What Does Ron Paul Want?
More than the White House, he wants a movement primed for victory
This is the question puzzling Paul’s friends, as well as his enemies. A recent announcement by the campaign that the anti-interventionist Congressman and presidential candidate is not spending money in the remaining primary states provoked a Drudge headline: "Paul Out." That is the GOP Establishment’s fondest wish, but the reality is that Paul is far from "out": his campaign is merely recalibrating its tactics, concentrating on getting delegates through the complicated and often arcane process of party caucuses and state conventions. In short, Paul is pursuing the very same strategy he’s been talking about since Day One of his remarkably successful campaign: harnessing the enthusiasm and discipline of his supporters to enter a basically hostile entity – the pro-war, pro-Big Government Republican party – and challenging the Powers That Be.
There has been all kinds of loose talk about a "deal" being struck with the Romneyites, an impression pushed by the "mainstream" media and other clueless individuals who know little or nothing of Ron and imagine he’s just another politician. They are wrong. There will be no endorsement of Mitt Romney, and, because of that, no quarter will be given – or is being given – to Paulians intent on embedding themselves within the Grand Old Party.
The "go local" strategy of the Paul camp has recently met with a string of high profile successes: they took over the party in Alaska, Nevada, Iowa, Minnesota, Maine, and Colorado, and their delegate count is skyrocketing. Precinct by precinct, county by county, state by state, the Ron Paul Revolution is racking up victories – and the Romneyites are in a panic. Due to that panic, they are employing hard-line tactics, often simply closing down local conventions when it becomes clear the Paulians have a majority. They cut off the microphones, call the cops, and whine that the insurgents are "disrupting" a process the party bosses have controlled for as long as anyone can remember. At one point, attendees at a state Republican convention saw the walls literally closing in on them, as Rachel Maddow reported in a segment on MSNBC.
Using force, fraud, and their friends in the media, the Romneyites are determined to block Paul and his movement from having any visibility at the August national GOP convention, to be held in Tampa, Florida. What they want is a coronation: what they will get is a full-blown insurgency in their midst.
The key tactical question is this: will the Establishment even allow Paul’s name to be placed in nomination? GOP rules requires that, in order to do so, the Paul camp must have a plurality of the delegates in at least five states. Given the series of Paul victories at the local level, one would think this threshold has already been reached – but that’s not at all clear, given two factors. The first is that, in some states where the Paulians took control of the proceedings, many of those delegates legally bound to vote for Romney on the first ballot are actually Paul supporters. If they rebel in Tampa, however, there’s no telling what might happen. There seems to be no rule forbidding them from abstaining on the first ballot, and that, in itself, would be a very visible and powerful protest – precisely the sort of dissent the Romneyites justifiably fear.
The second factor is the attitude of the Romney camp. Relatively good personal relations between Romney and Paul to the contrary notwithstanding, top officials in the Romney campaign are reportedly taking a hard line against the Paulians – and are disinclined to allow Paul to even be nominated from the floor. Although by the time the party convenes in Tampa Romney will presumably attain the magic number of delegates required for nomination, even the formality of allowing opposition to manifest itself during the proceedings could cause a stampede – like a bank run. Conservatives have been very reluctant to get on the Romney bandwagon and make their peace with the Flip-Flopper, and the sight of open resistance could be the spark that sets off a prairie fire. You can’t blame them for not wanting to take that chance – which is why I believe the anti-Paul hard-liners in the Romney camp will prevail over the more reasonable types who don’t want to unduly alienate the Paulistas. Forget the formal rules, forget parliamentary procedure – the Romneyites are ready to throw out the rule book and take organizational measures against the last gasp of dissent within the party.
If that happens – if the Romneyites lock out the Paul people, and refuse to permit Ron’s name to be entered in nomination – there is going to be trouble in Tampa. Given the security arrangements, and the volatile atmosphere, it won’t take much for the GOP Establishment to play their favorite trump card: brute force. They’ve done it at several Republican state conventions, when the Paulians turned out in such numbers as to constitute a majority, and they certainly won’t hesitate to do so on the national stage.
I don’t envy the Paul delegates. Given the highly militarized "security" being prepared for the convention, Tampa will be swarming with cops, Homeland Security thugs, and private agents provocateurs, all just itching for an incident – a defining moment, if you will – that will frame the Paulians as kooky disruptors and assert Romney’s hegemony over the party in a symbolic – and violent – way. I wouldn’t be surprised if even the act of wearing a Paul button is grounds for harassing delegates and their guests. Anyone who acts or looks out of place, who isn’t wearing a suit and tie and exhibits other tell-tale signs of not having the correct political leanings is bound to find themselves under intense scrutiny, and worse.
Ron Paul’s revolution has been so successful because the GOP Establishment it is fighting is intellectually bankrupt and politically hollow: the neoconservatives who dominate the party’s "idea shop" are basically hostile to the radical anti-government elements on the rise in the GOP, and Romney has zero grassroots support. This is why the Paulians have been able to easily overwhelm the party Establishment at the level of local and state conventions. What makes the Romneyites hopping mad is that the genuine passion generated by the Paul movement underscores the utter emptiness of their candidate and the party apparatus. That the Romney campaign has had to resort to fraud – ballot-box stuffing, distributing phony lists of delegate slates, abruptly adjourning when they’re outnumbered – has been amply documented by Paul’s supporters: this particularly riles the Romneyites because it shows the lack of character in their candidate and his campaign.
Eager to get on to the main business of seizing power from Barack Obama, the Romney people are impatient with this business of party democracy – and they can be expected to short circuit the rules in order to brush Paul and his supporters aside. As I said above: there’s going to be trouble in Tampa – not only outside the fortress-like compound in which the proceedings will take place, on the streets, where protesters of every stripe are expected in full force, but in the inner sanctum itself.
With all this drama building to a crescendo in August, Ron Paul is taking the long view – he’s said this at every turn. What Romney’s strategists, the media, and the party Establishment don’t get is that what they’re dealing with here is not a political campaign but a political movement. Campaigns culminate in either victory or defeat: they have a beginning, a middle, and an end. Ideological movements, on the other hand, develop over a longer period of time, and evolve in response to changing circumstances.
The movement currently energized by Paul’s candidacy has been a part of the Republican coalition since the early 1990s: it is a movement that, as Paul has often pointed out, traces its roots back to the days when Sen. Robert A. Taft earned the sobriquet "Mr. Republican." Contrary to what the Washington pundits will tell you, the modern GOP has had an anti-interventionist wing since the first Gulf war, when Pat Buchanan and his supporters wondered aloud if the Emir of Kuwait’s throne was worth the life of a single American soldier. The movement was small back then, but – like today – both vocal and energetic. A libertarian contingent led by Murray Rothbard and his followers, who had left the Libertarian Party, provided much of the ideological and tactical rationale for this early manifestation of the Paulian tendency in the GOP. Indeed, in 1992, Paul was getting ready to enter the Republican presidential primary but stepped aside when he got word of Buchanan’s decision to launch a White House bid.
Paul’s 2012 campaign is a watershed for this movement: the Good Doctor has expanded its numbers and influence far beyond what any of us imagined possible back in the day. The scope and significance of his political achievement is literally a dream come true – and the dream will not die in Tampa. Far from it. The movement led by Paul will continue in many forms, and not only in the world of pure politics.
This web site, for one, is a key part of one important aspect of the broad anti-interventionist/pro-civil liberties/"anti-government" movement – it’s intellectual and journalistic manifestation. A movement has many moving parts, which are usually not organizationally connected: as in the market economy, the marketplace for ideas is ruled by the need for a division of labor. There are the political actors, the thinktanks, the activist organizations: some are local phenomena, others have national – and even international – scope. Most specialize in domestic policy issues: the Federal Reserve, tax policy, the preservation of civil liberties. Antiwar.com is the only "movement" institution that focuses on the foreign policy realm.
The irony here is that Paul himself emphasizes his anti-interventionist foreign policy views at every opportunity. One of the charming things about watching him in action is his penchant for going off on a riff about the costs of war in Afghanistan when he’s asked how we solve the debt crisis. Paul’s answer is invariably: get rid of the Empire! It’s fun to watch the Washington pundits look nonplussed whenever he refers to "the Empire." Yes, you can hear the capitalization in his ironic tone of voice.
Paul has made an important concession for a libertarian, and that is his pledge to refrain from cutting domestic welfare programs on which the most vulnerable members of our society have come to depend. His budget proposal – cutting $1 trillion in the first year – depends heavily on cuts in the military, "foreign aid," and other instruments of our hegemonic foreign policy.
The reason is not just tactical: it is ideological. Because Paul — like his friend and mentor Murray Rothbard, the libertarian economist and theorist who died in 1995 — understands that war is the motor that runs the turbine of growing government power. It is in wartime that the power of the State takes a "great leap forward," and, in the holy name of "national security," overpowers the private sector and the realm of freedom.
This is the major reason why a Paul endorsement of Romney is inconceivable: every time Paul has been asked about this question he’s brought up the foreign policy issue right off the bat. No public figure in sight understands more clearly than Paul what an absolute disaster an American attack on Iran would be, and it is therefore impossible to conjure a scenario that includes Paul endorsing a man who criticizes the President for even keeping up the pretense of negotiating with Tehran.
What does Ron Paul want? In the short term, the goals of the campaign are an unknown, and indeed that’s good strategy. Why let your opponents know what you’re up to in advance? As I pointed out, the risks of the Paulians showing their hand too soon could have serious consequences in Tampa. Yet all this talk of platform planks, a prime time speaking spot for either Paul or his son, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky), or some such palliative is beside the point – because the point is the long term strategy of the movement, not the day-to-day twists and turns of the narrative.
In the long term, the Paulians are building the political and intellectual infrastructure that is the scaffolding of any successful movement. Antiwar.com has played an important part in that unfolding story, and will continue to do so – but we can’t do it without your help.
We are now going into the fifth day of our fundraising campaign, and the results are, frankly, disappointing. We’re taking in a bit less than we usually do at this point, and that does not augur well for the future of a web site that was spotlighting Paul’s principled anti-interventionist foreign policy stance long before he skyrocketed to fame.
We never endorse candidates, and we also never give uncritical or unconditional support to any organized political movement or figure: I’ve written a lot about Paul and his movement in this space, and not all of it has been celebratory. That’s as it should be in any vital and growing movement where there is necessarily a great deal of intellectual and strategic diversity.
Now that the Paul campaign has stopped spending money on large-scale media buys in primary states, the energy of the movement, far from dissipating, is simply going in a different direction. Indeed, it is safe to say that, post-Tampa, that energy will go in many different directions, with the intention of meeting up in the same place down the road. I want to make a pitch, here, for putting a good deal of that energy into the project we at Antiwar.com have been pursuing for the past fourteen years – the campaign to change our interventionist foreign policy, to reverse America’s road to world empire and set us back on the course the Founders intended.
That is what Antiwar.com is all about. Yet we are facing a financial crisis, one that we must surmount before we can continue our work of educating the American people about the dangers of interventionism. We absolutely must raise $100,000 this quarter, just in order to survive. By the standards of similar institutions on the other side, this is a mere pittance: the War Party is never short of cash, of that you can be sure. Those who profit from war invest many millions in protecting their cash cow.
So we don’t aim to completely level the playing field: that would be impossible. Aside from that, however, such a level of fundraising – in the multi-millions – isn’t even necessary, as far as we’re concerned. Because the natural inclination of Americans, these days, is to avoid meddling in other nations’ affairs: "war-weary" doesn’t even begin to describe the depth of this popular sentiment. What has been lacking, however, is a way to mobilize this instinctual resistance to the War Party’s schemes, and respond instantaneously to the war propaganda the "mainstream" media inundates us with.
Then came Antiwar.com – the anti-interventionist movement’s answer to the War Party. With their "emergency committees," their "projects for a new American whatever," their panels of distinguished warmongers itching for a fight, their "open letters" to the powerful demanding this or that intervention – and their virtually unlimited budget – the War Party seems to be everywhere. While they may dominate the "mainstream" media they are isolated on the internet – a relatively low-cost and efficient way to spread the message and influence the battle for public opinion. On this terrain, we are winning.
Antiwar.com has been building an international audience since 1995, and we are today the world’s premier web site devoted to foreign affairs, as well as the anti-interventionist movement’s internet headquarters.
The movement for peace and liberty cannot afford to lose us. But you will lose us if we don’t make our fundraising goal. It’s as simple as that.
So please – help build the movement to reclaim America for the Founders. Help us roll back the empire and save the Republic – please make your tax-deductible donation to Antiwar.com today.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013
- Carla del Ponte’s Faux Pas – May 7th, 2013





RickR30
May 17th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Paul's supporters should wear suits and Romney pins in Tampa then.
Johnny in Wi.
May 17th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
This is one great essay Justin. Either we take over the Republican Party or we are going to replace it. The old Rockefeller, Bush, Romney elites are brain dead. They have been running the country and the Republican Party into the ground for 100 years. The real great Republicans were the anti-interventionists. Like Robert M. Lafollette, George Norris, Robert Taft, Herbert Hoover, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul and now Rand Paul and the new people coming in.
Richard Wicks
May 17th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Yes, it's such a fucking mystery what the man wants, being that he's been absolutely consistent for 30 years in stating what he wants.
Fuck you media that sold us the war on Iraq over weapons of mass destruction, and have allowed Obama to overturn the 5th amendment.
Nelson_2008
May 17th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I'm sorry to say I predict that our Masters will start the next and last phase of WW3, i.e., the overt attack against Syria and Iran phase, before the Ron Paul threat can fully materialize.
Of course the other threat against the status quo – and I believe it's an even bigger threat – is the Obama eligibility fraud. Supposedly the state of AZ has recently officially asked the state of HI to verify that Obama was born there. And if I understand correctly, if HI fails to produce verifiably authentic documents, Obama's name will not be on the Arizona 2012 ballot. Other actions are also underway in other states.
The pressure is mounting, and I predict that if just one state in the union takes Obama's name off the ballot, the whole house of cards will come tumbling down.
Obviously, our Masters can't allow that to happen. Thus if it starts to seem imminent – if the cracks in the dam get any bigger – I predict that our bloodthirsty, criminally insane Masters will risk WW3 before they give up power in the U.S.
Sharpinla
May 17th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
"The first is that, in some states where the Paulians took control of the proceedings, many of those delegates legally bound to vote for Romney on the first ballot are actually Paul supporters."
The RNC's own rules say you can't bind someone votes. :)
gerryhiles
May 17th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
OK Justin, Antiwar, here is a deal concerning you asking for donations every 3 months or so.
I pledge at least $1000, IF you enable full discussion of 911 + enabling discussion of how and why Ron Paul and Alan Greenspan are both disciples of Ayn Rand.
Neither you, Justin, nor Ron Paul has ever addressed "inconvenient facts" about 911.
Neither of you are likely to, but prove me wrong on both of my conditions for donating at least $1000.
You do not have to take http://www.911truth.org/ fully on board.
You are welcome to completely dismiss http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bbc_wtc…
And, as a true libertarian, you are totally free to rubbish http://ae911truth.org/
And you are free to deny the ideological links of RP and Greenspan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sou2RkjVya8
http://www.zimbio.com/Libertarianism/articles/woB…
Ron Harold
May 17th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Gerry, I agree with you 110%…….I know a lot about this subject matter…….I'm glad you brought it up……..Ron Paulers never talk about that and a few other things……….you can email me and I'll give you my number and we can talk if you like……I build websites and produce videos……I will make you a badass website/blog for $250……no kidding…I do all the hosting and everything…….ron@denvermediaservice.com This would be a labor of love for me!
Ron Harold
May 17th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Ron Paul is hated by Republicans because they know he's really a Libertarian……that's why in his entire career, Ron Paul wrote over 750 bills…….do you know how many of those bills made it out of committee? Four. That's (4) bills over decades. Out of those four bills, do you know how many actually made it into law? One. Only one bill. That's (1) bill in decades of being a Congressman.
Luther Bliss
May 18th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Despite my ideological differences with libertarianism (as Bill Hicks once said the only austerity belt-tightening I'm ready to do is around politician's necks…) I've really enjoyed antiwar.com and Paul's speeches for many of these dark years. So will sting if all the grassroots' energy & Ron Paul's anti-imperialism end up smothered in a backroom 'compromise' with GOP mandarins. I remain open to being proved wrong but my cynicism comes from my own experience.
I'm a leftist who has been sold out many times by political & union leadership when the rubber hits the road. I know exactly how this speech goes when the critical moment comes: "just be quiet and obey so we will get the best deal we can. Next time will make a stand."
Is some vague plan to infiltrate the rotting house of horrors known as the Republican Party really a wisest long-term plan for y'all? Because if Ron Paul delegates are forced to vote according to party dictates instead of being able to vote with their consciences it will a cause deep, deep scars.
I know all the campaign managers and fearful super-egos wring their hands in fear of a 'bang' in Tampa but be careful of ending up submitting to a media-choreographed 'whimper' too.
gerryhiles
May 18th, 2012 at 1:58 am
OK Ron, but it does puzzle me that you know a lot about what I wrote, but want $250 from me to make a "badass website/blog".
Why, with your knowledge, do you not already have your own website/blog? Why do you want me to give you $250, when I have offered Antiwar at least $1000 for enabling open discussion?
Antiwar is a well-established website/blog, so why would I be interested in your proposition?
If, perchance, Antiwar does allow open discussion, then my offer would be a far better 'investment' than your offer.
As it happens Antiwar HAS become more open … a couple of years ago posts, like mine, were censored … but now I am able to post such links as I have.
How, pray tell, could you construct a better website/blog than Antiwar, or any number of alternatives to the MSM?
gerryhiles
May 18th, 2012 at 2:37 am
So what does this prove? RP is totally ineffective?
No one has taken him seriously, despite decades of being very well paid by the system he says he wants to abolish … and now he has a son sucking off the public teat too.
What sort of Ayn Randian, Libertarian wants to BOTH destroy the Washington hand that pays him AND start a dynasty in Washington?
john
May 18th, 2012 at 3:25 am
I'm not so optimistic. If Paul really wants to make a difference he shoud run a third party candidaacy. Howewer, he either does not have the stomach for this or is afraid it will isolate his son Rand within the Republican Party.Without an actual run he will just go the way of Ross Perot and the movement itself will die also. If he wants to do more than hear himself talk he should run as a third party candidate or just go home.
MoT
May 18th, 2012 at 3:28 am
I'm looking forward to all the fireworks from here until Tampa.
RyanSmurfy
May 18th, 2012 at 3:55 am
I voted for Ron Paul in the Republican primary, because he is America's most popular peace candidate. Unfortunately, he wasn't popular enough, and resorted to swamping Republican caucuses with his followers, which at best, was a cheap trick that stinks of a loser's desperation and trivializes the antiwar, anti-empire movement as he attempts a peace putsch.
"Like it or not, America can achieve our foreign policy goals without sacrificing American values," says Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson's website. In abandoning the voters for the War Party's smoke-filled rooms, Paul not only thumbs his nose at American values and voters, upon whom the peace movement must be built, but his withdrawal from the race and refusal to run third party takes peace off the table. Sure Johnson and other invisible peace candidates will campaign, but only Ron Paul has credibility — or, until he resorted to backroom politics, had credibility.
Voter power has empowered movements in France and Greece to challenge establishment policies. But those countries have bold independent leaders who dare to fight their issues at the ballot box.
thomas knyst
May 18th, 2012 at 4:17 am
I like Ron Paul.
but until he is willing to run as an independent candidate
he is nothing but a political debutante.
OK. He will get some delegates and maybe a speech
with tepid applause. No doubt the MSM will take
the opportunity to not broadcast it….but is that it?
I gave him money once, but after I realized
that his ultimate goal was just the consolation prize
I stopped.
greedrulesin dc
May 18th, 2012 at 4:43 am
I agree. He should run as a third party candidate. He has the infrastructure, and he'd bring those on the left and the right on board. I–and the establishment political parties–would view him as a major political figure to be reckoned with.
If he continues down the path he's on, he's just playing games, shouting: "We're building a movement for decades to come!" What decades to come? We're seeing the end of America as we know it. There are no "decades to come."
He should do what great leaders do. Instead of counting delegates in Tampa and depending on the wrath of his supporters, he should break away from the Republican Party and announce with great fanfare that he's challenging both parties, and he's going to give the American people a real choice. Then only ones left in the Obama/Romney camp would be the Obamabots and the Romneybots.
I don't like Rand Paul, and I don't want my contributions to go toward making him a Republican player. I fear that is what's being hashed around inside the Paul camp now, how to maximize Rand Paul's political career on the backs and dollars of the Ron Paul supporters. Talk about watching a true movement fizzle out. That would do it.
BostonJoe
May 18th, 2012 at 5:27 am
Sorry Justin but the timidity of the Paul campaign is the problem. Drudge was in fact right. Paul has effectively dropped out of the campaign. It is an insult to those who supported his candidacy to say to them he is in the race but out of it. You know the saying, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining….
Paul said was in it all the way to to go all the way to convention as long as his supporters were behind him. His supporters have not changed their position but his paid campaign staff apparently have decided it is safer, for them to play ball with the GOP status quo.
"The irony here is that Paul himself emphasizes his anti-interventionist foreign policy views at every opportunity."
But not his campaign staff.
"This is the major reason why a Paul endorsement of Romney is inconceivable: every time Paul has been asked about this question he’s brought up the foreign policy issue right off the bat. "
Disgraceful but not inconceivable given the instructions coming down from the campaign that overt criticisms of Romney are unacceptable. An outright endorsement has yet to come but the implicit acceptance of Romney and his policies is in full bloom. Either way it is the end of this movement.
"What does Ron Paul want? In the short term, the goals of the campaign are an unknown, and in.deed that’s good strategy.'
Fantasy land. Since 2007 his supporters have known what they wanted. Paul has proclaimed it. The campaign staff is now pretending that the strategy is something else and, well, just trust them. All will turn out right. By the way, don't say anything bad about the GOP and Romney.
Hopefully the grassroots will say 'No thanks' and make their views known in Tampa. To do so they will have to contend not only with the Romney campaign but also the hindrances of the Paul campaign who main goal will be that delegates keep quiet and obey the rules.
richard vajs
May 18th, 2012 at 5:32 am
This is a tremendous article by Justin. I just wish I personally could be as optimistic as he is about this country awaking to the danger it is in. The one prediction of Justin's that I do buy entirely is that – the GOP establishment will be quick to roll out its trump card – "brute force". As long as the electorate goes along with the farce and votes for the stooges and waves the flag, and enlists for their wars, and goes on accumulating personal debt, "things will be fine". But get smartassed on them and then heads will get cracked, and the camps will get filled up.
BostonJoe
May 18th, 2012 at 5:35 am
If your comment was sarcastic a strong thumbs up. Given that the Paul campaign is promoting 'decorum' above content perhaps you are serious….
heathroi
May 18th, 2012 at 6:46 am
why do you think the Oklahoma bombing gets talked about here much more that the disaster in NY? Do you think it might be just as illustrative without the polarization caused by the Big (9/11) Lie?
heathroi
May 18th, 2012 at 6:52 am
no because he would be broken in courts with the RNC (assisted by DNC) arguing over voter registration.
Andie Freud
May 18th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Just so. I'm voting tomorrow for Delegates to go to Tampa. Got a fresh haircut, NRA pin, suit and tie laid out, and I'm working hard to control my mouth and temper. I'm old enough to remember "Clean for Gene", Chicago '68, and Rules for Radicals.
The biggest advantage we have is the romnoids' fear and panic that the Other walks among them. What I'd most like to see is mass chaos and confusion INSIDE the convention,(a mass, quiet and orderly walkout would be ideal, IMO) rather than getting my ass beaten and busted on the street. Been there, done that, although you younger folk are welcome to throw yourselves under the wheels – it's very self-satisfying, but there's nothing that murricans love to see more than bleeding hippies.
Drake
May 18th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Romney will get the nomination and will lose to Obama. Every time the Repubs nominate a washy-washy moderate (McCain, Dole, Bush Sr.) they lose
guest
May 18th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Did it ever occur to you that Ron Paul is actually a Republican? It's the rinos, neocons and nationalist/fascists of the Republican party who aren't really Republicans, at least not in any classical sense of what a Republican ever was.
MoT
May 18th, 2012 at 7:53 am
You know it just hit me that Paul is one clever cat. Here is a man who knows how to invest (check out his gold portfolio) and doesn't kowtow to lobbyists, so knows full well where to focus the money and his resources. Quite the contrast to Gingrich who pissed millions away and is deep in debt. If anything it's a snapshot of what kind of a president they'd be. One is frugal and aims to pare back Leviathan while the others glory in their recklessness with other peoples money or have so much that their so-called pain threshold is never reached.
Phil Giraldi
May 18th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Right on Joe! Paul, who is a great American and a true patriot, has been extremely poorly served by his campaign staff and the advisers that they hand picked. They never wanted to talk about foreign policy at all. It scares them. Justin is drinking the kool aid coming from Jesse Benton and John Tate, both of whom are grooming themselves to perform similar magic with the impending campaign of Rand Paul. Ron will be pronounced dead and buried by the GOP in Tampa no matter what his campaign is feeding Justin. Where did Justin see large sums going to the media in primary states? Here in Virginia where it was uniquely head to head with Romney we could have won with a little help and turned the whole campaign around. But we got nothing. I never saw a TV ad or heard one on the radio. The Ron Paul campaign has burned its way through $30 million raised from folks like us. Where did it go?
Sean
May 18th, 2012 at 8:03 am
It's all just theater to pave the way for President Petraeus. Sieg Heil!
RickR30
May 18th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Hasn't 911 been discussed plenty? There used to be here the best study of the dancing israelis for one thing.
What would be gained by discussing "how and why Ron Paul and Alan Greenspan are both disciples of Ayn Rand."? If it's something important I'm sure you could bring it up in the comments. I'd be interested in what any of that has to do with our foreign wars, which is what Antiwar.com is all about.
How could anyone prove a condition wrong, when it's not something that can be proven wrong to begin with?
I say, donate whatever you can to this site and then feel free to post whatever comments you think are relevant. Or is someone deleting your comments?
greedrulesin dc
May 18th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Oh, please.
Mike
May 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
oh….brother.
Mike
May 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am
You are a complete idiot. Deaf, dumb, and blind come to mind, you see conspiracies everywhere. The very definition of paranoid.
Paul is not a Randian you moron. Geez, get a clue.
Mike
May 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Oh please yourself. Get CLUE. It is why third party runs NEVER work. you obviously know ZILCH about it.
moe7
May 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Neither Ron Paul nor the anti-war movement stand a chance in this environment. The American people are intellectually lazy and completely brain washed. A Pew Research Center poll just out says 63% of Americans favor an attack on Iran. That's the reality we are living with.
guest
May 18th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
It would be nice if the Libertarians and Constitutionalists would stop licking their old wounds and get back into the Republican party. Enough of running silly candidates for President already and start taking the republican conversation back. Enough with this third party crap. The libertarians and constitutionalists slunk away like slugs when the neocon fascists took over. Time to grow a set of balls and take the party back. It's one thing to be antiwar and another to be a total pussy!
Wild Will
May 18th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Methinks that some of you still watch too much MSM TeeVee. Don't listen to them, they have an agenda, and that's to make you think it's all over. It ain't over til it's over, surprises are coming…
guest
May 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
30 million, I fart in your general direction! Obomba and Mittens raize that amount in a month from thier financiers. Ron Paul would need at least twice that to run against Obomba in the general election. But then you did work for the CIA and probably know that, I mean you only retired from the CIA, without stopping the 9/11 terrorists, without stopping the UN, without stopping anything! Now that I think about it, WHAT WERE WE PAYING YOU FOR?
rael
May 18th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Ron Paul …and that's ALL!
guest
May 18th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
The problem with people like you is, you wouldn't know a real republican if I slapped you with Thomas Jefferson himself. Your third party crap is just that,,crap. Oh the Independents, yeah they are nothing more than democrats, but I am sure you could find a way to defend them and say they are not, same with greens or whatever. I.m so tired of you morons. Please do me a favor and STFU.
RyanSmurfy
May 19th, 2012 at 2:57 am
Reality check. Last time I looked, a "silly" "third party" "neocon fascist" dictates American foreign policy from Tel Aviv. And the Republicans toady to the Likud thug like "total *****"s.
Reality check. Third parties are powerful. Ask Nikolas "the French Bibi" Sazkozy. Ask the Democrats who credit Ralph Nader with defeating Al Gore. Ask the Whigs when a third party rose by challenging slavery.
Running as a third party candidate in a close election, where the two war-party candidates are seesawing in the polls, Paul, like Perot, in '92, Nader in 2000, and Le Pen this year, could be the kingmaker, with enough leverage to pressure one of the opportunistic war-party candidates to split from Likud and campaign for an independent American foreign policy that gives diplomacy, soft power and peace a chance.
Johnny_Warbucks
May 19th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Long live the Ron Paul cult. The patriots/heroes that are going to save humanity.
PS: Please, live Junior alone, he's not part of the master plan besides, he's busy at the present time, attempting to decimate whatever is left of the US and its citizens.
Amen and may the Ron Paul force be with you.
Johnny_Warbucks
May 19th, 2012 at 7:29 am
So what you're saying is that Ron Paul is a good little old Capitalist after all.
guest
May 19th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Perot quit and we ended up with Clinton, keep dreaming those third party dreams :) Nader is a worthless communist, who I didn't know existed until 2005 :). The libertarians and constitutionalists need to retake the Republican party, it should be theirs anyway. Whatever third parties may do in some far away land they don't do here.
MetaCynic
May 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am
I am conflicted on the issue of Ron Paul running a third party candidacy. Yes, it would be wonderful to have nothing to do with the corrupt and evil two party system. But, the Libertarian Party has been at it for 40 years and has almost nothing to show for its exertions. How many Libertarians have been elected to any political office anywhere in America?
As infuriating as the MSM's blackout of Ron Paul's activities and progress has been, it would be much worse if he had run as a third party candidate. He raised his profile immeasurably by participating in the Republican national debates which would have been impossible as a third party candidate. Unfortunately, the American public has been brainwashed into recognizing only candidates from the two main parties as worthy of consideration.
With that unpleasant fact in mind, perhaps Paulian infiltration and take over of the Republican Party, as is already well underway at the state level, is the best strategy for rolling back the state.
MetaCynic
May 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am
What most commentators who think that Ron Paul has folded don't understand is that the popular vote in the primaries is meaningless. It doesn't guarantee delegates, and delegates are all that matter. So, why piss away scarce resources on a meaningless process when working behind the scenes after the primaries has already reaped huge results? Ron Paul did not win the popular vote in any state, yet his supporters, working the system, have captured the majority of delegates in 11 states including Romney's home state of Massachusetts! Also, many alleged Romney delegates are actually stealth Ron Paul supporters.
Even if the RNC changes the rule which now does not bind state delegates to vote for a particular candidate, Romney may very likely still not have a majority in the first round of voting, which will free the stealth Ron Paul delegates to vote for Paul on subsequent rounds. If the RNC resorted to fraud and force to nominate Romney, this would certainly alienate the Ron Paul base and guarantee Obama's re-election. It then becomes a question of whether the RNC is suicidal and hates and fears Ron Paul more than it hates and fears Obama. I'm afraid the answer is, yes.
MoT
May 19th, 2012 at 11:28 am
And? The bastard ensconced in the White House pissed more away in one day blowing up Libyans who didn't do a damn thing than Paul earned in salary for the past thirty years. The math speaks.
MetaCynic
May 19th, 2012 at 11:32 am
The convention in Tampa could spiral into a 1968 Chicago Democratic Party convention police riot. A large contingent of veterans, organized by the libertarian activist, Adam Kokesh, is planning on demonstrating outside the convention hall on behalf of Ron Paul, demanding that the empire be dismantled and the troops brought home. We all know that Republicans are commanded to love and support the troops with all their heart. What would be the cognitive dissonance in the minds of the delegates if the veterans, many of them crippled, refuse to be confined to the designated free speech cages and were attacked by the police? After all, we are reminded incessantly that the vets risked and even gave up their lives so that we could enjoy the liberties guaranteed us by the Bill of Rights. And now the whole world will watch as the vets – the sacred vets – are tased, gassed and beaten by uniformed thugs for daring to exercise THEIR 2nd Amendment rights.
How will this play out in the minds of the Republican Party rank and file in the convention hall when Ron Paul stands up to denounce the police state explosion in the streets and Romney remains silent? Maybe this scenario is part of the Ron Paul strategy.
MoT
May 19th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Bingo. The fight in Oklahoma is indicative of exactly how things are shaping up. Romney has already "lost" states that were earlier said to be in the bag for Mr. Hairdo. This is something the fascist media don't even dare let the peasants get wind of because it would undo their "he hasn't a chance to win" lying mantra. And, yes, the RNC is really no different than the Democratic leadership in that they simply want to keep control no matter how it hurts you or I. The true mark of Mafia gangs. The party apparatchiks are even going so far as to demand "loyalty oaths" where there have never been before. This is a sign of desperation.
MetaCynic
May 19th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Oops! I meant "1st" Amendment rights in the post above.
MoT
May 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
You know… I've looked at these so-called "polls", time and again, and they never tell you how they word them, (what they ask and what they say they asked are two different things) which questions are asked before or after, nor the actual demographics of the clowns supposedly "selected". Were they all selected off of some campus in Madison? A mega church in Houston? We know absolutely nothing, not even if what is published is real, and yet we're expected somehow to accept it as gospel. I don't get it.
RyanSmurfy
May 19th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Mr. Guest,
Perot endorsed Clinton when he quit. Clinton won; Perot crowned the King. Third party power, misused power, but still power.
No surprise, because many changes in the USA came from third parties. The Republicans, at first a third party, led the Republic into the Civil War, our nation's most deadly event; the Progressives, who proposed the federal income tax, child labor laws, and business regulations that changed us in the first two decades of the 1900s; the Temperance and National Woman's parties, that took the bottle away from men and gave the ladies the vote; Sen. Huey "Kingfish" Long's Share Our Wealth Society forced FDR to support social security; and George Wallace's American Independent Party, that prompted Patrick J. Buchanan to devise the southern strategy, that put the Republicans back in power.
Though the Constitution Party is faithful to the nation's founding principals, they have zero power. The Libertarians share Karl Marx's policies — free trade and open borders — and applauded his policies at the first Free Trade Conference in Brussels. Unfortunately, the clueless Libertarians lack Marx's understanding of what Marx's libertarian policies would do: destroy America's middle class and civilization.
However, as the big fish in the little puddle of current American parties, the Libertarians do have a spark or two of political power. Headed by a Ron Paul right-left peace ticket, it might have had the potential to pressure Obama to compromise on military spending and the castrating the Federal Reserve, concrete goals that elude Paul's Republicans.
On the floor of the US Senate, the Kingfish once thundered: "A mob is coming here in six months to hang the other ninety-five of you damned scoundrels, and I'm undecided whether to stick here with you or go out and lead them."
Unfortunately, Paul has decided to run from the antiwar mob he once led to the safety of the war party.
Johnny_Warbucks
May 20th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
And? The bastard ensconced in the White House has nothing to do with Ron Paul or his son – except that it was their party and their mess they got the country into that helped put him there. As for Libya, well, how's that any different that Iraq? I don't see your hero doing much about it as for his son? Phhhhhh! If you were honest in your assessment, you wouldn't dare repeat that Republican mantra of Obama spending more than Bush since you know full well that it's a lie.
So, now, c'mon, be honest and address my comment. All the stuff you said had nothing to do with my comment much less justifies the guy's own behavior much less that of his son's truly one of the most vile and disgusting characters since Bush II. Attacking someone else in order to avoid the inadequacies of your own leader/party is dishonest and hypocritical at best.
And this I say having no partisan affiliation or inclination whatsoever since, much unlike y'all Ron Paul groupies, I can see that all sides are the same and just as evil and pursuing the same agenda.
Bob
May 21st, 2012 at 4:12 pm
You libertoons are such maroons!
Ron Paul sold out to Bishop Mitt so his neocon son could get a cabinet position. No mystery there.