The Politics of Anti-Interventionism
How change will come: Rand Paul shows the way forward
The response to Rand Paul’s historic filibuster continues to generate waves – I keep calling it "historic," and I know some of my more skeptical readers think I’m simply being hysteric, and yet…
I have never listened to Rush Limbaugh’s radio program, but perhaps I should start. Because I do read Conor Friedersdorf, I discovered that the embodiment and symbol of all that is Red State is taking Rand Paul’s side against neocon blowback from the usual suspects – the "amigos," the Kristol-Krauthammer-Frum axis of hubris, and their various journalistic spear-carriers. Here’s Rush:
"There is a fear among McCain, Lindsey Graham, and others who favor an interventionist foreign policy. Think of the neocons. Think of going into Iraq and not just securing Iraq, but building a democracy. Nation building, if you will. Think of the outbreak of the Arab Spring and the people on our side who thought, ‘Wow, this is wonderful. This is the outbreak of American democracy,’ when it wasn’t. It was the exact opposite. Rand Paul, they’re asking themselves, is he his father’s son or is he on his own here? They’re worried that he’s his father’s son. They’re worried that Rand Paul is an isolationist. They’re worried that Rand Paul’s diatribe on drones really means that Rand Paul wants to bring the military home and not use it unless we’re attacked. He doesn’t like it being used in an intervention. This is what they fear. And as he succeeds in making a connection with the American people, they are worried, the neocons are worried that they are being undermined by this."
You’ll notice Limbaugh deploys none of the usual epithets – "appeasement," "anti-American," "cheese-eating surrender monkey" – that usually accompany any criticism of our foreign policy of perpetual war. Also note Limbaugh’s critique of how wrong the neocons and the administration were in their analysis of the so-called Arab Spring, which he brings up later in the broadcast:
"And there’s more to it than that, too. It’s also the whole notion of jealousy in power politics. Let me put it this way. They, I think, are worried that Rand Paul might be skillful enough to move the Republican mainstream away from the McCain, Kristol, neoconservatism view of the world and toward a position that is not as extreme as his father’s, but is suspicious of interventionism, suspicious of Islamic democracy building, suspicious of financial and military support for dubious regimes."
Putting aside the dig at the senior Paul – after all, Limbaugh has to justify his past record – the last part of this paragraph is significant: "Islamic democracy building" is indeed at the core of our foreign policy in the Middle East and North Africa, and those conservatives who were so gung-ho about the war on "radical Islamist jihad" are particularly sensitive to its contradictions.
Libya, the ongoing intervention in Syria, and all the rest is a continuation of the Bush administration’s "Sunni turn," in which we allied with the very elements that make up al-Qaeda’s base against the alleged threat emanating from Iran. As the consequences of the Iraq invasion coalesced into an Iraqi-Iranian de facto alliance, the tactical turn that started with the "Anbar Awakening" morphed into a full-fledged strategic turnaround – so that, today, Washington is contending with the black-flag-flying Al Nusra and its allies for control of the Syrian opposition.
Limbaugh-style conservatives, who are incapable of re-examining their own past positions, are understandably baffled by this. And they’re angry: but they don’t have any answers. Rand Paul, on the other hand, does have answers, and more: he has the gumption to stand up and say "No more!" That’s what has Rush denouncing the McCain-Graham "old bulls," who are just plain "jealous" of the conservative movement’s newest folk hero, and "I’ll tell you why, he says:
"Rand Paul made a connection with the American people. These other people do not. He made a connection. Therefore, he has the ability to influence and motivate people. I’m telling you what their fears are. They thought that Ron Paul was absolute nutcase, wacko. That’s why they’re calling Rand Paul a wacko, ’cause that’s what they thought of Ron Paul. Libertarian, fruitcake, nutcase, isolationist, shut down the US military, speak positively about Islamists, all this kind of stuff. They are afraid that’s who Rand Paul is, and they’re afraid that what Rand Paul was doing with this filibuster was not just speaking out against the use of drones on American citizens on American soil. They’re afraid that Rand Paul is actually setting the stage for building up public support to stop the interventionist usage of American military might and foreign policy all over the world. It’s a fear that they’ve got."
The neocons are absolutely right to be fearful of the junior Senator from Kentucky. Rand Paul managed to combine the conservative critique of untrammeled state power with the distinctively libertarian critique of our interventionist foreign policy, showing how the neocon program of perpetual war abroad must at some point lead to the end of constitutional law at home. It is a powerful case that rings true with all the elements needed to forge a new national coalition – one that can wrest power from the War Party.
That Limbaugh is defending Sen. Paul against the neocon onslaught is an indicator that at least one element of that potential coalition – the "wingnut" grassroots – are finally shedding the interventionist dogmatism of the Bush era. It is a transformation greatly accelerated by two stunning electoral defeats, in which the party’s neocon commanders went down in flames. Republicans are tired of losing, and Sen. Paul very deftly picked up on this yearning for a breakthrough by going after his detractors from the CPAC stage: "The GOP of old has grown stale and moss-covered," Paul said. "I don’t think we need to name any names here, do we?"
We sure as heck don’t.
Limbaugh perceptively frames the Rand Paul vs McCain-Graham brouhaha in terms of populism versus elitism:
"It was a very simple question he was posing, and all this was going on while our guys are out dining with Obama, dining with the architect of this current nationwide mess. Rand Paul was standing up opposing this while these guys were out yukking it up with the architect of it all. You know it was a great example of the ruling class and the country class, and the ruling class not liking what this country class senator was doing. It’s no more complicated than that, but a lot of people are ticked off about this, too."
Limbaugh has it exactly right: the country class versus the ruling class – that’s what it’s all about.
This explains why contempt for the Paulian upsurge extended from the neocon "right" to the "progressive" sectors of Washington’s political class: they were defending themselves against a populist upsurge, expressing their utter disdain for the peasants-with-pitchforks who came out in support of Sen. Paul on Twitter and talk radio. Putting aside their differences, the fake-"conservatives" and authoritarian "progressives" came together against the Paulian country party threat.
Senator Paul has pointed the way to understanding how change – a real change in our militaristic foreign policy – can come about in our lifetimes. The answer to that ever-vexing question is: by flying the banner of the "country party," and storming the fortress that is Imperial Washington. In showing how a war with no temporal or geographic limits means gutting the Constitution, Sen. Paul is showing us the way forward.
To say I’ve had my differences with Sen. Paul in the past is surely an understatement, but in wartime the question is posed pointblank: which side are you on? For my part, there can be no question: I #StandwithRand!
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
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You can buy my biography of the great libertarian thinker, An Enemy of the State: The Life of Murray N. Rothbard (Prometheus Books, 2000), here.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





sherban
March 14th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
I can't understand why Mr.Raimondo sees Rand Paul as a hero!Rand Paul did a filibuster of 16 hours and stopped it because was forced to take a shower.This is his heroism.This week Hugo Chavez who ,i hope that even in Raimondo eyes was a hero for his struggle against US imperialism viz.an antiwar hero,but no one in Antiwar found a reason to write something about his passing away.I would be curious to know what caused this silence on Hugo Chavez. demise?
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Seen
March 15th, 2013 at 12:12 am
I'd also like to know the reason for silence.
I'd also like to know why he sold out on Israel and foreign aid to that country. "Gradual" reduction? Please….
mickperry
March 15th, 2013 at 1:25 am
Is this the same Rand Paul who you were eviscerating before you got your election? The man who shared Romney's disdain for 47% of his fellow citizens, and the man who also wanted to ramp up the death toll in Iran through intensified sanctions? http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/06/17/ran…
Be careful that you don't fall with Paul Justin.
Oso Politico
March 15th, 2013 at 3:49 am
Rand – I remain skeptical
james
March 15th, 2013 at 4:45 am
Justin is looking for scraps at a bunch of very mean people dinner table. Rand is a sell out to his own father's ideals. You just cannot make heroes from anybody inside the system who does not actively and unambiguously oppose the policies of you know who. The last of those real heroes was Ron Paul. In this case, the apple did fall a continent away from the tree.
I have a question for Justin and I hope he gives me an honest reply: who is more of a hero? A fighter in Afghanistan resisting his occupiers against incredible odds or a Ron Paul?
james
March 15th, 2013 at 4:46 am
Sorry, my last 2 words should have read Rand Paul, not Ron.
Tim
March 15th, 2013 at 5:01 am
When it comes to politicians, one should always be skeptical. On this particular issue Sen Paul was with the angels. But we shouldn't look at the War Party or the American Empire as only a American phemeonon. Sure, Justin is correct when says foreign policy is linked to domestic matters, but the and networks which comprise the empire are corporate and international in nature. How does one get a grasp on something so vast and sprawling? I suspect if the junior Senator from Kentucky were to represent a real obstacle to the Globalist agenda and not be willing to compromise, he might come down with a form of very aggressive cancer or be suffer a sudden heart attack. It's uncanny how opposing the Anglo-American empire can be so detrimental to one's health.
jokeonus
March 15th, 2013 at 5:11 am
"Within one minute and forty seconds, he quoted the evil Abraham Lincoln. In just over five minutes into his speech, he glorified military warriors, who have fought in battles that did nothing but support the Empire. Within nine minutes, he called for ending foreign aid—but only mentioned Egypt. Within ten minutes, he called out the most absurd government spending, but said nothing about most government spending. Then he called for a 17% flat tax! A flat tax is just shuffling the tax burden on another line of the tax form. What we need is lower taxes, not taxes on different lines of tax forms.
Most of his speech was met with polite applause. That's all. It bombed. The stage was set for him and he failed.
Bottom Line: He has a terrible speech writer and delivers a terrible speech. He delivers a speech as though he is talking to an eye patient about different options for the treatment of cataracts, which is as exciting, as, well, cataract surgery.
Rand has peaked."
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/03/rand…
richard vajs
March 15th, 2013 at 5:46 am
Justin,
Yours and Rush Limbaugh's phrase "the ruling class versus the country class" is partially correct. Actually it is "the ruling class versus the country CLUB class" – that is what Rand Paul represents (inherited wealth). If there is a dispute within the Republican Party, it is between those who are elite globalists and those elites who believe that all public money should be kept home (and reserved for their own grabbing). 99% of the population of America has no dog in that fight.
John V. Walsh
March 15th, 2013 at 6:21 am
Great column, Justin.
The question goes beyond Rand on which most of the above commentary focuses.
The fact is that many voices, not the least those of antiwar.com, led up to the moment of Rand's filibuster.
That speech showed which way the wind is blowing and even Rush, ever conscious of commercial, feels the breeze.
We should all welcome and praise Rand's stand. After all it brought an antiwar message to the lips of Rush Limbaugh, no mean feat. Let the so-called progressives take note of that and urge their own in the Senate to take stands like Rand's. After all where were Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or other self-proclaimed progressives?
Bianca
March 15th, 2013 at 6:45 am
This is a definition of despair. When Rush Limbaugh condescends to forgo his red hot militarism for the sake of populism — and hope of connecting with people. After all, Obama won because a sufficient number of red state people had enough of militarism and its cost. So, the thinking goes, let us "connect" with those with a suitable candidate, and we will rule again. Militarism will be back in fashion with Limbaugh crowd and their conveniently short memory. Just like Obama, who has positioned himself just a shade away from Romney's insane image — allowing him to go right back to his imperial presidency. They are all the same. Imperial presidency is now in place, with the President usurping both legislative and legal powers, and Bill of Rights is abandoned. From now on, we will probably have everyone take an oath on the "original" Consitution without the pesky Bill of Rights that prevents our Emperor from inventing new laws and executing whoever he wants.
omop
March 15th, 2013 at 6:47 am
For what its worth I too stand with both J and R. As WC stated a long time ago one needs to look back as far back as possible in history to know whats ahead.
So here's a bit of history……. WE have been at war and/or bombed the following countries since the end of WWII. China 1945/53. Korea 1950/1953. Guatemala 1954/1967/69. Indonesia 1958. Cuba 1959/60. Belgian Congo 1964. Peru 1965. Laos 1964/73. Cambodia 1969/70. Vietnam 1961/73. Grenada 1983. Libya 1986. El Salvador and Nicaragua 1980s. Columbia Panama 1989. Iraq 1991/2002. Bosnia 1995. Sudan 1998. Yugoslavia 1999. Afghanistan 2001/2002. Yemen. Somalia. Libya 2012. Syria 2012. Even shot down an Iranian civilian airplane full of men, women and children. [ with no apologies] Roughly speaking the US of A has been in military actions/war for almost 70 years.
And the sobs are still demanding more!
skulz fontaine
March 15th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Junior Paul gives ONE filibuster and he has proven his worth? No he has not. Rand Paul is suspect for any number of reasons. His junket to Israel a while back leaves much in question. There is just something not quite right about Rand.
I think I'll take issue with Raimondo's "us vs. them" innuendo. 'You are either with us or you are against us." Really Raimondo? Bushism? That's insulting.
RickR30
March 15th, 2013 at 7:33 am
Please, Chavez was no anti-imperialist hero. He insulted the US a lot, like he did everyone and everything else not called Hugo Chavez. Like everyone else from his background in the region he hates America period. Over there they love playing the victim card and blaming America for all their troubles. But did he do anything against empire? No. He still sold all his oil to the US; and Venezuela and the US despite all the cheap rhetoric do have some juicy business deals going on. And most likely he himself got very rich in the process like all corrupt and deranged dictators/cult leaders.
RickR30
March 15th, 2013 at 7:52 am
Well, why not congratulate Rand when he does something right. He is bringing attention to the most important issue of our time. Can the political class have you and your family droned bombed for "secret" reasons? Like posting comments online that are critical of israel. Because that's "antisemitism" and that's "terrorism". I hope Rand keeps it up. But I wouldn't bother too much listening to Limbaugh. Now there's an unprincipled clown who changes his tune depending on who's running the Republican show. If Limbaugh decides to continue standing with Paul, good for him. Maybe he can be of some influence to finally kick those #$Y%@ McCain and Lindsey out of Congress. But we'll have to see what his views are next week.
In regard to the class warfare issue hinted at here, bring it on. It's about time for what's left of the middle class and below to wake up and realize that war has been going on for decades. It's time to come to that realization and stop taking it with a smile. I know that wealth is great and we all aspire to be wealthy and that in America there is no room for envy, but that doesn't mean that we have to allow the inbred elites to continue this genocide.
Republicans aren't losing elections because they are against abortion and homosexuals or because they're not Afromanic. They are losing elections and will continue to lose them because they make it clear day and in day out that their sole reason for existence is to represent the 1% and no one else. That's not to say that Democrats are any different but at least their rhetoric is different. They do represent the interests of (some) "minorities" namely the homosexual fraction of the 1%. But the Republicans aren't bright enough to call them out on their hypocrisy. Regardless, Republicans won't see the inside of the White House in a long time as long as they continue to be prostitutes for the corrupt 1% who want to continue to abuse the law to gain an unfair advantage. And that won't change any time soon.
The 99% need to think outside of the Rep/Dem false dilemma and put their energy behind a third party. Rand cannot change the Republican mafia on his own, let alone any time soon. Sure if he gets enough popular support, that will cause some of those spineless pricks in Congress to act differently, it just may take too long to save this country.
the_chump
March 15th, 2013 at 8:27 am
It could be noted that the so-called war on terror, spreading middle east democracy is nothing more than a cover for aggression in the middle east and elsewhere. we have been scammed and continue to be scammed. abstract principles like democracy are always used as a cover for other more practical motives- like oil.
Jim
March 15th, 2013 at 8:45 am
In line with your thoughts, Mr. Chump, an interesting interview of John Bolton, uber-neocon, on Taki's magazine today….
http://takimag.com/article/the_case_for_intervent…
Jaime
March 15th, 2013 at 8:59 am
"Like anybody from his background in the region he hates America period." Can you explain what background that is? It might be that this "hatred" has a reason based on historical circumstances? I guess it's very easy for you to play the role of victim since you have been at the convenient end of the relationship But if there is somebody in South America who tries to get rid of the Yankee yoke and gets a little rough in their words (or has Chavez ever been more violent than that -as opposed to the US?), then you become hysterical..You make me remember those abusive jerks who after having beaten up their wives to a pulp and once in the police station blame the beating on their wives not having had dinner ready on time. How brutally ignorant of you to say that we love playing the victim card. Haven't we been the victims of your invasions, meddlings and outright exploitation. However, over HERE, we work hard to prosper hoping the northern vultures don't come and take away our hard earned life styles. We don't play any victim card because we don't feel exceptional; we are jjust like everybody else. What if Chavez sold "his" oil to the US? If he hadn't done, you would have faulted for that too. I never liked the man's style, but he told the truth regarding the US. You go crazy because Chavez insulted the US. How should we feel about all the wrongs your country has committed against us? Have we ever invaded you or went into your country and took away your resources or plotted against democratically-elected governments just because the crooks in your country didn't like what we had chosen? We don't have time for hatred. We only want some respect and to be left alone.
Jaime
March 15th, 2013 at 9:11 am
You should send this to one of those sobs above who thinks the victims are just playing the role of victims. After such "gallant" record -as shown in your post- I would just STFU rather than defend the indefensible.
Watson
March 15th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Gee, I had never heard the term 'inherited wealth' used for any of the Pauls. Could you show me where I can find that information on the Internet?
Kean
March 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am
I second 'the chump' – surely Mr. Raimondo doesn't believe that US foreign policy has been trying to encourage democracy in the middle east. This bit of PR blather by the foreign policy establishment, including especially the Bush 2 administration, is the fig leaf for using our military in the interest of international corporations.
RickR30
March 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Oh, relax. Yes, the background I refer to is "low class", little education, although a lot of education in their communist state universities isn't a guarantee that they'll overcome the typical anti-American hate.
I don't mind Chavez criticizing the US on good grounds, I'm all for that. Even historical grounds, if it's factual. It's another thing to speak of a perennial "Yankee yoke", invasions, exploitations, stealing of resources, plots, CIA murders, cancer "inoculations" and to forever bring up some interpretation of history. It's that rhetoric of hate that so many Latin American caudillos have that is keeping their countries behind and will for generations to come. What image of America and history are these kids in the region going to have who have been listening to Chavez never ending speeches for 14 years? How can they be free? Let alone get respect with views like their political jesus was given cancer by the CIA.
I use the term victimization on purpose because all the lower classes everywhere, including in the US, use it to their political advantage. And in most cases the people who are most vocal about being victims have never been personally victimized by the supposed aggressor. I bet that's the case for you too. I bet the US hasn't taken away your hard earned lifestyle.
Speaking of respect and being left alone, I'm sure the people in Colombia, Ecuador, Bolivia want the same, and not have Chavez meddle in their elections because he didn't like some candidates.
I bring all this up not to defend illegal and unjust actions of the US. I'm a harsh critic of the US myself (you can check my other posts for proof). It's because the anti-imperialist and anti-US hatred is harming Latin America far more than the US is these days. Look how Chavez has managed in a decade to turn Venezuela from a prospering country to the level of Cuba.
Jaime
March 15th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Never bet ignoring everything about your antagonist. I am an Indian from Quechua (Inca) ancestors, and surely US actions have harmed me and my country. If I write this, it's because it's the truth. However, it's useless to be complaining about the same thing again and again. But do you realize that our changing perception is directly linked to a change in the behaviour of the US too? Do you see that change? Have the elites in Washington and NY suddely become enlightened? I don't think so. It'd be good for you to go to Bolivia and Ecuador, etc and ask the average person if they feel Chavez has meddled in their elections. As far as I know, these elections were internationally verified, and nobody raised the claim that Chavez was meddling. In any case, let us find our way alone.
Mark
March 15th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Just a minute here. Put aside politics as such and what you think of Rand and/or Justin.
Limbaugh has just come to the defense of Rand. Say what you will about Rush but, as one that works in talk radio I can tell you when it comes to appealing to and attracting an audience, Limbaugh has no equal…period. As I said, politics aside, Limbaugh is our era's premier broadcast/entertainer and he would be the first to admit that.
What has happened is that Rush is doing what great broadcasters do, he's finding a parade and getting out in front. To me this signals that Limbaugh senses the country is behind Rand's ideas as expressed in the fillibuster and he wants to be up front with him. We could be in for a very interesting period in our nation's history and for most readers of Anti-War, this event implies it will be a good time.
Boston Joe
March 15th, 2013 at 9:59 am
There is much than a touch of desperation in using Limbaugh to 'vouch for Rand' but there is also a strong dash of comraderie, unfortunately, between the two. Both consider those fighting the US as 'bad people'.
Anti_Govt_Rebel
March 15th, 2013 at 10:32 am
I will be convinced Rand Paul and other war mongers have given up neo-conservatism when they STOP using the phrase "all options are on the table".
RickR30
March 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am
If these folks have legitimate gripes against the US/US corporations, take it to the courts, as have some Ecuadorean indians who even won. Or fight, I mean really fight, not with grandiose speeches. America is actually invading and occupying other countries as we speak, and boy, do those ever have the right to play the victim card, even though they are fighting back hard.
The problem with the perennial foreign boogeyman is that is forever deprives those nations and their leaders from taking responsibility for the problems and the solutions to their nations' ills and it breeds passivity and helplessness. How do you solve whatever is affecting Venezuela? First the Yankee has to go home. Fine, I assume that Chavez made that happen by acting like a clown on the world stage and embarrassing himself and his people. Once you can't blame the US anymore, then what? Then you keep blaming the US for its historical behavior. Ok, well, not even the almighty US empire can undo history, so you'll have to figure out something else. An no savior religious or political is going to descend from above and miraculously make every one rich instantaneously.
At some point someone has to come to the realization that the problem (and the solution) is within. That something has to change within to solve corruption, poverty, injustice, misery. And that a definitive solution isn't going to come from an all-controlling state, as history has proven without doubt, or by distancing yourself from the rest of the world.
kat
March 15th, 2013 at 11:22 am
That article took a lot courage on your part, commendable, continue keeping your eyes open like a hawk, join me for breakfast anytime.
richard vajs
March 15th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Watson,
Anyone becoming a Republican politician represents one of three interest groups – the corporatists (with global interests like the Bush family), inheritered wealth no matter how humble (Rand Paul), or cultural warriors (the Rick Santorums).
It doesn't have to even be rooted in reality – there is a whole book on the last group, "What's the Matter with Kansas?" It explains why "broke dick dogs without a pot to p-ss in" vote against their own economic interests.
And you won't learn that on the Internet – you learn it by watching what people do and figuring out why they do it.
wars r u.s.
March 15th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
I think limbaugh is taking Rand's side because obomba is pres. If bush were in office he'd call him a traitor.
muggles
March 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Ron Paul is of course still alive so there is no way Rand could have inherited any poriton of Ron's modest forture (earned as a practicing physician, mostly). And there are a number of other Ron Paul family members in line for that small pot.
Also, Rand Paul is a successful physician in Kentucky who works for his money.
Just being opposed to ongoing government tax theft doesn't make one an apologist for "inherited wealth." Most trustfunders seem to gravitate to the liberal left wing of statism.
muggles
March 15th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
"The perfect is the enemy of the good." Yes Rand is far from perfect but why not do, as Justin is doing, recognize dramatic PR achievments (in barely two months in his first elected office) by Rand when we see them? Who else has done this for the anti war cause? Al Franken? Ha!
While I never listen to Limbaugh I'm glad Justin has perceptively selected important portions of Rush's on air description of the new GOP reality and the swing towards noninterventionism by the Tea Party masses. Instead of cyncism or crazy demands for perfection (Rand has not yet claimed his father's mantle of libertarian leadership) let's cheer this remarkable feat of smashing neocon warmongers in the face, publicly, while their stooges McCain-Lindsay are supping with the Chief dronemonger and gun grabber. Celebrate the small victories and see them for what they are!
the_chump
March 15th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
thanks, Jim. I checked Bolton out. He seemed less rabid than usual. i just remembered as i read it, how much our foreign policy-especially in the middle east- is based on supporting the dollar. if you factor the dollar into the equation, anyone who wants to trade for oil in any currency other than the dollar is a threat to our economy because all those dollars foreign governments hold to buy oil with would not be needed and would then come back here to the US and cause massive inflation. that may be a strong reason saddam and gdaffi had to go- they were attacking us by wanting to trade their oil in other than dollars. so then you get terrorism, wmd, democracy, responsibility to protect, any thing that justifies intervention to save the dollar.
Andrew P Nichols
March 15th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Ask the Hondurans if they are just wallowing in "victimhood".
Rusty
March 16th, 2013 at 12:03 am
"What's the Matter with Kansas?" It explains why "broke dick dogs without a pot to p-ss in" vote against their own economic interests.
The GOP might be scum, but why would a white American vote for the democrats? The democrats favor demographically replacing the white population and providing nonwhites with affirmative action and other government set asides. Whites might be voting against their economic interests when they vote GOP, but they are voting against their existence when they vote democrat.
Rusty
March 16th, 2013 at 12:13 am
Does this mean you are against all the items on your list? Just perusing it, I would say the Korean action was legitimate, and I hope you would not have wanted North Korea to roll over South Korea.
mickperry
March 16th, 2013 at 2:12 am
So the most important issue of our time is the murder by drone attack of US citizens by their own government? This is a sentiment that the war monger Rand Paul is certainly exploiting in the US , but one which the rest of the world would not share.
Using the same logic that you've espoused elsewhere in this thread, if you're the target of a domestic drone attack you could forsake any claim to victim-hood or hatred of the perpetrators, and instead take the issue through the courts and quit complaining.
As for Chavez, you might take a look at the figures. The Bolivarian revolution across South America is lifting millions out of poverty and ignorance, and a spectacular irony is that as literacy increases there it is actually decreasing in the US. Latest figures indicate that practically a third of people in the US today are illiterate as defined by being able to function in a society which is based upon the written word.
It appears to be the case that crumbling bridges and roads are only one part of a far wider malaise facing the people of the United States.
The truth that seemingly can't speak its name here is that the US represents 5% of the world's population but uses a quarter of the world's energy resources. It's rapacious wars across the globe are resource wars, and 'non intervention' is therefore a non starter for a nation so dependent upon the minerals, metals and food crops of others. Empire obviously cannot survive for much longer, but the US might if it indulged in genuine trade rather than raid.
The 99% need to think outside of the Rep/Dem false dilemma and put their energy behind a second party.
I know its tough
March 16th, 2013 at 6:00 am
The hope is not in a dying talk show host or a person seeking higher elective office for unknown reasons…logic dictate we hold firm to our position. The general public will follow the best or the worst not what’s in between.
richard vajs
March 16th, 2013 at 6:30 am
Rusty/muggles,
"the GOP is scum, but the Democratic Party is essentially nonwhite?" Not exactly an enlightening comment – more like a bumper sticker comment guaranteed to start road-rage incidents.
Besides, if R or D are our only choices, why bother voting? Just because lye might be the complement to hydrochloric acid doesn't mean that I would drink either, I haven't voted Democratic or Republican in many years; last two elections I voted for Ralph Nader and then Jill Stein after voting for Libertarians since Ed Clark (1980).
As regards, being "for inherited wealth", I stand by my comment. Rand Paul was certainly not raised in poverty – plus he stands for a certain mythical Norman Rockwell America that never was. A land of "limitless opportunity" and everyone getting an inheritance of freedom straight from T. Jefferson, et al. That ridiculous notion is becoming more and more a cruel joke upon the truly poor and to those awake – but if you want to believe in baseball and apple pie for all, don't let me disturb you.
Oswaldwasalefty
March 16th, 2013 at 7:42 am
John Stauber on the "Progressive Movement" as a PR front for rich Democrats:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/15/the-progre…
I've said it for years now. What we had tens years ago on the streets showing visible opposition to the invasion of Iraq wasn't an anti-war movement as much as it was an anti-Republican movement.
Monster from the Id
March 16th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
An excellent column by Fred Reed on exactly why the USA is unpopular outside of its borders:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Abroad.shtml
Rusty
March 16th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
I haven't voted Democratic or Republican in many years;
Are you being truthful here? You're implying that you have voted republican in the past. I find it hard to believe a guy who supported Ralph Nadar and who doesn't like the freedom narrative of Norman Rockwell, T. Jefferson, etc., would have ever voted GOP.
Mike
March 17th, 2013 at 5:29 am
Socialist tyrant Hugo Chavez is NO hero. He's a destroyer of his own country. As are ALL politicians. As for his passing….good riddance.
Mike
March 17th, 2013 at 5:32 am
I can't understand why this one thing should cause such a love fest for Rand Paul either. Rand's voting for sanctions on Iran was the last straw for me. I just can't see anyone positively who votes for the impoverishment and destruction of a country who is NO threat to the US. The Imperial City is just acting like a cowardly bully.
Mike
March 17th, 2013 at 5:34 am
Sorry but the Paul's didn't "inherit wealth". I don't support Rand but Ron Paul nor his children were not born into great wealth at all.
richard vajs
March 17th, 2013 at 6:10 am
Rusty,
I have reached the age that I no longer have to lie about anything. I may have voted for folks that I knew and who were running as Democrats in local elections (Magistrate or Sheriff) but that is it. I wouldn't vote for Jesus if he ran as a Republican – I can't stand those hypocritical bast-rds
amacd385
March 17th, 2013 at 7:19 am
Ricky, listen to yourself —
"The problem with the perennial foreign boogeyman is that [it] forever deprives those nations and their leaders from taking responsibility for the problems and the solutions to their nations' ills and it breeds passivity and helplessness. "
Now apply what you said to America, and more importantly, apply it to the disguised Global Empire (which is only posing as America)!!!
The disguised Empire posing as America has (in its phony role as America) been fooling Americans since Reagan (and with BOTH Vichy parties, which hide the Empire) that it can't solve domestic problems, until it beats the phony boogeyman abroad — and the American people are finally understanding that there are NO real boogeymen abroad (just Empire wars for looting), they are now understanding that things will never get better "at home", and most importantly they are finally understanding and, thank God, recognizing that the very same ****ing Global Empire that is bombing and looting "abroad" is looting them domestically and applying increasing Tyranny "at home".
In other words, Americans are finally understanding, even if they never heard of Hannah Arendt, the truth of what she most famously said:
"Empire abroad entails tyranny at home".
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
PS. IMHO, "If your country is treating you like ****, and bombing abroad, look carefully — because it may not be your country, but a Global Empire only posing as your former country."
amacd385
March 17th, 2013 at 7:40 am
Tim, good points, but it's not just the "War Party" (ie the two-Vichy parties that hide this Global Empire), and its not just an "American Empire" (as you and many others, on the left and right, call it), it's really the first "truly Global Empire" as Seumas Milne, Michael Hardt, Antonio Negri, Chalmers Johnson, John Perekins, et al. accurately diagnose and describe it!.
And, Yes, Tim, it's "vast and sprawling" and Yes, Tim, it entails "networks which comprise the empire are corporate and international in nature", but NO, Tim, it's not that hard to recognize, diagnose, expose, "call-out", and successfully confront and 'excise' (like the cancer that it is).
Because the greatest weakness of a disguised Global Empire of this massive scope and which causes all the 'symptom problems' we face is just to UNMASK the ****er, by simply (and non-violently) talking and protesting about it IN PUBLIC with everyone!
"It's the EMPIRE, stupid" — and if only 10% of the American people wrote, talked, discussed, debated, publicly exposed, and 'called-out' this Empire as an EMPIRE it would collapse of its own deceit.
We are only held hostage by this disguised Empire because it is able to remain hidden, camouflaged, disguised and unrecognized — and thus able to get away with its deceitful posing as a normal and acceptable democratic Republic — when, in fact, it is a disguised Global EMPIRE.
Merely shining light on this vampire of EMPIRE will kill it in an
instant!.
Best luck and love to the fast expanding 'Occupy
Empire' educational and revolutionary movement against this
deceitful, guileful, disguised EMPIRE, which can't so easily be identified as wearing RedCoats, Red Stars, nor funny looking Nazi helmets —- quite yet!
Liberty, democracy, justice, and equality
Over
Violent/'Vichy' Rel 2.0
Empire,
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
We don't merely have a gun/fear problem, or a 'Fiscal Cliff'
problem, or an expanding wars problem, or a 'drone assassinations' problem, or a vast income & wealth inequality problem, or a Wall Street 'looting' problem, or a Global Warming and environmental death-spiral problem, or a domestic tyranny NDAA FISA spying problem, or, or, or, or …. ad nauseum — we have a hidden EMPIRE cancerous tumor which is the prime CAUSE of all these 'symptom problems'.
amacd385
March 17th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Justin, I love you, but I'm a little worried.
You can't stop thinking just because a right-wing-nut like Limbaugh (and his base of nuts) have reached the same conclusion (on one point) you and other serious thinking (and ethical) people on the right and left have reached.
In other words, Justin, don't go all gushy about this twit, just because Rush, like a blind man touching an elephant, has said "that feels like a trunk" and he happens to be right on one point. You and others with brains, rather than blind ideological stupidity, need to, like a Phd in Zoology, say to ourselves, "Ah, so even a broken clock is right sometimes". IMHO, Justin, Limbaugh, has not suddenly become your equal (or Sheldon Wolin's, or Hannah Arendt's, Karl Polanyi's or even mine) in political philosophy, history, economics, nor any serious intellectual and academic thought — he has rather glomped blindly onto a symptom of the full diagnosis with no idea of the real seminal cause.
My first concern about your new found love for Limbaugh: "Putting aside the dig at the senior Paul – after all, Limbaugh has to justify his past record – the last part of this paragraph is significant: "Islamic democracy building" is indeed at the core of our foreign policy".
Justin, get hold of yourself. "Islamic democracy building" ( or any "Democracy Building") is (CERTAINLY NOT) indeed at the core of our foreign policy — rather "faux-democracy building" is the core of the disguised Global Empire's foreign policy (while that Empire only poses as America). Justin, surely you, of all people, know this!
So, Yes, Paul is to be commended. And, Yes, the decades long neocon CON of "perpetual war" abroad is wrong. And the dual "War Party", as you yourself call it is deceitful, awful, immoral, etc. etc. And, Yes, populist (and broad) recognition, understanding, diagnosis, and well founded resistance, rejection, and even non-violent revolution against the whole stinking and unsustainable pile of **** that previous MIS-understanding has led us into, would be wonderful to expose and dump.
But, Justin, just because (what you rightly call) the "wingnut grassroots" and their grand (stupid) Poobah has touched one leg of the elephant of the disguised Global Empire does NOT mean that their understanding is anything close to accurate or complete — nor that their populist 'actions' will be to your, mine, or any sane person's liking.
Think it over very carefully, Justin, before you celebrate this 'rough' conclusion.
Best to you and yours,
Alan
RickR30
March 17th, 2013 at 9:13 am
The imperialists are making themselves sure on one takes their fairy tales seriously by calling everyone and everything "terrorism". Call it what you will, global empire, fourth reich, one-world shadow government, synchretists, it doesn't mean Americans have to absolve Obama, CheneyBush, Holder, McCain, Lindsey from their responsibilities and from accountability for their actions. Just as the French shouldn't for the latest member of that sickening club, ueber neocon socialist Hollande.
amacd385
March 17th, 2013 at 9:42 am
Rick, the only reason when I speak, and per your advice to "call it what you will", that I call 'it': Global Empire, by the deadly accurate name of 'EMPIRE' (and not other terms) is that the ONLY time Americans successfully revolted was 'against EMPIRE' — most Americans don't know what oligarchy means, they don't like the sound of the word "fascism", but if you call their country fascist, they will more likely kick you than follow you, and they have less understanding (nor have even heard the terms) one-world shadow government, reich (German for Empire BTW), synchretists, etc, etc, etc.
So, if you are trying to educate and energize the average American populus to a Second (but non-violent) American Revolution, my sane choice is to 'call-out' the alarm just as Paul Revere did —- "the British EMPIRE is coming, the EMPIRE is coming, the EMPIRE is here!"
Just sayin,
Alan