“Danke Deutschland,” a singer crooned on Croatian state television in January 1992, after the freshly reunified Germany pressured the other 11 members of the nascent EU to recognize the secession of Slovenia and Croatia from Yugoslavia. An EU-appointed commission of lawyers had already declared Yugoslavia “in dissolution”, perhaps figuring it wasn’t really murder if the victim had been pronounced dead in advance.
Arguments put forth for independence were calculated platitudes, and often contradictory. No mention was made how Yugoslavia had been ruled by a Croat-Slovene for nearly four decades, or how he gave Slovenia and Croatia a form of statehood for the first time since the Dark Ages. The Serbs allegedly oppressing them were somehow both Communists and nationalists, and the drive to secession supposedly had everything to do with freedom, and nothing at all with seizing the lands and money the two acquired through Yugoslavia. The claims sounded so persuasive, especially in the euphoria surrounding the fall of Communism, even Murray Rothbard was snookered.
Slovenians massacred the Yugoslav Army recruits sent to secure the border, then declared it a victory over “Serb aggression.” Croatia’s government disenfranchised the Serb population of the republic, besieged and attacked the Yugoslav Army garrisons, then too claimed “Serbian aggression” when the Army fired back. Yet the Serbian leadership gave up trying to keep Yugoslavia together back in 1991, and at no time tried to deny Croatia the right to secede. At issue was only the land inhabited by Serbs, which Zagreb wanted – but without the Serbs. That wish was eventually granted by the Fairy Godmother Washington.
Desperate Times
Twenty years later, the song being played is “Hello, Europe,” as Croatians vote to become the Brussels Leviathan’s latest conquest. Less than half the registered voters bothered showing up, and a third of them actually dared vote “No.” Yet all knew it was a pointless exercise: the EU could make them vote again till they got it right, just as it did to the Irish.
It is reasonable to ask who would want to join the EU at a time like this. British Euroskeptic Daniel Hannan certainly does. “Do they know something we don’t?” wondered the Daily Mail back in December, when Croatia was officially accepted by the EU (the referendum, you see, was just window dressing). With Greece and Italy practically in default, Spain and Portugal close to it, France’s bonds downgraded and Germany printing its old currency just in case, the EU hardly looks like a life raft, much less like a safe haven.
Croatia, however, is just that desperate. Even though what it took from Yugoslavia included almost the entire Adriatic coast, the fertile Slavonian plain, and the only real highway, that turned out not to be enough. Government debt went from $3 billion in 1992 to a staggering $60 billion today. Private debt exploded as well, as the populace wallowed in imported consumer goods without actually being able to afford them. That was partly the fault of European investors – mostly German, Austrian and Hungarian – who would acquire local industries only to shut them down, while keeping subsidies and tax privileges.
Worse Off Alone
Lost in the clamor about “Serbian oppression” and “freedom from Communism” was the fact that under the economic system developed by Edvard Kardelj, top henchman of president-for-life Tito, both Slovenia and Croatia enjoyed a privileged position compared to the rest of Yugoslavia. While Bosnia, Serbia and Macedonia provided the raw materials, Slovenian industries made consumer goods to sell abroad, making a tidy profit in foreign currency. Croatia also got the lion’s share of foreign tourist income from the Dalmatian coast, which Tito had most generously awarded Croatia after WW2.
Once they became independent, however, the flow of both raw materials and tourists ran dry. Both countries eventually turned to Serbia again – even as they continued to harp on about “Serbian aggression” of the 1990s. That helped neither tourism nor trade. It ought to be noted that Serbia’s economy was laid low not just by the UN sanctions (as punishment for “aggression”) and the NATO bombing of its infrastructure in 1999, but also by the succession of quisling regimes since October 2000 that have devastated what managed to survive the ’90s.
Slovenia had fared somewhat better after Yugoslavia’s murder, preserving its capital by refusing the “shock therapy transition” the likes of which befell Poland, Russia or Hungary. But after it joined the EU in 2004, there was only so much Ljubljana could do.
Resurrecting the Hapsburgs
Croatia’s journey to the EU also highlighted the core hypocrisy of the Leviathan’s relationship with the shards of Yugoslavia. On one hand, the EU has forced Serbia – under the supposedly democratic (but in fact entirely quisling) governments no less – to meet an escalating series of conditions for over a decade: from turning over all ethnic Serb political and military leaders for war crimes trials, to recognizing the illegal “independence” of its occupied province of Kosovo.
On the other hand, though the issue of Slovenia’s “erased” – thousands of Yugoslavs who were denied citizenship and civil rights – ended up in European courts, the flagrant disregard of the country’s authorities for these people, or the cruel bigotry towards the Roma, never threatened its EU membership.
Likewise in Croatia, nothing has been made of the systematic denial of civil and property rights of Serbs expelled during the 1990s wars, spurious war crimes prosecutions of those who attempted to return, or open displays of Nazism. Once the token generals were sacrificed to the ICTY, Croatia got a free pass.
While some Serbian Europhiles complain about double standards (though quietly, so as not to offend the EU), that isn’t really the case here. Rather, it is obvious that Germany, the dominant power in the EU today, wants Slovenia and Croatia as part of the Union as much as it doesn’t want Serbia. Though no one has mentioned any particular reasons, Niall Ferguson’s theory of the EU as a restored Hapsburg Monarchy offers one possible explanation.
Clicking Into Place
Of course, the Germans, Austrians and Hungarians have every right to feel nostalgia for the time a century ago when their empires ruled central Europe. For that matter, Slovenes and Croats have every right to desire a return to what they regard as benevolent paternalism, especially since going off on their own hasn’t worked out so well. The problem here is that the Hapsburg/Hohenzollern revivalists blame Serbia for the demise of their original empires, unwilling to accept that their own belligerence and aggression might have been at fault, just a bit.
Thus we come full circle, back to the summer of 1914. Bosnia is still a flashpoint, with its Muslim and Croat communities wanting to join the EU even as they fight each other, while the Serbs want their own freedom first and foremost. Croatia’s EU entry will further disturb the already intractable Bosnian situation, as most Croats in Bosnia have Croatian passports.
It will also eliminate what leverage Brussels or Berlin still have on Belgrade. Between the now overt Austro-German hostility towards Serbia, and Croatia’s unrepentant belligerence, it is painfully obvious to the average Serb that government promises of joining the EU any day now are about as likely to come true as a snowstorm in August.
The two Yugoslav experiments in the 20th century revealed, among other things, that Slovenes and Croats never particularly appreciated being “liberated” from the Hapsburgs – to put it mildly. Perhaps it is fitting that they have now returned to the fold.
For all the efforts to impose a virtual narrative in the Balkans, it does appear that certain things are clicking back into their proper place. Reality is triumphing over wishful thinking. There’s a lesson therein, for those who want to learn.
Read more by Nebojsa Malic
- Victory Day – May 10th, 2013
- Consenting to Rape – April 25th, 2013
- An Unexpected Refusal – April 12th, 2013
- Lawless: An Oddly Exceptional Empire – March 28th, 2013
- Illusion of Triumph – March 21st, 2013





smunda
January 26th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
To the ignorant your review of history wont sink in but to those who these events have impacted so harshly must regreat everything that has happened to them and others.that never should have happened.As on other occasions you will be crittized for speaking the truth. Thanks !!
Hrebeljanovic
January 27th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Bravo Fearless Malic!
A truthful history lesson in a nutshell.
And no, I don't give a rats a** for those who don't understand it. No mercy given or accepted. It's time to man up.
Serbophobe
January 27th, 2012 at 5:43 am
"Slovenians massacred the Yugoslav Army recruits sent to secure the border"
Of course, that's what one does to occupiers. What's wrong with that?
Serbophobe
January 27th, 2012 at 5:57 am
"Croatia also got the lion’s share of foreign tourist income from the Dalmatian coast"
In fact, large part of it went to Belgrade to finance the parasitical Yugoslav army that was "defending" Yugoslavia from imaginary enemies. Also one part of it went to finance pensions for the old partisan fighters, many of them fake partisans who were never in war. Now that Serbia must finance its own partisan trash and other parasitical strata of the population, now that Serbs must actually work to earn their living, now they cry for good old Yugoslavia.
Serbophobe
January 27th, 2012 at 6:00 am
"nothing has been made of the systematic denial of civil and property rights of Serbs"
Malic is unfortunately wrong here. These criminals and scum did get their civil rights and citizenship, as well as one part of the property rights. I wish Malic were right. But there is remedy to that…
Serbophobe
January 27th, 2012 at 6:02 am
"Bosnia is still a flashpoint, with its Muslim and Croat communities wanting to join the EU even as they fight each other, while the Serbs want their own freedom first and foremost."
Wrong again. Bosnian Serbs want to join the EU as well. Dodik expressed his support in favour of Bosnia's (including Republika Srpska) accession to the EU. Dodik is a Europhile.
Serbophobe
January 27th, 2012 at 6:05 am
It is funny how Malic in one column appears as a Serb nationalist, while in another he suddenly becomes yugo-nostalgic. What's wrong with you? Do you want another Jasenovac, lol?
antiwar7
January 27th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Massacre young people, who were there against their will, and who were given orders not to shoot back?
I don't care what ethnic group you're part of, or favor: people like you, and they can be found in every ethnic group, su*k.
antiwar7
January 27th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Only a truly evil person would associate Jasenovac with "lol".
MvGuy
January 27th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Serbophobe a Malic-phobe too… What a surprise….
antiwar7
January 27th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Not everyone subscribes to your "leader principle". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip
Dodik is one guy.
antiwar7
January 27th, 2012 at 7:32 am
"Large part of it;" how scientific. BTW, your lack of ability to use articles betrays your origin.
MvGuy
January 27th, 2012 at 7:35 am
*** Wikipedia….. "Jasenovac concentration camp (Croatian, Serbian: Logor Jasenovac; Serbian Cyrillic: Логор Јасеновац. Yiddish: יאסענאוואץ, Hebrew: יסנובץ, sometimes spelled "Yasenovatz") was the largest extermination camp in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) and occupied Yugoslavia during World War II. The camp was established by the Ustaše (Ustasha) regime in August 1941 and dismantled in April 1945. In Jasenovac, the largest number of victims were ethnic Serbs, whom Ante Pavelić considered the main racial opponents of the NDH, alongside the Jews and Roma peoples.[1] "
[Seems like a German Nazi operation to me and the "Yogoslavs were it's victims...???]
MichaelKenny
January 27th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Every two weeks stir the pot! This time, though, with something in it! Crotia's "yes" is a yet another blow to the American Empire and what Empire supporters like Daniel Hannan pretend not to know is that said Empire is collpasing. The "Croat-Slovene", by the way, was a communist dictator and the story about Germany printing Marks was proven a fake long ago. It would be nice if the next article didn't appear until something worth talking about actually happens!
MvGuy
January 27th, 2012 at 9:05 am
ANTIWAR7…..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I owe you my highest esteem for the key to unlock so many things, I don't know where to begin!!! Let's take the "Unitary Executive" concept that the warmonger Neocons and Neocons have been pushing all these years….. FAAAAARRR from an original idea, why its just an Americanization of "Führerprinzip"
Suddenly no more Rule of law WA-LAH Its just more Führerprinzip…………………. You antiwar7 have made my day…!!! WEEK…!!! Month…!!!
How did you stumble on this key of knowledge to the authoritarian mind……????
Thanks forever…. More than sincere, TGW here on MVI…………………………….
MvGuy
January 27th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Stop your sniveling Mr Kenny……………… & citations, Mr. Kinny, We need you to back up your rare assertions…
Germany printing Deutsche Marks, British Foreign Office warns of euro chaos"One who is talking about this is Dr. Pippa Malmgren, a former economic advisor to George W. Bush and a former advisor to Deutsche Bank (DB). According to Malmgren, Germany has already ordered the printing of Deutsche Marks in anticipation of a possible withdrawal from the EU"
http://seekingalpha.com/article/302290-germany-is…
Germany printing Deutsche Marks, British Foreign Office warns of euro chaos
Germany has its printing presses working overtime but they are not printing euros but Deutsche Mark notes in case the eurozone sovereign debt crisis ends in a return to national currencies.
At the same time the British Foreign Office has issued warnings to embassies in the eurozone to prepare to handle the problems of its expatriates who may be unable to access local bank accounts and face rioting mobs.
http://www.arabianmoney.net/us-dollar/2011/11/27/…
Serbophobe
January 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Indeed, Enlish is not my mother tongue.
Serbophobe
January 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Those "young people" came to Slovenia to make war. So what do you expect? It's the psychopathic generals of the dying Yugoslav Army who are to blame for their deaths. Why occupy a country and force people to live in some multinational entity they no longer wish to be part of? Serbs are the imperialists of the Balkans, they want to dominate.
Serbophobe
January 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Serbs were heavily into Führerprinzip in the nineties, with their wretched Milosevic.
Serbophobe
January 27th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I am not hiding my origin. English is not my native tongue.
Serbophobe
January 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
On a second thought, you are right. Croats are the horsegrooms of Vienna. The results of the referedum are a proof to this fact. I hoped for a different result. Damn it!
andy
January 27th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Yugoslavia was a mistake, but joining the EUSSR is no answer. Switzerland would be a better example to imitate. No alliances, no entanglements, no Israeli shakedown, no troops abroad, or foreign troops on your territory, no unaccountable E.U. bureaucrats in Brussells telling you what to do.
Roque Santa Cruz
January 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
one day when the power balance in the new world order shifts away from the US, it's already begun, bastards like serbophobe will get his jasenovac. i hope to live to see that day.
Kathryn
January 27th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
I think each country should be independent and they could be friends and work together. In the US Serbs and Croats were great friends and married. A great man once told me, "Serbs know what they are talking about, the others do not." Shooting, killing and ugly talk will get you know where. Work in peace with one another.
Truthhammer
January 28th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Shaite like serbophobe are the perfect example of a proud croat. A sniveling German-wannabe who laughs at and praises genocide. No wonder the croats made such good servants to their Nazi masters. B
Suvorov
January 28th, 2012 at 2:02 am
What did you expect? What one might refer to as "Croatian national conscience", by definition represents a form of mental illness or at least a severe distortion, for it is obsessed with everything it does not wish to be (Serbian) and everything it dreams of becoming (German/Austrian), instead of focusing on what it actually is (not much, to be fair-if precisely for that reason). Why else would they play Serbian films with subtitles? It must be said that there have been times when Croats all of a sudden discovered a sense of affinity for their Serbian neighbors, and even embraced the idea of Yugoslav brotherhood when threatened with partition in 1918 and 1945.
Suvorov
January 28th, 2012 at 2:17 am
Not only were they given orders not to shoot, but many of them were not even given weapons to do so. That's right: yet another peace-loving Croat Ante Markovic sent unarmed conscripts into Slovenia, whereas the bloody Serb Milosevic ordered them back.
Marko Paprikashovic
January 28th, 2012 at 3:35 am
Just like Iraqi, Pakistani and Afghan resistance fighters are doing to their occupiers.
Serbophobe
January 28th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Hahaha…
Serbophobe
January 28th, 2012 at 7:25 am
"Just like Iraqi, Pakistani and Afghan resistance fighters are doing to their occupiers."
Indeed. The comparison is a valid one.
conumishu
January 28th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Germany succesfully usurped somekind of Holly Roman empire authority and managed to portray itself as the legitimate leader of all western Europe. For a country still under limited sovereignity and one that fuels the globalist EU leviathan with its own blood it is quite a feat. Still, its economic empire functions at most like a condominium between German interests and supranational corporatism. At best (see the concessions they had to make on their own territory when East Germany was absorbed). In fact, in all major issues Germany's politicians eventually tip the balance towards globalist interests.
Nevertheless, the way it somehow compensates the losses on behalf of poor eastern colonies looks even more despicable. No wonder the lesser Croatian cronies mimic the German behaviour.
MvGuy
January 28th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Ah…. Yes….. The break-up…. How to perceive it…. Evil conspiracy by the West to weaken USSR, Russia OR freedom for the captive masses.. Every former Yugo citizen, relative…. and friend must have a story to tell… Must have some deep, strong feelings… Pride, shame….. the feeling of loss, gain or maybe the suffocating feeling that government lies and spin cause us to endure…. It is bad enough when it is us and our neighbors, but when outside actors with vast power project clueless ideas, ideals and solutions upon already beleaguered countries and their people…….It is often these actions that lay seeds for future strife confrontations subversions and conflicts… The Versailles treaty comes to mind…. Where does Dayton really join, divide inspire and undermine national aspirations, pride or advancement…NOW that the E.U. is becoming unwerkable, impotent and bankrupt…? With NATO the Neocons hired gun…??
I feel privileged to be HERE following Nebojsa Malic's narrative obviously from the Serb perspective. I was no fan of Msrs. Milosevic and Karadžić but that was before 911 when I got an education as to the degree of depravity the Anglo Israeli American empire was capable to wreak.. Now I'm not so sure of the "facts" on their face…. Not at all sure about main stream news… "talking heads" …. Now I am absolutely immune to government statements of ANY type from the employment numbers to their policy on healthcare.. I believe the insidious Neocons have taken my country over and subverted every function of what was maybe …once our government………… and robbed us blind too.. Thank You Senator LIEberman & Graham, for hiding all the evidence of America's VAST depravity ……..torture and rape of children…. Thank You for showing me the well dressed face of absolute evil… It's not easy to put a happy face on a million dead because of your Neocon lies, you forgeries and theft…. Thank you for your tour of the bottom of the privy pit of moral depravity… with its gererous portion of mangled children… Hey, if you hide the evidence, then there is nothing to see… Hey, it never happened
Sept. 10 2001Rumsfeld tells us $$2,4OO,OOO,OOO,OOO.OO missing over at the Pentagon……… And, what luck, the next day, some crazy Arab makes a 270 degree turn at 512 Mph. and crashes precisely into where the records are stored..(If you believe the "official" story)….. Let me say NOW I would never take my governments story of what Serbia was accused of doing as readily as I did back when NATO was on the warpath in Yugoslavia….
So here I am to learn from Nebojsa Malic and from you posters too the truths of what happened…. To set the record straight in my own mind…. As I learn to live the "new" American Führerprinzip …..
MvGuy
January 28th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Stop…!!
MvGuy
January 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am
conumishu has given a lot of intelligent thought to these issues…. His comment stream make interesting, educational reading….. Thank You conumishu …!!!
Bianca
January 28th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
You are clearly clueless, and have no idea of what happened in the Balkans. Your presumed Serbophobic act makes no sense. A TRUE Serbophobe from Balkans ("nase gore list") would make very different arguments. Thus, it is hard to figure out what wares are you peddling. Balkans you do not understand, facts you do not have, and your arguments are generic — they could be used by anyone trying to overthrow any Government by force. One can just change the names for some other part of the world's troubled surface, and your generic brand argumentation would fit in just fine But anyone who knows the chemistry of Balkan conflicts can easily spot your absence of knowledge.
Bianca
January 28th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Give some facts to back this up!
Suvorov
January 28th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Indeed, it is true that large sums went into maintaining the lavish lifestyle of the Croat-Slovene dictator Josip Broz and his compatriot cohorts of apparatchiks.
Suvorov
January 28th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Don't worry, not only will they not hesitate to switch yet again to the stronger side, but they will claim that they have stood against the evil NWO all along and blame Serbs for playing a central role in it (but only after allowing those wicked Serbies to rescue them once more). Damn those Serb NWO reactionaries!
Suvorov
January 28th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
I think your suspicions about 9/11 are justified.
antiwar7
January 28th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
No one fought for Milosevic. Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and Kosovo-Metohija truly felt threatened by the nationalistic secessionary regimes.
antiwar7
January 28th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Thanks, MvGuy! Your comment made my day. I don't know where I first heard about it (perhaps from one of Justin's articles on the unitary executive). You're right—it does provide a key to the fascist mindset, including here and now.
ToivoS
January 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Yes serbophobe, we all know that 200,000 Croatian fascists escaped to the US at the close of WWII. Yes and we all know that you settled in a few congressional districts in Illinois and Michigan and created a lobby that opposed those Yugoslav partisans that were allied with US during WWII.
It is nice to hear that your ethnic hatred and fascism has not lessened in the last 60 years.
Rad
January 28th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Thank you so much – you said it all.
Honza
January 29th, 2012 at 6:46 am
In the light of the discussion here, the title of the article could be now deciphered: "Return to the Fold" = "Return to the Führerprinzip." In the similar vein, "Resurrecting the Hapsburgs" also calls a correction. Furthermore, given the mass support for the Führerprinzip, where is any countervailing force of humanity? Or will humanity end up like those Serb peasants rounded up by the Croat fascists on the way to Jasenovac?
antiwar7
January 29th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Every ethnic group has good and bad people in it (and individuals themselves aren't always good or bad). Look at Dennis Kucinich: he's an ethnic Croat federal politician in the US, and he very publicly spoke against bombing the Serbs in Yugoslavia. The current president of Croatia, Ivo Josipovic, seems to be not anti-Serbian. He took a lot of heat for making a visit to honor Serbian victims of Croatian forces in the recent wars. And he's reportedly the most popular politician in Croatia in recent years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Josipovi%C4%87 .
So let's keep hoping for and encouraging the best from all people. I say this as someone who's grandfather was murdered by Croatian fascists during WW II, and who lost a great grandparent in a concentration camp there.
Serbophobe
January 29th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Serbia has plenty of its own "NATO chetniks", Draskovic-style… Draskovic is an extreme example of this kind of approach to politics, but this variety of political philosophy has gained upper hand in Serbia these days. You can't deny that. Tadic is on such positions, as well as the main parties of the opposition (such as SNS, which is likely to win the next elections). They have support from the majority of the population, judging the results of various elections. So, yes, they are the Serb variety of NWO reactionaries. You meant it ironically, but you actually described the situation pretty accurately. These are the facts…
Suvorov
January 29th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Thank you for proving my point. The only thing I didn't quite predict was that Croats would start blaming Serbs for the NWO even before its collapse, but never underestimate the Croats! When circumstances require, they will set out to prove that water is dry, Serbs are pro-NATO, and Croats have moral integrity. Well, clearly NATO is no less popular among Serbs than Wehrmacht was among Jews. The next time I hear of an Afghan wedding attacked by a predator drone, I will know whom to blame. Now tell us about the Red Army Ustase. I am looking forward to the next set of "Croatian facts".
Suvorov
January 29th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I understand and respect your tolerant position and I am very sorry for the losses in your family during the war. I have to point out, however, that Dennis Kucinich was not raised in Croatia, and therefore was not indoctrinated in their typical fashion. I believe he comes from the pre-Ustasa immigration wave. As to Josipovic, whereas he is certainly no Franjo Tudjman, he still accepts the narrative that Serbs started all the wars and are essentially to blame for everything.
Karl
January 30th, 2012 at 3:48 am
On the other hand you never visited Croatia so actually you don't know what you are talking about.
Serbophobe
January 30th, 2012 at 3:58 am
"As to Josipovic, whereas he is certainly no Franjo Tudjman, he still accepts the narrative that Serbs started all the wars and are essentially to blame for everything."
In fact. Suvi understands things better. Besides, Josipovic is pro-Western, he condemns any nationalism, be it Croatian or Serbian or any other. He supports the independence of Kosovo and wants to see the day when all countries of the "Western Balkans" (former Yugoslavia) join the euroatlantin integrations, where they will live happily ever after, in new international brotherhood and prosperity. Under the American umbrella, of course. This is the left-wing Croatia that pays lip service to the political correctness, by condemning "Croatian war crimes" and Croatian nationalism, but advocates all the above-mentioned things. Which means that no self-respecting Serb patriot could feel comfortable in Josipovic's company, provided that he is acquainted with what this man stands for.
Serbophobe
January 30th, 2012 at 4:21 am
Suvi, you are living in a fantasy world. If you really wanted to change the situation in Serbia, you would have first to recognize the facts as they are. You know, there is a method to everything: first comes the diagnosis, then the cure is proposed. Tadic and Nikolic both advocate the Western integrations. Which doesn't include NATO (Draskovic, the "NATO chetnik", is practically alone in openly advocating NATO), but does include EU. Most people in Serbia dislike NATO (for obvious reasons), but they don't dislike it that much, so as to shun integration into the European Union. And EU and NATO are very much tied together. Most people in Serbia want "better life in united Europe" and similar jazz, which makes them not so different from the rest of Eastern Europe, eager to join the consumer paradise. Serbia is not inhabited by "Suvorovs" and I think you know it well, but you are just playing dumb here. The only party in Serbia standing these days on somewhat "Suvorovian" positions is the Radical Party, but is is being increasingly marginalized. We'll see the results of the forthcoming elections, but big surprises are unlikely to happen.
Suvorov
January 30th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
It may be true that my personal contact with Croatia is limited to having taken a dump while flying over it. However, when I see a village idiot who couldn't sing to save a life gather a crowd of 60,000 of his grotesque fellows who chant, "Srbe na vrbe" and "Ubi srbina", I feel perfectly content to maintain a sanitary (no pun intended) distance from such a place.
Suvorov
January 30th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
"Tadic and Nikolic both advocate the Western integrations. Which doesn't include NATO (Draskovic, the "NATO chetnik", is practically alone in openly advocating NATO), but does include EU. Most people in Serbia dislike NATO (for obvious reasons)"
All right, so much for your "NATO Chetnik" concoction. It is highly probable that the current Serbian leadership secretly adores NATO , but that has nothing to do with either Chetniks or the Serbian people. Let me put it this way: Vuk Draskovic is certainly no more popular in Serbia than Marko Perkovic Thompson is in Croatia.
"And EU and NATO are very much tied together".
That may be, but, as despicable as it is, the EU hasn't dropped cassette bombs on civilians after all.
Btw, you know full well that Serbia never voted for the current ruling coalition, so it is not I who is playing dumb here.
"Serbia is not inhabited by "Suvorovs""
Well, at least it's not populated by "Thompsons".
"The only party in Serbia standing these days on somewhat "Suvorovian" positions is the Radical Party"
Yes, the Radical Party is advocating these positions while Nikolic is secretly selling out to the Western ruling class.
"We'll see the results of the forthcoming elections, but big surprises are unlikely to happen. "
For some reason I am not any more inclined to trust the elections in present Serbia than I was to trust the elections in 2000 and 2004 in USA, or the current primaries for that matter. In actuality, as more and more people are awakening to Tadic's real nature and starting to see his uselessness, he and his accomplices will have to rely on increasingly undemocratic means in order to retain power. He will have to become something of a Saakashvili figure.
Suvorov
January 30th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Yes, you are confirming my statement.
"This is the left-wing Croatia that pays lip service to the political correctness, by condemning "Croatian war crimes" and Croatian nationalism, but advocates all the above-mentioned things".
Precisely, "lip service" is what it is. Therefore, if even someone who is meant to be left-wing merely pays lip service to civility instead of fully acknowledging the instigators of the war and the scale of the largest ethnic cleansing operation since WWII, that describes the Croatian political landscape rather well.
"Which means that no self-respecting Serb patriot could feel comfortable in Josipovic's company"
True, but that hasn't prevented the mayor of Belgrade from appearing in the same Croatian TV program with him, blaming the "Serbo-Communist Nationalism" for everything. Which, once again, has nothing to do with either Chetniks or the Serbian people.
Chris
January 30th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Invalid comparison.
Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are not part of the US.
Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia.
Wolfgang9
February 1st, 2012 at 1:30 am
The writer if this clumn obviously belongs to a small group of extremists and practices lots of hate speech. I don't think his writings would even make a majority of todays Serbian people happy.
W9
Putka
February 1st, 2012 at 8:00 am
18 year old kids carrying bread in an old JNA helicopetr were murdered -shame on you scumbag slovenes -czech speaking gypsies.
Suvorov
February 1st, 2012 at 10:18 pm
What is considered hate speech in Germany is regarded as free speech in the United States. Could you cite a specific example of hate from the article above?
tru
February 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
"Those "young people" came to Slovenia to make war. So what do you expect?"
-they were actually serving their legally-bound military obligations and stationed there on order, the young JNA recruits' lack of live munition tell us all we need to know about their intent "to make war."
It's the psychopathic generals of the dying Yugoslav Army who are to blame for their deaths.
- "wouldn't those who actually committed the murders be guilty?"
Why occupy a country and force people to live in some multinational entity they no longer wish to be part of?
- perhaps if you would be so kind as to show us a map depicting "Slovenia" as a sovereign nation at any time in recorded history your argument would be backed with logic?
Serbs are the imperialists of the Balkans, they want to dominate.
- imperialists, by definition, are foreign powers…you could perhaps say that Serbia seeks to become the regional hegemon of the Balkans? the only real and consistent imperialist presence in the Balkans over the last millenium-and-then-some has been the Hapsburg Dynasty…by comparison, even the Ottoman Empire was small potatoes, as I believe the author's omission implicitly alludes to.