Debate Summary: Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel
And, oh yeah, America
One striking impression of this debate was that out of some 17,000 words uttered by both candidates and the moderator, about half of them were about domestic policy. Neither candidate wanted to talk about foreign policy — because the differences between them are negligible. Out of this half, about 1500 words were devoted to the subject of Israel — around 20 percent. And it’s not as if the candidates disagreed: indeed, they competed for the role of Israel’s Best Friend. Obama was first to pledge allegiance to Tel Aviv, less than ten minutes after the starting bell. Outlining the foundations of his foreign policy, he averred:
“What I’ve done throughout my presidency and will continue to do, is, number one, make sure that these countries are supporting our counterterrorism efforts; number two, make sure that they are standing by our interests in Israel’s security, because it is a true friend and our greatest ally in the region.”
According to the President, Israel’s security is our number two priority not only in the region, but also in a much broader sense, second only to going after our own enemies. That’s an odd way to define our hierarchy of foreign policy values: what about the security and prosperity of the region as a whole? The Israel-pandering was obsessive and I’m not the only one who noticed it.
No aspect of our Middle Eastern policy was discussed without reference to how it might play in Israel. When Syria came up, Obama made a point of saying that although “Syrians are going to have to determine their own future,” our efforts to aid the rebels are being carried out “in consultation with our partners in the region, including Israel, which obviously has a huge interest in seeing what happens in Syria.” Romney chimed in:
“Secondly, Syria’s an opportunity for us because Syria plays an important role in the Middle East, particularly right now. Syria is Iran’s only ally in the Arab world. It’s their route to the sea. It’s the route for them to arm Hezbollah in Lebanon, which threatens, of course, our ally Israel… We need to make sure as well that we coordinate this effort with our allies and particularly with — with — with Israel.”
Never mind what the people of Syria want: it’s all about what Israel wants. This duet was sung in many variations. On Egypt, the President warned:
“They have to abide by their treaty with Israel. That is a red line for us, because not only is Israel’s security at stake, but our security is at stake if that unravels.”
This wasn’t enough for Romney, however, who came back with:
“We have to also stand by our allies. I think the tension that existed between Israel and the United States was very unfortunate.”
Not to be out-Israeled, the President struck back:
“Our alliances have never been stronger. In Asia, in Europe, in Africa, with Israel where we have unprecedented military and intelligence cooperation, including dealing with the Iranian threat.”
After all that, Bob Schieffer decided it was time to “move on to the next segment: red lines, Israel, and Iran.” A visitor from Mars might be forgiven for being confused at this point: didn’t the last segment cover that territory? Us earthlings understand, however, that when it comes to foreign policy, one can never kowtow too long or too low in the direction of Tel Aviv, and so Schieffer gave the candidates yet another opportunity to prostrate themselves before King Bibi:
“Would either of you be willing to declare that an attack on Israel is an attack on the United States, which of course is the same promise that we give to our close allies like Japan? And if you made such a declaration, would not that deter Iran? It’s certainly deterred the Soviet Union for a long, long time when we made that — when we made that promise to our allies.”
The President took over 250 words to declare his undying loyalty to the Jewish state, wielding all the familiar phrases endlessly uttered by both candidates over the course of the campaign like some sort of semi-religious litany: “ a true friend,” “our greatest ally in the region,” etc. — although purists will note “in the region” as a modifier is highly suspicious.
Repeating Israeli propaganda almost verbatim — including the long-debunked mistranslation of Ahmadinejad supposedly calling for Israel to be “wiped off the map” — Obama again touted “the strongest military and intelligence cooperation between our two countries in history” as he committed this country to war under the murkiest of circumstances. His pledge to defend Israel against “attack” raises some interesting questions: e.g. is that Hezbollah drone incursion grounds for us to start bombing Lebanon? What about Palestinian resistance to “settler” incursions? But the President wasn’t too concerned with nuance: he was too busy threatening Iran, hailing the “crippling sanctions” and gloating that “their economy is a shambles.”
Yes, and so is ours, a better Romney might have added, but instead he chimed in:
“Well, first of all, I — I want to underscore the — the same point the president made, which is that if I’m president of the United States, when I’m president of the United States, we will stand with Israel. And — and if Israel is attacked, we have their back, not just diplomatically, not just culturally, but militarily. That’s number one.”
The Republican nominee
went on to establish his pro-Israel credentials by mentioning that
he had made the same point at Israel’s Herzliya Conference,
where he laid out “seven steps” to war
dealing with Iran, but only mentioned two.
Not to be outdone, Obama went much further than he’s ever gone on the Iran issue, coming very close to Romney’s (and Netanyahu’s) position:
“We’re not going to allow Iran to perpetually engage in negotiations that lead nowhere. And I’ve been very clear to them, you know, because of the intelligence coordination that we do with a range of countries, including Israel, we have a sense of when they would get breakout capacity, which means that we would not be able to intervene in time to stop their nuclear program, and that clock is ticking.”
Until now, the key difference between the two candidates on Iran has been this issue of “capability” — with Romney naturally echoing Netanyahu’s stance that we must strike as soon as we — somehow — know Iran has the mere theoretical capacity to assemble a nuclear weapon. Presumably Netanyahu will supply us with the relevant “intelligence.” The Obama administration, on the other hand, has been saying their red line is a clear attempt to actually acquire such weapons — that is, until now. “The clock is ticking” on Iran, Obama growled — and, as of Monday’s debate, it seems to be ticking much louder and faster.
Romney, in danger of being out-Israeled, struck back, attacking what he called the President’s “apology tour.” This, he declared, was seen by the Bad Guys as a sign of “weakness,” along with our failure to openly side with the leaders of the “Green Revolution — who neither asked for nor wanted such a declaration. Another sign of “weakness” was “When the president said he was going to create daylight between ourselves and Israel that — that they noticed that as well.”
The “daylight” citation was reported by the Washington Post in the context of a 2009 meeting between Obama and US Jewish leaders on the collision between the US and Israel over the Palestinian question, not Iran. The delegation was dismayed by the President’s insistence that construction of “settlements” on Arab-owned land does not serve American interests — the same position taken by George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and Bush Senior.
As this debate demonstrated, the degree of daylight between Israel and the US is rapidly diminishing to the point of near imperceptibility. Unlike his predecessors, this President would never dare withhold aid, and as far as the Israelis are concerned the White House can kvetch about the “settlements” until the cows come home.
However, Romney’s acquaintance with the facts is, at best, passing, and he stubbornly hammered away:
“Number two, Mr. President, the reason I call it an apology tour is because you went to the Middle East and you flew to — to Egypt and to Saudi Arabia and to — to Turkey and Iraq. And — and by way, you skipped Israel, our closest friend in the region, but you went to the other nations. And by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel.”
The proper response to Romney is: Israel may be our “best friend,” but what kind of friendship requires a visit whenever you’re in the neighborhood? It’s an unreasonable — even crazy — demand, one that might well make a normal person reconsider the benefits of such an insecure relationship. But we aren’t dealing with normal people here, we’re dealing with politicians, and Obama’s response was to detail his trip during the 2008 campaign, his visit to the Holocaust Museum and to the targeted town of Sderot — an itinerary unlike Romney’s, who used the occasion of his own visit to do a little fundraising.
At this point, Schieffer, apparently concerned the candidates hadn’t talked enough about their fealty to Israel, asked what he apparently thought was a tough question:
“What if the prime minister of Israel called you on the phone and said: ‘Our bombers are on the way. We’re going to bomb Iran.’ What do you say?”
Romney wouldn’t go there, but I thought his answer was nonetheless revealing:
“Our relationship with Israel, my relationship with the prime minister of Israel is such that we would not get a call saying our bombers are on the way or their fighters are on the way. This is the kind of thing that would have been discussed and thoroughly evaluated well before that kind of action.”
In other words: Netanyahu wouldn’t have to even bother telling us. Note, also, the reference to his personal friendship with the Israeli Prime Minister, which extends back 35 years: friends don’t ask friends for permission to start World War III.
In the course of the same answer, Romney reiterated his theme of the President’s alleged “weakness”:
“I see our influence receding, in part because of the failure of the president to deal with our economic challenges at home, in part because of our withdrawal from our commitment to our military and … in part because of the turmoil with Israel. I mean, the president received a letter from 38 Democrat senators saying the tensions with Israel were a real problem.”
This was too much for Obama, who blurted out: “No!” But Romney pressed on:
“They asked him, please repair the tension — Democrat senators — please repair the damage in his — in his own party.”
Again, that letter was the result of the White House’s rebuke to Netanyahu over the construction of more Israeli “settlements” — a position taken by all recent occupants of the Oval Office regardless of party. If we were to have any kind of real debate — or even a semblance of one — on Israel’s relations with the US, then the President would have come back with this simple fact. Perhaps he would have even asked Romney if he supports the right of the Israelis to build such “settlements” endlessly, without limit. But of course he said no such thing.
One has to wonder in what sense US opposition to the Israeli government’s ongoing depredations against the Palestinians, including the building of “settlements,” signals our “receding” influence. Does Romney believe America’s perceived decline is punishment from God for the “sin” of not following orders from Netanyahu on every conceivable question? Romney’s Mormon theology may explain this rather weird remark.
Every one of these debates has had these weird little moments, but this one seemed to have way more than the first two. As might be expected, Romney was the main author of these. Weirdest of all was when he was visibly struggling to come up with a scenario short of war with Iran, and latched on to the idea of “indicting” Ahmadinejad for “genocide incitation.” Leaving aside the mistranslation of Ahmadinejad’s words this charge is based on — the Iranian president was saying Israel would “vanish from the page of time” due to the Palestinian population explosion rather than a nuclear explosion — one wonders what court will issue the indictment, and under what legal standard. “Genocide incitation” is not against the law in the United States, although it is in Europe and in Russia: will the United Nations file the charges? Then again, Romney and Ryan criticize the present administration for relying too much on the UN, so it’s hard to make any real sense out of this little outburst.
The conventional wisdom is that Romney de-neoconned himself, for at least one night: does this mean his promised appointment of John Bolton as Secretary of State is off? I think not. Shape shifter Romney will take any form, even that of a relative peacenik: “We can’t kill our way out of this,” he declared, no doubt surprising the numerous and bloodthirsty red state fascists among his supporters. But did he have his fingers crossed under the table? There’s a simple explanation for Romney’s “peace” offensive: neocon snakes shed their skin when necessary.
Another weird moment was when Romney forgot who he was debating, and attacked Sen. Rand Paul, albeit not by name:
“We look at what’s happening in Pakistan and recognize that what’s happening in Pakistan is going to have a major impact on the success in Afghanistan. And — and I say that because I know a lot of people just feel like we should just brush our hands and walk away. And I don’t mean you, Mr. President, but some people in the — in our nation feel that Pakistan isn’t being nice to us and that we should just walk away from them. But Pakistan is important to the region, to the world and to us, because Pakistan has 100 nuclear warheads, and they’re rushing to build a lot more.”
It’s none other than Sen. Paul who sponsored a bill to defund Pakistan, Egypt, and Libya, and whose political action committee — RandPac — is running ads against West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin showing mobs of screaming Muslims burning the American flag: “Joe Manchin is against cutting aid to countries that burn our flag, and storm our embassies,” the ad intones. (Sen. Paul originally came out against aid to Israel as well, but has apparently backed off that one).
Stealing a line from Ron Paul, the President said — three times! — we need to stop nation-building abroad and start doing it at home. It’s no stretch to imagine John McCain attacking this as “isolationist,” but Romney — who can read polls as well as anyone — knew better. Instead, he masqueraded as some kind of Gandhi-like peacemaker, declared no troops would be sent to Syria, and reversed his earlier critique of Obama’s 2014 timeline for withdrawal from Afghanistan. War with Iran, he averred, would be a “last resort.”
Both candidates know the American people are sick unto death of war and endless intervention around the world, and both were smart to keep their warlike tendencies under wraps on this occasion. Yet there were moments when the mask came off, and both stood revealed for who and what they are — and it wasn’t pretty.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
Fact-checking department: Obama said we lavish more on the military than the top ten spenders in the world: actually, it’s the top fourteen, or, depending on how you calculate the numbers, it’s more than the rest of the world combined. And finally, did anybody notice Schieffer’s opening stumble?:
“Good evening from the campus of Lynn University here in Boca Raton, Florida. This is the fourth and last debate of the 2012 campaign.”
There have been only three debates: it only seems like more….
Anybody could’ve gotten a preview of this column, in rapid bursts of short phrases, on Twitter last night: you can follow my Twitterverse shenanigans here.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





Phil Giraldi
October 23rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Thank you Justin for being one of the few willing to state the obvious which most commentators are unwilling to mention – that Mormonism is not exactly politically neutral when it comes to the subject of Israel and the Mormon religion is something that Romney will not firewall as chief executive. It looks like Romney is going to win and we are in for a rough four years, probably to include a new war. Maybe Romney should appoint Bibi his secretary of state?
tim
October 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
The whole I love Israel was a bit much. I summed up the debate to; You'll love Israel and build more ships for Romney, or you'll love Israel and build more roads and indoc-centers (schools) for Obama.
ML3
October 23rd, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Look, it CAN'T be that potential and current US leaders have to kneel and kiss the ring of the third rate thug Netanyahu for fear of "alienating" less than 2% of the voting pop. Israel must have blood and dirt and nuclear FEAR pointed straight down the throats of Europe and America. There ain't enough jewish votes in my book to matter one way or the other. Tell Nutty to get stuffed – either one of ya – I dare ya – this isn't Lebanon,,,we aren't afraid of your bluster (and I don't think they are either). If he doesn't like it, he can go back to his insignificant sh*t splat with the rest of his traitorous American Neocon fakes and frauds and lunatics and die there in the hot sun.
The world will be better off.
richard vajs
October 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
I had every intention of watching the debate, but as I was coming down with a cold and feeling feverish and upset in the guts, I just knew that a contest of who could kiss Bibi's buttocks the most-fervently would just make me upchuck my supper – so I declared to my long-suffering girlfriend that I could only last until one of the candidates mentioned the magic word, "Israel". It was a short night for me. I don't even care to review the recording – Justin told me all I need to know. Now on to choose the best third party candidate.
johnc
October 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
The moral of the story is that foreign policy is Israeli policy.
camus10
October 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
U may recall justins prior pitch to paul for a major rethink on gop loyalty
both major candidates have all but surrendered to the neocon 1% likud agenda. Could we survive another 4yrs of these overlords. Do U seriously think there is even a faint glimmer left for a 3party option or will events propel into a tailspin led by a petrodollar collapse
Jaime
October 23rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
That these two fools cannot contain themselves in their fawining to the insignificant Zionist entity is something I've never seen or read about in the history of empires.
tim
October 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
What war? There a declaration of war somewhere? Like Romney was saying, we don't dictate to the world, we're freeing them from dictators. Why fight for a right to vote and then not use it. Besides building ships pays better.
Rich
October 23rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Wow, Mr. Giraldi would you really condemn a man because of his religion? Often I find myself in agreement with your opinion pieces, but attacking a man because of his religion is beyond the pale in the USA. I'm not a Mormon, but the Mormons I have worked with over the years have been among the most decent, honest people I've known. There's good and bad in all groups, I know, but your attack on Romney because of his religion is nonsense. He's not running for Pope of the Mormons, he's running for President. There may be reasons not to vote for him, we shouldn't make religion one of them. After all, Obama didn't listen to his pastor and start killing whitey did he? At least not yet.
patriothere
October 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
I feel sorry for all those poor people that had to watch that atrocious "debate". I avoided it like the plague. I just hope one day I will wake up and see all of this as very bad dream and all of this nonsense and evil will just go away.
Phil Giraldi
October 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Sorry Rich but check out the links that Justin provided, Mormonism has very strong biases and relationships when it comes to Israel. If you don't like me saying that and inferring that it would create a very bad foreign policy bias then you are being naive. It is not a question of "condemnign a man because of his religion." It is a question of what his religion will tell him that he should do as president vis a vis a foreign country that very definitely is not doing good things for the American people.
Generalissimo X
October 23rd, 2012 at 6:47 pm
well stated sir.
Johnny in Wi.
October 23rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Of course I didn't watch the debate. Why should I when Justin here does such a fine job for me? It only took me about 10 minutes to read and study his summary. Thats a lot better then watching 2 fools for 2 hours.
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Rich
October 23rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
What about them Catholics, they want to make us all eat fish on Friday and the Anglicans want make us worship the King of England. I don't trust them there Greek Orthodox either with their foreign language and all. I hear the Baptists are all in the Klan and the Presbyterians are all Freemasons and the Jews, don't get me started with the Jews. Yes sir, it's Dutch Reformed or we go to war.
Sorry Phil, that's what you sound like. No religious test for office.
Mohammed
October 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I like the answer of this German Scholar when he was asked about terrorism and Islam: He said:
·Who started the First World War, which killed 37 million and injured 22, 379, 053 that includes 7 million civilians?Muslims?
·Who started the Second World War, which killed over 60 million, which was over 2.5% of the world population?Muslims?
·Who killed about 20 million of Aborigines in Australia? Muslims?
·Who drop the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which killed 166,000 people in Hiroshima and 80,000 in Nagasaki? Muslims?
·Who killed more than 100 million Red Indians in North America?Muslims?
·Who killed more than 50 million Indian in South America?Muslims?
·Who took about 180 million African people as slaves and when 88% of them died, threw them into the Atlantic Ocean?Muslims?
NO
They weren’t Muslims! First of all, you have to define terrorism properly…. If a non-Muslim does something bad… it is crime. But if a Muslim commits the same, he is a terrorist. So first remove the double standard… then come to the point.
*** Just for your information ***
nclaughlin
October 23rd, 2012 at 8:53 pm
"It's their route to the sea"? But Iran already has several hundred miles of coastline to the south (Persian and Oman Gulfs) and a couple hundred miles to the north (Caspian Sea). And besides, Iraq is located between Syria and Iran, so there is no route from Iran to Syria, and henceforth to the sea.
davidgrayling
October 23rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Guess which word I hate the most! You're right! It's Israel.
Never has a nation earned so much deserved criticism yet responded by giving a finger-salute to the world.
Hiding behind the U.S. as it does, it thinks it is impregnable. Its day is coming.
bil
October 23rd, 2012 at 9:10 pm
That's right phil we should protect every country in the world except Israel. Look at the NATO agreements. If Turkey is attacked we will protect them, but not Israel? What about Germany France, Italy etc…Why do we protect any? Protect them all except Israel, why? Love one and hate the other?
Will
October 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
It is the 3rd presidential debate, but fourth debate if you count VP debate. I agree with pretty much everything else.
tim
October 23rd, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Thumb me down, I guess as a woman I should be a liberal. I guess instead of getting a degree in engineering or computer science I should want to be a community organizer. Think of the jobs in ship building, software, communications, engineering, design, fuels, but you would rather that me as a woman be resigned to picking strawberries in some field with a degree that I am indebted to as a strawberry picker. What about my rights? My right that was fought and won from the proud woman before me?
We should hold to the old maxim…vote early and vote often.
tim
October 23rd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Yeah Phil what does your religion tell you to do? Guess we're all just about socialists now and it's all good. The American people, every job has been shipped out. How else can we support all our friends in the rest of the world? We give them everything because we are so altruistic. Just starve ourselves for the rest of the world. That's right we'll be a service economy and everyone will have a hospice. Fuck you
tim
October 23rd, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Ayn Rand's ideas are all so horrible because Rothbard said so, While I do not follow Rand, I only read two of her three books, both of which I enjoyed. I do think Atlas Shrugged was a bit long and skipped numerous of the love scene pages, I think those books were great for their time and written in such a way that they were only distinguishable to that time. The dialog and imagery are distinct and to try and move the story to the present day does not work. While Ayn may have been eccentric does not take away from what was written, and while Rothbard who I will take nothing from, wrote his works in tens. or whatever number, Ayn did it in three. :)
Rusty
October 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Who started the Second World War, which killed over 60 million, which was over 2.5% of the world population?Muslims?
It actually began in the early 1930s when Japan attacked China. Also, approximately 15 to 20 percent of those 60 million deaths where Chinese.
·Who killed about 20 million of Aborigines in Australia? Muslims?
Where did you get the figure 20 million? There were only approximately half a million Aborigines in Australia when the Europeans arrived. There is no way they could have killed 20 million.
Who killed more than 100 million Red Indians in North America?Muslims?
Once again, where did you get this number? When the first Europeans came to what is now the USA, there were maybe 5 to 7 million natives. If there had been 100 million Red Indians to kill, the Europeans would have never been able to take the land.
·Who took about 180 million African people as slaves and when 88% of them died, threw them into the Atlantic Ocean?Muslims?
I don't know who took 180 million. If you are referring to the Atlantic slave trade, then the numbers range from 10 million to 20 million. I have no idea where you are coming up with 180 million. In the 1500s, Africa as a whole is estimated to have only had 80 million total people.
Despite your over inflation of numbers, you do have a point that non Muslims have been very brutal. Of course you left out left out the brutality of the Muslim slave traders and the death toll caused by the Muslim conquest of India.
First of all, you have to define terrorism properly
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Because of this we will never agree on who is and who is not a terrorist. If you cannot understand this, I cannot help you. To me Al Qaeda are terrorists. To many Muslims Al Qaeda are righteous defenders of Islam. The definition of a terrorist will always depend upon one's point of view
mickperry
October 24th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Phil Giraldi is already calling it for Romney? If he's right then the crazies in the basement will soon be back in control of the whole house.
These are the people who bought the US to the brink of economic ruin, while destroying Iraq in the process. Maybe we should thank them though, for exposing the subversion of US law before the entire world, as the consequences of their own crimes would have seen them safely locked away were corruption not endemic.
So far as religious conviction goes, I'm with Giraldi on this, and John Le Carre's summation springs to mind: “I think that the question of somebody’s religious faith is absolutely central to what we think of them, if we are members of the electorate. We have to know. If it is, for example, somebody’s conviction, widely held among Christians in the United States, that the second coming of Christ is not possible 'til the Greater Israel is established, we need to know that. That's an important political perception.”
Surely if the views of these crazy end timers are not exposed to the light of day, then the world is in deep trouble.
bane
October 24th, 2012 at 1:09 am
Must be the Phil, Raimondo, Obomba voters who like to thumb down.
Marxists and libertarians are alike. Marxists fought for our "right" to vote and libertarians tell us not to. Maybe that is how they ensure a winner. Marxists want a strong overlord and libertarians say they want none. Both work with each other, one says to vote and the other says none. Ensures victory for their candidate.
El Tonno
October 24th, 2012 at 1:51 am
Sounds like the PC brigade is riding.
"Some things you must not say. Crimethink!"
Sam
October 24th, 2012 at 1:56 am
The whole western world seems to be Israel's colonies. A bigger war in the ME would be fatal.
El Tonno
October 24th, 2012 at 2:01 am
PSH! Geography is complicated!
"Don't know much about history,
don't know much biology.
don't know much about a science book,
don't know much about the french i took.
but i do know that money talks,
and i know that if I do the Israeli walks,
what a wonderful election this would be."
El Tonno
October 24th, 2012 at 2:04 am
"Ayn Rand's ideas are all so horrible because Rothbard said so"
What the hell is this crazyness? And you take nothing from Rothbard? Crazy troll.
james
October 24th, 2012 at 2:37 am
If I were you bil, I would think about protecting my country. Nato is not the US. One more thing, who will protect the Palestinians? It seems that people like you hate the Palestinians for wanting what is rightfully theirs.
Israel is a warmongering, land grabbing, racist, war criminal, nuclear and artificial nation created by terrorism and supported by you in the US to the tune of more than $6billion other than billions in freebees and weapons. Who needs protection dumbo.
People like you really make me sick, you are intelligent enough to write on a forum here but not enough to see the glaring facts. You do not mind the blood of millions of people to protect your little drama queen in the ME, then you call yourself christian?
Listen boy, you have that much love for the shitty little state, put your money where your mouth is, get your ass to Israel to protect them and do not waste your time and ours here.
All the problems in the world now are because of people like you.
abe
October 24th, 2012 at 2:46 am
I find Romney disgusting as Obama. Romney would put that neocon israel first/America last Joe Lieberman in as Sec of Defense or Sec of State where that parasite can cause horrible trouble. I wonder how that filthy Satanist scumbag Joe can walk about D.C without being attacked. I know that the Huge body guard will NOT lay down his life for lowlife Joe; how do I know? The guard doesn't wear a bullet resistant vest. I have a background in LE and from time to time had to guard a mayor and some crappy politicians and I always thought to hell with them I'll come out alive not THEM! I am sure the Joe guard must think to himself " If I cover Joe up during an attack I will be gored by his HORNS"!
Steve
October 24th, 2012 at 4:01 am
Abe, after reading your comment – I flashed back to an article I read yesterday that said that the US Mint is selling massive amounts of silver in order to keep up with the 'demand'. It just hit me. Joe Lieberman and the rest of his treasonous, war mongering, neo-con ethnic buddies are probably pooling their money and are behind this sudden explosive demand to buy up as much silver as possible!
These blood-thirsty vampires want to make sure that none of that silver winds up being turned into bullets.
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andy
October 24th, 2012 at 4:28 am
freeing them from dictators by paying them to stay in power ? how does that work ? i'd really like to understand how lavishing billions upon billions to the likes of Mubarak and the Saudi regime for decades is helping free them from dictators.
Ben_C
October 24th, 2012 at 4:51 am
The so-called 'Foreign Policy' "debate" which occurred on Monday night was a substance-less pandering 'effort' filled with deception, manipulation attempts, and flat out lies… These sorts of 'exercises' do not "inform" voters…they play to certain emotions and reinforce misconceptions…
If "people" have no clue what they're "voting" for (which the 'lame-stream' and so-called "fact-checkers" do nothing 'materially' positive in "correcting")…what's the point of even "voting" in the first place?
Yes…I understand the "separation of powers" 'concept'; however, this obviously does not apply (at least at present) when it comes to US "foreign policy"… The "institution" of the 'President of the United States of America' is, in and of itself, "despotic" to a magnitude never seen before on planet Earth… Do I (as a US citizen and voter) have any control over this…seriously and realistically speaking? Does the US Congress have any 'real' "say" as things have now 'played out'? Do the US Courts (obviously not…they never did anyway)…
Just compare Monday night's so-called "debate" with this interview which aired in the US on May 27th, 2010 (well before the current "conflict" in Syria):
http://youtu.be/x3G4LrDSkuA
For those who actually 'objectively' watch all (or even a portion) of the Charlie Rose "interview" which Aired in the US lame-stream in 2010: was the "guest" in the video speaking to Charlie Rose in a fashion intended to "pander" and 'cater' to what he may have 'thought' the target US audience 'wanted to hear'? Or, did it seem as though it was a 'bit' more "serious" and more consistent with "reality" than anything said by 'Flopsy' and 'Mopsy' Monday night????
I consider this a complete embarrassment of US "policy", the US "political system", the US "media", etc.. as a whole…
But hey..that's just my "informed" 'opinion' and "analysis"….
Augustbrhm
October 24th, 2012 at 5:03 am
They are both war criminals
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guest
October 24th, 2012 at 5:28 am
Schieffer, apparently concerned the candidates hadn’t talked enough about their fealty to Israel, asked what he apparently thought was a tough question:
“What if the prime minister of Israel called you on the phone and said: ‘Our bombers are on the way. We’re going to bomb Iran.’ What do you say?”
This is the way media adds their heavy 2 cents to the illegal war,racism and immorlaity on behalf of Israel. Before the TV screen changes to another pious platitudes about the remarkable US-Israeli reamtionship based on shared values and Judeo-Christianity, American have already concluded who is the bad guy threatening US by threatening Israel.
Didi
October 24th, 2012 at 5:38 am
The Israel-Iran fluff is a smokescreen to hide the takeover of all of the West Bank by Israel. That and nothing else is the reason why the words State of Palestine and Palestinians was never ever uttered by these two dissemblers. They both know what is going on in the former Mandate of Palestine and were fearful that any question in that direction would be asked. They did not have to fear because dried-up octogenarian Schaeffer also knew that such questions ought not to be asked.
omop
October 24th, 2012 at 5:38 am
Mr. Giraldi do not give up yet. Found this on another website….
No More Israel in 10 Years
by Stephen Lendman
On September 17, the New York Post quoted Henry Kissinger saying:
"In 10 years, there will be no more Israel. I repeat: In 10 years, there will be no more Israel."
He didn't mean Israel will self-destruct or collapse. His view mirrors the combined assessment of 16 US intelligence agencies. Months earlier, its report headlined "Preparing For A Post Israel Middle East." It wasn’t released publicly so no link.
Ben_C
October 24th, 2012 at 5:47 am
What's your "proof" of that? Assad's wife's shopping habits which were "exposed", or Obama's direct extrajudicial "killing" of US Citizens without due process…people who were half way around the world…
I just want specifics…and I will consider this "statement" 'objectively' when actual "FACTS" are put forward….
Jeremiah
October 24th, 2012 at 6:09 am
And this lesson in alternative geography was brought to you by the same man who thinks enriched "fissile material" is a must for making a "dirty bomb." When the overlords are this fantastically freaking stupid, what does it say about the average voting serf? I really don't know whether I should be laughing, weeping or losing my lunch right now. But I *do* know that we are all royally screwed, no matter which of these two devil-clowns triumphs in November.
Chris Condon
October 24th, 2012 at 6:14 am
Up to now the United States has always stood by Israel and has guaranteed its security and continued existence. But the United States is about to collapse as a world power, and soon Israel will be out on its own, which may explain why some in Israel are so eager for war with Iran and Israel's other enemies. They know that they need the United States to pull it off, and they also know that the United States is almost washed up as a world power.
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tom dee
October 24th, 2012 at 6:35 am
The people of Gaza did not vote for the Israel puppet so the are starved and bombed. "democracy" has a different meaning when you have a nuclear bomb and a navy any you cannot feed you children. The zionist ran off the majority of the arabs and then declared that they were a democracy. Election mean nothing in the middle east. In 1954 Ben Gerion had meeting on if Israel was going to actively get involved in Syria, west bank and Lebanon. Ben Gurion decided to stick with his planned war with Egypt. There is no democracy in the middle east and that includes the nuclear armed religion, One has to wonder why God the almighty would pick a group who needs nuclear weapons even when fully protected by the USA
Chris Condon
October 24th, 2012 at 6:47 am
I agree that Romney will probably win, but don't be so sure that he will turn out to be a warmonger. The foreign policy of an incoming president is notoriously difficult to predict. No one expected either Bush Sr. or Bush Jr. to be as hawkish as they were. When Nixon became president, many people thought he would bomb the rest of the world back to the Stone Age and start WWIII, but it didn't happen. Reagan was also expected to be very hawkish, but turned out differently. As for Romney, we will just have to wait and see. I wouldn't bet a nickel on anyone's prognostications now.
Gera Rosy
October 24th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Another of my simplistic solutions- deport the two traitors Romney and Obama to Israel before conducting a preemptive strike there.
secular humanist
October 24th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Romney… Israel….. religion…..God?
Are we talking about the same male God who, according the Old Testament, came down from the sky and wrestled with Jacob…….and lost!!!
Ever thought nearly all of the top analytical thinkers of our time and all the great scientists who have revolutionized our societies consider ‘god’ as the most absurd idea prevalent among common humans?
Bush was praying in White House everyday…..God told him to go to Iraq?
Bibi has likened Iran with Amalek
God’s instructions for dealing with Amalekites is:
“Go now and fall upon the Amalekites and destroy them, and put their property under ban. Spare no one; put them all to death, men and women, children and babes in arms, herds and flocks, camels and donkeys”. (1 Samuel 15:3,4)
Is Romney going to obey God?
Phillip is a smart knowledgeable soul……his worries about Romney are well justified.
Dutch
October 24th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Many great points in this article but its all digression at the end of the day. To be sure, Israel has no real power over us or the extreme loyalty these candidates tout. They are a means to an end. The squeaky wheel that we're happy to oil.
In case none of you have noticed, the American economy has been outsourced to the Middle East. While some 15% of Americans are unemployed or have given up, some half a million new jobs or more have been created in the middle east in the military, private security, and infrastructure contractors. OUR money is being funneled to the military and contractors in this region, which serves no real purpose to us. And the payoff is that oil companies, and others with government ties (Halliburton, Blackstone, etc) rake in record profits and line their pockets while we absorb their opportunity costs in the form of military spending and troop lives. The military has become an exploration operation for business opportunities for these few connected megacorps, all funded by taxpayer dollars with nary a dollar being returned to us.
Israel's problems, and our pledged allegiance to their cause is simply an opportunistic play for a backdrop behind which to perpetuate this sequence. The only allegiance is to perpetuating this ruse and we're all in on any aspects of Israels plight that afford that opportunity. But there is no humanitarian effort, loyalty, or shared interest involved. Only an opportunity to exploit for as long as this region remains in conflict, a situation we are actively engaged in perpetuating, with Israel as our favorite chess piece. If they suddenly discovered a trillion barrels of oil under Uganda tomorrow, Israel would quickly be forgotten and we'd be Uganda's closest ally, and enemy to whatever country lies between Uganda and the nearest seaport. You've been watching too many debates if you can't see this clear reality. The military industrial complex is the US's fastest (and perhaps only) growing economic sector, despite any demand, startup capital, or profit sharing. We simply foot the bill, while they force their way into foreign lands, set up shop, and keep the upside. All at the expense of our domestic economy and civil liberty.
Kolya_Krassotkin
October 24th, 2012 at 7:58 am
Thanks for mentioning this, Justin. So much proof devoted to the discussion of Israel's welfare is proof that the United States is now unhealthily close to her. How can we have an independent foreign policy, concerned for the interests of the citizens of the US, when our "leaders" put those of a foreign power, if not first, at least on the same level?
Kolya_Krassotkin
October 24th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Uh, bil, Turkey is a NATO member, therefore we have a legal obligation to come to Turkey's defense if she's attacked. No such mutual defense treaty between the US and Israel exists.
Think before you post next time.
John Uebersax
October 24th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Thanks for this, Justin! My very thoughts during the debate were "I wish someone would count how many times the candidates sucked up to AIPAC".
Anna
October 24th, 2012 at 8:54 am
There were four debates– three with Obama and Romney, one with Biden and Ryan…
Stefan Reich
October 24th, 2012 at 9:44 am
People: There will be revolution at the end of 2012.
It doesn't matter a god damn bit who of the two idiots will be "elected" before that.
John V. Walsh
October 24th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Et tu Phil.
It seems you are designating Obomba as the lesser evil, as Daniel Ellsberg did the other day falling in line with other PDA types.
More accurate is Glen Ford's (of Black Agenda Report) designation of Obomba as "the more effective evil." The likelihood is that Romney will govern as Obomba has – ObomneyCare says it all.
But if there are to be any surprises that move us away from war, they sure won't come from Obomba.
TigerSF
October 24th, 2012 at 10:39 am
It's really embarrassing and disheartening, as an American, to see our two presidential candidates, falling over each other, publicly and on television, pledging their absolute allegiance to a foreign country, Israel. It's not even done subtly, but rather in a manner that makes any informed American feel like voting for a candidate who'll do a better job of serving Israel, not America. Ironically, China, one of our most important trade partners, one which we owed trillions of dollars, is made the enemy. Makes sense doesn't it? Our aid to Israel amounts to $44,000 annually to every man and woman and child. It's not a healthy relationship between U.S. and Israel. It's a fatal attraction forged by AIPAC and serves neither well. Propping Israel is no different from propping Egypt under Mubarak. Sooner or later "spring revolution" will spread like wildfire in Israel and even here at home.
peter vojta
October 24th, 2012 at 10:44 am
How to coment such a events of displayed obedience to Masters? They both should be jailed now!!! as trators and not as a future presidents…
Fulfilment of "Protocols of Elders of Zion"…..mankind on the road to disaster……slavery and wars ahead …. peter czech
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Mike
October 24th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Another idiot that doesn't get it.
Mike
October 24th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
I hope your post was sarcasm. If not then what the hell planet have you been living on?
Crypt
October 24th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Well, we just had the Protocols of the Elders Of Zion quoted, so this site must be nothing but the truth. Such high, critical thinking skills. 'King Bibi'? LOL! Same age-old canards about Jewish control. Don't forget to discuss Rothchilds, Fed Reserve, Freemasons, and, of course, cooking up Gentile kids to make Matza. Can't forget that one.
Jesus!……
Mike
October 24th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Nah, the Japanese didn't start WWII. That was just regional conflict between Japan and China. Sorry but the Allies made it a WORLD war.
San Fernando Curt
October 24th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Evidently that golden book delivered to Joseph Smith wasn't an Atlas.
Outsider
October 24th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I agree, Mike, though most people will think you're full of it. For context, I recommend Pat Buchanan's "Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War." His thesis,if I have it right, is that the UK pretty much assured a World War when it gave Poland a guarantee that they would come to her defense if Hitler tried to recapture some of Germany's lost territory after WW1. The region in question contained mostly native Germans who wanted to return to Germany. If England had not made this blunder, perhaps, per Buchanan, Hitler would have just set his signts on the USSR, which, to him, was always the real enemy. Thus a major regional war but not a world war.
Phil Giraldi
October 24th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
John – check out the report card I gave Obama last week – four Fs. Lesser evil is playing with words. Both Romney and Obama are evil.
Outsider
October 24th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Most of the debate (I don't know why, but I watched the whole sorry thing) put me into a daze. However, I did perk up briefly when corporate-raider Romney proposed indicting Ahmadinejad for just saying bad things about Israel. (Justin's column referred to this). I guess he committed a 'thought crime.' How does this compare to the thought crimes of King Bibi or the ACTUAL war crimes of GWB and company? (Yes, Bush II was MUCH worse than Obama)!
BTW, I hope that Mr Giraldi's prediction that Romney will win is wrong. Either way, our formerly 'United" States is headed for crack-up.
Boston Joe
October 24th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
"It’s none other than Sen. Paul who sponsored a bill to defund Pakistan, Egypt, and Libya, and whose political action committee — RandPac — is running ads against West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin showing mobs of screaming Muslims burning the American flag: “Joe Manchin is against cutting aid to countries that burn our flag, and storm our embassies,” the ad intones. (Sen. Paul originally came out against aid to Israel as well, but has apparently backed off that one)."
This apple fell very far from the tree and is now rotting ……..
Jane
October 24th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Hey Bil, Israel is NOT about to be attacked-so for God's sake, quit whining and lay off the Zionist propaganda koolaid! It is ISRAEL that has attacked all of its neighbors in the sixty-odd years of its existence. And the US has been protecting and financially supporting Israel since its inception. Unlike the other countries you mentioned, Israel is NOT a member of NATO (thank God for small mercies) and therefore, NATO is under no obligation to protect them. If Israel winds up getting attacked, it will probably not be by the Iranians unless it's to defend themselves against a preemptive Israeli attack. More than likely, it will be by one or two of the other nuclear armed nations in the world who may find it necessary to clean up the mess that the US has made in the ME by its undying and frankly, dangerous support of this rogue and belligerent "state" and to protect their own strategic interests in the region.
Andrew
October 24th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Who wants to vote for a PROFESSIONAL KILLER?
brzezinski said: The US cannot afford to wage war anymore, and has to change its foreign policy if wants to survive. He said: we have to have a literate population that understands the world to prevent war. When majority of people still do not know where is Iraq that they have destroyed and have killed their children, then they are too dumb to understand anything. He said: Americans are gullible. As long as people are gullible they continue to vote for the professional killers. Brzezinski said America has no legitimacy and is hated in the greater Middle East and around the world. People are not interested in a black killer or a white killer. They need a leader to direct an illiterate 'nation'.
Jane
October 24th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
They may also see the necessity of attacking the West. These strikes will probably be confined to nuclear sites in the US and the nuclear installation in the UK – more than likely avoiding major Western cities and civilian targets .
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Lyn
October 24th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
I don't need to thumb you down. You're doing an exceptional job of that all on your own. By the way, I am a woman and you madam, make me feel ashamed to share the same gender. You are one twisted sister.
moe7
October 24th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
" And finally, did anybody notice Schieffer’s opening stumble?:
“Good evening from the campus of Lynn University here in Boca Raton, Florida. This is the fourth and last debate of the 2012 campaign.”
There have been only three debates: it only seems like more…."
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3 Presidential + 1 VP debate = 4 by my count.
Jan Burton
October 24th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
·Who drop the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which killed 166,000 people in Hiroshima and 80,000 in Nagasaki? Muslims?
——–
About the only numbers you got even remotely correct.
What history books did you consult for this nonsense of 180 million Africans or 100 million NA natives, 20 million Aussie natives, etc?
How many people do you think have died in Iraq since 2003? 75 million?
Lyn
October 24th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Something or someone just deleted the rest of your post while I was reading it….about Amakele I believe…could you repost it?
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Steve
October 25th, 2012 at 4:55 am
Something nags at the back of my mind that tends to lead me to suspect that Chris Condon's doubts about Romney, should he win, becoming a war monger and starting WW3 might be right.
Here is why I believe that, up to a certain point. The top ranking, most experienced people in the U.S. military are profoundly opposed to starting any war with Iran. If we all recall, near the end of the Bush Administration – the vile and despicably evil Dick Cheney was pulling every trick he possibly could to initiate an excuse to attack Iran. I'm recalling that bizarre and pretty scary story about the nukes that somehow came up 'missing' during what was claimed to be some kind of routine transfer from one base to another, inside the continental USA. A story which became even more bizarre when some, or all, of the Air Force personnel involved met with mysteriously early trips to the morgue. Anyway, none of those Cheney efforts were sufficient to get a war with Iran going. At the time, some analysts were speculating that Bush himself had decided to listen to, and heed, the advice of his military for a change and they were telling him to tell Cheney to go take a hike. Perhaps this is true, or maybe not.
At any rate, the same military expertise that dissuaded Bush from starting a war with Iran has apparently been also able to penetrate the skull of Obama, who has also heeded their advice to not start any war with Iran. Remember, once a guy is in the prez seat – he is forced to attended briefings on a regular basis, and those briefings include very in-depth intelligence and military oriented information, complete with slide presentations, graphs, charts, and also scientific data which outlines the catastrophic consequences of a global or, even regional, thermo-nuclear war, complete with detailed hypothesizes regarding the resulting radiation contamination and resulting spread of that radiation around the entire planet.
On the campaign trail, a politician can shoot his mouth off and say all kinds of macho-sounding, war mongering garbage – but, at that point, he or she isn't privy to the intense
military briefings that they will most certainly be required to listen to, should they assume the office of president. This principle, I think, can be applied to Mitt Romney.
Ah, but there is one very scary fly in the ointment that I must point out and which could very easily affect this issue. For those of us who've been paying close attention to such matters, and for those of us who read an occasional copy of The Military Times newspaper – we will have noticed a very, very alarming number of very high ranking military people – who have and who are, mysteriously being purged from the ranks of our military infrastructure. The incidents which are cited as the primary reasons for these purges are usually along the lines of the discovery and 'exposure' of some violation of Political Correctness, i.e., Cultural Marxism by these high ranking military officers. In effect, what i suspect might be going on here – is that there are neo-con forces who are using all of these high tech, clearly unconstitutional new surveillance powers to track and monitor military officers who are known to be opponents of the neo-con desire to start a war with Iran. One by one, there seems to be a systematic, organized and deliberate effort to remove these obstacles and to replace them with people who are more likely to go along with the war mongering agenda.
I will admit that I have no proof of what I am saying, but I most certainly have learned how to read the laces on most neo-con fast-balls, and my instincts are telling me that this is what might be going on. Remember, the ADL is nothing more than a U.S. based intelligence and dirt gathering organizational arm of the Israeli MOSSAD, and this outfit specializes in the surveillance and collection of material on anyone, be they a politician or a private citizen or people inside our military – if said individual is viewed as a threat or obstacle to the advancement of the agenda of the neo-cons and/or the Israel Lobby.
One final concern that I have, with regards to the possibility that Romney will win and then, once in office, be persuaded by his military advisors to not start any war with Iran. Romney has been showered with an enormous amount of money that has come from the pockets of the international war mongering, blood-thirsty, crime syndicate that is headquartered in Israel. Taking money from the mob, who gave you that money for the specific purpose of buying themselves a politician who will give them the war that they want – and then, once elected, deciding to not deliver that war – is not going to sit well with the gangsters.
In fact, this scenario reminds me quite a bit about how once JFK got elected, and appointed RFK as his attorney general – and then, RFK decides to launch a offensive action against organized crime. We all know how that turned out for both of these guys, right?
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james
October 25th, 2012 at 10:39 am
El Tonto,
I loved that song but love your lyrics better.
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