What if you had information that foreign government officials, utilizing their resources in the United States, were plotting to drag America into a ruinous war, using their connections with key American lawmakers and the media to get members of Congress and the public on board – what would you do?
Unless you’re either a traitor or a coward, you’d expose the scheme to the light of day – and you’d be a hero, at least in my book. From the perspective of the Obama administration, however, you’re a criminal – and the sentence could be severe.
In a secret trial in which not even the judge was allowed to look at the evidence, FBI translator and human rights blogger Shamai Leibowitz, an Israeli-American lawyer, was sentenced to 20 months in prison for the “crime” of exposing Israel’s extensive efforts to influence American policymakers to support a strike against Iran.
Leibowitz, hired to translate documents for US government agencies monitoring the Israeli embassy in Washington, was shocked by what he read. According to blogger Richard Silverstein, who has seen the transcripts:
“[Israeli diplomats] were talking about things that weren’t necessarily illegal, but would be shocking to American people. They target key opinion shapers and key players in society and use long-term plans to sponsor conferences, ghost-author op/ed pieces, and jawbone members of Congress. All together is this image that they really want America to go to war with Iran, or okay Israel going to war with Iran.”
They “target” opinion shapers – with what?
Sponsoring conferences is one thing – but this “targeting” business has more than a few ominous implications. Are the Israelis going after opinion shapers and “key players” who might not favor their war agenda – and, if so, in what way?
Leibowtiz handed the transcripts over to Silverstein, who wrote about them on his blog: that post has since been deleted, and I can’t find it utilizing Google cache (although it’s go to be there somewhere). Silverstein has since burned the materials given to him by Leibowitz, out of a quite justifiable fear that he’ll be prosecuted, too.
However, it isn’t hard to imagine what was in them: to call Israel’s propaganda campaign in the US aggressive would be an understatement. There are plenty of “American” organizations that act as unregistered agents of the Israeli state, and I’m not just talking about AIPAC. The Israel lobby, as John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt have shown, is a powerful force in our politics, and this force often crosses the line that separates propaganda from espionage – the case of Steve Rosen, the former AIPAC top honcho busted [.pdf] for pilfering secret information from the Pentagon’s chief Iran analyst, Larry Franklin, is just one example. Effective propaganda requires information, preferably inside information – including highly classified secrets – which is what Rosen and his AIPAC cohorts were after.
That Israel and its American amen corner have long been trying to provoke a US attack on Iran is hardly a secret. On the other hand, the lengths to which the Israelis will go in order to accomplish this goal are deemed so sensitive by our government that it will go after anyone who tries to reveal it. That should tell us something.
Yes, the US routinely spies on everyone, including its ostensible allies, but this case ought to set off alarm bells: clearly our spooks are very concerned about what the Israelis are up to in this country, and have been for quite some time. Add to this the vindictive nature of Leibowitz’s prosecution, and it’s not stretching the truth to say the government is clearly panicked Israel’s covert activities in the US could become public knowledge. While Silverstein is being extra careful to avoid saying anything that could motivate the Justice Department to put him away in a cell next to Leibowitz’s, his opinion that the activities described in the transcripts “weren’t necessarily illegal” leaves plenty of room for interpretation.
I don’t blame Silverstein for his reticence. As the Seattle Weekly reports:
“Silverstein isn’t currently facing any legal repercussions for posting the documents that Leibowitz gave him. But he says the fact that the Obama administration has no qualms with jailing federal employees for leaking info means that he takes nothing for granted.
‘I’m expecting that my status as a journalist gives me protection under the First Amendment,’ he says, a tinge of uncertainty creeping into his voice.”
I’ll bet it was more than a “tinge.”
What apparently triggered the FBI monitoring and investigation of Antiwar.com, including myself, was our extensive coverage of Israeli covert activities in the US, particularly a number of my columns on the subject. They were so concerned that a memo from FBI counter-terrorism headquarters in Newark instructs area offices to conduct a preliminary “investigation” on the grounds that we represent a “threat to National Security” and are, without a doubt, “agents of a foreign power.”
Why would my articles on Israeli spying provoke such an off-the-wall assessment? After all, here I am trying to expose a threat to national security – and the FBI considers that to be in itself a threat. So who’s the “agent of a foreign power,” in this case – me, or them?
The FBI apparently stumbled on our treason when researching how their infamous “terrorist suspect list” [.pdf], in its several forms, came to be public knowledge. The answer was easily discernible to anyone with half a brain: they had given it away quite freely, including to one Italian bank and a Finnish financial institution, who promptly posted it online.
That’s how I came across it in my research into the activities of one Dominick Suter, the owner of a New Jersey moving company whose five employees were arrested on 9/11 under highly suspicious circumstances. Their demeanor and activities on observing the World Trade Center fall from a park overlooking the Hudson river provoked a police response, and they were hauled in for questioning. Held for months, and harshly interrogated, the five were among over 200 Israelis rounded up, along with thousands of Arabs, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Suter owned and operated Urban Movers, Inc., and the name of his company was emblazoned on the truck the “high fivers” stood on as they reportedly videotaped the downing of the towers – and seemed to be celebrating. The Forward later reported that this crew was “almost certainly” an operation directed by Israeli intelligence, although Israeli and US officials deny it.
In any case, it was while I was on Suter’s internet trail that I came across the watch list – with Suter’s name, address, and Social Security clearly listed, along with similar information on his wife, Ornit.
So the FBI was looking for them, too.
Our counterintelligence guys (and gals!) no doubt have their hands full with the Israelis. Security experts testify that, in the related fields of industrial and other forms of espionage, they’re right up there with the Chinese and the Russians. However, one has to wonder if, ten years later, they’ve managed to find Mr. Suter. Or maybe they aren’t looking all that hard.
On this morbid anniversary, the War Party’s Saturnalia, we are treated to an unusually large rash of anti-“conspiracy theory” tirades, which debunk an awful lot of “theories” that never did need debunking. Yet there is one such theory which is not a theory at all but simple reporting by Carl Cameron of Fox News, whose four-part series on Israeli spying in the US debuted when the smoke hadn’t yet cleared from the skies over Manhattan. The first broadcast opened with Cameron reporting:
“Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.
”There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are ‘tie-ins.’ But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’”
This was followed by an exchange between Cameron and Fox News anchor Brit Hume:
“HUME: Carl, what about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen on 9-11? How clear are investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something?
“CAMERON: It’s very explosive information, obviously, and there’s a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected — none of it necessarily conclusive. It’s more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have known? Almost a direct quote.
”HUME: Going into the fact that they were spying on some Arabs, right?
”CAMERON: Correct.”
Alerted by a Washington Post piece that reported the arrest of 200 Israelis alongside Arab suspects rounded up after 9/11, my investigations into the question of who knew what, and when on September 1, had preceded Cameron’s broadcast by a week or so, and I naturally took up the new information he provided with alacrity. This led me to Suter, and the watch list, which the FBI used as a pretext to pry into our organization and the individuals associated with it.
Having abandoned their investigation of the Urban Movers operation, and concluded there’s nothing to see so we should all move along, the FBI turned it’s Sauron’s Eye on … Antiwar.com. That is, on journalists who had written about the subject utilizing publicly available information, and exercising their First Amendment rights – and, by the way, defending America’s national security against a foreign threat the FBI seems determined to ignore.
Included in the FBI file on Antiwar.com is a column I wrote on the mysterious video that suddenly appeared on a web site supposedly run by al Qaeda, which showed heretofore unknown footage of the twin towers’ demise, connecting it to the video reportedly shot by the Urban Movers. The FBI was very interested in establishing the existence of the Urban Mover’s video, if you read the rest of the material released which is mainly concerned with the wider subject of Israeli foreknowledge of 9/11. Having finally determined that no such video existed, in spite of the clear testimony of more than one eyewitness, the FBI was apparently outraged that I should suggest otherwise. Clearly this makes me a “threat to National Security” – in the Bizarro World of the FBI.
Bizarro World, you’ll recall from your comics-reading youth, was – is – an alternate universe in which the laws of reason and logic are turned on their heads: water flows uphill, right is wrong, left is right, and the FBI, instead of protecting the national security, is determined to violate it.
I don’t ascribe this to any Vast Conspiracy, and so I must plead innocent to the charge of being a “conspiracy theorist.” Although Israel, along with any number of other players in the world of spook-dom, no doubt has its agents inside the castle walls, the real reason for the FBI’s annoyance is simple ass-covering. It’s the first rule in the bureaucrat’s survival manual. We still don’t know the whole story of how it is that they overlooked a plot five years and more in the making, the crucial phase taking place right under their noses, and yet any attempt to probe a little deeper into the many mysteries surrounding this seminal event is met with cries of “conspiracism!” – and the sudden interest of law enforcement.
The evidence compiled by Carl Cameron and others, including credible investigative pieces that appeared in Salon and other “mainstream” publications, such as Le Monde and Die Zeit, makes a convincing case that the Israelis, in the course of tracking Mohammed Atta and his team, learned of the planned attack and neglected to let us in on the plot. On the tenth anniversary of this enormous betrayal, which is being covered up even by the news network that broke the story, an answer to the question asked by that anonymous intelligence official – “How could they not have known?” – becomes all the more urgent.
Yet that is precisely the question our “law enforcement” agencies do not want anyone to ask, let alone answer – and if you do ask, they come after you. If, like Mr. Leibowitz, or me, you expose the activities – “not necessarily illegal” – of a foreign power, then you are treated as if you are the “agents of a foreign power,” as the FBI characterized the staff of Antiwar.com.
This makes perfect Bizarro-sense: in our universe, not so much. However, as I’ve pointed out before – on all too many occasions – the terrific force of the explosions that brought down the World Trade Center opened up a hole in the space-time continuum, so that Bizarro World has “leaked” into our own universe, and is slowly taking it over.
This theory – and, mind you, it is just a theory, albeit one that seems to be freshly confirmed with each passing day – accounts for the moral inversion in effect since that dark September, when imperialism became “liberation” and torture was deemed a “patriotic” act. There are times when I think the Bizarro Effect is receding – such as the popular revolt against the Bizarro idea that the way to face bankruptcy is to increase spending – and at other times (more often, I have to admit), I’m convinced it is not only spreading but getting more intense.
These days, with the revelation of the FBI’s investigation of Antiwar.com, and myself, personally, I am leaning more than ever toward the latter. It has led to me wonder if there are regions of the world the Bizarro Effect has yet to reach, or where it’s influence was never that strong to begin with. I am, in short, seriously considering leaving the country.
As naïve as it might sound, especially coming from a libertarian, I really did think my country was better than this. I am horrified in a way I’ve never been before: I feel betrayed – and vulnerable. While leaving wouldn’t shield me from the Evil Eye of the FBI, or whomever, it would satisfy my own desire to make a statement about the America that once was, and isn’t anymore.
I’m thinking of Italy, perhaps, as the perfect place for an American expatriate of my heritage: I could get dual Italian-American citizenship, and shack up with my relatives in Calabria. So a shout-out to them, if they’re out there, in the form of an S.O.S.: hey guys, the Mafia that’s taken over the US government is after me over here, and so I’m making the same journey my immigrant grandfather made, only in reverse – you got a room to rent?
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
I’ve received several complaints that copies of my book, An Enemy of the State: The Life of Murray N. Rothbard, have been deficient. I looked into the matter, and discovered that the plates were worn out. My publisher, Prometheus Books, has since rectified this problem, and readers can rest assured that the new plates produce a handsome book. My thanks to the publisher, for attending to the problem promptly, and to my readers for drawing it to my attention.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





skulz fontaine
September 8th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Don't go Mr. Raimondo! Oh wait, take me with you Mr. Raimondo…
Bantam
September 8th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Instead of a European country subjugated to the whims of her zionist masters, you'd rather opt for Malaysia where you would feel incredibly more free, and safe.
Not only the exchange rate would still allow you to live like a king, you might indeed be treated like royalty as well.
Didn't you enjoy your stay there some time ago, did you?
liberranter
September 8th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
I'm considering the ex-pat idea too. Trouble is, where on this planet is ANYONE safe from the Long Arm of the UFSA? Maybe after the dollar implodes…
GreginOz
September 8th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
This might be a useful starting point: http://www.sovereignman.com/tag/expatriation/ I've read some of Simon's stuff on LRC & Alex Jones. GTFO, mate. Greginoz..
sherban
September 9th, 2011 at 1:21 am
I think that this article will stay as an example of journalism for ever.I never read an other written with so hurting sincerity.
Geo1671
September 9th, 2011 at 4:39 am
I stopped reading at this Bovinepile-"makes a convincing case that the Israelis, in the course of tracking Mohammed Atta and his team, learned of the planned attack " Just'in,please re-take Physics classes 1001 and pay attention to freefalll. WTC 1 2 7 came down in less than 8 seconds each.Are you saying that ATTA Boys pre-loaded each WTC towers with military high explosives composing of thousands of tons and had years access and Larry Silverstein had no clue Arab's operation.
Just'in your FBI on my tail Alibi ain't as good as Jr. Bush's reading goat stories to little kiddies :^(
Brian
September 9th, 2011 at 5:09 am
What's this about?
musings
September 9th, 2011 at 5:09 am
None so blind as those who will not see.
Or hear. As the newscasters last night dutifully played their canned messages about 9/11 – the new photos of Shanksville we never saw and the new pictures of the Pentagon with a lot more damage – and the sounds of the hijackings with recordings of air traffic controllers (all speaking stiffly as in a drill), I noted that Mohammed Atta's accent sounded like an older man, and a Hungarian one at that (I am very familiar with the accent). Canned entertainment, with sentimental music swelling in the background, as though, we were THERE.
Ron J
September 9th, 2011 at 5:21 am
Justin, you're expressing the unease many of us feel. We are surrounded 360 degrees by media lies, police state law enforcement, abusive prosecutions, inexplicable and unpredictable judicial rulings, making us all sense that stepping out of line will bring unwanted scrutiny. Your feeling that you must get out of the country is not unfounded. The government plays whack-a-mole, and you are sticking up above the crowd.
I am haunted by Ron Paul's comment…considering all that is going on…what if the border fences are meant to keep us…in…?
stevieb
September 9th, 2011 at 5:40 am
I'll tell you what this is about -"Bantam" thinks he's being clever.
But I can most assuredly tell him/her that he/she is most certainly not. The stupid attempts at smearing Raimondo as an 'antisemite' don't work – and never did.
Not at all.
MvGuy
September 9th, 2011 at 5:43 am
Tell us more Musings….. What gave it away …for you?? Was it a certain word, a phrase…. a certain vowel…
Check out what gave it away for a photo analyst.. http://911studies.com/911photostudies1.htm
stevieb
September 9th, 2011 at 5:48 am
OK let's try that again. CD is false. Israeli involvement in 9.11? True.
How does that work?
stevieb
September 9th, 2011 at 5:50 am
Specifically – evidence of CD? Not there.
Evidence of Israeli involvement in 9.11? Lots of it…
stevieb
September 9th, 2011 at 5:55 am
If Americans wait to long to fight for their democracy it will be lost….there is no choice.
Generalissimo X
September 9th, 2011 at 6:08 am
because they were drills, coincidentally enough on the morning of 9-11 that simulated hijacked planes flying into buildings. operation vigilant guardian.
Terrance&Philip
September 9th, 2011 at 6:11 am
FTA: "What apparently triggered the FBI monitoring and investigation of Antiwar.com, including myself, was our extensive coverage of Israeli covert activities in the US, particularly a number of my columns on the subject."
Well, are there still any doubts about who the American 'ho's pimp is?
Terrance&Philip
September 9th, 2011 at 6:16 am
Civilization has always been a very thin veneer. (Though now we're finding out just how thin it is.) The Lord of the Flies has always been closer than we ever dared imagine.
Generalissimo X
September 9th, 2011 at 6:20 am
don't bother running justin as obama has the right to kill you no matter where you are. just ask him. he doesn't need evidence and you certainly don't get a trial you liberty lovin' terrorist. one predator drone or maybe they'll send in team 7 to get you..hopefully they're luckier than team 6.
as for israel, they're like the best friend who's nailing your wife. and as justin has pointed out for a long time now, something was up with israel on 9-11…what? i don't profess to know, but there hands are dirty on this one…sibel edmonds seems to know but they've gagged her and then some. regardless of all the wild theories about 9-11, the bottom line is there is still a TON of unanswered questions and issues. too many to list here that's for sure…bottom line is regardless of speculation, we are not being given the truth. i challenge anyone with a brain to watch the architects for truth video and still be able to swallow the gov'ts fairy tale. one point,,,atta's passport survived but the black boxes didn't. 'nuff said.
MvGuy
September 9th, 2011 at 6:29 am
Perhaps Mr. Raimondo is on to the correct response… Perhaps it would be best for him to flee what has become of America ………….. BEFORE the NEOCONS revoke his citizenship or worse.. Didn't Senator LIEberman make those threats..??
"Lieberman offered the legislation today along with Sen. Scott Brown, R-M***., and Reps. Jason Altmire, D-Penn., and Charlie Dent, R-Penn, which would add to the existing federal statute, 8 U.S.C. § 1481, which identifies seven categories of actions for which U.S. citizens lose their citizenship. The legislation, called the Terrorist Expatriation Act, would authorize the State Department to revoke the citizenship of any U.S. national who provides material support or resources to a Foreign Terrorist Organization or who engages in or supports hostilities against the United States or its allies."
Would this mean children could lose their citizenship for supporting children throwing stones at tanks as is sometimes done in Tibet, China, Morocco, Israel and Kosovo….
Let us NOT forget that our masters in control of the police and the military are in fact compromised by an alien neocon ideology seemingly based on the playbook of the Third Reich… that dreams to supplant our constitution and corporatize every aspect of our lives sending those profits to their backers and cronies…. E.G. Halburton feeding the troops in Iraq…. Boeing building the border wall.
First get elected, then a fire…… Next, legislation to strip the citizens of their rights… also, Certain people and groups get demonized….. and let the military invade anyone not on the same page that THEY are..
I prefer to see Mr. Raimondo stay here in America at his keyboard, doing what he does BEST, fighting the good fight…!!!!
musings
September 9th, 2011 at 6:29 am
You know how you can see your trash cans from last year on Google Maps? There they are on the curb? Ou sont les neiges d'antan?
Well, I also tried to google map an old house I once lived in near the Beltway in DC. Guess what? You cannot get that level of detail in the Chevy Chase-like suburb. That tells me that Certain People are not going to be visible on Google Maps, as a protected class. That's who's safe. "Safe houses" is not just from spy movies – it's reality for some.
Meanwhile, my millionaire brother in Rancho Palos Verdes – why I can practically read the license on the car up his private drive. His house is not private, so it isn't just about being rich.
It's about being connected to power.
musings
September 9th, 2011 at 6:30 am
Asterisks in that "naughty word" not mine. Sheesh!
Analogue114
September 9th, 2011 at 6:47 am
The number of Americans leaving the country/applying for foreign citizenship has skyrocketed in recent years. Makes me wonder if our march to dystopia won't one day include a Soviet-style ban on leaving the country. Especially if tax revenues continue to dry up.
Justin — I highly recommend Mark Ehrman's Getting Out: Your Guide to Leaving American as an excellent guide for would-be expats. I believe a new edition is forthcoming. Check http://www.processmediainc.com for more info.
Avi of Mondoweiss
September 9th, 2011 at 6:58 am
A couple of years ago, on a cold and snowy January day when I had nothing better to do, I entertained the idea of moving to some remote island in the pacific. The thought of warmer weather on an island far far away from the troubles and paranoia of a post-9/11 America seemed appealing.
I fired up Google Earth and randomly zoomed in on a little tiny dot in that blue Pacific ocean. The satellite imagery was quite sharp and clear. On that island I saw a few cabins, palm trees and a breathtaking lagoon. This piqued my curiosity as I thought to myself that one should be able to purchase or build a cabin there for a fairly humble amount. I quickly enabled the Labels function and up popped the name on the screen, Bikini Island.
I plugged that name in a search engine and a deluge of information appeared before my eyes. Click. Scroll. The paragraph started with a brief description of the island and its inhabitants. "Strange," I thought to myself. "It's a beautiful island and yet most days of the year it remains uninhabited."
Then came the paragraph that explained it all. The island, as it turned out, was affected by several of the many nuclear tests the US had conducted in the Pacific during the 1950s. Even today, radiation was so high that no one dared stay on the island for an extended period of time.
A sinking feeling came over me.
San Fernando Curt
September 9th, 2011 at 9:04 am
While I think "Truther" theories should be dismissed as nonsense – there is a serious danger in their odd pervasiveness, and that is that all questions about 9/11 can be ignored as foolish conspiracy theory. Actually, there are serious questions about that day and its run-up; no one has sifted them better than you. With aspects like the "Israeli art movers" and other enigmas, suspicions are justified that some intelligence entities knew about the attacks beforehand – and simply let them occur. The Left has been quick to pin subsequent actions such as the Iraq invasion on Bush Administration stupidity. I believe those who hijacked 9/11 as pretext for stationing an American military force in the Mideast achieved their goals – and have split into impotence Israel's last foes in the region. Under those circumstances, just who is stupid? Their machinations are bizarre only to us, since their illogical nature is upheld by our lap-doggie media. For the actors, for the schemers, it all made perfect sense – and continues to do so. It's oddball only if we believe that in aftermath of 9/11, we acted in best interest of THIS country.
marko
September 9th, 2011 at 9:18 am
So, let me get this straight, now. Words like pass, and mass, and glass all get the asterisk treatment? That's just too silly to be real. Let's give it a test…
marko
September 9th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Yep. That complete silliness now inhabits antiwar.com. Too ridiculous! above are the words pess, mess, and gless, but spelled with an "a" (so that they actually make sense). Absolutely hilarious! Who is it that has the dirty mind here? On the otherhand, I can write words like dumbshet and esshole and I guess it passes.
marko
September 9th, 2011 at 9:22 am
But passes (pesses) gets the treatment! Too silly!
JLS
September 9th, 2011 at 10:03 am
"As naïve as it might sound, especially coming from a libertarian, I really did think my country was better than this."
Seriously dude, that was very naive.
JLS
September 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Too late.
JLS
September 9th, 2011 at 10:31 am
I always thought Glenn Greenwald was wise to move to Brazil and out of the immediate reach of American law enforcement authorities before he started writing on political topics.
Basil McDonnell
September 9th, 2011 at 10:31 am
You'd appreciate Dave Barry's summary of that event: "after world war 2, which turned nearly the whole world into rubble, the United States located the single pristine, untouched piece of real estate ont he planet… and blew it to hell."
Basil McDonnell
September 9th, 2011 at 10:33 am
As Hanna Arendt observed, "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to move to Italy."
Nelson_2008
September 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am
If it was just one instance, looked at in isolation, maybe you could reasonably conclude that the FBI was just "covering its ass".
Alas you cannot. There's simply too much other malfeasance going on. Why did they frame Bruce Ivins for the Anthrax attacks? Why did they not investigate Larry Silverstein? Why won't they investigate the antics of Hyman Brown (and his handlers)? Why did nobody investigate the put options? The list is endless and the big picture is damning.
I plan on leaving the country soon myself. I don't think we have much time left before the decline becomes catastrophic, and martial law is invoked; whereupon leaving may become difficult if not impossible.
musings
September 9th, 2011 at 10:50 am
And I would think that they made recordings and that is what they are playing to us to bring it all "back" (our traumas that day, that is). We are being whipped into remembrance, melodrama by melodrama. To what end?
The traumas are real, make no mistake about it. The comfort was cold – anthrax attacks and the USA Patriot Act forced through. The Iraq War called for as Colin Powell shook a vial containing white powder to connect the attacks with Saddam's supposed threat to us. The stories which faded of international sources of anthrax, letters full of it sent in Europe as well.
All to mesmerize us into saying "Yes! Yes! KIll them all and let God sort them out!"
Maybe some of the people in the drill died on 9/11. Who's the older gent with the Hungarian accent who is supposed to be Atta-boy? Who had the means and experience to write the script? Who trained air traffic controllers (Raytheon) and had a list of people killed that day.
Who routinely creates false identities for people working abroad and probably at home? What happens when that false identity dies?
I know for a fact that CIA has been involved – in the US where supposedly they were NOT supposed to operate in the past – in Continuity of Government drills. I heard about them from someone taking part in them long before 9/11.
With a bottomless budget, and the mandate to have a national security state defined as self-defense, it is pointless to speculate except to understand that any of it may be true.
What we can say is what cannot be true, what is contradicted by physics. We can eliminate the impossible to leave a certain residue. And the actions subsequent to 9/11 in shredding our Constitution and lying us into wars speak volumes. Because we are not so cowardly we need that kind of sh!% done in our names. We're the kind of people who rush into burning buildings, not the fools who quake about potential car bombs in Times Square. It is the Stock Market that is the nervous Nelly. And those who jobs are created out of security.
So when we are asked to be cowards and to trust a bunch of pols, what do we say?
"Take a walk, buddy. I don't want any."
musings
September 9th, 2011 at 11:05 am
"Truther" theories? Is that because there are so many of them, and some include lizards from outer space inhabiting the body of people like Dick Cheney?
When I was in junior high in a very right wing community where people from communist countries used to come and make speeches about their loss of freedom before they escaped – I came to understand that if you wanted to go to Russia and you actually got married, nobody was going to let you go home again to the West. If somehow you escaped with your bride in a suitcase, as someone did who climbed over the Berlin Wall, then you would be heavily, and I mean heavily debriefed and followed in the US. I knew because my family was also a political one from Washington DC.
Knowing all that, I knew instantly back in 60's Anaheim where I grew up with boys named "Kurt" and "Curt" (quite popular in my generation – sons of policemen and soldiers by and large, midwestern German-Americans) — that Oswald was a really special person before he was killed by Ruby, and that he might not be what they said he was – a working class, T-shirt with his cigarettes rolled up in the sleeve, kind of no-nothing dope who "never knew nothing" – that sort of lone nut nonentity. Oh, now.
And I was just a kid and could see that.
At first, I thought the second plane told the tale. And then when the buildings came down, I started to have my doubts. It was too neat. Too neat. Didn't even see the picture of the third one.
Anything that is too neat, and with a story ready made, gets my Oswald detector flashing.
By the way, I don't wear a tinfoil hat. Lead works much better in a world of Fukushima's. I suggest everyone switch to lead.
musings
September 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am
You are really scraping the bottom here. Show a little more class!
San Fernando Curt
September 9th, 2011 at 11:22 am
You suggest any musing for which all contradictory evidence is explained away as "cover-up" isn't neat? And Curt is from Curtis – derived from Old French term for "courteous"… excusez-mois.
Generalissimo X
September 9th, 2011 at 11:47 am
what theories are those exactly? the ones that scientifically show the buildings being demolished? i was a witness downtown on 9.11. i worked at 22 cortlandt street which is attached to century 21 building. among the air craft explosions, smoke and raining bodies you could audibly hear multiple and i mean multiple as in many explosions going off. my father was an iron worker and took me to a controlled demolition of a building when i was 9 years old. all three of those buildings collapsed the exact same way and i personally witnessed the first two. i know what i saw, i know what i heard. you believe the media and the osama bin laden boogey man fairy tale, i'll stick with what i personally experienced. moreover watch architects for truth and see the "official" 9-11 hypothesis put to the test. it doesn't hold water, not one bit.
San Fernando Curt
September 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Here we go…
@Buckeystown
September 9th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Sunday is Patriot Day. Originally Prayer and Remembrance for the Victims of the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001 day, Congress unanimously made it an official holiday and called it Patriot Day. Thus the government tie their Imperial wars in with the blow back. 3000 people died as martyrs to the cause.
The Nazis were evil because Einsatzgruppen would line up innocent men, women, and children, and put a bullet into the backs of their head. But we are the good guys when the Army tie wraps a 5 month old child and 5 year old girls, along with their mothers and other family members , and put a bullet into their heads. Then called in an airstrike to destroy their home and hide evidence. Hug a vet.
Bizarro world indeen
musings
September 9th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Bravo. As you know the whole "truther" movement is salted with people who dispute the controlled demo as though it is itself disinfo. But you heard explosions, and it all went so neatly. That means the official stories are wrong, and the specifics about how exactly the whole thing was pulled off are less essential than that the officials lied.
At the behest of MvGuy I went to a website in which someone who seems to care about the details of photoshopping went on in (excruciating) detail about the probably faked Pentagon photos. Although I did not stick around to read everything this reference had to write, having already applied Occam's Razor to 9/11 as told by our puppet media, I did see something he was showing which triggered an old memory of a false photo published in an Anaheim newspaper at the start of the Vietnam War.
Two priests had allegedly shown up at the Pentagon to give last rites (and yes, I think priests do travel with their gear for that the way doctors travel with med bags to be able to stop at accidents, so that did not concern me seeing the purple prayer shawls) — and I have no way of knowing if they were genuinely there or part of another drill and photoshopped in. Just cannot tell. But one day in high school, during the Vietnam war, the cover of the local paper (Anaheim Bulletin or Santa Ana Register) had a boy from my journalism class dressed as a priest, with a rosary hanging down over a "wounded soldier" somewhere in the jungles of Vietnam. Saying the rosary is not what priests usually do over the dying and there are precious few of these men available to grunts dying in a jungle. But it was intended to convey something to my draftee contemporaries (and their parents). A lie, a propaganda lie, blatant right there. The kid wasn't in Vietnam and he had absolutely no time to study for the priesthood, but he did work in the print shop at school and on the school paper when I did.
There was of course no war yet on 9/11, but all the lies – they were loading up for it. Now we really do have enemies and dead soldiers, lots of both kinds.
B York
September 9th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
I have long since accepted what is indicated in this essay….that the Israelis had foreknowledge of the coming attack on 9/11. What I don't necessarily believe is that they failed to warn the U.S. It is, I think, more likely that a certain element of the U.S. intelligence, probably the part controlled by Cheney, was alerted to the ongoing operation and they chose to let it happen….because they saw it as serving their interest. It would be the "Pearl Harbor" they were looking for. This would explain why the F.B.I. is on your trail…..they don't want to have to follow the real trail…. which would lead to certain major players in the U.S. Government and might even upset the sheeple.
musings
September 9th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Und vas you dere Sharlie?
San Fernando Curt
September 9th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
My hologram image was.
musings
September 9th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Okay, so that puts you in the LIHOP school – "Let it happen on purpose" and of course this is often a position taken by those who may (not necessarily you though) tend to see it as something political, where a cabinet already described before 9/11 in the press as a "war cabinet" or "war party" was eager to go fight in the Mideast and just waiting for the first opportunity to capitalize on their privileged position (one awarded after a long silence following a close election) – in other words, the meaningful entity here is the Bush administration in that they found a way to benefit from a tragedy they did not themselves cause.
Is that how you see it?
Cephus
September 9th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
To read the Tikun Olam post from April 2009: http://web.archive.org/web/20090430093627/http://…?
Cephus
September 9th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
While I don't speak for B York, and am not convinced this is the case, a strong argument could be made supporting this position. The fact that so many signatories of the "Open Letter" were involved at the highest level of policy-making in GWB's administration indicates how central was the goal of regime change in Iraq. Again, I am not certain this was the case, but it certainly is a possibility.
thedissenter
September 9th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Cracking down on whistleblowers is one of the legacies of the Obomber administration.
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And here are a couple of interesting articles on the subject from the other half of the Axis of Evil
http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/in-wake…
http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/how-9-1…
Nelson_2008
September 9th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
But a "LIHOP" scenario doesn't explain why they're stonewalling on the anthrax murders or why they're stonewalling on the "put options" or why they studiously refuse to test for explosives in the WTC towers, or why they won't ask Silverstein a few simple, obvious questions, does it?
Moreover, as they zealously continue to pursue their self-destructive agenda for imperial conquest, while the bodies pile up and the treasury is depleted and our rights are taken away…as their breathtaking treachery and wickedness and moral depravity are on full public display for the whole world to see, as it becomes obvious that their imperial agenda is far more important than anything else, why should we not suspect these inhuman monsters are capable of having "made it happen on purpose"?
A. G. Phillbin
September 9th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
On another subject, I just had striped bass for dinner. That was just after I attended Mass. This all happened in Massachussetts, of course. Of course, I ate too much, and this subsequently caused lassitude. Of course, one can never just let that pass. I decided to do something that required a lot of brass. Perhaps i should have eaten wrass instead. Well, I fell like such an a-s-s.
Avi of Mondoweiss
September 9th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Justin,
If you think living in Italy under the likes of Berlusconi is any better, wait until you move there. I have a friend who is a native Italian. She recently moved TO the US. She has been filling me in on Berlusconi and the mafiosos that run the country.
How's that scene from Good Will Hunting go?
Sean: So what do you really want to do?
Will: I wanna be a shepherd.
Sean: Really.
Will: I wanna move up to Nashua, get a nice little spread, get some sheep and tend to them.
Sean: Maybe you should go do that.
Avi of Mondoweiss
September 9th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
It's all depressingly true.
I might just move to some remote corner of the planet, find me a flock of sheep and tend to them. It's as simple and peaceful a lifestyle as can be.
If anyone needs me, I'll be the long haired, long bearded guy playing his harmonica to the sound of a fire crackling in the cold Tibetan night.
Lawrence
September 9th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Really? There is so much evidence of CD in the WTC7 rubble that it can arguably be considered proof… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
Lawrence
September 9th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Has Justin checked the Internet Archive for the post? http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.richa… Not knowing when it was posted makes it more difficult to track down.
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Yes, but this shall not p-a-s-s.
A. G. Phillbin
September 10th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Perhaps piss shall p-a-s-s.
Generalissimo X
September 10th, 2011 at 5:45 am
i was also downtown in '93 in the same building when they tried to blow it up with bombs…again, an fbi patsy was given a REAL BOMB to plant, but we're all just lunatics. that bomb shook, i mean SHOOK the building i was in and rattled the glass. it was like an M80 going off in your cubicle. after the second plane hit, i'd say maybe after a few minutes so hard to really gauge time,,,you could hear and feel more detonations. huge ones…some of which are on various documentaries but they weren't "pops" as has been described. before the "collapse" of both wtc 1 and 2 there were more massive explosions and then down they came. fast. at that point i had already moved up church st. but there was huge booms, the ground shook, THEN the towers started to dissolve. not collapse, but just be pulverized into dust. steel buildings don't pancake, never have before or since that day. i love people like curt's condescension..no info other than what you're told, but you're the expert. firefighters, engineers, witnesses, no we dont' count…the gov't stooges who at the very least were asleep at the wheel are telling you everything you need to know. i mean really what adult actually believes that? grow up and then wake up. gov'ts murder…its what they do.
Generalissimo X
September 10th, 2011 at 5:48 am
if you're so confident in what you know, indulge us by watching the video. at the very least you'll have more ammo to be a condescending tool with.
San Fernando Curt
September 10th, 2011 at 7:55 am
Hmm. You're quite an arrogant hoe yourself.
San Fernando Curt
September 10th, 2011 at 7:57 am
Don't tell me – you were on the Hindenberg, too. Right?\
MvGuy
September 10th, 2011 at 8:14 am
musings, Thank You for checking out http://911studies.com I have nothing to do with that site. However, when I discovered the diligent work of Bob White combined with his history of debunking government fabrications, I have been suggesting people, not SURE of the official legend, should have a look at Mr. White's meticulous deconstruction of the photos PLUS what they actually show… Of course ersatz and shopped photos prove nothing per se. It is what the photos document, inadvertentally that appears to give their game away http://911studies.com/911photostudies42.htm http://911studies.com/911photostudies43.htm http://911studies.com/911photostudies66.htm http://911studies.com/911photostudies65.htm
Jack White' rules:
No.1 Never accept "official stories without close questioning.
No. 2 Never accept "official photos" without close examination.
No.3 The government has excellent facilities for faking photos.
No.4 Many who are assigned to fake photos against their conscience put secret clues in their work in the hope the fakery will be exposed.
911 was an overly ambitious event and there are so many lose threads just waiting to be pulled as Mr. Raimondo found with his Dominick Suter work….
Oswaldwasalefty
September 10th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Israel given the Saigon treatment in Cairo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/t…
Meanwhile, Egypt and Turkey exploring closer ties: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/09/turke…
Of course, Israeli apologists will never admit they've helped bring this onto themselves with their recent behavior.
musings
September 10th, 2011 at 10:57 am
It was the second time I heard "Atta" in this context – they must have played it years ago, so it does not seem to be new. Ever notice how Arab speakers are sort of gutteral – it comes from the back of the throat? Hungarians use the front of the mouth, the lips, in my opinion. I don't know if George Soros still sounds how he did once upon a time, because he probably doesn't speak it that much these days. Just a sense impression on my part. Of course anyone with expertise could make sound analysis. But the purpose of this recording is to make the public feel there is a record, that YOU ARE THERE. And after the 9/11 "investigation" I would have no trust in any official analysis.
I don't think this is proof in any way, except perhaps of a staged exercise in which people were hired on the cheap somewhere.
There's another thread to the story of the passengers which is interesting. One guy was an employee of Enron Wind, many from Raytheon (which has a training program for flight controllers), some with National Geographic associations (the kids going to federally controlled and really weird destination of California's Channel Islands – who would take tiny little black kids from Washington to such a barren and unfun destination to see "nature"), lots of people on their way to somewhere they were going to move (Australia), and I don't know how typical it is to have people of ties to a certain ethnicity also in huge percentages on the planes. It all seems too neat – like the implosions. Real life tends to be more random, as do building collapses. Everything is packaged like a movie. It means a lot of the alleged passengers were made up or people who already had some other identity and were going back where they came from – or had already gone there. Some may have recently died. I'm not saying this to be sensational myself, only observing that the canned stories could easily have been concocted with the cooperation of defense-connected companies and nations with a stake in ridding the Mideast of people like Saddam. We were lucky to find out that the anthrax was domestic from a military lab, but not soon enough to prevent a panic in the public which facilitated the USA Patriot Act and the Iraq War. Since we know the anthrax was a deliberate provocation, if you walk it back, you can see that perhaps so was 9/11, for the big kick-off as a longed-for (Project for a New American Century) second Pearl Harbor.
One big difference about Pearl Harbor: we defeated the Japanese and the war was over (to the extent any war ever is) in four years. Not so this stupid one.
While the nostalgia about surviving 9/11 drips over the radio and tv waves, families are being called to the ring of the doorbell and the announcement that their son or daughter is dead. Several times a week.
If only out of respect for these dead, it might be smarter to stop wallowing in 9/11 nostalgia, the filthiest bath a person can take.
musings
September 10th, 2011 at 11:13 am
So eager are they to disenfranchise. The writ of attainder was the writ of tyrants, which our Constitution specifically disallowed.
Any attempt to disenfranchise (with all the losses this implies) is an attempt to circumvent due process of law with a new writ. Why would they propose such a fundamentally redundant law (when there are already laws to deal with the Pollards, Rosenberg's and McVeigh's? To chill First Amendment liberties of course.
Now a lot of people think this is just because of "wartime" but when do you think this war will end? "Not in our lifetimes" said many in Bush's administration and many pundits of the neocon persuasion. "Permanent Revolution" said the Trots, and then they turned neocon.
But the leering face of tyranny has risen from its crypt, released by the explosions of 9/11. We must put a stake through its heart.
musings
September 10th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Justin: Amanda Knox. Need I say more?
MvGuy
September 10th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
musings, Thank You for checking out http://911studies.com I have nothing to do with that site. However, when I discovered the diligent work of Bob White combined with his history of debunking government fabrications, I have been suggesting people, not SURE of the official legend, should have a look at Mr. White's meticulous deconstruction of the photos PLUS what they actually show… Of course ersatz and shopped photos prove nothing per se. It is what the photos document, inadvertentally that appears to give their game away http://911studies.com/911photostudies42.htm http://911studies.com/911photostudies43.htm http://911studies.com/911photostudies66.htm http://911studies.com/911photostudies65.htm
MvGuy
September 10th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
They seem to have earned the enmity of I.3OO,OOO,OOO souls…. I hope it werkz out for them better than I foresee…!!!
Generalissimo X
September 11th, 2011 at 6:05 am
yeah i'm only a witness and someone who experienced the event first hand..what do i know? really man, i'd like to meet you in person sometime. watch the video and grow up you freakin pathetic know it all.
Generalissimo X
September 11th, 2011 at 6:10 am
oh you're hilarious..so subtle and intelligent..guys like you know everything right curt? my fist. your face. that's what i got for you. you haven nothing, only sad condescension…say out in the valley curt with your nothing life and your sad little existence. and if you're ever travelling to nyc let me know..i'd love to meet you downtown and show you ground zero. then i can learn all about your intelligence and well thought out theories on 911 cause if the gov't says it then it's true. i believe millionaires in suits paid byt the msm but witnesses and real people need to be disregarded. you're the problem with this country. seriously….
San Fernando Curt
September 11th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Oh, dearie me. A keyboard Ali. You sound like one of the German-American cops and soldiers who so bedevil musings' meanderings.
John Edwards
September 12th, 2011 at 1:00 am
Justin,
Well done mate. FYI There was a recent case where a renegade member of the British Intelligence was being hounded by his erstwhile employers. As a Brit he was entitled to work in Italy bur needed a permission from the local police chief. He was first dismayed and then delighted when the police chief visited him in person. The police chief explained that he had recieved a peremptory note from the British that on no account was a work permit to be issued, and it was for that reason he had delivered the work permit in person.
It only takes a few honest men to spoil it for everyone else.
John Edwards,
Vote for Satan, why settle for a lesser evil?
JohnWV
September 12th, 2011 at 1:44 am
UN recognition of Palestine is but the beginning. Israel has made itself into a militant supremacist theocracy/ethnocracy with ICBM nukes; a very real and rapidly increasing threat to itself and to the whole world. A pariah among nations. Somehow, Israel has to be redirected. United States must stand aside. UN and EU can then impose resolution just as involuntary, disruptive and humiliating to Israel as Israel has wreaked upon occupied Palestine for generations. The Jewish State must be made to recognize a Palestine with UN enforced autonomy, eviction of all settlers, true contiguity encompassing Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem together, neither pinched or parceled, and pay punitive reparations.
mitch
September 13th, 2011 at 12:56 am
If I had the means, I'd go to Chile. I've heard it is an excellent place to start or restart life. Lord knows I have no future in America.
Scott
September 13th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Another great article by a brilliant man