The Lobby Takes the Offensive
Israel’s amen corner ratchets up the rhetoric
When the President of the United States reiterated longstanding American policy in the Middle East – that the borders of Israel and a Palestinian state must be based on the 1967 borders, give or take a few land swaps here and there – was he really “not surprised,” as he claimed in his speech to AIPAC a few days later, by the ensuing uproar? That’s what he says, but the reality is harder to discern: after all, this was the premise behind George W. Bush’s – and, before him, Bill Clinton’s – public statements on the issue, and the President had every reason to believe this time would be no different.
Yet it was indeed different, because – as I pointed out here – Israel is different, all these years later. And so is the United States. President Obama was caught flat-footed because he and his advisors failed to consider the full import of these changes.
In Israel, a right-wing government has as its relatively “moderate” element Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whose Likud-led government is backed in a coalition government by a number of extreme right-wingers who make the hawkish Likudniks look reasonable. Israel’s foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, is a thuggish radical whose racist anti-Arab diatribes have even Israel’s hard-line partisans in the US desperate to keep him in the background. Lieberman’s party, Yisrael Beiteinu, is a neo-fascist outfit which advocates the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and the creation of a “Greater Israel.” According to them, there are no Palestinians – only Jordanians who have infiltrated Israel.
In America, the power of the Israel lobby is much greater than at any time in the past, and certainly since the 1967 war. We are faced, here in this country, with the extraordinary spectacle of a US President confronting a foreign leader with a list of reasonable requests – negotiation in good faith, the abandonment of encroaching “settlements,” an end to the arbitrary humiliations endured by a people under occupation – and the leaders of the opposition are taking the side of the foreign leader. This from a party that revels in its alleged super-“patriotism”! Romney, Huckabee, and the whole Fox network team went into overdrive, following the President’s Mideast speech, flaying him for “betraying” Israel. Fox News even ran a story warning that “Jewish donors” would not back the President’s reelection campaign on account of his supposedly “new” stance.
Yet, as I am not the first to point out, there was nothing new in what the President said about the 1967 borders. That didn’t matter to Obama’s critics, however: so quick were they to pick up the latest party line from Tel Aviv that they didn’t even bother to acknowledge this, but were only concerned with echoing every jot and tittle of the Israeli position. Not since the heyday of the old Communist Party USA, when the Daily Worker was adept at not only defending but anticipating the line handed down by the Kremlin, have we seen such a phenomenon: the kowtowing before a foreign leader by American politicians.
The idea that our leaders are intent on pursuing America’s vital national interests abroad – that the formulation of our foreign policy has to do with determining what those interests are and how best to achieve them – is a myth. As is the case with domestic policy, foreign policy is a political question: that is, it’s all about the internal pressures and interests competing for primacy in the policymaking process. Nothing underscores the dynamics of this decision-making procedure quite so starkly and dramatically as the Israeli-Palestinian issue.
The US military has been particularly insistent that the question of Palestine be resolved before we can achieve our goals in the Middle East, and secure the defense of American interests more generally. That our unconditional support for Israel has cost us dearly, in terms of our prestige and “pull” in the Arab world, is undeniable. That we are fighting terrorists who use this issue to demonize the US, and provoke attacks on our interests and our citizens throughout the world, is likewise readily apparent.
Yet rather than give up this failed policy, which has led to nothing but trouble, our leaders in both political parties – including the President – have taken every opportunity to pledge themselves to an “ironclad” – as Obama put it – commitment to the survival of Israel as a Jewish state implanted in an Arab sea. And that, furthermore, this commitment is not contingent on Israeli behavior: our support is unconditional and permanent, no matter if Avigdor Lieberman comes to power and deports every Palestinian to the far side of the Jordan river.
In his “make up” speech to AIPAC, Obama once again reiterated this commitment and boasted about all the money we’re shoveling over there so Bibi can build “settlements” and keep the Palestinians in subjection. US “aid” built the wall that separates the Israeli green belt from the great prison-house of the occupied territories, and which makes permanent a land grab on a vast scale. Without that aid, both military and economic, Israel would sink like a stone beneath the demographic waves.
In short, we have the Israelis in a complete state of military and economic dependency – and yet they are calling the tune, and not Washington. What’s up with that?
What’s up is the Israelis have a singularly powerful lobby in the US, which wields such political clout that no politician can afford to cross them. We are living in a country where the chief executive must constantly look over his shoulder and worry that Congress will support the position of a foreign leader over the President of the United States. As Pat Buchanan so memorably – and correctly – put it, Congress is “Israeli-occupied territory.” And we aren’t just talking about Republican members pandering to their “born again” Christian fundamentalist constituency, but also Democrats in thrall to a wealthy and well-organized urban constituency which puts Israel first, last, and always.
In Israel, too – where, after forty years of constant warfare, voters are not interested in compromise – domestic politics dictates foreign policy. The Israeli electorate is so far to the right, these days, that a neo-fascist party and a Jewish version of Hitler have made huge gains of the sort that were once unthinkable. In its religious fervor, and millennialist hysteria, the Israeli zeitgeist has abandoned its Western and European antecedents, and become almost indistinguishable from its Arab neighbors: fundamentalism is as much a problem in Israel as it is in, say, Egypt, or Jordan. Israel, in short, has returned to its Asian-Oriental roots, and is very far from the idealistic experiment its European founders envisioned at the beginning.
The fundamentalist leaders of today’s Israel are no more interested in peace than the leadership of al-Qaeda, or Hamas. The President may cite the demographic time bomb going off at present in the occupied territories, which he says makes the current situation “unsustainable,” but Israel’s fundies have an answer to that: deportation, ethnic cleansing, and a “Greater Israel” that extends its territory to include “Samaria” (the West Bank) and lands supposedly granted to Israel in the Bible. A debate about this is precluded by the fundamentalist mindset: we’re talking about religion, here, and not anything amenable to rational discussion or negotiation. The ruling Likud party was founded on this fundamentalist premise, and a “Greater Israel” is what the party of Netanyahu represents: it is foolish to think he will abandon this goal because of American pressure.
Sprinkled with genuflections to the Israel lobby, such as his references to Iran’s nonexistent nuclear weapons program, and numerous pledges to continue and strengthen the costly symbiosis that has poisoned our relations with much of the rest of the world, Obama’s AIPAC speech was an exemplar of such craven appeasement that the sight of it must make genuine patriots cringe.
Why does the most powerful man on earth have to take Tel Aviv’s demands into account? Why is he not free to act and speak as he wills?
The reason, in short, is the pro-Israel movement in the United States, a well-organized and inordinately wealthy political machine that operates as the Israeli government’s agent in America. Here is a lobby – in effect, a fifth column in league with a foreign government – so powerful that it has become the decisive factor in determining US policy in a region of the world vital to US national interests. It has succeeded in subordinating those interests to Israeli objectives, and it has done so by creating a political apparatus in the US that politicians defy at their peril. Apologists for the Israel lobby constantly maintain that they have done nothing wrong, that their activities are carried out in full public view and in accordance with the principles of American democracy – and in this they are absolutely correct.
This is democracy in action – a well-organized and very well-funded minority, fanatically devoted to the interests of a country other than their own, has seized control of the policymaking apparatus of the US government. There is nothing inherently un-democratic about this. To the contrary: in a democracy, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and by this standard the very well-greased gears of the Israeli state – slathered, as they are, with gobs of US taxpayer dollars – stand as a monument to that operating principle.
As for the views of the American people in their majority – well, in our democracy, these views don’t get a hearing. They don’t because most Americans couldn’t care less about Israel, and, furthermore: they don’t approve of “foreign aid” – especially at a time when we’re borrowing from the Chinese just to keep the government running. They are sick and tired of hearing about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which seems as insoluble as unraveling the Gordian Knot.
Yet, this healthy indifference to the quarrels of belligerent foreigners is irrelevant, politically, because it hardly matches the passion of Israel’s partisans, who pursue Tel Aviv’s cause with single-minded ferocity.
In both speeches, the President went out of his way to denounce efforts in the United Nations to “isolate” Israel, i.e. support the declaration of an independent Palestinian state, and efforts in the occupied territories to unify the West Bank and Hamas-held Gaza. Support for Israel, he said, is encoded in our “values.” As Jennifer Laslo Mizrahi, president of The Israel Project, put it in response to the President’s performance before AIPAC: “Israel is as much a part of American values and traditions as are hot dogs, apple pie and freedom.”
This is utter nonsense, of course: support for Israel is no more a part of American tradition than is support for, say, the cause of Basque independence. Up until relatively recently, support for the Zionist project was evident among only a small minority of American Jews, never mind among the majority of Americans, and US Presidents, starting with Eisenhower and continuing on up to Bush Senior, were evenhanded in their treatment of both Israel and the Arabs, (and even, in the case of Bush I, a bit cool to Tel Aviv’s ceaseless demands).
Ronald Reagan, whose cold warrior credentials placed him firmly in Israel’s camp, disdained Tel Aviv’s advice and withdrew US forces from Lebanon, much to the anger and dismay of the neocons, who denounce him for it to this day. It was only with the advent of George W. Bush’s tenure in the White House that the “special relationship” became as “ironclad” as it is today. After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the Israeli propaganda machine made good use of the “Israel’s cause is our cause” argument, which gained new resonance beyond the Lobby’s traditional constituency.
Now that a war-weary nation is coming to its senses, however, and the shock of 9/11 has had time to wear off, the advantage enjoyed by the Israel Firsters has been dissipated over time. There is space, in the national discourse, for a view that puts American over Israeli interests, and seeks to undo the harm caused by years of kneejerk support for an oppressive and unjust occupation.
It is true that US intervention in the Middle East, and particularly in the Israel-Palestinian conflict, has only exacerbated the stand-off, and ill-served our national interests. Yet it is not enough to say that we simply shouldn’t intervene: we are, in reality, already intervening by subsidizing and arming the Israeli Sparta. The helicopter gunships that cut down Palestinian children whose only weapons are rocks and epithets have “made in USA” stamped all over them. Just as the tear-gas canisters hurled at Egyptian protesters by Mubarak’s goons had the same imprint of origin.
To say, simply, that the US should not intervene, that Washington should not be “dictating” to Tel Aviv, is to drop the entire context and reality of US policy. Unconditional American support for Israel in the form of a continuous stream of money and the most advanced weaponry has created the situation our President rightly calls “unsustainable,” and there is no walking away from our responsibility for the status quo.
I don’t blame those who take this “no intervention” line for trying to dispose of the Israeli-Palestinian question in this way. Telling the truth about the US-Israeli relationship, and pointing out its essentialy dysfunctional nature, has always been more trouble for a politician than it’s worth.
Those who raise these questions are smeared by the Israel lobby, and targeted for destruction: any politician or public official who questions the conventional Washington wisdom on these matters is pilloried in the press and excoriated by the Israeli Firsters. The sheer noise level of this smear campaign is very often enough to destroy a politician, a publication, or a reputation. Antiwar.com has been a major target of the Lobby ever since we started speaking out on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, i.e. from the get-go. We haven’t hesitated to criticize Israel, and my column in particular has taken the Israelis and their American supporters to task on numerous occasions. For that, I was purged from the Huffington Post as an invited blogger, and attacked by the neocons (and the ADL) as “anti-semitic.” Apparently the nearly all-Jewish leadership of the libertarian movement is not enough to placate these would-be Grand Inquisitors, who define “anti-Semitism” as opposition to the policies of whatever government is in power in Tel Aviv.
By this measure, most American Jews – who balk at the hardline policies of Netanyahu and his allies – are also “anti-Semites.” Go figure.
The great problem with any Empire, such as our own, is that it becomes the instrument of its own satellites. Our satraps hold us hostage, and exact tribute in the form of “foreign aid” – even as the folks back home go broke. While Social Security benefits are the target of congressional budget-cutters, aid to Israel is sacrosanct.
There’s something very wrong with this picture.
Antiwar.com has been fighting the Israel lobby since our inception, and it’s been an uphill fight – but we’re making important gains. The Lobby’s domination of American foreign policy has been challenged, in recent days, by an evolving national conversation which – for the first time in many years – puts American interests first and foremost. But we can’t continue to defy the Lobby without your help.
Israel’s amen corner in the US has access to vast financial resources, which we here at Antiwar.com can’t ever hope to match – but we can more than match the arguments of the Lobby, which are weak, based on emotionalism, and transparently amenable to the whims of a foreign government. So we don’t need to match their money – we just need to be able to raise enough to make our voices heard.
That’s where you come in. Your tax-deductible donation to Antiwar.com is a blow struck against a powerful fifth column that has distorted US policy and endangered our national security. It enables us to continue our campaign to make the formulators of American foreign policy answerable to Americans – not the Israelis, or their amen corner in this country.
For years the Israel lobby has tried to take Antiwar.com down, to no avail. Now a very bad economy, and a sharp drop-off in contributions, may succeed where the Lobby failed. Don’t let it happen. Please – help us restore the foreign policy of the Founders, who warned against the wiles of foreign lobbyists and the lures of Empire. Help us defy the smear brigade, who would only be too happy to see us go under. Make your tax-deductible donation today.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





@auditnerd
May 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Without a coherent identity that directly opposes "their" interests, nothing will change. This is why "they" push massive third world immigration, multiculturalism, diversity and the like. The weaker we are, they stronger "they" are.
skulz fontaine
May 22nd, 2011 at 9:21 pm
True true.
A grateful reader
May 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
This is a good article. It would be stronger, however, had it stated more explicitly the costs to the United States of its collaboration with Israel in oppressing the people of Palestine. These costs are not just strictly foreign "aid" (which Raimondo is fairly specific about in this article) but include threats to our life, liberty, and security. Israeli actions are the principal grievance of the Arab soldiers who have taken up arms against the United States (see, for example, the Sept. 11, 2001 bombings). These security threats in turn have provoked an expansion of the U.S. security apparatus, more draconian civil laws for American citizens, and demanded a huge allocation of human and financial resources.
Bin Laden held out an olive branch to us for many years and detailed a path to peace. I link to one of his messages to the American people here:
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-10-29/world/bin.lade…
@auditnerd
May 22nd, 2011 at 9:27 pm
"For years the Israel lobby has tried to take Antiwar.com down, to no avail."
I'd like to know more about this.
Commenter
May 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Interesting. One of the great ironies is that this interest group demands to flood the United States with tens of millions of people from all manner of countries even as it refuses to allow Palestinians to return to their homeland, preaching that *that* country is only for J-ws.
jconsley
May 22nd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
It is hard to get comments concerning taxpayer dollars to Israel posted on AntiWar.com. Comments such as "cash" U.S. tax dollars as aid is not necessary for Israel. This is the only country that receives cash from the U.S. Government. Americans are never told the benefits that Israel provides its citizens such as government provided health care, advanced educational expenses, living allowances to settle the West Bank, etc. Justin could provide more information as to how U.S. citizens provide benefits to Israelis while such benefits for Americans are labeled "more government interference" and "entitlement speinding" which should be curtailed for Americans. Even though the Comment Administrator or censor does not often allow such comments to be posted, Justin could provide more facts as to how our tax dollars are used by Israel and how much Israel receives in special treatment and loans from the U.S.
Ira7Epstein
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Kowtowing to the Israel lobby, bailouts for banksters, fat cost plus contracts to the merchants of death are all symtoms of a larger problem. That larger problem is the criminals in DC who are bleeding us all dry. These criminals, the Bernankes, Pelosies, Boehners, Clintons, and Obamas of the world are the true enemies of the American people. If these traitors were not willing to sell out the American people to advance their pathetic political careers then Netanyahu would be nothing more than political hack that heads up a crappy little aparthied state. Netanyahu and Israel are some of the symptoms. The torturers, fraudsters, thieves, childkillers, and warmongers in DC are the problem.
Oswaldwasalefty
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 pm
It is interesting just how worked up the media and the right has gotten over yet more words from an American president about settling the Israel-Palestine conflict. They always spout these platitudes, but actions speaks louder than words. Let me know when an American president comes out in favor of completely cutting off all financial and military assistance to Israel. It ain't happening, and as long our tax dollars are aiding Israel, then we're all complicit in Israel's campaign of ethnically cleansing the whole of historic Palestine. There is a good reason why the Israel lobby is so loud and shrill in denouncing any opposition to U.S. Israel policy. U.S. aid is Israel's bread and butter, and Israel's aggressive occupation of Palestinian land most likely would have been broken by now without all the help it gets from Washington.
mark
May 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 am
Good collection of observations. But Justin errs when he claims that "US Presidents, starting with Eisenhower and continuing on up to Bush Senior, were evenhanded in their treatment of both Israel and the Arabs". This is absolutely false.
US foreign aid has been flowing uninterrupted to Israel for over 40 years. Israel has always benefited by receiving more aid and better weaponry than any of its neighbors. Aid to Egypt only began to flow when they signed the Camp David "peace" treaty with Israel that left Syria and Palestine in the dark.
These consistently uneven arrangements are the product of direct Israeli interference in American governance. Zionist interference is now fully embedded in American life and our political culture. Only no one's supposed to notice. Even Justin dares not go too far.
Nixon and Rev. Billy Graham privately agonized about inordinate Jewish power in US media 40 years ago. But Nixon/Kissinger still authorized US weaponry into Israel-occupied Egypt during the 1973 war.
LBJ aided the coverup of Israel's attack on the USS liberty 45 years ago. Every President since JFK has kowtowed before Israeli "security" and "Jewish concerns". Both houses of Congress are similarly subordinate to the Israeli lobby. We live under soft occupation.
Ford and Carter were both one-term presidents in part because they didn't please AIPAC sufficiently. Reagan brought the neocon establishment into Washington and never criticized Israel except in the gentlest way. The Lobby simply has Washington by the b—-s because of their enormous wealth, media influence, and extraordinary group cohesion. This is nothing new.
sherban
May 23rd, 2011 at 5:59 am
Excellent.Raimondo lauding US democracy in the same time when he explains that US policy is done by a foreign country.This is a democracy!.About Israeli fascists incinations and about people like Avigdor Lieberman are proves that its not so only today and were unthinkable in the past.Were Albert Einstein,Hannah Arendt in the 50's who described Menahem Begin as a fascist,and Begin became prime minister in 1977.Then,Itzhak Ben Aharon,a political leader said that:"in Israel the problem is not to change the government,the problem is to change the people".This is the problem everywhere,the people is intentionally made foolish and this is the reason that democracies don't work as true democracies.
John_Muhammad
May 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 am
"Yassuh, massa Bibi, I's be fixin' dat ruckus I done cause lass week. I knows I done wrong, but I's gon' be sayin' de rite stuff dis time, I promiss. Pleeeease massa Bibi, don' be mad wif me, I's be doin' rite nex' time, yassuh."
Was this part edited out of the Obama/Netanyahu closed door session last week?
mezenc
May 23rd, 2011 at 6:53 am
And thats the official story and our elected leaders and media are fine with it. They're fine with 9/11s on the American people every day of the week rather than say "boo" to Israel.
Of course, the official story of 9/11 is nonsense and allowing nonsense to stand – not just stand but rule the world – is part of the problem.
emsnews
May 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 am
The libertarian/left split widens at Antiwar.com. Justin isn't a mere commentator here, he is an editor and a big force here. He is siding against US social services while claiming that the left is useless because we don't fight the government even more than we have in the past (trust me, we are fighting mad at this point, mad at the DEMOCRATS as well as GOP!).
The shattering of any attempt at antiwar unity of purpose is due to the libertarians siding, every time, with the worst of the worst in DC, people who are working hand in glove with the richest lobbyists on earth who happen to also support many wars because they get richer this way.
This contradictory behavior is what is so dysfunctional on the libertarian right. They can't figure out that very rich people paying little to no taxes who happen to be international bankers and industrialists are curbed only by government regulation, taxes and above all, the demand of the people for basic social services.
Poor people can't provide social services, only rich people can do this and the traditional way of making rich people do this is via taxes and a strong government. Both of which the libertarians want killed off and which predatory capitalists would love to see dead, too.
And I expect Justin to censor the few leftists who dare to dispute him here. As he censored Grady today.
Tommy J.
May 23rd, 2011 at 9:19 am
I would like to know what Justin means by vital American interests.
Is it in US interests to support and trade with authoritarian Muslim governments?
What does Justin think US policy should be toward all the countries – not just Israel – in the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia?
Sam
May 23rd, 2011 at 10:38 am
For Aipac, to thunderous applause Obama accuses Iran of “hypocrisy” for criticizing the violent crackdown on pro-democracy protests in Bahrain. Obama declared earlier in the week that the US was committed to supporting the Bahrani regime and that the crackdowns showed they simply wanted a return to the “rule of law.” Jason Ditz Antiwar.com.But Libya has to be bombed for the same sin. Something is very fishy there.
emsnews
May 23rd, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Yes, for the US to accuse anyone of 'hypocrisy' is hypocrisy indeed. We have the Rule of Law for everyone but the EU, US and Israel and for our alliance, it is 100% 'Might Makes Right' all the way. The excuse for killing bin Laden was, 'It would be too messy to arrest him or cooperate with Pakistan' so we just up and did it all totally illegally! The ramifications of this illegal act continue to gather steam as our alliance with Pakistan is collapsing and the Taliban are twice as pissed off as before and support for the US in Pakistan has fallen to single digits.
GradyWilson
May 23rd, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Sorry about deleting my comment while you were responding to it. I thought that I'd give Justin a break from criticism since its during a funding drive but after clicking on his link of "democracy" which led to neo-fascist Hans-Hermann Hoppe I regret the delete. Raimondo is showing his true colors and its not pretty.
Hoppe: " In every society, a few individuals acquire the status of an elite through talent. Due to superior achievements of wealth, wisdom, and bravery, these individuals come to possess natural authority, and their opinions and judgments enjoy wide-spread respect. Moreover, because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority are likely to be passed on within a few noble families. It is to the heads of these families with long-established records of superior achievement, farsightedness, and exemplary personal conduct that men turn to with their conflicts and complaints against each other. These leaders of the natural elite act as judges and peacemakers, often free of charge out of a sense of duty expected of a person of authority or out of concern for civil justice as a privately produced “public good."
This is what antiwar.com is about?
GradyWilson
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:08 pm
"The shattering of any attempt at antiwar unity of purpose is due to the libertarians siding, every time, with the worst of the worst in DC, people who are working hand in glove with the richest lobbyists on earth who happen to also support many wars because they get richer this way. This contradictory behavior is what is so dysfunctional on the libertarian right."
That's a very succinct and articulate analysis of libertarians. I think Libertarianism is a fraud. They are right wing capitalist/imperialists pretending to be antiwar – pretending that one can be for "free market capitalism" while being anti-imperialist. That's like claiming to be a virgin who enjoys casual sex.
Robert Brager
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:13 pm
"The shattering of any attempt at antiwar unity of purpose is due to the libertarians siding, every time, with the worst of the worst in DC, people who are working hand in glove with the richest lobbyists on earth who happen to also support many wars because they get richer this way."
Meditate for a while on your use of the words 'every time'. Really? Really? The 'worst of the worst in DC'? Really? Which of the resident libertarians at Antiwar or Antiwar's colleagues at the Mises Institute, the FFF, or the Independent Institute do that? Name names. And they do this every time? To effect what ends? What despicable nonsense.
"This contradictory behavior is what is so dysfunctional on the libertarian right. They can't figure out that very rich people paying little to no taxes who happen to be international bankers and industrialists are curbed only by government regulation, taxes and above all, the demand of the people for basic social services."
Pity you can't figure out that libertarians aren't defending the rich people currently paying little to no taxes… it's understood that those individuals benefit from the taxes imposed on other people across the income spectrum, that those individuals operate the levers of power in the government, that a wide breadth of less-politically connected wealthy individuals do pay the taxes you seem to think no wealthy person pays, that a wider breadth of less-politically connected individuals who aren't wealthy pay the remainder of those taxes and that among the purposes of libertarian activism is to obliterate both the tax obligations of the remaining wealthy and poor who share the carrying of the burden of this bloated government on their backs and the institutional supports, props, levers, subsidies, protections, and policies that protect the former politically-connected individuals from competition by the latter. Libertarians also target the institutional pillars that effect the transfer of wealth from the latter to the former. True, non-libertarians seem to spare no opportunity to decry that transfer of wealth; it just seems too many of them don't seem the least bit motivated to identify the mechanisms that effect that transfer or to do anything about it other than bitch.
"Poor people can't provide social services, only rich people can do this…"
Ridiculous on the face of it. Across the western world, the governments destroyed their competition in this arena by outlawing the practice, by and large, or permitting it only under the most narrow of responsibilities and very rarely sparing them incessant official harassment. The strong government you favor has engendered this reality.
"… the traditional way of making rich people do this is via taxes and a strong government."
Why pose as antiwar if your solution to perceived social problems amounts to nothing more than sticking guns in people's faces?
"Both of which the libertarians want killed off and which predatory capitalists would love to see dead, too."
The day you can show me a 'predatory capitalist' who doesn't personally love the idea of strong governments rigging markets in his or her favor and doesn't view such a socio-economic polity certainly as a superior state of affairs to laissez-faire, wherein his or her prospects can shift wildly at any time, I'll imagine will be the day that Jupiter collides with the Earth.
"And I expect Justin to censor the few leftists who dare to dispute him here. As he censored Grady today."
I don't know what Grady said. Outwardly, we're supposed to believe Grady deleted the comment himself, if the terminology employed is anything to go by.
avatar singh
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:53 pm
you said"Congress is “Israeli-occupied territory.” And we aren’t just talking about Republican members pandering to their “born again” Christian fundamentalist constituency, but also Democrats in thrall to a wealthy and well-organized urban constituency which puts Israel first, last, and always. "
NO SIR, WHEN THE BRITISH WHO REALLY DICTATE THE AMERICAN FOREING AND DEFENCE AND ECONOMIC PLOCIES DECIDE THAT ISRALE IS A LAIBILITY THEN THE BRITISH WILL PLOT TO CREATE THE DOWNFALL OF ISRALE.BELIVE ME! IT so happens that present policy tallies with what english bastards consider isintheir interst, otherwise lookat early 80s when alle nglish language paper and media from usa and britan were vehemnetly anti israle ebcause at that time artabs were strong and had lot of money.
The West's policy – in other words, the policy of the Anglo-Americans, as the European Union does not have a policy worth citing – toward the Middle East has long been formulated by Bernard Lewis. The British-born Lewis started his career as an intelligence officer and has remained in bed with British intelligence ever since. Avowedly anti-Russia and pro-Israel, Lewis reaped a rich harvest among US academia and policymakers. He brought president Jimmy Carter's virulently anti-Russian National Security Council chief, Zbigniew Brzezinski, into his fold in the 1980s, and made the US neo-conservatives, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, dance to his tune on the Middle East in 2001. In between, he penned dozens of books and was taken seriously by people as a historian. But, in fact, Lewis is what he always was: a British intelligence officer. . . .
The recent developments in Uzbekistan have all the hallmarks of the same process. This time the objective is to weaken China, Russia, and possibly India, using the HT to unleash the dogs of war in Central Asia. It is not difficult for those on the ground to see what is happening. The leader of the Islamic Party of Tajikistan, Deputy Prime Minister Hoji Akbar Turajonzoda, has identified HT as a Western-sponsored bogeyman for "remaking Central Asia". . . .
It is not a lack of understanding on the part of American neo-conservatives associated with the Bush administration, but their keenness to use the "Lewis Doctrine" to achieve what they believe is justified that promises untold danger. How important a brains-trust is Lewis to the neo-conservatives? Just read the words of Richard Perle, a leading neo-conservative who remains a close adviser to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: "Bernard Lewis has been the single-most important intellectual influence countering the conventional wisdom on managing the conflict between radical Islam and the West."
So — we end by coming back round again to Richard Perle, but hopefully in a larger context.
It ain't really about the Middle East, boys and girls — it's about world domination, by any means necessary. The only question is one of identifying the moves as they happen, instead of many years later."".
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As America teetered on the brink of entering World War II, Charles A. Lindbergh gave a fateful speech that did more damage to the America First movement for peace than all the propagandistic efforts of the pro-war groups he named in Des Moines that day. In his oration, the great aviator and American hero sought to define who and what had brought us to the point of no return:
"The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish, and the Roosevelt administration.
"Behind these groups, but of lesser importance, are a number of capitalists, Anglophiles, and intellectuals who believe that the future of mankind depends upon the domination of the British empire. Add to these the Communistic groups who were opposed to intervention until a few weeks ago, and I believe I have named the major war agitators in this country."
avatar singh
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:56 pm
so what have you been doing so far in the middle east if n ot destroying the democratic apsirations of people and isntalling authoritarian muslim govt of saudi arabi, bahrain, kuwait/ such a model of freedoma nd democracy!
england and america have given such a bad name to democracy that it now stands for pimp for coorrupt evil stealing ,liar shopkeprs and pirates.
avatar signh
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:00 pm
you are an immigrant from a thrid rate country called england which was a thrid or fourth rate country when so called pilgrims caqme over . you arfe immigrant fas pauper compared to the recent immigrants from thrid world who arfe much better qualified and coem from much superior socail calss and culture than you r types in usa.and england.
you anglos were the scumbags of the europe when your ancestrod emigrated.to usa.which is not your country .
avatar singh
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:04 pm
"Arab soldiers who have taken up arms against the United States (see, for example, the Sept. 11, 2001 bombings)."
NO no, even those terroris say that they did that atrocity to teach usa in lesson for staying too much in saudi arabi and the muslims holy land aftger the usa got excuse to enter saudi arabia in first gulf war.
have you ever seen usa willinglu leave if given a samll chaqnce to infiltrate another country/?
donto confuse your amnericanand anglos crime with that of israle -they are two diufferent things /
Duglarri
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:43 pm
<a well-funded minority has seized control of the policymaking apparatus of the US government. There is nothing inherently un-democratic about this>
Justin, yes there is, and you have put your finger on it. Why is this situation new, as you also point out? Because the conditions in American politics that allow a minority with money to take control are also new. The two go together. In Truman's time, you couldn't buy a President. You couldn't own the Senate through PAC money. Now you can.
This isn't even democratic among Jews. The rich Jews vastly overpower the majority of Jews who increasingly have great reservations about what's going on in Israel. But their voices are distant due to the power of a few dozen billionaires' money.
There is not one other advanced industrialized country that has this problem with political money. Look at us here in Canada. Maximum spending on a campaign by individual members of parliament? Less than $50,000. Limit set by law.
There is no lobby here in spite of precisely the same ethic mix and the same presence of very successful, hard-right billionaires. They have influence beyond their numbers but they are just not in the same position they are in the US for lack of that lever of money.
Nothing undemocratic- I beg to differ. There is one single reason why you don't have a democracy any more. I'd say you, Justin, would get more votes in an open, publicly financed contest for the US presidency than any of the current candidates from the Republican side- except of course Ron Paul, who would just win- if not for the lack of any limit on spending.
This is no democracy, not any more. If you want to end the power of the lobby- for that matter, the power of all the lobbies- fix campaign finance. Return to the numbers the founding fathers spent. How about that: a $500.00 limit on Presidential campaigns? Then you would really get back your democracy.
And the power of the lobby would be broken.
David Grayling
May 23rd, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Justin, that was quite an article! The enemy within America is powerful indeed! And ruthless.
America and Israel, in coalition, will bring about the end of our world in a nuclear holocaust. Nothing is surer. They are both sick countries, both filled with religious fanaticism and extreme nationalism.
The beacon on the hill will be a nuclear firestorm!
musings
May 23rd, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Is it necessary to run down one group in order to ram your group into the country? If it is, then watch out. I don't think my Anglo forebears were perfect, but they were one tough bunch of sons of bitches. Philistines? Perhaps. But I see you envision them as Palestinians. That is not a wise position to take.
rick
May 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Not really sure how an anarchist (as Hoppe is) can be a "neo-fascist." All Hoppe is talking about here is how a natural elite can arise in a stateless society. Anyhow, democracy is nothing more than mob-rule writ large.
rick
May 23rd, 2011 at 10:32 pm
I've seen your snarky comments on many articles. You don't seem to understand the difference between free-market capitialism, which is nothing more than people peacefully trading with one another, (and something we've NEVER had), and corporatism/state capitalism, which is fascism. Imperialism is enabled by the corporatist state.
Ira7Epstein
May 24th, 2011 at 12:33 am
Excellent point by point smack down of GradyWilson.
What to say Now!!!
May 24th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Well, that is the flaw in your logic. Lots of man/woman hours are put into this website. Lots of votes against intervention are taken by real libertarians. Rep Paul is in office. Your allowed to believe in any thing: Scientology and the cult of the criminal science fiction writer is an example; that is America. Mr Obama does vote consistently for intervention, if we insist on being stuck in the right-left-divide that is a fraud. LBJ was Mr Vietnam intervention. Peace.
musings
May 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Without prejudice and from the standpoint of logic, it makes no sense and may even be detrimental to all parties, to stand and applaud for every punchline of Netanyahu's. I've seen better performances at the Met with less enthusiasm in the audience.
If he were selling something in a shopping mall and came out with a spiel like this one, wouldn't a prudent person start to ask a few questions ("Can it really dice cooked potatoes the same as raw ones?") ?
Because take a look at this little design flaw in his argument: He claims that Israel must never go back to insecure borders, and that Israelis only had a nine mile strip to pass through between these occupied territories. "Only." And what size of a strip would satisfy the need for security? Cleverly, he does not say, and the crowd goes wild. I hate to see my Congress act like that. Would they (did they?) do so when Margaret Thatcher had her knickers in a twist about Ireland? Can we roll the tape on that? Because I think her excessive desire for security actually got in the way of settling things.
And also – note that Israelis themselves are not as right wing as Netanyahu's bestest buddies. So does that mean our whole Congress is more Likudnik than the Likudnik's? If that is true, he must have something on each and every one of them to make them stand on command. It sounds like some kind of blood libel on my part, but I am not saying this from prejudice, only from a deepening skepticism about my own country's ability to govern itself. I'm afraid we're quite ripe and senile these days. Maybe like the guys in the Manchurian Candidate, they all think they're at a garden party, applauding the lovely hydrangeas?
musings
May 24th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
P.S. It was like a State of the Union message in which every member of the President's party stands and applauds. But the unanimity here was the remarkable thing, as though one would be tarred and feathered if one sat through it.
mhstahl
May 24th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Rick…you might want to read Hoppe carefully before you defend him, just saying. Grady's quote is mild, very mild. And I agree with you about democracy.
LLlongview
May 28th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
AIPAC isn't just a powerful lobby. It is the agent of a foreign government. It has helped pass classified documents through Israel's spies on to Israel. It has – through hook and crook – managed to evade having to register as such.
GoodEnemy
June 17th, 2011 at 7:15 am
The main Zionist claim is that they have a supreme right to some of Palestinian territory because they lived there thousands of years ago. Let’s examine the core and real nature of this claim.
Firstly, this claim is mistaken and selfish in its core concept because Zionists fail to recognize that history is a continuum and that there were other people living in majority in Palestine before the Jews and also after the Jews. Zionists simply cut history at a convenient point for them and claim ancestral ties to the land as of that convenient point.
Secondly, whatever the claim, it is beyond absurd to try to shape modern world based on thousands of years old maps. Imagine if the rest of the world would be reshaped by who was on the land thousands of years ago. It would cause horrific wars, countless refugees, and unimaginable human suffering, exactly what is happening in Palestine.
Thirdly and most disturbing, Zionist goal was to establish a Jewish state wherever possible. Palestine may have been a preference, but Palestine was not the only location that Zionists planned as their state in modern times. Another location was Argentina where Jews have been migrating for hundreds of years for the purpose of establishing a state. Also, locations in Europe were on the list and that’s why the Catholic Church was killing/expelling Jews since Roman times (read the history of the Holly Inquisition). Whatever the location, Zionist plan was to simply occupy the people living on the land even if that would mean imposing a regime worst than Nazi Germany’s from which they escaped. And Zionists would just use a different ideological coloring than the one used in Palestine in the attempt to rationalize the occupation.
In conclusion, the main claim on which the Zionist regime is built in Palestine is erroneous, selfish, and a lie. I am categorically against generalizing, and recognize that many Jews are against the crimes the Zionist regime is committing and that many Jews are leading the global resistance to it. They should be proud.