In the first exchange of the presidential election season over foreign policy issues, the neocons — in the person of GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan — got creamed. That’s the good news.
The bad news is that Ryan got creamed by Joe Biden — who serves in an administration that is pursuing each and every one of the neocons’ policy goals, and doing a much better job of it than George W. Bush ever did.
Ah, but these days we must take our pleasures where we find them, and who can deny it was fun watching the amateurish Ryan stammer as he tried to remember the talking points the neocons had drilled him on. One fully expected his ears to start fluttering and helicopter him outta there. Martha Raddatz, a respected reporter who specializes in the Middle East, moderated and her first question was about Libya: wasn’t this a “massive intelligence failure” on the part of the administration?
If you’ll recall, the administration — in the person of UN ambassador Susan Rice — first came out with a statement attributing the Benghazi attack to a protest over the “Innocence” video that got out of hand. And my regular readers will further recall that I said the administration would soon backtrack on this, which they did. And you’ll note Biden didn’t say the attack was pre-planned: he just brushed the question aside, went on the offensive against Romney — whose premature public statement on Benghazi was patently unpresidential — and signaled his strategy with a very effective concluding statement: “The last thing we need is another war.”
That’s because both Romney and Ryan believe the first thing we need is another war, despite Ryan’s protestations at the debate. In his answer to Biden, Ryan sighed and whined like an undergraduate arguing with his professor over a failed grade: well sure “we agreed with the Obama administration” on getting out of Iraq, except … they didn’t. Because, you see, Washington “failed to get a Status of Forces agreement.”
Is Ryan suggesting we should have somehow forced the Iraqis to sign the agreement? It’s not clear, nor is it clear what the differences are on Afghanistan, where, Ryan averred, “we agree with a 2014 transition” — except, we really don’t, because, you see, “we also want to … make sure that we’re not projecting weakness abroad, and that’s what’s happening here.”
Translation: You need a microscope to discover the differences between the two tickets on these issues.
Asked about how appropriate it was for Governor Romney to accuse the President of “weakness” and making “apologies,” as Raddatz put it, “right in the middle of the crisis,” Ryan evaded the question, denounced the lack of security at the Benghazi consulate, said we should have spoken out in support of Iran’s “Green Revolution,” accused the administration of describing Bashar al-Assad as a “reformer,” and decried “devastating defense cuts.” The doe-eyed Republican pin-up boy probably has no idea the leaders of Iran’s “Green Revolution” have the same position on the nuclear issue as the ayatollahs: his neocon handlers probably thought this tidbit might complicate the narrative unnecessarily.
Biden’s answer was nearly an early knockout blow, as he informed the audience Ryan had voted to cut $300 million from the embassy security budget — “so much for the embassy security piece,” he said with a smile. I almost felt sorry for Ryan: he looked like a student being lectured by his professor on the subject of why one always ought to do one’s homework.
And he obviously didn’t do his homework, falsely accusing the administration of not sanctioning Iran’s central bank: Biden went after him on that one, bragging about how these are the “harshest” sanctions against Iran — or any country — ever. Desperate to score points, Ryan even cited the alleged “terrorist attack” against the Saudi ambassador supposedly planned by a used car salesman in the US in conjunction with the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Of course, the fact that the accused man, one Mansoor Arbabsiar, has been diagnosed with a mental illness may cause serious people to take the charges less … seriously. There was one Bizarro World moment when Ryan’s confusion was particularly apparent as he demanded that the “military option” against Iran be put “on the table” even as he averred that “the key is to do this peacefully.”
Huh?
Here we come to the crux of the matter: Romney-Ryan say the Obama administration is projecting “weakness,” that they are letting the Iranians get away with assembling the components of a nuclear weapon, and that they aren’t doing enough to stop it. So what do they want? Biden went for the jugular:
“When Governor Romney’s asked about it, he said, we got to keep these sanctions. When they said, well, you’re talking about doing more, what are you — are you — you’re going to go to war? Is that you want to do now?”
“We want to prevent war!” said Ryan, but it wasn’t very convincing: his mouth spoke peace, but his eyes told a different story. In that moment he looked like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Biden performed a real public service as he patiently explained that the mere possession of “fissile material” does not equal having a bomb: although he felt obligated to include the Israelis when describing the official assessment of how far along the Iranians are in the process, the reality is that our own intelligence community has consistently said the Iranians gave up their nuclear weapons program in 2003, and they have yet to revise that opinion (in spite of lots of pressure to do so).
Ryan’s answer to this was “they are spinning the centrifuges faster” — a nonsensical statement that means nothing. At which point one began to wonder: is this really the man Republicans want to put one heartbeat away from the presidency?
When Raddatz quoted Robert Gates, former defense secretary, that war with Iran could prove catastrophic — and could “haunt us for generations” — Ryan ignored the question, and went on to denounce alleged cuts in military spending, which are in reality only cuts in projected increases. Ryan also said we’ve got the smallest navy we’ve had since World War I — yet it’s ridiculous to measure our naval readiness in the number of ships, ignoring their capabilities. How much sense does it make to compare World War I frigates with nuclear powered submarines and aircraft carriers?
When the conversation turned to Afghanistan, Ryan agreed with the 2014 withdrawal date — but saying so advertises “weakness” to our enemies, and so he wouldn’t make it public. The Obama administration, by withdrawing troops during the fighting season, was making a “political” decision, and our remaining troops, he claimed, are “less safe.” Biden had a great answer for this:
“What we’ve found out — and we — you — you saw it in Iraq, Martha. Unless you set a timeline, Baghdad in the case of Iraq and — and Kabul in the case of Afghanistan will not step up. They’re happy to let us continue to do the job — international security forces to do the job. The only way they step up is say, fellas, we’re leaving; we’ve trained you; step up. Step up.”
Ryan had no answer to this because it is such a politically potent argument: the American people want out of Afghanistan. They are sick and tired of fighting other peoples’ wars. Step up — step up and take responsibility for your own life: that sounds like a Republican-style message, and yet the Vice President was the one making it.
Raddatz brought up Syria, and again Ryan tried desperately to carve out some real differences between his position and the administration’s — to little avail. Biden assured him the Obama administration is sending “humanitarian and other aid” to the rebels, and asked again if Ryan would prefer going to war with US troops on the ground. Ryan denied that, but struggled to define how he and Romney would do things differently.
Ryan stumbled over the answer to that question because a Romney administration wouldn’t deviate from Obama’s script all that much: rhetorically, we might strike a few more poses, but in reality the differences would be nearly undetectable. That’s because the War Party dominates both parties to such an extent that there is no real debate on foreign policy this election season — and there hasn’t been since the Vietnam war era. Obama is merely continuing, with a few unimportant variations, the same policy of global hegemonism and regime change in the Middle East that his predecessor began a decade ago.
The only difference is rhetorical — and, in politics, that makes all the difference. Biden spoke for a warmongering administration in the language of peace, while Ryan spoke for a campaign that wants to “prevent war” in the language of irreconcilable conflict.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
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- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





Steve H.
October 14th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
If one were depressed by the caliber of presidential candidates this year, I give you their VP candidates. They are both clueless. They couldn't possibly have any means of providing a coherent foreign policy prescription, as neither knows the first thing about the subject.
America is so very screwed. Time to buy gold and wait out the collapse. It's coming soon.
The good news is that the ridiculous American empire ceases to exist when it happens.
MvGuy
October 14th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
I'm with you Steve H….!!!
@undefined
October 14th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
poll data seems to show that Biden won but on points – not a knockout in the perception of the viewers … which points out that viewers are rather dumbed-down on the facts or Biden would clearly be declared the victor … and that the Fox News bubble whereby Repugs and "conservatives" keep their heads in the like-minded echo-chamber of right-wing blogs/radio/think-tanks/tv cable news makes them immune to facts
davidgrayling
October 14th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
It was a farce: the kid who was green behind the ears and the elderly man who thought that sneering was a good look.
God help the U.S.. With potential Presidents and Vice-Presidents like these who knows how low it can go!
mickperry
October 15th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Or as President Correa put it; there is a greater difference between what he's thinking in the morning and what he's thinking in the evening than any differences which exist between the policies of these two parties. Shameful.
Mark
October 15th, 2012 at 4:17 am
One can only dream what it would have been like had Judge Napolitano, Ron Paul's VP pick, had been on the stage…yes, it's only a dream…let the nightmare continue…
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Didi
October 15th, 2012 at 5:21 am
Ryan: Because, you see, Washington “failed to get a Status of Forces agreement.”
VP Biden flubbed that one. He should have pointed out that it was the Republicans in Congress who forcefully told President Obama not to give in on the issue of immunity which was probably the casus belli for the Iraqi's to give a sigh of relief and say no.
However, a problem for the Obama administration would then have been that its mantra "President Obama ended the war in Iraq" would have been exposed for the sham it is. President Obama wanted to keep US soldiers in Iraq after December 31, 2011. He wanted to continue the de-facto occupation of Iraq. In the spring and summer of 2008 I called him a neo-imperialist. He still is albeit muted by the disaster that Libya has become. According to a reporter in the New York Times: "Libya is a lawless country". That is what Syria will become if the jihadists there win.
Few people know that Syria is the only "Moslem" state in the region whose constitution does not contain the clause that Islam is the state-religion. That will change when the jihadists win with terrible consequences for people of all other religions in the country. The wealthy ones among them will flee from Syria which will become an economic backwater dependent on the good will of Turkey, which is precisely what Turkey is after.
Our neo-imperialist in Washington has big, big problems which were averted during the debate owing to a silly moderator.
richard vajs
October 15th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Although, I won't vote for Obama or Romney, I am not afraid of VP Candidate Ryan's ignorance. I remember those years 2001 – 2008, when America was led by a certified idiot and gamg of psychopaths. The handbasket heading for Hell that we are all in, accelerated to terminal velocity then and Obama never touched the brakes nor will Romney.
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Jaime
October 15th, 2012 at 7:50 am
The problem with Ryan is that he's doomed by his ideology. What else can he say if Obama is already carrying out what any right-wing government would? I feel relieved knowing that the Empire has such "fine" leaders in both parties, which are no more than the Cosa Nostra.
Generalissimo X
October 15th, 2012 at 8:50 am
ahh paul ryan. he's nothing but count romula's igor. shuffling around bleating 'master, master, i have a voucher master! yesssss, a voucher! do we get to nuke iran and kick old people to the curb today yet master?" 'not yet, igor, but soon!" ah ha ha.
some "debate"..smiley mchairplug vs. igor. well i guess it beats darth cheney.
mickperry
October 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am
And just like that old insult to language itself, the 'Soviet Union', millions will suffer desperate distress after its collapse; a reality assured by this earlier example to pass by unnoticed and unobserved by the world's media.
The new 'post collapse' system in the US though will be strikingly similar to the old one, again, just the same in fact as what took place in the Soviet Empire.
The major change in any 'post US empire' scenario is likely to be that government carries even less pretence for observing any rule of law, with criminal oligarchs more brazenly imposing their will upon an entirely subjugated people, both at home and abroad.
And globalisation marches on.
Welcome to the third world then white america.
Buy gold if you can, or else go out and dig for it.
richard vajs
October 15th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
If you are going to trust in gold, please be discreet or at least deal with those who also have gold. My Dad told me that back during the Great Depression, if you were thought to have hoarded gold, you could count on having your yard dug up or your mattress searched while you were gone from your place. In what I envision as our future, walking around a marketplace full of hungry, drooling onlookers, flashing gold, will probably only yield you a nasty bump on your head as soon as your back is turned.
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Chrysostom
October 15th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Biden mostly talks trash but he made more sense than Ryan re Iran's limited nuclear bomb threat.
For that matter even Ahmadinijad says Iran would be foolish to "take-on" USA with our 5000+ nuclear weapons not to mention Israel with 3- 400 hundred of them and their Samson option.
BIN SAFI
October 15th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Let US NOT forget, that we're talking about both sides of the: SAME Coin!
The ONLY Choice On Offer, is between BAD & WORSE!!
Many of US, have Concluded (LONG-AGO) that there Has-2-Be a BETTER-WAY!!!
Peace, Love & Respect.
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Mohammed
October 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
I like the answer of this German Scholar when he was asked about terrorism and Islam: He said:
·Who started the First World War, which killed 37 million and injured 22, 379, 053 that includes 7 million civilians?Muslims?
·Who started the Second World War, which killed over 60 million, which was over 2.5% of the world population?Muslims?
·Who killed about 20 million of Aborigines in Australia? Muslims?
·Who drop the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which killed 166,000 people in Hiroshima and 80,000 in Nagasaki? Muslims?
·Who killed more than 100 million Red Indians in North America?Muslims?
·Who killed more than 50 million Indian in South America?Muslims?
·Who took about 180 million African people as slaves and when 88% of them died, threw them into the Atlantic Ocean?Muslims?
NO
They weren’t Muslims! First of all, you have to define terrorism properly…. If a non-Muslim does something bad… it is crime. But if a Muslim commits the same, he is a terrorist. So first remove the double standard… then come to the point.
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