Had it happened later in the year, the wave of revolts that have so far toppled the regimes in Tunisia and Egypt, and currently threatens the rulers of Bahrain and Libya, would have been called the "Arab Spring." As it is, perhaps one should borrow the term from a recent op-ed in the Hindustan Times and call it a "sandstorm." Certainly it shares several characteristics with the weather phenomenon: it began suddenly, has moved in unexpected directions, and no reliable forecast can be made of when it might end.
Balkan Connections
There have been several Balkans connections to the unrest in North Africa and Arabia. One Maltese blog reported that the regime of Libya’s Colonel Gadhafi has used Serbian mercenaries, and the rumor was picked up far and wide. Official Belgrade has denied any involvement, and no corroborating information has emerged for the original story.
It has been confirmed, however, that some Egyptian activists of the "April 6" movement attended seminars organized by a subversive group the Empire established in Serbia in 1999. Following the success of their October 2000 coup in Belgrade, some of the Empire-trained activists of "Otpor" set up a training center called CANVAS, where Egyptian and other activists have been trained since. "Otpor" was originally set up and funded by the National Endowment for Democracy. To say that the Egyptian revolution "came from Serbia" (Svenska Dagbladet) might be somewhat hyperbolic, though. CANVAS may be located in Serbia, but it produces and exports an Imperial product.
That product, however, has come to be seen in much of the world with widespread skepticism, bordering on paranoia. As Eric Walberg noted, writing for Cairo’s Al-Ahram Weekly, all the "colored" revolutions engineered by NED have been "a bitter disappointment, and along with Serbia, clearly manipulated by the US to serve its geopolitical ends."
Therein lies the chief argument against the theory that the "sandstorm" was somehow engineered in Washington. Three out of four governments affected by the revolt were loyal US clients: Egypt, Tunisia, and Bahrain. Basically, the Empire has just suffered a major setback in North Africa and Arabia.
On the other hand, while Tunisian and Egyptian revolutionaries have managed to oust their dictatorial presidents, they haven’t achieved much else. Egypt is administered by the military, while Tunisia is run by a shaky caretaker government. Bahrain, a major US base in the Gulf, was a site of bloody repression against the protesters before the outright civil war in Libya nudged it from the spotlight; tensions in the country persist, though the government has since agreed to negotiate.
Coveting Cyrenaica
And then there is Libya. Ruled since a 1969 coup by Colonel Muammar el-Gadhafi, the "Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya" has North Africa’s largest reserves of oil. Protests that started in the eastern city of Benghazi on February 16 met with a violent government reaction.
Since then, news from Libya has been contradictory and confusing. Gadhafi claims his enemies are "al-Qaeda" and Imperial lackeys, and that his military isn’t killing civilians. The rebels accuse the government of widespread atrocities, while alternately pleading for Imperial intervention and rejecting it.
By just about any rational standard, invading Libya is a horrible idea. Claims of atrocities perpetrated by Gadhafi’s forces sound a little too much like the atrocity porn concocted to justify interventions in the Balkans. Even if they are all true, the rebels seem more than capable of handling it.
Brendan O’Neill has derided the advocates of intervention as "iPad imperialists" and warned of the dangers of faux "ethical" foreign policy, that is actually anything but. His position is worth noting because he has been a consistent critic of Imperial meddling in the Balkans, and the way the creeping intervention in Libya is shaping up bears uncanny similarities to how events unfolded in Bosnia.
The Deliberate Slippery Slope
It is simply not true that the U.S. and European governments stood by and did nothing while the war raged on in Bosnia, from 1992 to 1995. Their involvement, however, was governed by two principal considerations. First and foremost, their populations were unwilling to support an open war; the Cold War had just ended, as had Desert Storm, and the West was in an economic recession. Any intervention had to be sold to the general public, both as a moral imperative and as a low-to-no-cost option. Secondly, one of the parties in the conflict built its strategy around enlisting the West in its war effort. Washington refused to engage in open warfare until it could do so on its own terms.
The outcome of both considerations was a "slippery slope" of involvement, one step at a time. First the humanitarian aid flights started coming in. Then a "no-fly zone" was set up to protect them — and naturally, NATO was invited in as the only military alliance with the capability. Then ground convoys started, which required protection by the UN troops — which, in turn, required protection by more troops, until a NATO "rapid reaction force" was in place. Once the "safe areas" were established, the UN didn’t have enough troops on the ground, so the NATO aircraft patrolling the no-fly zone were diverted to "assist." After a while, they no longer needed UN authorization for ground strikes. At that point, in mid-1995, it was simple enough for NATO troops to openly join the conflict.
Reprise
Was this method of getting involved sneaky? Absolutely. However, the nascent Empire was able to claim Bosnia as a brilliant success, because the cease fire had held to become a lasting (if troubled) peace and no NATO peacekeepers lost their lives.
It looked like the Bosnian gambit might be exposed in the spring of 1999, when NATO used them to justify the attack on Serbia and the occupation of Kosovo. Once again, lack of major casualties allowed the media to spin what was objectively a disaster into a famous victory.
Today, the protracted fiascos of Iraq and Afghanistan have managed to sour the American populace on war, and the economic crisis significantly narrowed Empire’s options for a major military engagement. And that is where partisan politics come in.
The responsibility for Iraq and Afghanistan has been laid at the feet of Bush the Lesser, where it rightly belongs. Because Republicans have spearheaded those adventures, they’d lost much in the way of credibility to criticize the Obama regime — essentially a Clinton White House redux – for continuing the wars, or embarking on new ones. Nor do they dare respond when the new/old foreign policymakers hold up Bosnia and Kosovo as examples of the "good wars," and push to meddle in places like Libya based on those precedents.
The latest news from Libya is that US and UK "humanitarian" teams are already on the ground. Washington is pushing for a no-fly zone, even though that is a de facto declaration of war. To bomb Libya in the cause of preventing the bombing of Libyans is both logical and political nonsense. Intervening is the surefire way to poison the well of Arab democracy and make the rise of militant Islam a self-fulfilling prophecy. All of which suggests that it is precisely what the Empire is going to do.
Read more by Nebojsa Malic
- The Serbian Job – May 18th, 2012
- Tyranny of Good Intentions – May 3rd, 2012
- Between Hope and Despair – April 20th, 2012
- Hunger Games – March 29th, 2012
- Reality Rift – March 9th, 2012






Nigel
March 4th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
I'm shocked, shocked to find that Malic is proffessing that Serbs have been victimised.
Beckovsky
March 4th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
You are being too charitable. Most Arabs were enthusiastic cheerleaders for bombing Serbia in the 90's. Maybe they can see how "humanitarian" bombing feels. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
West is clearly not behind the upheaval, although it must be tempting to try to achieve some small advantages as part of the unfolding mess. Basically after generations of disfunctional and often irrational living, the sh…it has hit the fan in the Middle East. And the West has decided to keep the fan running. They really didn't have much of a choice, but when you look at Hillary, she looks pained and distracted. This is not what they wanted.
mickperry
March 5th, 2011 at 2:46 am
Grim reading, and the authors conclusion is all too plausible. The Achilles heel of any remaining Western moral pretence is Gaza, where there was never any consideration of creating a no fly zone to halt the slaughter. The Muslim world is acutely aware of the hypocrisy. http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_co…
mickperry
March 5th, 2011 at 2:49 am
Skulduggery in Libya http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va…
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 5th, 2011 at 7:43 am
No, I've grown up with 'Arabs' and they weren't happy. They are good people, with a sense for honour and justice. Need I say more to make you disbelieve what CNN propagated?
possum
March 5th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Every self-respecting Serb rooted for the Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery and against the USAF in the day, and I imagine every Iraqi worth his salt rooted for the Serbian AAA.
james
March 5th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Do not waste your breath Vojkan, as you said, these people suckle from the MSM teats and they will never be weaned.
james
March 5th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
When you speak truth here they give you the thump down.
andy
March 5th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
We should have minded our own business in the Balkans. And we should be minding our own business now in north Africa.
MvGuy
March 5th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Thank You mickperry for turning the lights on..!! Wow…What a difference a paragraph can make…
In fact I feel like a fool for my neutral stance Re: Gadaffi….. I remember in the past, the Neocons pointing to the capitulation of Libya as one of the benefits of their attack on Iraq… I had assumed that Gadaffi came in from the cold because he was afraid of his sons meeting the same imperially arranged fate as……. "We have no doubt that we have the bodies of Uday and Qusay…………" General Sanchez told reporters at a briefing in Baghdad. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3091151.st… To me it seemed around that time he struck the deal with the UN-pire…… Thanks again mick….. You sure are on top of things…
MvGuy
March 5th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
I too have noticed this james…
bozh
March 5th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Malic:
"Today, the protracted fiascos of Iraq and Afghanistan have managed to sour the American populace on war, and the economic crisis significantly narrowed Empire’s options for a major military engagement".
i have another explanation for nato-us invasion, warfare, occupation of iraq, palestina, and afgh'n. to me the invasions of these three areas; of which one is a land and the other two evil but also highly dysfunctional empires.
to me, all three aggression appear brilliant successes! how about loss of a few thousand soldiers?
well, u'v heard from cheney who said, speaking on behalf u.s. supremacists [fascists , if u prefer that] they are paid to do that.
in short, to u.s. personal supremacists, boys of miners, fishers, tillers are just meat for wars or fro supremacistic dream to end last traces of justice and egalitarianism.
and it is not just u.s. fascists who want to win in afgh'n, iraq, palestina but ?all world's facists as well.
thus, i expect, pashtuns wld be beaten; it is just a matter of world fascists opting for more severe warfare and wilingness to use wmd.
caveat about palestina! it is gone already! thanks for ur L, R, and deaf Ear
bozh
March 5th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
i forgot to say that just in '08, 99% of americans have voted for all those wars. ok! ending wars was not on the table. precisely my point; i.e. referendum for ending wars is not allowed; thus, americans voted for that, too.
as to why-how americans are conditioned to act against own interest and not to end wars, i have pointed out to pavlov's experiment with the dog.
the methodoly of conditioning an animal or person is exactly the same! tnx
bozh
March 5th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
if my memory serves me, serbia's war against bosnia in '92 was over in less than a yr. most people on the right and ?all people on the left condemned defenders more than attackers.
hatred by the Left and the Right had been much greater than for bosnia.
and serbia greatly capitalized on it!
nato and u.s. was not involved in the war in bosnia until early '94. but not against serbs, but in order to make peace between sons of ustashe and/or croatia on one side and bosniaks on the other; thus, saving tudjman ass and staving off a revolt against him.
too many croats were too unhappy about croatian aggression against bosniaks.
serbs, having brilliantly succeeded got to greedy. They wanted more. and that did them in. bombing civilians in sarajevo sickened many people.
and, i guess, by end of '94, nato-u.s. made a volte face. tnx
eric siverson
March 5th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Serbia never had a war with anybody . They tried to stop a succesion of Kosovo which was part of Serbia . This is why Babic from Croatia was so mad at Milosevic . The wars were between the Serbs and the Croats that lived in Croatia . And between The Bosnian Muslims and Croats that lived in Bosnia against the Serbs that lived in Bosnia . Serbia sent aid to the Serbs that lived in these two areas , but really never sent the official Serbian army . The largest and the most powerfull ethnic groupe in Yugoslavia was the Serbs , but they were removed from half thier country . This would not have been likely to happend if NATO and the United States had kept out of this conflict . The Serbs ended up owning less land than they started with . The farmers usually own more land than the city people . But the United States media would report the Serbs were 38 % of the people and control 70 % of the land . Just does not sound fair does it . I did not side with the United States and NATO in Yugoslavia , I did not side with Germany in any of thier 3 attacks against Yugoslavia in the last century either .
eric siverson
March 5th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Yes Bozh I think you are right although I think your 99 % maybe way to high . But what would you expect with mainstream lying propaganda machinary when we have let them takeover our information service .
Now with Antiwar , the World Net daily , Al jeerise , And the internet taking us all over the world , Its not so easy to feed us a steady stream of lies . Or at least we can choose the liars we wish to believe .
eric siverson
March 5th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
There really was no Sebrenica massacre either .Mladic just let his troops execute about 500 to a 1000 muslim criminals without trails , becuase they had murdered about 2500 Serb civilans in the area . The muslims just added all bodies from anybody that had died in a attempt to reach the magic 5000 victims bill Clinton had asked for before the United States could use the US airforce to bomb the christians . NON the less this is a war crime and no doubt a lot of innocent muslims were executed .
MichaelKenny
March 6th, 2011 at 6:16 am
Whoever wrote this article is not the same person who has been writing recent articles under the "Nebojsa Malic" name! The style and tone are totally different. What is clear is that the Israel Lobby is now more frightened of a US intervention in Libya (a third unwinnable war like Iraq and Afghanistan!) that of what might emerge from the Arab revolt. In practice, I don't think that the idea of an intervention was ever more than a hypothesis envisaged but ruled out as unworkable. Europe's main concern, for example, is to stem the flow of refugees and creating Somalia-style anarchy would work in exactly the opposite direction. I suspect that what is going on is a game of diplomatic poker. Gadhafi Duck, and even more so his hypernasty children, are negotiating to try to keep as much as possible of their vast wealth when they leave by selling their "nuisance value".
Roque Santa Cruz
March 6th, 2011 at 6:41 am
no one is going to tell that the us and britain are not working to install a replcement puppet for kadhafi. No one ever will tell me ottherwise as history as shown that they have done this at evevry opportunity they had.
bozh
March 6th, 2011 at 9:05 am
eric,
only about 1 or perhaps 2% of all the ballots cast in '08 went to a second or third party. nader got less than one%. i don't know if he at that time led a party or a movement.
the other 98% of ballots was a yes vote for the governance and one party-in-spirit.
yes, all the education, much of advertising, all of the MSM, much of basic schooling, all of the 'law' making-governance-interpretation of both the governance [system of rule] constitution-'laws' is in the hands of the top u.s. class; comprising, say, one% of u.s. pop.
it had always been thus and in every asian and european land i know of. america is neither a specialty nor novelty regarding structure of society and system of rule.
recall please but one fact: meanings are not in words, meanings are in people. thus, it is not the bible, constitution, any 'law' that means anything. it is those who interpret such writs who mean to do this or that.
generally speaking, it is always the interpretation of those who have military-econo-politico-governmental power which most people accept as valid.
more cld be said. tnx
bozh
March 6th, 2011 at 9:34 am
eric,
according by the forensic examination, at least, 8,300 srebrenica citizens [males over the age of 16] were slaughtered by bosnian serbs.
these, whatever their crimes against serb civilians, have not laid siege or bombarded any serb city in serbia.
and whatever their crimes, bosnia did not attack serbia or even bosnian in serbs. in view of these facts, crimes of a defender cannot be equated with crimes of an attacker.
if china wld have been invaded japan, it wld have, most likely, commited crimes against japanese.
may be crimes far in excess of the japanese crimes against chinese.
and i think that most people wld have said thereafter: ok, that’s it. the issue is closed.
wld even Jews be morally correct if they cld slay, say, 30-40 mn germans? well, right now they are busy milking it to even think about it!
caveat! i am against collective punishment of iraqis, palestinians, pashtuns, et al, regardless of what those who control army-constitution-spies-economy have done.
thus, i hold at least 97% of americans innocent even of nuking japan! tnx for ur R Ear
(Edited due to Anti-semitic overtones.)
bozh
March 6th, 2011 at 9:49 am
yes, be certain that world supremacists [fascists if u like] wld not ever allow an egalitarian society to rise anywhere and not just in arab lands.
a pantisocratic rule [allowing participation in civic affairs of all those who want run them] anywhere; in oil-extracting lands a fortiori so, is what world fascists fear more than anything else.
thus, if blood-letting is the only way to stop it before it takes a firm hold, it will be then just that!
dogged well-led massive-passive resistance offers the best chance to evince some desirable changes.
in u.s, such a resistance- led by an antipodal political party to the one that now represents mostly the u.s. top layer of society- wld work, i hope. tnx
bozh
March 6th, 2011 at 10:15 am
i still don't understand why milosevic had been deposed and then sent to the hague. i say this, having in view that possibly thousands upon thousand of leading serbs and all serb officer cadre, had for yrs [or dating back to 1800 for croatia and bosnia] called for wars against slovenia, croatia, bosnia, and kosovo.
stripping kosovars of selfrule in '89 and instituting a policerule there, constitutes, imo, a casus belli.
for, kosovo, milosevic and leading serbs never lost; never having it in first place–save via a conquest.
was he, thus, sacrificed to the altar of serbianism?
or because serb leadership failed to achieve in croatia, bosnia, and kosovo what it hoped to achieve: gathering all serbs in one expanded country. tnx
eric siverson
March 6th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
History has also shown they are involved in almost evrey revolution also . So the U.S. goverenment should really not act so suprised at what happending the Middle East right now either .
MvGuy
March 6th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
SO as bohz would sho……all roads lead to the Balkans…??
starr
March 6th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
From reading your rants I have to ask why you can believe Kosovo belongs to Albanian even though they only reached a majority in that area in the 1940's and 50's, yet parts of Bosnia and Croatia (eg Krajina) where Serbs were the majority for 600+ years don't belong to Serbs? Is it because you think Serbs arn't allowed to have property rights, I sure people like you would prefer they all just get pack up and move to some uninhabited islands in the Pacific, that way facts wouldn't keep getting in the way of your rants
bozh
March 6th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
so, my posts are rants?? to every serb as well! glad u think so.
i don't believe kosovo belongs to kosovars- – i know it belongs to them, because albanians there constitute 90% of kosovo pop.
in add'n, their habitat is not interspersed with serb towns and villages.
serbs live thruout croatia. there is no geographic area called "krajina". areas bordering ottoman bosnia were called vojna krajina. it was changing for at least two centuries.
serbs and wallachs were invited to settle border areas in order to fight ottomans.
wallachs and serbs were not promised a country of their own in this areas.
and serbs and wallachs came to croatia early16th c. knowing that.
late 18th c., there were about 330 k serbs, 90k wallachs, 70k germans, 320k croats, and 40 k magyars serving as soldiers in vojna krajina.
serb villages [and some towns] were interspersed with croat'n villages. to make serb area touching, serbia and croat'n serbs had expelled many croats; while killing some!
even so, the two slavonian enclaves were cut off from main part of the new serb republic.
some of the towns captured by serb army in an easy war in '91 had croatian majority; others had a serb majority.
neither bosnia nor croatia cld be dismembered humanely. bosnian problem cld have been solved politically. however, seems to me that serbs, bosniaks, and croats rejected that apriori.
croatia was not interested in political exchange of pop in order for serbs to have three serbias.
the best croatian serbs cld have expected from croatia wld have been to accept an autonomy which also u.n. accepts as legally valid.
it seems that serbia, by end of '94, wld have been happy with that solution. however, serbs in croatia, who vowed they wld never again live in croatia, wanted only total independence.
this was an ideal solution for croatia. if chetniks remained in croatia, serbia cld always use them against croatia. tnx
starr
March 7th, 2011 at 12:35 am
By the definition of a rant; yes most of them are. I don't think one has to be a Serb to have that opinion, I'm not. Your reasoning is curious, Albanian do constitue 90% (probably more) of the population of Kosovo now, but this is only a fact of the last 10-20 years. Does this mean if Kosovo became 90% Serbian population in the next 20 years you would consider it Serbian?
I find it funny you say there is no geographic area called Krajina, yet then go on to talk about Vojna Krajina. Was my omission of the word Vojna confusing? As far as the area changing, well all borders have done so and pre WW2 frequently so how does that disqualify something from being a geographic area, if that was the case then you could say there is no such geographic area as Croatia since its border has changed many times in the last 200 years. Well by your reasoning anyway.
starr
March 7th, 2011 at 12:35 am
You also seem to imply that Croatian Serbs shouldn't a seperate country because they were never promised one when settlling there, their areas of majority where not continuous and they expelled Croats and killed some as the reasons they shouldn't have more than autonomy within Croatia. Yet until recently Albanian areas of Kosovo were never continuous, no one ever promised them their own county either and they have definately expelled Serbs and killed some, yet by your opinion they deserve their own country.
Hmmm so really your arguement is not based on any logic or reasoning but is a rant against your targeted group, which is in this case the Serbs. But thank you for taking the time to reply it helped me confirm what i already suspected
Nebojsa Malic
March 7th, 2011 at 12:54 am
Between "Michael Kenny" accusing Antiwar.com of being an agent of the Israel Lobby and claiming I don't exist, and the atrocities "bozh" commits both against logic and against the English language, these comments are a source of great amusement to me. I do feel bad for the poor editors whose thankless job is to moderate them, though.
Analyst
March 7th, 2011 at 6:59 am
Kosovo, Krajina, Transylvania, Silesia etc. One could spend hours and hours, weeks and weeks, trying to argue that these territories, supposedly, according to some universally valid principles of justice, should belong to either Serbia or Albania, Croatia or Serbia, Hungary or Romania, Germany or Poland etc. But in the end all of it boils down to one basic principle: the land belongs to those who conquer it and manage to hold it. So those territories of Croatia, formerly inhabited by Serbs, are these days Croatian, simply because Croatia controls them and they are internationally recognized as Croatian. The same goes for the Serb Republic in Bosnia, which is also internationally recoognized as Serb, after Serbs conquered it and expelled Bosnian Muslims (about half of the pre-war population). Ditto for all other cases.
So what's the big deal? What's this whole chest-beating and complaining about? People from the Balkans remind me of some bunch of sissies, always complaining about past wrongs, trying to prove that their people are 100% right (while the other side is 100% wrong), or to prove that some territory rightfully belongs to them and not to some other ethnic group which presently owns it (unlawfully, according to their opinion), or that they (unlike others) have been eternally and mercilessly victimized etc. Whenever some topic concerning Balkans pops up, anywhere in the internet, immediately there comes an entire stream of commentators, mostly very loquacious, on the verge of hysteria, who try to spill something like 3000 years of history proving that their nation is the best, the noblest, but at the same time one that was unjustly victimized by others. You are all such a pitiful sight. Your "history" and "identity" is so tiresome. It's probably because of your constant looking backwards that you all have such a trouble catching up with the modern world and joining EU.
If USA had some legitimate interest in Kosovo, Georgia, Ukraine or any other territory, and that was the reason for the engagement in those areas, so what? Why shouldn't USA pursue their own interest? Why would the American interest be less legitimate than, say, Russian, Serbian, Turkish, German or any other interest?
bozh
March 7th, 2011 at 8:06 am
analyst,
i do not honor acquisition of land by conquest, regardless what the reasons are given for it. to hold onto conquered lands or regions, one needs causative factors for keeping what was conquered in previous wars.
a probable or imminent war against a conquering land or empire wld justify, imo, holding onto conquered land.
i do not think that u.n. or nato/u.s. wld ever allow an independent country in bosnia.
regarding supremacistic thinking in the balkans, i note that some croats and some serbs do glory too much in their past 'glories', or dwell too much on past grievances; spread halftruths, lies, etc.
but no people do more of it than americans.
i do not think that bosnia wld be dismembered. right now, de facto and in some degree, it seems to be.
however, i do not expect that new generations of serbs in serbia and bosnia wld go on fighting just to prove that chetniks were right.
one sign that some serbs want to give up on wars is the fact that they, led by tadic, want to join nato and europe.
this wld put end to chetnik [imperialist] aspirations and greed for other people's land– always with reasons or as u.s. wld say: "for self interest".
this analyses is also valid for ustasha's aspiration.
the two beasts: chetniks and ustashas wld be no more.
so, please, don't think of balkan peoples or judge the situation in the balkans by what serbs on this site say.
there is lots of nice serbs and croats! tnx for ur Right Ear! also spricht bozhidarevski.
bozh
March 7th, 2011 at 8:31 am
"By the definition of a rant; yes most of them are." u mean to say that by ur definition most of my posts are rants. ok! that's ur opinion and u have a right to it and to own it forever if u like.
but i am sure u'd change ur mind about such a view.
about the word "vojna". it means "military". thus the proper english label for regions in question wld be military frontier; kind of a wild-wild west.
i do not know how u came to a conclusion that kosovo became predominantly albanian only 20 yrs
ago.
if in ten yrs serbs wld constitute a majority in kosovo and inhabit it all over, then it wld be serb; provided there was no prior oppression, terror, or war to oust albanians from it. tnx
possum
March 7th, 2011 at 11:06 am
At least we have a history. Yank. No fantasy nations named for greaseball sailors in the Balkans.
J. Milojevich
March 7th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Actually, this statement is not true. The forensic report on Srebrenica proved, for the most part, that what Eric said is closer to the truth. What the ICTY has been using more recently to convict certain Serbs of killing "8,000 men and boys", and to carry on its propaganda campaign against Serbia, has been a DNA examination. DNA testing (obviously) cannot prove how or where a person was killed, it can only be used to identify the deceased. This is exactly why the ICTY is using it, because it allows them to test bodies from (as Eric stated) Muslims who died from different parts of Bosnia and use them to reach their magic number of "8000".
What is even worse is that the ICTY will not let the defense examine this DNA report. It was prohibited in order to "protect" the loved ones of the victims, who donated samples for the testing, from further mental anguish and suffering. Basically, the ICTY is saying that "these people have been through enough already, we don't want to subject them to anymore suffering. And anybody who wants to examine the DNA evidence can forget about it!" Now, do you think any court of law in the US could get away with something like this? It is absolutely ludicrous!
eric siverson
March 7th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
What possible legitimate interest could the United States have in helping former nazis , real nazis drug dealers ,criminals, and terrorist muslims dismember the country of Yugoslavia against wishes of the largest majority of its people . Also our most faithfull allie in two world wars .
starr
March 7th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Q:"i do not know how u came to a conclusion that kosovo became predominantly albanian only 20 yrs ago"
A:historical records
Analyst
March 8th, 2011 at 4:47 am
Some strategic interest. I don't see why our strategic interest should be less legitimate than some, say, Serb interest. And why some past grievances of anyone or some alliances from the past should matter. Various peoples of the Balkans think that world or the west "owe" them something. That's extremely ridiculous. They remind me of the eternally whining "minorities" over here in the US.
possum
March 8th, 2011 at 5:13 am
That is rich. You’ve been whining about the Balkanites in every one of your comments now, dipsh*t. In fact the whole US intervention was built upon hysterical, moralizing whining about the uncivilized Balkanites stuck in the past, perpetrating horrors and in urgent need of some guidance from the holier-than-thou Uncle Sam.
(Edited for profanity.)
Analyst
March 8th, 2011 at 5:28 am
This is how the west sees you, Serbs, Albanians and all others:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0dNob5mVz0
"Croatia, Albania, somewhere near Romania
It's Euro and NATO, why the hell do we go
Pristina, blew up huh, head for Macedonia
I'll race ya
Somewhere far overseas
There's a place called Kosovo
That's where you don't wanna go if you're Albanian and all
Protecting human rights
Air strikes and fire fights
And we'll be dropping our bombs
Wherever Serbian bad guys hide
Just up from Kosovo
Somalia, Grenada, or rescuing Kuwait yeah
We screwed ya Rwanda, wish we coulda helped ya
Iraqi embargo, that's where got hustled
Ooo so now we're helping out in Kosovo
We'll kick some ass
And then we'll see how it goes
And then we really don't know
Good luck to Kosovo
Milosevich, you sorry son of a bitch
Every time we go
To little places like Kosovo
We never really know what happens after we go
Tough luck for Kosovo
Croatia, Albania, somewhere near Romania
It's Euro and NATO, why the hell do we go
Pristina, blew up huh, head for Macedonia
Well we're heading down to Kosovo
We'll kick some ass
And then we'll see how it goes
And then we really don't know
That sucks for Kosovo
Somalia, Grenada, or rescuing Kuwait yeah
We screwed ya Rwanda, wish we coulda helped ya
Iraqi embargo, how it is we don't know
Ooo I wanna take you down to Kosovo
We'll get there fast
And then we'll take it slow
That's where we wanna go
Way down to Kosovo."
Suvorov
March 8th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
It has to be said that those Norwegians most likely meant as a sarcastic critique of Western, and particularly American interventionism.
"Somewhere far overseas
There's a place called Kosovo"
In other words, lets bomb them first, and then find them on the globe of America, oh I meant the globe of the world …oops
"We'll kick some ass
And then we'll see how it goes"
Well, the lyrics really speak for themselves…
Suvorov
March 8th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Will you not test my hypothesis and write an article on gardening to see if "Michael Kenny" still writes something about the Israel Lobby? But seriously, what is it about your articles that attracts these mentally ill types?
Analyst
March 9th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Hehehe. You are stupid. Or you don't know what "whining" means (how about taking a look at a dictionary?) I just made a few remarks about people from the Balkans. The only people who are whining are precisely those Balkanites (your term), who are constantly trying to correct some wrongs from the past and to prove their repspective nation is somehow special, divinely anointed group of eternal angels who always get victimized for no reason. But in the West hardly anyone cares. Because the West (and the modern world in general) lives in other kind of dynamics.
Uzun
March 10th, 2011 at 7:45 am
"Bombing civilians in Sarajevo"? You don't mean the Merkale market incident that was prove to have been staged – or did you select to ignore that fact, like you selectively manipulate with the unproved figure of 8,000 Srebrenica vicitims – were there not about 1500 muslim casualties that resulted from the ambush tactics the ABiH had set up under the protection of the UN "safe heaven" shield? Is each thumb with a different DNA definitely a muslim thumb? C'mon man you talk sheer non-sense. Get a hold of yourself and stop embarrassing yourself. Look at the negative feedback you got – does that tell you something?
Uzun
March 10th, 2011 at 7:54 am
Not only "rants" – but sheer non-sense where the figures are twisted, events taken out of context, Serbian population in Kosovo "somehow disappeared" – even after the bloodthirsty Serbian forces killed 1 million out of 2 million Shquipetars in Kosovo after the end of the Kosovo war the Albanians get to be 3 million present and over 90% – Are you insane? What logic is that? A rant would be a compliment for the rubbish you have been posting. How do you explain Serbian Orthodox Churches in Pocitelj, Konavle (above Dubrovnik), Knin and other Krajina towns? Were those built by the Catholics who live there today by some magical time-machine?
bozh
March 11th, 2011 at 11:18 am
however it may be, there were so many sculls, skeletons found in mass graves; thus, dna, was superfluous in determining in most cases the actuall number of men executed. the exhumers found 8,300 such skeletons.
however, they had to be buried and each burial place had to have a name. which skeleton belonged to which family cld be determined most of time only by dna.
i was not gonna answer milojevich's post. i thought the post was too much of an obnubilation and so riddled with lies i though people who exhumed the bodies buried in mass graves and on occasion reburied, wld have just laughed at it.
one is amazed to what degree some serbs can falsify even most obvious facts.
Uzun
March 16th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Bozh, your remarks are correct in large part, except for one unpleasant fact standing against them – the true facts (not the CNN propaganda which you are peddling here)
eric siverson
March 18th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
I don't believe you Bozh , I don't think the majority of the Serbs want to join the E.U. I think Tadic does , but He won the last election with treachery of the Socialists from Milosevics party . I agree with you that the western leaders think they live in some kind of moderen dynamic world under a new world order . This New world order is always asking for more power and is really not offering much justice different from Adolph Hitlers 3rd riech or the old Roman empire world order .
eric siverson
March 18th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Thats just the problem the Albanians and the nazis persecuted the Serbs and illegally took over