Liberals March to War
“Humanitarian” interventionists salute their commander-in-chief
Well, that didn’t take long.
Now that President Barack Obama has intervened in Libya, his army of apologists is mobilizing to defend his “humanitarianism,” declaring that his war isn’t at all like Bush’s wars. It’s something new, and different – and admirable.
I’m not at all surprised. Are you? The anti-interventionist veneer of most American liberals and assorted “progressives” peels off quite readily when a little “humanitarian” lotion is applied – especially if it’s poured on thick by a liberal Democratic President with a domestic agenda they can endorse.
Mother Jones magazine, to cite one exemplar of this chameleon-like transformation, is no stranger to cheerleading the dark side of Obama’s presidency. You’ll recall that the magazine launched a scurrilous attack on Julian Assange, in which the author compiled a lot of quotes from self-described “experts” to the effect that WikiLeaks suffers from a lack of “transparency” – to the US government, no less! – and, alternatively, is a CIA “front.” That didn’t sit too well with their readers, as a look at the comments appended to that article attests, but a shill for power’s gotta do what a shill is born to do, and that is “spin” every event to make the team –Team Obama, in this case – look good. And certainly David Corn is up to the task.
“A ghost hung over President Barack Obama,” writes Corn, “as he stood at a podium in the East Room of the White House on Friday afternoon to talk about Libya: the ghost of George W. Bush.”
Well, not really: that was the ghost of Woodrow Wilson. Bush, I would remind Corn, isn’t dead yet. But such details don’t bother a progressive on his way into battle. The latest US attack on a Muslim country in the Middle East may seem very similar to Bush’s wars – “absent references to WMD” – what with the rhetoric (He’s killing his own people! He’s a tyrant! He’s a terrorist!) and the stern Bushian mien. But that just shows how much you know ….
Because, you see, according to Corn, the President “in the second half of his remarks departed from the Bush-like script.” He then cites a single sentence in which the President refers to the “international coalition” arrayed against Gadhafi – one smaller than Bush’s, by the way – and includes some reassuring phrases about how, this time, we’re “shaping the conditions for the international community to act together.”
There – feel better now? Take two bromides that Bush himself could – and did – utter, and call me in the morning.
Here is Corn’s translation of this vague happy-talk:
“That is, we’re not cowboys. This will be, Obama suggested, true multilateralism—one including Arab nations. His administration and the governments of France and Britain had quickly guided a forceful resolution through the Security Council (with China and Russia abstaining), and the United States, Obama noted, would be ‘enabling our European allies and Arab partners to effectively enforce a no-fly zone.’ US leadership, yet European and Arab action. He added, ‘The United States is not going to deploy ground troops into Libya.’”
“Noting that ‘our British and French allies, and members of the Arab League’ will take a lead role in enforcing the resolution, Obama declared, ‘This is precisely how the international community should work, as more nations bear both the responsibility and the cost of enforcing international law.’ That is precisely the opposite of how the neocons of the Bush-Cheney crowd viewed the world. They were not interested in tying their strategic desires to international law or in developing a global order in which the United States would not be the top-dog decider and enforcer.”
We’re not cowboys: we’re social workers, the kind with mean, pinched faces and a moralizing, condescending air – armed with fighter jets, guided missiles, and nuclear weapons, and determined to Do Good.
Now that the United States has bankrupted itself by spending more on “defense” than the rest of the world combined, the “multilateralists” take up the task of convincing the American people they’ve got to pursue the dream of empire to the very end. Oh no, they say, we’re good “liberals,” we don’t dream of empire – only of “international law” and a “global order.” Top dog? Not us! We’ll leave that onerous job to the UN Security Council.
Yes, and you’ll note the Obama-ites went to the Council, not the Congress, to ask permission to strike: and just to show we’re not the Top Dog, they let the Brits and the Frenchies take the lead. What generosity.
The “argument” presented here is the one progressives have salved their perpetually guilty consciences with ever since this manifestly unqualified ex-“community organizer” took up residence in the White House: he’s not Bush! That’s why they remained silent when he extended our perpetual “war on terrorism” into Pakistan, why they kept mum as the PATRIOT Act was reauthorized at the behest of the administration, and why they put the covers over their heads and stuck their fingers in their ears as George Bush’s torture regime continued, unabated and even expanded, under Obama. It’s why they ignored our failure to withdraw from Iraq, as promised by candidate Obama, and why they smiled politely and changed the subject whenever anyone had the poor taste to mention these unpleasant subjects.
Corn supplements the Not Bush argument with a new variation, an ideological rationale for knee-jerk defenders of the Obama regime: the we’re-not-neocons meme. Obama’s war in Libya is an example of what Corn actually dubs “the Anti-Bush Doctrine,” which is “precisely the opposite of how the neocons of the Bush-Cheney crowd viewed the world.”
The Anti-Bush Doctrine – and let’s call it that, because it reflects the partisan nonsense that passes for informed debate in Washington and in the San Francisco offices of Mother Jones – is merely the Bush Doctrine turned inside out, and left side up.
Mandated with a “responsibility to protect,” our self-appointed World Saviors and Bearers of Good Governance in the Obama White House are pledged to police the world in a multi-cultural and politically correct manner, kind of like the Federation on Star Trek, minus that bothersome Prime Directive they hobbled Captain Kirk with. Think of the vision of futurity in Things to Come, that fictional rendition of a parlor pink’s wet dream, where the Airmen take control after a world war, and patrol the earth disabling petty warlords and ragged barbarians with “peace gas.”
This very same “peace gas” is now being emitted by the likes of Corn and Mother Jones, in defense of the Big O’s very own war of “liberation.” This is the same crowd that cheered the Clintons’ war in the Balkans, where American fighter jets bombed some of the oldest cities in Europe at 20,000 ft. The Kosovo of organ-harvester Hashim Thaci, a state run by outright gangsters, is their monument. The gods only know what they’ll do to Libya. By the time they get through with the place, every Libyan will have guaranteed state-run healthcare – and a family member dead or missing.
Consider our Libyan war as a Keynesian exercise in “stimulus” spending: liberals who might otherwise object can take solace in the fact that Operation “Odyssey Dawn” has so far cost us the equivalent of the Republicans’ entire proposed budget cut. Every missile we send sailing into Gadhafi’s bunker costs anywhere from $600,000 to over a million. And by going to war with Libya we won’t just be selfishly stimulating our own economy, we’ll also be helping the Libyans even as we unleash destruction from the skies – at least, that’s the sort of Bizarro-logic employed by champions of the “broken window” fallacy, such as Paul Krugman.
As to the name given this operation by the Psyops department over at the Pentagon, “Odyssey Dawn,” it sounds like a women’s perfume, which brings to mind the true authors of this war, the three Amazons of the State Department: Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, and Samantha Power. These busy gals are the real powers-behind-the-throne, who reportedly nagged Obama until he reluctantly agreed to intervene. It’s what you might call an ultra-feminist foreign policy: we’re taking the whole world to America’s maternal breast. With these Amazons at the helm – acting in concert with its European allies, and whichever Third World despots know what’s good for them – the US will act on its “responsibility to protect” – what? Whom? Whatever victim group can be sufficiently valorized to play the lead in a familiar narrative, one that always ends with sending in the Marines.
It just so happens Libya is an oil-rich prize, with the eastern part of the country – now detached from the rest by the “no fly, no go” zone –especially favored. It also just so happens to be the energy-hungry Brits and the equally voracious French who are taking the lead – at Obama’s insistence – in the allied war effort. You’d have to be one of those dreaded “conspiracy theorists” to think there’s some connection between oil and this war, in which case Cass Sunstein – Samantha’s hubby – would like to give you a good talking-to.
“The United States will join in a multilateral fight for democracy and humanitarian aims when it is in the nation’s interest and when the locals are involved and desire US participation.” This is Corn’s reading of the Anti-Bush Doctrine: yet, how, exactly, is this any different that its alleged antipode? Going into Iraq, Bush, too, boasted of the number of his alleged allies, the famous “coalition of the willing.” But so what: is a gang rape better than a one-on-one deal? Not in my book.
Bush, too, assured us “the locals” would be supportive: remember how we were supposed to be greeted as “liberators,” and showered with rose petals? Except it didn’t quite work out that way.
As for the “humanitarian” nature of this intervention, I have my doubts. Obama’s rationale for military action is that
“Left unchecked, we have every reason to believe that Qaddafi would commit atrocities against his people. Many thousands could die. A humanitarian crisis would ensue. The entire region could be destabilized, endangering many of our allies and partners. The calls of the Libyan people for help would go unanswered. The democratic values that we stand for would be overrun. Moreover, the words of the international community would be rendered hollow.”
The emphasis is mine, and it illustrates just how completely enslaved to the Bush Doctrine the current administration really is. For the essence of the Bush Doctrine was and is the principle of preemption: for the first time, the United States was saying to the world that it would not only respond to actual threats but to any potential threat anywhere in the world. The Obama Doctrine takes this one step further, and says that we have a responsibility to protect not only our own alleged interests, but also the interests of peoples vulnerable to potential violence directed at them by their own governments. Bush told us Saddam was “killing his own people,” and now Obama is telling us Gadhafi could possibly kill “many thousands” of Libyans.
Emblematic of the liberal collapse before the onslaught of the Obama cult is Juan Cole, whose pathetic performance on Scott Horton’s radio program, defending the intervention, is an embarrassment he will not soon live down.
Cole’s “argument” boiled down to a catchphrase that surely has been uttered by every warmongering neocon who ever walked the earth: pressed by Scott to justify his stance in support of the ‘no fly” zone, he declared “I’m not an isolationist!” The ‘i’-word is what every interventionist drags out when cornered: it is a meaningless, content-less coined word, what Ayn Rand would call an anti-concept – like “extremist” – which is meant to end the discussion rather than enable it.
It’s downhill from there: “What’s to stop [Gadhafi] from making a move on Tunisia?” he asks. This is precisely the same argument Bush posed to Iraq war opponents: Saddam, we were told, was a threat to his neighbors – although it seems the Libyan despot has his hands full just keeping control of his own country. Professor Cole then goes on to aver, like any neocon circa 2003, that our chosen Enemy of the Moment is “a terrorist,” and “an element of instability in the region,” one who, left in power, will “go on to play a sinister role.”
This last point is curiously circular, because if we hadn’t intervened then presumably Gadhafi wouldn’t play such a sinister role – indeed, he would have played the same role he played when Tony Blair went to visit him, and the two signed a security agreement. The role he played ever since he came in from the cold, made his peace with the US and its European allies, and donated a lot of money to the London School of Economics and (so I hear) the election campaign of Nicolas Sarkozy.
The capitulation of the “liberals” to the War Party comes as no surprise: we saw this during the Clinton years, and we’re seeing it again. This time around, however, the War Party is even stronger. Although Corn is eager to persuade the readership of Mother Jones that the administration has not been taken over by the neocons, the truth is that the “humanitarians” are in bed with the neocons on this one, just as they were in the run up to the Kosovo war. Back in the 1990s, the neocons lent their names to innumerable “open letters” urging Bill Clinton to strike at the Serbs, with prominent progressives such as Susan Sontag leading the charge. George Soros financed a “grassroots” pro-war campaign, and the neocons were more than happy to jump on board the bandwagon – just as they are today.
Pushed into war by a coven of relentlessly nagging neo-liberal Amazons, and a cabal of round-shouldered flabby-faced neocons, President Obama has been captured by ideologues just as surely as was his predecessor – and, I’ll predict right here and now, with equally disastrous results.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
I have an article you may find interesting in the current issue of The American Conservative – a piece making the libertarian case against gay marriage. I’m proud to say it’s my most politically incorrect article to date. I don’t think it’s online, at least not yet, but you can subscribe and read it online by going here.
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Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





epppie
March 22nd, 2011 at 9:18 pm
I just want to say, I've mentioned over and over again that Juan Cole is fundamentally an apologist for this administration and for its wars. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has seen this and mentioned it to you. Please, please NEVER publish his work here again.
epppie
March 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Re. gay marriage: I assume your argument is that the government shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all. If so, then well done. If your argument is against gay marriage in particular then I can only say that it doesn't surprise me from a red-baiting truth denier.
Peaceful_Idiot
March 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
What will they call the US military base that somehow ends up [back] in Libya? Camp Bondsteel, Jr? How about New Wheeler Air Base? "Stability" of Libya's resources, profits for the complex, and yet another enduring Temple of Mars. What more could a bankrupt imperial militant ask for?
Johnny in Wi.
March 22nd, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Teddy Rooosevelt, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, Obama and the battleaxe brigade Hillary Clinton, Madeline Albright, and Susan Rice, the liberals are the worst war mongers ever. They want endless war on the world to improve the lives of the world's peoples. Just like they want endless intervention in this country to shove their crackpot ideas down everone's throats. They just know better than anyone else. If this country has any future it is going to have to come from the libertarian and paleo-conservative right. Limited constitutional government is the only hope for the future.
Jan Burton
March 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 pm
I don't think the US has any business in this war, but I found it rather revealing that Justin didn't ONCE mention that on the ground in Libya a revolution was about to be destroyed!
Whether or not you're in favour of saving the losing side in a civil war from an impending massacre, I think that detail needs to be mentioned, no?
If anyone should be stepping into this war it's the Arab nations (especially Egypt), NOT the US. But I have to say, this article was totally lacking in CONTEXT.
Jan Burton
March 22nd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Look, the problem for so many Liberals is this:
On the one hand they want the revolutions in the Arab world to succeed in overthrowing their dictators; on the other hand they have a dislike of western military interventions in the Muslim world.
So what does a good Liberal do when a revolution is about to be brutally destroyed by a madman and the ONLY thing that can save it is for the west to drop some bombs?
It's the mother of all moral dilemmas and a no-win situation no matter which way you turn.
Another Rwanda…or another Kosovo?
dink
March 22nd, 2011 at 11:51 pm
I am damn mad. It was hard to just get the proposed cuts to the budget. In one step, leaving out the Congress of the United States, all that hard work was wasted firing missiles at Libya. These nuts will keep spending and spending this nation into the ground. How many states are broke already? They busted the Unions because in non-prosperous times the public workers could not be afforded. There is no left or right in reality. There are those in office, those that want to bilk from those in office to spend money, and then the rest of us watching all the destruction. Another sad day Shame on the Obama apologists.
Montaigne
March 23rd, 2011 at 1:57 am
It might bring things to a better state, if the USA after WW2 had taken the lesson home from Nürnberg, which they used to punish germans: That IT IS ILLEGAL TO OBEY ILLEGAL ORDERS. To enforce that as a governing principle, you need to ensure, that orders are given DOCUMENTED, and are EXAMINATED and illegalities ENFORCED by som power outside of the administration and the president. Yes a change to your already more or less worthless constitution. The president being grabbed and punished notwithstanding what he says or tries.
Odf course that would change many obscure things being carried out by dubious types. In fact they might run out of jobs, and use of government money become openly discussed. – Which is the ideal of democracy, not of fascism – so it will become next to impossible to enforce it easily – but in the process people would have to determine that they prefer fascism to democracy. In fact it is easy to see for anybody that oaths and wearings on the Bible is completely WORTHLESS to the purpose of enstrangling criminal types, that are so easily and handily PRODUCED BY USA.
My own view of that problem tends to prefer smaller societies, instead of empires. They are too big and diverse to handle by tradition and social mores. So fakers or stars are put into the presidency, whereas I doubt anybody remembers the name of the present leader of Switzerland, or any previous ones. Those of Andorra?
Small countries can live in peace for centuries and thrive and become excellent. They do not need spin to control masses of people! And that sociall illness will end the world at some time, it will never become stable, since it is BORN of irrealism and supports it, and BLOCKS real problem handling.
In fact the reality stares everybody in their eyes. They just need to act responsibly and determinedly. By the right principles, not from tradition or comfort.
andy
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:22 am
Scratch the surface of Liberals, there's a beast underneath.
People are saying it looks like it's heading for a stalemate, but all Gadaffi has to do to claim victory is survive, and all that will have been achieved is that we've destroyed Gadaffi's "air capabilities", which he didn't really need to crush the uprising anyway, he's got tanks and other weapons which he can use to quell/repel the uprising.
As scott says in his interview with judas goat Juan Cole, are we going to install a "no tank zone" ? or a "no rifle zone" ? where does it stop ? nobody seems to know, supposedly our involvement is purely to "protect civilians", if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
I think Michael Scheuer is right, this could be the quickest we've ever lost a war.
dink
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:04 am
Mr Raimondo, when you where on Fox Business television saying "Obama isn't dumb enough to get into Libya" (I am paraphrasing). I thought OMG, you write so well, I really hope this is true, and I don't like seeing you wrong. Lets now see if it will be East and West Libya as you predicted
Egbert
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:50 am
So Karl Rove is a Liberal? Strange world you live in, Mr. Raimondo
pete I
March 23rd, 2011 at 4:01 am
MSNBC's Maddow had a whole segment about how this was not Bush and that Obama was doing it different and that canidate Obama was actually doing what he said he would do(?) and that was good. – At least I think that was her point. Then Mr. Ed (Shultz) the talking pig said he supported Obama because Ghadaffi was a terrorist and a bad guy for Pan Am 103.
I guess its no big deal since they are now in 3rd place in cable news and the ratings are terribleno body really but the liberals marching to war are watching.
John V. Walsh
March 23rd, 2011 at 4:25 am
Great column.
But the time is past for words.
We must begin a movement to Impeach Barack Obama – NOW.
A coalition of Tea Partiers loyal to the Constitution and antiwar liberals embarrassed by their double standards might be enough to get this ball rolling. Once one president is finally impeached for an illegal war of Empire, we will be on our way.
Carpenter
March 23rd, 2011 at 4:26 am
Actually this once I am glad that Washington went to war in the Middle East.
I know Obama does it to cash in on the popularity of the democratic movements. I know the Washington cabal has been propping up Arab dictators for decades so they'll make nice with Israel. The Washingtonians get no kudos from me. But it is still good if Qaddafi doesn't get to run Libya any longer. He is insane (listen to his incoherent speeches), and he is not good for the country. The rebels will do a better job – anyone would.
Plus, Qaddafi is anti-al-Qaeda. I fully support those groups who oppose the Palestinian genocide and the dictators that make peace with Israel. With Qaddafi gone, the "Islamists" (a Middle Eastern resistance that expresses itself through religion) will be able to speak freely in Libya, and cooperate with Islamists elsewhere. Much like the case will be now in Egypt and Tunisia.
Qaddafi used to be anti-Israel, but in 2003 he bought some nuclear garbage on the black market and handed it over to Bush, declaring that "Libya is abandoning its nuclear program". Bush got a propaganda victory and sanctions against Libya were lifted. If it wasn't clear earlier, it was clear then that Qaddafi is an enemy of Arab interests. Now he is blaming the rebellion on al-Qaeda drugging the population. The Arab world doesn't need these anti-Islamists who will never bring change and free Arabia from the Israeli lobby's influence.
Montaigne
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:08 am
I think you should publish them. Just be skeptical, of course. But that way of thinking in good guys, bad boys, are exactly one of the rotten tricks from politicians.
GradyWilson
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:12 am
So where are the antiwar Tea Partiers that Justin campaigned so strongly for? We all know Democrats are warmongers – this is not news – but it is Justin Raimondo who should answer for his lies about the Tea Party being antiwar. Maybe he, like the Tea Party, is just a fraud?
Nice Scott Walker advert on antiwar.com. Shows your true colors.
Montaigne
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:15 am
I should like to add, that if those principles were in order, nobody would pull the trigger on drones killing unknown people. And no one would dare to demand it either. Because the system MUST be shaped to hinder such illegalities. You have no business of killing people in *Pakistan without due process, for example. It would have a more certain effect in administrattive circles of many people – ouside oval room meetings. But still the insane and obscene production og weapons for illegal warfare, could never exist, and should not either.
pete I
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:18 am
Actually thats a Newsmax add. Hey if it takes $100,000 every quarter to run this place then take advertising revenue anywhere you can get it. I guess ;)
Sam
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:18 am
Me thinks America is addicted to oil ,war and control. Neoliberals on the left and neoconservatives on the right share the same imperialistic ideology and are prompt to provide the intellectual cover to start new conflicts.The real problem is the disproportionate war economy.
Montaigne
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:19 am
It would be nice if those baabling supporters about "this happened before without impeachment" should ALSO be prosecuted. As knowing and willing abiders to continuing illegalities. Abuse of public position. Aiding terrorism. All the stuff they use against others.
robt
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:21 am
These crypto-Marxist neoconservatives are forgetting the fundamental argument of their doctrine of dialectical materialism: if there is change to happen in an entity, the change comes from internal conflict, not imposed from without.
liberal
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:29 am
Heh.
liberal
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:31 am
"Teddy Rooosevelt, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, Obama and the battleaxe brigade Hillary Clinton, Madeline Albright, and Susan Rice, the liberals are the worst war mongers ever."
Wilson was certainly no liberal. He segregated the federal bureaucracy. Kennedy was no liberal either. FDR, Johnson, yes. Clinton and Obama are centrists.
liberal
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:32 am
A real liberal like myself believes that, for all their other faults (like the slavery issue), the Founders were correct in their concerns about executives' propensities to get their nations unnecessarily involved in wars.
GradyWilson
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:36 am
Its rather revealing though that Newsmax spends money at ANTIWAR.COM isn't it? They obviously feel that ads promoting warmongering Tea Partiers (like Walker, Palin, Bachmann, etc.) is money well spent. Could it be that antiwar.com is the real fraud in this debate? Democrats are rather obviously warmongers. It didn't start with Obama. We all know this. Its Raimondo who is the pathetic fraud – pretending that the Tea Party Republicans are antiwar full well knowing they are warmongers with a fascist domestic agenda which he rather obviously supports. Raimondo is the fraud. Its not Obama who pretends to be antiwar – its Raimondo and his Republican Tea Party.
Bodkin
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:55 am
The new doctrine advanced by Samantha Power called "Responsibility to Protect" (abbreviated R2P) is the left-wing version of interventionist neoconservative ideology. Where the right intervenes ostensibly to promote democracy, the left intervenes ostensibly to protect civilians. Both sound principled in theory, but in practice the results are quite costly and bloody, and are likely to have all sorts of unintended consequences.
In the same way that money burns a hole in some people's pockets, commanding the world's most powerful military appears to have an intoxicating effect on political elites. With such power at their disposal, it's no wonder they can't resist the temptation to put it to use. The very fact they possess such power probably stimulates interventionist theorizing. It's unlikely that R2P would have been hatched by elites in Leichtenstein, for example.
GradyWilson
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:59 am
"President Obama has been captured by ideologues just as surely as was his predecessor – and, I’ll predict right here and now, with equally disastrous results." – Raimondo
Re-election, praise and adulation are disastrous results? Presidents are rewarded for capitalist warmongering. Pay attention. Try to get the basics right. Of course your real MO is to attack the left and defend the right rather than comment on war isn't it?
Bodkin
March 23rd, 2011 at 6:00 am
R2P might have saved lives in Rwanda, the memory of which is what haunts advocates for intervention in Libya. But a Libyan civil war is a very different animal. R2P will achieve fusion with neoconservatism when a stalemate in Libya compels Obama to commit ground troops, after which things might start resembling Iraq or Afghanistan, and talk of democracy-promotion will be in the air. And who will democracy bring to power in Libya? Consider who it brought to power in the Gaza Strip. Did that have a stabilizing effect on the region?
This has the makings of a true disaster. On a positive note, anything that makes Samantha Power (and Susan Rice) look like villains isn't entirely bad. After all, Power is the one who wants to impose a "mammoth protection force" in Israel/Palestine, which would be a catastrophe of epic proportions for ALL concerned. The sooner her ideas are thoroughly discredited, the better.
jojo
March 23rd, 2011 at 6:09 am
Jan,how forgetfull you are– try starting a revolt in Washington and see what happenings to your butt. -Last week a few brave senior citizens wanted to protest Private Manning's lock-up and abusive treatment–they got busted.
Never forget–DuffyDuck accepted the offer of 50,000 hired thugs from an Israel company–that's when it got ugly and massive killings.
By the way, why are Israel jets pounding the cr@p out of Palestine and no fly zones proposed–Daaaah?
robt
March 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 am
If gay sex is a parody of sex, then gay marriage as a parody of marriage is a natural progression. What it has to do with the government is beyond me. Anyway, underground is fun, mainstream is boring, ideologues are tedious and any time the government gets involved in anything it's usually all over.
jojo
March 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 am
USA surrounds Iran maps–WWII has started http://theintelhub.com/2011/03/22/a-view-of-the-n…
There should be letters sent to all Senators and Congress hacks regarding this empire issue and sent/replies posted on anti-war. No good wasting time on the keyboards and preaching to the choir boys. Get cracking.
Read this; http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2011/03/bravo-an…
Note: during Sept.11/2001 attacks same company had security contracts at both airports
freemansfarm
March 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 am
Great post. One quibble. You say:
"By the time they get through with the place, every Libyan will have guaranteed state-run healthcare – and a family member dead or missing."
No problem with the second part of that. But, in the first part, you are letting your domestic policy concerns cloud your judgement. Libya ALREADY pretty much has state-run healthcare. And, whatever government the US and its buddies eventually installs will, no doubt, make it one of its top priorities to "privatize" that system, along with the all the other social welfare benefits that make Libya, for the actual people who live there (until now), one of the better places in Africa. Just as the in Iraq, which probably has the best package of social welfare benefits for its citizens in the Arab world, pre "liberation," has now has its entire society privatized. Perhaps, in keeping with Obama's "neo" liberalism, the Libyans will be forced to buy health care insurance from US companies, as Americans are now forced to do. But actually retaining a genuine social democratic safety net (much less installing one)? I don't think so.
Peaceful_Idiot
March 23rd, 2011 at 6:27 am
Yeah, and that's just what antiwar.com was doing between 2000 and 2008, attacking the left and defending the right! Where were you, screaming about the evil "neocons" that everyone has all but forgotten about?
GradyWilson
March 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 am
From 2000 to 2008 Raimondo was defending the right by pretending that the GOP had been hijacked by the neocons – advancing the myth that the GOP true history was one of non-intervention (like Taft and Paul!). Truth is they are not "neo". They are conservatives. Conservatives support capitalist imperial warfare.
Where are Raimondo's antiwar Tea Party Republicans? Aren't they the antiwar frauds? Why exactly does Raimondo support the Tea Party? Why exactly does the Tea Party advertise on antiwar.com?
icr
March 23rd, 2011 at 7:53 am
He was a liberal-progressive for the time. You're making the mistake of thinking that anti-black racism was as salient an issue then as it has been in post-World War Two era. Read, out of many examples,Paul Gottfried's book , After Liberalism, for abundant evidence of how the "trendies" of the day rallied around Wilson. http://www.amazon.com/After-Liberalism-Democracy-…
FDR was a liberal who refused to support an anti-lynching bill and sent Japanese-Americans to concentration camps on racial grounds. He also out-Watergated Nixon in his persecution of
anti-interventionists. See, as only the only the most dramatic example, The Mass Sedition Trial of 1944.
AngelaKeaton
March 23rd, 2011 at 8:03 am
Grady,
Cut the crap. You know full well those are Google Ad Sense ads that are chosen by logarithm. If you stopped brining up the tea parites, I wouldn't have to see that fool in my face.
BTW, if any of you are offended by Scott Walker's bland Ken doll looks, send me the URL and I will have it blocked. It would be a pleasure really.
icr
March 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 am
Those Americans had a chance-for a brief time- to be a great people: http://www.fff.org/freedom/0495c.asp
"One of the most remarkable episodes in American history was the spontaneous and widespread opposition to Franklin Roosevelt's obvious attempts to embroil the United States in the European war that broke out in 1939. That opposition was centered in the America First Committee. In modern accounts of the war period, the committee is either ignored or maligned as a pro-fascist, anti-Semitic organization. It was nothing of the kind."
(…)
"When Hitler invaded Poland in September 1939 and Britain and France declared war, Roosevelt affirmed America's neutrality. "Within three weeks, however," writes Doenecke, "he urged Congress to remove an arms embargo that had been one of the linchpins of U.S. neutrality legislation." Congress acceded. That erosion of neutrality spurred the Yale students, who quickly sought supporters outside the ranks of college students."
(…)
"In its day-to-day business, the AFC challenged Roosevelt's and the Congress's war-related measures (Lend-Lease, the destroyers-for-bases exchange with Britain, the occupation of Iceland, the Atlantic Charter, aid to the Soviet Union, the extension of the draft) and rebutted each argument made for direct or indirect involvement in the war. In pamphlets, radio broadcasts, and public meetings, AFC spokesmen rejected the interventionists' case that a German victory or Japan's conquests would put the United States at an economic disadvantage or lead to war later."
(…)
GradyWilson
March 23rd, 2011 at 8:21 am
Of course there is a reason those logarithms chose ads for antiwar.com that appeal to the far right. Its because many righties who come to this site also go to newsmax, stormfront, redstate etc. Its not random.
And btw there are some liberal Dems criticizing the Pres. Where are Justin's Tea Partiers Angela?
"A hard-core group of liberal House Democrats is questioning the constitutionality of U.S. missile strikes against Libya, with one lawmaker raising the prospect of impeachment during a Democratic Caucus conference call on Saturday. …. "
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.h…
AngelaKeaton
March 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 am
Pete, that's Google Ad Sense. Newsmax ….eh…toils in different fields.
MoT
March 23rd, 2011 at 8:48 am
You ever notice how they drag out that old corpse of an argument about the Berlin Disco bombing and forget everything else about how he was our "partner" in the war on terror? Two military guys die and, that's BAD, but when our country blows up dozens or even hundreds of innocents it's always "Ooops!… My bad" And we're to forget about it.
MoT
March 23rd, 2011 at 8:51 am
Grady, you're dumber than a sack full of hammers. Whenever the text or even the comments on a given topic lean toward one subject or the other then those "ads" are automatically forwarded to that page. Unless a web site were to run their own ad selling and managed each and every one that came across then this is the result for 99 per cent of all web ads. There is no conspiracy.
GradyWilson
March 23rd, 2011 at 9:06 am
Weak Tea
Why the Tea Party isn't opposing Obama's position on Libya. http://www.slate.com/id/2288879/
The poll, conducted from March 18 to March 20, found 70 percent of all voters favoring a no-fly zone. Among "Tea Party supporters," it was 73 percent. Fifty-four percent of all voters favored attacks "directly targeted at Gaddafi's troops who are fighting the opposition forces in Libya." That number rose to 58 percent among Tea Partiers.
inconvient fact: Raimondo's Tea Party Republicans are MORE supportive of aggressive war than the general population. You idiots refuse to accept this fact and instead spout personal attacks at me for pointing this out. It doesn't reflect well on your integrity IMHO. Raimondo is the lying fraud for supporting the Tea Party while deceitfully pretending they oppose US imperialism.
JLS
March 23rd, 2011 at 9:08 am
literally lol
robt
March 23rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
Pretending? Conservatives support capitalist imperial warfare? And by the way, the Tea Party has already hijacked and perverted: Palin was just over in Israel kissing a$$.
Also, maybe you'd be more comfortable here: http://www.isreview.org/
AngelaKeaton
March 23rd, 2011 at 9:57 am
Grady,
Yes, of course, Kucinich and Miss Lee are over Obama. Now, get off line and get people in the street. Only about a 1000 hard left folk showed up in Hollywood Saturday to protest this atrocity in the making. That's not exactly Rothbard and Hess marching on Ft. Dix.
You also read "newsmax, stormfront, redstate" for the same reason I do. For the same reasons that nearly everyone here reads Counterpunch, TomDispatch, various other editors at The Nation, etc. We are "in-tell-leck-tu-als." We read things then think about them.
Now concede these two points:
1.) Barack Obama (Property of GoldmanSachs®) is a white straight corporate overlord a bunch of liberals voted for to feel good about themselves. He's as progressive as a peach crinoline at a Civil War reenactment.
2.) The Tea Parties as a grass roots phenomenon was over by the end of 2009. As with any trend, once Rolling Stone knows about it, it's over. Now it is just a generic label for any GOP candidate who doesn't have the full on support of the GOP.
freshnotbitter
March 23rd, 2011 at 10:04 am
What is a parody?
What does government have to do with marriage? They issue a marriage license which we have collectively decided that we need for an ordered society, such as it is. I can think of many reasons why it is a good idea to have a system of licenses for marriage, mainly having to do with children.
Having decided to issue licenses for marriage, the government cannot decide to give it to one person and not another because that would mean that one person is worth more than another.
It could not be more simple.
Dan
March 23rd, 2011 at 10:07 am
I think it is easy to sum up the article and comments on this article: neoliberalism is just as deadly and dangerous as neoconservatism. Allison, Nye, and other international relations scholars have written extensively about this. Mr. Raimondo, in future articles you might consider including an excerpt or two from their work to further validate your thesis.
p.s. I am a liberal progressive and I do not at all support Obama, Clinton, and the rest of the cabal. I did not vote for them, and never will.
freshnotbitter
March 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 am
Good point. Countries with oil are fortunate in the sense that they have a collective wealth and they ought to distribute that collective wealth collectively, not privately. Health care is a prime example of a collective good because everybody is at risk and, today, everybody will very likely benefit from health care at some point in his life. With oil wealth, a government can insure that every person receives health care even if it is provided by privately operated health care providers.
Indeed, one way of uniting the Libyan people's tribal differences would be the aim of creating a transparent sovereign wealth fund in lieu of Qaddafi's present system.
This whole question raises the issue of whether it is good to support Obama the revolutionary or Justin the corporate raider imperialist who is siding with the Saudi Kings in their efforts to keep evey drop of oil in their private bank accounts.
Certainly there is the question of whether or not the Libyan revolution is ripe, in the sense that Egypt's population was ripe for revolution.
WildeyMoore
March 23rd, 2011 at 10:32 am
James Madison said, "DEMOCRACIES" have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatable with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been in short in their lives as violent in their deaths…" Karl Marx said, "We must win the battle for Democracy." Obama proclaimed, We must build a democracy in Libya.
Obama is a communist. His father was a communist and he's a communist. Liberal? Their thinking is straight from heaven compare to communist. He's starting to expose himself and his aims. America's Constitution? A petty annoyance on his road to communist Empire. His mentor was/is the Bush family. May God have mercy on the "In God WeTrust" land.
freshnotbitter
March 23rd, 2011 at 10:35 am
Clinton was a crook. Obama is beginning to see the light. That is, the world is changing. The old order with its Victorian empires in Iraq and Afghanistan is being overtaken by events. The problem with Justin's position on Libya, in my opinion, is that it ignores the impact our actions will have on Saudi Arabia, Oman, Dubai, et al.
It would be helpful to have a new foundation in US foreign policy which does not rely on "boots on the ground" which I think could be described more aptly as "boot in your face" in the Arab world.
You wonder where the CIA is in all this with their $50 billion budget. You'd think they would have created a unifying theme in Libya, a revolutionary flag to rally around. But, of course, they are still living in the past, having high tea on the back of a camel on some far away mountain top. These public servants need a new master because the old one is dying.
freshnotbitter
March 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 am
I think the problem the paleo's will have is that we are entering an historical "change" period. They will, of course, argue that change has to come unassisted and without any interference from the USA. The problem is that we are already involved in these countries. I was not in favor of the colonial war in Iraq and thought the mission in Afghanistan was over in two weeks. Why did we not simply put some people in charge in various pars of Afghanistan and say "ok, we are leaving, don't make us come back of there will be heck to pay". Sure, things would change as soon as we left but I'll bet one change would be that the Afghanis would not tolerate foreign mercenaries training to attack other countries who were not interfering with Afghanistan. End of story.
And if we had to go back at some point, so what? Would that be worse than playing sitting duck for 10 years with no end in sight?
But now we have someting else to deal with in that part of the world. It is not the same.
liberranter
March 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 am
Pushed into war by a coven of relentlessly nagging neo-liberal Amazons, and a cabal of round-shouldered flabby-faced neocons, President Obama has been captured by ideologues just as surely as was his predecessor – and, I’ll predict right here and now, with equally disastrous results.
If anyone fails to read or absorb anything else in this article up until this closing statement, make sure you read and heed this passage. I cannot think of a better summary of the sock puppet-in-chief's situation than this, one that can be readily reused and plugged into any future article on the same topic.
Well put, Justin!
andy
March 23rd, 2011 at 11:51 am
Nothing good will come of this.
liberranter
March 23rd, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Really, folks, Grady's blithering stupidity has been a feature of these forums long enough for us all to know that no amount of common-sense injections will cure him. Why continue to feed the troll? All the attention only encourages more of the same old Stalinist verbal vomitus that seems to have everyone so annoyed. So unless you're all terminally masochistic, why encourage it? Giving him all of this undeserved attention is not only time and energy wasted, but more importantly deflects focus from the important matters under discussion.
Ignore Grady. He might not go away, but if no one pays him any attention, that will have them same effect.
mickperry
March 23rd, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Disastrous results liberranter? Seems like a win-win situation to me. You sell a dictatorship a very expensive air force while its subjects remain without the basic social provisions of life such as sewage, potable water and electricity. Then when the subjects rise up in anger you (a) supply said dictatorship with more weaponry to suppress the subjects, or (b) destroy said air force that you've just sold to said dictatorship using a more superior fire power, that you will in turn sell to the new dictatorship once it has become obsolete to your own needs, when you've developed even more lethal fire-power. What could be a better arrangement and what could possibly go wrong?
Bianca
March 23rd, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Even when arguing against intervention, some are bothered by the fact that the revolution was about to be crushed! Justin is making some very important points, especially about Obama's Prevention Toolkit (OPT). One can PREVENTATIVELY start a military operation against someone who is SUSPECTED of WANTING to kill his population, WHEN he gets to the point of winning over the rebels. Then, the no-fly zone is turned into airstrikes — PREVENTATIVELY — as it was suspected that once planes start flying over Libya, Gadhafi airforce COULD HAVE ATTACKED THEM. No, we do not like to intervene, BUT we want OUR side to win, and kill more of THEIR side (equally Libyan population). Gadhafi could have overrun Benghazi, just like the royals in Bahrain. They have overrun the unarmed rebellion using Saudi tanks, blasting the symbol of resistance, the Pearl Roundabout, and took it to the leaders and anyone whose face is recognized on cameras. Compared to this, Gadhafi is an amateur. This Libyan thing will last years, unless growing problems in Middle East, problems in Japan, and the growing fiancial crisis in US and Europe, changes the trajectory.
Terrance&Philip
March 23rd, 2011 at 1:12 pm
FTA: "…the true authors of this war, the three Amazons of the State Department: Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, and Samantha Power."
Along with the performances of Frau Albright and Condee Rice in the previous administrations, this should put paid once and for all that the world would be a more peaceful place with women in charge. (How quickly forgotten was Golda Meir.)
mickperry
March 23rd, 2011 at 1:16 pm
See my comments; letters to Justin regarding people's right to have a say in US foreign policy and his failure to address many other major issues which concern us today. Read what he's had to say about it. This comments forum is great though Angela, and keep it coming. Meanwhile ask Justin to produce an encyclopaedic map of the skulduggery that is currently being employed to subvert the people's world revolution in values.
Terrance&Philip
March 23rd, 2011 at 1:16 pm
"…it's always "Ooops!… My bad" And we're to forget about it."
The first time we inadvertently blow up a hospital or a school of children, I look forward to Obama coming out and, Urkel-like, asking, "Gee, did I do that????"
mickperry
March 23rd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
That's what he's paid for, no?
dink
March 23rd, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Friends, I agree. That is real power. This is really expensive, and all Obama did was send a letter to Congress. Wish I could get someone to pay my tab that easy.
dink
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:05 pm
I agree. There where even more unemployed in Tunesia with nothing to do. We have spent $12,500 a day on everyone that has died in Libya. (8,000 people/$100mil/ a day). I would like some of those Wisconsin teachers to think about that before they support Obama.
Jan Burton
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Jojo,
may I suggest you take a trip to Misrata in order to learn the difference between how the USA and Libya deal with opposition.
jackbootstate
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:15 pm
"By the time they get through with the place, every Libyan will have guaranteed state-run healthcare…"
Libertarian B.S. talking points Justin, and you know it. This makes it sound like they're imposing something akin to the NHS in the U.S., when nothing could be further from the truth. Show me one case where the U.S. allowed the colonies to build a robust public sector outside of the police and military. Show me one instance where they don't loan up the economy of a Third World country and then demand that they dismantle their social welfare public sector to continue paying for sovereign debt. The first thing they did in Iraq in 2003 was to lay off virtually the entire public work force, which was the majority of the adult population.
This is imperialism in the age of the dominance of the Church of Neo-Liberalism. So the idea that they're going to use Libya's considerable oil wealth to create something akin to the NHS is complete nonsense. They'll extort it to pay for a new military base, but they won't allow it to be spent on the needs of the local population anymore than Gaddafi and family would. Of course, never mind that most Libyan's might actually want and vote for their own version of a NHS without an invasion by the liberal imperialists.
They have the right to use their oil wealth for such a purpose and Justin has no right to tell them they can't do that. And what would be wrong with guaranteeing health care, Justin? Greedy leach middle can't extort any price they want from a service that 100% of the population needs, and ruin people financially? Get out the violin and cry me a river.
dink
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Friend. $100 million dollars a day for a African/Arab civil war is alot of money. I know the Communist took the property of others when they take over. Whoever supports this war, the Republicans McCain (AZ), Graham (SC), and much more sure like taking this countries money the same way Communists have in other countries.
dink
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:42 pm
We have a warfare state. $100million dollars a day for this while we have two other wars going on. Its sad. I just know a Libertarian isn't the president of the United State, regardless of the 'Health Care Debate'. I found out in High School that President Johnson couldn't afford the Viet Nam war and the social programs of the Great Society. Isn't McCain elderly, don't they learn from anything? Its American eating American. We can't afford Unions in states, but we can pop $100 million a day and all Obama has to do is send a letter to congress, while his political friends run cover for him?
Sam
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:15 pm
The right wing conspiracy will not succeed.
RickR30
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:21 pm
What exactly has the Tea Party done that makes you think Raimondo should spend his entire energy and every article attacking it? Or is just your trick to get everyone talking about it instead of the wars brought to us, continued, and enhanced by the liberals? Just create your own Anti-Teaparty.com, let Raimondo write what he wants to write, and leave us alone.
Sam
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Israel is helping Gadhafi (Duff–Veterans todays). Can somebody help and eleborate?
Sam
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Israel is helping Gadhafi (Duff–Veterans todays). Can somebody help and elaborate?
Anthony
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Obama must be impeached. By committing US troops to war without congressional approval he has violated the Constitution. This is not a side issue, this is an extremely dangerous power to put in the hands of one man. There must be at least one congressman who still believes in the Constitution.
mikehell
March 23rd, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Jan,
This is only a moral dilemma if (a) you think you know what is best for total strangers; (b) you think that you have enough information to distinguish good guys from bad guys; and (c) you think that by acting on the information and intervening with force you can be a force for 'good' (undefined). Each of these conceits is of course logically false but these are the central conceits of modern liberalism and progressivism. Together they betray a worldview that is completely and utterly lunatic. Please get over it.
Peaceful_Idiot
March 23rd, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Do you mean Algorithm? In mathematics a logarithm, i.e. ln(t), is the integral of 1/x from 1 to t, and is the inverse of the exponential function. In computer science an algorithm is an ordered list that solves a problem.
dink
March 23rd, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Rep. Tim Johnson (R-Ill.) called Obama a "new war-mongering president who's belied everything he stands for and everything we thought we stood for."
Defund it. Defund it. Support your representative that wants to. Details: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/24/libya-ho…
GradyWilson
March 24th, 2011 at 5:39 am
Raimondo has spent quite a bit of column space advocating for Tea Party and claiming that they represent non intervention. This was all a lie and he should acknowledge that he was/is wrong. Tea Partiers are more supportive of war than the general population. Raimondo deserves to be called out on this issue. Stating these facts is not a "trick" on my part.
jon
March 24th, 2011 at 7:18 am
"Clinton and Obama are centrists."
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Hey. Thanks for my morning laugh! Ho, ho, ho.
Jon
March 24th, 2011 at 7:38 am
"It could not be more simple"
No. You could not be more simple.
A "license" is government permission, and a money maker. Also I don't remember voting for or "collectivly deciding", that we needed marriage licenses for an 'ordered society' And what does a "marriage license" have to do with children anyway?
"Having decided to issue licenses for marriage, the government cannot decide to give it to one person and not another because that would mean that one person is worth more than another"
Yes it can. For instance it did not grant licenses to males to marry males or for females to marry females for over a hundred years. Societies morals. standards, call it what you will, have been altered to now accept same sex marriages, by media, and school propaganda.
You didn't think this issue through on your own out of the blue, you were 'nudged' into it. If you want true equality from the government's marriage bureau shouldn't poligamy be approved? Why can't I marry sevceral of my closest friends and relatives? How about a woman and her favorite St. Bernard? Or a man and a boy?
Jon
March 24th, 2011 at 7:58 am
" for all their other faults (like the slavery issue), "
Oh no! Not the slavery issue!
Try thinking. Slaughter and Slavery were pretty much the lot of most people throughout the world in the not too distant past. Slavery was a normal, accepted, condition in the 1700s when slavery existed in the "colonies". Especially in a labor intensive, agrarian society.
Serfdom, sharecropping, and indentured servitude wasn't much better than slavery. You have to look at conditions in the context of their times before you judge. You've been "sensitized" to the slavery thing by the media, the schools, and these so called civil rights organizations.
Slavery still takes place in africa and other parts of the world, but the media doesn't dwell on it, so you are not aware of it. You can buy a young boy in some African countries for about $25 US.
Jon
March 24th, 2011 at 8:11 am
"That IT IS ILLEGAL TO OBEY ILLEGAL ORDERS"
Wow. How incitfull of you. Now tell us. Which orders are illegal?
Having been in the US military the rule was you carry out the order first, THEN you challenge the order. So where does that leave you?
The lesson from Nuremburg is that the VICTOR can make up rules (Crimes Against Humanity) that never existed before and force them on the defeated.
Note that firebombing civilians (Germans and Japanese) was NOT a crime against humanity.Nor was nuking Japenese cililians. Well. Go figure.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
March 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Two Libyan "revolutionaries":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Jibril
http://www.foster.washington.edu/centers/facultyr…
For a more complete list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Transitiona…
Adam
March 24th, 2011 at 9:40 am
Marriage is essentially a contract between two individuals. How many other instances are there in which two adult members of the same sex are denied the ability to enter into a contract purely on that consideration?
liberranter
March 24th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
"Better arrangement" for the Power Elite, yes. From that perspective, the only thing that could go wrong is a mass awakening (i.e., sudden mass brain-growth) among the somnolent sheeple. Not much chance of that happening, I readily admit. The "disastrous results"will be felt by the rest of us – most acutely, of course, by the unfortunate benighted slobs who voluntarily suited up to go fight the Empire's wars of conquest.
@SailorChik
March 24th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
They also forget about Operation El Dorado Canyon in 1986, which was the retaliation for that old tired corpse of an argument about the Berlin Disco. Been there, done that. Got the "I crossed the line of death" patch (even though my ship remained north of the line).
@SailorChik
March 24th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Doesn't anyone find it interesting that in 2009, Ghaddafy was angry at how the new Argus sour crude index pricing scheme used by Saudi Aramco was screwing him out of profits, so he threatened nationalization, forcing the renegotiation of all oil contracts (for more money)? Google it and see what I'm talking about. He made a lot of people nervous with that one.
Anonymouser
March 24th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
What a crock. I remember Justin back in November 2008 was just as rah rah hope and change as any "liberal" was about Obama. Fact is, liberals got duped. You did too. Don't act like you are better than us when you fell for the same crap. After two stolen elections and two illegal wars, wiretapping and torture, we liberals grabbed at whatever straws we thought could turn the country around. That's a fair bit more than your new bestest friends in the Tea Party who were cheering Bush on, while he drove the country into a ditch.
Instead of doing anything productive you are indulging in partisan backbiting at a time when both liberal and conservative lovers of freedom and constitutional law need to be forming coalitions. Way to be part of the problem, numbnuts.
Sean2009
March 26th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
I see no point in giving a platform to scumbags like Cole. He is a typical comprador "intellectual." I remember writing a post on bis blog criticizing his support for Obama's war in Afghanistan. It was censored. He is notorious for deleting posts that disagree with him.
Tom Cod
March 27th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
excellent article. I don't agree with entirely with your world view, but an excellent article nonetheless. It seems like most of the left, even including sanctimonious marxist high priests, are backing this. Do you believe that?
Tom Cod
March 27th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Actually, Wilson's racism was considered notorious by many people at the time, including Theodore Roosevelt, who was personal friends with Booker T. Washington. Wilson accepted the support of the KKK, a powerful force in the Democratic Party at the time, and had a private screening of "Birth of a Nation" held in the White House. Remember, TR ran against Wilson in 1912 as a "progressive" coming in 2nd ahead of the incumbent Taft.