‘Paulites’ vs. ‘Palinites’
Walter Russell Mead, the Tea Party, and American foreign policy
Walter Russell Mead, the distinguished foreign policy analyst and editor of The American Interest, has taken on the subject of the so-called Tea Party – the populist American movement to cut the size of government – and its attitude toward foreign policy, a topic that has been much cause for speculation. A recent op ed in the New York Times summarizes a longer argument made in a piece for Foreign Affairs, but one needn’t have access to the subscription-only Foreign Affairs piece to understand his basic mistake.
Mead’s seminal book, Special Providence: American Foreign Policy and How It Changed the World, gave us a useful prism through which to view the history of American foreign policy: in brief, he divided the various “schools” of thought regarding America’s relation to the world into four categories: Hamiltonians, Wilsonians, Jeffersonians, and Jacksonians.
The first is a calculated elitism that sees US interests primarily in commercial terms: that is, terms most conducive to the interests of the financial and political elites. Hamiltonianism, in short, is little more than crass mercantilism with a thin cosmetic veneer of Anglophilia. The Wilsonians are self-styled “idealists” who believe the mission of the US is to spread democracy and enforce the concept of “self-determination” (the neoconservatives are a good example, although this messianism also exists on the ostensible left). The Jeffersonians, in Mead’s book, are a small archaic minority, who cling to the view of the Founders that we should pursue a policy of entangling alliances with none and trade with all. Think Ron Paul. The Jacksonians – who, in Mead’s view, have determined the course of contemporary American policy – are an inchoate lot, who mix an explosive belligerence with what Mead characterizes as a “populist and popular culture of honor, independence, courage, and military pride.” His exemplars of the Jacksonian spirit span the spectrum, from John McCain to John F. Kennedy.
This last category gives him lots of elbow room to project his own views onto a wide swathe of the American public, and this is the chief weakness of what is otherwise an admirable attempt to analyze the history of US foreign policy in terms specific to the American experience. That weakness comes across loud and clear when he applies his theory to the question of the “tea party” and American foreign policy.
“In foreign policy,” avers Mead, “Jacksonians embrace a set of strongly nationalist ideas. They combine a firm belief in American exceptionalism with deep skepticism about the nation’s ability to create a liberal world order. The Obama administration is trying to steer U.S. foreign policy away from Jacksonian approaches just as a confluence of foreign and domestic developments are creating a Jacksonian moment.”
Mead correctly points out that the two wings of the tea party – which he labels “Palinite” and “Paulite” (after Sarah Palin and Ron Paul) – both oppose “liberal internationalism”: that is, they are suspicious of attempts by modern liberals to create a manageable “world order” and tie the fate of the rest of the world to our own. This is the much-vaunted “American exceptionalism” we hear so much talk about.
So far, so good, but when Mead gets down to specifics he gets it wrong. Because it looks like his “Jacksonian moment” has already passed: a clear majority of Americans want us out of Afghanistan in the next year, and, more broadly, a recent Pew poll concluded that, when it comes to overseas entanglements, most want the US government to “mind its own business.” The militaristic fervor that swept public opinion immediately after 9/11 seems to have run its course. Chastened by the lessons learned in Iraq and now in Afghanistan, the Americans are wary of foreign intervention – and preoccupied with the economic crisis here at home.
Undeterred by such developments, however, Mead plows ever onward, trying to apply his theory to the “Jacksonian” tea party:
“The contest in the Tea Party between what might be called its Palinite and its Paulite wings will likely end in a victory for the Palinites. The Palinite wing of the Tea Party (after Sarah Palin) wants a vigorous, proactive approach to the problem of terrorism in the Middle East, one that rests on a close alliance between the United States and Israel. The Paulite wing (Rand Paul) would rather distance the United States from Israel as part of a general reduction of the United States’ profile in a part of the world from which little good can be expected.
“The Paulites are likely to lose this contest because the commonsense reasoning of the American people now generally takes as axiomatic that security at home cannot be protected without substantial engagement overseas.
“Terrorist attacks and events such as the Iranian effort to build nuclear weapons are likely to keep that sense of international danger alive (recent polls show that up to 64 percent of the U.S. public favors military strikes to end the Iranian nuclear program). Widespread public concern about perceived threats from a rising China will also strengthen public support for a strong military force and global American engagement.”
Theories are fine, but in the foreign policy realm empirical evidence is the clincher. Mead cites some polls which supposedly show support for military action against Iran – but this is assuming Iran really is building nuclear weapons, and not just harnessing nuclear power for energy.
It’s true the Obama administration is trying to steer the country away from a unilateralist (i.e. Jacksonian) approach to world affairs, but the course it is taking is not steering us away from interventionism: quite the contrary. Wars begun by the Bush administration (arguably ultra-Jacksonian in orientation) have been escalated and expanded by Obama, with no more success on the battlefield than his predecessor was able to show.
The same populist disdain for elites Mead cites as emblematic of the Jacksonians kicks in over skepticism of our foreign policy elites, who yesterday assured us Saddam really did have “weapons of mass destruction” – and today solemnly lecture us that, in Afghanistan, we must fulfill our alleged responsibilities as the world’s policeman.
What Mead calls the Jacksonian tendency in American foreign policy thought is not averse to a quick victory, a crushing blow delivered to the enemy followed by an equally speedy withdrawal, but this is nearly always in response to some catalyzing event: the “sinking” of the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 9/11. It is not so much a considered view as an emotional spasm, an episodic condition rather than a school of thought.
Mead defines the Jacksonians as “nationalist,” but nearly all American political tendencies – with the exception of orthodox Marxists, of which there are very few left – are nationalistic in the broad sense: that is, they take pride in and claim to be heirs to the legacy of the American revolution. They see their own views as rooted in our nation’s history, and its logical extension into the present.
Furthermore, there are two possible interpretations of “nationalism,” one an expansionist messianism that seeks to export some version of the “American system” overseas, and the other a more self-contained and introspective nationalism, which is mainly concerned with its own development. The latter sees in “American exceptionalism” the idea that America, unlike the old empires of Europe and Asia, is exceptional in that it does not seek to change the world except by example. It is a magnet, rather than aggressor, an inspirer of libertarian sentiments and not their enforcer.
Mead’s view that the “Palinites” are winning out over anti-interventionists like Ron Paul is based on zero empirical evidence. After all, the two tendencies are just now squaring off, and it’s too early to tell which side will win. There is some anecdotal evidence, however, starting with the political status of Sarah Palin herself. Polls show her coming in way behind the other likely GOP presidential wannabes, and certainly behind Paul, who regularly comes in second – or, in the case of the recent CPAC conference, first.
This conference, a gathering of conservative activists from around the country, registered a sea change in “Jacksonian” sentiment when it comes to foreign policy matters. There were several panels on the perils of interventionism, and the vote for Paul was significant in that it was largely due to the very vocal and visible youth crowd. Young people came out for Paul in very large numbers, and while the neocon mandarins sniffed that this was just a bunch of “college students,” and therefore of no consequence, in reality this youthful chorus sounds the death knell of cold war era Jacksonianism of the sort Mead seems to favor. For the old Jacksonians are passing from the scene, to be replaced by another sort of populist, one skeptical of elites who glory in – and profit from – a foreign policy of constant war. These latter-day “Paulite” Jacksonians see war as the multiplier of government power – a power the tea party seeks to confront and cut down to size.
I would add that the original Jacksonians were galvanized and defined by President Andrew Jackson’s heroic fight against central banking – the core of the “Paulite” ideology. From the idea that “banksters” control our economy and domestic politics it is only a hop, skip, and a jump to the idea that these same financial elites control our interventionist foreign policy from behind the scenes. In this important sense, Paul and his campaign to “End the Fed” are the true heirs and legatees of the Jacksonian tradition in American politics – and Paul’s anti-interventionism is its logical foreign policy corollary.
I would also challenge the centrality Mead gives to US support for Israel in the Jacksonian mindset. This support is primarily a religious phenomenon: it is based on the pre-millennial dispensationalism of a large segment of the “born again” Christian movement. Yet these millennialists are a minority within a minority, and one that is, furthermore, increasingly isolated in American society – just as Israel is itself becoming more isolated in the international community. And while Israel’s lobbyists continually point to polls purporting to show support for the Jewish state, as opposed to sympathy for the Palestinian cause, these same polls, as Daniel Larison points out, also reveal that most Americans don’t want the US government taking sides.
In Special Providence, Mead himself notes that the four “schools” he defines are very broad generalizations, which tend to flow into one another, and that is precisely what is happening with the tea partiers, who combine characteristics associated with both Jacksonians and Jeffersonians. Mead says “the Jacksonians are unlikely to disappear,” but doesn’t see that they may be undergoing a transformation. Given what empirical evidence we have, it looks to me like they are morphing into a tendency combining a populist distrust of elites with a Jeffersonian commitment to militant anti-statism – and a temperamental aversion to overseas meddling.
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In the past I’ve neglected my Twitter account – it actually took me a while to figure out how the heck it worked – but now I’ve gotten used to it, and, although I don’t use it to get in conversations with people I don’t know, I do indeed use it to broadcast random thoughts by no means always related to the foreign policy field. If you’re interested, go here and sign up.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- BS in Baghdad – May 24th, 2012
- Interventionism and the Elites – May 22nd, 2012
- Obama or Anarchy? – May 20th, 2012
- What Does Ron Paul Want? – May 17th, 2012
- Hillary’s Terrorists – May 15th, 2012





John_Muhammad
March 8th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
"" Mead cites some polls which supposedly show support for military action against Iran – but this is assuming Iran really is building nuclear weapons, and not just harnessing nuclear power for energy. ""
And why does the public have this opinion of the nuclear program in Iran? Because the President, the Generals, the Intelligence community, the media have all been shoving that line of claptrap down our throats for years- the law of averages is bound to swing in their favor of picking up True Believers at some point. If the public knew what was really going on behind the scenes (WikiLeaks gave us a tantalizing first glimpse) they just might be howling for blood like those in the streets of the Middle East.
LarryS
March 8th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Actually, it is pre-millennial eschatology (not post). Most Christians believe that
Genesis 12:3 refers not just to Abraham but to the Israelites as a whole
and I guess,by extension, every Jew who ever lived.
This misinterpretation is what keeps Christians pro-Israel, no matter what.
Thankfully, I escaped Christian Zionism and am now reading "The Ethnic
Cleansing of Palestine" by Ilan Pappe.
Montaigne
March 9th, 2011 at 12:31 am
A nice optimistic outcome would indeed be, if Americans were as bright as Egyptians and as brave.
bogi666
March 9th, 2011 at 3:32 am
American society is narcissistic, consumerist, gluttonous instilled with mindlessness propaganda by happy talk, sociopathic, psychopathic, optimism psychobabble, pretend christian prosperity[gimme 10%]false doctrine.Mindlessness, unable to discern thoughts from facts, is institutionalized by the government, business, pretend christians[biblical harlots] which gives it legitimacy.Americans are not brave or smart.
GradyWilson
March 9th, 2011 at 5:05 am
"Mead’s view that the “Palinites” are winning out over anti-interventionists like Ron Paul is based on zero empirical evidence."
Doesn't the history of the GOP warmongering offer much empirical evidence? Raimondo always talks about "getting back" to a Republican non-interventionist foreign policy" well this is it – a few small minority of GOP voices like Paul who have no political clout (like Taft) vs. their large majority of war loving fellow Republicans. That is the historical empirical evidence that would lead any sober, sane person to the conclusion that the warmongers have always and do control the GOP. One can pretend there is a 'battle' over foreign policy going on but there is no empirical evidence to support this outside of hollow words from alleged non-interventionist Republicans with no political leverage.
RED DAVE
March 9th, 2011 at 5:50 am
Following GradyWilson's comment above, for openers, Justin, in his desperate denial to cobble together a right-wing antiwar movement does violence to the current political situation in the US and he does violence to the facts of American history.
For openers, he says, "After all, the two tendencies ['Palinites' and 'Paulites'] are just now squaring off, and it’s too early to tell which side will win." Well, maybe, but indications are that the 'Palinites' are dominant in the Republican Party and one of his favorite 'Paulites,' Rand Paul, has defected to the other side, calling for a no-fly zone in Afghanistan.
And, of course, Justin has no trouble calling the Tea Party "populists," while studiously ignoring a genuine populist movment in Wisconsin, the historical heartland of populism. The labor upsurge there, which rejects the politics of Palin, Paul and Raimundo, is showing more and more signs of being antiwar, while the Tea Party drinks from the cup of people like Glenn Beck.
More later on Justin's curious view of American history.
Little Paulie
March 9th, 2011 at 6:25 am
America needs some serious "regime change." Ron Paul, 2012.
Sarah Palin is nothing but a neocon stooge who will maintain the status quo at home and abroad. She's the brainchild of Bill Kristol for heaven's sake! How dumb do you have to be to vote for her? The next presidential election will be another charade unless Ron Paul wins. Remember Obama's stupid campaign slogan "change you can believe in"? What has changed since he became president? Nothing. Things are getting worse at home and abroad, and we're probably going to war with Iran soon. Remember how he said he will "end the war in Afghanistan" and "close Guantanamo Bay"? But once he became president he sent more troops to Afghanistan and let the torture go on in our Bolshevik-like prison camp in Cuba?
What's going to happen to America if Ron Paul doesn't win? I shudder to think about it.
One thing is is for sure: the attack on Iran will probably begin around the same time as the next election, and Obama will definitely support it along with a bunch of idiots in the United States, and Ron Paul will be anti-war and then he will look "weak" and "soft on Islamo-Fascism" to the majority of idiots in the United States who have no idea about what is really going on and get all of their "news" from watching TV.
Terrance&Philip
March 9th, 2011 at 6:48 am
"Christian" Zionism: As big an oxymoron as military intelligence or Hip hop music.
emsnews
March 9th, 2011 at 6:53 am
I detect NO time in our history where the US was 'isolationist'. None what so ever. Ever. 'Isolationism' refers to not getting tangled in EUROPE. Otherwise, the door stood wide open to meddling in the Western Hemisphere all the way to the front door of China. Anyone reading US history can see how our government has been relentless in displacing and controlling natives of many lands from the Wild West to Mexico, from Central America to all of South America, from the Philippines to Hawaii, on and on it goes and the GOP did a great deal of this since the Civil War and when the Democrats ran things they…did it too!
We still do it only since WWI, we also do it in Europe and the Middle East! This is why our troubles multiply.
The problem here is obvious: we are doing what we have done since G. Washington only unlike our thrifty ancestors, we are doing it by borrowing tons of money from China, a country that has not forgotten how we meddled in their affairs from 1848-modern times!
emsnews
March 9th, 2011 at 7:19 am
About the sinking of the Maine: it led to a MAJOR war with Spain which was fought mostly in the Pacific, not nearby. The US did steamroller over the dying, bankrupt Spanish empire but this war led to a much longer Vietnam-style war in the Philippines. This barely was brought to a close when we moved right on to WWI. The US had the sense to know that internecine wars between European empires on Europe's lands was dangerous in the extreme. But we had little to no hesitation to fight for or against or alongside (as in China, for example) these same European empires if this was done outside of Europe.
So 'isolationism' is all about avoiding wars with European empires. The Cold War was all about us doing all the military displays against the Russian Empire while, from 1945-1960, England and France sought to expand or protect their dying empires instead of protecting themselves against Russia. This led to the Vietnam War, the Algerian uprising, the Suez Canal incidents, the push to prevent African nations from declaring liberty, etc. Above all, this led from 1920-modern times, England and France trying to colonize and control Lebanon, Palestine (the Jews got their 'deed' to the land via the British), Iraq, Iran, etc.
All these places remind us of hideous wars against the natives the US picked up after the Europeans gave up. We continue this tradition today. We can't reduce our troops in Europe from an amazing 100,000 to 'just' 60,0000 because our 'allies' (sic) said they will sue us if we refuse to protect them from the RUSSIANS by stationing thousands and thousands of troops at our own expense, on Russia's front doorstep.
The US people have to end NATO. NATO doesn't protect America, it creates conditions leading to wars with Russia that are controlled by Europeans, not us. Just as our troops in Okinawa allows 'peaceful' Japan to be extremely belligerent. This winter, Japan has made many territorial demands against both Russia AND China with the US military being the back up, not one Japanese warship is at peril, it is us, not them, who will die fighting and who pays for this pretty package of deals!
We have to exit Japan ASAP.
MvGuy
March 9th, 2011 at 7:29 am
Yaa, Yaa, Yaa…!!! BUT look at what happened when HyperCon Rudy ran his writ large Exceptionalism campaign……. The drag queen photos had their drag and he sank like a stone…. He was just a another crazy opportunist who thought that the voters would never do a google search to find his true proclivities. The thing is….. dress Palin up as Queen she is…Queen for a Con… and show her friend too America's No. 1 Welfare Queen…….Everyone loves Welfare Queens.. Right..??
Bob D
March 9th, 2011 at 7:34 am
I don't fault Justin for trying to find a light at the end of the tunnel. That is part of his job description. Sadly, facts are facts. And there is no light at the end of the tunnel where support for Israel's genocide-like apartied is concerned. The only change we see is going from bad to worse. As for the tea party, I don't remember Sarah Palin being a leader of it during the 2008 presidential campagne. There was only Ron Paul. Republicans choose to ignore the antiwar movement in the tea party. I notice at work, even the bobbl-heads who on some level agree with the principal of non-intervention still go out and vote for John McCain instead of Ron Paul in the Republican primary.
bogi666
March 9th, 2011 at 7:37 am
NATO is about installing extra-governments to supersede any sovereign government that the people of a country would elect. It's called globalization, the One World System,the Beast of Revelations.
scott
March 9th, 2011 at 7:44 am
I'm left wondering if Justin knows what "American Exceptionalism" means. And, perhaps we all have our own ideas of what it means. To me, it it's not only a bigoted view of our country, but it goes further to say that other countries aren't worthy to freely pursue their own interests. It is "Exceptionalism" that needs to be confronted, that let's us meddle in other country's internal affairs, demands trade and security concessions, that betrays their national autonomy. I don't care if someone is a bigot, and is overly fond of their own culture, it's when they want to force it on me in my own home that offends me.
Montaigne
March 9th, 2011 at 7:53 am
So China will become the worst enemy eventually, since the US never had intention of repaying! Hopefully the population disintegrates the US by themselves instead. In fact I just read, that one state is going to use precious metals alongside dollars as lawful means of payment.
RobertB
March 9th, 2011 at 7:55 am
The Tea Party has progressed from infancy to post-middle-age in about 5 minutes flat. If my first impressions were correct, the name and the original idea were inspired by the spirit of the American Revolution and the ratification of the Constitution. Thus, Mind (Y)our Own Business and anti-Federalism should be the guiding principle of the movement, not just to be another vehicle for NeoCon adventurism/jingoism, i.e. a subset of the 'Republican' or Democratic parties, themselves corrupted beyond recognition.
Remember? The Democrats used to get us into war, the Republicans got us out. The Republicans were the 'isolationists', the nasty-word used for non-interventionalists. The actions of the hijacked Republican Party over the last 20 years have destroyed this reputation, apparently forever.
This unofficial Tea 'Party', which inspired many by its simple, powerful and straighforward imagery, has itself been hijacked and divided in no time flat and the only impression one now receives is that of confusion rather than a clarity that unifies. But I suppose the old ways never die: Divide and Rule. Cover all your options and it doesn't matter who wins: we will go forth in the world and Save Everyone in the name of the Empire. Wilsonianism redux.
By the way, how do you force nations into self-determination in spite of their cultural history? If that seems like a logical contradiction, it is.
bozh
March 9th, 2011 at 8:38 am
i suggest that the tea party, cia, fbi, army echelons, police, media wants lees governance in public hands and more of it in the hands of rich or well-to-do individuals.
actually, as i see it, much of u.s. governance is already in possession of top layers of society.
and i suggest that such people [un]wittingly confuse govts [which come and go] with the structure of governance, which never changes an iota in its basics.
the structure of u.s. governance had always been highly inegalitarian, meritocratic, individualistic; much disdainful of some collections of people such as indigenes, latinos, blacks, japanese [during ww2] or any other– in the eyes of the most worthy-meritorious sets of people– less deserving ethnoses.
i suggest tea party wants such a structure to last forever! tnx
bozh
March 9th, 2011 at 8:55 am
"Mead cites some polls which supposedly show support for military action against Iran – but this is assuming Iran really is building nuclear weapons, and not just harnessing nuclear power for energy."
seeing the basic structure of u.s. system of rule, tells us clearly that pols are not structural members of u.s. governance; thus, play no role whatever in deterring, preventing, starting, stopping, or finishing any u.s war.
u.s. foreign policy had not changed an iota. it, or its top classes, always wanted to expand its territory– by any means whatever and whenever the time is ripe for it.
if nuking japan, invading for no reason afgh'n, iraq, does not prove it, what is it u.s. ruler classes have to do to convince lower classes that that's so?
but even so, u.s. lower classes and less worthy voelken will not have a say in any today's or future war or even a domestic policy! tnx
bozh
March 9th, 2011 at 9:11 am
yes, folks! u who note and then say that u.s. or, rather, its people, are not a novelty nor an exception.
but centuries-old snake sale by media, 'educators', clergy, plutos, army echelons had convinced about 99.9999% of americans that america is light onto the world, butiful, peaceful, peace making, godloving, the only country ever to be blessed by god, benevolent, etc.
however, the veil is coming off and we now see a country [in my language a region] much akin to israel, nazi germany. tnx
Chris Moore
March 9th, 2011 at 9:18 am
As I see it, these operationally fascist Hamiltonians/neocons (of which Sarah Palin is a crypto-member) have done their worst and run their course, and the wised-up Jacksonian wing is now tilting back toward the Jeffersonian Paulite and the Jacksonian-Jeffersonian Buchananite wings.
bozh
March 9th, 2011 at 9:29 am
caveat! let's not split asunder u.s. policy into several. u.s. aim or final goal remains one and the same.
neither u.s nor its god can be split in two. there is one god and one planet and it belongs to him-her-it!
only tactics vary, but not ever the telos: obtain the planet by any means available and and keeping america classful; some classes doing the dirty, dangerous, menial work and top one or two classes giving orders to the servant classes.
it is like in a chess game: u sacrifice even the queen [a tactical nanuever] and the end goal being, mating the opponent. tnx for ur Right [right] and Left Ear!
Chris Moore
March 9th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Within this framework, I would also add that Obama and the limousine liberal elites who run the Democratic Party are themselves a combination of Wilsonian and neoliberal Hamiltonian, whereas their union base is more Jacksonian.
So what we have in Establishment Washington today is a gaggle of elitist Wilsonian and Hamiltonian neocon/neolib elites running the country for their own benefit, with the Jeffesonians going largely ignored, and the wide swath of Jacksonian Americans being fed table scraps.
Jeff Albertson
March 9th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Tangential to Topic – Anyone here who can explain why Judge Napolitano is featuring well-known scoundrels e.g. Rumsfeld, Judith Miller (twice!), Bolton, Allen West (to be fair, he's not a first-tier warmonger like the others)? My first reaction is that this is somehow a rehabilitation of the neo-con stooges, but Napolitano is respectfully confrontational and their answers are, of course, ambiguous denials and evasions.
Thus my anti-thesis is that rather than making/showing the libertarian right as more accepting of the Jacksonian jackasses, it's rather that the judge is showing them that if they behave we'll not dwell on the past and let their talking points expire. No harm, no foul?
The show itself is awesome and 100% Paulian, which is why it seems strange having these chumps on at all. Any true Scottsman would know they were liars, and we already know the lies, so what is the purpose of making me throw things at my tv? It's particularly strange that the show is even allowed to air except as a trial balloon to get as many libertarians as possible onside against Obama, especially if Obama wins, they can say it's because we were "too extreme". (after 2012, we can go back to packing sand, in any case). Luv the show; can't quite figure the angle.
jackasses
bogi666
March 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am
The purpose of NATO is to impose extra-governmental control over regions without the cumbersome burden of elections by the populace so that NATO can appoint governments by edict that do not represent the people but represent NATO, like Kosovo.
bogi666
March 9th, 2011 at 10:41 am
exceptionally stupid happy talk, sociopathic, psychopathic, optimism psychobabble to further instill mindlessness in the American public.
conumishu
March 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Foreign intervention resulting in unfair advantages, foreign intervention triggered by messianic call or arbitrary imposition (through direct force or soft force – sanctions, embargo, manipulating international organizations or ngo's) of trends, political or economic choices are manifestations of imperialism. From a non-american point of view it is irrelevant if american nationalism has the upperhand or internationalist interventionists use US to achieve their goals. Same goes for financial elites. Maybe they're mostly US citizens and hold dear US, at least businesswise, yet they are often and clearly manipulating US politics for their international interests.
So let's call imperialism by its name and notice there is an anti-imperial movement in US which doesn't really need legitimacy from a nationalist perspective. In fact, palinistas are the only one who need such sophistication (bordering sophistry), mainly because they are actively stealing the Ron Paul revolution and because they loathe the foreign anti-interventionism it so clearly stated. Far fetched, like identifying palinistas with some Jacksonian tradition would logically imply Sarah had any idea about what AJ stance was. On anything.
jeff_davis
March 9th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
"And why does the public have this opinion of the nuclear program in Iran? Because the President, the Generals, the Intelligence community, the media have all been shoving that line of claptrap down our throats for years-
Precisely, and why IS that?
So take it a step further, John. Simultaneous to saying the nuke program is for weapons, is the program of demonization. "The Irans are madmen; killers; religious fanatics; completely irrational; who wake up in the morning with those glaring madmen's eyes and who take straightaway to screaming "death to America the Great Satan". (A nice mix of self-absorbtion and fear-mongering, don't you think?) It's a very small step from there to "And when they get Nuclear weapons they will immediately use them to attack Israel, the Saudis, and US military bases in the region. Mushroom cloud, mushroom cloud mushroom cloud . Be very afraid. They're madmen after all."
Clearly, we are not talking about the borderline reasonable concern that folks who don't like the US, might be developing nukes for deterrence. No, the Israelis, in control of the US congress, and like they did with Iraq, want to manipulate the US into bombing the Iranians back to the stone age. And the Israelis are working as hard as they can to accomplish that, just like they did with Iraq. The program of demonization is just laying the groundwork, a necessary first step to making this monstrous violence seem justified, to make it seem necessary.
GradyIsAcunt
March 9th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
You = a POS, but I actually agree w/this particular post.
No Republican can get ahead w/o "supporting the troops" and endless war.
RED DAVE
March 10th, 2011 at 5:17 am
Just as a quick news note, members of Ron and Rand Paul's party voted to strip the public employee unions of the bargaining rights last night. No word so far from either of these staunch enemies of the ruling class about this loss of civil rights.
emsnews
March 10th, 2011 at 5:39 am
Men like to see 'pretty' women especially if that woman is a 'bimbo' which is why Palin's many errors, silly blurting out of insane sounding, cute stuff is so appealing to so many men. Why men want bimbos is a whole huge topic. As someone who was a smart female in college, I assure you, many men went out of their way to say they did not want to date me because of my brains.
Realizing that the army of airhead females delivering the news, much of which is full of BS and propaganda, is precisely because the media owners know that men's brains shut down when they see a pretty girl talking nonsense! Ahem. This is why so many right wing females who play the sex kitten are doing so very well.
mpolzkill
March 10th, 2011 at 6:18 am
Yep, yep and yep, no Democrat either.
jackbootstate
March 10th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
"…Widespread public concern about perceived threats from a rising China will also strengthen public support for a strong military force and global American engagement.”…"
Why this assumption that American "engagement" with the world must be joined at the hip with an F-16 and a full payload of Cruise Missiles? An American who goes to Egypt today to show solidarity with the revolutionary uprising there is also "engaging" with Egypt, but in a constructive rather than a counterproductive and destructive way. It's amazing how prevalent the notion is that the only way to engage with, say, Egypt is to give Mubarak all the help he needs to keep his brutal dictatorship going. I'm really tired of this assumption that if you're against the U.S. engaging with the world as a military bully, it means you're an "isolationist".