Obama, Iran, and the Price of Gas
The War Street Journal and a noted libertarian think tank are wrong
ThinkProgress, the online semi-official apologists for all-things-Obama, touts the news that “even” the War Street Journal and the libertarian Cato Institute say “it’s not Obama’s fault gas prices have increased.” In their typical oh-so-superior tone, these unabashed Obama-cultists sneer:
“How obvious is it that oil prices, set on a world market, are all but impervious to government policies? So obvious that even Rupert Murdoch’s WSJ and the Koch-fueled Cato Institute feel compelled to make the case.”
The Cato analysis reports that the price of North Sea crude, which sets gas prices in the US no matter if there are cheaper sources available, is rising. Yet there is a tautological aspect to this assertion: gas prices are rising because crude oil prices are rising. Yes, but why are they rising?
Well, says Cato, “possibly” because supplies are relatively limited: they point out domestic US oil production has actually risen under Obama’s reign, and yet that North Sea crude is what’s getting us $4 a gallon and up at the gas pump. Poor persecuted Obama is “no more responsible for production increases than other presidents were responsible for production declines. Unfortunately, presidents get blamed for world market changes that occur during their time in office… but generally, they do not cause them.”
Likewise, the Wall Street Journal absolves the President in the course of a dyspeptic polemic against Newt Gingrich, who has said “all of this gigantic increase [in gas prices] came from his policies.” Not so, says the WSJ:
“U.S. gasoline prices, like prices throughout the advanced economies, are determined by global market forces. It is hard to see how Mr. Obama’s policies can be blamed.”
Domestic oil production, they rightly argue, has little to do with gas prices: after a short stint of being in the right, however, they fall back into error. The reason for the increase, they tell us, is because the recession is over, and demand is therefore up.
I
don’t know what universe the editors and staff of the Wall
Street Journal
are living in – actually, I
do
know
– but for us ordinary peons it sure seems like the depression
“recession” is going full speed ahead. Foreclosures are
up, and I don’t care what the “official”
unemployment numbers say: the real
unemployment rate is in double digits. The WSJ analysis repeats
Cato’s assertion that gas prices are “fixed” by
the price of North Sea crude, yet the repetition of this tautology
gives it zero momentum. The question remains, why are prices rising?
Completely absent from either the Journal’s or Cato’s analyses is any mention of the looming conflict with Iran. This is surely a curious omission, especially in view of the fact that the President has been quick to attribute price hikes to those evil “speculators,” who “manipulate” oil futures – bets on what future oil prices will be – and “distort” the market. As an analyst at Bloomberg Business recently pointed out:
“The last time the price of Brent crude closed below $100 a barrel was Oct. 6, 2011. It’s since gone up nearly 30 percent, to a high of $126.20 on March 1. Tensions over Iran’s nuclear program have people spooked that a potential attack would disrupt the country’s 2.2 million barrels of daily oil exports. And so money has been pouring into oil futures contracts, driving up the price without any significant change in the underlying supply-and-demand fundamentals. Only the threat of one.
“So who’s buying?
“Talk to oil analysts these days and chances are they’ll tell you that more than half the spike in the oil price is due to speculators—specifically noncommercial users. That’s jargon for investors who are buying up futures contracts not because they intend to use the oil, but because they think it’s a good investment. These aren’t airlines or refining companies; these are money managers betting that the price will go up. And so far they’ve been right, thanks to themselves.”
Commodity prices are determined not only by current supplies but by speculation about future availability. Investors have listened to all the war talk, and watched the slow but seemingly inevitable march of the Obama administration toward war with Iran, and already priced in the costs of the conflict – and the catastrophic effect on oil supplies. Just as investors buy gold as a hedge against inflation and the decline of the dollar, so these same investors are putting their money into oil futures as a hedge against the increasingly likely prospect of a US and/or Israeli attack on Iran – an event that will drive the price of oil up to $200 a barrel and beyond.
These are the real “global market forces” the WSJ referred to, with uncharacteristic vagueness: the anticipation by traders that our leaders will lie us into yet another war in the Middle East. The leftist ThinkProgress types fail to understand this because they fail to understand the crucial role the supposedly evil speculators play in ensuring the price system functions optimally as an information circuit, disseminating knowledge efficiently so that the market can anticipate future events and adjust prices accordingly. As Murray N. Rothbard, the great free market economist and libertarian theorist, put it in the summer of 1990, when the first Gulf war was launched:
“When Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990, and the Bush administration quickly organized an oil embargo and military action to try to restore the hereditary emirate, gasoline prices, wholesale and retail, began to go up immediately. In two days, gasoline price rises throughout the country ranged from four to 17 cents a gallon. Immediately, hysteria hit.”
Rather than being aimed in the direction of our political leaders, who were preparing to launch a war in the midst of the world’s prime oil-producing region, ire was directed at “Big Oil,” which, the Naderite Citizen Action declared, “is doing to American consumers what Saddam Hussein did to Kuwait.” “There is absolutely no reason consumers should already be paying more for oil and gas,” fumed leading war hawk Sen. Joe Lieberman. “It must be stopped!”
He didn’t want to stop it by pulling our troops out of the region – not by a long shot. He was demanding price controls, a device sure to produce shortages. Yet, as Rothbard pointed out at the time,
“When Iraq invaded Kuwait, knowledgeable people in the oil market immediately and understandably forecast a future drop in the supply of oil… Actions on the market, e.g. demands for the purchase or accumulation of oil, are not at all mechanistic: they are a function of what knowledgeable people on the market anticipate will happen.”
Speculators, wrote Rothbard, “perform an important function.” If people reacted mechanistically to fluctuations in supply, rather than anticipating future fluctuations, “a cutoff of Middle Eastern oil would disrupt the economy by causing a sudden drop in supply and a huge jump in prices. Speculative anticipation eases this volatility by raising prices more gradually.”
In short, it could be worse – and will be worse, once the shooting starts in the Strait of Hormuz. The oil speculators constitute a kind of early warning system, alerting us to the likelihood of a war in the Middle East months before it actually occurs. In this they perform a vital – even heroic – function. Too bad no one’s listening.
It’s clear why the folks at ThinkProgress don’t want to listen – because our savvy oil speculators are betting Obama is leading us down the road to war with Iran, and they are quite likely to win that bet. The War Street Journal is evasive on the subject because … well, just because they’re the War Street Journal. It’s unclear to me why the anti-interventionist and pro-free market Cato Institute, which never mentions the words “war” or “Iran” in its piece, is similarly silent on the subject: perhaps they were so eager to absolve the President and ding the Republicans – thus proving their “non-partisanship” – that they restricted their analysis to the narrowly partisan aspect of this argument over who is responsible for high gas prices.
It turns out, however, that Newt Gingrich is right, albeit for the wrong reasons: the President’s policies – his foreign policy, specifically – are indeed the driving force behind rapidly rising gas prices. The problem for Gingrich and his fellow Republican war-hawks, however, is that they would march us off to war – and off an economic cliff – much sooner than the current occupant of the White House.
It’s amazing how little things have changed in the twenty-plus years since Rothbard penned his little essay, which concludes:
“If the politicians and pundits have their way, there may well be gas lines by Christmas, but the cause will be they themselves, and no small or Big Oil.”
Gas lines by Christmas, as US warplanes pound Iranian cities and yet another wild goose chase in search of “weapons of mass destruction” commences? That’s what those evil speculators are warning us about: that no one understands the warning, or takes it seriously, is hardly their fault.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013
- Carla del Ponte’s Faux Pas – May 7th, 2013





Steve H.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
The reckless and counterproductive threats of retaliation against non-existent Iranian nukes notwithstanding, the major driver of price increases is not speculators, OPEC, or some other nefarious factor. It is plain and simple if one understands economics.
The reason oil prices are rising is irresponsible monetary policies. Bernanke's insistence on zero interest rate policies since October 2008 is not a coincidence. Why? Because Obama is spending trillions we don't have.
In other words, irresponsible fiscal policies to prop up a world empire and buy votes domestically means the Federal Reserve must purchase the debt that no one else would be stupid enough to buy at the yields being offered. What can't be borrowed at market rates has to be created from nothing. Thus, we get quantitative easing. QE is counterfeiting, and they're doing it at record rates.
Even in a situation where Americans are using less oil as the economy tanks and millions lose their jobs, the price is rising because the currency in federal reserve notes is losing value at a faster rate. This trend will continue until the debasement stops. This won't stop until America minds its own business and people stop depending on Uncle Sam to spoon-feed them from cradle to grave with "free" stuff.
Buy precious medals, folks. It's going to be a hard landing.
David Grayling
March 18th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Unfortunately, when the U.S. decided to 'walk on water' by ignoring the principle of not spending what you don't have, it came undone. It's ambition exceeded its means.
If China calls in its loans, the U.S. will pop like a balloon. Hopefully that will happen soon, before WW3 begins!
Carl
March 18th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
The more people in the United States, the less oil and gas to go around. The more people in the United States, the less food to go around.
End. Immigration. Now.
Sam Lowry
March 18th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
An oil future is a contract to purchase oil at a specific price at a designated point in the future. Oil futures are sold by people who want to finance the delivery of oil to refineries. The tankers that bring oil from the wells to the refineries don't just guess that they'll be able to sell the oil when they get there. Everything is financed in advance via oil futures.
No one would ever pay more for oil in the future than it would cost to buy the oil now and merely store it. This is the only way speculation in oil futures could raise the cost of gas now. Speculation in oil futures can only bring the price of oil down in the long run.
As Ron Paul pointed out, the silver in a pre-1963 dime will buy about a gallon of gas. The cost of oil is not going up. The purchasing power of the dollar is going down.
The propaganda manufactured by the establishment is not intended to tell a single story. It's more like the layers of an onion. Get past one layer, and they've prepared another. The first layer consists of noise about speculators, and how the price of oil is set by "global market forces." The second layer is reached by those who are suckered by the obvious conclusion that a war with Iran would have to have an effect on world oil supplies.
The truth is that inflation (i.e. expansion of the money supply by the Federal Reserve, i.e. "Quantitative Easing") is raising the price of everything. And as they did during the stagflation of the 1970s, the establishment is trying to blame it on rising oil prices in particular.
KMF
March 18th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Research shows that newer generations in the United States care less about community, environment:
http://mangans.blogspot.com/2012/03/cultural-marx…
Justin Raimondo
March 18th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
I agree inflation is driving the prices of all commodities up, however I don't think you understand how futures markets work: buyers are buying oil at today's relatively cheap prices on the bet that prices will increase and they can sell at a profit. See here:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700241569/Whet…
30.06
March 19th, 2012 at 1:07 am
Hands Off Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACzYJ9IGlTg
Earl Richards
March 19th, 2012 at 1:12 am
Iran will not close the Straits of Hormuz, becasue the closing will block Iranian exports, including oil shipments to India, Japan and China. Iran is not going to strangle itself. The Iranian oil price does not effect the US oil price, because Iranian oil is not exported to the US and because Iran and the US do not have diplomatic relations. Iranian oil is traded on the Iran Oil Bourse and the Singapore spot market and has no effect on the oil markets of western Europe and North America. The closing of the Straits is being used as a phony excuse by Wall Street, Big Oil and their media pundits to increase the price of oil.
james
March 19th, 2012 at 1:42 am
Earl, I do not trust the WSJ or any other mainstream rag in the west. But Iran WILL close the Hormuz if it is attacked. Remember, when you are under the onslaught of thew terrorists of Washington the last thing you will worry about is your exports.
Smithboy
March 19th, 2012 at 3:13 am
Economist Robert Reich said everytime you fill up, speculators make 10 bucks.
Earl Richards
March 19th, 2012 at 4:42 am
Chinese demand, Greek tragedy, weather reports, Iran, OPEC and so on, are not responsible for high oil and gasoline prices, which are causing the recession and could lead to a depression. The oil price is dictated by the fraudulent "round-trip" trades of the "dark pool" trading in the IntercontinentalExchange (ICE) in Atlanta. The international Big Oil/big banking cabal, or an international gang of criminals, owns ICE. ICE operates outside of US law, considers itself to be above the law and can commit fraud and law enforcement cannot do anything. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission has no jurisiction over ICE, influenced by Big Oil. ICE's energy traders and speculators can ratchet-up the oil price anytime they feel like it, for their own profits and on the behalf of Big OIl, using "round-trip" trades. Google the "$2.5 Trillion Oil Scam – slideshare." "Paper oil" and the crude oil futures markets have to be done away with. Cash at the wellhead. Over 75% of crude oil futures trading takes place in the ICE. The NYMEX is a decoy market. ICE is a super Enron. Continued…
Earl Richards
March 19th, 2012 at 4:46 am
…Continued. The "Enroning" of California was a test-market for ICE. Oil is too critical a resource to be controlled and manipulated by greedy speculators, greedy refiners, greedy traders and greedy corporations. Cash on the barrelhead. To obtain a fair oil price, Senators Sanders and the Occupiers have to investigate ICE and seize immediately the trading records of ICE, before they are destroyed and end the specter of ICE and end this crime against humanity.
Earl Richards
March 19th, 2012 at 4:52 am
Washington and the West will not attack, because they do not want the Straits closed. The WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and all of his media organizations publish rubbish, that is not fit to be published. Israel is under the control of Washington and Big Oil, and will not attack, unless Washington gives the go ahead.
musings
March 19th, 2012 at 5:44 am
There are two sources of panic speculation, and they play into each other. One of them is the phenomenon of peak oil (which leads to scarcity, as one commentator puts it), where easy sources of oil, whose refining is not so energy-consuming as others (think tar sands), is on the wane in places like Saudi Arabia. The consumption has grown up with globalization and the rise of China, but the earth just isn't making any more of it. The other is of course the fact that the easy oil in the world lies in a political region which can soon be engulfed in WWIII.
Anybody notice a corresponding rise in gold? Why would that be? Not just from inflationary practices of government, but from genuine fears that the very governments themselves will fail in total war scenarios, and that a sound system for buying energy must be in place for any country trying to ride out the chaos.
I think Obama's role is as a Master of Ceremonies for a lot over which he has no control. These media outlets have to have a slick salesman at the helm for policies made by the real powers – corporations. The public isn't buying Mitt Romney (the hoped for paladin by many who fund the Republican party), and the other candidates are not the slick types they had in mind. Therefore, a pre-election concession to the more popular guy is already in the works. They really believe their market forces, Adam Smith ideas. It is why they are perfectly happy with the status quo, because Obama does not get in the way of these corporations the way a real reformer would do.
musings
March 19th, 2012 at 6:02 am
I partly agree with the statement "Israel is under the control of Washington and Big Oil" because if it were really under the direction of a messianic cult, it would already have struck. In fact there are a lot of realists in Israel, not necessarily at the head of their government, but to whom even the Likudniks must answer. Some are involved with wider forces, like banking in London. These guys don't want the system to become impenetrably complex or for it to shut down so badly that the public goes crazy. They need to preserve good chunks of the status quo, and the heart of that lies in easy energy.
Sam Lowry
March 19th, 2012 at 6:48 am
From the Walter E. Williams article: "I stand to make a lot of money by buying corn now for $7 a bushel, holding it, and in May 2009 selling it for $12 a bushel."
Which is exactly what I said. Futures speculation can only drive up current prices to the degree it makes it profitable to simply buy in the present and hold.
My point might be too subtle, but I've seen a lot of evidence for it. My claim is that the connection between speculation-driven prices in oil and the threat of war with Iran is not something people were really expected to miss. My claim is that if people think they've "figured it out" on their own, they stop thinking. They might get worked up over the threat of war with Iran, but that was already a domestic political liability anyway. So why not use it as propaganda? It provides a scapegoat for the terrible economy and a magician's misdirection away from the actions of the Fed.
Another example: If you study Keynes, there is a point at which you come to the conclusion that 'stimulus' is really about sneakily bringing the price of real wages down through monetary expansion–wink, wink–thus getting the economy moving again. Those who figure this out imagine themselves part of an exclusive club of people who know better than those whose self-destructive self-interest is what makes wages sticky. Let them believe it's really about "deflationary spirals."
Well, yes, real wages are brought down, but that's not what Keynesianism is really about. Keynesianism is really about providing intellectual cover for what the politicians were already doing anyway: spending money they didn't have.
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jeff_davis
March 19th, 2012 at 9:52 am
@Earl Richards: "Iran will not close the Straits of Hormuz, because the closing will block Iranian exports, including oil shipments to India, Japan and China. Iran is not going to strangle itself."
This bit of "wisdom" was offered up early on by some pundit somewhere. It's an appealing little notion intended for sale to MSM readers. But it's just happy talk. Makes those in the West who worry, feel better because (1) it makes Iran look weak, and (2) it suggests that the threat of an economic catastrophe, due to an oil cut-off, is overstated.
Iranian shipping might indeed be curtailed, not by Iranian efforts at closing the straits, but by follow-on military action by the US and Gulf countries.
The Iranian strait-closing capability relies largely, but not exclusively, on Chinese Silkworm anti-ship missiles, which I dare say the Iranians are unlikely to fire at their own ships. Similar anti-ship missiles in the inventories of all modern militaries spell the end of surface naval warfare by capital ships. (Admirals in all militaries don't talk about this, as it poses a major threat to their professional life.) Also, if the Iranians plant the old style mines, they will know where they are, and any Iranian shipping which might avoid military attack would be able to maneuver through their own mine field.
In short, this "they won't close the straits" talk is almost certainly not reality-based, but rather war party propaganda.
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jeff_davis
March 19th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Some folks think Washington controls Israel, some think Israel controls Washington. Mostly, it's a complicated issue. That said, I have to come down on the side of Israel in charge.
Netanyahoo, like all politicians, needs a boogieman to unite Israel behind him. That boogieman clearly is Iran. Not because of the bomb, that's just the excuse. Rather because Iran is large, rich with oil, and highly developed, and as such poses a long term threat to Israeli domination of the region. Expanded to "existential", this threat becomes the perfect Likudnik vehicle.
Iran is also the politically-exploitable boogieman for US politicians: a foreign "enemy" useful for fear-driven mobilization of domestic voter support.
While the US wants regime change in Iran, so as to "turn" them, the Likudniks are more severe in their ambitions: they want Iran virtually destroyed, eliminated as a threat for many years, (and then, no doubt destroyed again, when they have rebuilt). But the Israelis can't do this on their own, they need to get the US to do it for them. The opportunity to accomplish this is coming up right before the US 2012 election.
When the Israeli attack comes, say in October 2012 (surprise!), Obama will be trapped. If he does not join in with Israel, the US Jewish community will turn against him, and presumably, he will lose the election.
So the question is: Does Obama care more about his re-election than about a worldwide military and economic catastrophe? I'm not a right-wing Obama hater (Severely critical? Yes.), but I've yet to see any politician — save perhaps Ron Paul — who could rise above self-absorption to put the welfare of the country — or for that matter, the welfare of all humanity — above his own ambition.
So I see full-on war in the mid-east come October.
rosemerry
March 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Only desperate people would want to enter the USA, whose policies have increased their desperation.
Religious freaks like the Quiverfull christians eg Duggar family of 19 kids to outnumber the unbelievers are the main cause of US overpopulation, besides the vast wasteul lifestyles most of you live.
rosemerry
March 19th, 2012 at 11:01 am
William Engdahl in globalresearch.ca makes good points about the speculation causing the oil price spike.
RickR30
March 19th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Thanks for that info.
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RickR30
March 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Sure, the short term solution is to stop this Iran non-sense. And, by the way, since that is cooling now, why aren't gas prices dropping?
The long term solution is to undo this ridiculous system of setting gas prices. And don't tell me it's supply and demand. That's just a lie to sell this idea of the market. Oil futures speculators setting gas prices is like gamblers betting on Hollywood box office determining the price of a movie ticket. Speculators aren't modern day holy oracles. And the "free market," isn't some sacrosanct entity whose outcomes are always right and just. The market isn't all that free because it's made up of humans who collude, conspire, speculate, and use their position of advantage to rig the system. How is speculators setting gas prices, or rather, increasing gas prices every time someone sneezed in the middle east any better than government regulating prices? I'll take this type of government regulation in addition to government subsidies any day over some phoney "free market" that is set up to benefit the 1% at the expense of the 99% day in and day out. Gas is an issue of national security. It's vital. A paralyzed, non-mobile nation is dead, and so is the economy of such a nation. Screw the speculators, wall street crooks, and the myth of the free market.
liberranter
March 19th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Israel is under the control of Washington and Big Oil, and will not attack, unless Washington gives the go ahead.
I think you have that exactly backwards.
andy
March 19th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Actually the USA gets very little of its oil from the middle east. The widely held belief that America needs or depends on mideast oil supplies is one of the biggest canards of our time.
Earl Richards
March 19th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Washington controls Israel's foreign aid and military aid, so Washington and Big Oil, "pull the strings."
liberranter
March 19th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Like I said, you have it exactly backwards.
Israel gets the American financial and military aid that it does (i.e., FAR more than any other recipients; indeed, probably more than all other recipients combined) because its ultra-influential and powerful fifth column here in the U.S. ensures that the aid keeps flowing. Let any American politician (Ron Paul comes readily to mind) try to put a stop to this welfare gravy train, and they'll share the same fate as John F. Kennedy.
dink
March 19th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Mr Obama has always sought to increase the debt limit. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-5…
Your viewpoint is well written. I think Mr Raimondo is showing how more short term, they are hedging their bets and there is speculation, but like you said its not the major driving force
dink
March 19th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
TV likes extremes that is why the Duggars are known. The presidental hopeful Romney, the proVietnam war-mormom missionary-exempt had a large family also .See, Frront line soldiers have a good chance of dying. But he pays for his kids, as long as you want a King, or government. In state societies, the kings or governments have always had to justify their theft of food or resources from the masses. So don't vote for these types.
I think National Geographic shows that at 7 Billion, the birth rate in India is coming down mainly as a product of women not wanting many children. Its a global trend. The birthrate is actually going down, minus immigration. The Romneys and Santorums of the world will always be statists because it empowers their religion and world view point. Romney is ok with a Spanish speaking state of Puerto Rico because it will get him votes and power. Should show what his priorities are: himself.
Carl
March 19th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
What's wrong. Don't you like diversity?
dink
March 19th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
The politicians pushing Iran war are the biggest scammers out there. It is anti-Nationalist for the United States. We know which country and which faction it benefits. If you love the United States, even if your only ok with the United States, the fact is there is no way you can justify it. We can't control the government of Iran, but it will remain or fall by its own devices. Mr Obama already has sanctions and other acts of war in place. As Mr Raimondo points out, increasing oil prices are a result of hostility to Iran and direct action. The debt ceiling is skyrocketing. As the Republican candidates jockey and elbow each other: Gingrich (the so called cheap gas guy), Santorum, and Romney all support militancy against Iran. They are all frauds. Not everyone is driven by morality. Economics alone proves the ruling class are driving the United States in the ground by war.
Bianca
March 19th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Well, I am not sure this is correct. Iranian oil embargo staring July will affect Greece, Spain and Portugal, and perhaps very little Italy. Iran has already stopped shipping to France and England, even though the EU embargo does not start until July, but they will not feel it. The questions come faster then answers. It seems to me that SOMEBODY really wants to hurt further the PIIGS countries, knowing that Iran oil will hurt them. What is going on? It seems like some bizzare game. US seems to have the upper hand in causing pain in EU financial markets with serial downgrades. And it seems that Germany is indiferent to the plight of those, even though it would make sense that Germany wants to protect Euro. But then, all the PIIGS seem to have gotten in trouble precisly because they were chummy with UK/US bankers — and took loans and other financial "instruments" they should not have. Are they being punished because Germany does not want to pay for countries that follow UK/US financial advice? So, they are now stuck between the mentor hurting them to punish Germany, and Germany punishin them for still clinging to the same mentor. It is getting curiouser and curiouser.
Ben_C
March 20th, 2012 at 12:09 am
I believe Mr. Obama already acknowledged this. He said something to the effect of: "all of this 'bluster' of war talk (by the "other side") is benefiting Iran by raising the cost of oil and, in turn, benefiting Iran because the oil they (Iran) sell is being sold at a higher price–which, in turn, funds Iran's 'nuclear program'…so everyone needs to 'shut it' and allow time for the 'diplomacy' of 'crippling sanctions' to work its magic…(at least until after the election)"…as Mr. Obama "knows what it means to send troops into combat, and knows what 'war' is because (he's) been to Walter Reed, etc., etc., etc…"…’war’ is not a joke to be taken 'lightly'—particularly in an election year…
Obviously none of this is an exact quote, but it's more or less what was said. This concept of 'future expectations' is no secret and has not been lost on Mr. Obama, as he's already trying to play it against his eventual opponent, as his eventual opponent(s) are trying to play this 'situation' against him. Be that as is it may, all of this is still a non-issue—as both parties of the national political Duopoly fundamentally agree on a War with Iran—it's just a question of when. So where do voters go?
John
March 20th, 2012 at 12:21 am
J.F.K. was murdered because he was going to restore the Treasury and put the Fed out of business. He was going to pull the troops out of Vietnam (I wish he had) and after Johnson became President, he kept the troops there.
conumishu
March 20th, 2012 at 10:11 am
German & French & other non-UK, non-US based banks are heavily involved in "financing" PIIGS countries. You could check Bank for International Settlements to see various countries' banks "exposure" toward PIIGS. Sacrificing PIIGS would kill the euro. If Germany and France would want this, well, don't know who could blame them, but 20 years after Maastricht treaty everything shows the plan is to destroy all national level decision and political check on bankers, not to bring it back, tendency for bigger, controllable single players, not for a more "chaotic" multitude and euro looks the perfect tool to strip every country of any relevant financial autonomy and chance for a healthier financial policy. The "stability" treaty which is soon to be enforced upon all EU member states, regardless if they adopted euro or not, points to the same conclusion: the globalist takeover of EUrope accelerates and endangering euro would make no sense for the handlers. Scare factor, yes, conspiracy to break EU from inside, very doubtful.
If you think there's no collusion between european bankers and anglo-american ones and EU space is a real threat to the latter I wonder why US helped Deutsche bank and Societe Generale and others with lots of money. They're intertwinned, the scam extends on a global level, states and politicians are executing banksters orders, imperial bureaucrats even better than national ones, why would they endanger their lucrative combine ?
Iran war is meant to postpone the crash for the west, not only for US, all are worshipping the same idol, embracing the same insane economic theories and all are too far entangled for a clean breakup. There's no political will to change anything, on the contrary, German-led EU measures bring EU space even closer to the anglo-american debt loaded chimera.
Probably US transfers some of the burden to EU and here it is distributed so the weaker pay more, but any major destabilizing would be terminal for the whole western banksters league. When panic mode sets in we'll see what happens, for now it looks like business as usual.
xcz
March 20th, 2012 at 11:31 am
in a geo-political context, the U.S. economy "popping like a balloon" would be positive as it would stymie the War Party, but the fallout is going to be very bad for us. I'm not so sure it's something to hope for.
Shackleford
March 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Religious freaks like the Quiverfull christians eg Duggar family of 19 kids to outnumber the unbelievers are the main cause of US overpopulation, besides the vast wasteul lifestyles most of you live.
You see the Duggars and other Christians and think they are the MAIN cause of US overpopulation? You really should study the numbers. Immigration, whether your believe it is good or bad, is the number one driver of US population growth since 1970. The Duggars and their 19 kids don't amount to a grain of sand on the beach compared to the 40 to 50 million immigrants, legal and illegal, plus their descendants that have come into the US in the past 45 years.
Here is a video from NumbersUSA. Watch especially the population charts they show with the expected US population from natural growth versus the actual population that resulted from increased immigration. I think after you see this you might reconsider the effects the Duggans have had.
Bob
March 20th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Why don't we just deport all of the nativist knuckledraggers, instead?
Or just deport anyone who doesn't have above a 3rd grade education. That should just about get them all.
CSMallory
March 20th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
China only holds about 10% of US debt, just a little more than Japan.
CSMallory
March 20th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Don't confuse her with the facts.
CSMallory
March 20th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Would also send most of the 3rd world savages back home too.
Dubbleoj
March 20th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Heroic seems a bit strong of a word for speculators roaming the wilderness for their next bite. Chris Cook, former compliance director at the International Petroleum Exchange, provides a fascinating explanation at how independent speculators get fleeced by oil companies, their traders, and big banks. As liquidity flooded the markets in 2008, these groups colluded to hide dark inventory of oil supplies from speculators, promising these contracts to each other. Cook asserts this had a huge hand in raising prices as speculators were forced into higher priced contracts. http://www.theoildrum.com/node/8834
aarky
March 20th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
I just heard the head of a Commoditiies hedge fund asked the question, "How much has the Iran situation raised the price of crude oil ( From Bernie Low on "Cash Flow" on CNBC)? the answer,
"The price would be in the $80's per barrel".
Have I read any posts here that charge that the Zionist zealots in Congress have done the bidding of the Likkudniks of Israel to pass all those insane sanctions,boycotts, et. cet against Iran when all the intell agencies in Israel and the US say there is no danger from Iran?
Aarky
March 20th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Both the past and present head of the Mossad, Meir Dagan and Tamir Pardo, both say that Iran is not a threat to Israel. The Likkudniks ignore even Dagan when he states,"An attack against Iran would be the stupidest thing I can think of".
Ben_C
March 20th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Sam…forget about "futures speculation" for a second. Assume "futures markets" simply don't exist. The price of an asset is affected by future expectations (as I think you mentioned). If the price of gasoline is $4.00 a gallon today, and I have credible information Iran will absolutely, 100%, close the straits of Hormuz tomorrow–which, in turn, would cause a global supply shock of oil–I'd buy every ounce of gasoline at $4.00 per gallon today as I could because when the supply shock hits, the price will increase dramatically. Everyone else with the same information and/or expectation would most likely do the same. This 'rush' to stock up on oil in anticipation of the "shock", with the intent to sell it in the future at an inflated price, would increase "demand" of oil itself–not necessarily because people "demand" the commodity to "use" it; rather, there would be an increased "demand" to purchase, and hoard, the commodity with the expectation to sell it at a higher price in the future–this phenomenon actually has pressure on both the supply and demand side of the commodity. This kind of "behavior"–buying a commodity simply to resell it in the future at a higher price, rather than to use it (like filling up your car, eating corn, or drinking water) is sometimes referred to as "speculation", but the semantics are beside the point. It's like a bottle of water before (or even after) an impending hurricane, and almost every grocery and convenient store in the area is sold out–and everyone wants it–the price of something as simple and normally accessible as a gallon of water can skyrocket…even if the price of the same exact gallon of water is stable and significantly less only a few hundred miles away in a different State. If I knew a severe hurricane was coming, and if I owned a convenient store, maybe I'd just leave as many gallons of water in the back in storage–even if it costs sales today–with the expectation to cash in on the inflated price of it tomorrow. It's the same concept. The bottom line is that gasoline prices are definitely being significantly affected by all of this "unpleasantness" and "uncertainty" involving the US/Iran/and Israel.
I don't necessarily disagree with you about the invoked "Keynesian" economics in today's political climate–I would say it is more or less equivalent to "supply-side economics" as explained and practiced by politicians these days. It wouldn't even differ from "laissez-faire" economics if implemented and practice by politicians today. It's called "corruption", plain and simple. It doesn't matter what you call it…you can put lipstick on a pig, but…
But I see all of that as a separate issue from the gasoline prices today–which is what most people care about…today. The point is that rapid increase today in gas prices are a direct result of the potential "war" situation, and other factors are much less controlling–today, that is.
Sam Lowry
March 20th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
One of the two real functions of Federal Reserve Magic Tokens is to allow the banks to pretend that money exists in more than one place at a time. Absent fiat currency, futures contracts would operate as explained. One could either lend money one actually had to those who could genuinely deliver in the future (a real futures investment), or one could lend money to those who could actually buy and hold present goods (speculation). What the Chris Cook post describes seems to be something else entirely–something analogous to precious metals trading funds where you can't actually ever take delivery. And the ironic part, as explained in the reference is that it gathers money from exactly those who wish to protect themselves from the devaluation of the dollar due to Federal-Reserve monetary expansion.
But again I think this only makes my point. The game is rigged. But merely knowing the game is rigged doesn't help. Even worse, many of those who know the game is rigged are suckered into playing the game ever the more enthusiastically thinking that the mere knowledge of this fact gives them an advantage. Consequently, those who actually rig the game–those with privileged access to freshly-printed money–don't mind if a few people figure out that the game is rigged, as long as this privilege itself isn't threatened.
Fiat currency is theft–theft on an unimaginable scale. And it enables many other crimes, most notably war. Only the destruction of fiat currency will deny the warmongers their power.
Sam Lowry
March 20th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I can't resist one more point. I have a book on finance and investment from the 1920s. It explains that unless you are intimately familiar not only with a given industry, but the financial workings of a given company in that industry–that is, if you aren't what would now days be described as an 'insider,'–you have no business buying stock in that company.
The purpose of financial regulation is to sucker people into playing a rigged game. The purpose of 'privatizing' social security is to make all that money available to privileged players. If you save your dollars you lose through inflation. If you invest your dollars you lose to insiders. All they care about is that you be forced to play the game.