It is September. And as surely as the swallows are preparing to depart Capistrano, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will be arriving in New York. It is an annual ritual, with Netanyahu explaining to a skeptical U.N. General Assembly why Israel is not bound by the rules that most other nations observe. Last year the theme was Palestinian statehood, meaning that the Palestinians should not have any such thing until Israel says it’s okay. This year it is all about Iran, with Netanyahu preparing to “tell the nations of the world in a clear voice the truth about the terror regime of Iran which represents the greatest threat to world peace.”
Bibi will be in the U.S. for at least three days, and it is not certain whether he will meet with either President Barack Obama or Republican candidate Mitt Romney. I believe that he will likely meet with both because he knows that he has them in a vulnerable position that he will want to take advantage of to maximize what he can get out of them. He already has a commitment from Romney to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, which would make the United States the only nation to have its diplomatic mission in the disputed city that Israel claims as its capital, but this time he will be shooting for something much bigger. He wants nothing less than war with Iran, and he expects the United States to provide him with a casus belli, to set a date for the war to begin, and to actually do the fighting for him.
If you read the Israeli press, it is possible to see two parallel narratives developing supporting Netanyahu’s objectives. The first is the issue of sanctions and the P5+1 negotiations taking place over Iran’s nuclear program. The Israeli government and the tame media located mostly in the United States are stating over and over again that the sanctions are not working. The evidence for this? That Iran has not agreed to halt its enrichment of uranium. Everyone but Israel agrees that Iran, as a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that has its facilities inspected by the IAEA, has a legal right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes. The Israeli current position is that any ability to enrich uranium is potentially dangerous because it could eventually produce enough material to produce a weapon. The same objection is raised to Iran’s possession of any nuclear fuel, even if it is enriched elsewhere, because the Israelis claim the fuel can be further enriched if Iran chooses to do so. Having the fuel and the technology to further enrich it and possibly weaponize it is referred to as having a “breakout” capability. Many countries, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey already have that ability. In the case of Iran, the breakout would depend on the country’s leadership making the political and economic decision to construct a bomb, which both the Israeli intelligence service Mossad and the CIA agree has not yet occurred.
The Israelis would like the United States to state that sanctions have not worked and that the negotiations have failed. Why? Because that implies that Iran has been intransigent, is at fault, and must face the consequences. It also leaves only a military solution on the table, and if Iran does not cave completely, war will be the only plausible option for dealing with the Islamic Republic. But while the Israeli position is clear, the U.S. position on sanctions and negotiations is somewhat more ambiguous. The Obama administration continues to assert that Iranian acquisition of a nuclear weapon is the red line that cannot be crossed, but both Congress and Mitt Romney have declared that the capability to create a weapon is also prohibited. As Iran already has that capability, the argument can be made that the line has already been crossed. In practice, Obama is much closer to the congressional and Republican position than he is to his own administration’s policy. He has demonstrated that he is not interested in any serious negotiation with Iran, having turned down several viable proposals to enrich fuel outside of the country after first encouraging the development of such an option.
With all of the above playing out in an election year, it is in Israel’s interest to force the issue, to have the U.S. on board for what it sees as a casus belli against its greatest enemy. So Netanyahu will no doubt urge both President Obama and Mitt Romney to be explicit that negotiations and sanctions have failed and that Iran has already crossed an unacceptable line in its nuclear program. If they are not fully cooperative, he could again suggest that he might be inclined to attack Iran alone, one month before the U.S. election, or, even worse from the point of view of the White House, use AIPAC and friends in the U.S. media to support Mitt Romney.
The second narrative being floated relates to the mechanics and timing for an airstrike against Iran. Netanyahu’s government is arguing that the window of opportunity to attack Iran’s nuclear program is closing. This derives from repeated allegations that Iran is hardening its facilities against the expected attack and is moving some of them deep underground, which may or may not be the case. Israel claims that it is essential for it to attack now or risk failure to destroy the targets. But it also is simultaneously observing that the United States has a much bigger window to successfully attack Iran as well as the ability to inflict much more damage. Washington has heavy bombers and ordnance that the Israelis do not have as well as the ability to sustain an attack for a long time using naval air resources and cruise missiles. So Netanyahu will say something like “I want a date for the start of military action so let’s make a deal … we don’t want to disrupt your election but in return we want a guarantee that if Iran does not abandon its nuclear program the United States will attack it next year.”
If Obama and Romney, both seeing themselves as vulnerable on the eve of an election, cave to the Israeli demands, it will be the devil’s own bargain. The whole argument being made to go to war is essentially bogus as well as illegal under international law as Iran has not attacked anyone, has not threatened to do so, and does not possess a nuclear weapon. In return for a series of self-sustaining lies, Netanyahu would obtain the world’s only superpower’s armed forces as his instrument of foreign policy together with a timetable for action. He would be giving nothing in return except a commitment to stay out of the U.S. election while the decision of war or peace for the United States would essentially be transferred to his government.
Just-war doctrine supports a preemptive war if a nation is confronted with an imminent and existential threat. One can debate whether Iran genuinely constitutes any real threat against the U.S., but I think the consensus is that it does not and it would be containable even if it were to make the decision to obtain a weapon. The thinking of Israel and its supporters in the U.S. is based on the premise that Iran is not a rational actor, whereas the accumulated evidence derived from more than 30 years of the existence of the Islamic Republic is that it is, in fact, a cautious regime mostly focused on self-preservation, not on exporting its revolution or proselytizing. It is Benjamin Netanyahu who is not the rational player in this game, so much so that numerous Israeli citizens as well as retired generals and intelligence chiefs are bravely challenging his insistence on forcing a war to disarm Iran. It would not be the first time that the maneuvers of a politician inspired by his own vision of what must be will have brought about a catastrophe for his own people. Unfortunately in this case, Netanyahu is also doing his best to involve the United States in the disaster.
Read more by Philip Giraldi
- Boston Becomes Toxic – May 15th, 2013
- Gatekeeping for Zion – May 9th, 2013
- Kristol Clear – May 1st, 2013
- What Has Bibi Been Doing? – April 24th, 2013
- Drones and Death Lists: The New Face of Warfare – April 17th, 2013





sherban
September 5th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Bibi is known as a liar and demagogue even in the Occident countries.Obama ,Sarkozy,Merkel one after one expressed their suspicions about this sick man who ,fed by his father lessons on history became a "prophet".Maybe were many stories in history when leaders took their people in unnecessary wars but one against Iran is the most stupid and futile.Doesn't exist a reason,out of Bibi's lies of invented dangers for whole Planet and there is nothing to gain.So,here is not about a wrong calculation,here is about an irrational man with very high connections and who,although his bad reputation everywhere is still able to do it.In fact is this only one person totally dedicated to his dementia (Bolton,Mc Caine and their ilks are only added persons to Bibi wagon,so now is the pro war adepts less than were for Iraq war.Now is only Bibi,others don't matter) who can do it in what is called the free world.
Steve H.
September 5th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
It should be obvious to anyone not intoxicated by AIPAC Kool-aid that support for American involvement in the Israeli government's paranoid fantasies about Iran should be met with stun guns, sedatives, sleeveless jackets, and padded cells.
In short, the whole Iran nuke narrative is a neo-con wet dream. The fact that it would mean untold death and destruction to Iranians should not enter into the calculation if you're an advocate of Bibi or his boot-lickers in Congress.
My kingdom for a president with the cajones to tell Israel that they're on their own. If they want to attack Iran to halt a non-existent nuke, they and they alone will suffer the consequences. Sadly, Ron Paul will not be in the Oval Office.
Instead, we have corporate stooges Obomba and Romney as our "choices." If this isn't an indictment of the American electoral system, what is?
W_ThePoster
September 5th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
If Netinyahu's personal character is huge in this, then it probably has a lot to do with his own role as a player in the theft of nuclear weapons technology from the US. He imagines it would be as easy for Hezbollah to get a nuke or three as it was for Israel, if only Iran had the fuel. It's a mad delusion he's uniquely prepared to suffer.
Mikw
September 5th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Sooner or later the US will tire of Israel's truly over-the-top interference in American politics, and then Israel will lose the only friend it has left. I dare say say that any presidential candidate who had the courage to openly denounce this excessive interference would garner a lot of support, and that would put an end to the endless AIPAC/Israeli blackmail of our politicians. The sooner it happens, the better.
davidgrayling
September 5th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
For Christ's sake, won't someone give Iran a couple of nukes!
If this happened Israel would forget about its planned attack because, like the U.S., it won't fight anyone who can really fight back and then everyone could go home!
And if Iran, North Korea and Pakistan and the Muslim Nations join together, perhaps the U.S. might give up its plan to control the world and return to its own borders and fix its own country which is in ruin.
How about it?
Orville H. Larson
September 6th, 2012 at 1:57 am
NuttyYahoo is one crazy, degenerate Zionist sonofabitch. He ought to be committed.
The U.S. Government's subservience to Israel is appalling. When future historians are mulling over the ruins of the United States, they'll have plenty to think about. . . .
Dr.Khan
September 6th, 2012 at 3:15 am
The saddest thing will be if his X-mas wish are fulfilled and he takes away a bag full of gifts of wanted choices home.I am though sticking to Gen.Demsy statement this it comes untrue.and the USA falls for another and most probably a decissive futile mistake going into war with Iran for such free rider let's call it ISRAEL…..
Andrew P Nichols
September 6th, 2012 at 3:35 am
Bibi and Dr Srangelove were room mates at college weren't they?
JoaoAlfaiate
September 6th, 2012 at 4:19 am
When is israel going to sign the NPT? You don't play the game, you don't get to make the rules!
zouppie
September 6th, 2012 at 5:34 am
Obama and Romney should both promise Netanyahu whatever he wants. Then whoever is elected should stiff him. Why should this country be bound to keep a promise made to a shake down artist? I know it might cost millions in lost speaking fees. But what the hell? Lie to him. Treat him like an American citizen.
Harry
September 6th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Exactly!
Outsider
September 6th, 2012 at 6:41 am
It is so unbelievable that one irrational but determined man has the ability to start a totally senseless war, causing the death of possibly millions, yet no one will stand up to him and stop the madness. The same thing happened when no one was able to stop GWB's insane quest in Iraq. Is Bibi really prepared to start this war before our elections, possibly out of fear that Obama, if reelected, may then be in a position to turn on him? History marches on, yet we learn nothing.
tom dee
September 6th, 2012 at 7:33 am
I fear that someone has already sold Iran a few nukes. Iran clearly has the rocket to hit Israel and they have at least one ship capable of feeding smaller boat to take out coastal cities in Israel. Bibi is a fool living in the old world of superior Israel.
Kolya_Krassotkin
September 6th, 2012 at 7:36 am
The role of Israel in America's history will be the same as Serbia's in the history of Russia before World War I. We all know how that ended.
Kolya_Krassotkin
September 6th, 2012 at 7:37 am
No. Dr. Strangelove refused to room with a lunatic.
DOG
September 6th, 2012 at 7:53 am
First of all a nation that does not sign the NPT should not even given a chance to speak. Secondly Obama and Mitt whould be complete fools for attacking Iran and possibley starting WWIII. Thirdly all this retoric is made to make the Zionist look like they do not have total control in the U.S of I but in reallity they do. A lot of window dressing for domestic consumption.
Madeline Albright
September 6th, 2012 at 9:08 am
and where are the citizens of israel on this guy? this raving paranoid lunatic is going to literary cause the destruction of their little welfare state. the israelis don't have the ability to completely knock out iranian targets. they don't have the means unless america aids them. the first whispers of an attack and iran is going to let tel aviv and jerusalem have it with the chinese and russian missle systems they now have access to. blocking the straits of hormuz will be quick, easy and effectively dismantle the economies of israel and the west. you think china and russia are helping the iranians with weaponry and information behind the scenes? you're as deluded and insane as bibi. and just go ahead and nuke them and see how that works out for the entire world. israel thinks it's a pariah now, just go nuke a non-nuke state actor and murder millions of civilians. certainly an admirable endeavor justifying your existence.
moreover, the great idf couldn't even beat hezbollah guerillas in '06 and they think they can attack and defeat a nation with 70 million people and a standing army of 2-3 million??! israel is like a dog chasing a car, what's it going to do if it actually catches it??
Madeline Albright
September 6th, 2012 at 9:08 am
and where are the citizens of israel on this guy? this raving paranoid lunatic is going to literary cause the destruction of their little welfare state. the israelis don't have the ability to completely knock out iranian targets. they don't have the means unless america aids them. the first whispers of an attack and iran is going to let tel aviv and jerusalem have it with the chinese and russian missle systems they now have access to. blocking the straits of hormuz will be quick, easy and effectively dismantle the economies of israel and the west. you think china and russia are helping the iranians with weaponry and information behind the scenes? you're as deluded and insane as bibi. and just go ahead and nuke them and see how that works out for the entire world. israel thinks it's a pariah now, just go nuke a non-nuke state actor and murder millions of civilians. certainly an admirable endeavor justifying your existence.
moreover, the great idf couldn't even beat hezbollah guerillas in '06 and they think they can attack and defeat a nation with 70 million people and a standing army of 2-3 million??! israel is like a dog chasing a car, what's it going to do if it actually catches it??
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September 6th, 2012 at 9:58 am
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baz
September 6th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
israel will not attack iran. That was never the plan. The fact is that Israel has always been afraid of Iran's modernisation and industrialisation…Every Israeli leader since the 60's has said that they will do everything in their power to prevent Iran from becoming a successful modern state, lest their plans to exterminate the palestinians and steal their land would be challenged, diplomatically and politically, by a powerful and influential Muslim state.
hence the Iran/Iraq war, which was planned by Israel and implemented by Saddam Hussein with the full backing of almost every single arab and western nation on earth…. That did the trick to crush Iran for 10 years.
Since the 90's however, Iran had begun a path to prosperity and september 11 proved the best occasion to start going after Iran with sanctions and pressure. hence the axis of evil and the lies over Irans nuclear program.
Israel got everything it wanted vis a vie iran. Iran will be crippled by these sanctions for as long as they remain in place and could bankrupt the country in about 5 years time.
My guess is that by that time Israel will have stolen all of jerusalem and the west bank and Iran will still be just months away from building a nuke and killing us all, requiring Israel to be ready to attack
baz
September 6th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
israel will not attack iran. That was never the plan. The fact is that Israel has always been afraid of Iran's modernisation and industrialisation…Every Israeli leader since the 60's has said that they will do everything in their power to prevent Iran from becoming a successful modern state, lest their plans to exterminate the palestinians and steal their land would be challenged, diplomatically and politically, by a powerful and influential Muslim state.
hence the Iran/Iraq war, which was planned by Israel and implemented by Saddam Hussein with the full backing of almost every single arab and western nation on earth…. That did the trick to crush Iran for 10 years.
Since the 90's however, Iran had begun a path to prosperity and september 11 proved the best occasion to start going after Iran with sanctions and pressure. hence the axis of evil and the lies over Irans nuclear program.
Israel got everything it wanted vis a vie iran. Iran will be crippled by these sanctions for as long as they remain in place and could bankrupt the country in about 5 years time.
My guess is that by that time Israel will have stolen all of jerusalem and the west bank and Iran will still be just months away from building a nuke and killing us all, requiring Israel to be ready to attack
Sam
September 6th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
If we have the possibility to choose , we allways should choose peace over war.
patriothere
September 6th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
I didn't come to the same conclusion as Giraldi. I concluded that the Pentagon is saying to the Iranians, "look, we have intelligence that the Israelis are going to start a regional war in the middle east, we just want to let you know that we had nothing to do with it and we wont attack you as long as you don't attack our assets in the gulf. That's what I got out of it.
patriothere
September 6th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
I didn't come to the same conclusion as Giraldi. I concluded that the Pentagon is saying to the Iranians, "look, we have intelligence that the Israelis are going to start a regional war in the middle east, we just want to let you know that we had nothing to do with it and we wont attack you as long as you don't attack our assets in the gulf. That's what I got out of it.
patriothere
September 6th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
I didn't come to the same conclusion as Giraldi. I concluded that the Pentagon is saying to the Iranians, "look, we have intelligence that the Israelis are going to start a regional war in the middle east, we just want to let you know that we had nothing to do with it and we wont attack you as long as you don't attack our assets in the gulf. That's what I got out of it.
patriothere
September 6th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
I didn't come to the same conclusion as Giraldi. I concluded that the Pentagon is saying to the Iranians, "look, we have intelligence that the Israelis are going to start a regional war in the middle east, we just want to let you know that we had nothing to do with it and we wont attack you as long as you don't attack our assets in the gulf. That's what I got out of it.
patriothere
September 6th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Typical troll talking points. You are not here to have a serious discussion. You are not here to be open minded. You are stubborn and stuck in your ways and nobody is going to change the way you think or feel, so why don't you just go away and leave this site for people who want to discuss the issues?
I mean, people said the same thing about those red radical chinese. They were godless communists beyond reason. They weren't rational people. The people that said that were wrong. China now has nukes and we trade with them. Iran is much ado about nothing. They don't even have nukes and wont ever have them unless there is regime change. Which there wont be.
learn to live and let live. Iranians have a right to live peacefully on this planet.
Outsider
September 6th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
baz – I was with your analysis until your last sentence. Do you really think that Iran is going to 'kill us all' after they acquire a nuke? You destroy your own argument by this last statement. If you meant to say this, then Israel would be within their rights to bomb Iran before Iran starts 'killing us all'.
Roger
September 6th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Stabbing Israel in the back is part of Muslim teachings, or heritage. So, for Obama to do that is showing his muslim heritage. That is serious discussion and debate. You just didn't recognize it as a paid hack.
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I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Mike
September 6th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
"Stabbing Israel in the back is part of Muslim teachings…."
Well guess what….that's ISRAEL'S problem. Not ours. You want to help Israel so bad then go join the IDF.
Outsider
September 6th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
A sad thing recently happened at the Dem convention. It is now officially in their party platform that Jerusalem is the true capitol of Israel. They took 3 voice votes before the presenter, in exasperation, said tht the 'ayes' have it. However, this measure was combined with the measure to put 'god' back in the platform (a no brainer). The Dems, I'm sure, deliberately combined the two ideas so that the Jerusalem thing would pass. Supposedly this was because Obama wanted it. Why would he do such a thing with so many Dems very leery about Israel in general and Bibi in particular?
Amry
September 6th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Quiet sure Israel was not founded as a nation in the 8th century, so I don't see how backstabbing it be part of Islamic heritage.
baz
September 6th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
haha
sarcasm dude..
sarcasm is the point of the last sentence.
baz
September 6th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
muslim heritage??
do you mean that in the same and synonymous way as your ape or caveman heritage?
Roger
September 6th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Amry, you do realize muslim heritage started in the 8th century based on violence and back stabbing, as in how mohammed conquered mecca and medina, and later islam overturned the Byzantine Empire the last of the Roman Empire?
Roger
September 6th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
It our president doing it. It's our guilt if a single person dies.
Like the blood in Libya due to the muslim extremists Obama handed things to, or the Coptic deaths in Egypt now thanks to Obama.
There is blood on Obama's hands and Israel has nothing to do with it/
baz
September 6th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
huh?? are you making this up or is some other KKK member teaching you this cr@p
A. G. Phillbin
September 6th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Obama has no "Muslim heritage," except in the addled minds of Pam Geller and her idiot followers. Obama's absent father was a muslim, and they never met until Obama Jr. was ten years old. His mother was never a Muslim, and never taught him to be one, nor any of her relatives, who helped raise him. Go back to that stupid Breitbart site, where those who believe in telling "noble lies" about one's chosen enemies is a sign of righteousness, and not dementia.
A. G. Phillbin
September 6th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Well he apes caveman heritage rather well, don't you think?
Roger
September 6th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Considering he didn't know about the fall of the Byzantine Empire, I don't think I should ask if he's aware of the writing of Cicero.
Roger
September 6th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
He was born to a muslim father. He was raised for several years in a muslim school to a muslim stepfather in a muslim nation. That's a muslim heritage.
In his own books he describes the morning call to prayer as beautiful.
If you don't think that's a muslim background, I'd love to know why.
Roger
September 6th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
baz, I'm not sure how to answer that. I don't want to sound like you're dumb but do you at least know about how islam started? Do you know about the Byzantine empire?
You sound like someone who just hasn't had things taught correctly.
And in this time, with this world environment you may want to find out about things on your own so you aren't treated and used like a tool by the same people keeping you in the dark.
A. G. Phillbin
September 6th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Part 1
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Well, you must agee with me, then, that Libya was better off under Qaddhafi than under the present regime. Perhaps Egypt was better off under Mubarak, as well. However, in your zeal to attack your least favorite presidential candidate, you have forgotten to take US Empire interests into account. You would have a better argument if you dropped your silly partisan political notions, and thought in geopolitical terms.
A. G. Phillbin
September 6th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Part 2 of reply to Roger
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This whole "Arab Spring" thing, although it started spontaneously enough, has become part of what could be called the "Sunni Turn" for the US state dept. It has wound up by organizing, with the help of the Gulf States, an armed Sunni rebellion in Syria against the secularist, Shia (Alawite) dominated regime, and by repressing Shiites in the eastern provinces of Saudi Arabia. It is no doubt aimed indirectly at Shiite-run Iran, by weakening their allies. One would think you Zionoids would admire the cleverness of the whole scheme, although it is more than a little dangerous. But it wasn't Obama's plan, and he wouldn't have authorized any of it had the Arab regimes been capable of ruling in the old way in Tunisia and Egypt.
A. G. Phillbin
September 6th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Actually, Islam started in the 7th century.
A. G. Phillbin
September 6th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Last sentence should read:
Go back to that stupid Breitbart site, where those who believe THAT telling "noble lies" about one's chosen enemies is a sign of righteousness, and not dementia.
Roger
September 6th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Uh actually yes, but after Mohammed they had a heritage to draw from, in the 8th century.
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Madeline Albright
September 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am
imbecile.
Generalissimo X
September 7th, 2012 at 9:50 am
yeh and dubya and romeny are intellectuals now? hahaha…jesus, somebody wanna by this clown a clue?
baz
September 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Roger, ,
you must be working on a revision of history from tel-aviv where obviously the center of that industry is located….
patriothere
September 7th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Hitler was born to a christian father. Your point is?
Roger
September 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am
That's a muslim test, not a Christian test of faith.
Roger
September 7th, 2012 at 11:57 am
And what part of it is wrong? http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/timeline.htm
james
September 8th, 2012 at 3:14 am
A.G., did this roger bait you to say this? And what if Obama was or wasn't a Muslim?
james
September 8th, 2012 at 3:18 am
I would advise anyone reading this to just ignore Roger as he is a true troll and the admin here does not want to ban him. He has a right to his opinion but IMO I do not believe he is honest. But who am I to pass judgment.
I say just ignore him and he will eventually go away, just like feeling very scratchy.
A. G. Phillbin
September 8th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
The Muslim morning call to prayer probably is quite beautiful, as are many Jewish prayers, many aspects of Christianity, Buddhist concepts, etc. So what is my "heritage?"
If I choose to learn about Islam from the local imam in my neighborhood, does that then become my "heritage" from thence forward?
Of what significance is the religion of an absentee father, or does Islam have magical properties?
A. G. Phillbin
September 8th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Do you know of any powerful nation, major religion, or powerful tribe that doesn't have a heritage of violence and back stabbing? ask a Cherokee if you can't answer that one yourself.
A. G. Phillbin
September 8th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
And I'm sure that, as an empire, the Byzantines were innocent of violence and back stabbing.
Roger
September 8th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Why don't you read and find out? It's not exactly hidden information.
They allowed islam, hired their fighters and when they were dependent on them they withdrew and attacked. And now, the blue and red mosque is a converted church that they stole from the church members. It's the same story all around the world, cordoba houses are mosques placed to celebrate victories over unbelievers.
Roger
September 8th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
And what part of Cicero don't you agree with mr genius?
Roger
September 8th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
I didn't claim Obama was muslim, I said he had a muslim heritage and that his decisions are effected by that.
Roger
September 8th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Quakers.
Roger
September 8th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Of course it's not stupid to raise that muslim heritage issue.
When Obama ignores our allies and allows people who want us dead to gain strength, (how many examples do you want?) then it's logical to figure out why.
Roger
September 8th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Then simply explain why I'm wrong.
A. G. Phillbin
September 9th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Stop repeating yourself in the face of evidence to the contrary. Are you idiotic enough to believe that the "Sunni turn" in US policy is dictated by Obama's middle name, and other thin connections to Islam? The fact that you glom onto this passage and ignore the actual reasons (which I presented, and you haven't bothered to refute) for the policies you decry makes it very clear that you are not the "serious mind" that you are claiming to be. In addition, it amply demonstrates your dishonesty, and that you are more interested in dissing your least favorite candidate than having an intelligent discussion.
A. G. Phillbin
September 9th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Quakers are a MAJOR religion? Where?
A. G. Phillbin
September 9th, 2012 at 12:13 am
Islam is not a matter of "herritage" either. It isn't genetic.
A. G. Phillbin
September 9th, 2012 at 12:15 am
And, of course, the Byzantines never did anything underhanded in their whole existence! Learn to read! I never said anything that your pompous history lesson even relates to.
A. G. Phillbin
September 9th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Do you believe that knowing Byzantine history and having read Cicero make you an insightful person? history is useless if you don't know how to apply that knowledge. you might as well brag about all the operas you've attended. Unless it's directly related to what is being discussed, it's just pomposity.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:26 am
You really could find out on your own. Then when you realize how the answers don't agree with your preset thinking you can adjust without looking foolish.
http://apostatesofislam.com/
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:26 am
And why is that?
Because I actually disagreed and knew how to lay out an explanation for it?
donbacon
September 9th, 2012 at 8:32 am
It's more complex than that.
ISIS, an anti-Iran clique headed by David Albright, has "found on balance no justification to change its earlier breakout estimate of six months."
Of course Iran would have to expel the IAEA inspectors prior to any such breakout, then initiate the six month process, enriching uranium to weapons grade. Then, presuming it had the designs ready, it would have to construct a nuclear bomb (or warhead) and test it (important). Then and only then could Iran go ahead with the construction of bombs or warheads. It is unrealistic to believe that the US and others would be sitting blithely by while all this was going on. It would not be a quick process — it would take months or years.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:47 am
I believe you have shown on ability or knowledge on what Cicero wrote about, nor how it applies to this conversation.
I dont' attend operas. I do watch events unfold around us and realize the long term planning of islam to conquer the world and destroy those who won't convert has been going on since the writing of surah 9.
Is that pomposity or realism? I'll chance it.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:48 am
And by your own test then islam deserves to be destroyed.
Do you want to adjust the test you just laid out perhaps?
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Yes and I don't agree with it even then.
Because the rules for belonging to islam don't agree with what you just said.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:51 am
It was a powerful religion for it's time and didn't have a heritage of violence of backstabbing.
Do you want to rephrase the question so you are more likely to get your expected answer perhaps?
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:54 am
It's not in the face of evidence to the contrary.
What about Obama's position Bahrain against the sunni and for the iranian backed workers who are not citizens there?
What about Obama's position for the iranian backed rebels in Yemen and against the government?
What about Obama's giving safe haven and oil revenues in Libya? Do you realize since those oil revenues have been funding it, muslim violence in Africa has grown? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
When you start with a flawed premise (as you did in your comment) You are going to come out with a flawed conclusion.(Like you did with your comment just now) If obama is willing to "Change" the things that have gotten us into this mess, then I say good. Because we need to change a lot of the policies the neocons have put in place.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
What about the fact that Saudi Arabia sent tanks into bahrain and massacred a bunch of innocent people who were just protesting the dictatorship there?
What about the fact that you are starting with a flawed premise?
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
All of it.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
If you deny that jews and christians don't have a heritage of violence and terror then you are lying.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
No, It's not. If Islam is then so is christianity. They are the same religion in a lot of ways.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
And what part of cicero are you pretending to know about mr genius?
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
You could say the same thing about the jews and the hyksos in egypt. You can say the same thing about Christians in rome. The christians were tolerated but hated, for good reason because they were subversive. At least muslims didn't destroy entire pagan cultures throughout the world. They didn't go up to the pagan cultures of northern europe and burn their relics, kill their women and decimate their culture. That's what the christians did to the germanic peoples of Europe. The nordic people.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Only in your sick and deluded mind did he say that.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
It's zionist talking points and propaganda.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
He wont go away. Trust me.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Did your handlers come up with enough money to pay you for another night's comments?
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Well, it sure isn't muslim militant propaganda.
Reality is so much more my style.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Not really, why do you think that?
And islam does destroy entire pagan cultures. What do you think is going on in Darfur?
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Try to keep up, he did lay it out very carefully.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Nothing you would know about as an iranian muslim.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
No, they're not the same. Christianity doesn't have suicide bombers, you know why? Our God values life.
There is no equality between the two.
And they have different tests for things, for example what are we to do with an apostate? Treat them as an unbeliever. Not stone them.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
I can't speak to the Jewish thing, their culture is different than my Christian one. And when following the teachings of Christ there isn't violence, no.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Says the paid hack.
Do they pay you to just say it, or to try saying it with a straight face?
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
And Iran lost a big toe hold on their territory.
That balance of power is a bear. How is that leach Syria at sucking the life blood out of iran doing?
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Iran has had the same borders for more than 400 years. They didn't send tanks into Bahrain. Saudi Arabia did.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Just because you say they are worse but cannot articulate what he did to make them worse or how he made them worse doesn't mean things are worse.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Says reality.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
They worship the same god. Jehova.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Humor me.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
He said islam deserves to be destroyed? The only person who said that is you.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Read a book.
patriothere
September 9th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
No, your style is more zionist lies and propaganda.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
And they have an army in Syria and control Hezbullah, that's a bit outside their borders.
Poor little lard breath.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Anyone in the US knows about our unemployment and economic issues. Since Iran has it's news to the real world filtered you may now have known about them.
And we know that you are a paid hack lard breath, you said this, remember?
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
No, just a paid hack.
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Not even.
But good try. The Almighty protects His people, and your allah just cant' seem strong enough to over power that protection.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
He gave a test for why the Byzantine Empire deserved destruction, I merely pointed out that by that test the islamic militants deserve the same.
You are really not very bright, is that why you didn't realize it was pig fat you were enjoying so much?
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
And yours is what?
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Roger
September 9th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Poor lard breath, you don't deserve it. But since as a lard eating muslim you must need to distract yourself from a possible honor killing, so here's a place for some great games to download..
http://www.stuxnet.com/chasethepigmuslimmilitant
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 8:43 am
You're a liar. Obama does not support the rebels in Bahrain or Yemen. He backs the governments in both countries. Oh, wait, I know — the governments are muzzies too, so either way, it's caused by Obama's muzzie heritage!! Look, I've just learned Roger "logic!"
Libya was a NATO operation through and through. It's part of that "Sunni turn" that your brain is incapable of figuring out. And what exactly is "Muslim violence?" Is it violence in which a Muslim happens to be involved, or is there some larger requirement? If Muslims are on the receiving end, does that count also as "Muslim violence?"
Let me explain something to you, so that even your brain might get it:
Any country in the Middle East, except Israel, is overwhelmingly Muslim. Therefore, any government in those countries is going to be Muslim, as is any insurgent group. Therefore anyone that any US president supports in those countries will be Muslim. Therefore, your continued gibbering about how Obama is backing Muslims in Muslim countries is idiotic. Or do you plan on transplanting some Buddhists there?
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Prove "patriothere" has a Muslim heritage, or stfu.
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 8:46 am
If patriothere is a paid hack, does that make you a jealous unpaid hack? You're a lousy writer, and an even lousier thinker. Go back to that stupid site for people who will say anything, true or not.
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Powerful where? New England?
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 8:50 am
It makes no difference if you are "considered Muslim" by anyone except oneself. I'm sure Barack Obama does not walk about frightened of being stoned by Muslim relatives. you are one moronic, monominded, obsessed piece of crap.
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am
It's all the same superstitious bullcrap. God, Allah, Jehovah, Jesus — they are nothing, and protect nothing. No doubt, this is why they are a source of comfort to you.
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Are you claiming that Obama fears stoning by angry Muslim relatives?
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 8:55 am
So you don't agree that you should go back to that Breitbart site because of the "rules of belonging to Islam?" I'll take your word for that!
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 8:56 am
I made no such test. Simply pointed out reality.
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Islam has no "long term planning." It has no central authority. As for Cicero, who the f*ck cares? Why don't you post your college degrees online, and be impressed with yourself somewhere else? No one is impressed here. A major shift occurs in US foreign policy, and all you can think of is to blame it on one guys Arabic sounding middle name. Incidentally, the beginnings of the "Sunni turn" go back to the GWBush administration. IT was called the "Awakening" in Iraq. That's when Petraeus paid all those Islamic militias to stop killing Americans.
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2012 at 9:02 am
You are an obsessed loon, aren't you? Do you look for muzzies under your bed? Or is it that you fantasize about Arab women? Or perhaps Arab men? I don't know your preferences.
stevieb
September 10th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I could see Bibi using a U.S war with Iran to carry out his plans for the Palestinians – whatever those are… maybe he sees an Iranian(or Hezbollah) reaction to an Israeli annexation of Jerusalem or any of the OT as a problem that Israel can't manage on its' own(after watching Hebollah route the IDF in 2006)…they are in way over their head…whether the world can manage the fallout of these idiots is anybody's guess…
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:10 am
You may disagree with me, but to call me a liar is a personal attack.
All you had to do was ask for sources. http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/08/news/la-u…
Saudi Arabia cut back on oil sales shortly after this and Obama flip flopped, but his first reaction was to push for support of the demonstrators – backed by Iran.
And in Yemen? http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/16/former-y…
If you don't agree with me, just ask why I have that position. If I can't lay out an argument, then I deserve to be put in my place.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am
It makes me someone that defends my religion and values.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Prove his muslim friendly, iranian centric defenses show anything else.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:13 am
They were older than New England.
Since you didn't call me a liar and actually asked, here's a good source.
http://christianity.about.com/od/quakers/a/quaker…
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Perhaps there is some superstition, but can you show where allah has won over the people on the side of the Jewish belief in the Almighty?
Israel has face many attacks from superior forces and prevailed.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Islam has it's own tests for who is muslim.
You may not agree with them, but they are what they are.
And with his security there is very little Obama fears.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Are you aware of the tradition of honor killings?
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Why don't you quote me, then explain why the words you want to put in my mouth fit my past comments.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am
You used the excuse that the destruction of the byzantine empire may not have been completely undeserved due to their "underhanded' history and policies/actions.
I can point that out in the history of islam.
I stand by my comment.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
It does have long term planning, they have one plan. The world wide caliphate.
And those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
That's why the warnings of Cicero in very similar circumstances matter.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Do you think we should let muslim militants on planes with knife cutters?
Where do you draw that line?
WTE
September 10th, 2012 at 11:36 am
He showed he was a bigot when he said this:
Roger 166p • 20 minutes ago
People at anti-war are a different crowd, they just … well, they are what they are.
It's curious how little they know. That's a place where propagandists such as yourself are truly dangerous.
WTE
September 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Why do they need weapons if he protects them?
WTE
September 10th, 2012 at 11:40 am
You sure don't do it very well
WTE
September 10th, 2012 at 11:41 am
roger admitted to getting paid to do this:
Roger 166p • 2 days ago
And when would I want to do other comments? It would cost me the total I'm working towards on my profile.
WTE
September 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am
"You may disagree with me, but to call me a liar is a personal attack"
It's not an attack when speaking the truth about you
WTE
September 10th, 2012 at 11:44 am
What about the billion sof people christians have slaughtered throughout the years. Their blood is on your hands
WTE
September 10th, 2012 at 11:44 am
roger is a member of Westbro
WTE
September 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
That was funny
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
It's an attack when you can't show I've lied.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
And how do you defend anything but hatred and bigotry?
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
And that total is over 99,000 comments now.
It has nothing to do with pay. And you haven't denied you're sitting in front of your work terminal.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Nope, and not on Christ's either.
Christ never taught or approved of violence in His teachings.
You can't connect the two. Just your vile hatred for Christianity drives you to make these claims.. It's so muslim friendly.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Of course not. Which victory mosque do you attend?
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Why not make it easy on God?
Why does iran need nukes if Allah can protect it?
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
And I have explained some very basic things, like why we should read the people such as Cicero.
People are what they are. Why does saying that make me a bigot but you can claim there is blood on Christ's hands due to people that ignored what He said?
There is a bigot here, and it's you.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Almost as funny as claiming Hitler was a follower of Christ.
I'm still laughing!
Jaime
September 10th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
An army in Syria. What do you smoke? If the Iranians had an army in Syria, the Americans and their masters is Tel Aviv would have gone ballistic. You may want to be serious but your mind doesn't seem to obey you.
Jaime
September 10th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
What nukes? Since you're so adept at posting links to prove your points, can you please post one that proves that Iran has nukes?
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Jaime, I realize this hasn't been covered much by the US press. But international sources are pretty open about the link here.
Al Jazeera is a reliable source for that region, and Panetta is part of this administration, that ought to be credible for you.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/08/20…
I can gladly get more links for you if you have more questions.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Jaime, I realize this hasn't been covered much by the US press. But international sources are pretty open about the link here.
Al Jazeera is a reliable source for that region, and Panetta is part of this administration, that ought to be credible for you.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/08/20…
I can gladly get more links for you if you have more questions.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
And if I did, would that convince you?
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
And if I did, would that convince you? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18213…
Combine that story with this one. http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/iran-says-missiles-can…
Jaime
September 10th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Enriching at 20 or even at 27% is not tantamount to to having nukes. I think you'll have to agree with this.
Roger
September 10th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Well, it's only WikiPedia but I don't know how technical you want this.
Anything over 20% is highly enriched.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium
Here is a better site with pretty easy to understand information.
http://www.nti.org/analysis/reports/civilian-heu-…
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 1:56 am
no it's not. 90 percent or 95 % is highly enriched. Iran has only Low enriched uranium. It is their legal right to have Low enriched uranium.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 1:58 am
you have read nothing of cicero. Exactly what I thought.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 1:59 am
He wasn't talking about muslims.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 2:00 am
the truth.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 2:00 am
? in vegetable oil? In Tia juana?
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 2:01 am
no he didn't
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 2:02 am
yes you are
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 2:02 am
reality is my friend
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 3:24 am
Really, they allow that for paid commenters?
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 3:25 am
You know my cultural heritage more than my parents did?
They don't pay you enough to know these things.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 3:26 am
Fine, argue with the site that explains anything over 20% can be used in dirty bombs.
And anything over 20% is considered highly enriched uranium.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 3:27 am
Yes, he did. Read the thread again.
You have had a couple of days, did you try drinking the water? It would wash the lard out of your mouth.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 3:28 am
Yes, my style is the truth.
And you admitted yours is to accept pay for your agenda. And for the agenda of your handlers.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 3:29 am
"Islam has no long term planning" would refer to muslims.
Relax, have some more refried beans on a deep fried taco shell and enjoy the manteca lard aroma and flavors. You can wash it down with mexico city water.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 3:30 am
Was that you, or your handler thinking that?
And I have read a bit of Cicero, would you support the destruction of a middle class accumulating wealth?
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Did he say that with a straight face? If anything Russia would have owned the syrian army like they did during the cold war.You got it twisted but what else is new.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Calling you a liar is based on fact. Iran is not backing anything. Saudi Arabia sent tanks into Bahrain. That's backing the dictatorship in Bahrain. Massacring women and children.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Even when people show you've lied you don't admit it.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Well I live in the US and I know for a fact Americans have their news filtered. They don't get the straight scoop ever.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:45 am
By lying and spreading hate and judgment?
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Reality is what it is.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Do I? Based on what? Your word as someone paid to comment here?
No sources? No links?
I have something for you, since you admire mexican food…
A soft corn tortilla, deep fried in manteca lard and viola! A taco shell! You can do this, it's not hard.
And the heat will make you thirsty, so get some fresh water from the mexico city municipal supply.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:46 am
you admitted it.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Iran is actively backing Syria, I gave links and sources.
Why don't you?
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Of course, but we're allowed to cruise the world wide web and get sources overseas.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Yes even. Look it up yourself if you don't beleive me. Islam and Christianity come from the same tree. That's why it's so funny to hear you say things like "the almighty" when anybody who knows the truth knows that they are the same thing.
And my taco cares for its cheese.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Why would you do that then?
Oh, I forgot you're paid to be here.
Don't you have any leeway on the things you say?
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Well the muslims in palestine are the true descendants for Abraham because they are Semites and most of the fake jews in israel were khazar converts of the 8th century. Also, They are muslims now. They converted, but never left the levant.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Yes, and talking points can be anything.
Even that Iran isn't supporting Assad in Syria.
When the rebels captured the military men/pilgrims, it kind of poked a hole in that one.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Quote me.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
They don't need them. That is why they don't have them. non sequitir.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 11:53 am
They may be, but they lived in Syria and Jordan until the 8th century, then invaded as muslim invaders. There were always Jews living in their ancestral homeland even up until trans Jordan expelled them from Jerusalem in 1948.
And Jews do not convert, they have the real Almighty. Why would they want allah?
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Is that why North Korea is helping them on cruise missiles?
Non sequitir.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:54 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeas…
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 11:54 am
No, and there is nothing in common with the two other than monotheism.
One values life, one has suicide bombs.
And there is a way to solve that cheese issue, big glasses of mexico city water to wash it down with.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 11:56 am
That's an old story, here is one months newer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/world/middleeas…
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:57 am
They didn't say that. But you argue with them if you want.
Explain how Iran can have nukes when the CiA and the mossad says they don't have them? Not too mention they are inspected by the IAEA and signatories to the NPT.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Highly enriched Uranium is not Weapons grade Uranium.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I don't need to. He could have said "nice weather we're having" and you would have taken that as meaning "Islam must be destroyed". You're a monster.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
No you can't. As a christian you are to forgive. Love your enemies, turn the other cheek.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
No it's not. Your style is hate.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Cicero was not quoted as saying that.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
No you haven't. You haven't read anything about cicero. Nothing about his politics his speeches, nothing. Absolutely nothing.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Panetta. Did Panetta say that with a straight face when America is supporting terrorists in Syria? Russia is supporting Syria more than Iran. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/09/08/rus…
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
The story speaks for itself, and your conclusion is not in keeping with the article.
I have pointed to the work Iran is doing towards a nuke, not that they have a stockpile already.
And the IAEA says they are not coming forward in an honest way.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/world/middleeas…
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Enough for dirty bombs.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
You don't need to. But if you want to be credible it would help to know what was said.
And the world will not know peace as long as this is guiding such a large group of people.
"9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
And I would expect an anti-war site would understand that war is bad, even in the name of this religion's extremists.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I always have. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeas…
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
I just did.
And as a muslim you're commanded to do this.
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
A big glass of city water.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
My style is realism, thank you very much.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Where in that comment did I claim it was cicero?
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
So Is russia. But russia is the country that has the most influence because they can veto UN resolutions. I have given you links. Iran is not backing syria the same way saudi arabia backed Bahrain or the same way America is backing the rebels.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
From a guy who didn't know why we should study his writings?
Why should I take you seriously now?
And Cicero is very relevant to our times.
http://www.minterdial.com/2008/10/cicero-the-roma…
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Are you talking about yourself. Your actions speak louder than words.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
The same russia that built a nuclear reactor for Iran?
How does that help the poor people being shot in Syria?
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
But not everything over the internet is true either.
You have to use the filter that it is in your brain.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
And here is a story months later.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/world/middleeas…
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Iran is sending military to back up the regime.
Russia? Arms and ships as a show of arms, but it's Iranians that the rebels are capturing.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Russia is supporting Assad. They have the veto power. Not Iran. And who cares if Russia is supporting Assad. Why do you even care. There are muslims, they're getting killed, you're happy.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
No, why? Not when it fits you so well.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
More than one country can support Syria, and Iran has worked with Russia on many programs before. So, I don't understand why you think only one or the other is supporting Syria.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I did many times. I'm not gonna give you the satisfaction. I'm not your monkey.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Such as Iranian centric talking points buying time for their nuclear weapons program.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
No, you keep claiming I said that, but it's simply not true.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Jews convert. Ask the Khazars. The real descendants of abraham still live in the levant but they are muslims. These jewish converts came to palestine as refugees.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
It's not old and still rings true. Nothing has changed. They are still within the guidelines of the IAEA the are still enriching to low levels they are still signatories to the NPT. Japan has the same sort of Nuclear capability as Iran , uh oh better go bomb them japanese!
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Yeah exactly your statement is a non sequitir.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
They have the same god. The SAME god.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Nope the same God would have the same values and goals.
One wants life and restoration.
One wants submission, forced probably.
One has suicide bombs, not the other.
They are total opposites.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Because you're wrong?
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
And if muslims convert they risk stoning as apostates.
But you haven't done anything other than make bizarre claims.
Can you show Jews actually convert? I can show that Saudi Arabia expelled Jews in 1948 since they knew Jews would never bow to Allah.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Not according to the newer story, they cleansed a site to hide the activity.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
No they didn't. The IAEA and the CIA and Mossad knew about that already.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
I'm not wrong. You have never proved me wrong.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeas…
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I am already more credible than you will ever be. He never said Islam must be destroyed. That is what you inferred.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
And I would expect you to know there will never be peace as long as this is guiding such a large group of people.
http://bible.cc/isaiah/60-16.htm
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Christ never existed so how am I a muslim again?
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
No it's not. It's fantasy.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
I'm not gonna tell you. I'm not your monkey. Cicero never said anything like what you quoted.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
and it was still activity to hide nuclear programs.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Yes, I did. With a story from the same paper but months newer. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/world/middleeas…
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Absolutely not.
The two require totally different things.
One requires suicide belts,
One requires the opposite.
One requires the stoning of rape victims.
One offers forgiveness and a change of heart so no more rapes happen.
Don't think you can say both are even close, let alone equal.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
As an admitted paid commenter, you don't.
With all due respect of course.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
God caring for us as a mother breast feeding a young, that's a very peaceful and comforting image.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
But he did. Even islam says so.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
A big glass of city water.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
With all due respect, when you admitted you receive pay to make comments, your credibility took a big hit.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Sure he did.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/0690c.asp
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
With all due respect, you just made that up.
I wasn't able to just quote the body of work from Cicero on an issue but also provided a link to back it up.
So, who's making it up anything? Not me.
Jaime
September 11th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Don't bother. Anybody knows that 20 or 27% is not enough to build a bomb. And even if they di enrich at bomb-making level, that doesn't mean, tehy are going to make it. Anyway, why are we discussing a non-issue. Why don't we discuss the real Israeli nuclear weapons and/or their delivery systrems? Vanunu? http://www.peaceheroes.com/MordecaiVanunu/mvanunu… What are you going to say? That he is a liar?
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
It's enough to build a dirty bomb.
As my link explained.
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Right, you can't prove it. STFU.
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Irrelevant to my question. Do you believe Obama fears being stoned by his relatives — yes or no, weasel.
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Having a "caliphate" as some presumed central goal is no more "long term planning" than having a Rapture is to evangelical Christians.
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
I draw the line aty not being an obsessed, cowardly, frightened loon such as yourself. Osama bin Laden laughs in his grave at shmucks like you, quivering and quaking at the mention of the word "Islam," getting undressed to go on airplanes, and asking Big Daddy Government to watch everything, and caloling it "freedom." Your mentality is bin Laden's true victory.
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Sorry, but inconsequential mouthings about "human rights" and "dialogue" do not constitute support for a rebellion. And even if your premise were true that Obama backed these rebellions, it is idiotic to blame Obama's "Muslim heritage," when both sides are Muslim. It is also idiotic not to recognize that ALL of Obama's peripheral connections to Islam are to SUNNI Islam, not SHIA Islam. Given that, his alleged "Muslim heritage" would, if anything, back Sunnis against Shias (as in Iran). So why aren't you claiming he is violating his "Muslim heritage" instead?
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
What "religion" is that? What "values" do you stand for other than paranoia and gullibility?
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Yes, but why do you care about muzzies killing muzzies, when you obviously hate and fear them. why aren't you reloicing?
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Israel has always had more money (US & the West) and technology backing them. God has nothing to do with it.
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
A dirty bomb is worthless against someone with real nukes. I could build a dirty bomb with plans downloaded off the internet. All I need to do is collect discarded smoke detectors.
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
What Islam may or may not believe about Obama has no influence on Obama, any more that it would on me. Since Obama doesn't see himself as Muslim, he doesn't act as one. Unless he is scared of them, which you have just admitted he isn't.
A. G. Phillbin
September 11th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
You really are humor challenged, aren't you? Most paranoid cranks are.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
And inconsequential mouthings about not supporting a rebellion are worth even less. And taking the pattern of his support for situations where the muslim brotherhood or similar militant muslim people stand to gain from the support, it backs my comment.
And he does have a muslim heritage, due to his father and step father.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Why are you asking?
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
I already have.
If you chose to ignore it, fine.
But don't say I haven't proved it.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Relocating to where exactly?
Where don't they want to include in the world wide caliphate exactly?
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
How many thousands of rockets have been fired at Israel in just the last 5 years?
What are the odds that not one would hit and kill a person in a home or business?
God has more to do with it than you want to admit. And that's your choice.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Muslim militants seem to prefer soft civilian targets like the civilian towers.
And a dirty bomb would cause all sorts of problems in that situation.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Doesn't it? Then why does he make it White house protocol to visit mosques when he travels abroad?
Yes, official white house protocol as described by his staff.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44322.h…
It's in the third paragraph. He cares.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
So, you didn't quote me and won't admit you can't.
It always falls back to the personal insults, doesn't it?
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Perhaps, but Christians have long term planning to meet the rapture, so I'm not sure I see your point.
Roger
September 11th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Or it could be he pauses and tries to understand just how much resistance we will put up. You know with dry runs to test our resolve.
http://spencerwatch.com/2010/09/03/dry-run-was-a-…
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
The same nuclear reactor that japan has?
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
A story that says Iran has nukes? No. A story that says nothing. Uh oh better go check out those japanese, they are working towards nuclear weapons. But, oh yeah genius, we wont know until the first bomb drops on a chinese city.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
NO they aren't. America is sending aid to the rebels that are murdering people. It's russia that is vetoing resolutions.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Hitler had a christian heritage.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
The only hate I see is yours.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Iran does not have nuclear weapons program. You're not worried about japan or the other 127 signatory countries of the NPT.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
where?
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Syria isn't supporting the rebels killing civilians. The US is.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
you know its true
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Of course jews convert. How do you think all those jews became muslims? They were the descendants of abraham and converted to Islam.
Jews convert, christians convert, muslims convert. Christians convert to Islam, Christians convert to Judaism. jews convert to islam or christianity, or mormonism or whatever.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
How many wars have started by Israel. And by rockets you means sticks and stones.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Japan has them too. As does Saudi Arabia, turkey, brazil argentina and the other 127 signatories to the NPT.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
And you don't need to blame muslims or Iran for a dirty bomb going off, There are lots of Timothy mcveighs out there who would love to get their hands on a dirty bomb and take out a city. Domestic Terrorists exist.
patriothere
September 11th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
It was much ado about nothing as the CIA and the IAEA concluded.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:00 am
what does it show? You cite nothing. You have nothing. No evidence of nothing.
Where did you prove me wrong? You have proof of nothing.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Let me give you a link of a vacant lot and then lie and say that there used top be christian terrorists raping women there but the christian terrorists scrubbed the site clean removing all evidence. Did I prove what I said? No. Of course not.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:04 am
You didn't answer the question.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:05 am
I am not an admitted paid commenter. That's you trolling.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Anybody that is not a paid hack troll such as yourself can interpret that as pretty straight forward. You shall suck the milk of nations. Parasitic.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:06 am
And he may have been talking to you jews, but where does that leave the rest of us gentiles?
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:08 am
But he didn't. SO how am I a muslim again?
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:09 am
I never did. I guess you are just stuck at being a paid hack troll who is about to banned from antiwar.com
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:09 am
No he didn't.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Not most christians. Just those crazy scary dangerous evangelicals. Bringing fiery death so the rapture can't happen. Well keep your crazy thoughts to yourselves.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:12 am
You buddy spencer is a zionist troll like you. I imagine you talk to him a lot over the phone?
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:13 am
Making things up again. You have read nothing of cicero. Nothing at all.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 7:57 am
No, they don't want to erase anyone.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 7:59 am
And Japan uses their responsibly and doesn't support terror in their region.
And it's just a matter of time until Iran finishes enough refined uranium with all those thousands of centrifuges.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Of course they are.
Feeding the parasite state.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 7:59 am
And still was never a Christian.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Why really…
Did you finish a single glass of mexican water yet?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Of course they do, and they cleanse sites to hide it.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:02 am
It was way to confusing for you, the handlers would rather you focus on the talking points they have for you.
Like Iran doesn't have any weapons programs (but they hide it by cleansing sites)
Like Japan has the same reactors.
(do they threaten to erase anyone?)
And that I'm the one that's not on target.
You're floundering.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Syria uses jets to kill civilians.
You get upset with Israel uses it's jets to take out targets, what's the difference here?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:03 am
No, it isn't.
Quote me.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:04 am
They aren't muslims.
They didn't convert.
And if muslims convert they are labeled apostates and face a possible death sentence for it.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:05 am
No, by rockets I mean rockets.
And they are fired in the hundreds at Israel, self defense is a horrible thing, it just doesn't go along with your last propaganda.
Anti-war means both stop shooting, even the arabs.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:05 am
But none of those want to 'erase' Israel from the maps.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:06 am
And the clerics in Iran keep them busy around the region, like Hezbullah, Syria, the non citizens of Bahrain, in Yemen, boy they stay busy.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:07 am
They concluded the site was cleansed.
Where did the materials go, and why not let them examine the materials?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:07 am
It shows that Iran had something to hide.
That's what it proved and that means you were proven wrong, there is materials proving you wrong enough it was moved.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Sounds like you had another dose of great mexican cooking.
Was it pulled pork?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:09 am
No they don't. The two different gods demand opposite things from the opposing groups.
Your god rewards violence and death.
The Almighty values life.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Of course I did.
What's wrong? Did you expect an answer that would be easy to twist around into something else?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:10 am
You did say this. That says it all.
And it's not very 'anti-war' and in keeping with the pacifist nature of this site either.
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Why, the Opec nations are doing it now, it's called trade.
And for God the creator to provide is called providence.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:11 am
It leaves you realizing that Christianity is the fulfilled promise with room for Gentiles, that you are invited into the family of God.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:12 am
But He did.
And you silly paid commenters really need to get better writers.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:12 am
The water there is well known for it's abilities to 'move' people.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:13 am
But you have.
You are the paid hack so desperate to keep up the war rhetoric against non muslims that you want to keep me from side tracking and explaining why you're so wrong.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Yes, he did.
Couldn't your iranian computers open a link?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Yes, all Christians.
You don't know my religion if you really think that. Did your handlers just give you something to post in a hurry?
The return of Christ is central to any Christian faith, in different settings and with different events building up to it. But Christ has promised to come again. It's very long term planning, for about 2,000 years now.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Your buddy Trista Parsi is an iranian muslim like you. I imagine you talk to him a lot over the phone?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:17 am
You bark at the wind like a lonely dog.
I quote and provide links and you spit at reality.
WTE
September 12th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Hopefully his ban will come soon. Getting tired of this troll
WTE
September 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Hitler was a chirstian, nothing you say will change that. Facts prove he was
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:46 am
And why don't you want debate?
Are you afraid that you can't debate in an open forum?
You advocate violence and vigilante justice, you violate the spirit of why this site was founded.
If anyone should be banned, it's not me. But instead of focusing on it, I just take one comment at a time and take it apart to see if it stands the light.
Anti-war. Such a noble goal. I would love to see the earth at peace, not forced into submission to anyone religion.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 8:48 am
How to say this so you won't misquote me later.
(sarcasm coming) I parked in a garage (sarcasm in progress) and I'm not a Ferrarri.
(sarcasm used)
Hitler may have been seen in a church, but that did not make him a Christian.
Facts show he never followed the teachings of Christ. Facts show he never valued the things Christ did.
You have some strange perverse drive to prove this against all facts.
And you brought that agenda here to a site dedicated to anti-war values. Why do you think it's appropriate?
WTE
September 12th, 2012 at 8:58 am
So by using your own logic you are not a christian either. Yeah you may be seen in church but you violate the teachings your preach so loudly i.e., you admit to stealing, you lie, and you don't love your neighbor.
If your god was real you would have that awkward moment where you wake up in hell because you were a bigoted intolerant false christian who used religion as your excuse to become a spiteful hateful person
WTE
September 12th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Because debating is not on your agenda. You derial every debate I get in
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Wow, with all due respect Mr Edwards, let's make sure I understand your serious issue here.
You have an unsubstantiated rumor of violence and use that to call for the violent death of every single Christian in town without trial or investigating.
I point out you had no sources or trials, that not every Christian in town may have even been involved, that your approach was equal to muslim jihad and you call me derailing the debate?
I call that debate since I examined the issues and came back with valid responses to the short comings of your thinking.
Anti-war is not compatible with vigilante justice.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 9:11 am
You don't know my life.
And I trust God enough to deal with my comments here.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I know you don't have one. Why don't you try getting a life instead of wasting it here online in front of a computer day after day after day after day. At least other people take a break, go out with friends, etc. You are wasting your life. You know, you only get one.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:00 am
You have read nothing of cicero and know nothing of what he said or stood for. You prove it every time. Copying a link and pasting it does not mean you read it.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Trita parsi? The guy who has his own website? Is Krista parsi from tia juana?
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Not bringing the rapture through fiery death. That is something the scary evangelicals have been promoting. Not so much the catholics.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:04 am
The return of the jesus character is something that all christians anticipate but not all christians have latched on to this crazy idea of bringing death and destruction so the rapture can happen.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Your link did not prove what you said.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:06 am
You have an unsubstantiated rumor of debating but never ever debate. Just spew poison. Every time you are prioven wrong, which is all the time, you don't stop posting, you just start trolling.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:08 am
But he didn't you silly paid hack.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:13 am
So that is why the jews rejected christianity? Because they wanted to keep their god seperate from the gentiles?
I don't to be a part of their family that kills children and sucks the milk of nations and gets other countires to fight their wsrars for them. No thanks. I'll pass.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Sucking the mliko f nations the gentiles sahll be your vine dressers? They shall feed your flocks? That is domination and parasitism.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:17 am
That's you being a troll again. I said that I am not a paid hack troll like you. That is what I have always said. Anybody that knows how to read in context can undererstand and infer properly what I meant.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Why don't you read cicero. You hvae not read anything by him. Why don't you start?
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Why don't you anser the question?
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Why don't you answer the question?
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 11:25 am
SZee, this is where you should just refuse to respond. You don't have to respond to everything I say or write down. You have been beaten and so you resort to trolling. Just don't comment.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Have I?
You keep bringing up your mexican aunt.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
No, they worship completely different beings.
Just because the latest one to come along stole the name doesn't mean that the Almighty is amused about it.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I did. Why do you think I'd use the expected answer so your handlers could pretend to know what's going on?
This is where you have lost the debate and are just trolling. Why even respond? Your comments have nothing to do with the story or it's issues, and nothing to even do with the concerns of the site, anti-war.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Why do you pretend to know what I've read?
This is just a personal attack against terms of service on this site.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:34 am
It says that you're like the Israeli paid hacks. I don't know about them, but I will take you at your word on your situation.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:35 am
It is what it is. Do you consider a small helpless infant a bad thing to breast feed?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:36 am
You were probably breast fed, so I'd be careful what you say about a loving mother that provides for her helpless children.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:37 am
But he did. Go back and read the thread.
And he and I debated the issue, not these silly personal attacks you keep throwing out against terms of service on this site.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:38 am
How would I know where you aunt is?
But the glass of water would help that strong smell of manteca that they use in so much of their cooking.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am
With all due respect, how would you know? What is it exactly that you consider debate?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Yes, it actually did, with the commentary from another person to back up my conclusions.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:43 am
You don't know what evangelical preach evidently.
The rapture refers to something secret, that happens like a thief in the night. Only a small segment of Christianity has that belief. But those that hold it are not what you pretend they are.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:44 am
You don't know the Bible.
It's evil that wants the destruction, and death. (makes me think of suicide bombs and stuff)
Christ comes to put an end to that evil and to spare His children left on earth out of mercy.
I'd rather not discuss particular doctrines, this is an anti-war site you know.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:45 am
You must be confused.
You sound confused.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:45 am
It means not only do I know what he wrote, but can easily show others have as well.
And they have my same conclusions.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 11:46 am
So, why do you think you're like paid Israeli PR men exactly?
I don't mean that as an attack this time, I would really like to know.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
That's a non sequitir.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
It's just a matter of time until japan has the refined uranium with all those thousands of centrifuges and drops the bomb ion a chinese village. Or turkey or argentina or the other 124 signatories to the NPT.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
They have trade deals and economic ties to Syria.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
But still had a christian heritage.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Tia juana? Water from Tia juana?
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
No they don't. You have proof of nothing.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Iran doesn't have any nukes and neither does japan. Japan has the same nuclear program as Iran. Fact.
You are wrong. Facts prove you wrong. You have no proof to the contrary.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
The US is supporting rebels killing civilians.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
I have on numerous occasions. And don't pretend like I haven't!
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Yes they did convert. That's how they became muslim.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
They are little rocks and they hurt no one. Tanks and jets kill children. and stealing land from indigenous people is a horrible thing. Ethnic cleansing is a horrible thing.
patriothere
September 12th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
They are not working towards it either. Neither is japan. Neither are the other 124 signatories to the NPT. I have shown you links that prove that Iran is not working towards a nuke. You are just peddling lies.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Of course they are. It's why they cleansed the site I linked to, and hid their activity.
They want to 'erase' Israel.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
They are rockets, and the only reason they've not killed more innocent civilians is that the Almighty watches out for His people.
And ethnic cleansing is a horrible thing, even if the victims are Jews.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Why don't you remove the death penalty for apostates and we'll see who wants to convert beside these pretend Jews you speak about.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Iranian military personel perhaps?
And why not blame Saudi Arabia, they are trying to level the playing field against Iranian involvement there.
Right or wrong, it's a fact.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Iran is working on it, you admitted the site was cleansed and that it was a military site.
So, why else would the military be working on nuclear material and hide it?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
And you have no proof that the site was cleansed for any other reason.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Does your aunt not have running city water?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Having a Christian heritage doesn't mean someone is a Christian. A lot of people have that heritage and aren't interested in religion.
That's why we have a post Christian Europe today. If islam didn't have a death penalty for apostacy we might have a post islamic asia within a few years.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
And being a parasite Syria has taken everything offered than needed more to prepress it's people.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
You pretend Japan has the manic leadership Iran has.
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
But accurate.
NotCredulous
September 12th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Geez you go on and on and on… And seeing your bovine face and your silly 'serious mind looking for other serious minds to discuss serious ideas very seriously' its hard to hold it against you. You never chose to be this stupid. You have had to be born this way. Do you know how to tie your shoelace, chickenhead?
Roger
September 12th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Why the personal attack instead of explaining point by point – if you're serious.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
No it's not accurate.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
You pretend that that is relevant and is only your opinion.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Prepress? Tia juana?
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
It means Hitler had a christian heritage.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
From what city? Tia Juana?
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
The burden of proof is on you to prove that there was nything there. I could say there is a green alien watching your every move but it would be up to me to prove it.
I could say that I can fly, and then say to you you can't prove that I can't fly. I have to prove that I can fly. You have to prove that there was something there. All you have is an empty lot and then you infer that there must have been a nuclear program there. Well I say there was a kabob shop there. Prove that there wasn't a kabob shop.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
You have no proof of anything. You have no evidence of anything. There is an empty lot and you assume that there was nuclear activity there. Well I say there was a kabob shop.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
I blame the US for supporting rebels killing civilians.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
jews convert muslims convert christians convert. It happens all the time. Get over it.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Quote me.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
We did not support the oppressive regime that shot civilians, we had nothing to do with the death of Neda.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
You have no proof against the military cleansing that site either. So, what did they have to hide?
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
It depends on where your aunt Juana lives.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
But remained against the teachings of Christ. Why? He rejected that heritage, a luxury Christians have.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
It's the early steps of repressing them. You know bowing at the mosque is a precurser to the rest of the submission.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
No, actually you brought Japan into the debate.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
If Israel wanted to use it's nuclear arsenal to erase anyone, they have had more than enough time to do so.
Facts speak for themselveson this.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
You're stupid. The israelis dont use their nukes because they know they will die too.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
You pretend that what a figure head says is relevant. He said disappear. Not erase. At it is all irrelevant. You could say irans is working on nukes because their secretary of kabobs says toaster are bad for the environment and make just as much sense.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
It's nonsense. You really need to think before you type here. Too many spelling errors you make.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
He still had a christian heritage Just like obama having a "muslim heritage"
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
from tia juana? You know you don't have to respond. You can just concede.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Prove that they weren't cleansing a kabob shop. There was a kabob shop there. Prove that there wasn't.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Yes you did. You did the same thing in venezeula with chavez.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
I'm not your monkey.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
The only time Nukes were used, it ended a war. Let's hope that never happens again. And if it does, let's hope it happens in a place where civilians don't get caught in the blast.
War really is a horrible thing, even for the survivors.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
I was wondering why you brought Japan into the debate, It still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
"Too many spelling errors you make."
That may have meant 'you make too many spelling errors'?
I'd rather have a good idea with a typo than just a lot of fluff words with nothing added to the debate.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
rocks.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
But a Christian heritage means only his home had those values.
A muslim heritage means you have to have those values since you were raised that way.
Christian teens often spend a time of rejecting Christianity until later when they are more mature and think things through, can you say that about those in islam?
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
What about your aunt? Won't she give you a drink of water?
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
They cleansed the kabob shop.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
From your aunt Juana? What about her? Why would I concede? Does you aunt have something to say here?
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Neither does Iran. And besides, it's totally irrelevant.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Does the iran army eat kabobs so radiated they have to do a cleansing after the place runs out of food?
Wow, you iranians have strange customs.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
domestic terrorists exist.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
it was a kabob shop. prove it wasn't.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
What are you referring to exactly? Chavez is alive and Neda isn't.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Yeah, a kabob shop.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
tia juana.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
they worship the same god.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
no you didn't
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Not at all.
They serve in religions with diametrically opposed goals and tactics.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Facts are not your friends.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
I said I am not like you.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
radiated kabobs.
Can you prove that's what the iranian army eats?
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Radiated kabobs? Prove that's what the iranian army eats.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
I consider a group of people conspiring to dominate the world a bad thing.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Yes, they do sadly enough.
And iranian support makes it easier for them to remain.
That kind of activity is horrible and so warlike, sites like this are here to remind people that war is bad, and anti-war activists are noble to try to stop it.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
The milk of nations? Why should they steal the milk of my nation. It's my milk. They have no right to it. Have them get their own damn milk.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
It has come up on occasion.
And it goes to motive, and tactics.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
but he didn't paid hack.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Then they shouldn't cook the kabobs with military nuclear materials.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
War is bad, even if fought with rocks.
This is an anti-war site. Why not just say you mock them by posting here and be done with it?
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
You troll.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
No, It actually didn't.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Each person converts to Christianity, that's part of the religion.
And Jews have the Almighty, it's the bedrock of their religion.
So, who would think any Jew would rationally convert short of torture or something?
You haven't laid out the case that any have converted outside this basic empty claim.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
through fiery death. No thanks.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
not until there is fiery death.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
You sound like a paid hack troll.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Read something of his and then come back in two years.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
I am not like you.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Clearly you idealize war, if it's part of destroying non muslim groups, like the apartheid the copts are facing.
Why do you think posting on anti-war is a good place for your thinking? They're opposed to the very violence you seem to cherish.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
it failed just like in Iran.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
We go way back.
Not as far back as Cicero, he was a bit before my time. But some of the facts he wrote about have been around even before he wrote about them.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Yes, I know, you're not. I don't get paid and I'm not a pr man.
patriothere
September 13th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
wrong again. Japan wanted to suurender.
Roger
September 13th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
But you are so friendly to all other muslim values and goals, why are you against the world wide caliphate?
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Because they have the same nuclear program.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:00 am
A mother offering nourishment to a helpless child is a loving scene.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:00 am
But he did.
Why is your not understanding the thread something you want to make sure everyone knows about?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Your aunt? Why do you keep bringing her up?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:02 am
With all due respect, and again being as polite as possible, what do you consider debate?
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:02 am
you have both. you suck in all ways.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Yes, it did.
If you had read the link you'd realize how wrong you are.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:03 am
And do you have a scripture to back that conclusion up?
I don't think so, but of course you can prove me wrong.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:04 am
They are the same.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Really, any examples of that?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Do you have links or sources?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:05 am
After two bombs they did.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Based on what? The opposite values and teachings?
Based on nothing in common with the ability of one to choose or reject that Almighty/allah?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:08 am
You do realize tia is auntie, why do you keep bringing up your auntie juana?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:09 am
Neda is dead, Chavez isn't.
Why is it a victory to murder ned a?
That's completely opposed to the anti-violence values of a site like this.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:09 am
prove they don't
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:10 am
It doesn't take me two years to read something.
Should I read even more Cicero or maybe Aristotle?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:10 am
On that we can agree.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Such as yourself?
I'd like to think I show more flexibility since I only use my own words and opinions in my comments, not words given to me to use by handlers.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:12 am
No texts or reasons for that conclusion?
Or was it just bigotry against the Christian faith?
And those that hold the rapture don't believe it's going to be fiery or a lot of death. It's called the secret rapture for a reason. Life will go on.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:13 am
jews convert and some christians are born. Baptized communion etc. Jews convert to christianity islam ec.
Muslims convert, buddhists etc.
And you are wrong
Christians don't convert to christianity. My buddy is a catholic because his parents are.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:14 am
Your auntie again? Why do you keep bringing her up? Won't she give you a big glass of water?
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:14 am
rocks are nothing compared to tanks and fighter jets.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:14 am
Prove they do.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:15 am
It's not true, why would I lie?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:16 am
So, you don't believe islam and don't believe that martyrs go to a paradise?
Do you think that dying is a bad thing? I suppose that's a start. Let's go from there. If you realize the two are different why not encourage peace without using them?
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Prove that they didn't use oil and kabobs?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Your buddy is catholic because he wants to be, and I'm sure his parents are proud.
Muslims are muslims because they are raised that way and risk an honor killing or being stones as an apostate if they aren't.
Why not push to revoke that and let everyone decide if they want to stay muslim without the threats of punishment?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 12:19 am
Why not show a shred of evidence they did?
I showed more than that, that the site was cleansed due to nuclear activiting in a military site.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:22 am
it is irrelevant.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:24 am
domestic terrorists mean from the home. Domestic terrorists like timothy mcveigh.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:24 am
Prove that they don't eat kabobs.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:25 am
prove that they are radiate kabobs.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:26 am
the same god. jehova.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Clearly you are wrong.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 1:47 am
Not entirely.
But Japan being brought into the debate was.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 1:48 am
And our justice system dealt with him. He will never harm anyone again because terrorism is rejected in our culture.
What happened to the men who slaughtered Daniel Pearl, did they stand trial?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 1:48 am
Prove that kabobs create nuclear material that needs cleansed before inspectors could determine what happened there.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 1:49 am
Prove the military feeds it's troops radiated kabobs.
You want this to go in circlers. And there is no clear reason why the military would be involved in a peaceful, civilian nuclear program unless it was for weapons or tactical military purposes.
Chew on that kabob why don't you?
Anti-war folks would say any nuclear devices useful for killing is bad.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 1:50 am
Still looking for you auntie?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 1:52 am
Not even. Jehovah called human sacrifices an abomination. Your allah rewards suicide bombers/human sacrifices.
See the problem with your theory? Facts don't support it.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 1:52 am
Clearly you say that, when it's not true.
You couldn't dispute the points I brought up. Are you willing to admit apartheid against the copts isn't in keeping with an anti-violence and anti-war position?
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 11:40 am
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Infcir…
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 11:40 am
tia juana. krista
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 11:42 am
The religions come from the same area propagated by the same people and are all monotheistic worshiping the same god.
But that wasn't the point, the point was christian heritage and your "muslim heritage" are the same thing.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Prove there wasn't a kabob shop there. That is what you are saying when you provide proof of nothing.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
They were both failures at their goal. Their goal was to overturn these governments into zionist friendly tregimes. They failed miserabl .
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
It's not a big deal. Who cares? Just admit it.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
He is a catholic because he was raised that way.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Kids are being brainwashed to be catholics or jews or baptists or whatever. It's brainwashing and a form of child abuse.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Christians have martyrs. Same thing. I thought you said that your words are not just hot air. You said nothing. Absolutely nothing!
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
That's my point. You just proved my point. WHy not show a single shred of sevidence of what you claim. You have not.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
No it wasn't. Do you hav down syndrome or something.
I made an analogy, japan and Iran have the same nuclear program in accordance with the NPT.I am making points here and presenting arguments.
YOu are just trolling.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
My point is domestic terrorists exist. Like anders breivik.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
You assumed all of that. There was no proof of anything being htere. It was empty. You assumed that there wsas something there.
Prove that there wasn't a kabob shop there?
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
You assumed all that. There is no proof that there was anything there. You assumed that there was something there. For all you know, there was a kabob shop there. You don't know because you have no evidence to prove it. They are signatories to the NPT, inspected by the IAEA and all nuclear weapons are against the law in Iran.
So weighing all that evidence, including the NIE of every year since 2003, the CIA and the mossad say that they don't have nuclear weapons.
Based on evidence.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Jehova demanded human sacrifices.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
The copts are not a real ethnic group.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
All you can say is that there is conflict between christians and muslims in egypt. That's it.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
You should try reading what he said for once instead of pretending like you have.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
That's not what I said. I said You are.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
This is in the bible.
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
That's not what they are saying. They are saying they shall suck the milk of nations. They should get their own damn milk. It's my milk, my country, my father land. My mother land. Get their own milk . I worked hard for this milk and there just gonna sit there and conspire to takle it from me? no way.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
And you were wrong.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
You aint kidding. I don't know why they haven't gotten rid of him yet. But I'll keep fighting him for as long as it takes.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
debates end. They have their end. They don't last for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks. That is why you are a troll. Somebody eventually loses and concedes. In basketball, the game ends somebody loses. You need to learn that.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
It talked about political economy. YOu weren't talking about that. You were talking about islam and your lunatic rantings.
Troll.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I'm not your monkey. But You and I know they want fiery death. it's the only way their messiah can come back. They want war. Ask John Hagee.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
I thought you said facts don't require proof. They are what they are. It's just a fact.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
You use zionist talking points. Nothing more. You're not gonna be here on this sire much longer so enjoy it while you can.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
You don't read anything at all. You're not learned at anything. Especially spelling.
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Ok then. No need for you to respond.
WTE
September 14th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
You know he will though. He has this "i have to havethe last word ego" makes him look foolish
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
manteca, pig fat….
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
aunt/ supervisor?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
the religions demand opposite things, and due to cultural differences they do mean different things.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
your aunt again?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
why would I know about your aunt?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
prove there was.
You can't prove water is wet. Sowhy would I think you could prove a lie?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
was not.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Why would you want me to admit a lie?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Catholics aren't raised that way. They are converted and confirmed. Hitler may have sucked off hte religious influence, but he was never a follower of Christ's teachings. He was not a Christian as Christians define themselves.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Like islam? NiNope. Kids get to decide for themselves.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
And Christian martyrs didn't blow themselves up in suicide vests or car bombs.
You don't understand western thinking enough to know what I said.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
I showed a military site cleansed to hide something was suspicious, and you showed kabobs?
You have nothing.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Troling like saying Japan and Iran are equals because why? One has nutsso leadders and one is a world power with a stable economy?
Trolling is your dish.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
They are not terrorists due to teh teachings of Christ. They are failures for not following the peaceful teachigns of Christ. When muslim militatants kill, it is due to teh teachings of islam. That difference is lost on you.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
*rove there was. A nuclear kabob shop for the sick cancer children perhaps?
Hahahahahahaha..
You are so lame.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
If there was nothing, they wouldn't have bothered cleansing the site.
Ergo, they want to hide activity the world isn't supposed to find out about.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Why do you keep bringing up your aunt.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
No, he didn't. He called them an abomination.
The only sacrifice was His son, and not every crackpot that wanted to kill in His name.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Of course they are, they are the real Egyptians from ancient antiquity.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Nope, I can say that the copts were the Egyptians there when the muslim hordes overthrew the byzantine empire and showed up.
All you can say is what your handler allows you to say.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
You should try reading outside the iranian allowed information before you pretend to know what you are told.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
You said what you said. Don't blame me for your bad writing and for your temper when you admitted to being a paid commenter here.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Yes the Almighty is a kind God, not like allah that wants suicide vests and car bombs.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Just because your mom wouldn't breast feed you doesn't mean a caring mom won't.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
He said what he said, even if you can't figure it out.
Don't put your reading issues on me.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Why do you keep mentioning your auntie juana?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
You are the troll because you have the wrong position and just keep thinking like most muslim activists if you just stomp and scream loud enough a nd long enough you will win.
How's that working for you?
When the iranian military cleansed a site of nuclear activity and you pretend it was a kabob shop? That's trolling.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Yes mr keithisgreat.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Are you just rambling hoping you can outlast me? Why don't you focus instead on making sense and making a point that makes actual sense?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
I'm not your monkey. You know and I know that you don't have a clue and have to keep saying that to make a living.
But Christians in the secret rapture think it will be quiet and non eventful other than the saints going with Christ.
You ought to watch the left behind movies so you can discuss this intelligently.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Yes. And that doesn't help your point.
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Because you rant and rave about things that don't make sense?
How does that work exactly?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Yet you can't follow a simple link to an analysis of Cicero by a commentator that agrees with me. You can't say why it's wrong.. you can't say if you even understand it enough to agree with parts of it.
You just level a personal attack and pretend that if you are loud enough it matters somehow.
How troll of you.
How long do you think this site will tolerate that kind of personal attack on their forums?
Roger
September 14th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Or you just never have a comment that doesn't deserve to be challenged.
How nice you and patriot here are working together. Did your handlers not trust you out alone?
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 12:42 am
When you have been defeated on wits and on debate you need to concede. You have been beaten. There is no need for you to respond. Take your loss and move on with your life.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 12:54 am
That's what you do. Admit you lost.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Who is that?
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 12:59 am
You mean like your lunatic rantings about god caring for a group of people? Of your lunatic rantings and ravings about muslims and how evil they are and how they want to install a world wide potato farm? Rantings of a lunatic. You should be taken away by the men in white coats. Islamaphopes are all shabbas goy Israeli PR men.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Actually it did paid hack troll. Just admit you lost and go home. Get a real job.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 1:02 am
You haven't read Cicero. That is my point.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 9:12 am
No, I haven't.
By whom, your auntie Juana?
You have been repeating the same failed points over and over. All it means is you can't think or actualy respond.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Someone that thought saying the same thing 2,000 times on a story made it true, it didn't.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am
But I haven't.
You just repeat something over and over hoping resistence to the lie will fade.
That's propaganda and conditioning. I don't condition well.
I know what I know, in spite of your handlers paying you to come here and do the Goebbels routine.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Why?
You know why you're here. Paid to be here, paid to say things. Let's repeat what your boss's agenda is for you.
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Lunatic rantings?
Israel stands.
How lunatic is it for you to talk otherwise?
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 9:16 am
But I have.
So, you're an uninformed liar.
That's my point.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:16 am
my point still stands.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:17 am
you assumed all that. YOu have no proof.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:18 am
the NIE of every year since 2003, the CIA and the mossad say that they don't have nuclear weapons
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:19 am
human sacrifices are in the bible. evilbible.com
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:21 am
No you haven't. That is MY point. Anybody that responds to this comment is a paid hack troll that lives with their mom.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Anybody that responds is a mamas boy who works as an Israeli PR man.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:25 am
My toes itch.
You might as well said that. It means the same thing.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:26 am
People that read that can read in context and know what I was saying. It's not my fault you can't.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:27 am
christians are wanting fiery death and working towards it so their messiah can come back.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:28 am
That's what you do.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am
He sounds stupid. like you.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:30 am
See, this is why you are a troll You completely ignore or disregard any of the facts and evidence and just repeat the same talking points over and over again.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:32 am
He never said anything because he didn't exist.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:34 am
That's not what's being said. You are wrong.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am
no he is not. Not kind to gentiles. A racist god that demands fiery death.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:38 am
I know what I said. I said it. You didn't say it.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Anybody that replies to my comment is a loser who lives with his mom and is named roger.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:40 am
conflict between christians and muslims in egypt. That's it
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:43 am
No they are not. You just want to believe that because they are christian. Christian is not a race.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Prove that I can't fly.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:45 am
in tia juana?
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 11:46 am
No they don't. They both demand submission. loser.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Yes, and that context was you thought I was paid troll, and bragged you were too. That you were going to drive me away.
Yet, here I am and I'm not a paid hack such as yourself.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Of course not, you silly non Christian.
What text makes you think we are?
Or was it a message a really upset cleric gave?
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Nope, I find a fact then realize it is what it is.
Talking points, well you show just how badly they suck.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
look for yourself. http://intensedebate.com/people/keithisgreat
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
look for yourself. http://intensedebate.com/people/keithisgreat
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
More of the same failed lies?
How predictable.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
It's your aunt/Tia, ask her. But you probably still haven't had that big glass of mexico city water. So, I'd mention it too.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Phillbin didn't exist? So when he laid out that test it wasn't him? Were you using a parallel profile or something?
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Of course it is. Even if your cleric doesn't agree.
A caring God looking out for His people.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
You really don't understand my God at all. He 'adopted' Christians as His people. And it's not a fiery death. Why do you keep saying that? Did a cleric say that?
You might want to ask him from the Bible.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
You said this.
"…that link says nothing on the subject. I attend the mosque where arguments are proven."
Now do you remember admitting you are muslim?
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Wow, you really don't like debate. How muslim is that?
Listen patriot here, you pretend you can drive me out of here, off this forum and silence my common sense. How is that working for you and your handlers?
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Yes, and those Christians are the ancient Egyptian ethnic group.
The muslims are the arab hordes ethnically that arrived when they collapsed the Byzantine empire.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Yes, they are.
You just want to believe that the arabs have the right to treat the natives badly.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Never approved of, or demanded by God.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
And unhappy with that, Iran is working as fast as it can.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
And you have proven nothing, and suggested a kabob shop radiated with the nuclear materials the military had there
That makes non sense.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
It never stood, it has never made any sense.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I said I am not a paid hack like you. People know that. They can read in context.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I have read it. I know.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
No you can't. I present facts and you just ignore it.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Yeah, a big time moron. He must have been a paid hack troll who lives with his mom like you. If you respond then you agree.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Now, are you going to ignore an earlier comment you made?
"…that link says nothing on the subject. I attend the mosque where arguments are proven."
You can't prove it, so don't even try arguing it. Unless you admit you lie?
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Christ never existed.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Inside your auntie
That's sad.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Sucking the milk of nation is a metaphor. A metaphor for stealing and robbing.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Submission how? Opposite ways. They're just so different how you even use them in the same sentence is wrong.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
He demands that gentiles be murdered and fiery death be placed on the gentiles, like the romans and the egyptians and the babylonians and the Iraqis and the Persians etc. etc.
He hates anybody that is not hebew. He hates me, I hate him right back.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
I never said that.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
And anyone that writes that is one first.
How childish is that. you can be childish all you want, but remember you're there all alone.
And you still have shown nothing but that muslims who have pretenses make a fool of themselves
In all due respect of course…
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Thanks for confirming what I already knew. Anybody that responds to this comment is a troll and a liar and hates jews and christ.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Do muslims wash or not?
Perhaps you need to be more muslim and wash?
Or you could just leave that behind and wash outside of religious reasons.
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
No they are not. Christian is not a race. The muslims there converted to. They are all semites and related.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Not in that comment you didn't.
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Then what text was it?
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
They are all related.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
You made delusional claims and can never back them up. And you think that if you just keep repeating them it makes a difference.
What text in the Bible shows the secret rapture will have a fire storm?
patriothere
September 15th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
You have no proof.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
If you write it, then you're a muslim paid hack living in the basement of a mosque.
How childish. You can't get outside the talking points long enough to have a real debate. How sad.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Why do you keep bringing up your 'auntie'?
Dude, it's just not right in the head, it's scary.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Of course he did.
You just don't chose to believe what He taught, or the values He lived.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
No, accepting nourishement from them.
And it's not stealing and robbing, that would use the words 'stealing and robbing' if that's what it meant.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
It didn't use the words 'stealing and robbing' id it? Then that's not what it meant. Oh, you poor little propagandist.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
You silly propagandist. You don't know what the Bible saysa nd can't point it out even after your cleric explained it.
Perhaps he was wrong? (He was, but you need ot figure that out for yourself.)
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
http://www.gateway.com
What text?
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
And you adon't either. You said you only accept proof, and now you have none, how does that work?
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
That's the muslim way. Don't you realize that?
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2011/08/09/its-the-…
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Anyone that would write that is a paid hack with a demanding handler screaming at him in the basement of a mosque.
Why don't you ever even try to rise to real debate?
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Perhaps you didn't, but a muslim paid hack using this profile did. We had a discussion about gravity, and was it a fact even before it was proven in the morning. WAs it a fact before it was understood, and he was very clear he only believed in gravity when it was proven.
You ought to keep better track of the trolls using profiles.
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Anyone that would write the last two comments for your profile must have a really mean muslim handler looking over his shoulder. They make no sense and drop all pretense at even mimicking debate
How sad. If you don't like debate, why even come to this forum at all?
Roger
September 15th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Copts are Egyptians from the time shortly after Cleopatra, when Pontius Pilate wast here and founded the first Copt Church.
Facts are not your friends.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:32 am
You couldn't resist could you? You just admitted you are a troll and a liar and hates jews and christ.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:33 am
Oh, you're mamas boy and an Israeli PR man.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:35 am
Oh you just admitted that you are a paid hack troll.
If you are an honest man and love christ, then don't respond.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:37 am
Israel, the bandit state of Israel that stole the land from the semites the true descendants of abraham, needs nukes and weapons and the US government to protect them.
They don't rely on god and neither do you or john hagee.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:40 am
Yes I did. YOu just can't read in context. You choose to ignore what I say.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:40 am
evilbible.com
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:41 am
You just ignore the facts and evidence I give you.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:42 am
Oh so you agree. If you are not a paid hack troll, don't respond.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:42 am
tia juana?
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:45 am
No he didn't. There are no busts of him. No writings of his known, no proof. He is fake. A made up character by saul of tarsus. He is mithra respun.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:50 am
Don't you realize that there is no apartheid. They are all related.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Christians martyrs have created atrocities and brought down empires. Far worse than suicide bombers.
Alinsky Hero USA
September 16th, 2012 at 1:16 am
Roger, I know you think that giant vagina on your face covers up your herpes, but it doesn't.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:08 am
You haven' t had a nice large glass of Mexico City water, have you?
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:08 am
You haven' t had a nice large glass of Mexico City water, have you?
And since I know my life better than you do, I laugh at your false conclusions.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Oh look, you're still pretending you're not an admitted paid hack.
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:10 am
They are the semite descendants. They were there before the muslim arabs, and unlike muslim activists they value life.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Then why can't you explain teh context of admitting you're paid hack and have it actually make sense? You're like an Israeli PR man and paid hack, but by saying you're like them you're not admitting it?
It makes no sense. Go have a large manteca fried taco shell why don't you?
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:13 am
So you don't have a text. You are relying on a site that is more evil than the Bible it lies about and you're still sticking with the talking points as flawed as they are.
You know it's the shiite muslims who believe in the fiery storm, not the any Secret Rapture folks.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:13 am
When you start presenting any, then I'll consider it.
Talking points. Not so much.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:14 am
I agree that you lost your muslim temper and admitted to being a paid hack.
How sad you cant stick with it.
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Still stuck on your 'auntie' juana?
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:15 am
He had his life documented and there are no busts of Mohammed, he must not have existed then, by your own tests.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:17 am
You pretend that Travis didn't lay down a test, then you try to pretend that you weren't making up some other trollish sort of issue by ignoring that.
Now you pretend you aren't an irrelevant paid hack just spewing comment after comment only in the effort to bore me to death.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:18 am
There is apartheid, and they are only related in that the first arab had an Egyptian wife. Ishmael married an Egyptian.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:19 am
You have no proof.
Roger
September 16th, 2012 at 9:21 am
No, they died for their faith, that's the defnition of martyr. That means they died out of a stand for love and justice. No suicide bomber deserves that kind of respect.
Remembers
September 16th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Weren't you the guy who said this?
1 day ago @ Big Government – Occupy-Linked Hacker G… · 17 replies · -6 points
"The revolution has begun and your kind will be finding their heads in baskets soon. I hope you still have that smile on your face when that time comes."
So, why are you here at an anti-war site hoping to be taken seriously?
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Their faith to subversion and terror.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
WHy not admit that you were wrong and jews convert and christianity is a birth right.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
You are wrong. Catholics are bron. My friend was born into a catholic family and baptized into the faith. He did not choose. He had no choice. He was brainwahsed and forced into it. You are wrong and your religion is wrong. How do you like that. ANybody that responds to my post is a loser paid hack troll.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
It is true and anybody that responds to my post is a paid hack troll and a liar.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Their goal was to overthroew the islamic republic of Iran and overtrheow the government of hugo chavez. You are wrong and if you respond to my comment you are a paid hack troll.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
You can't prove anything else. The onus is on you to prove what you say. That is my example and my proof. Prove what you say > I can say that I can fly but unless I have proof and prove it to you it is not fact and not true. You have no proof that Iran is working on nuclear weapons or has them. You are a liar and if you respond then you are a paid hack troll.
I have laid out very clearly that Iran is not working on nuclear weapons. They are not supporters of terrorists and They did not say erase Israel. And even if they did, that is not a reason for the US to go to war. It is all war propaganda. The only way we should to go war with Iran is if we are attacked. An attack on our soil by Iran. That's it. That hasn't happened.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
submission to god. SUbmission to an idealogy.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
where? IN tia juana?
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
You already submitted that you are a mamas boy and an Israeli PR man. Good job Moron.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Thanks for admitting to the world again that you are apid hack troll being paid to be here and that you hate christ. WHat a loser you are. YOu moron. You paid hack troll being paid to be here. I always said from the very beginning that you are a paid hack troll and I am not like you. I am not a paid hack like you. I'm here to chase you filth out.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
THey are not semites. You can't look at that terrorist benjamin netanyahu and say he is semitic. What is semitic with jews like seth rogen or benjamin netanyahu.
You antisemite. You are one of the biggest antisemites here. You and david horowitz and robert spencer and pamela geller. You are all antisemites.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Tortillas will always be tortillas and never be what you claim them to be gringo.
I said am not being paid to be here like you. That is what I said.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
all the text is there. And rapture is what christians want. during the rapture there will be fiery death. And they will disappear. So they think. Even though that is physically impossible.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
You just ignore my facts and evidence anyway. SO to hell with you troll.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Thanks for submitting that you a paid hack paid hack. What a loser you are. I'll be in Nebraska this week.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
He did not have his life documented. By whom. He is not mentioned anywhere. Only in the fake bible. ANd hte bible is fake and not the word of god and plagiearized from other semitic cultures preexisting the jews and christaisn by thousnads of years.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Thanks for confirming that you are a paid hack roger.I'll be in Nebraska this week. I'll make sure to stop by your troll hole and we'll have a cup of coffee.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
No they are not. Get your history right.
patriothere
September 16th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
japan and Iran have the same nuclear program.