The FBI vs. Antiwar.com
Secret documents reveal government spy-and-smear campaign
The phone rang.
It was a beautiful Saturday afternoon and it was my day off. Sitting in my rather neglected garden, as the late afternoon light sparkled golden on the tops of the plum trees, I put down my book – the 1995 edition of The Year’s Best Science Fiction, edited by Gardner Dozois – with more than a little annoyance. I was smack dab in the middle of a short story, “Asylum,” by Katharine Kerr, a tale about a future military coup in the US, written from the point of view of a particularly earnest liberal with faintly radical leanings. The main character is a woman writer who is abroad when the generals take over, and is marked as an enemy of the state on account of her book, Christian Fascism: Its Roots and Rise. Her San Francisco office is raided and her files carted away. She gets a call from a friend before the coup plotters cut off all communications with the outside world: “It’s seven days in May – stay where you are!” She stays, but is tortured by the prospect of her daughter being in harm’s way: when communications with America are finally restored, she wrestles with the question of whether to pick up the phone and make a call that might endanger her daughter. After all, what if the Christian Fascists are listening?
The phone kept ringing. I picked it up with annoyance: it was our webmaster, Eric Garris, telling me about this – FBI documents recovered through the Freedom of Information Act that detail surveillance of Antiwar.com, the staff, and specifically yours truly.
A word about the authenticity of the documents and their provenance: they were posted on a public website, Scribd.com: their form, including the extensive redactions, the acronymic bureaucratese, and the lunk-headed cluelessness which dominates the FBI’s corporate culture, so to speak, combine to verify their authenticity.
As to the content of these documents, one word describes them: bizarre.
According to a memo stamped “Secret,” marked as “routine,” and dated April 30, 2004, we apparently drew the attention of the feds when we posted a copy of a “terrorist suspect list” [.pdf] which had been supplied by the US government to various corporate and governmental agencies, both here and abroad. These documents – including one posted on the web site of an Italian banking association – contained the names of those on a “watch list,” the product of an FBI operation dubbed “Operation Lookout.” The memo acknowledges the list “was posted on the internet” in “different versions,” but says the FBI “assessment was conducted on the findings discovered on www.antiwar.com.”
These guys are using us a resource – so why haven’t they contributed to our fund drive?
The April 30 memo – which was issued to FBI counterrorism offices in New York, Philadelphia, St. Louis, and San Francisco – is prefaced with the following rather ominous “administrative” note:
“This document contains information obtained under the authority of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), 50 U.S.C., Section 1801. Such FISA derived information shall not be used in any criminal proceeding, including grand jury proceedings …”
FISA created a special secret court, to which the feds have to go to get approval from a judge to tap your phone, open your mail, and rifle through your garbage. This accounts for the large number of lengthy redactions that pepper the pages of this report. Sneaking around corners, and spying on Americans engaged in peaceful and legal activities, they don’t want anyone to know how closely they mimic the methods of totalitarian governments,
After a paragraph of précis detailing the basic facts about Antiwar.com – its mission, personnel, and nonprofit status – the details of several database searches are enumerated. A search of the Universal Index (UNI) for antiwar.com “was negative,” however “a scan of the Electronic Case File (ECF) revealed numerous documents for [redacted] and antiwar.com.” This is apparently an index of documents, “intelligence,” and random rumors picked up by various FBI snoops. The information revealed about Antiwar.com is, naturally, redacted, although we are given a hint as to the origins of some of the dirt they have on us: “File 65T-HQ-1427774 serial 26, dated 04/14/2004, from the Counterintelligence Unit CD-4E/11869 to the Washington Field Office furnished Washington Field Office with information received by [next four lines redacted].”
So who says we don’t have friends in Washington?
The redactions are extensive. The next entry refers to another file in the FBI database and starts out in mid sentence:
“…that he was in possession of a document which was written in Italian. This document specified that [redacted] was a suspect on an FBI list. The document contained[redacted] social security number, date of birth, and two previous addresses. [Redacted] was listed as [redacted] on a list dated 05/22/02. This document can be found at www.antiwar.com/justin/CI-08-02.pdf.”
This almost certainly refers to one of my columns about the mysterious “Urban Movers,” the Israeli employees of a New Jersey moving company who were arrested on 9/11/01 on suspicion they had some connection to the attacks. Five Israeli nationals were arrested that day, and held for over three months, subjected to lie detector tests, and later deported back to Israel. The owner of the company, one Dominick Suter, and his wife, fled to Israel the day before the police raided the company’s office and hauled away cartons of evidence: the Suters are among those listed on the “terrorist suspect list.” That was the angle I pursued in my columns, and it looks like the FBI also took an intense interest in the Suters.
The FBI’s intense interest in this “suspect list” verifies that, as I wrote on several occasions, it is indeed authentic. The “enclosures” accompanying the memo include two pieces written by me on the subject: one a piece I wrote for Chronicles magazine about the New Jersey incident, and another antiwar.com column which they wrongly attribute to some website styling itself as “Pravda” (a site which was never authorized to publish my work). While the FBI and the US government have long denounced the persistent stories [.pdf] of “Israeli art students” and “Urban Movers” conducting covert activities on Israel’s behalf in the US as an “urban myth,” their inclusion of Suter and his spouse on their “Operation Lookout” list and their apparent panic that I publicized this fact directly contradicts their denials.
Here’s how the law enforcement resources devoted to “counterterrorism” are being spent: scouring for useful “intelligence” on Antiwar.com on the internet turned up an article – title and author redacted – “reporting on the magnitude and value of American military and economic assistance to Israel” whose author cited “one of his sources of information as www.antiwar.com.”
Aha! Evidence! But evidence of what?
A report dated 11/13/2002 describes a peaceful protest at the gates of a military base in Britain, during the course of which someone handed out a leaflet citing my “Urban Movers” piece. Another report, detailing a meeting of the neo-Nazi National Alliance, apparently attended by one of their undercover agents, says “a member discussed a website, Antiwar.com,” as a way to “educate themselves about the Middle East conflict.” As if to provide a “balanced” view, the memo cites the website of the New York Jewish Defense League – an officially designated terrorist outfit – as including “harsh criticism” as well as photographs of Eric Garris and myself.
Slowly, but surely, the author of this FBI memo is building a case: the document is written in the language of an indictment – but what are the charges? That Antiwar.com is widely read and cited? That we posted a publicly available document on the internet, one that was published by Cryptome.org and others? That we are in league with neo-Nazis and are hoping to start a race war and initiate a reign of terror? Well, that’s just a warm-up, folks, because it’s worse than that:
“File 17A-LA-234485 serial 55, dated 11/10/2003 indicated that on 10/27/2003, a special agent reviewed the computer hard drives of [several words redacted]. The review of two hard drives revealed visits to many websites between 07/25/2002 and 06/15/2003. One of the websites listed was antiwar.com.”
Of course, we’re terrorists – yes, that must be it. Otherwise why would the FBI Counterterrorism Unit be taking such an interest in Antiwar.com? And the proof? Well, someone snared in one of their investigations actually went to our website – more than once! If that isn’t a good reason for the feds to set their dogs sniffing around our garbage cans, well then I don’t know what is.
Following this “incriminating” tidbit are several redacted paragraphs, interspersed with one rather intriguing comment: “There are four FISA derived references [to Antiwar.com] located at Newark [FBI Office].” Only the serial numbers corresponding to the files in the FBI database are referenced: the rest is redacted, including what they discovered after searching DMV records.
Under “Analyst Comments,” we are told that “the rights of individuals to post information and express personal views on the internet should be honored, however” the “terrorist suspect list” we published is somehow “singular in nature and not suitable for public release.”
Well, they should have thought of that before they released the list to that Italian bankers’ association and other internet-accessible sources. Yet we aren’t dealing here with rational human beings: these are government snoops pursuing an ideologically-driven vendetta.
From the implication that we’re engaged in illegal activities the memo segues easily into inquisitorial mode:
“There are several unanswered questions regarding www.antiwar.com. It describes itself as a nonprofit group that survives on generous contributions from its readers. Who are these contributors and what are the funds utilized for?”
The idea that the FBI is interested in identifying our contributors is probably not something I ought to be dwelling on in the midst of our fundraising drive: clearly the feds want to intimidate our supporters, but I have to ask: what in the name of the Constitution is the FBI doing investigating the contributors to a legal organization that is engaged in exercising its right to free speech, absent any evidence of criminal activity? In spite of the memo’s strenuous efforts to link us with terrorism, the “evidence” they present is laughable, strictly amateur hour – an embarrassment. Are these the people charged with protecting us? If so, these Keystone Kops are worse than useless: they’re downright dangerous.
The next three lines of the memo are redacted, ending in “on www.antiwar.com,” and continuing:
“If this is so, then what is his true name? Two facts have been established by his assessment. Many individuals worldwide do view this website including individuals who are currently under investigation and [next two lines redacted].”
Justin is a name I adopted at the age of sixteen, when I decided I was going to be a writer; my Wikipedia entry contains all the information they’re seeking in that regard, as any sixteen-year-old could discover in a few seconds of Googling. But I guess it’s too much to expect the FBI can muster the investigative powers of an American teenager. They proved that on 9/11/01, and in this memo they prove it all over again.
I saved the best for last: the “action” recommendations contained in the memo. While directing the Washington FBI’s Electronic Communication Analysis Unit (ECAU) to “further monitor the postings of website www.antiwar.com,” the San Francisco office – where both Eric and I lived at the time – is tasked with the following:
“It is recommended that a PI be opened to determine if [redacted] are engaging in, or have engaged in, activities which constitute a threat to National Security on behalf of a foreign power.”
Reading that, I could hardly believe my eyes. Yielding to a sudden need for fresh air, I went out into my garden and just sat there for a few moments, warming myself in the last rays of the setting sun. It all seemed so unreal. Was this really happening, or had I imagined the whole thing? I returned to my computer and read it again, just to be certain, and – sure enough – there it was, plain as the pixels on my screen: I was accused of being “a threat to National Security” and working “on behalf of a foreign power.”
What “foreign power” would that be – Libertopia? Galt’s Gulch?
On what evidence was this “preliminary investigation” opened – and is it continuing? We don’t know the answers to these questions because the FBI redacted a good deal of the information it released to the FOIA petitioner, an obscure blogger I’ve never heard of. If the feds have such evidence, then let them release it – instead of releasing heavily censored documents that simply make unsupported assertions. That this kind of systematic defamation is now part and parcel of our system of “law enforcement” makes a mockery of the idea that we live in a free society. We don’t, as this incident has brought home to be in a very personal way.
That some idiotic overpaid FBI “analyst” is sitting around “analyzing” material that appears on Antiwar.com and concluding that we are engaged in activities “on behalf of a foreign power” is straight out of Bizarro World. Instead of tracking down criminals, and listening in on the communications of terrorists plotting violence against this country, they are sitting around reading my old columns, intercepting my emails, and listening to my phone conversations. This is at once depressing and frightening: depressing because one wonders: don’t these incompetents have any adult supervision? Frightening because the idea of some government sneak having full knowledge of my internet hookups and my two-hour long conversations with my sister about the condition of her cats is the ultimate in creepiness.
That the FBI is engaged in a campaign of defamation and intimidation aimed at this website is not at all surprising, and yet I still can’t accept it emotionally. We have done nothing wrong: indeed, it is the FBI which is clearly in the wrong. Their activities in regard to Antiwar.com are of dubious legality, and are an infringement of our rights to free speech and to organize on behalf of our ideas. We demand the FBI retract its defamatory and damaging accusations, cease all investigations of our legally protected activities, and – most important – reveal the nature and full extent of their trumped-up “investigation.”
Are we still living in America – or are we living in a world very much like the one depicted in “Asylum,” where I have to worry about what I say and who I say it to, for fear of my government? It looks like the coup envisioned in that science fiction story has already occurred.
Like the main character in “Asylum,” these days I pick up the phone with some trepidation: do I want to call this person and say that with Big Brother listening? Do I want to incriminate someone – a friend, a relative, an acquaintance? How careful do I have to be in what I say?
The FBI wants to know how we manage to fund Antiwar.com, and I have to say I really don’t know how we’ve done it all these years. “Who are these contributors, and how are the funds utilized?” That’s easy: just take a look at that thermometer on the right side of the front page. It says how much was given by how many contributors – and no, we don’t release the names of small contributors, and never will. How are the funds utilized? They pay for the upkeep of this site: we pay paltry salaries to some of the writers, the administrators, the web monkeys, and the editors. We pay to keep Antiwar.com safe from denial-of-service attacks, and other cyber-shenanigans engaged in by mysterious “hackers” and others with the same agenda as the FBI’s, which is to shut down Antiwar.com permanently.
Antiwar.com is clearly under attack from the government – but that’s not the only problem we face. The government is so eager to know how we get our money, and so I’ll let them in on the inside scoop: with increasing difficulty. Thanks to their disastrous economic policies, whereas two or three years ago it took us a mere week to meet our fundraising goal, these days it takes three weeks.
We’ve got the feds breathing down our necks, and our creditors, too: it’s a two-front war against snoops and a bank account in perpetual decline.
We need your help in fighting this battle: we need our readers and supporters to stand up to Big Brother (or, in this case, Big Sister), and tell the feds to go to hell. The best way to do that is by making your tax-deductible donation to Antiwar.com. We intend to expose the feds’ spying operation and part of that is a legal fight – but we need funding for such an effort, far more than our minuscule budget presently allows.
We want to teach these creeps a lesson, one they’ll never forget – but we can’t do it without your help. Please, make your donation today – before “Operation Smear Antiwar.com,” better known as “Operation Frame-Up,” puts us out of business for good.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Common Fallacies About
Anti-Interventionism – February 21st, 2012 - The Big One Cometh – February 19th, 2012
- Voting Out the War Party? – February 16th, 2012
- The Pentagon’s Lie Machine – February 14th, 2012
- What Now? – February 12th, 2012





skulz fontaine
August 21st, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Right on Mr. Raimondo. Been there, done that. Had the sinister bastards parked in a driveway across from our house and the idiot had a vid camera trained on our house. Had the creeping little freaks in our backyard. Oh yes tis true tis oh so very true.
Idiot behind the wheel of the antennaed car the swine was driving, about broke his front axle doing his best to get away from me and my binoculars. Got the dummy's license plate and oh yes I did.
Boy, I know about the need for funding. Ron Paul needs, and Antiwar.com needs and as I peer inside my wallet, yikes, it's scarily thin.
Not to worry as we'll do our damnedest to kick in. But…
andie531
August 21st, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Dear Justin.
I'm the obscure blogger.
The FBI announces declassified documents on its website:
http://www.fbi.gov/foia/ http://vault.fbi.gov/
Apparently, the Dancing Israeli docs have been declassified / available to the public since at least 2005 (or at least that's what I gather from the stamps on the pages).
As I stated in my blog article – why is it that 9-11 researchers haven't gotten hold of these? They are free and available on CD – some others can be found online (see Vault link above).
I did think it was a little odd that they mentioned antiwar.com – I did put it in the notes – but I thought you must have already known about it. Sorry – I didn't mean to surprise you.
I have spent a number of years doing people searches, document searches, legal searches, (mostly for personal reasons – sometimes for money) so I guess my experience helped. Just wanted to see if I could dig anything up.
MvGuy
August 21st, 2011 at 9:46 pm
"or have engaged in, activities which constitute a threat to National Security on behalf of a foreign power.”……. Perhaps we could direct our hapless keystones toward AIPAC….. It seems to fit the bill so much more aptly…..!!
Johnny in Wi.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Justin: They must have a file three feet thick on you. You have to be on page one of the list of who they grab when it comes to the American Night of the Long Knives. File your own request and get a good civil rights lawyer. I used to be in a tough business and had many battles with various agencies of government. I am sure I have some kind of file. I found that the best way to handle government agencies is to kick them in the teeth. I ways start by demanding record requests. I did it many times and used what I found to cause trouble. The more trouble you make the better. Especially with all your friends out here. If you find they have violated your rights in anyway sue. You have a right to your records and you have your civil rights. Use these tools. Kick back when they kick you. I know you are not one to run from a fight.
Tony DiGerolamo
August 21st, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Well, despite the creepiness of it all, congrats Justin. That the government is afraid of the site probably means you're doing something right! I donate to Antiwar.com and you can suck it, FBI!
Mike Flores
August 21st, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Even if you think the FBI should watch peace groups, this is embarassing. It seems to be the nature of the group: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=8099303&…
RickR30
August 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Why am I not surprised. It had to happen eventually, what else is the FBI supposed to do? It's not like we don't have US Senators and Representatives, White House staff, dual citizens and neo cons all over the US governments working night and day threatening national security on behalf of a certain foreign power, that needs investigation. It's not like Murdoch and his zombies couldn't have been doing who knows what nasty things to get their stories. Instead let's go after Antiwar.com. And do tell, FBI, just what government would Antiwar.com work for? Syria? Lebanon? OMG, it's Iran isn't it?!?
Since this whole investigation is framed in the context of the israeli high fivers, one has to wonder, on whose behalf is the FBI investigating Antiwar.com? Could it be that the FBI itself is doing this smear job on behalf of a foreign power? Is the FBI now too, as so much of the Federal Government, a useful tool of that foreign power, which no doubt has to be one of our great allies and friends?
Stephen VanDyke
August 21st, 2011 at 11:08 pm
This.
Push the pertinent information, lawyer up and well you probably know more about this than anyone. Antiwar.com v. United States Department of Justice has a nice ring to it.
andie531
August 21st, 2011 at 11:27 pm
PS
I live on a low income. Anyone wishing to contribute a buck or two in the tip jar on my blog http://mybigfatanti-zionistlife.blogspot.com/
it will be very much appreciated.
Jan
August 22nd, 2011 at 12:16 am
I guess Justin glossed over the bottom of page 8 where the analyst comments:
"(ANALYST COMMENTS: The right of individuals to post information and express personal views on the internet should be honored and protected; however, some information that is circulated on the internet can compromise current active FBI investigations. The discovery of two detailed Excel spreadsheets posted on http://www.antiwar.com may not be significant by itself since distribution of the information on such lists are widespread."
Much ado about nothing.
I am more interested in why the Israeli national had the number for the moving company used by one of the hijackers and the extent of their spy operation.
Jan
August 22nd, 2011 at 12:28 am
Not to mention they say the van the Israeli's were driving did in fact test positive for traces of explosives.
andie531
August 22nd, 2011 at 12:38 am
Which moving co was that?
dndn
August 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 am
COINTELPRO
Avi of Mondoweiss
August 22nd, 2011 at 1:40 am
Between you, me and the toilet bowl, I wonder if the FBI know I had a bad case of the runs a few months ago. Quick, someone get that coded message to the NSA. lol
How's that for toilet humor? I know what you're thinking, "It's [redacted] [redacted]."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ-ALQ8wcqk
Oh and by the way, [..............................redacted.......................................................................]
movement.
Eleu
August 22nd, 2011 at 3:06 am
The law bars intelligence agencies from acting domestically, especially against US citizens. If they can argue that a target constitutes "a threat to National Security" and "on behalf of a foreign power" that triggers exemptions allowing intelligence agencies to move against a US citizen and to act within the borders of the country http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_i… , thus I find it to be a likely objective of the investigation you learned of. You and others associated with antiwar.com likely have lengthy FBI files and there's a good chance that there are "counterterrorism" files from other government agencies. Tens of thousands of people are targeted for investigation in the US which clearly have no links terrorism https://wits.nctc.gov/FederalDiscoverWITS/index.d… and one must presume are targeted for political reasons.
Henry
August 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 am
"may not be significant by itself"
You obviously are not familiar with the "mosaic theory" of criminality, currently used in material support for terrorism prosecutions.
I will bump up my contribution to maintain the constitutionally guaranteed right to the free flow of information in the U.S., which we preach must be permitted to the likes of China and Cuba. Hopefully, we all do.
Rich
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:37 am
thanks for everything you are doing. Protecting the identity of your contributors, while it is something you should do (as a matter of honor), is next to impossible. The majority of your contributions (I suspect) are made online and through either credit cards or paypal. All these records are accessible to the FBI and the other feds. The banks and web service providers bend over without a warrant and so do the telephone companies. That has been true since before antiwar.com existed.
Thank you for whatever protection you can provide, but I am pretty sure the right thing to do is not to hide. If the government want to know who stands up for freedom, they don't have to snoop around the credit card records. They can just ask me and the rest of us (I imagine I am not alone) and we will tell them.
I only hope this works to convince more people to resist the tyranny and smoke its hideous perpetrators out into the open. I'm just a dreamer :) We can then play 'pin the tail on the donkey' with the fascist/communist blowhards and embarass them to death (better than violence).
Or, we can hide in our rooms, shut off the internet connections, grab a good friend and party all to hell – while Rome burns.
I vacillate..
tomthumbsgallery
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:52 am
Thank you for being open about what you discovered. We should stand up for what we believe is right. That is the American Way. I sent you a donation by snail mail (now that I cancelled my MasterCard, PayPal, and Amazon accounts after they scourged Wikileaks). I would rather be making art for peace than answering false accusations from a paranoid/malicious government agent, but I don't think that they are giving us a choice.
coleenrowley
August 22nd, 2011 at 7:07 am
Welcome to the brave new world of "Total Information Awareness" where 854,000 top secret agents, operatives,analysts, contractors and consultants believe they can pre-empt acts of "terrorism" by collecting massive amounts of data on everyone. The American Public has been so fear and hate-mongered that they don't question this absolutely insane and tremendously costly system. Worse than McCarthyism and Cointelpro on steroids but instead we give this "Top Secret America" the green light to do whatever it wants to with carte blanche. I hate to warn people but the FBI's few thousand, amongst these 854,000 which includes plenty of BlackWater type private contractors, is probably a cut more professional.
There's another article today out (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28900.htm) about how the FBI approaches lawyers to get them to inform and spy on their own clients and if a lawyer does not go along and sign up as an FBI informant, then he or she is put on the government's "terrorist watch list". Obviously if you're not with us, you're against us.
I should also mention that I'm sure that many of the million top secret agents, operatives, analysts do not necessarily believe they are accomplishing anything of value engaging in the massive data collection. It's nothing but opportunism–they have to justify they are doing something and so they produce this paper. (Same as during J Edgar Hoover's Cold War hunt for Communists.) But almost none of the 854,000 will risk their $100,000 or above annual salaries to speak out —not even internally. There's no whistleblower protection and no one is going to rock the boat and risk losing their jobs. So the exercise in futility will go on until the American Public questions the trillion dollars being poured into such Keystone Cop endeavors.
the lion
August 22nd, 2011 at 7:23 am
Not being Paranoid or anything, but I suggest you get your vehicle(s) checked for trackers and bugs.
moe7
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:34 am
It may be benign enough now, but if we get hit with another major terrorist attack, that's when they'll turn the screws – and frightened Americans won't dare say boo.
Jaime
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:55 am
I was not going to donate this time because of my anemic account, but in reading this my sense of outrage went through the ceiling and I am in this very moment giving Antiwar as much as I can. From the Peruvian Andes, a warm greeting to those who have the gallantry to take up that criminal association, that immoral combine, in short the modern Leviathan.
DWCarkuff
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:57 am
Jeeze, I thought all of this scary, big brothery stuff was going to change once we had Hopey McChange in charge. After all, WE are the government. Barry said so.
steve pesce
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:12 am
I had no idea you guys were so important! I remember an old movie with a young Elliot Gould where his phone is being tapped. So he goes on the phone all the time and rails about the lame FBI agent who would get assigned to his meager case. He does it so much that the FBI calls him and begs him to stop. He's getting depressed from hearing the truth about his life as an FBI operative on his way out. Sounds like you guys should run any article about how lame these guys are and see if you can give them a complex.
liveload
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:21 am
You a Turrist Luvvuh, ain'tcha boy? You know what we do ta Turrist luvvuhs round these parts?
charley caruso
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 am
All governments are dictatorships. Some just disguise it better than others.
The U.S. disguise is wearing thin.
Kitty Antonik Wakfer
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 am
Justin wrote: "Well, they should have thought of that before they released the list to that Italian bankers’ association and other internet-accessible sources. Yet we aren’t dealing here with rational human beings: these are government snoops pursuing an ideologically-driven vendetta."
Re. " government snoops pursuing an ideologically-driven vendetta", I'll agree that this is very likely the case with those in management positions in all government agencies and their bosses (top dogs too, of course), especially in the agencies chartered with enforcing laws/directives/mandates/regulations/etc. However, for the lower echelon in these "law enforcement" agencies, the enforcers, are thugs, willing to initiate force for dollars while the vast majority of their helpers (analysts, support staff) are more like bean counters who care nothing about "ideology" but are simply followers/dupes of influencers who *do* have a detailed vendetta agenda. As such, the enforcer-helpers are agreeably ready to "pass the ammunition" to those actually doing the physical harm.
If those in government overseeing and directing FBI analysts are really worried about anti-war.com, then the organization is making those at the top uncomfortable – and properly so! This action by the US government motivates me to give anti-war.com more support, NOT less!
andie531
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 am
BTW, Justin, if it makes you feel any better:
My mom once joined the Birchers (early 1960's) and then quit, because the Bircher group she attended would not allow discussions of the Federal Reserve. Every time she'd try to bring it up, there would be this quick dismissal of the subject by the Bircher-in-charge.
This was about the time Eustace Mullins came out with his book on the Fed. Books like that were advertised in rags catering to conservative groups, which is why my mother had read it.
So what my mom (a mere housewife) did was gather a group of a dozen ex-Birchers together 3 times a year for get-togethers at our place. They'd discuss what her and her friend (another housewife) found out thru research at the local library.
One of the members was a stock broker who had a friend in the FBI. FBI friend collared the stock broker and told him that he had been assigned to monitor "that group that you're meeting with." So the broker, worried about his income and the possibilities of being under surveillance, quit the group.
Long story short, our phone got tapped, and a "big ear" device was positioned at a point facing the other housewife's home.
Neither of them could figure out how the heck anyone knew about their group, or why the FBI considered it "subversive".
Recently I found this under Meir Kahane on Wikipedia:
"In the late 1950s to early 1960s Rabbi Kahane led a life of secrecy. His strong anti-Communist views landed him a position as a consultant with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). According to his wife Libby, his assignment was to infiltrate the anticommunist John Birch Society and report his findings back to the FBI.[14]"
I'm not sure if I understand this – was he looking for "commies" in an anti-commie group? Was my mom a "commie" for being on the wrong side of the Fed?
FBI surveillance happens. Sometimes to the best of people.
andie531
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:23 am
also, the group was near NYC, so the Kahane connection is not that far-fetched.
Ira7Epstein
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 am
You and Eric Garris will probably be among the first rounded up to be guests in the new American concentration camps (National Emergency Centers Establishment Act). That is the future of those who speak truth to power in Amerika. Laws will not help you. The criminals in control of the USG do not care about laws. They care about power, and you are a threat to thier power. Not a violent threat, but a far more dangerous sort of threat. By exposing the stupidities, the corruption, the sensless brutatlities, and the petty humiliations of the American state you are undermining its legitimacy. The Soviet Union and the Muburak dictatorship both collapsed, not as a result of a violent revolution, but because the legitimacy of those regimes were undermined. In the middle of the night some jack booted heavily armed government thugs might break into your house and haul you away to a concentration camp.
Jacque Greenleaf
August 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Disgusting, but not new. Since 1970, I have assumed that any peace group was on the FBI's list. In 1969, I joined a Quaker pacifist group in reaction to the Vietnam invasion. Many of these Quakers had been WWII resisters. One of the other younger folks who joined was always talking about escalating sitins and marches with rocks and molotov cocktails. Being naive, I just thought he was nuts. I think the older people were onto him, although they never said as much, to me, anyway. Sure enough, he was an FBI employee. I found this out, because I worked for the county medical hospital, on a locked ward. He was a witness in a case related to Black Panthers, and was housed in our ward for the duration of the trial, for his protection. You should have seen his face when he saw me wearing the keys to the unit. Yes, the feds tried to get my boss to transfer or fire me. (She refused.) Yes, he testified in court that he was and remained an FBI employee infiltrating subversive groups.
Stay anti-violent. It confuses the hell out of the agents provacateurs. Like any agent of totalitarianism, they project onto others their own lust for jackboots.
coleenrowley
August 22nd, 2011 at 1:09 pm
I've heard from people who are now in their 60's and 70's about the infiltration and spying on certain civil rights and groups which protested the Vietnam War. One man told me that his group was so happy at the time that about a dozen people showed up for a meeting only to find out years later, that only two of them were real and the other ten were infiltrators. Turns out the agencies don't share information very well so they didn't know they were redundantly targeting the same protest group.
richardbrenneman
August 22nd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
It was a message from me to Eric Garris that reported the documents, which I found linked on another website. I was surprised at the extent of the FBI's interest. But was was particularly ominous was the FBI;s headers, which indicated their investigation of Antiwar.com was part of their investigation of Osama bin Laden and terrorism in Pakistan.
GeoffreyTransom
August 22nd, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Come on, Mr Raimondo – you must surely have had at least an inkling that you would be under surveillance: that's what tax-parasites DO the moment they get their noses tweaked, and you've been a key tweaker lo these past several years.
I've said for some time that .gov and .mil databases are effectively Open Source – both through long-standing electronic infiltration, and direct hands-on infiltration by many of the vast army of disgruntled GS5s who have simply had it up to the gills with the shit they're forced to put up with.
Anonymous (and #AntiSec more broadly – and darker phyles) aren't quite yet ready to unleash everything they have: for the moment the many Tb (yes, TERAbytes) of data obtained from 'law' enforcement, intelligence and military servers remains useful as protection – in the event that .gov escalates beyond the acceptable limits, 'law' enforcement knows that there are phyles who will scorch the earth behind them, and then salt it.
Imagine a world in which individuals could pay to have the electronic version of their .gov files erased – given the woeful state of hard document storage, anyone who did so would thereafter be in a .gov blind spot, free to continue life unmolested. (Obviously there's no point in doing that until such time as one has had enough of tweaking .gov's nose: makes no sense to wipe your file then set about doing things that ensure its re-establishment).
Those of you who use various distributed pseudonymous darknets will be able to find what I'm talking about: just as .gov is incapable of preventing people from purchasing candy baskets laced with LSD, so it is incapable of preventing information from sluicing towards those who want it.
AngelaKeaton
August 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Thank you.
Rob
August 22nd, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Stay strong, Justin, you, Eric and the others have lots of support, and you've obviously done nothing wrong here. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't still try to intimidate you.
"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain."
Dear Mr./Mrs. FBI agent :
I hope your are learning a lot reading this site, it's an excellent resource. Yes, there is a lot of great authors on these pages, and there are many good interviewees.
You're welcome.
Inalienable Rights
August 22nd, 2011 at 3:35 pm
LOL
A terrorists watch list from the people that shot a woman holding a baby in the head at Ruby Ridge, and shot her son in the back and killed him?
Their hit team cut the hands and feet of an unconvinced Gordon Kahl with an axe while he was still alive and murdered a sheriff that they thought had witnesses a botched operation. And these SOB's are calling people terrorists? Does it get any more absurd than this?
Jim Bovard
August 22nd, 2011 at 4:31 pm
http://jimbovard.com/blog/2011/08/22/the-fbi-and-…
What out for those FBI intelligence analysts… some of them can type 105 words per minute.
Chumbawamba
August 22nd, 2011 at 4:55 pm
I'll thank you for bringing this to light on behalf of Mr. Raimondo and AWC, since Justin was a complete boor and neglected to do so himself.
@ilovegrover
August 22nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm
I think Justin's position is on the weak side here. The FBI does exist and if it examined antiwar.com and did nothing than write internal memos I don't see much harm here. There is certainly no defamation in any internal memo.
@ilovegrover
August 22nd, 2011 at 5:48 pm
It's like to commerce clause. Everybody is one or two degrees away from some foreign influence therefore everybody can be a target. Eh.
atc
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:15 pm
I've had this kind of "gentle" threat directed at myself. I believe the person doing this was warning me from an insider's perch. Groups of these thugs hang out in comment boards. I've caught the same circle of them in several sites…always establishing a "character" to their nomenclature. You just get used to their writing styles and the themes they use to subtly and overtly imply their agenda.
morleyevans
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:28 pm
The FBI turns out to be just like the Stasi, the KGB, and horrors, the Gestapo. My goodness! All these years I thought the FBI Special Agents spent their time chasing bank robbers like John Dillinger. I do remember a TV show when I was a kid called "I was a Spy for the FBI" which they may be watching on a grainy old black and white TV. I do agree that they should pony up some cash to help us contributors keep AntiWar.com alive. Without us, what would they do? They'd have to make us up.
Inalienable Rights
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Capture bank robbers? What are they robbing? Counterfeited fractional reserve money?
How can you steal counterfeited money?
Too many rabbit holes to go down with this government…..
Nick Mulgrave
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:56 pm
I am a long time reader of antiwar.com and I want to make a donation to this incredibly valuable and important website. The problem is that I am Australian. Will Justin's activities constitute a threat to National Security on behalf of a foreign power if he receives donations from me?
Its an absurd question but as there has been an incredible amount of absurdity going on in the United States over the past decade so I thought I should ask.
RickR30
August 22nd, 2011 at 7:00 pm
We aren't talking here about some blogger writing comments, this is a government entity that investigates wrongdoing. We don't know if it did nothing but write internal memos. With Americans losing protections from the government left and right and government entities charged with security and law enforcement trampling the constitution in the name of security, it is not a stretch that when the FBI examines something it takes action, it has happened before. Defamation is the least of our worries in this regard.
Mike Cormany
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:12 pm
The anti-war.com investigation is another in a long line of proofs that the FBI is a despicable State police squad. Mother Jones today came out with a new issue that is full of the results of a year long investigation that shows entrapment, stings, snitches and secret surveillance is their specialities as they track down the enemies of Americanism — those who want peace, believe that free speech is for everybody and who believe that just because we may detest the people in power does not mean we are terrorist sympahtizers. In face we aren't sure who the real terrorists are. Scary but essential reading for these unbelievable times – almost the entire issue is devoted to what low class scum these people are. But hey, thank goodness we don't live under thugs who have personal police squads out there tapping into our phones and checking up on our library check outs. That would be like communism, or nazism or – capitalism. One of them ism's that our leaders who believe in the righteous American way are constantly fighting.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/08/terrorism-fbi…
JLS
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Why should a national police force be spying on a website for expressing political opinions?
JLS
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Well at least we don't live in an evil police state like the Soviet Union where the government would investigate people for expressing political opinions it doesn't like.
Debbie(aussie)
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Nick, Oh dear! Maybe I have contributed to Justins problems. I have donated the last few cycles. I too am an Aussie :)
Nick Mulgrave
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Debbie, you should be proud that you are donating to antiwar.com. Good for you. I was merely trying to highlight that if the U.S. government seriously wants to go after Justin then they will find a way to do it.
Liberal Warrior
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 pm
This link is invalid? (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28900.htm)
musings
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:53 am
And why do you suppose that prosecutorial fishing expeditions are to be reviled in a free country? Why did the Constitution talk about the specificity of warrants? In fact where are the many strong words against this kind of practice in the Constitution ever quoted or honored in these times? If "9/11 changed everything" does that mean the Constitution was torn up when it happened too, that it swirled down from an office suite with the rest of the pulped detritus of the towers?
What we are seeing is the justification of their activities by the false premise that prevention of future crimes, future terror is their job through the use of watchdogs over the public discourse. In other words, they are there to steer the propaganda, and if someone gets out of line, he's a suspect in a future crime not yet plotted. You might expect this thinking in John Yoo's native South Korea. The author of the torture memos who thought it was okay for the government to torture the children of suspects is right up there with the Afghans who hanged the son of a man who would not talk. He is from a Nabokov nightmare of totalitarian life, Bend Sinister. And yet he functions quite happily in this state, in these times, rather than being deported as a felon.
I think I'll read Bend Sinister again, because it is about the state aggrandizing itself through its evil actions and experiencing its power through torture, both physical and psychological. The little office analyst is no different from a guy who plants IED's in the hopes of killing the enemy, and anyone who disagrees with power is indeed an enemy of the state.
MvGuy
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:34 am
The American Enablind act… Enacted just after the fire…….. and before the invasion(s)………
The Third Reich Playbook, brought back to us by Bush and his Neocon false flag friends…!!
musings
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:44 am
Don't know what English author Charles MacKay (1814-1889) was referencing, but I think this ditty is one of childhood favorites. It seems to play on the domestic political scene more than on foreign adventures, and is thus apposite:
"You have no enemies, you say?
Alas, my friend, the boast is poor;
He who has mingled in the fray
Of duty that the brave endure,
Must have made foes! If you have none
Small is the work that you have done.
You've hit no traitor on the hip,
You've dashed no cup from perjured lip,
You've never turned the wrong to right,
You've been a coward in the fight.
Pathetically enough, this poem turned up (though I knew it from Louis Untermeyer's Golden Book of Poetry since I was ten) at a site called "Enemies – Using poetry to express feelings about 9/11" – To be fair to the creator of the site I do not know whether he was talking about blow-back from foreign terrorists/ foreign powers or about courage to take on the Bush administration. Whichever it was, the poem was probably about internal politics in England. It has a romantic tone, a panache to it, which is the style of those who must fight close in with their own countrymen. The nimble pen versus the bludgeon of the FBI "lunkheads" – watch out for falling masonry, Justin, as the Republic crumbles.
Todd Callison
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 am
Well, in a word, it's political. There is a heck of a lot of money in those military-industrial contracts. The M-I goons now realize that Antiwar.com are not just some fruity-loopy no-count website, but actually have the potential to cut them down to size. Can only pray to god, that the justice system can withstand this and if they finally decide to prosecute, he really gets his due process and impartial hearing.
Todd Callison
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:16 am
What am I saying? Theoretically there is no more due process. This is probably the most important litmus test for all that has been in the making. Praying. Obviously if this is brought to a real court it would be laughed out…
plumbob
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:41 am
This article represents a rather dramatic way of requesting a donation.
DublD
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 am
So it is my understanding that some of the 9/11 highjackers ate at McDonalds. It is also my understanding that Timothy McVeigh shopped at Walmart. I certainly hope that Walmart and McDonalds are under similar scrutiny for providing aid, comfort and provisions to known terrorists. When will they finally shut these treasonous enterprises down and imprison their benefactors so we can all be safe?????
Jaime
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:27 am
I have been doing it from Peru too, and so far not even the corrupt Peruvian police has bothered me.
Dan Raphael
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 am
I have a question: I linked to this article in a blog post I made elsewhere (Firedoglake), and it works just fine for me. Another poster said that when s/he clicked on my link in the article I wrote, it produced an error message saying access was unauthorized. Can anyone explain why the same link would work for me but produce such a message for someone else?
Great article–keep it up, Antiwar.com and Justin!
andie531
August 23rd, 2011 at 1:53 pm
I have not done this "on behalf" of AWC . Most of the document (450 pages) has to do with Urban Moving Systems, Israeli nationals and 9-11. A few pages have to do with AWC. I didn't know that AWC was not aware of it. Someone else told AWC about it.
I usually post stuff in between eating, sleeping, looking for cures for folliculitis, and cleaning cat barf off the floor. It's sort of a hobby.
However, I have been accused of being a disinfo agent on Above Top Secret, which I find very funny. These documents are declassified and available to anyone.
Wasn't ATS where Jared Lee Loughner was posting stuff under the name erad3? Before he shot Gabriel Giffords? Doesn't that make ATS a potential disinfo site? Or am I just getting paranoid?
JamieN
August 23rd, 2011 at 2:01 pm
The government is the real terrorists and the Americans how break all law and the constitution every singel day.If a person has really studied 9/11 now 100 persent 9/11 was an inside job.Israel new or was involved they even said it was good for Israel; mabe not in them words but exactly what they ment.Just like the company with the van that had a painting of the planes flying into the towers before it happened and when it did they got caught on a camcorder dancing when they were hit.Then when people that were obviously involved in som way and were real terrorist goy sent back free to Israel.Then when home were no the news saying they were just there to document the event.Thats proff they new it was happening.The real criminals are in the government and Israel is the other criminals using America and there children in wars that are in therte interest.Anti war is real not MSM.
JamieN
August 23rd, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Anyway American citizens need to start fighting back and take the government or any one like the FBI to court for breaking constitutional laws every singel day.The citizens pay without you they have nothing they are wasting your tax money doing illegal things.By the way the constitution don't say anything about having to pay taxes.If the money is spent on the country and not controlled by a corrupt government giving to other corrupy governments mainly Israel then they are to better the country.America is falling apart and they are wasting there time on people that obey the law and on people that try there best to help the law be upholded.Antiwar as far as I see is probably the best site for truth and constitutioal rights that make all the preasent and many past wars illegal.Take the log out of you eye or you will never remove the dspeak in anyone elses.The Bilbe says somting very similar just this puts in to the government not a sinle person.I'm on disability got ran over by a car but will donate what I can.
liberranter
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:48 pm
And of course the Amoricon Sheeple will still be too stupid to realize that said "major terrorist attack" will be a false flag operation catered by the likes of the FBI.
liberranter
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:49 pm
There's still a disguise in place?
liberranter
August 23rd, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Jaime, you're a lucky man in that the Peruvian government, unlike this one, isn't seeking world domination.
F.A. Hayek Fan
August 23rd, 2011 at 4:13 pm
So antiwar.com is a threat to national security but the traitorous Congress-filth and Washingscum insiders outed by FBI employee (Sybil Edmonds) are not? Unbelievable.
Hey Justin, you should have a bumper sticker made that states, "I am the domestic terrorist your government warned you about." For that matter, maybe we all should.
liberranter
August 23rd, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Given the war on entrepreneurial capitalism that is raging (and escalating) in Fascialist Amerika today, I'd say that the answer to your question is "very soon."
liberranter
August 23rd, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Anyway American citizens need to start fighting back and take the government or any one like the FBI to court for breaking constitutional laws every singel [sic]day.
Sorry, but that's pipe dreaming. However well-intentioned your suggestion might be, it is akin to suggesting that an anti-Nazi German in 1944 should have urged his fellow countrymen to take their case to Roland Freisler's Volksgerichtshof to argue the illegality of SS mass murders and deportations. In other words, it's a suggestion that is both absurd and fraught with foolish danger.
One more time, people: The "Justice" system in the United Fascialist State of Amerika is a mere appendage of the same monster that wreaks such destructive havoc upon our rights and property. It is, in its final essence, A RUBBER STAMP on the criminal depredations committed by the other two "appendages" of said monster – nothing more, nothing less. The concept of "checks and balances" is AN UTTER ABSURDITY! See here for a thorough demolition of this childish elementary school civics fairy tale.
Dan Raphael
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm
What I always ask of someone who expresses a view similar to yours is: what then shall we do?
Nothing?
Jaime
August 24th, 2011 at 8:47 am
There is one more "appendage", or should I say tumor? The whores of the media.
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liberranter
August 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Unremitting passive resistance is always the most effective tool that can be employed without resorting to overt violence.
musings
August 25th, 2011 at 6:33 am
I'd have respectfully to disagree with you. Using the term "Fascialist" is interesting. But surely you understand that whether under Fascism or under State Socialism or for that matter under any highly centralized government there are pet companies which are allowed to flourish – "too big to fail" (doesn't that mean they have friends in high place and live in a mutual parasite system so that the public is forced to go to them and nowhere else, as long as they are good at keeping the government happy). I don't mean that the government stays happy on Happy Meals, but that if it's a question of being the company that get privileges others do not, being big enough to bankroll government decision-makers is key. And if you want to shut down your competition – well, it isn't always pure competition that does it, but the additional force of your politicians whom you have bought and paid for. War on entrepreneurial capitalism? How about corruption and unfair practices of competition which amount to special treatment from the government. On a very small level, notice that an ebay seller is an entrepreneur but that he may have lesser privileges in shipping his goods than does a corporation, who may have certain regulations waived. And so on up the food chain to the biggest companies, who bankroll the most politicians.
Kevin Bjornson
August 27th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Justin, you are protesting too loudly. You miss the main point. The FBI doesn't realize that you are harmless, because of the vibes you generate by your excessive praise of just about any anti-American you can quote to flagellate your favorite target. They don't realize, you are objectively a decoy.
Your flirtations with that uber-master type Haidar of Austria, the noted neo-nazi, certainly ought to raise some eyebrows among polite society. I mean, if Aryan types turn you on–complete with anti-Jewish sentiments and "Palestinian" sympathies–I say, live and let live. You are of little danger to society, besides from your confused ideas–which have the benefit of being so ridiculous as to be objectively a force for good, because you have siphoned off money that otherwise might have gone to truly nefarious purposes.
Of course the FBI is clueless. What did you expect? Ever since President Richard Nixon had
J. Edgar Hoover assassinated, the FBI has gone downhill. Somebody was passed over for promotion and became "deep throat" during Watergate. At least you are getting some information, more than what Nixon would have preferred.
As SF author and former CIA analyst "James" Tiptree pointed out, during the Eisenhower-Stevenson race, most cars in the Langley parking lot were "Stevenson" (the left-winger).
Much of the anti-communist faction of the CIA was effectively purged by then-president Carter,
in retaliation for the aborted Bay of Pigs. Fortunately Reagan revised the anti-communist element.
Yet Reagan's influence has long been diluted, starting with Bush Sr., former CIA director and president after Reagan. Increased cooperation between the CIA and FBI, post-9/11, has meant that the FBI (vulnerable after the untimely departure of Hoover) has caught the (left-wing) CIA disease.
Rockville
August 28th, 2011 at 8:54 am
So the FBI is monitoring Antiwar.com? The FBI has been monitoring law-abiding American citizens and groups since its founding. There's nothing new here.
The most ominous thing reported in the file is the FBI's interest in identifying contributors to Antiwar.com. Consider how the Federal Government has been persecuting and prosecuting contributors to Islamic charities since 9/11.
Overall the comments of the FBI analysts remind me of those of the Stasi officer in the German film "Das Leben der Anderen" (The Lives of Others). After the officer began to sympathize with the objects of his government-authorized surveillance, he reported his "findings" in obscure and misleading statements. Could Antiwar.com have found a sympathetic audience among parts of its FBI audience?
Kathleen
August 28th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Justin so support your efforts to inform the American public before the invasion of Iraq about false WMD intelligence. So support your efforts to keep us informed about the 9 time delayed Aipac espionage trial and eventually dismissed trial. Thank you for keeping us informed. Clearly a threat to someone or Israel but not a threat to US National Security
Keep it up
Kathleen
August 28th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
The Israeli lobby and Israel are threatened. Demand that Aipac register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act
it is the I lobby and the continued illegal acts of Israel that undermine US National Security
Vincent Nunes
August 30th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
http://www.r8ny.com/blog/vincent_nunes/career_sui…
Vincent Nunes
August 30th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
The problem here is that the FBI seems to be doing the bidding of a foreign government – that is TREASON.
Vincent Nunes
August 30th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Exactly.
http://www.r8ny.com/blog/vincent_nunes/israel_lob…
We must stand for something…or we'll fall for anything.
steiveb
September 10th, 2011 at 6:53 am
I imagine the FBI is under alot of pressure from certain groups and individuals in Washington to tow the Zionist line. And trying to connect Antiwar.com with 'terrorist' groups would be ideal – they're probably trying to find any financial contributions from an Islamic group of one that has Islamic members. Antiwar is a threat to the public's support for the "War on Terror" – the stiffs at the FBI only see things that far.
If any of them are reading – wake up for ^%#*'s sake. Antiwar is pro-American. Zionism is not.
We need you people to start acting like you care about the security of America. And that would mean watching the Zionist criminals that threaten the future of your great nation. Not Antiwar.com..
steiveb
September 11th, 2011 at 5:48 am
No.
I think you know the nature of the problem facing America, though.
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