In Defense of the Kochtopus
The Koch empire versus the American empire
Suddenly, the “Kochtopus” is in the news – a subject about which I have first hand knowledge. That’s because, for a year and a half or so in the late 1970′s, I was part of it: part of the “family” of organizations funded by Charles and David Koch, two of the richest men in America. I wrote about this period at length in my 2000 biography of Murray Rothbard, An Enemy of the State, and thought I would never return to the subject again. Alas, history has caught up with the “Kochtopus,” as we used to call it with some bitterness mixed with affection, and today the Koch empire is the object of the Left’s vexatious attention, with the Kochs billed as “the billionaire brothers who are waging a war against Obama,” as Jane Mayer put it in a widely-cited piece in the New Yorker magazine.
The Obama network, otherwise known as MSNBC, has regularly railed against the nefarious influence of the Kochian conspirators, with all the subtlety of Pravda denouncing those Trotskyite wreckers and agents of the Mikado who are undermining the Revolution from within. State-controlled National Public Radio has joined the chorus, along with Frank Rich, who, from his perch at the New York Times, hurls invective at these “tycoons,” whose “radical agenda” is being covertly imposed on the country by the “invisible hands” of Big Business, personified by the brothers Koch. Rich cites the work of Kim Phillips-Fein, an assistant professor at New York University Gallatin School, whose book, Invisible Hands: The Making of the Conservative Movement from the New Deal to Reagan, seeks to debunk the populist credentials of the American Right by peddling a sophisticated conspiracy theory that posits the “invisible hands” of billionaires as the real force behind the such movements as the Tea Party and its predecessors. Sketching out a skeletal history of this nefarious, progress-resisting billionaires’ cabal, Rich traces their origin back to the American Liberty League, set up by Midwestern businessmen to oppose the New Deal:
“You can draw a straight line from the Liberty League’s crusade against the New Deal “socialism” of Social Security, the Securities and Exchange Commission and child labor laws to the John Birch Society-Barry Goldwater assault on J.F.K. and Medicare to the Koch-Murdoch-backed juggernaut against our ‘socialist’ president.”
What Rich, Mayer, and the other chroniclers of the “Invisible Hands” behind the libertarian-conservative movement elide from their pocket history is the one factor that sets the Kochs apart from post-cold war conservatives (and liberals), and that is their untrammeled anti-militarism. The Cato Institute, which was started with Koch money, stood almost alone in Washington against the first Iraq war [.pdf], and staunchly opposed the more recent invasion – just as they oppose Obama’s wars in Afghanistan [.pdf] and beyond. Cato has also stood up for our civil liberties, opposing the PATRIOT Act, and the whole panoply of post-9/11 repressive measures initiated by the Bush administration and expanded by Obama. Right after 9/11, the Koch brothers gave the ACLU $20 million to fight off the Bushies’ assault on the Constitution (George Soros gave half as much).
The Kochs stand at the end of a long albeit virtually unknown tradition. The American Liberty League, which Rich and his ideological allies disdain, was financed by many of the same businessmen who later founded the biggest organized peace movement in our history, the America First Committee. A thoroughgoing anti-interventionism motivated these men, as much as horror at what Roosevelt was doing on the home front.
Contrary to Rich’s assertion that the Liberty Leaguers were a bunch of reactionary Republicans, in fact they were mostly dissident Democrats, such as League chairman Jouett Shouse, a GM executive, former chairman of the Executive Committee of the Democratic Party. The leadership included two former Democratic presidential candidates, Alfred E. Smith and John W. Davis, and John Raskob, another GM executive and former Democratic national chairman. Contra Rich, they were a bit more thoughtful than their alleged legatees in the Tea party, who think Obama is a ‘socialist.” It was Al Smith, who declared:
“Don’t let anyone tell you that President Roosevelt is a Communist. That is not so. Or don’t let anyone tell you he is a Socialist. That is not so. He is neither a Communist nor a Socialist—any more than I am—but something has taken place in this country—there is a certain kind of foreign ‘ism’ crawling over this country. What it is I don’t know. What its first name will be when it’s christened I haven’t the slightest idea. But I know it is here, and the sin about it is that [Roosevelt] doesn’t seem to know it.”
What the Liberty League and its successors opposed was the centralization of all power in the hands of the State: they saw the New Deal as an assault on the Constitution, and the distinctly American idea that government must be strictly limited, as opposed to the European concept of the Total State, which was fashionable among intellectuals at the time. When Roosevelt plotted to get us involved in the European war, the anti-New Dealers joined with many Democrats and progressives, such as Burton K. Wheeler, the LaFollettes, and Norman Thomas, the Socialist party standard-bearer, in organizing the America First Committee, which campaigned against the President’s largely covert efforts to drag us into the conflict.
Phillips-Fein identifies Jasper Crane, a Dupont executive, as one of the sinister “Invisible Hands” plotting against the New Deal, and it was in a letter to Crane that Rose Wilder Lane, the libertarian activist who served as Crane’s ideological adviser, expressed the apprehension that motivated her and her comrades in their opposition to intervention and all things Rooseveltian: that we would fight national socialism on the European front, only to succumb to a homemade version of it on the home front.
It was, at the time, a valid fear: the President had tried to pack the Supreme Court in order to push through his program, and the spectacle of various “isms” of a totalist nature marching across Europe and Asia was enough to invest this fear with a certain immediacy. Today, as we wage endless global war, and the trustification of the American economy proceeds apace under President Obama, this same fear is rising up from the populist grassroots, much to the chagrin of Frank Rich and the entire political class in Washington and New York, which dreads any popular expression of outrage at the depredations of government. Why can’t the hoi polloi just shut up and take their medicine? After all, we know what’s good for them.
Posing as populists, however fake, Rich and his friends in the administration can’t hope to make any progress with that line, so they came up with this tycoons-against-government narrative, which seeks to create a conspiracy theory in order to explain rising popular opposition to the Obama-ite agenda of Big Government and perpetual war.
It won’t work, because it has nothing to do with the facts. Rich opines that none of Mayer’s blogger critics “found any factual errors in her 10,000 words,” but the piece is riddled with them, not to mention based on a completely false premise, as stated by Rich:
“Her article caused a stir among those in Manhattan’s liberal elite who didn’t know that David Koch, widely celebrated for his cultural philanthropy, is not merely another rich conservative Republican but the founder of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, which, as Mayer writes with some understatement, ‘has worked closely with the Tea Party since the movement’s inception.’”
Manhattan’s liberal elites may be content to get their reporting on the inner workings of the conservative-libertarian movement from The New Yorker, perhaps because of the cartoons, but the tea parties were created by another wing of the libertarian movement, and not the Kochtopus, which only later – after the movement took off – decided to go along for the ride. The first tea parties were organized by supporters of Ron Paul, who, on the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, in December 2007, held rallies across the country and held a “money bomb” for Paul’s campaign raising the all-time record for a single day’s political fund-raising. The organizations affiliated with the Kochs have long kept their distance from Rep. Paul: they view him as an unbridled radical, and one who – worse, from their perspective – can’t be controlled or reined in.
This is typical of the methods of the Koch organizations, which rarely initiate anything: instead, they glom on to an existing movement, “entryist”-style, and bore from within. One example: when the independent campaign of John Anderson for President took off, and stole the thunder of the Libertarian Party’s 1980 presidential campaign, they joined Anderson’s briefly-existing “National Unity Party” in the hopes of taking it over. Like most of their entryist tactics, this one flopped spectacularly, with the Andersonites rejecting their wise counsel and opting to go their own way.
The Rich-Mayer conspiracy narrative that puts the Kochs at the epicenter of a Vast Right-Wing Cabal to Take Over America creates a fearsome amalgam that throws everyone to Obama’s right in the same pot, creating a goulash of some rather discordant ingredients. Rupert Murdoch isn’t funding the Tea Parties, as much as Fox News is promoting them: he is funding the Weekly Standard, the chief organ of yet another rightist groupuscule, the neoconservatives, which is seeking to hitch a ride on the Tea Party bandwagon. These are the mosque-bashers, who seek to scapegoat Muslim Americans the way Rich’s hero, Roosevelt, scapegoated Japanese-Americans. Yet the Cato crowd has not joined that particular lynch mob, and it is totally unfair to group the Kochs with Murdoch and the neocons.
Another point to make is that the Rich-Mayer narrative portrays the Koch brothers as dangerous “radicals,” whose anti-government politics are close to anarchism. If only! The truth is that the entire history of this tendency is one of almost fanatical moderation: if anything is to be gleaned from their thirty-five year history as an organized force on the right, it is that they often mistake respectability for success. In 1980, when their chosen candidate for President, Libertarian nominee Ed Clark, appeared on national television in an appearance that has become legendary in libertarian circles, he described libertarianism as “low tax liberalism”! The final straw, as far as many LP activists were concerned, came when Clark (at Cato President Ed Crane’s urging) refused to come out for abolition of the income tax – a stance which made him less radical than the neoconnish Jack Kemp.
Crane and Koch walked out of the Libertarian Party because the party refused to moderate its radicalism – which makes it more than somewhat ironic that Mayer and Rich are attributing the LP’s radicalism (long since dissipated, by the way) to the Koch brothers. And when a truly radical libertarian current did emerge, out of the Ron Paul campaign, with a real mass following, the Cato-ites disdained it, telling Chris Hayes of The Nation magazine that Paul was too populist and plebeian for their aristocratic oh-so-high-minded selves. He wasn’t, they averred, cosmopolitan enough.
Always behind the curve, never ahead, the Kochtopus is an unwieldy, and often clueless entity, one that usually goes along with much of the Washington conventional wisdom in order to get along. Far from being the “Invisible Hands” of the American right-wing, or of anything else for that matter, they are Johnnie-come-latelies to the tea party, and simply hope to cash in on a movement that has already taken off.
What is so dishonest about the Rich-Mayer conspiracy theory, however, is not what they say about the Kochs, but what they leave out. That $20 million contribution to the ACLU, post-9/11, pretty much says it all: these are not reactionary Know-Nothings, or even Republicans of a familiar hue. The fear and hate exuded by the “get the Kochs” crowd is motivated by panic: the fear that the Obama-ites are about to lose their grip on power, and that they’ll lose it in part due to the Achilles heel of this administration: our interventionist foreign policy.
The Kochs, and Cato, have been staunch opponents of the Af-Pak war, as well as the escalation of the war on our civil liberties that George W. Bush started and Obama has continued. The biggest fear of the Obama cultists is that this potent combination – opposition to Big Government and foreign wars – will coalesce in a populist upsurge against Washington. If allowed to take off, such a movement would appeal to the Obama-ite’s base, which, you’ll recall, came together initially due to Obama’s supposed “antiwar” credentials. Now that his administration is handing out trillions to the banksters, the left-wing of the Democratic party is beginning to grumble, and there’s a rebellion brewing in the ranks – which Obama’s wars, in Afghanistan and Pakistan, could ignite into a prairie fire.
In which case, rather than FDR, the model for the Obama presidency may turn out to be Lyndon Baines Johnson, who was harried out of office by antiwar protesters shouting “hey hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?!”
God knows, I am no fan of the Kochtopus: I’ve often pointed out their shortcomings, from a libertarian perspective, in this space. They betrayed their founding principles time and time again, driving out their former intellectual mentor, Murray Rothbard, when he wouldn’t toe the party line, and refusing to this day to acknowledge him as the true founder and inspirer of the Cato Institute. They then smeared and demonized him, trying to cut off such support as he had. Yet the Rothbardian wing of the movement prospered without Koch money, and eventually gave birth to the Ron Paul campaign: the most successful libertarian effort in our movement’s storied history.
This underscores the paucity and one-dimensionality of the Rich-Mayer conspiracy theory, which posits that everything is about money: yes, money can help create a movement, but it cannot sustain it, or ensure its success. The Ron Paul campaign was pathetically underfunded, in the beginning, until the Ron Paul for President “money bomb” taught the rest of the political world how online fundraising is really done. It’s passion – ideological passion – that energizes political movements: money is an afterthought. The Frank Riches of this world think money determines everything: a curiously plutocratic idea for alleged liberals to hold, but there you have it. The truth, however, is that ideas rule the world, not dollars – and the “Invisible Hands” are not the billionaires, but the ideologues and activists to whom they must inevitably turn.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Edward Snowden vs. the Sovietization of America – June 18th, 2013
- A Note to My Readers – June 16th, 2013
- Datagate and the Death of American Liberalism – June 13th, 2013
- Smear Brigade Goes After Snowden – June 11th, 2013
- Edward Snowden, American Hero – June 9th, 2013





camus10
August 29th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
JR,
Is it really so clear then that the neocon machine (Fox-Murdoch) are distinct in their antistate ( stirring sectarian conflicts) actions from the tea-party whacks. So why are Beck (Fox) and Palin (tea) holding rallies together. Sorry I still cant distinguish a difference
Dave Nalle
August 30th, 2010 at 1:44 am
I also worked on the Koch dime back when Justin was part of their vast machine, but I think he sells them short to some degree here, though it's nice that he's generally standing up for them.
The Koch approach to libertarianism as reflected in the Cato Institute and to a lesser extent in AFP, is much more true to classical liberalism than the Rothbard/Rockwell/Paul variety which is tainted heavily by influences like the John Brich Society and the Southern Nationalist Movement.
It is not that the Kochs rejected Rothbard and Paul, but that the radicals moved away from a more pure liberty ideology into something which eventually evolved into paleoconservatism. If you look at what Ron Paul espouses today and compare it with the values of Libertarianism at its founding there are major differences and a general corruption of the ideals of the movement.
The conspiratorial hogwash, the anti-globalism, the moralistic social conservatism, the obsession with the Federal Reserve and ultimately the thinly-veiled anti-semitism which surround Paul and his movement are an unwelcome addition and distraction from the focus on liberty.
Libertarianism should be about liberty first and foremost, and not about states rights or the gold standard or abolishing the 14th amendment. Our economic and personal liberty are under genuine attack and that seems to be the primary focus of the efforts of the Kochs and their money.
Clearly Obama finds it threatening, but I find it reassuring. What the Democrats will never understand is that you can be rich and yet still genuinely believe in and promote liberty for reasons beyond just advancing your personal interests.
Dave Nalle
Chairman, Republican Liberty Caucus
mother of necessity
August 30th, 2010 at 2:53 am
"Libertarianism should be about liberty first and foremost…"
"liberty first and formost" gives europeans the right to subdue and exterminate native populations, gives israel and the israel lobby the right to lie america into wars, and gives financial wizards the right to loot america.
"liberty" will also replace the trillion barrels of easy oil we've already burned, and finally scotch "conspiratorial hogwash" about the causes of 9/11 and the "war on terror"
Paul H
August 30th, 2010 at 4:38 am
Ok I get it – the idea is noble but this movement of Ron Paul's is anti-semitic and conspiratorial. Next time try a different approach and I might, in a fleeting instance, actually consider your argument.
Mhstahl
August 30th, 2010 at 7:16 am
This is exactly why "libertarianism" is an unwieldy term:
"The Koch approach to libertarianism as reflected in the Cato Institute and to a lesser extent in AFP, is much more true to classical liberalism "
That only makes sense if you think that classical liberalism is "libertarianism's" philosophic ancestor. My guess is that is true for you, but not for me. I would point rather to 19th century individual anarchism-Thoreau, Spooner, et al.
These are two utterly and totally disparate traditions of thought-that the same term is now used for each ought to explain why there is so much barking.
Never mind that the folks who first used the term(and still do) were LEFT anarchists in the tradition of Proudhon or Bakunin.
By the way, nice use of boogymen, its always helpful to inject senseless prejudice into a discussion. Though I do have to ask-just when has government NOT been acting contrary to economic and personal liberty? This is hardly a new crisis, and certainly the quasi-governmental organ known as the FED has a role in it-or do you disagree?
ScottC
August 30th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Justin, I don't think you understand economics, many libertarians ignore many facts to make their arguments simple. Since most libertarians are (professionals) their blind spot may be self serving, or a consequence of their insular and weak nature of the profession they are in. I don't call it a weak profession as a pejorative, but relative to their fiduciary duties journalists and professors must serve–compared to serving lawyers, accountants or even Realtors.
There isn't a "free market" but three markets. The first is the free market–customer is always right, because there are alternatives and competition. All the bromides do fit this market, both customer and provider say thank you.
The next market is the professional market. These markets are/should be guided by laws of agency–fiduciary responsibilities. It's vital that the client and agent are clearly defined (note, the customer is not so called but is a client, patient whatever, a hint that these markets and the roles are special.) Journalists and professors are professionals but their duties are limited to telling the truth and not sleeping with students, respectively. In this market, there is no alternative (lawyers and doctors have a monopoly in their fields, though there is competition) Ben Franklin famously said, "a country boy between two lawyers is like a fish between two cats.
Finally, we have the utility/monopoly market. These are unique because there is no competition and there is no alternatives. These aren't due to a dearth of competitors but are inherent in the market. (It doesn't make sense to have competing power lines, water, or roads–these are known a infrastructure) Another feature of these markets are that their customer is the gov't, if they aren't gov't owned. This makes these markets prime to lobbying. Another is that gov't generally invests substantial sums into establishing these firms. I believe that he who pays says, so, when gov't underwrites your business, it's natural you lose control. Furthermore, these markets are by definition essential, so pricing power is unlimited. Gasoline rising to $4/gal only saw a 5% decline in demand. So, the consumer is far from right, or even a fish between two cats, but utterly powerless. This is why utilities were traditionally held to 10% margins.
Now, to the Koch bros. They've received over $100million from Uncle Sam. They're lobbying against the pennies paid to the poor, but seek to protect their millions? This is called profiteering, and it's the most pernicious form of socialism. So, the complaint I have is that these mega socialist are lobbying against social programs.
Libertarians too often ignore these different markets, sophistically using free market examples to make their points. But the world is far more complicated than that. The Koch bros, make money of defense contracts, and other service to gov't. When we're talking about stationary that's fine, when we're talking about mega, specialty contractors, it's a different matter all together.
I don't flatly support regulation, though the CFTC did keep oil traded at supply and demand levels, not at speculation levels. The Wall Street traders should be subject to simple laws of agency, thus a "shitty deal" would be something the consumer could sue over, and should be able to. This is preferable to a regulator, a bundle of laws, with loopholes for sale to the highest bidder.
Libertarians like to argue that there are many ways to address problems and that the free market does that. But, they're also arguing that there is only one way to do something and that not only betrays their first argument but ignores the vast transfers of wealth in the utility monopoly market. On this note, John Galt is the biggest beneficiary of socialism in all of literature, and his epiphany is childish and selfish. (In reality, the land the railroads were built on were given to them by the gov't.)
You can't argue that people have a right to their own property, when they come to suck on the Federal teat. So, it's good that Kato was against the war, we are in 100% accord there. But, it is silly and dangerous to allow these titans unfettered access and profits off the gov't. If you want to serve the gov't tit, you have to do it for 10%. You might say, what about innovation. That is an argument that only the ignorant would make, R&D ARE business expenses and hence aren't part of profits, rather a terrific way to redirect margins. Do you understand this? Paul Craig Roberts thought this paradigm better explains markets than the Chicago School's self serving ideology.
John V. Walh
August 30th, 2010 at 7:44 am
Justin,
Thanks for this essay. It is a very much needed corrective.
When I read the New Yorker piece on the Koch brothers, I knew at once that there were lies of omission because the authoress, Jane Mayer, said nothing about the Kochtopus's views on wars and foreign policy. I suspected right then and there that the Koches had some redeeming feature. I was encouraged in that when I found that they were for the very sound idea of abolishing the FBI and CIA outright. Bravo, I said to myself.
But with Justin's detailed knowledge and experience of the Libertarian movement, his piece is an excellent corrective and expose of Mayer. By the way, Mayer's prose is dismal – as is Frank Rich's I might say.
But of course Mayer taking her cue from a line in one of Obama's speeches is simply firing one of the opening shots in an effort to drive the Democrat base into a frenzy for election day. The Republicans are doing the same with their base, using anti-Muslim hysteria. The design of course is to get us to fight one another to get one or another wing of the War Party elected. As they divide us, we are ruled and they continue their empire, assault on civil liberties and waste of our wealth and economy.
The neocons and their allies must be smirking as they see us fight one another.
John V. Walsh
GradyWilson
August 30th, 2010 at 7:47 am
Mayer's exposing the Kochs as financial backers of warmongering Republicans – especially GW Bush, along with Raimondo's defense of the Koch's and Cato show once again the absolute hypocricy of so called "anti-war" libertarians. Libertarians are corporate fascists financed by the rich and powerful – many of whom profit from the imperial warmongering central state they pretend to abhore.
MvGuy
August 30th, 2010 at 8:13 am
The next time the TSA guy has me naked staring up the crack between my cheeks, I am gonna think of you and your [unexplained] concept of liberty…..and how we got to this point where the rule of law has ended and raw state power becomes king…
Justin Raimondo
August 30th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Ron Paul "anti-semitic"? So much for the "Republican Liberty Caucus"!
mother of necessity
August 30th, 2010 at 9:27 am
it's hard to tell where this Dave Nalle guy is coming from, but it's very likely that ron paul's appearances on alex jones' programs contribute to the Koch's contempt for ron paul, seeing as how the koch's are such hardcore science-oriented guys, and alex jones believes in abiotc oil and chemtrails… both of which "exist" without a shred of proof of their existence.
it's painful to see paul appearing on jones' show, seeing as how jones is such a dingbat.
BUT… the koch boys have contributed $48 million bucks to climate change denial, which is another scientific sort of thing, seeing as how co2 is a warming gas and we're pumping an extra 30 billions tons of the stuff into the atmosphere every year.
of course, the koch boys' rice bowl might be severely damaged if any meaningful (from a global warming standpoint) restrictions were placed on oil consumption… so, when science conflicts with profits, guess which gets shafted.
it all adds up to massive confusion, backbiting and disunity in the general population, which has to be considered a good thing.
mother of necessity
August 30th, 2010 at 9:37 am
"From 2005 to 2008, Koch industries donated $5.7 million on political campaigns and $37 million on direct lobbying to support fossil fuel industries. Between 1997 and 2008, Koch Industries donated a total of nearly $48 million to climate opposition groups."
wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries
*shrug*
Peaceful_Idiot
August 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Glenn Greenwald has written two papers for CATO since 2008. After the Mayer article, a butthurt true believer interventionist, upset because Mr. Greenwald isn't a rabid interventionist and so he therefore didn't hitch a ride with the rest of the unprincipled left when they scampered off to teach calculus to the women of Afghanistan while they stared down the barrel of a gun, has decided to attack him for it. It's truly bizarre, accusing Mr. Greenwald, Jane Hamshire, and Markos of working behind the scenes with reactionaries in a bid to overturn the Dem majority in the house, all in order to hamsting Obama's climate change legislation.
Truly bizarre. Paranoid.
Jerry
August 30th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
So the Koches=libertarianism? Wow, do you even try to understand Raimondo's points? In all your posts, I've never seen evidence of it.
Jerry
August 30th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
It's not just any and all forms of property rights that libertarians support. You should do some reading on libertarian political theory…
GradyWilson
August 31st, 2010 at 2:56 am
Another trait of the "Libertarians" – deny that other idiot libertarians are libertarians.
Who would ever think that that the Cato boys were libertarians? Or Greenspan? Just who do you guys claim as yours anymore? Who haven't you thrown overboard?
Seems to me Justin's point was defending the Koch boys Jerry since the title was "In defense of the Kochtopus". Justin even wants to paint them as being honorably anti-war even though they were huge financial backers of the war criminal GW Bush.
Justin's denial that money has enormous influence in politics is right wing BS lies and everyone reading it knows it. The Koch boys (and all the other rich political players) have enormous influence in US politics and libertarians work for them.
liberal
August 31st, 2010 at 6:05 am
You're close, very close.
The problem with libertarianism is that while it correctly claims that people should own the fruit of their labor, they also think people should own the fruit of no one's labor—to wit, land and other natural resources.
Google "royal libertarians" and start reading…
Jerry
August 31st, 2010 at 6:11 am
Again, you characterize all libertarians by the beliefs a few people. There are important differences between the theories, beliefs, and actions of the Koches and, say, Lew Rockwell.
It is simply ignorance to claim otherwise, as you seem to.
Can the theories of all socialists be characterized by the beliefs of Stalin? Accordingto your logic the answer is yes.
Andrewp111
August 31st, 2010 at 6:14 am
No, If the Obama Democrats lose power, it won't be over foreign intervention. It will be over ObamaCare – the single biggest example of the concept of the "Total State" from this administration.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/20…
"The fear and hate exuded by the “get the Kochs” crowd is motivated by panic: the fear that the Obama-ites are about to lose their grip on power, and that they’ll lose it in part due to the Achilles heel of this administration: our interventionist foreign policy. "
And I wouldn't put it past Obama to do a foreign intervention as an October Surprise to help his party in the elections.
Peter
August 31st, 2010 at 6:34 am
I don't know why people think is state runned. The law requires people to buy private insurance. If anything that's closer to facism which decides government policies according to corporate interest. People still keep calling it socialism. What socialist would support corporations? Go read the counterpunch writers on how they feel about Obamacare. They hate it because it is really a corporate bill that makes us slaves to big insurance.
GradyWilson
August 31st, 2010 at 10:35 am
"When economic power became concentrated in a few hands, then political power flowed to those possessors and away from the citizens, ultimately resulting in an oligarchy or tyranny." -John Adams
"We can have democracy in this country or we can have great concentrated wealth in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both." -Justice Louis Brandeis
"I hope we shall . . . crush in [its] birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations." -Thomas Jefferson
Libertarian ideology creates the concentration of wealth along with the corresponding political power in the hands of an elite few – like the Kochs (and Soros etc.). Justin and the libertarians advocate for the rights of these economic elite while pretending to be against entrenched power. Some are confused and being used and some are simply laboring for their masters.
The_Orlonater
August 31st, 2010 at 11:07 am
I don't agree with all the above commenter said, but your commenting is nothing but arrogant smearing that has nothing to do with the above comment. You also obviously ignored what Justin mentioned of the good that Cato does.
The_Orlonater
August 31st, 2010 at 11:09 am
You still haven't responded to my old comments, having a hard time?
The_Orlonater
August 31st, 2010 at 11:18 am
Wrong. Natural resources are the the "fruits of ones labor." Only with human creativity were natural resources such as natural gas, petroleum, and coal sought after and needed. Hundreds of years ago, those resources when seen were probably only considered nuisances. Secondly, putting the government in charge of those resources is not akin to "giving it to the people." It is setting up an institutional environment in which exploitation sets up negative externalities. Regarding land, if you mix your labor with land which was previously unowned and or had its title transferred to you, then you are the rightful owner. If you want to do some reading, read George Reisman's The Tyranny of Socialism in chapter 8 of his book Capitalism.
Bob D
August 31st, 2010 at 12:11 pm
The Cato Institute is a mixed sucess for us non-interventionists. Several of your collegues who used to write there very effectively have either quit, or more likely been run out of there. Folks that are really good journalists. And Cato repopulated their management ranks with warmongering neocons who now appear to be in control. It must make people like Krystol, Rich and Mayer very happy, at least on the foreign policy front.
Bob D
August 31st, 2010 at 12:33 pm
I see you got a +3 on your comments peacegook but they make no sense. You call Koch a neocon then cite all of the domestic libertarian values he supported (which I take it you don't agree with). True, Justin should have documented Koch's noninterventionist paper trail if he has any, but unless two wrongs make a right, you should cite his warmongering paper trail. You have some responsibility as a blogger just as Justin does. I can't find much on Rand Paul for Foreign policy, and Koch was not running for congress in the midlle of two wars like Rand Paul is. Do you support Rand Paul?
Ron Paul is the founder of the contemporary tea party. Anyone who didn't fall off the turnip cart in 2009 knows that. True the neocons are trying to rewrite Ron Paul out of the Tea Party movement because they want to make it a neocon perpetual war movement. And they are getting away with it in the Mainstream media world which you seem to reside
GradyWilson
August 31st, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Just making an observation; that "anti-war"Justin's defense of the Koch bros who funded the war criminal GW Bush is pathetic and again exposes the fraudulence of the right wing 'anti-war' movement. JR even goes on to attack Rich and Mayer in the same manner that a warmonger neocon like Jonah Goldberg would. Libertarians, like the Tea Baggers, are simply a faction within the GOP, IMHO – when all is said and done they stick together and unite over their absolute hatred of the left.
remember – Stalin, like you and your libertarian zealots, despised democracy and the right to vote, unlike socialists.
Justin – nice adverts for warmongering neocon Michelle Bachmann! Gives the 'anti-war' theme so much cred. At least we haven't seen any ads for Fred Phelps – yet.
GradyWilson
August 31st, 2010 at 1:03 pm
"..Now, to the Koch bros. They've received over $100million from Uncle Sam. They're lobbying against the pennies paid to the poor, but seek to protect their millions? This is called profiteering, and it's the most pernicious form of socialism…"
BS. What you describe is the moral corruption of the Koch bros and their like minded, poor hating, fellow fascists.
GradyWilson
August 31st, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Of course the good Dr.Paul has shown sympathy for Palestinians. To some that makes him an anti-semite equal of course to Hitler!
EJK
August 31st, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Raimondo's Brave New World libertarianism exposed: massive government power — the only power possibly moved by citizen action — BAD; massive private tyranny power, created by ghouls, vampires, fixers and murderers totally out of the public eye — oh, never mind. Justin the Corporate Totalitarian Tool.
And what does Frank Rich have to do with anything? Who you gonna beat up next, JR? Pauline Kael?
PT
August 31st, 2010 at 11:03 pm
An interesting article, and a brisk discussion. I just can't for the life of me see what it's got to do with the mission of antiwar.com… But then, Justin does occasionally get sidetracked and write about irrelevant personal issues, and why not indeed. I'll just turn the page and move on.
The_Orlonater
September 2nd, 2010 at 6:55 pm
No, if it's done by unnatural non-market based exchange, then it's the political system you clown.
Dave Nalle
December 15th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Justin. I did NOT say that Ron Paul was antisemitic. I guess it was foolish to hope you might read more carefully before commenting. I said that Paul and his movement were "surrounded by thinly veiled anti-semitism." Being surrounded by something is not the same thing as being something. If I'm standing inside a fence that doesn't make me a fence.
It's not Ron Paul's fault that people like the Stormfront nazis and David Duke supported him in the last election, or that the anti-Fed movement attracts so many people who think the problem is the jews, not the policies. However, this is something which raises concerns for people who look at the movement from the outside.
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