Amid the intellectual and moral darkness that is Washington, DC, we take our rays of sunlight where we can find them. And this week, the clouds parted – albeit only momentarily – to let through a couple of illuminating comments from none other than Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Speaking at West Point, as US warships steamed toward the Libyan coast, Gates told the cadets:
“Any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa should ‘have his head examined,’ as General [Douglas] MacArthur so delicately put it.”
The reference to Africa – not a frequent or high visibility venue for American centurions, at least since the disaster at Mogadishu – could not have been mere coincidence. And at a congressional hearing the other day, Gates followed up:
“Let’s just call a spade a spade. A no-fly zone begins with an attack on Libya. That’s the way you do a no-fly zone. And then you can fly planes around the country and not worry about our guys being shot down.”
Pressed by one disappointed solon, Gates averred:
“Well, if it’s ordered, we can do it. But the reality is, there’s a lot of, frankly, loose talk about some of these military options.”
Loose talk perfectly sums up the preening and posturing of US officials as they pretend their natterings are relevent to the historic changes taking place in the Middle East and North Africa. It’s easy enough for politicians to talk about how the US must “lead”: Gates, however, will be charged with stage-managing whatever scheme they have in mind, and he is pushing back – hard – against the prospect. While President Obama has kept a very low profile as the Libyan revolution unfolds, his Secretary of State has been less shy about her desire to stick her nose where it doesn’t belong, floating the idea of a “no fly” zone and declaring that “no options are off the table” when it comes to Libya.
Clinton, in her role as overseer of US foreign policy, has been one of the biggest hawks in an administration that has essentially continued and even escalated America’s post-9/11 rampage, and she is clearly pushing for the US to take some kind of action in Libya. Gates’s “loose talk” reference was an implicit rebuke to her, and to John Kerry: that’s the good news.
The bad news is that the common sense approach advanced by Gates is not at all popular in the Imperial City. The US Senate just passed a resolution demanding that the President set up a “no fly” zone over Libya: the vote was unanimous. (Shame on you, Rand Paul). Our lawmakers just can’t resist the urge to grandstand: you’d think they were the Roman Senate at the height of its power rather than the upper chamber of a dead broke government whose empire is swiftly heading for the dustbin of history.
There’s a debate going on inside the administration over what to “do” about Libya: the only high-profile skeptic of our ability to “do” anything is Gates, a Republican, who was appointed by George W. Bush. The interventionists of a “humanitarian” hue are now having their moment, declaring that Libya is the Obama administration’s Kosovo Moment, and calling for US intervention to “save lives.” But of course US troops are still in Kosovo, in spite of George W. Bush’s continual pledges to finally get them out, and as a young Kosovar is arrested for killing two US soldiers in Germany methinks you can see the thanks we’re getting for our efforts.
Aside from that, the attitude of the Libyan insurgents is unclear on the subject of US intervention: some have said that they’d fight US troops just as fiercely as they’re fighting the Daffy Despot if we set foot on one square inch of Libyan territory, but others have called for a “no fly zone,” weapons, and otherwise expressed their dissatisfaction with the lack of response from Washington. Yet even if a unified rebel government called for US boots on the ground, we would be fools to ignore the advice of Bob Gates, who is certainly in a position to know whereof he speaks. He’s no anti-interventionist, to say the least, but even he knows what the rest of Washington seems oblivious to: the Beltway bromide that we are “leading” the world is a hollow conceit.
Far from leading, we are being led – by the momentum of a revolutionary upsurge which is toppling our key allies across the region.
The American Empire reached its zenith with the fall of Baghdad and the “shock and awe” campaign, which cowed the craven Gadhafi enough to impel him to come crawling to Washington with a pledge of good behavior. Rehabilitated, and, with Tony Blair at his side, all was forgiven. He chose to be on what he thought was the right side of history just when the American moment started to pass.
After three world wars, two hot and one cold, and a fourth crusade against “terrorism,” the American Gulliver has washed up on the shores of Lilliputia exhausted, bedeviled, and dragged down by his Lilliputian “allies” and satraps, whose demands he cannot fulfill. Yemen’s President Abdullah Ali Saleh, a reliable sock puppet, is suddenly confronted with a large-scale uprising against his 40-year rule, and we can do nothing to save him. Huddled under what they thought was the protective umbrella of Uncle Sam, the sheiks and emirs of the Gulf woke up one morning to discover that their patron and guarantor is powerless to save them.
This sends a message to our satellites all over the world that it doesn’t pay to be in the US camp – and the Israelis heard it loud and clear. If the Americans can throw Mubarak under the bus, they fumed, then can we be far behind?
The Israelis tend toward hysteria, and the situation, from their perspective, is hardly as dire as all that. Although Egypt had some of the priciest public relations outfits and law firms in Washington at their command, they never had anything one one-hundreth as effective as the Israel lobby in Washington.
Yet not even they will be able to stand up against the tides that are coming. The events in the Middle East are, in large part, energized by the world economic crisis. Triggered by reckless bank credit expansion occurring under the auspices of the Federal Reserve and the central banks of the West, the resulting inflation has driven up prices of basic foodstuffs: in Egypt, the price of wheat skyrocketed by some 30 percent in just the three months prior to the revolution. We exported our inflation to the periphery, but now, in a classic boomerang, it is coming home.
All through the 1990s, the Fed pumped up the essentially flat tires of our empire, managing to keep it on the road if not always in good working order. The fuel that ran that empire — and industrial advanced nations
everywhere — was the dollar. In order to keep the machinery of the Imperium going, however, and keep our claim to international “leadership,” we destroyed the very basis of our hegemony: our economic good health, symbolized by the health of the dollar as the currency of choice worldwide. It was a steady and generous flow of dollars that bribed our satraps, like Mubarak, into doing our bidding. Those dollars also went to build up a military machine without rivals or precedent, one which could fight two major wars simultaneously, guard both Europe and Asia while policing the world’s sea lanes – and chew gum at the same time. This meant an expenditure greater than the combined military budgets of all other nations on the planet.
This is unsustainable, along with all the other equally profligate institutions of the Welfare-Warfare State. Cuts in the military budget are opposed by Republicans, while Democrats are up in arms now that the pensions of Wisconsin prison guards and teachers (or do I repeat myself?) are no longer considered untouchable. The United States is headed for its own “Days of Rage,” as the spoiled brats who inherited the Republic established by the Founders wake up from their orgy of self-gratification and self-deception to find their inheritance is gone.
The Republic expired with the passage of the “Patriot” Act and the launching of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq: it was burnt to a cinder and left in the ashes of the World Trade Center, blown away by the winds of war. It was succeeded by the rise of the Empire, whose first monarch, George II, the would-be Napoleon of the “world democratic revolution” met his Waterloo with a cry of “Mission accomplished!”
It has been downhill ever since. The “world democratic revolution,” it turns out, is overthrowing our own allies, its partisans overseeing the dismantling of US power on a global scale. The high tide of empire, wrote Pat Buchanan years ago, was reached at the battle of Fallujah:
“What Fallujah and the Shi’ite uprisings are telling us is this: if we mean to make Iraq a pro-Western democracy, the price in blood and treasure has gone up. Shall we pay it is the question of the hour. For there are signs Americans today are no more willing to sacrifice for empire than was Harding to send his nation’s sons off to police and run provinces carved out of the Ottoman Empire.
”In bringing Bush’s “world democratic revolution” to Iraq, we suffer today from four deficiencies: men, money, will, and stamina.
”First, we do not have the troops in country to pacify Iraq. Some 70 percent of our combat units are committed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and South Korea already. If we are going to put more men into Iraq, U.S. military forces must expand.
”Those who speak of democratizing Iraq as we did Germany tend to forget: in 1945, we had 12 million men under arms and four million soldiers in Europe. German resistance disappeared in 1945 with the death of Hitler. There was no guerrilla war against us. Today, our army is only 480,000 strong and scattered across 100 countries. And we have 129,000 troops in an Iraq that is as large as California and an escalating war against urban guerrillas.
”Second, we are running out of money. The U.S. deficit is $500 billion and rising. The merchandise trade deficit is headed toward $600 billion, putting downward pressure on a dollar that has been falling for three years. Nations with declining currencies do not create empires, they give them up.”
Secretary Gates says the next American President who launches a war in Asia, Africa, or the Middle East “ought to have his head examined.” It is, however, too late for that: the diagnosis is imperial overstretch, and the patient is terminal. Let Hillary go on about how many options she can fit on a table, and let the War Party strike heroic poses on the world stage: the American tragedy is going into its final act, and it won’t be long now before the curtain comes down on our overseas empire.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- BS in Baghdad – May 24th, 2012
- Interventionism and the Elites – May 22nd, 2012
- Obama or Anarchy? – May 20th, 2012
- What Does Ron Paul Want? – May 17th, 2012
- Hillary’s Terrorists – May 15th, 2012





JKR
March 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Actually, the Senate resolution condemning brutality and supporting the UN looking into doing more to protect civilians in Libya, including a potential no fly zone didn't have any vote at all, it passed 'by unanimous consent', meaning the guy read the title.
"Mr. SCHUMER. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent the Senate proceed to the immediate consideration of S. Res. 85, which was introduced earlier today.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report the resolution by title.
The assistant legislative clerk read as follows:
A resolution (S. Res. 85) strongly condemning the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya, including violent attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms, and for other purposes.
There being no objection, the Senate proceeded to consider the resolution.
Mr. SCHUMER. Mr. President, I ask the resolution be agreed to, the preamble be agreed to, the motions to reconsider be laid upon the table, with no intervening action or debate, and any statements be printed in the Record.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
The resolution (S. Res. 85) was agreed to.
The preamble was agreed to." (from the Congressional record)
I have no idea who was in the room when it was read, but all they said was 'without objection', and that was it.
paulBass
March 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
sanity = 2 land wars in asia.
insanity = 3 land wars in asia.
am i missing something????
epppie
March 3rd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Gates is NOT a voice of insanity. The difference between him and the other crazies is that he wants bigger wars.
Christopher
March 4th, 2011 at 1:08 am
Excellent clarification on the vote issue. You are indeed correct and what a difference your clarification makes to those of us who do not have the time to check that fact. Now, putting aside that little hickup, this is, perhaps, one of the best articles that I have read of late. Two thumbs up. To the author, Justin Raimondo; I would have cheered your story globally; however, the fact that was clarified above by JKR ruined your perfect article and genuinely thought out analysis. You put a great deal of work into this article and it showed. CHECK YOUR FACTS. Overall, Great Job!
GradyWilson
March 4th, 2011 at 4:08 am
As Ray McGovern stated in yesterdays column – Gates is not to be praised especially considering his complicity in executing these immoral wars of aggression – he is simply an opportunist reacting to the political winds. And the economic crisis was brought about by corrupt capitalism (is the adjective really needed). No need to dance around this obvious fact.
I think Raimondo is too quick to eulogize the US empire. Who's to say that the CIA is not behind Libyan opposition? Who's to say that the US compliant Egyptian military will not continue to rule Egypt?
Did Raimondo really just refer to workers who want health care and pensions as spoiled brats waking up from their orgy of self-gratification? Pathetic.
Montaigne
March 4th, 2011 at 4:16 am
Gates is certainly known for many dark acts in his career. Now and then – also under Bush, where he advised aginst attacking Iran, as far I recall it – he has been less aggressive than the worst. But he certainly is still a man for the whole system of lies and hypocrisy.
By the way, you might be surprised, like me, that you still find serious voices hailing the empire and the emperor. "Learned and respected" American scholars.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0199765332/ref=p…
Sam
March 4th, 2011 at 5:04 am
A military intervention could be very counterproductive. But humanitarian aid must be given. Lybia is a complex tribal society with changing alliances.
Generalissimo X
March 4th, 2011 at 6:14 am
hail gates? i don't think so. he's slime like all the rest and a total insider. i'm sure his great commentary to the war mongers of the future (west point) will have a marked effect on our foreign policy as we contemplate invading libya? give me a break..if this is our light, well then there is no sense in fighting the darkness.
and spoiled brats? yeah, it's the union's fault for wanting a fair shake for the working man…they've done awful things to america like create the middle class, ensure good working conditions, fair wages, the 40 hour work week and benefits like pensions and vacation. how dare they? teachers aren't important at all, no the world needs more aggrandizing journalistas bashing people for wanting collective bargaining rights. cause all that money should be in the hands of bankers and corporate do nothings. i guess they don't have the luxury of having a quarterly beg-athon like antiwar.com
Terrance&Philip
March 4th, 2011 at 6:55 am
Years ago Pat Buchanan wrote: "The U.S. deficit is $500 billion and rising. "
He must have written that a very long time ago. (sigh) Seems like another time and another place.
Terrance&Philip
March 4th, 2011 at 6:59 am
Good point. Calling Gates a voice of sanity in a city like Washington is a bit like calling the schizophrenic in a lunatic asylum where everyone else is a psychotic serial killer sane. Beside the rest of DC Gates looks good, but placed beside the denizens of the real world, outside the beltway, his gross deficiencies are obvious.
emsnews
March 4th, 2011 at 7:18 am
Even as several billion people desire above all a much more socialist society, this is woefully misunderstood by libertarians who think billions of 'peasants' really want more 'freedom'. They do want freedom from say, starvation and they want jobs that pay good money and dare I suggest, social security for retirement and medical care?
Yup. China's elites went too far into the 'let's all be capitalists' and left behind the 'we want modern socialism' so the people grow rather restive there. Even here in the US we see some people realizing that socialism is under serious fire and the loss of US jobs is killing us, reducing wages by killing unions and moving jobs to southern states (before being finally removed entirely from the US) is destroying our families and our futures.
The fundamental basis for economic turmoil in the world is rising populations in second and third tier nations and the removal of jobs and income from the masses in first tier nations, moving these to the second tier nations. This is causing a rise in revolutionary actions that have barely begun. It will rise higher and higher and the 'free trade/cheap credit' system is going to collapse in the same domino fashion we see in Africa and Asia this month. Just as swiftly.
The high price of oil will change the balance of power in many places indeed. Especially, destroying the US high-oil consuming culture. People are content to tool around in big vehicles here, pretending to be tough guys, hot shots. Soon, they will be walking and walking mad.
JLS
March 4th, 2011 at 7:50 am
nope!
JLS
March 4th, 2011 at 7:51 am
or….we could just mind our own damn business.
bozh
March 4th, 2011 at 7:53 am
eh folks! guess what just happened? my post was held up and to be examined for any illness in it. well, it may make some readers of my post ill; so, don't read anything i say and not just the above post; i.e., if it appears! so help me godddevil or bogovrag! [in slavic] . the last label smhow helps more and eve sounds better than the former! tnx
Hans
March 4th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Aw come on now We can kick them Libyans ass no problem. First We 'Pearl Harbor' em in the middle of the night. (Taking out their hospitals and orphanages in a dramatic first strike)
Send in the Redcoats.(Who will be greeted as liberators)
Erect the prefabricated torture chambers(Operation Torquemada) to establish our moral authority.It will be a cake walk
All the hovel flattening and child slaughter will be paid for with Hillary Clinton's list of stolen credit card numbers.
All you anti-war types are just too cynical, We can really win this one.
RickR30
March 4th, 2011 at 9:06 am
I'm not at all willing to hail Gates. These bouts of sanity, like the one of that creep Holbrooke are coming a bit too late. Why is it that only once they see the other side, of life or career, these clowns are suddenly becoming rational. Are we supposed to forget all the evil they've done their entire lives for merely one or two sentences? The talk in front of the cadets is insignificant. The one to the Senate a bit more important. Still, we need actions, not talk. We need some whisteblowers, high level resignations in protest, refusal to do the wrong thing by zombies of the "security" and "defense" apparatus. If Gates is at all serious about what he said, he should resign immediately in protest, go on the media circuit/circus and insult his bosses, and unmask their, and his, recklessness in destroying America for no reason other than unwillingness to stand up to aipac and israel.
More than anything else, it's China's decision to conduct their trade in their own currency, that I think is going to help bring down the monster of the usraeli empire- and not a minute to soon. It won't be speeches by recovering neo-con puppets who are going to end this disaster. America just crossed the threshold and now we are going to have to deal with the kind of inflation we only see in Third World countries. America is officially moments away from becoming a Third World country, no matter how many ipads American zombie pods buy on credit.
Bianca
March 4th, 2011 at 9:07 am
I finally saw through the libertarian fog. And not a minute too soon. The whole attraction of libertarian prolific anti-interventionist creed lies a deeply troubling and dark side of the empire. All one hears is how "The Government" did this or that. Or "Fed". And who are these mystical creatures but the very front of the financial, military-industrial complex? Fed is not Government, but bellowed corporate sector. Get rid of the Fed, and the function would even more opaquely be taken over by the masters of finance. Now, at least there is an identifiable entity that one can see, and their tentacles be traced. The fraudulent nature of libertarianism is finally laid bare. Living in a "right to work state" in Virginia we know how the detraction of professionalism is just as much the object of the game, as collective bargaining. Inane "reforms" promote incompetent but politically malleable, at the expense of education. The resulting chaos is excuse for privatizing. But private schools do not have to take same state standardized tests, and their kids in large numbers cannot read or write. Who cares, daddy will insure a god corner office in the corporate world. We already see the consequences of this. In the name of freedom, let us destroy the competence. No wonder corporations fawn over Libertarians.
paulBass
March 4th, 2011 at 9:08 am
and what kind of "aid" do you propose,
food? to help put what ever agricultural labor out of work
guns? to give to people we don't know
money? to prop up certain groups over others in order to exacerbate conflicts
or just soldiers to stand around handing things out waiting to get killed in order to cause a larger incident and calls for revenge
RickR30
March 4th, 2011 at 9:29 am
That's new. So government fosters competence? And private enterprise incompetence?
The problem for the right is that these days government and corporations are indistinguishable.
Sam
March 4th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Flying home the stranded strangers, building hospitals,refugee-camps in neighbouring countries (Tunisia, Egypt). This is a human tragedy and civilian help is needed. That is what the UN,US, the EU and others are doing right now.
mickperry
March 4th, 2011 at 10:10 am
You couldn't help but reflect upon the fact that these wonderful, articulate voices coming out of Wisconsin are the result of a decent education. This is just one of the things these socio-paths are intent upon destroying if they get their way.
Downsize DC
March 4th, 2011 at 10:16 am
This Feb 23 video suggests Rand Paul considers enforcing a no-fly zone as "going to war" and that he wouldn't support a war unless he is willing to fight it himself and send his kids to fight it: http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/rand-paul…
Bill
March 4th, 2011 at 10:47 am
He wrote that in May 2004, 7 years ago in the midst of the Iraq bloodbath. I wonder what our country and the world will be like 7 years from now.
liberranter
March 4th, 2011 at 11:41 am
HAIL Bob Gates? Come on now, Justin! Even recklessly assuming that this guy is sincere in his latest remarks (and sincerity being the political equivalent of cyanide inside the walls of the Imperial Capitol, that's going to be a difficult pill to swallow – pun intended), it can only be because he finally realizes that the mess of which he was a primary architect is spinning out of control and he now wants to jump ship in hopes of being vindicated by history. Sorry, Bobby: cheap grace doesn't buy you anything in this day and age. Count on this neocon power broker changing his tune yet again and resuming normal form the minute the initial stages of the next military disaster the Regime launches show initial signs of success. Old leopards just don't change their spots. It's really that simple.
"Shame on Rand Paul?" Again, Justin, you saw plenty of evidence of this asshat's true colors during his senatorial campaign. Let this latest abomination settle once and for all any question of his "libertarian" credentials.
Ron: You need to take your son to the woodshed and beat his ass to a pulp!
james
March 4th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Bla, bla, blam tribal alliances bla, bla, changing facts, bla, bla. Do you people read what you write?
All the garbage about tribal alliances and other similar issues are things perpetrated by these rulers lke Gaddafi and others to justify and solidify their grip on power. They were advised and even helped naturally by the corrupt Western powers who are controlling milionsof people through one bloodthirsty dictator.
The people of the Arab world do not need advise on how to rule themselvesm just leave them the fuck alone and they will do far better than the pussified sheep in the west.
james
March 4th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
LOL, it wouild be much funnier if it wan not so true Hans.
Love your sense of sarcasm
Roque Santa Cruz
March 4th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
the only reason americans are interested in getting into Libya is to unfold the red carpet for it's next puppet that will replace kadhafi. that's it
Debbie(aussie)
March 4th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
I think others are misunderstanding what you mean. Yes, we (citizens of the planet) must do what we can to assist the people of every country. As I understand it the UN is already helping out with food, tents etc at the borders along with logisitical help to Egypt and Tunisia for supporting refugees.
Amos
March 4th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
I think "Hail Bob Gates!" is meant to be a sarcastic rather than literal title. The fact that one of the biggest warmongers is saying something rather sane is a bit of a surprise.
Generalissimo X
March 4th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
totally man!! i'm getting behind this 100%…we need to get our ftd florists on board for all the roses they'll be needing in libya. ditto the ace hardware man who can supply pliers and car batteries as we help them express their new found freedom!
musings
March 4th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
I just heard my lock-jawed senator, Mr. Kerry, arguing for a no-fly zone. Such a peacenik, huh? I guess Rand Paul is also a phony. You just can't get good help these days.
Very significant is the sense in Libya that the opposition to Gaddafi may be conditional on its coming only from his own people. The minute someone else gets into the act, the "independents" and people on the fence will jump over to the dictator they know, who is more like them. I know that if Martans invaded I'd stick with whoever was in power, even a right wing Republican. Hm. Come to think of it, that's why Bush's ratings went up so high immediately after 9/11.
Any attack by us on Libya would be counterproductive. As Gates says, the no-fly preparation involves destroying their infrastructure, and that is something the opposition in Libya wants for itself.
People are funny about that kind of thing – bombing their country. They tend to resent it.
MetaCynic
March 4th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
I don't know about where you live, emsnews, but here in Obama country in Illinois, socialism is alive and gorging itself at the trough. In a real world display of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," those like myself who have no children, never had children and never will have children, must nevertheless pay 70% of our crippling property taxes into the coffers of the never-have-enough-money-to produce-basic-literacy, socialist Publik Skool Sistum.
I've always wondered why gentle, caring Progressives love guns so much? Why are they are always ready to threaten peaceful people with the gun of the State? There must be a PhD thesis somewhere to explain this violent, anti-social pathology.
Ben Franklin's democracy of two wolves and a lamb keep voting on what to eat for lunch and, as always, mutton is on the menu. But the wolves, though very fat, are always hungry and their offspring keep getting dumber. Damn those sheep! They refuse to reproduce in sufficient numbers and are too skinny when they do. How dare they be so hateful as to suggest that the wolves go on a diet?
Guns must be kept out of the hands of the world's peasants. Only the socialist world improvers should have access to guns. Only they are smart and caring enough to know how to use force to create jobs and to provide for retirement and healthcare. There was, of course, no unemployment in Stalin's Soviet Union or in Mao's China.
gary
March 4th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
the only decent congressperson is barbara lee d-oakland,ca.
MetaCynic
March 4th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
The evils of the corporate/financial/military industrial complex are no doubt real. But they have all been made possible by the gun of the State. Never forget that the State has a monopoly on force. Any corporate entity that initiates force would be met with a hail of bullets from the intended victims. However, if such an entity acts through the State, then the McSheep meekly submit. That's what generations of government run schools, staffed by unionized employees, have conditioned them to do – fawn over the State's police and military muscle. This phenomenon has permeated popular culture.
Why do you think that corporations and special interest groups are forever cozying up to the State? They are angling for special privileges, monopolies and subsidies. Why compete for market share or employment in the uncertainty of the real world when the gun of the State can guarantee success? The Federal Reserve System, for example, is a creature of the government. It's not a product of free market forces. It and its fractional reserve counterfeiting operation would quickly perish in a true free market in money where businesses and customers are free to choose what they accept as money. It is the State's legal tender laws enforced by the gun of the State that allows this hugely destructive institution to not only survive, but to thrive.
Surely you jest! Which libertarians do corporations fawn over? Ron Paul? The Libertarian Party which rarely receives more than one percent of the national vote? You're still stumbling around in a fog, only not a libertarian one.
Hrebeljanovic
March 4th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
"I've always wondered why gentle, caring Progressives love guns so much? Why are they are always ready to threaten peaceful people with the gun of the State? There must be a PhD thesis somewhere to explain this violent, anti-social pathology."
Very good Qs MetaCynic. I bet you will never get any answers.
jackbootstate
March 5th, 2011 at 1:20 am
"Hail Bob Gates!"? That seems to be taking praise of him a little to far. I doubt he is leaving off the table to use of the considerable air power Washington has at its disposal. When you think about, Washington really doesn't need to occupy countries, al Afghanistan and Iraq, to wage war against countries. It's not like Washington wasn't waging a war against Iraq circa 1990-2003 before invading and occupying the country.
Strider55
March 5th, 2011 at 5:17 am
Don't know what the world will be like in 2018, but it's a virtual cinch the US will have joined the USSR and Yugoslavia on history's dustbin by then.
All you folks bashing Justin for giving Gates an "attaboy" need to chill out. We should acknowledge when someone like Gates gets something right — after all, it's so rare. Don't you tell your kids how great they are when they make right and moral choices, given all the evil and immoral alternatives out there? Don't you praise your puppy when he goes on the newspaper instead of the carpet? The same principle applies here. It's called "positive reinforcement," and if we do it enough, perhaps we can have an effect on at least some of our adversaries. Normally I hold leftists in total contempt, but I give two thumbs up to the ones who founded the "moveyourmoney.info" site — because on that issue they're right.
Terrance&Philip
March 5th, 2011 at 6:29 am
(Or if we'll even have a country.)
I know it's a child's game, but sometimes, late at night, I like to wonder how different our country would be if George Bush hadn't been made president.
bozh
March 5th, 2011 at 7:25 am
my post is still held back! i guess, it is that sick!
Generalissimo X
March 5th, 2011 at 7:37 am
ditto pakistan at present.
Sam
March 5th, 2011 at 9:14 am
I only suggested to help the innocent foreign workers mostly from other african countries, Bengladesh, China… to get out. Humanitarian help has nothing to do with imperialism, occupation, domination.
Bianca
March 5th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Yes, like the creeping "humanitarianism" in Bosnia and Kosovo. All well known formulas for intervention. Then UN will come, and NATO would just "have" to help them, "protect" them. Then there will be air strikes to "protect" convoys, God knows from whom and why. Then there will be ground operations with the "preferred" party on the ground. For as long as there are minimal casualties, American people would be sucked into permanent mess before they even have a chance to figure out what is going on. Especially, given the media role in whitewashing, "imbedding" and other devices. And if the public does not make it CLEAR, that no intervention of any kind is acceptable, then we just deserve to go broke, take all of our anger on those "overpaid" union teachers, and such other enemies of the state. Disguisting.
Bianca
March 5th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Yes, we can! Just look at the success in Kosovo! Many annoying old and useless monasteries have been blown up, undesirable and useless population rounded up in enclaves where they happily live behind barbed wire protecting their freedoms, while the Government led by Hashim Taci is the model of democracy. In fact, it has been a shiny promising thing ever since Madelleine Albright eyed the handsome Taci in Rambulleit, and definitely liked his democratic image over the elderly intellectual Rugova. Mr. Taci stands today as the model democrat, even though some haters of democracy accuse him of being the godfather of the decades old Drenica Group, that made wealth of heroin trade, trade in human beings (whole) and the organs of those who were not valuable to be kept in whole condition. Such haters of democracy, just do not understand. The monument to Bill Clinton in Pristina, will soon be joined by a monument to Hillary somewhere in Libya. Yes, we can!
RED DAVE
March 5th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
So, Justin, now that Hillary Clinton, Rand Paul and ___ (insert name of disgusting Republican of your choice) are in the same camp, what do you propose?
The workers in Wisconsin, whose challenge to the Establishment this website has studiously avoided, and who you have slandered, are doing more to undermine the war-making machine with their demands for a decent standard of living, good pensions, medical benefits and, yes, the right to bargain collectively with a closed shop, than all you right-wing fakers.
Bianca
March 5th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Do not "government" me. Using the "government" slogan, the new communists on the right just scare the society into accepting the destruction of civilizational achievements that generations of Americans fought for. People want RULE OF THE LAW, and PATRIOTISM, while you call that "socialism"! Have the courage to face the DATA. In Virginia, those localities with progressive population elect School Boards that do not fall pray to corporate muscle. Those are still the best schools. Others that elect corporate stooges, see their public schools "reformed" into rubbish ON PURPOSE to be "privatized". Patriotism means slamming unamerican transnational corporations with taxes. Why are unamerican corporations still allowed to suck up trillions of newly printed money, and leave Americans in debt? Why is the actual collection of corporate taxes in US one of the LOWEST in the world? I have not seen a single libertarian action to stand up to this banditry, in spite of their fancy dislike of the "Fed". They are much too willing to let the middle class be butchered, calling people pampered and lazy.
Bianca
March 5th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Your logic is impeccable, but upside down. Today, unamerican corporations control the Government and have the real power; WE THE PEOPLE have allowed it. These new Palpadines are destroying our republic from within, as they get inserted into every segment of the government, particularly military. We no longer conrol our economy, are are the virtual colony of transnationals. Federal Reserve System is a PRIVATE corporation that tells the Treasury what to do. If and when we figure it out, the Government can be reclaimed, otherwise could fold like a house of unsolvent cards.
Ron Paul may have captured the imagination with his clear sighted anti-interventionist stand. So, why is his son just another corporate storm trooper itching for a corporate intervention in Libya? No point in defense of libertarian know-it-all-ism. I prefer stmbling in the fog to ever newer versions of Yes, We Can nonsense, be it democratic or libertarian.
Bianca
March 5th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
SO, WHY DID HE VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT?????
liberranter
March 5th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Those "workers" (read: public parasites) you extol here are of the same species of pernicious tapeworm that is bleeding this country to death, destroying what little of an actual economy remains. In other words, they are cut from the same bolt of hyper-absorbent cloth as the political connivers Hitlery Rotten Clinton, Rand "Two-Face" Paul, and the other "disgusting Republicans" (AND digusting Democrats) you name.
Bianca
March 5th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I do not jest. Corporations fund all libertarian think-tanks, and have funded Tea Party movement, a good corporate compliant version of libertarianism. Ron Paul? A great man that unfortunately gives corporate libertarianism that external glow they do not deserve. Who cares about Libertarian Party, or any other party. All I need to know is that the good public perceptions management on behalf of corporations yielded the largest group of libertarian corporate storm troopers in Congress ever.
RED DAVE
March 5th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Those workers, include teachers and the public employees who keep things going in the world. Is that how you view them (us): public parasites?
Go live in a cave somewhere, alone.
GradyWilson
March 5th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Right on RED DAVE.
Raimondo loves Scott Walker. Probably would blow him if asked or told.
RickR30
March 5th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Speaking of data. Could the profile of the Virginia public school student body have anything to do with them being better than, say, public school in Los Angeles?
I agree with your criticism of the massive theft by corporations that gets the blessing and incentive of the government (or whatever you want to call it).
RED DAVE
March 5th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Here is nice, short article that gives to lie to Justin's nonsense about public workers:
http://www.counterpunch.org/brasch03032011.html
RED DAVE
March 6th, 2011 at 7:32 am
And by the way, why should anyone "hail" a mass murderer and war criminal who gotten a little cautious as he's about to give up his role as public executioner to someone else.
Generalissimo X
March 6th, 2011 at 7:36 am
i'm with you man. and teachers are now public parasites for wanting collective bargaining? uhh yeah, sure they are. it's great when baseball players and the nfl has collective bargaining but not for public workers. where do they get off thinking education is important or necessary? the nerve. i don't know about you, but i'm sick of all these teacher's driving to work in ferrari's, bragging about their yachts and eating caviar in their mansions. seriously, over 50% of public school teachers actually use their own money on school supplies for students?! what' wrong with that picture?
i'm off this site for awhile as its going down hill save girardi…after reading this anti-union BS and having a lot of my comments blocked or deleted (no profanity) i'm really glad i did give you grovelling losers a dime.
Bianca
March 6th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Good question. I do not have any knowledge of LA public schools. But I know what is happening in Northern Virginia. Mostly affluent counties, they had the means to maintain high quality schools. But there are stark local differences that laid bare the intent to destroy the system from within, in order to use failures to put schools under Federal supervision, and then privatize. In Arlington County parents and School Board have made wise decisions to resist false "reforms", relying on good educators to maintain excellence. These are today the ivy league public schools. In nearby locality, similar in demographics, size and affluence, Board was swept by the chant of "reforms", bent on bringing as much chaos. Gone is every common sense and professionalism, "consultancy" cronyism and lose spending are in. Schools are struggling to maintain standards, and the vultures are already circling to privatize. May be it will be up to teachers to show strength to stand up to privatizing corruption since there are very few people with any moral courage left.
Downsize DC
March 7th, 2011 at 8:07 am
As stated earlier in the comments, "unanimous consent" means there's no roll call. Paul may not have even been in the room.