 2011 at 8:21 am
SORRY mickperry, No disrespect to the British intended…….. But still one must observe that tone of "white man burden" and other elitist reflexes when displayed.. It is a far better trait than the "kick their ass and steal the gas" which passes for the Yankee colonial urge…. But seriously mick, you are too "on to their act" to get defensive and aren't we talking about the instincts of those who govern, not the interests of US the governed who pay the $4OO.OO gallon for fuel in Afghanistan. Not to assert that the dumbed down citizens in either country are capable of enlightened self interest at any time.. Too many special "interests" and "people" and especially that sports like Raw Raw for OUR guys…Your commentary here and all over the net is some of the very best!!!
MvGuy
March 7th, 2011 at 8:30 am
Basically, Gadaffi has disappointed or betrayed EVERYONE …..That is why his only refuge is in S. America and farther
bozh
March 7th, 2011 at 8:45 am
i did not expect nor ephemerally thought that the world fascists wld not intervene in bahrain, tunisia, egypt, yemen, libya, jordan, palestina, iraq, oman on behalf of local fascists or 'nobility'; such as aghas, beks, beys, deys, amirs, sheikhs, princes, sultans, and kings.
some phenomena in civic affairs never change: a minority, usually supremacistic in-though and behavior, rules with iron fist a vast majority of people. tnx
RED DAVE
March 7th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Justin reaches out on a false basis and tries to promulgate at false unity.
I am far from embittered. I don't put ideology above decency. i leave that to Justin, who will not support the Wisconsin labor movement due to his right-wing ideology.
Who said anything about revolution, but, yes, I am a socialist.
Enjoy your Gandhian mood. I myself am not fond of war. But The US has a nasty habit of supporting dictators around the world, including Qadaffi.
Exchanging new murderers for old is scarcely progress.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Please, don't get on the defensive. Maybe, you should try dialogue in order to sort your differences with Justin.
I was a socialist twenty years ago. But they betrayed decency for ideology. And they made me realise I was a libertarian before being a socialist.
And it's not only a US habit. Governments happen to feel comfortable dealing with dictatorships. The Americans happen to have power, but if any other government had any such power, the result would be just the same.
And I trust the governments in the former Yugoslavia and in my country of choice, France, to prove me right.
Politics don't – never have – bring/brought progress. Freedom always has been just a sparklet seeking to be adopted by a caring embrace.
geo1671
March 7th, 2011 at 10:49 am
I prefer duels by japanese swords or battle axes. If you don't have them handy–pitch forks will suffice ( no long handles please)–tosha :^)
avatar singh
March 7th, 2011 at 10:50 am
britis or rather english are a coward race who never directly attacks enemy of same streght but only when it has been weakned by others fighting agasint the enbemy. so brits make others fight thier enemy. britihs have won not a single wear since 1899 baor war on their own.
that is why britihs rely on spying and proaoganda of bbc and such english media to weaken wenemy and then make others fight them just like hyenas feasting on spiols of two lions too tired to eat the kill-the heynas being the true brits.
31st jan.2007.
What so called democracy really mean for the rapacious anglosaxon race(yes it is a race war by parasitic Anglo-Saxons against the rest of the world)
it is very important to realize and understand the trickery of the english race in manipulating usa to wage wars on behalf of britain which gains most from Iraq war and any war that usa imposes on the third world and even on Europe.
avatar singh
March 7th, 2011 at 10:51 am
The modus operandi of Britain is to make country and regions unstable and install british stooge with explicit instruction to bring the money -looted ones -to Britain from where it is not going to go anywhere else.
were the stooge of British in Russia and they brought so many ill gotten money to uk. So did the Kuwaitis-who brought 4 billions of pounds within a week of first Iraq war problem in august 1990 -so has continued the massive loot of the rest of the world by the English .race through this money protection racket . It is money protection racket in the sense that those eliete’s money is protected only when it is made to be lodged in British London banks. The witness, who appeared on the Rossiya channel with his face hidden and was referred to as Pyotr, accused 61-year-old Berezovsky of killing Alexander Litvinenko because the former security officer knew how the exiled tycoon had obtained political asylum in Britain in 2003. This thief boris berezosvky is a terrorist as well who calls for violet end to Putin-the president who is one of the most loved of his countrymen compared to any in the world.
As someone said “We live in a world where criminals are good guys and patriots are villains: where Berezovsky is a liberal “human rights” activist and Putin is a moral monster.” that putin who is one of the most popular leader of any in the world.
say even if Russia destroys usa then if Britain or rather england is allowed to exist then the english parasitic dog race will ,by very parasitic nature, will try to disrupt Russia or other countries’ existence. therefore instead of attacking usa or poland it is best policy of Russia to attrack and destroy to the whole of england which must be evaporated to a rubble.
IN ’88 when Dalai lama, at the height of Tibetan disturbances, visited west, the then british prime minister refused to meet Him. Later on with the demise of Russia and usefulness of China gone and with manipulation to keep power in Hong Kong somehow intact, the same british media and government ,like dog, started barking at China. It is interesting that amnesty international selectively targets those very countries( as it did china after cold war) who are out of favour (because they would not be a british stooge) of the british media and govt. This is not surprising as amnesty international is the creation of british govt, and british media. england with the most appalling record of human rights in last 200 years of her evil rule, needed some organisation to keep the others from charging england off her past and current evil practices. In other words it went for aggressive posture in propaganda war so that others can be demoralized and stopped from pointing out the real evil which is england. That is why amnesty international is one armour of the british lies to exploit the rest of the world. Amnesty international must be ignored and an independent human watchdog (which england will simply ignore) created. One purpose of amnesty international is to create an atmosphere for hatred towards the would be victims of british exploitation so that a victim could be blamed to have deserved the consequences. That is why ,now amnesty international sometimes threatens China, sometimes India and etc.
Mrs Margaret Thatcher, Britain’s so called iron Lady, refused to receive the Dalai Lama during his UK visit in the late-1980s for fear of offending his Chinese oppressors. Perhaps the iron in her was wrought iron, much given to bending in the heat.
In fact Britain is running a protection racket in the world through the help of american army-(because Britain is a third rate country with fourth rate army so it cannot do it on its own).
What Britain does is let the other countries be made instable (Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan etc) then let the british stooge be installed there-those people who have no following in own country and with strict instruction to those stooges that they will bring the money to britan,-that is how London has enriched itself in last 15 years after fall of soviet union. Billions of soviet money have flown illegally to London and the british court -kangaroo court if ever there was any -have not let the money go citing “it will harm england’s balance of payment”?
That is why british media gets incensed if the traitors like soviet spies are not left safe in Britain -because then the whole business of protection money racket and money that Britain gets is in jeopardy. That is what explains influx of foreign money to London and how London has overtaken new York in stock market. Forget about service industry -british are the most ill mannered race what service can they provide except protection racket on back of american arms? Britain is looting even usa. Through it is usa which has worked hard (through illegal invasions ) to make other countries unstable so that Britain can get money from protection of stooge elites of those countries..
the modus operandi of Britain is to make country and regions unstable and install british stooge with explicit instruction to bring the money -looted ones -to Britain from where it is not going to go anywhere else.
(Edited for antisemetic overtones.)
RED DAVE
March 7th, 2011 at 11:03 am
I have tried to dialog with Justin. Our differences on what constitutes an antiwar movment are irreconcilable. His people are Rand Paul and the Tea Party. My people are the workers in Wisconsin, who he abhors.
Any socialist who betrays decency for ideology is, in my opinion, no socialist at all. A stalinist, maybe, but not a socialist.
Loathe all capitalist and state capitalist governments: USA, Yugoslavia, USSR, France, China, Cuba, etc.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 11:18 am
I believe he's an open minded guy. I'm ideologically close to him but I don't like the Tea Party at all. I equally loathe the so called "Christian Right" and the "Hillbilly" left. And it's not about the US, I feel just the same for the fakes in Europe.
I am not American. But since the American "elite" has done a lot of harm to the rest of the world including my own roots, when I encounter Americans who don't feel like harming the rest of the world, I seek to befriend them even if we have differences.
Therefore, when I see Americans who have seemingly irreconcilable mutual differences but who wish no harm, I try to make them talk to each other.
theothercanada
March 7th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
The Brits are nothing more than stiff loud mouths. Their time is long past gone but they just can't accept it.
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Perhaps that is the reason why they broke up up your former country, killed your former President and had the collaborationist authorities in Serbia bury him under the tree like a dog?
abiman
March 7th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
If US is invited to eneter Libya to take sides, it will be like USSR in 1979 being invited to take sides.
Beoynd that something must be stinkingly rotten when an intervention is called for by John Yoo and by Frum.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Bear in mind that they never do anything on a face to face basis. Just watch them play Rugby. They're vicious but they have no guts.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
As for our collaborationists, I just never understood the fascination my brethren feel for the Brits. It's a totally irrational thing. I think it's a thing we share with our arch-enemies, the German.
They horrify us, and yet we like the Monty Python, Sherlock Holmes, Miss Marple, Islay whisky… There are a lot of things we like and there are even more thing we dislike about the UK.
They have more pervert imbeciles than any other country in the world and they are the only people where true perverts have ruled from times immemorial. That's what make us jittery :)
GradyWilson
March 7th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
"I believe he's (Justin) an open minded guy" -VM
LOL. Good one. I guess he's as 'open minded' as someone who justifies McCarthyism can be. Justin does some great writing – like today's excellent column – but lets not go overboard and pretend he "tries to reach out " (to the left). Raimondo has a rather obvious visceral hatred of the left which cannot be hidden by a few hollow words here and there. And his support of the Republican/Tea Party was/is rather pathetic don't you think? Especially considering he has for years talked about (correctly) the US two party system being a fraud. Maybe he hates public workers and unions more than he hates war?
GeoffreyTransom
March 7th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
If the Pom government really wanted to get in touch with all elements of the Libyan liberation movement simultaneously and at low cost, then they should simply set their chat client to irc.anonops.net and go – UNCLOAKED – into #OpLibya and ask for directions. (For fuller instructions they could get their low-rent IT folks to check out http://www.anonops.ru or http://www.anonymous.tc/ and go from there).
Instead the dot-govs seem to think it's all 'edgy and hard' to send cloaked lurkers to try to infiltrate the place (cloaked gov and mil get booted).
As with Egypt and Tunisia… Anonymous is in constant contact with the on-the-ground activists (Anonymous does not like using words like 'leaders' or even 'leadership structure – that is SO 'dot-gov' thinking) and can get information to and from all of the interested parties with ease.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Well, except for pitchforks, those are not usual weapons for Serbs.
As for pitchforks, they can inflict a lot of suffering. I'm not a sadist, I prefer more "immediate" weapons. The kind that kill without torturing. Any other idea?
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 7th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Btw, you obviously are too shy to use your real name, and since I am not to use mine, I would appreciate if you made an effort to spell it correctly when you address me.
Just a matter of civility.
geo1671
March 7th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
A serb fighting a serb? Any weapon of your choice– Mandatory that following utube music be playing in the background and under no condition, be pictures of Hillary or Albright displayed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8IWcc4qbHI&fe…
Back home? Fine with me!
Sam
March 7th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
America is picking about 25% of its oil from Africa (Nigeria, Angola,Equatorial guinea,Gabon, Sudan,etc…) and people down there have to live with i $ a day.US psison are of blacks,minorities. Is America racist?
Sam
March 7th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
America is picking about 25% of its oil from Africa (Nigeria, Angola,Equatorial guinea,Gabon, Sudan,Algeria,Lybia,etc…) and people down there have to live with 2 $ a day.US prisons are of blacks,latinos,minorities. Is America racist?
Sam
March 7th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
America is picking about 25% of its oil from Africa (Nigeria, Angola,Equatorial guinea,Gabon, Sudan,Algeria,Lybia,etc…) and people down there have to live with 2 $ a day.US prisons are full of blacks,latinos,minorities. Is America racist?
RED DAVE
March 7th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Good one, GW. My sentiments exactly. Given a choice between Rand Paul and a Wisconsin teacher, Justin will take Paul any day.
Sam
March 7th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
It is not only the MIC, but the PIC (prison industrial complex)
Andrewp111
March 7th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
It is actually in Western interest to keep Gadafi in power to prevent the fires of revolution from spreading to Saudi Arabia. The best thing is if Gadafi wipes out the rebels quickly, and if that can't happen, the next best thing is for "friendly" rebels to take power. So, I have to wonder what the Brits were really doing there?
jackbootstate
March 7th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
I think the West would like Qaddafi to step down so that they can have an "orderly transition", which is what they want to happen in Egypt. If he gets overthrown by the rebel side of this civil war, then the foreign meddlers, like the ones in London, won't be able to control the situation the way they would like.
I agree with Justin that Pakistan is probably ready to explode in revolt. As bad as the elite of Egypt are, I think the case could be made that they're even worse in Pakistan. Such a revolt would be happening right next to an American occupied country. That's why I hope the export of the Arab uprising hits Pakistan first.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 8th, 2011 at 2:27 am
Aren't you a bit masochist to watch those faces?
And btw, I have now wish to fight a Serb, that's why I proposed a hootout. You're the one who proposed leathal weapons.
max
March 8th, 2011 at 7:48 am
The west have to take the full responsability of what is happenening in Lybia , their support to the rebel has encouraged them to take arms and by doing so it is no longer a peacefull uprizing, I believe that William Hague should stick to what he is good at making speeches .
Have the UK and US politician thought about the one and a half refugees who are now trying to leave Lybia .
The introduction of the no fly zone will escalate the terms of fighting and the start of the real civil war between the various factions and tribes in Lybia on one hand and the army and the rebels on the other hand opening the the return to terrorizm I am sure there must be a better way to handle the situation in Lybia by independent mediation before it is too late.
Bianca
March 8th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Reading your self-contradictory comments, I can see why there are so many confused libertarians in this world. Justin is a great writer. And on the topic that is near and dear to many people — the foreign interventions and occupations — he is brilliant and uncompromising. This is how he and Ron Paul get our "hearts and minds". But there is the very dark side to this ideology. This is where Justin cannot help but be unmasked. He is unashamedly for a system that will continue robbing people until only slave masters and slaves are left. Yeah, he calls this freedom. What is a real irony of all ironies, the only men left in this country are our teachers, of whome majority are little women. Somebody had to put the foot down. They are joined now by real, clear headed men and women not buying anybody's agenda.
Bianca
March 8th, 2011 at 11:02 am
If I write a text that is one fifth of the size of this comment, it would be prevented from publishing for being "too long", and until it is down to size, it will not get published. Even though I genuinely abhore generalizing entire races, peoples, religions and blame them for what their governments or elites do, with dismay I see that it is OK by editors here. For as long as antisemitic overtones are EDITED, it is OK to call all British people "parasitic dog race"! While the article brings in many, many facts that point to the moral bunkruptcy of british and other western elites, it is hard to give them any credence when delivered with such hate for the entire people. British people are no different then oppressed people anywhere. Their elites are divorces from the desires, opinions and needs of their own people. This is why their are irked when a leader in another country is in touch and supported, like Putin in Russia. British people have been weighted down by the empire for a long time. Now, their elites have learned how to comfortably guide a lumbering American giant for its purposes. American elties know what they are doing, and it suits them to a tee.
Chris
March 8th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
You're both f**ing morons and a shame to Serbs. Most likely you're Croats.
Toba
March 8th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
The sloppy way in which this thing went down clearly indicates that they were to be caught. Why would you send in trained killers (unless you want to have people killed )when they,the people running the show clearly tell you to f'off in every which way?
Are you there to make them nervous!,were you there to see to it that your "people in the resistance" have no difficulties rising to the top! is your presence a bidewell for now propaganda bone to Bro Muammar that regardless of how things go.you guys and him are still buddies! was it a don't worry gesture to the nervous Faisal in Saudi Arabia! or were you hoping that you would have been received with libations,milk,honey and virgins thereby giving you the jump on the rest of Europe and Americans in the developing situation in Libya?
I hope that the Arabs keep their revolution an Arab thing and not something that can be influenced by Europe or America. Ever since the British "took over" from The Ottoman Turks,they have made a mess of Arab affairs in the Middle East.One would think that the Americans would have had the common sense to not play the tribal game when they "took over" from the British but alas! the reactionary elements in the American Govt gained the ascendancy and we have the mess that had no choice but to change into the situation that we have today. The Arabs have seen the price of playing your games and being your friends and I hope they have really learned their lesson. They have been ruling empires when the Europeans were only capable of farming pigs on the banks of the Danube and Thames. They have brought the light of intellect to Europe when they Europeans were doing everything they can to live in darkness,so to set things on a proper course would not be difficult form them.
It is unfortunate that the black Africans and the folks in the New world have been put to sleep by the psychological balms of christianity or else they would have had the courage like the Arabs to put off the European and America nefarious influences and fix their countries.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 17th, 2011 at 6:19 am
I meant "I have no wish", not " I have now wish", which in the context actually means nothing.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 17th, 2011 at 6:31 am
I wish to know why my comment was deleted. I didn't use any offensive qualification, nor any f-word in it.
The only touchy part may have been the no preference between German or English part. Is that it?