Liberals Smear Wikileaks
Mother Jones and Colbert go after Wikileaks
Activists intent on releasing evidence of crimes committed by a powerful government are harassed and followed by police and intelligence agents: a restaurant in which they are meeting comes under surveillance, and, subsequently, one of their number is detained by the police for 21 hours. Their leader is followed on an international flight by two agents: and, in a parking lot of foreign soil, one of their number is accosted by a "James Bond character" and threatened. Computers are seized, and on the group’s Twitter account the following message appears:
"If anything happens to us, you know why … and you know who is responsible."
Well, then, who is responsible? Surely it must be some totalitarian regime – say, the Chinese, or one of the Arab autocracies – but no. The culprits are the Americans, and their target is Wikileaks – the web site of record for leaked government and other official documents, which has so far done more real investigative reporting in the last few years to unnerve and expose the Powers That Be than the New York Times and the Washington Post, combined.
From the dicey activities of major banks, to the "Climate-gate" e-mails that revealed attempts by government scientists to falsify or "sex up" data to make the case for global warming, to the war crimes committed by US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, Wikileaks is fearlessly exposing the evil that stalks the world – and they, in turn, are being relentlessly stalked by the US government and its minions.
A US government document [.pdf] posted on Wikileaks, and authored by Michael D. Horvath, of something called the "Cyber Counterintelligence Assessments Branch," apparently a division of the Army Counterintelligence Center, declared Wikileaks to be a danger to national security. The report explored several ways to track the provenance of documents posted on the Wikileaks site, and take down the site itself. Horvath cites a supposed lack of "editorial review" which means "the Wikileaks.org Web site could be used to post fabricated information; to post misinformation, disinformation, and propaganda; or to conduct perception management and influence operations designed to convey a negative message to those who view or retrieve information from the Web site."
Furthermore, "it must be presumed that Wikileaks.org has or will receive sensitive or classified DoD documents in the future. This information will be published and analyzed over time by a variety of personnel and organizations with the goal of influencing US policy."
Shocking! Why, how dare these perfidious personnel and obviously subversive organizations presume to imagine they could possibly influence US policy! Horvath lists a number of "foreign" intelligence agencies – the Russians, the British, the Israelis – who have the technical capacity to shut Wikileaks down, and alludes to a more subtle effort by averring:
"Efforts by some domestic and foreign personnel and organizations to discredit the Wikileaks.org Web site include allegations that it wittingly allows the posting of uncorroborated information, serves as an instrument of propaganda, and is a front organization of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)."
Horvath goes on to detail all the criticism of Wikileaks that have appeared in the general media, including the blogosphere, and now that the "Collateral Murder" video has been released – with another one, showing similar atrocities in Afghanistan, on the way – the techniques described by Horvath are being implemented by the Obama administration’s media shills to discredit and marginalize Wikileaks, particularly targeting its founder, Julian Assange.
First up is Mother Jones magazine, a citadel of Bay Area high liberalism and the left-wing of the Obama cult, with a long article by one David Kushner. The piece is essentially a critical profile of Assange, who is described as an egotist in the first few paragraphs, and it goes downhill from there. Most of the article is a collection of dishy quotes from various "experts" – including from the apparently quite jealous (and obviously demented) editor of Cryptome.org, a similar site, who says Wikileaks is CIA front. Steven Aftergood, author of the Federation of American Scientists’ Secrecy News blog, "says he wasn’t impressed with WikiLeaks’ ‘conveyor-belt approach’ to publishing anything it came across. ‘To me, transparency is a means to an end, and that end is an invigorated political life, accountable institutions, opportunities for public engagement. For them, transparency and exposure seem to be ends in themselves,’ says Aftergood. He declined to get involved."
To begin with, quite obviously Assange and the Wikileaks group have a political goal in, say, publishing the Iraq massacre video – which is to stop the war, end the atrocities, and expose the war crimes of this government to the light of day. Surely the video, and the ones to come, will continue to "invigorate" our political life – perhaps a bit more than the Aftergoods of this world would like.
Kushner contacted a few members of the Wikileaks advisory board who claim they never agreed to serve – and gets one of them, computer expert Ben Laurie, to call Assange "weird." Kushner adds his own description: "paranoid: – and yet Laurie’s own paranoia comes through loud and clear when he avers:
"WikiLeaks allegedly has an advisory board, and allegedly I’m a member of it. I don’t know who runs it. One of the things I’ve tried to avoid is knowing what’s going on there, because that’s probably safest for all concerned.”
This is really the goal of harassing and pursuing government critics: pure intimidation. With US government agents stalking Assange as he flies to a conference in Norway, and one attempted physical attack in Nairobi, Assange is hated by governments and their shills worldwide. And Mother Jones certainly is a shill for the Obama administration, a virtual house organ of the Obama cult designed specifically for Bay Area limousine liberals who’ll gladly turn a blind eye to their idol’s war crimes – and cheer on the Feds as they track Assange’s every move and plot to take him down.
Kushner asks "Can WikiLeaks be trusted with sensitive, and possibly life-threatening, documents when it is less than transparent itself?" Oh, what a good question: why shouldn’t Wikileaks make itself "transparent" to the US government, and all the other governments whose oxen have been viciously gored by documents posted on the site? Stop drinking the bong water, Kushner, and get a clue.
Kushner quotes one Kelly McBride, "the ethics group leader" at the Poynter Institute for Media Studies, as saying Wikileaks suffers from "a distorted sense of transparency.” This Orwellian turn of phrase is an indicator of how the mind of a government shill works. Says McBride: “They’re giving you everything they’ve got, but when journalists go through process of granting someone confidentiality, when they do it well, they determine that source has good information and that the source is somehow deserving of confidentiality.”
I want to ask this "ethics group leader" if someone who works for the US government and has evidence of war crimes committed by that government, "is somehow deserving of confidentiality?" Yes or no? If no, then you had better reexamine the "ethics" upheld by you and the Poynter Institute. By the way, nothing about McBride’s views are at all surprising, given that the Poynter Institute is promoting the idea of government subsidies to the American media. If McBride & Co. aren’t already on the government payroll, then they should be. Same goes for the ubiquitous Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for the Freedom of the Press, who "thinks WikiLeaks’ approach gives fresh ammunition to those who seek to pressure journalists to cough up the names of their unnamed sources. She forbids her staff from using the site as a source."
Ms. Dalglish has her head screwed on backwards: that’s the only possible explanation for an organization ostensibly devoted to press freedom joining the government’s pushback against Wikileaks. She should resign – or be impeached – forthwith. Far from pressuring journalists, Wikileaks is an essential asset to the profession: it provides them not only with more sources, but also with a convenient fallback: "I got it from Wikileaks." This decreases pressure on journalists pressed to identify their sources: they can always blame it on Assange and his fellow Scarlet Pimpernels of the Internet.
A child could understand this, but it’s way beyond the executive director of the Reporters Committee for the Freedom of the Press, and also far beyond the comprehension of the "liberal" Mother Jones magazine, which ought to change its name to Encounter. Kushner "reports" this nonsense uncritically, and even cites the loony John Young, of Cryptome.org, who rants:
"’WikiLeaks is a fraud,’ [Young] wrote to Assange’s list, hinting that the new site was a CIA data mining operation. ‘Fuck your cute hustle and disinformation campaign against legitimate dissent. Same old shit, working for the enemy.’"
Kushner has all bases covered: the white-wine-and-brie liberals who would rather look the other way while their hero Obama slaughters children on the streets of Baghdad, and the tinfoil hat crowd who can be convinced Wikileaks is a "false flag" operation.
The positive impact of Wikileaks is "debatable," avers Kushner – especially if you’re an Obamaite intent on covering up the fact of US war crimes, because of the political damage it might inflict on your "progressive" coalition. As evidence of this "debatability," Kushner tries to blame the assassination of two Kenyan dissidents on the publication of documents on Wikileaks exposing Kenyan corruption – which seems a blatant case of diverting the real blame from where it really belongs, and that is on the Kenyan government and its death squads. No, it just won’t wash – and this is certainly a curious argument for an ostensibly liberal magazine, supposedly devoted to human rights, to make. But then again, anything is possible if you’ve decided to become a government apologist and errand boy.
Speaking of government apologists and errand boys, Steven Colbert of The Colbert Report on Comedy Central had Assange on Monday night, and it was the Mother Jones piece with a snarky grin and a laugh track. Colbert dropped the comic mask, and let his true face as a loyal Obamaite shine through, reciting Pentagon lies and attacking Assange for having edited "Collateral Murder," and even for giving it that title. He then opined Assange was "emotionally manipulating" people – an echo of Horvath’s analysis, which denounced Wikileaks as "disinformation" and "propaganda." "Collateral Murder" was "an editorial," not real reporting, said Colbert, but looked a bit surprised when Assange calmly pointed out that the assertion of a nearby firefight is "a lie." "We have classified information" to the contrary, Assange said, with calm assurance. You could hear a pin drop when he said that the report of "some gunfire" preceded the killings by twenty minutes and miles away from the reported location.
What was supposed to have been a "gotcha" interview turned into a triumph for Wikileaks. Colbert, the court jester in King Obama’s court, missed his target by a country mile. This failed ambush, coupled with the Mother Jones hit piece, tell us all we need to know about what political discourse in Obama’s America is going to be like. Obama’s political police are after Wikileaks, and specifically Assange, and the liberal smear brigade is going to go after him hammer and tongs. The Obamaites know that a great chunk of their liberal base opposes the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and their Dear Leader could easily find himself in the same position as Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1968. No wonder there were two US State Department officials following Assange on that international flight: will Hillary Clinton, their boss, tell us what they were doing, and on what authority?
The spying on Wikileaks, and attempts by the US government to take down and/or discredit this valuable Internet resource, is taking place on Obama’s watch, and under the direction of his appointed officials. The entire apparatus of surveillance and repression developed under the Bush administration has been adopted by and expanded on by the Obamaites This is a regime that has now decided it’s okay to assassinate American citizens, but foreign-born terrorists plotting to kill Americans must be tried in a US court and given free lawyers.
And if that doesn’t prove we’ve entered Bizarro World, via the Twilight Zone, then I don’t know how else to explain it.
While Assange is being tailed by Hillary’s gendarmes, and a brazen campaign of intimidation is being carried out by government agencies against a legal organization and web site, the "liberals" over at Mother Jones are doing their bit by trying to discredit Assange, and Wikileaks, in progressive circles. Judging from the comments attached to Kushner’s piece, it isn’t working all that well.
When are conservatives going to wake up and smell the coffee? Probably when Obama’s thugs come after them and their dinky little web sites, if ever they become a threat to the regime. This is blowback, guys: the very spying and surveillance you wanted as weapons in the "war on terrorism" are now being turned on critics of a liberal Democratic administration. They’re going after the web site that published the "Climate-gate" emails — and you’re next!
And when are liberals going to wake up and smell the fact that their Dear Leader has betrayed the Revolution, and is in many ways worse than his predecessor? At least you knew Bush was an authoritarian. Obama puts a "reasonable" and even "liberal" face on what is, essentially, the same doctrine of executive and governmental supremacism. What’s interesting is to listen to liberals now sounding like the once-hated neocons, smearing anyone who stands in their way and justifying an increasingly unpopular and costly war. The real Mother Jones must be spinning in her grave.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





Heathcliff_Maw
April 14th, 2010 at 3:40 am
I saw the Colbert interview and, unfortunately, you missed Colbert's intent by a country mile. Regular viewers of the show know it is Colbert's schtick to play the role of a conservative and to challenge his subjects by being the devil's advocate. Mr. Assange seemed comfortable with the interview and amused by Colbert's use of irony and occasional absurdity.
Justin, you seem intent on going out of your way to portray liberals as too partisan to stick to their principles when a Democrat is president. Well, I have news for you. Some of the people most pissed off by Obama are liberals. Some liberals are still in denial and are holding onto hope, but they'll come around. (Many might have done so already if the congressional Republicans were not so partisan and odious.) There are yet others who are more partisan than principled who will cling to Obama the same way millions of conservatives stayed married to Bush. It is not all black and white.
I didn't read the Mother Jones article, so at this time I can only wonder how accurate your critique is.
John Hinkle
April 14th, 2010 at 5:41 am
Heathcliff totally got it right about the Colbert piece. You apparently don't quite seem to get the levels that Colbert works at -playing the part of the idiot shill in order to expose just how ridiculous the Gov or Corporate Media propaganda really is. He actually gave Assange the red carpet treatment, if you hadn't noticed he gave him essentially TWO segments, which to my knowledge he has never done for any other guest. I think he was meaning to give him the best Colbert bump ever. As far as your take on the M Jones article you actually hit the nail on the head. It was a cheap hit piece. I also agree that Obama is as bad and probably more dangerous than Bush and WIKILEAKS is the best thing that has come around in a long time. Let's hope Assange survives the predator drone attack.
Justin Raimondo
April 14th, 2010 at 6:00 am
If you are too dumb to see that Colbert was perfectly serious, then the War party was not and is not.
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/04/13/you-can%E2…
and here:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201985.php
Stop watching TV, put your thinking cap on, and read the Mother Jones smear piece: and then come back and tell me it's all a mistake on my part.
Karol
April 14th, 2010 at 6:01 am
Exactly. Read the comments on Glenn Greenwald's blog over at Salon: Liberals who are angry with Obama and few Obama defenders. If he doesn't get Sarah Palin as the Republican nominee, he's in a lot of trouble.
Justin thinks there should be anti-war demonstrations and maybe there will be but I'm not going to bother. Ten "tea party" people get more media attention than ten thousand anti-war demonstrators. Its just not worth the effort.
Bob Weber
April 14th, 2010 at 6:08 am
I can't comment on Colbert's program because I didn't see it, but I can tell you that Steven Aftergood is a shill for both the U.S. and Israeli governments. He tried to attack James Bamford in the wake of Bamford's revelations regarding the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty.
Elmeri
April 14th, 2010 at 6:15 am
"Climate-gate" e-mails that revealed attempts by government scientists to falsify or "sex up" data to make the case for global warming
Sigh… the scientists didn't falsify anything. The "climategate" was seriously overblown, what the scientists did was standard methods in order to make the data set comparable to the other data available. If they were cheating, you can bet the other scientists would not be quiet. The amount of scientific data supporting anthropogenic climate change is already huge, please don't muddy the waters on this very serious issue. If you are seriously antiwar and anti-totalitarian, you should be worried about what the climatologists tell to us.
Justin Raimondo
April 14th, 2010 at 6:21 am
I am worried about what "experts" tell us, especially government-subsidized "experts" who have a clear political agenda, along with the politicians who subsidize them. However, regardless of one's views on the climate-change religion, er, I mean, "point of view," I think you have to agree that the publication of those very embarrassing (for the global warming priesthood) is in everybody's interest. This issue, by the way, is a major reason for the liberal smear campaign.
Justin Raimondo
April 14th, 2010 at 6:23 am
Colbert is a tired, smug Hollywood type, who doesn't know anything but what he reads on the teleprompter. And I don't think anyone can look at that "interview" as friendly, "satire" or not.
JLS
April 14th, 2010 at 6:34 am
It's true though that there are a lot of liberals who, it turns out, aren't really all that committed to liberal positions, just to the democratic party.
Tom Mauel, WI
April 14th, 2010 at 7:05 am
Did any of the corporate media even show the Wilkileaks video? I doubt it? Colbert has a huge following of mostly young viewers. They watch him because they know his satirical reporting is closer to the truth than any of the drivel they see on Network or cable TV. Throughout history clever artists have employed satire comedy and farce to deliver the hard truth about society and dictatorial governments. Colberts roast of George Bush was hilarious and George wasn't laughing. He was one of the few individuals to give George what he had coming in the eight years of his reign.
I would gladly ally myself with Colbert but the Tea Party, never!
gary
April 14th, 2010 at 7:15 am
colberts interview comically asked all the right questions that should havebeen dealt with on regular news channels….assange seemed pleased to put his opinions on record and was in on the joke..i enjoy reading raimondo but he often undercuts his own case with hyperbole…"obamas thugs" are going to come for us
come on justin get a sense of humor and stop with the breathless reporting..its all doom all the time…..i live in the bay area and are aware of obamas shortcomingbut with all that he is still ten times better than the overgrown fratboy…how soon we forget
Heathcliff_Maw
April 14th, 2010 at 7:45 am
Dumb? Are you going to disappoint me further by stooping to that level?
Perhaps you missed the study that found that conservatives don't know Colbert is joking. Google "conservatives Colbert" to discover several links like this one: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10232295-71.htm…
It is Colbert's job to give his guests the opportunity to respond to their critics. He can't do that if he doesn't challenge them with the criticisms they are facing or are likely to face. I thought he did a good job of that while giving Assange ample opportunity to respond–except to interrupt now and then to interject a joke or refine the question. I don't suppose it matters that the attack they were discussing happened during Bush's presidency (in 2007)?
I'll get back to you on the Mother Jones piece when I have the time to read it. Maybe you will be right. I'll be fair in my appraisal. If you care about your credibility, then you will take care to be fair in your criticism of others. I think your biases have clouded your judgment recently in your attacks on Maddow and Colbert. Is it because the weirdos in the Tea Party have done so much to embarrass conservatives that you feel the need to find fault with liberals?
Take note: A big reason the Democrats are expected to lose big in November is because many of the people who voted for Obama are so disenchanted with him now. That was the case in Massachusetts when Brown got elected in a state that Obama won by a large margin. Young adults have become especially disillusioned.
lifelonglib
April 14th, 2010 at 8:16 am
Well thats because of Sarah Palin. She has caused Liberals (or at least me) to stay 100 percent behind the Democratic Party. I am not happy with the Democratic Party, but as long as Palin is a national figure I'll just have to keep voting Democratic (instead of either Libertarian or Green).
lifelonglib
April 14th, 2010 at 8:37 am
the Mother Jones SMEAR piece???
I read it (this is the second time I've read it), and came away with jubilant thoughts of WTG Wikileaks, tempered only by the fact that if 5 people are killed, bought out, or just lose interest then Wikileaks goes away.
What I got out of the article is there is this guy, he's a bit eccentric, he is a genius, and here is what he has done. Wikileaks does this – posts reasonably well vetted information – and tries to avoid causing bad things to happen. Despite his safeguards, which he takes seriously, sometimes, as in the Kenya case, he "wins the battle" (accurate information was posted) but loses the war (2 good people got assassinated as a result). He is aware that unintended consequences can result from his posting information on Wikileaks, takes pains to protect good people, but despite that bad stuff still happens.
lifelonglib
April 14th, 2010 at 8:38 am
(continued)
If this is a "SMEAR".. then what would it take to qualify as Mother Jones saying something good about Wikileaks? Do you think someone can do Wikileaks in a completely safe, normal way that would be completely guaranteed not to hurt good people? Rather than trashing Mother Jones, I recommend that you direct as many people as possible to this Mother Jones article, which to me is an issue of agreement between Liberal and Libertarian ideas. This article was a celebration of Wikileaks. At least it had that effect on me.
Heathcliff_Maw
April 14th, 2010 at 9:17 am
I've now read the MJ article and here is my assessment. I think it focuses too much on Assange personally and I agree with your criticism of the implication that the Kenyan human rights workers were assassinated because of their leaks to WikiLeaks. However, I think saying Mother Jones is smearing WikiLeaks is an overstatement.
The article summarizes the criticisms of WikiLeaks and then does what it should: it presents specific statements from some of those critics. It also presents the other side in response: statements from Assange that they do vet what they receive and that he is responsible for making the call on what gets published. That admission of responsibility may explain why the author felt it relevant to dwell on who Assange is, but I thought it was heavy handed and unnecessarily unflattering with terms like "self-centered." Bringing attention to Assange's sense of endangerment would be fair–and understandable.
Mother Jones can be fairly criticized for not pushing Kushner to do a better job in some areas, but you also shouldn't expect the article to be a WikiLeaks hagiography. Is it not fair to point out that some of the people on the advisory board don't know they are on it?
You tend to assume a lot about people's motivations with statements like "especially if you’re an Obamaite intent on covering up the fact of US war crimes, because of the political damage it might inflict on your 'progressive' coalition…" and your assumption that Colbert meant to ambush Assange with a "gotcha" interview. Your most implausible assumption is that Obama's supporters feel threatened by WikiLeaks because it exposed a war crime that happened in 2007–or that they worry that Obama will be damaged by WikiLeaks in the future and therefore must smear it. I don't doubt that there are people in Obama's opaque administration who feel that way, but you don't provide any evidence that any significant number of the 45% or so of Americans who still approve of Obama feel that way, but you seem to assume it. Who are these liberals that you are attacking anyway? Can they be counted on one hand?
ACCORDING TO POLLING THAT HAS BEEN DONE SINCE OBAMA'S INAUGURATION, support for the war in Afghanistan has continued to fall–even among those who approve of Obama generally. Google it. So I guess that shoots down your theory that liberals are doing an en masse about-face on the war just because Obama is escalating it. By the way, I am NOT an Obama supporter and never have been.
Dan
April 14th, 2010 at 9:27 am
Don't agree with everything you say, but loved the idea of the name change for Mother Jones to Encounter. Entirely appropriate.
JohnDowser
April 14th, 2010 at 10:10 am
After viewing the video and having seen Colbert's type of interviewing many times before I cannot do anything but agreeing with Heathcliff and call this a Big Miss from an emotional Justin. Like some people claim the leaked camera video should be understood in the context of a warzone where you shoot first and ask questions later, in the same way Colbert's interview must be understood in the spirit of the Colbert show. All the non-verbal clues seemed clear enough. Some tough questions were asked but it appeared they were very welcomed by Assange and dealt with in a cool manner. This is because he understood the formula.
Lloyd G.
April 14th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Reminds me of Mother Jones' smear of the Oath Keepers:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keep…
A few dozen soldiers and cops say they won't follow illegal orders and Mother Jones freaks out. The readers' comments — such as that "Obama is commander in chief" and must be obeyed — could have been copied and pasted from posts to FreeRepublic.com from its 2003-04 Bush-worshipping peak.
Roger
April 14th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Seems that the war on internet is intensifying.
The websitehttp://www.mysasucks.com, that reports from South Africa, has been taken down recently. Andhttp://www.vdare.com reports that they have lost one of their main contributors.
I wonder how longhttp://www.antiwar.com can continue?
Elmeri
April 14th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Well, I don't see the messages very embarrassing. I hope the hackers were working with honest skeptical minds, not as a part of the massive ongoing anti-climate change smear campaign.
Global warming is a trendy topic, but what states are actually doing for it? Corporations run this world, so lots of nice talk, but they do next to nothing. So it sounds odd if you think the scientists are just pushing a government agenda. Climatologists have tons of data to show from many different, independent sources, yet anti-GW people have nothing but to smear the scientists. Which one you want to believe? Me, I'd love to see that GW turns out to be nothing but hype. But I'm afraid that's not going to happen…
But anyway, we really need more transparency, I fully agree with you that whistleblowers like Wikileaks is more than needed. Hope it survives the pressure and keeps revealing more uncomfortable secrets…
pwi
April 14th, 2010 at 10:48 am
"tinfoil hat crowd who can be convinced Wikileaks is a "false flag" operation. "
LOL – sounds like many people who post here.
Sarah Palin wants to be the next Ronald Reagan – good luck on that.
Obama is clearly heading to be the next Jimmy Carter but more of an evil one.
Brian
April 14th, 2010 at 11:05 am
Believe me when I tell you I have appreciated all the hard work you've been doing since I began reading your posts back in 2002 while still a graduate student at Oxford. The whole website was, for me, not so much a revelation as a confirmation of so many things I'd long suspected but was unable to fully conceptualize or properly articulate. I get the impression, though, that given you devote so much to your work (you write a good article just about every day of the week), you may prone to the odd bit of blindness–in this instance, you are rightly wary of everything presented to you in the American media: but Colbert (much more so than John Stewart) is anything but typical American viewing. As someone else has posted, he is parody of Bill O'Reilly: everything he says is in some way what he thinks O'Reilly would have said or thought in a similar situation. Anyway, keep up the exceptional work and maybe give Colbert a chance now and then: you could probably use a laugh, like the rest of us.
Lloyd G.
April 14th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Interesting chart of the relationship of media consumption and political bent:
http://www.nmrpp.com/research-targeting.html
Comedy Central's audience position: Left of center, less apt to vote.
To those who are telling Justin to lighten up — that this is Colbert's schtick, and one shouldn't take anything seen on the 'Colbert Report' seriously — um, ok. Let's all laugh at the faux Bill O'Reilly glorifying war crimes. It's hilarious.
liberal
April 14th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Lucy Dalglish is the thug who defended Judith Miller, IIRC.
Tom Mauel, WI
April 14th, 2010 at 6:03 am
Colbert is a great actor and satirist. If he tried to do a straight fact based reporting on his show the establishment press would throw him out in one day. He has found a clever way to bring hot topics and present them on corporate media.
I have also not read the Mother Jones piece. It would have been helpful to have some links. I would venture to guess the problem at Mother Jones and other print media is being dependent on advertising for survival and thus subject to infiltration by the right.
During the 1980's in Minneapolis a strong grass roots movement sprang up against Reagan
atrocities in Central America. Big labor and the Democrats sent in operatives in an attempt to tap into the organizing muscle and the popularity of the movement. They soon bullied their way into control of the movement and quickly destroyed it.. That is why Media Benjamin is a fool to believe there is anything to be gained by tapping into the Tea Party movement. The Tea Party could care less about the slaughter in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have never heard one Tea Party story contain one word about ending the Wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq or Somalia. In fact the biggest Tea
party cheerleaders are war mongers Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman.
JLS
April 14th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
I totally understand about Palin but the lesser of two evils is still evil. If we're ever going to see an actual move away from endless war we have to stop supporting the one party with two different names and vote for real anti-war people.
Heathcliff_Maw
April 14th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Colbert is a writer for the show and improvises brilliantly during the interviews. The interview was indeed friendly–though not fawning. Colbert is always a gentleman to his guests. You can't say the same for the guy who inspired his show: Bill O'Reilly. Do you see the difference?
Further, I thought it was proper for Colbert to challenge Assange on the title and editing of the footage. It is important for the antiwar side to maintain its credibility in contrast to the constant dishonesty of the pro-war side. Assange had the opportunity to address those questions.
I am willing to criticize Colbert if I feel he deserves it. I've been reading you longer than I've been watching him and I've given you the benefit of honest feedback.
@lesterhalfjr
April 14th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
the actual criticisms at cryptome were much more nuanced than the ones in that article. I have become a regular reader of that site albeit a casual one, I don't dig into the PDF files of corporate spying procedures and so forth. He defended wikileaks quite a bit as well, I think he intially and perhaps still sees them as a cheeseball version of cryptome with alot of hype surrounding it, like if I started a really melodramatic quasi revolutionary antiwar site justin would probably think I was cheesy.
in fact cryptome today has a response to justin article which people should read
John V. Walsh
April 14th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
This is another superb piece by Raimondo. Whether he got it right with Colbert, I do not know but I intend to look. HOWEVER, it is no secret that the liberal "left" will always endorse a prowar Dem – they did so with Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008. Just read The Nation as a leading example of this kind of sellout – or the "writings" of Norman Solomon and his "Progressive" Democrats of America. In fact they are gearing up right now to call to elect Dems in 2012. (And these will know how to play the game. They will vote antiwar UNLESS they are needed for a crucial vote as in early 2007. Then all will vote as instructed for war funding.)
The main point is that from Arianna Huffington to Norman Solomon to Katrina Vanden Heuvel and all those liberals in between, there is more loyalty to Party than to principle – and this allows wars to rage on, as the late Eugene McCarthy taught us so long ago as he trudged through the snows of New Hampshire.
Keep up the good work, Justin.
john v. walsh
epppie
April 14th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
The Liberals care only about one thing and one thing only – power for the class they affiliate with, the upper middle class, or at least the perception of power. So now they are attacking the Left with everything they have. They are at least as fascistic as the Busheviks were. I think they are more so.
But stop attacking 'tin foil hatters'. The CIA DOES have it's finger in a lot of pies, and you damn well know that. We always have to consider that possiblity. It's insane not to.
Wolfgang
April 14th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Justin, great article!!
I really enjoyed reading it, it is emotional, but the good way.
Uncovering the motivations of those who love to coverup, the pc bias, and who call themself
here in Germany the "Quality Media", trying to discredit the internet news.
Wolfgang
RockyRococo
April 14th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Just so there's no misunderstanding: nobody does a better job of attacking, smearing, and marginalizing the Left than the Democratic Party, their functionaries and helpmeets. Sorry, Jason, you're just not in the same ballpark as the Dem leadership when it comes to left-bashing, you're noo more than "Amateur Hour" on that front, up there with the Teabagging "Obummer is a Marxist National Socialist" crowd. We actual leftists have long since recognized we have no stake in the Democratic Party. Although at various times we can form tactical or strategic alliances with elements of the left wing of the Dem Party, we know better thaqn to stake any hopes or interests in the institutional structures of the party, or its politician leadership. What "conservatives" rarely understand is that the leadership of the Dem Party is constantly "reaching out in bipartisan comity to our honorable friends on the other side of the aisle" (Harry Reid, while "denouncing and rejecting" the Left and demanding total party unity in doing so (Hillary Clinton), often in the most personalized and insulting terms, as "idiots" (David Obey), and "retards" (Rahm Emmanuel). In fact, oje is hardpressed to see any difference between Rahm's expletive-laced diatribe about how "liberals are retards' and that hardy perennial of the internet comment section reactionary right, "libtards." Which raises the interesting point, does Jason stand shoulder to shoulder with Rahm on the Libtard Question?
It's time for the left to sort out once and for all who we can actually work worth. We know that the Rahms etc of the Dem Party structure are useless to us. Who else shouldn't we be bothered with?
Heathcliff_Maw
April 14th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
The point isn't to glorify war crimes but to point out the absurdity of doing so. That's how parody works.
Heathcliff_Maw
April 14th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
You don't smear someone by inviting him on your show and giving him ample opportunity to defend himself against the Pentagon's lies and Horvath's analysis. Yet the interview was a "triumph" for WikiLeaks. Perhaps because it was fair and Colbert allowed–even intended–that to happen?
Anon
April 14th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
//Many of the right people, today, are patting Stephen Colbert on the back for his interview with the Wikileaks founder. He is being congratulated for his moral seriousness, for breaking character to attack someone who, apparently, has really crossed the line. As Andrew Sullivan puts it, "I've never seen Colbert so clearly become his own character on the question of impugning the honor of American soldiers." Indeed.
It's a funny world we live in. Colbert has an opinion on whether or not what is revealed in that video is murder. He's entitled to it. Strange to see him step out of character; this, I take it, was a bridge too far, a crime too great to ignore: calling soldiers who fired round after round onto people attempting to load the wounded into a van and get them medical attention "murderers," well, that's past irony and shtick. That requires open and unequivocal condemnation. It's funny– I consulted older videos of Colbert, online. He has spoken to members of Congress who voted for the war in Iraq several times. He has interview many who were involved in the apparatus of enacting the Iraq war, or who lent their considerable influence to the war effort. He has interview, that is to say, the people who created the material conditions where the victims of this attack were placed in harms way, where the soldiers involved were placed in danger of losing both their lives and their moral integrity. That's war, I'm told; you shouldn't wage it without being willing to risk atrocity.
Yet despite the fact that Colbert has had ample opportunity to react to the people who are directly responsible for such devastation, he has never been so animated when confronting them. He's never broken character to attack those who threw this country and its soldiers headlong into war while enduring none of war's horrors. He's never gotten so visibly offended. He's never taken such an obvious stand, hiding instead behind irony, comedy, and a character. Those, apparently, are his priorities; a man who reveals footage of the terrible consequences of war (no matter how it is edited and editorialized) deserves, apparently, far greater condemnation than the people who are actually responsible for those consequences. In this, I believe, Colbert is perfectly of a piece with the rest of his country, a people who have long since decided to say that they oppose the war in opinion polls but who take that opposition no farther.//
http://lhote.blogspot.com/2010/04/colbert-on-wiki…
gary
April 14th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
yes heathcliff…. colbert is trying to bring this incident to light not bury it…his faux bill riley allows him to ask the right questions and yet make right and left look silly..he is trying to get us to question our assumtions with comedy…how raimondo drew the conclusion that colbert is conspiring to boost obama is the sign of a mind that sees enemies at every turn …, i agree with libertarians on some issues (being antiwar) but to see plots against america at every turn just gets tiresome…you are not helping yourself with these absurd accusations…for a country heading toward facism we sure are having some lively public debates on these issues
Anony-mouse
April 14th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Justin, I strongly recommend that you watch Bill Moyers to understand what is going on here. I didn't read the Mother Jones piece, but I did watch the Colbert interview and you totally have it wrong. Even though it appears that just because Stephen is stepping out of character for a moment, that he strongly disagrees with what Assange has done, that's not the case at all. First off, he gave Assange a platform to speak on, which no mainstream news show has done yet to date in the US.
Second, as I stated before, Colbert really channeled Moyers in this interview, and it was a sight to see. This is exactly how Moyers interviews his subjects, especially when they are from the political world – plays the devil's advocate completely, regardless of his own views (which usually align with those of his subject!), and appears to be grilling the subject and trying to undermine him, when really he is giving the subject the opportunity to completely rule out any arguments against his/her own legitimacy.
Colbert basically gave Assange the chance to do this, something that no one else in the US news world did, and he should be commended for it. On a side note, this reminds me a lot of when Jon Stewart had on Anna Balzer and Mustafa Barghouti, and people also mistook Jon's "grilling" of them to be him trying to smear them, when in reality he was just playing Devil's Advocate.
Seth
April 14th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Justin,
I was disappointed to see you so quick to berate John Young. I was surprised at his quote, so I did a little research. Mr. Young has addressed your comments on his website, and it appears that Mother Jones knowingly used an old quote from 2007 when he had a split with WikiLeaks over transparency issues. At the time, he sat on the WikiLeaks advisory board. They have since joined forces once again. Apparently this is not the first time old, essentially retracted quotes of his have been used to disparage and discredit WikiLeaks. Just wanted to help clear the name of a guy who's usually on our side of the issues.
epppie
April 14th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Right, because conspiracies never ocurr, and are only fantasies in the heads of 'tin foil hatters'…
Lloyd G.
April 14th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
We need an update on Comrade Sandalio. I imagine he's been reborn as an expert on hate groups and is working for the SPLC.
Lloyd G.
April 15th, 2010 at 12:38 am
Mark Potok of the SPLC is interviewed in this Newsweek fear-mongering piece:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/236202
Matthew Stephen Rogers
April 15th, 2010 at 1:58 am
I have to agree with Heathcliff that I think a lot of Colbert's sarcasm zoomed past you Mr. Raimondo. I read your site everyday and have much respect for your principled opposition to war under both corporate sock puppet parties, but I think you miss the mark on this one. I for one give Colbert more than a little credit for being as far as I know the only MSM tee vee person to cover wikileaks at all. Yes he did repeat the one piece of government propaganda in asking about possible gun men (that didn't exist) in the area but overall I thought the coverage was good for "fake news" and probably caused hundreds of thousands if not millions to take a look at the wikileaks site, something both people on the anti authoritarian activist left, and the honorable conservative Libertairan/paleo right would have much more trouble doing than Colbert , you have to admit. IMO your venom is better directed at the cable & network "real" fake news that has done it's best to sweep wikileaks under the carpet a far bigger tragedy in my estimation.
someoneionceknew
April 15th, 2010 at 3:21 am
Colbert did Assange a great service contrary to Justin's take here in my view, but I can't agree with you about Jon Stewart's effort with Anna Balzer and Mustafa Barghouti.
That was a really disgraceful diatribe, through ignorance rather than malice, but disgraceful nonetheless.
lifelonglib
April 15th, 2010 at 4:12 am
Yeah.
I think the main thing that I will be thinking a lot about is dealing with the fact that, Libertarian, Green, or Independent, anyone interesting to vote for is going to be marginalized, made fun of, and if need be demonized. Voting for people that the Corporate Media depicts as clownish, stupid, and ridiculous will take a bit of getting used to, but I guess I got only so much time before I NEED to get used to this as a normal state of being.
anti_republocrat
April 15th, 2010 at 5:04 am
Heathcliff, I used to admire Justin. Now I'm not so sure. I don't understand why he was so careful until 2008 to point out there's a difference between libertarians/Taft/Buchanan conservatives and neo-conservatives on the one hand, but is now totally oblivious to the difference between true liberals/progressives/leftists and neo-liberals.
Justin is acting as though he is either 1) part of the corporate elite that's trying to drive a wedge between anti-war elements of the left and anti-war elements of the right or 2) some sort of martyr who, having attracted liberal support during the Bush years is now deliberately trying to drive them away to prove to himself there are no sincere anti-war liberals and he Justin is a lone voice crying in the wilderness. Come to think of it he might be both.
I'm glad you mentioned the Maddow piece as well. I thought that was a totally unnecessary hatchet job. Maddow is entirely justified in her concern about violence and incitement. His labeling her McCarthyite was way over the top. McCarthy's victims never advocated throwing bricks through windows and never cut any gas lines. There are legitimate criticisms of Maddow but that was not one.
Come to think of it, Justin has always seen the left as some monolithic, hypocritical group that's 100% partisan and refuses to criticize Democrats. He needs to get a clue and spend a few hours perusing commondreams.org. The criticism of Obama there is scathing. Most of them are saying they're going 3rd party, and a few of them are even talking sympathetically about Ron Paul and those among the Tea Partiers who share Paul's philosophy.
If antiwar.com had nothing to offer other than Justin, I'd be outta here.
anti_republocrat
April 15th, 2010 at 5:13 am
It's a good thing for Assange he's an Aussie. Obama has never had a problem with extra-judicial killings of Middle Eastern folks on the mere say-so of some nameless double agent, and now it seems even US citizens aren't safe, but I don't think even Obama is daft enough to piss of an ally like Australia. Nevertheless, if I were Assange, I'd be a bit paranoid, too.
anti_republocrat
April 15th, 2010 at 5:25 am
I'm beginning to think Justin is indeed a corporate shill on everything except militarism and empire. I bet he doesn't understand that limited liability corporations are Statist collectives chartered by government, and wants to just let them have their way on everything with no regulation.
anti_republocrat
April 15th, 2010 at 5:32 am
Obama is far more dangerous than John McCain would have been or than Sarah Palin would be. They at least would have some strong opposition in Congress attempting to do EXACTLY the same things Obama is doing. He has tripled drone attacks on Pakistan and escalated Afghanistan right out of the chute. (After all, he always said he would.) Perhaps the worst thing Obama has done is focus blame on the "left" for his policies, when he's not leftist at all. If anything, his administration has been center-right. Nobody on the left would have done the stuff Obama has done.
anti_republocrat
April 15th, 2010 at 5:44 am
John, there's some truth to what you say in mentioning MSM types, but couldn't you at least use the neo-liberal label occasionally instead of smearing everyone on the left? Nobody had any trouble distinguishing between Ron Paul and knee-jerk Bush supporters, and truly antiwar members of the extreme "right" are far more rare than liberals and progressives who refer to "Obummer".
Seth
April 14th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Stephen Schwartz is always good for laugh…he's probably a "moderate" Shiite now
anti_republocrat
April 15th, 2010 at 5:47 am
Excellent post. I for one have about given up on Justin as an individual, but at least antiwar.com itself still has something to offer.
lifelonglib
April 15th, 2010 at 6:48 am
You make JLS's point to a tee. What is worse? What Obama has… accomplished, or what McCain/Palin would have… accomplished in his place? Sometimes I lean towards what you just stated, that Obama has caused more damage than McCain/Palin would have, other days I think McCain/Palin would have done more harm.
In many ways, Bush was the exact opposite of Conservatism.
In many ways, Obama is the exact opposite of Liberalism.
Either way I am getting more and more comfortable with just sucking it up and voting Green or Libertarian (or other) permanently, depending on which is best at a given time (or sometimes depending on which is even on the ballot).
It is important to vote. Except I am moving toward the idea that the most wasted votes seem to be the votes for the lesser of two evils. Just possibly, lots and lots and lots of votes for third party candidates will shake things up a bit.
bogi666
April 15th, 2010 at 9:49 am
President O'BushBushama is certainly no liberal and anyone who says so is just as much a fool as those whom think he's a liberal. He's a corporate Democrat, a DLC'er who betrays liberal principles of republican democracy. The liberals O'BushBama has duped is pitiful. I'm a libertarian socialist, like Noam Chomsky. I didn't vote for O'BushBama, I voted libertarian, the only true liberal running in the last election, other than Cynthia McKinney.
MvGuy
April 15th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Heathcliff_Maw Yes! I think You got it precisely correct… After reading the M.J. piece twice and seeing the Colbert piece which I found slightly off-putting and overly campy. As you observed, Mr. Assange stayed relaxed and on message while being a compelling figure. If Mr. Assange was ruffled , then why should we be?? Therefor it is not a hit piece. The Mother Jones piece WAS. What is with labeling him a " hactivist"…"Much of the attention on WikiLeaks has focused on its mysterious mastermind, Australian hacktivist Julian Assange." WTF!!?? can be their excuse?? For being so negative and picayune..??? I once sent these people MONEY!! It will be a very cold day in hell when my next contrabution arrives!!!! I can see a day when a whistle blower gets their hands (unlikely) on the roof CTV cameras at the pentagon showing something less than supportive of the official legend…and….M.J. condemning the release as divisive or perhaps illegal…. "Those were classified recordings" M.J. should stick to its core mission of antiwar spokes-organization and leave the carping about withheld evidence being revealed to Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.
Heathcliff_Maw
April 15th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, anti_republocrat. Often there are people who try to over-simplify the political spectrum into two camps: conservative-Republican and liberal/progressive-Democrat. Justin is a former Republican, nonpartisan libertarian and should know better than most that reality is far more complex.
He correctly points out the sameness of the two parties on foreign policy. Now he has to understand that nonpartisans of all persuasions are disgusted by the partisans of both parties. We can speculate on Justin's motives just as he speculates (lately incorrectly) on the motives of those he criticizes, but the bottom line is that the polling consistently shows that Obama's supporters disagree with Obama on the wars. Further, Obama's overall approval rating has seriously declined and is now below his disapproval rating (45% to 48% according to a poll I saw just a few days ago). Justin seems oblivious to those facts. I hope that he is man enough to adjust his thinking.
anti_republocrat
April 16th, 2010 at 1:58 am
The Democratic rank and file want government to do the public good. The Republican rank and file want government to stop doing the public harm. Elected Republicans won't allow government to do the public good, so Democrats "compromise" and do the corporate good instead, blaming the Republicans. Elected Democrats won't allow Republicans to keep government from doing the public harm, so Republicans "compromise" and keep the government from doing corporations harm, blaming the Democrats.
The reality is neither elected Democrats nor Republicans want to do anything but serve their corporate masters while blaming the other side. It's a very slick game indeed.
Eg healthcare. A majority of the public wants a single payer system. Democrats including Obama claim they want it but say Republicans won't allow it. But the Kucinich Amendment clearing the way for states to enact single payer had strong bipartisan support. Obama told Pelosi to strip it from the bill, and she did. Instead, we get a corporate bailout because supposedly that's all they could get past Republican and Blue Dog opposition. The bill was written by corporate lobbyists. Now, the Republicans claim they want to repeal it, but they never will even if they get a 60 vote margin in the Senate. They love it. It's essentially identical to the Romney plan.
lifelonglib
April 16th, 2010 at 5:57 am
The Kucinich amendment had bipartisan support? How much Republican support did it get?
Anthony
June 5th, 2010 at 2:05 am
Colbert's comedic routine is to parody an establishment neo-con/neo-lib talking-head pundit. He had the guest on as part investigative reporting, part satire, part comedic entertainment. He and Jon Stewart take topics that are so depressing they're actually laughable, I think that was the point of this and every other segment Colbert has ever had on his show
Iop
October 17th, 2010 at 3:24 am
Assange is an obvious shill. Wikileaks is run by the government, not for its stated purpose.
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