In the summer of 2008, an op ed piece by Benny Morris, an Israeli historian of note, warned:
"Israel will almost surely attack Iran’s nuclear sites in the next four to seven months – and the leaders in Washington and even Tehran should hope that the attack will be successful enough to cause at least a significant delay in the Iranian production schedule, if not complete destruction, of that country’s nuclear program. Because if the attack fails, the Middle East will almost certainly face a nuclear war – either through a subsequent pre-emptive Israeli nuclear strike or a nuclear exchange shortly after Iran gets the bomb."
The Israeli government has been openly threatening Iran with attack for years, and we have learned not to take their outbreaks of war hysteria too seriously. During the last year of George W. Bush’s final term in office, there was heightened speculation that Tel Aviv was pressuring Washington to launch such an attack, and indeed it appears Vice President Dick Cheney argued for precisely that, albeit to no avail. Now the war talk has been revived by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who, along with his defense minister, Ehud Barak, has not only been arguing within the Cabinet for such a strike, but has now supposedly moved into the implementation stage.
We are told by the Israeli media that there is a big debate going on, with two former top officials – Meir Dagan, recently retired as head of the Mossad, and Yuval Diskin, head of Shin Bet – going so far as to leak the specifics of Bibi’s scheme in order to torpedo the plan. Dagan is said to have remarked that the war plans are "the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard" – and he’s quite right.
The problem with this alleged plan is that Israel doesn’t have the military capacity to do the job and do it well: Iran’s nuclear facilities are enclosed within hardened sites, and are spread out to such a degree that Israeli war planes would have trouble reaching them. While the Israelis have recently tested a long-range missile that has the capacity to hit Iranian targets, the idea that they could take out all the intended targets in one fell swoop is simply a fantasy. Therefore, this alleged "debate" taking place within the Israeli leadership, complete with a phony "investigation" by Netanyahu into who leaked the nonexistent Israeli attack "plan," is a non-event. The whole thing, in short, is a bluff.
But who is being bluffed here? Not the Iranians, who are surely aware of Israel’s incapacity. The volume of the war hysteria is being turned up with one purpose in mind: the Israelis want the US to do their dirty work for them. This is a threat aimed not only – or even primarily – at Iran, but at us.
This has been their modus operandi throughout all the years of the "special relationship": it’s "special" because there is no reciprocity involved. Our unconditional support for the Israeli settler colony has always been an albatross hung ‘round our necks, and never more so than post-9/11, when the need for US allies within the Muslim world is vital. We support them financially, militarily, and politically, while getting absolutely nothing but grief – and more demands – in return.
Under the Bush administration, at least in the beginning, the Israelis had a free hand in Washington, at least as far as the White House was concerned. Their agents of influence permeated the national security bureaucracy and were in place when the 9/11 attacks occurred, ready and willing to carry out a policy that benefited Israel at America’s expense. This has always been Israel’s ace in the hole: the existence of a strong domestic lobby in America to push its interests to the exclusion of all else. While support for Israel is nearly reflexive in the GOP, in part due to the influence of Christian evangelicals of the dispensationalist persuasion, the lobby is also firmly entrenched in the Democratic party, especially in its Clintonian wing.
The lobby’s open hostility to the Obama administration – based on the mere possibility that there would be a more even-handed approach to the Middle East after Bush – culminated in Vice President Joe Biden’s disastrous visit to the Jewish state, where he was ambushed and humiliated by the Israelis.
However, the relationship soon jelled into a more traditional, less openly adversarial mode. Under the "team of rivals" rubric – pushed by plagiarist and court historian Doris Kearns Goodwin in her hagiographic book on Abraham Lincoln’s administration, and Bush idolator-turned-Obamaite Andrew Sullivan – the divisions in the winning Democratic coalition would be healed by replicating Lincoln’s historic compromise with his rivals, incorporating them into the Cabinet. This campaign was successful because it both flattered Obama, likening him to one of the giants of American history, and reduced his power in the key realm of foreign policy – the one area where he is perceived as "weakest," at least from the War Party’s perspective.
The ruling elite was prepared for "change" in all but one area, and so a bargain was struck: Obama would stick to domestic policy, where he would have his hands full anyway, and the Clinton gang would get to set the foreign policy agenda, with the ultimate authority – and responsibility – vested in the President.
With Hillary Clinton’s appointment as Secretary of State, the question of America’s relationship to Israel was turned over to the right-wing of the Democratic party, which has always been among the happiest hunting grounds of the Israel lobby. It was the Clinton administration, you’ll recall, that nearly freed convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, until a rebellion in the military-intelligence community made Bill back off: as a kind of compensation prize, the Israelis got a pardon for financier and reputed Mossad asset Marc Rich, Clinton’s last disgraceful act carried out in the Oval Office. Hillary’s record when it comes to the Palestinian question is down-the-line support for the official Israeli position, with only minor disagreements — such as occurred over the settlements issue — that are soon "resolved" in Israel’s favor.
The announcement of a "plot" by the Iranians to blow up a Washington restaurant with the Saudi ambassador in it was met by near universal skepticism, except where it counts – in Washington and the capitals of Europe. Yet this almost comical tall tale is just the first shot over the bow in the ongoing propaganda war: next week we’ll be hearing from that den of thieves known as the United Nations, whose nuclear watchdog agency will issue a new report on alleged Iranian nuclear weapons research, which promises to be more serious. The British, for their part, have announced their support for military action in advance, and the rest of the West, along with our Arab satraps, is bound to follow in their wake. It is left to the Americans, however, to give the command to strike – not the Israelis.
Israeli efforts to drag us into a war with Iran have so far been limited to provoking Tehran’s proxies in the region – Hamas, Hezbollah, the Syrian Ba’athists – into a direct confrontation with the US. The Netanyahu regime has abandoned this policy of indirection and gradualism, however, and instead opted for a direct assault on the problem: by constantly threatening to strike themselves, the Israelis are counting on their domestic lobby to push the Americans into acting preemptively.
This plan appears to be working. Although the last US intelligence assessment [.pdf] of Iran’s nuclear capabilities asserted with near certainty that Tehran had abandoned its weapons program in 2003, the War Party isn’t too concerned about making its case airtight: the Israel lobby has both parties, and Congress, in its hip pocket, and with Hillary leading the charge the "existential threat" to Israel’s very existence will be met with US force. It’s only a matter of timing.
The War Party, however, has another problem, and that is the objective factors which militate against another war at this time, number one being the imminent collapse of the world economic system, and specifically the instability of the banks. As the dominoes of the Euro-zone fall one upon the other, and the US banking system itself comes under threat, the question of how to finance this war, even while its economic consequences – starting with $200 a barrel oil prices – are visited upon our heads.
This problem can be solved, however, if the political consequences of this "perfect storm" of war and economic implosion line up with the stars. With America at war, the economic privations we will have endured anyway will be masked by the general numbness induced by the atmosphere of crisis. Your home has been foreclosed? You’ve lost your job, or you can’t get to your job because it costs $100 in gas to travel one way? Blame it on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the "nuclear madman" of the Middle East.
The very real financial crisis of the West will be resolved by the introduction of yet another crisis, in this case a completely manufactured and ginned up one. Imbued with new authority, the Obama administration will take full advantage of the wartime atmosphere to impose "emergency" economic measures, commandeering the economy in the name of "national security" and getting the Republicans to go along with it on "patriotic" grounds. We’ll be subjected to endless demands for bipartisan "unity" in the face of a foreign "threat," with both "left" and "right" factions of the War Party inundating the air waves and the blogosphere with war propaganda.
Can it be stopped? Looming economic disaster can’t be forestalled much longer: no matter how many band-aids they put on the cancer, the only cure for the underlying illness is the shock of deflation – and a meteoric plunge in the standard of living. The social and political consequences of such a descent would threaten the very foundations of our political system, and tear the fabric of society apart: war, in such a circumstance, is a unifying factor, one that directs the energy and anger of the populace outward, at some fake foreign "enemy," rather than at the real enemy, which is right there in Washington, D.C.
In the face of this, the supposedly "anti-government" ideology of the Republican "tea party" would vanish overnight, and aside from criticizing the President for not prosecuting the war with sufficient militance, the GOP would line up behind the commander-in-chief. A new comity would come to Washington. Cut the budget? Not in wartime! The only way the Republicans are going to allow a tax hike, which the Obamaites have been yearning for – and which Occupy Wall Street supports in the form of a "transaction tax" – will be if they call it a "war tax," or a "kill the Muslims tax." Such a meeting of the minds is in the works.
As both parties march us off to war with Iran, the reality of who holds the power in this country comes ever clearer in focus: the "team of rivals" that binds the Obamaites to the Clintons also includes to the Republican party establishment when it comes to the question of war and peace. All these factions compete with each other in seeing how low they can kowtow to the Israel lobby: Pat Buchanan’s quip that Washington is "Israeli-occupied territory" is right on the mark.
The Zionist project of a "Greater Israel" faces two big obstacles: Hamas and Hezbollah, backed by Syria and Iran. The Syrians are being taken care of in other ways, but the Iranians are a harder nut to crack. The only hope is to drag the US into a military confrontation with Iran, and let our GIs fight and die for Israel. The question is how to sell this to the American people. Even if the Iranians were to be so foolish as to weaponize their nuclear capabilities – and there is no convincing evidence that they are doing so – this would hardly constitute a credible threat to the United States, or even to Israel. After all, the US faced off with a nuclear-armed Soviet Union, which had enough nukes to extinguish all life on the planet: and yet the stand off lasted throughout the cold war, which never did get hot enough to allow for a nuclear exchange. Both sides were deterred by the horrific consequences of their own weaponry, and the world escaped the worst case scenario.
Indeed, by this measure, a nuclear-armed Iran is hardly an "existential threat" to Israel. For the equalization of the military balance of power would result in a tense but lasting "peace," and eliminate the possibility that Israel – which does have nuclear weapons, and plenty of them – would use nukes against Iran or anyone else in the region, without fear of retaliation in kind.
Such logic, however, is alien to the Washington mindset, which cannot frame the question objectively and has lost all sight of American interests when it comes to the Middle East. This is the result of the distortion of the policymaking process, which has fallen under the undue influence of foreign lobbyists who serve Israel’s interests above all. This is why the issue of Israel’s nuclear arsenal – the single most destabilizing factor in the Middle East – never comes up in our discourse.
The Israel lobby is hell-bent on war, and is likely to get it: but they have to be careful. To launch such a project in the midst of a presidential election season is a risky business. They must do everything in their power to prevent the election from becoming a referendum on the war question, and the simplest way to do that is to make sure both major candidates are securely in the War Party’s camp. That’s the only way they can win: by rigging the outcome.
What’s needed is a mass mobilization against this administration’s war plans, but frankly I see little hope of such a movement arising. The left in this country is so tied to the Obama administration that such a development is highly unlikely to get off the ground, and the right – except for the Ron Paul brigades – is certain to line up in favor of military action in defense of Israel, which they love more than their own country.
In short, we are headed for disaster. As Bette Davis once put it: fasten your seat belts, it’s going to be a bumpy night!
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





dink
November 3rd, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Great Piece Justin. It is also timely. People act like all his war spending is free. Monday’s ominous news that U.S. total debt had exceeded $15 trillion, surpassing gross domestic product for the first time in more than 50 years. Why do so many politicians blindly support ALL Israeli actions regardless of how bad they treat American administrations? Something is rotten in the American electoral system.
Johnny in Wi.
November 3rd, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Amen: I see it the same way. This has been been built up for about a decade. They lied us into Iraq and now they will lie us into Iran. Greater Israel can only be built on the blood and dollars of the American people. We shall have a one party state in effect with one surpreme leader. The concentration camps and firing squads for trouble makers like Justin and the rest of us will follow shortly after.
GIJoe
November 3rd, 2011 at 9:58 pm
The only way to prevent this war is to reinstitute a universal, no-exemptions military draft: once the children of Zion and Harvard have their butts in the crosshairs, all the warmongering will cease.
andy
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Another great article by Justin. Such a credit he is. I can only say for the millionth time that war between America and Iran would be a catastrophe and a human tragedy almost beyond words.
BINSAFI
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Justin continues to Successfully connect the Dots!
War itself, is the Real Enemy!!
So are the Enemies-Within (WAR-Mongers), who ……………………………….
Peace, Love & Respect.
Yonatan
November 4th, 2011 at 3:31 am
You won't read this in the US MSM
- begin quote
Barak said that the Israeli public should not be concerned about the Iranian threat.
“I refuse to be intimidated, as if Iran could destroy Israel, ” Barak said. “Israel is the most powerful country, from Tripoli to Tehran. There is no reason to be afraid of anything.”
-end quote
from:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/bar…
Wolfgang9
November 4th, 2011 at 3:32 am
If Israel bombs the Iran, I can't see how the US can refuse to get involved too.
The US has more than 100,000 soldiers in the area Iraq and Afghanistan) which are
like sitting ducks helpless against Iran's very reliable rockets. That's why the US military is so much against that war. What I fear, however, is that Israel will not be asking the US. They will just create a situation in which it seems to be just to start a war and so force the hands of the US military.
It's not their soldiers who will then die in Iraq and Afghanistan.
W9
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Smithboy
November 4th, 2011 at 5:41 am
I suspect misleading editorials are already being written by the usual neocons suspects praising Israel for being brave enough to keep the world free from a nuclear HOLOCAUST. That's a nuclear HOLOCAUST. Repeat…a nuclear HOLOCAUST !!!
I'm sure Frank Lutz has already crafted talking points that will attempt to address the complaints about 6 dollar a gallon gasoline and the stock market tanking, both of which will occur after Iran is attacked.
Israel is still not done trying to get it's big dumb poodle to attack Iran, a country that actually has a military. Israel much prefers to attack populations that only have rocks to retaliate against their US supplied arsenal.
tomofsnj
November 4th, 2011 at 5:51 am
WE gave Israel a lot of military equipment and we should allow them to do what they want. The only obligation I feel is to help the many Israel family who will bury or force to take care of a cripple son or daughter as a result of an attack. We as friends should help the possible tens of thousand Israel families who will face the lose. In a nation that the jewish population is at a bare minimum one would think the last thing they would do is start an unneeded war that could end up with the arabs as a majority in Israel. What a shock that would be to bibi to find he is a head of an arab nation. That is the stupidity of continue military attacks by Israel. One would think 1973 when Israel would have disappear if the USA had not stepped in with the biggest air lift in the history of mankind.
omop
November 4th, 2011 at 6:04 am
As the [in]famous Las Vegas goes " if by the third hand of the poker game, YOU [ Israel? or is it the US?] don't know who the patsy is"….YOU are it!
john
November 4th, 2011 at 6:36 am
In the summer of 2008, an op ed piece by Benny Morris, an Israeli historian of note, warned:
blah, blah, blah.
So Justin starts his laughably transparent,barely concealed anti semitic rant, by quoting a self loathing, leftist Jew.
There are many of them in Israel, as well as in the US.
Real original work Justice or whatever your name is.
musings
November 4th, 2011 at 6:52 am
Jonathan Pollard. Funny you should mention him. Interesting that he was never freed, that the intelligence community and military have held the line on him. Does that mean there is currently a policy which would keep rounding up Israeli spies and either deporting them or trying them? Or would it be too embarrassing in a campaign season (it's always a campaign season)? Why anyone would imagine this practice ended with Pollard is beyond me.
In spite of the advocacy of this guy and even the value placed on good soldier Shalit, I would not be surprised if Israel continued to risk its own to continue to gather human intelligence and to recruit other critical spies. The difference today is that more and more the American public sees them as a staunch ally the way it saw Britain in WWII, and cannot imagine anything they would do might be to our detriment.
As we know the current chief of intelligence in Israel is regarded as ultra-Orthodox, which means his lieutenants would be too. Therefore the goals they have in mind might be other than simply removing a physical threat to their Jewish homeland, but indeed a threat to some plans the deity put in place thousands of years ago. I would like to see the chief of Israeli intelligence interviewed and asked about what he saw up ahead for Israel. The media dwells on "existential" threats all the time – if they come from Moslems or even secular guys like Saddam and Gaddafy. But who knows the worldview of someone running the show today in Israel, except to say that prior intelligence people, more secular ones, are now warning about Bibi's recent pick to head intelligence.
Getting the worldview of this guy into the open might be useful, but I imagine some people are afraid of what it would do to the image the public cherishes of Israel, because it might prove to be as much of a religiously based view as that of the Ayatollah's. As we can see, Israel itself is in some turmoil, and it isn't just about their economy, it is about their role in the world.
musings
November 4th, 2011 at 6:55 am
I wouldn't be too sure about that. The draft might fly, but be stripped of the no-exemptions clause. And doesn't a nice big army with everyone under orders and everything rationed make it easier to continue to fight wars of choice? I don't notice peace breaking out when there is a draft.
Dahoit
November 4th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Some moron at the Guardian talkback said;"If only there was a Republican candidate who would talk about defending just North America from attack."The power of the MSM to deny the candidate with that message,Dr.Ron Paul,is killing US.
And that bit about Obomba concerning himself with domestic policy is funny in that I wouldn't let him wash my dishes. and of course he defers to his elder mentors of Ivy League poison,who let him walk in their hollow miseducated footsteps.
Why and how could Iran use nuclear weapons on Israel without killing millions of fellow Muslims?Total nonsense.But the opposite is more feasible,and much more likely.
john
November 4th, 2011 at 7:07 am
"In the summer of 2008, an op ed piece by Benny Morris, an Israeli historian of note, warned:"
blah, blah, blah
You quote a self loathing leftist Jew, plenty of whom live in Israel and the US…as though he were a reliable authority.
The irony is that you use the quote of a Jew (of note) in a laughably transparent display of your own personal antisemitism. Such an original work of Justice! Or is it Just in the fact that you are anti Israel and oppose neo con influence in Washington?
You would have been more credible if you had mentioned the "international banking cabal" taking over the world. Ha!
M. Mir
November 4th, 2011 at 7:08 am
Don't be so sure that Isreal does not have the capability to destroy most of Iran's KNOWN nuclear sites, Bushehr, Arak, and Isfahan. They have, by most estimates, 100 – 200 Jericho 2 heavy ballistic missiles with 1 ton payloads. Equipped with a penetrator warhead, which the Isrealis know how to build, these would easily destroy even the underground facility at Isfahan. Only their new facility at Fordo under the mountain is safe at his point. Iran has no missile defence but relatively good air defence against aircraft. Isreal does not even need the element of surprise to use the missile route, hence they are showing all preparations for war out in the open. When Isreal decides to launch, there is really Iran can do to save their nuke sites, UNLESS those GPS jammers the Russians just delivered work as advertised. ;)
John V. Walsh
November 4th, 2011 at 8:04 am
In discussing things of this magnitude, one cannot omit China. As I never tire of saying, China has a libertarian foreign policy and has had for millennia. It has had border clashes but never has spread like an Empire across the seas. And it leaves the internal affairs of others to themselves. China wants economic development and it is banking on economic power. The US is banking on military power – and history shows that is a loser.
So how far can the US go in the Middle East? China will tolerate embargoes less and less. It will do business where it pleases and that will weaken US sanctions. Then too the US hopes to contain China militarily and this would seem to be incompatible with being bogged down in the Middle East. (I do not think it is possible at all.). In 20 years at the most China's economy will be as large as that of the US. China represents a badly needed countervailing power to the US. China should thank Israel and the neocons for busying the Eagle elsewhere and keeping it away from the Dragon's lair.
John V. Walsh
Stefan Reich
November 4th, 2011 at 8:13 am
"war, in such a circumstance, is a unifying factor"
Yes, but it seems you forget another option: revolution. Revolution is a unifying factor and its fuel is the same: people's anger at their repression.
But revoution ultimately is stronger than war because it takes all of the anger and directs it to the proper target – the government. It is the resolution of the whole problem, whereas war is just a continuation of repression.
Eventually the people recognize this – even in the US of A.
"In short, we are headed for disaster."
Well… can't one legitimately say you've been in it for years already?
The future is not necessarily dark, however.
This is all a matter of timing. The curve goes downwards until it reaches the turning point where the new arc – revolution – rises and everything changes.
Yes, also in the US of A. :)
Actually it cannot be very long from now; almost the whole world is in it by now.
Wootie Berster
November 4th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Iran is indeed the focus of concern in Israel.. but for the Atlanticist oligarchs, Iran is but the next step toward encircling and engulfing Russia and it's vast assets. Furthermore, the Russians know this. They know it very very well. This isn't the first time, after all, that western Caesarists have attacked Russia. However, the Russians have been resting since they got kicked out of 'Ghan.. whilst the US and Britain have once again exhausted themselves on too many fronts.
Tunnel vision. It tends to be deadly. The hubris of the aristocrats will destroy us.
Finn
November 4th, 2011 at 8:36 am
I guess you forgot about Stuxnet……
They are pounding the war table continuously so that when the "big one" comes, the massive economic collapse they expect, they can take us to war to prevent social dissolution.
I guess you missed that part.
Lou
November 4th, 2011 at 9:34 am
You are an idiot.
paulBass
November 4th, 2011 at 10:11 am
i see the problem as this
reinstate the draft, and the poor and the masses will be the boots on the ground aka human minesweepers
and the elite and wealthy will fly the drones
maybe even start some kind of fight from home program where they can telecommute to war in their pajamas
andy
November 4th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Actually the Vietnam war killed the draft.
andy
November 4th, 2011 at 11:17 am
You are a super-idiot.
andy
November 4th, 2011 at 11:18 am
You called him anti-Semitic. Justin just won the argument right there.
Bill Arnold
November 4th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Another great and typically well researched article.
Given the quality of your work, the fact that NONE of the major media players will touch you serves to illuminate one of America's top 3 problems: that our information supply is nothing more then a giant propaganda machine.
Thank you and keep up the great work!
musings
November 4th, 2011 at 11:32 am
I remember – it took about a decade to do it in. And now we have the lovely young men killed "because of 9/11" and no "shared sacrifice" , so you can imagine that a draft might be something that would have a certain moral argument – however specious and far-fetched.
Jeremiah
November 4th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Sorry, but this is a terrible idea. Slavery is never a solution to anything. And that's what conscription is—slavery. I mean, aren't we already sufficiently enslaved by our oligarchs? Why give them ALL our young and able to use as cannon fodder? And as musings and paulBass have already pointed out, a reinvigorated draft would not have the effect you desire. For one thing, conscription has an extremely poor record as an anti-militarist measure; for many a field has been fertilized with the blood of conscripts. For another, it would never be applied "fairly." And in fact the word "fair" has no place at all in a discussion of state-mandated slavery.
There are only two ways that all US wars of aggression might permanently end: the first is national economic collapse, which would amount to inadvertent suicide by the cocksure ghouls in Washington; the second is for the American people—or the vast majority thereof—to reject the yoke of Washington, refusing to man its armies, fill its coffers, or obey its commands. My money is on the first scenario; fat chance of the second. But the first also raises a troubling question: what would come after? Renewed freedom—or retooled tyranny?
Sam
November 4th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Turkey-Iran trade amounts to 10 billions €. India , Turkey , Pakistan and China are dependent on iranian oil and gas.America's banker China has invested heavily in Iran's energy sector. Russia is building Iran's nuclear power stations. The big boys all around.
tomofsnj
November 4th, 2011 at 11:52 am
So Andy you would abandon our good Friend Israel if bibi got stuck into a long drawn out land war. We all know bibi is just trying to get us to do the fighting but really you would not want to help our friends if they suffer huge loses. Israel has not had much luck expelling arabs since 1948 so how do you get your side killed off and stay the majority? Israel is already facing a huge exodus of the citizens already. Let a war break out and you will find all the dual citizen back in the good old usa. War is for others not our people is the real intent of bibi.
San Fernando Curt
November 4th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
If I was high up in Israeli ruling circles, I wouldn't want Iran to get the bomb either. Once another state, particularly a hostile one, has comparable doomsday weaponry, Israel's lock on the region would be broken. It couldn't bully and shoot up the neighborhood anymore. We support Israel and enable it to act like a drunk teenager with a gun not only because of its powerful lobby here, but because its nuclear standing gives it negotiable heft in the region. Israel is the fanatical state that would use nuclear weapons, not Iran. We must humor the nutcase holding a match to a case of dynamite. Golly. Was that anti-Semitic? So be it.
rosemerry
November 4th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
It would also be completely unjustified, based only on the paranoid fearmongering of the rightwingers in Israel. Uri Avnery in Israel is sure it is a bluff, but that is bad enough to lead to more confrontation, as with the ridiculous Car salesman/Saudi ambassador plot.
rosemerry
November 4th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
How lucky we are to have such a wonderful ally, bringing peace and joy to the region.
rosemerry
November 4th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Tom, you seem to have a strange mixture of ideas. You are right to say that Bibi would be stupid to start a war which would have devastating consequences for Israel, but since it is a "democracy", the Jewish population must accept the results of decisions made by their leaders, just as the USA does. A war will not "break out", but if Israel attacks, Iran will respond and it will not be pretty for anyone. Iran will certainly not break centuries of tradition and attack Israel or anyone else. Let them live in peace.
rosemerry
November 4th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
How often do you repeat this nonsense?
Jan Burton
November 4th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
For how long will the American people be willing to act as Israel's dumb older brother, beating up the other kids in the schoolyard so that Israel can play with all the toys?
We get NOTHING out of this "special relationship" except dead soldiers and endless enemies.
No more blood for Israeli leibensraum!
Jan Burton
November 4th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
One would think 1973 when Israel would have disappear if the USA had not stepped in with the biggest air lift in the history of mankind.
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Explain to me how Israel would have disappeared if Egypt and Syria had re-taken what Israel took from them in 1967?
Contrary to Israeli mythology, the 1973 war was NOT aimed at taking over Tel Aviv!
Jan Burton
November 4th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
So what's a REAL Jew, john?
The anti-war types are all "self-loathing" so does that mean that the only real Jews are those who want Americans to die on their behalf so that they can maintain a nuclear monopoly in the ME?
And the "anti-semitic" accusation? Grow up. No one falls for that nonsense anymore.
Bill
November 4th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
I'm going to start deleting when the next round of begging comes up from Antiwar.com.
tomofsnj
November 4th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
In 1973 every aircraft Israel had was shot down. They had no air force. Their tank command was 100 percent destroyed minus those tanks held in reserve. There were a major portion of the IDF which would have been slaughtered had the USA not step forward and provided information and large quantity of ammunition. No matter when the war ended Israel would have been pushed into the gutter as a fighting force. They were a shell of a fighting force when the USA step forward providing advance information on arab formations and some how finding pilots for the planes to have an air force. I do not know a lot of pilots who could be shot down and then fly again in a couple days. I am sure some could but it is questionable who the pilots actually were.
The idf did not do very well in Lebanon either. The idf is generally a very well armed organization with the very best of equipment purchased by the USA taxpayers at a huge cost. That is the real story of the superior soldier of the idf.
Canuck
November 4th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
"The left in this country is so tied to the Obama administration that such a development…"
Looks like Justin has been sucking on neocon propaganda himself.
The one thing that separates the left from right in North America – critical thinking skills and the ability to admit when they are wrong. Not every Liberal, leftist, socialist or whatever Americans care to call anyone not in the center-right camp will not back Obama lock stock and barrel as you suggest.
I notice this same tar the entire left process in most of Justin's articles since Obama came to power. So by the same reckoning every Libertarian would like to see the sick die in the streets if they have no health care because a few do. Stupid right?
Robt
November 4th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
This could be just one 'war' too many. Watch out for the riots if the usual suspects/victims get rounded up as cannon fodder, Vietnam style.
Mike Cormany
November 4th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
I've noticed this too. If Justin was paying any kind of attention he'd know Obama has lost a huge percentage of the left, and they know it judged by the arguments I get in online on a ton of forums. The memo already went out that if he loses it's the professional lefties fault. If you think we're not sick of wars of choice against countries that could do us no harm over a bogus war on terrorism, and are going to back another one just because a D starts it, it's just lazy reporting or a smear. Those who follow Obama blindly are Obama Democrats and have nothing to do with leftist ideology or belief. It's strictly cult of personaltity.
In less than one week Glenn Greenwald's new book made the NY Times best seller lists. I'd venture to say a huge majority of buyers were leftists and most if not all of those would be irate if we attacked Iran under any conditions. And that's not a small group of people.
Jaime
November 4th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Again? No more ideas?
Guest
November 4th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
An Englishman's perspective on Zionism in 1939:
http://knud.eriksen.adr.dk/howoddofgod.htm
mistic
November 4th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
u r sick
Strider55
November 4th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
I can envision that as well. The 21st-century version of Bush the Lesser pretending to be in the Air Natl. Guard.
I swear, those fools clamoring for conscription as an antidote for war need a 2×4 upside the head. The elites have kept themselves (and their offspring) out of every draft going clear back to the War of Yankee Aggression. (Back then, they simply paid substitutes to fight in their stead.) The same thing would happen in any modern draft, regardless of what that imbecilic hot-air machine Chuckie Rangel spouts. Either the elites would get non-exemption exemptions, or they'd get the cushy stateside posts "paulBass" describes above.
As for "the poor and the masses," I hope they're prepared for the demoralizing job of shooting kids. During the Iran-Iraq War the Iranians sent boys as young as 10 into the front lines in suicide "human wave" attacks. Anyone think they won't do that again if attacked?
tomofsnj
November 4th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
You are correct. 4,400 of our kids killled and some 40,000 crippled over the lies told to have us attack Iraq. Now we have the same liars pushing to attack a nation who has not attacked anyone in a thousand years. Do you ever stop to think that everyone pushing to attack iraq already have nuclear weapons. Iran in only a threat to Israel in that it blocks Israel from attack Lebanon. As long as the few fighters in Lebanon can get arms they have a long record of kicking out the aggressors. Israel will not attack Lebanon again until they can unarm them. I am very sick at our kids getting killed over lies. Do you not think that this attack should be on the people pushing for the attack. I do not see the American pushing for us to start another war.
tomofsnj
November 4th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Iran is a lot smarter than you think. If Israel attacks Iran will knock out the Saudi, Kuwait and Iraq oil. The air craft will have to cross over those lands so they will be guilty of being part of the attack.
You will see oil at $500 a barrel if Israel attacks which might be what this is all about. There has been a very high number of options on expensive oil purchases and yes I think they do things to make a lot of money for a few which made a big bet on higher oil. Attack iran most certain will create a few more billionaires.
There has been no changes in the situation and Iran is not close to making a bomb so why else is the pushing for the attack before the options expire. Some one made billions of put options on the airlines purchased days before 911.
James
November 5th, 2011 at 2:41 am
Better send your support to people who think lie you do, CNNABCCBSFOX, they will only print stuff that you like.
james
November 5th, 2011 at 2:46 am
On many occasions I disagree with Justin, but I fully agree on this well researched and written article.
I will reiterate my opinion though, Israel will NOT attack Iran, they are cowards. Just look at their new shiny A*hole they have now after trying to attack Lebanon in 2006.
I have a question that keeps annoying me, why is it a problem for the US is Israel vanished?
musings
November 5th, 2011 at 6:40 am
Thank you for some thoughtful considerations. I don't believe that Israel is stupid enough to attack Iran in the expectation that the US will immediately come in and help. My own feeling that they have long-term ambitions to ally with a different sort of Iran. There are many ex-pat Iranians in the US who live quite amicably with Zionists here. They are all biding their time. If there could be a coup which replaces the leadership of Iran, that would suit many parties, and leave the basic infrastructure of a pretty good country, one appreciated as such by rational Israelis, right in place.
I think the closer target is Syria, which is a conduit of extremism funded by Iran. All the uprisings with the crackdowns by a scared government: there's the path of least resistance, isn't it? Into changing the leadership of Syria, which would also weaken the power of the current Iranian government. I have reduced your negative rating by one, but I think you should reconsider the idea of helping Israeli families. Their own families throughout the world are already helping them, and the general American public, the goyim if you will, does not need to be taxed against its will. And frankly I would not want to help the settlers movement if they came hat-in-hand to my front door. I think they are cult-like troublemakers.
Kevin Bjornson
November 5th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Justin, Justin. You have managed to be simultaneously an optimist and a supporter of the establishment. Meanwhile, back in reality, things are headed toward apocalypse and that is a good thing for those of us who predicted the collapses and have made preparations. "The worse it gets, the better".
Why worry about the collapse of the corrupt government-dominated banking system? Wouldn't it's collapse be a good thing? We should hope for dramatic increases in oil prices, so much the better to spur domestic american production (now hobbled by bureaucrats and anti-technologists) and collapse the nascent New World Order. Once we develop N. American sources, N. America will prosper, but of course that won't happen before the inevitable collapse.
It's only a matter of time before our hero, Justin, gets commendations from the Norman Vincent Peale foundation and the Bilberbergers.
zee
November 5th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Regarding the sending children into battle by the Iranians, I'm not sure that will happen this time around, atleast not anywhere near that extent. Iran is a different place now, and there's no Khomenei like figure that will inspire such devotion this time.
Frank
November 5th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
I've never seen this site before here in the UK but I am impressed by the clear realisation of Israeli intentions as expressed by some very good people. I'll get back when time is more convenient and give you some of my own ideas. So long for now.
sandyfeet
November 5th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
The only thing stupid is what you wrote. lets take this..
"The one thing that separates the left from right in North America – critical thinking skills and the ability to admit when they are wrong. "
So who is the left and who is the right here?
a shot in the dark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAYAl_cB8O0&fe…
sandyfeet
November 5th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
Wouldn't it be easier if we had a law that said if you start a fight, you go fight it. That would mean the president and all his minions along with congress, pack their battle gear and head out on their trusty steeds with swords in hand and fight the good fight while the rest of us continue on with our daily lives and tune in to CNN or FOX or whatever when we are not busy. Kind of like football only better. We'll all root for our side to win and who ever loses well no big loss, we'll just wait for the next group of asses to pick a fight. Seems reasonable to me.
sandyfeet
November 6th, 2011 at 12:30 am
It's unfortunate but this saying is true; the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And so it is with Israel. While I understand the reasoning somewhat why some may have wanted to create a homeland, a place to call their own, religious and otherwise it still ends up harking back to that saying. They fight over a piece of dirt when they are more than welcome to live elsewhere. On the one hand the Jewish religion doesn't like idols yet they idolize a piece of land and a wall, lest we forget a rock. It must be difficult to want to give it up after all these years but Israel needs to come to terms with their neighbors on their own. Considering all they have gone through with the Holocaust you would think they would not want to commit the same atrocities to someone else, yet when I read the Oslo Accords, I can't imagine how they expected the Palestinians to live under this, in a ghetto overseen by the Israeli's. No, I don't think fighting for them is a good idea, if they want it let them fight for it.
Dahoit
November 6th, 2011 at 6:51 am
I guess you saw "All Quiet on the Western Front"too.A great,great movie,and right on the money.
Dahoit
November 6th, 2011 at 7:50 am
I do know before Iraq,there was no mention of the left by the media as being a force(of course with not much power)in American politics.And now they do mention it,probably as a commie aspersion,but at least it's mentioned.And Obomba is no leftist,but a neolibcon miseducated idiot.
And for some of our problems there is a left response and for some a more rightest response.Very simple.I call it intelligence.
Dahoit
November 6th, 2011 at 7:51 am
We did just fine before their creation ney?
HA65MPH
November 6th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
INTERESTING WAY OF LOOKING AT IT .. HOWEVER , DO KEEP IN MIND ;; THERE ARE MORE UNEDUCATED ( GANG TYPES)..NOT JUST POOR , BUT THE BAGGY PANTS BIRGADE , WHITE , BLACK , HISPANIC .. THAT WOULD ESCAPE THE DRAFT .. THEY ARE NOT FIT TO DO ANYTHING .. BUT BREED !
HA65MPH
November 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
GOOD , THE IRANIANS ARE NOT WORTH HAVING CHILDREN AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED , THEY ARE UNCIVILIZED .. RID US OF THEM .
HA65MPH
November 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
BARRY SORETO'' AKA'' OBAMMA'' ALSO SAID '' I WILL SIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS ''..I THINK I AM BEING CENSORED ANY WAY .. BUT YOU ALL NEED TO … THINK .
HA65MPH
November 6th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
of a religiously based view as that of the Ayatollah's'' I DO NOT RECALL '' AYATOLLAH'' BEING MENTIONED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT !….. SO ARE WE TO BELIEVE ' 1) THERE IS NO GOD ? ..2) THEN WE AS HUMANS ARE TOTALLY LOST ..WE ALL WILL SEE ONE DAY .
Bob D
November 7th, 2011 at 9:45 am
AIPAC doesn't allow that!
Bob D
November 7th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Have you done any "critical thinking" on Obama's sneaky ways of prolonging wars?
Ali
November 7th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
The story of Iran sending kids to war with Iraq is a complete lie. It was propaganda cooked up by Saddam to portray Iranians as deserving having a part of their country chopped off and allocated to Iraq. The Iranian kids that Saddam had in his detention camps were either captured in the early days of war as civilians when Saddam started the war by making a surprise attack and captured territory and cities of Iran, which he later was driven out of, or kids that had joined armed parties that would attack Saddam's units during the early days of war. It is true that some kids found their way to the front, but it was never a concerted effort by the government to send kids to the front. The fact is that more volunteer deployments were delayed and more operations cancelled because kids were found in the folds than there ever was kids in the fighting force.
I remember the noise made by the European and American media during the war with Iraq, over the Iranian Baseej kids captured by Iraq. Saddam took European reporters to interview some Iranian kids, that he had captured and offered them to free them into European or American custody. It never happened. Last year there was a documentary on Iran television with those kids now middle aged men, their hair starting to grey, telling their story. Saddam had put them into a separate, exclusive prison for the show, and offered them, through a personal envoy, that if they publicly denounced their country they would be freed to Europe or America, and then the reporters had poured in. The "kids" though would have none of it. They went on hunger strike and demanded that they be transferred back to the main detention camps where the rest of the captured Iranian were being held. The Iraqis were furious and said it would not be done. But as the first kid showed signs of deterioration and had to be transferred to a hospital, Saddam gave in. After all, by then their story and pictures was a favorite of European media and Saddam could not claim ignorance of their demands and their actions. Eventually they were all, including the hospitalized "kid", transferred back to the main camps and spent the next six years with their peers until the war ended and were exchanged with Iraqi prisoners. During the entire war not a single Iranian "kid" from the fronts took asylum with any European country or America, although the offer was on for the duration of the war. The Europeans, suppliers of chemical weapons to Saddam, killed that story, but kept alive their propaganda and lies which is repeated to this day.
There was no "human wave" attacks during the war with Iraq. Of course there is a difference between no good bums, be it American or British or French who travel thousands of miles to kill and destroy just to make a living, and those who defend their country and their homes.
"I hope they're prepared for the demoralizing job of shooting kids. …"
I promise that if it comes to war, and if this line holds, I will post on antiwar.com every American bum license plate number that I null for America's added demoralization. :)
Ali
November 7th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
It is "Khomeini" not "Khomenei". In fact, change the "o" in what you think there is no figure like, and you get another Khomeini which is Khamenei.
That should not concern you, though. What should really concern America is that there is no Soviet Union that during the Iraq-Iran war would on America's request confiscate shiploads of barbed wire destined for Iran, classifying them as weapons. What should concern you even more is that the confidence that a bankrupt America and Europe inspires in Russia, China and even India is not the kind that allows any indulgences to expired colonial ambitions of America and its lackeys egos.
Ken
November 8th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Yup, it's a bluff. Nutty Yahoo maybe nutty but he ain't crazy.
And like most Israelie politicians, he is more than happy to fight until the last AmeroCon.
psh
November 9th, 2011 at 2:04 am
//China represents a badly needed countervailing power to the US
Oh, how true! Of course, they are still not there yet.
So, I for one cannot wait for that happy day, even though I know fully well the Chinese are no dear friends of muslims, and may regret asking for it. But for now, yes!
psh
November 9th, 2011 at 3:45 am
They sure are cowards!
They only have the balls to attack helpless people. My heart bleeds when I remember the 1000+ Palestinians who were slaughtered a few years back; and, everybody just watched (shame on you, russia, china). I also remember the american and other 'elites' who came on tv and with straight faces mentioned how justified the israelis were.
A small consolation for me is that Hell awaits them all.
The Watcher
November 13th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Justin has the "cojones" that almost all other analysts lack. From "BABA WAWA'S WHITEWASH" alone one could tell that Mr Raimondo is The Last American Hero.
Patrick Cleburne links to your article Justin over at Vdare: http://www.vdare.com/posts/saturdays-gop-debate-m…
Why Ron Paul’s opposition to America’s overseas adventures is repressed is obvious. VDARE.com is not a foreign policy site: once again, I personally look to Justin Raimondo for explication.