One would think that after nine years at least some of the anger, the horror and shock of the 9/11 terrorist attacks would have dissipated: but no. A glimpse at the headlines, a few days before the somber anniversary, disabuses us of this hopeful notion: a crazed pastor out in the boonies somewhere is burning Korans, and the commander of our forces in Afghanistan feels compelled to respond, as does the President. The proposal to build a Muslim community center blocks from "ground zero" – modeled on Jewish community centers ubiquitous in New York – is met with furious opposition, and the "anti-Islamization" movement spearheaded by bigots takes off, with mosques all over the country under attack. Physical attacks on Muslims, or people perceived as Muslim, escalate: a New York City cabbie is assaulted by a crazed Islamophobe, and people who have lived in this country for the whole of their lives are afraid.
What’s going on? Andrew Sullivan, writing on his popular blog, writes he is "at a loss to understand why so many have reacted so ferociously to this project." After all, Imam Feisel Rauf, the Muslim cleric who wants to build Cordoba House, is a moderate who has condemned Islamic extremism: Rauf was sent by the Bush administration overseas to act as an ambassador of good will to Muslim countries. So where is the ferocity coming from?
To find the answer to this question, we just have to follow the money, and thankfully Ken Vogel and Giovanni Russonello over at Politico have done just that. After detailing the money coming into the Cordoba House project from mainstream donors like the Rockefellers, they write:
"There’s also big money behind the mosque opposition, as highlighted by the relationship between [David] Horowitz’s Los Angeles-based nonprofit, Jihad Watch – the website run by Spencer "dedicated to bringing public attention to the role that jihad theology and ideology play in the modern world" – and Joyce Chernick, the wife of a wealthy California tech company founder.
"Though it was not listed on the public tax reports filed by Horowitz’s Freedom Center, Politico has confirmed that the lion’s share of the $920,000 it provided over the past three years to Jihad Watch came from Chernick, whose husband, Aubrey Chernick, has a net worth of $750 million, as a result of his 2004 sale to IBM of a software company he created, and a security consulting firm he now owns.
"A onetime trustee of the …Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Aubrey Chernick led the effort to pull together $3.5 million in venture capital to start Pajamas Media, a conservative blog network …
"The David Horowitz Freedom Center had a budget of $4.5 million last year, according to its tax filings, of which $290,000 came from the conservative Bradley Foundation, which also gave $75,000 to the Center for Security Policy last year. Horowitz has received an average of $461,000 a year in salary and benefits over the past three years, while Spencer has pulled in an average of $140,000, according to the center’s IRS filings."
Laura Rozen follows up on her Politico blog, detailing the trail of donations from 2008 990 filings for Chernick’s charitable foundation, the Fairbrook Foundation, listing all the familiar suspects – CAMERA, Horowitz, MEMRI, Frank Gaffney’s Center for Security Policy, the Israeli nationalist "Stand With Us" campus project – and a few less familiar, such as the American Friends of Ateret Cohanim, dedicated to thwarting our stated policy of no more settlements where it counts: in East Jerusalem.
Millions pour into the coffers of these groups, all of which are dedicated to one overriding principle, one goal: advancing Israel’s national interests in the US. The serpentine convolutions of the Chernick connection, linking one front group to another, encircle the political and temperamental spectrum, ranging from the Jewish Federation Council of Greater Los Angeles (over $900k) to the many hundreds of thousands given to hardline neoconservative outfits like the Hudson Institute, the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, not to mention Pajamas Media ($7 million, in collusion with venture capitalist James "extensively experienced in multimillion-dollar technology transfer and license agreements " Koshland) and a mass campaign to distribute DVDs of the virulently anti-Muslim film "Obsession."
The aim of all this giving is to create and sustain an obsessive hatred of Muslims, all Muslims, and garner support for Israel. The fulminations of Newt Gingrich and the flaxwn-haired harpies of Fox News, who rail against the "ground zero mosque" seem, on the surface, to make no sense. Are they really saying that they want the US to declare war on the billion-plus Muslims who inhabit the planet earth? This, after all, is precisely what Osama bin Laden has repeatedly said: that all the world’s Muslims must unite under al-Qaeda’s bloody banner because the West, in alliance with Israel, is out to destroy Islam, and it is therefore the duty of the faithful to wage jihad against the US.
The Israelis, having long ago declared war on all the other nations of the region, want us in their camp, and that is precisely what occurred with stunning speed before the smoke cleared from the site where the World Trade Center once stood. "We’re all Israelis now!" exulted Martin "Palestinians are subhuman" Peretz, over at The New Republic. Benjamin Netanyahu, who is today the Prime Minister of Israel, told an audience at Bar Ilan University “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” according to the Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv. The attack, he averred, “swung American public opinion in our favor” – and now that he and his fellow extremists are in power in Tel Aviv, they are making sure public opinion stays in their favor.
The craziness that ensued in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks had to be sustained if Israel was to take full advantage of the moment – a moment their intelligence operatives anticipated, according to Fox News, in a four-part series by their topnotch journalist Carl Cameron, which started out as follows:
"Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.
"There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are “tie-ins.” But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’"
Fox News has never retracted a word of this story, although they did – after pressure from the Israel lobby – delete it from their web site. It was never mentioned again, at least in "respectable" quarters, and, to be sure, it was never forgotten, thanks to the Internet, where Carl Cameron will be exposing the Israeli connection to the 9/11 terrorist attacks unto eternity.
Cameron’s noting that "more than sixty" Israelis had been arrested immediately after 9/11, along with and under the same legal rubric as thousands of Arabs, had also been noted here in this space, before the Fox News broadcasts. Why, I asked in a column, was the US government rounding up Israelis, of all people – unless there was some kind of Israeli connection to the attacks? The answer came in Cameron’s reporting, and subsequent stories in the "mainstream" media: the Israelis, whose intelligence services had been very active on our soil in the months leading up to 9/11, had been following the hijackers, shadowing their every move, without telling us – almost as if they were protecting them rather than trying to stop them.
What happened on September 11, 2001, has changed the shape of history, and certainly determined the utterly disastrous course of US foreign policy since that day. We have launched a war of retribution against the entire Muslim world, a vast campaign of bombings, drone attacks, occupation, and terror unleashed on the peoples of the Middle East, from Iraq to Pakistan. This is precisely why the Israelis didn’t tell us what Mohammed Atta and his co-conspirators were up to, although – if we take Fox News seriously, and I realize there are plenty who don’t – there is no doubt that they had it in their power to stop the whole operation before the hijackers had a chance to strike. All they had to do was tell us – and they didn’t. This is the "intelligence failure" – not the lack of centralized information, not the competition between the CIA and the FBI – that made the 9/11 terrorist attacks possible: the perfidy of our Israeli "ally."
The Israelis didn’t dive-bomb the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with commandeered airliners: Atta and his gang did. Yet they could have prevented it – but why should they have? After all, the attacks have swung public opinion in their favor, as Netanyahu boasted – surely a foreseeable development.
Today, nine years after the event, the Israel lobby is using the anniversary of the attacks to whip up anti-Muslim hysteria to a fever pitch, and they have plenty of bucks to do it. These people – who, as Juan Cole points out, represent a minuscule fraction of the pro-Israel population in the US, and stand out like a couple of sore thumbs from the overwhelmingly liberal Jewish community – mean business, and there’s only one way to fight them. It’s time to play hardball – just like they do.
I was warned, before raising the possibility of an Israeli connection to 9/11, that I was touching a live wire, that my career – such as it is – would be destroyed, and that I would be banished to the hinterlands, where various obsessives trade conspiracy theories and argue over whether it’s the Bilderbergers or the Illuminati who control the world.
It hasn’t happened, but I wouldn’t care if it did. As Ayn Rand once said: I’m not brave enough to be a coward – I see the consequences too clearly. We see the consequences of 9/11 all around us, in the hate-wrinkled face of the Koran-burning preacher, in the shrill shrieking of Pamela Geller whose anti-Muslim rallies in the vanished shadow of the Trade Towers are as ugly as she is: we see it in the faces of Pakistani refugees, huddled in disease-infested camps, as they flee the US invasion of death-dealing drones.
Think about it: the leadership of a nation that betrayed us, that watched, impassively – or, perhaps, gleefully – as Islamist terrorists wreaked deadly havoc on our two biggest cities, has a vast and well-funded propaganda network in this country dedicated to stoking hatred of Muslims. And they are certainly doing a very good job of it.
How do they get away with it?
So, you want to know the "meaning" of 9/11? It is, as Martin Luther King put it, this:
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
I’m taking my show on the road this autumn, to campuses around the country, talking about some of the ideas expressed in Wednesday’s column on "Anti-Interventionism: The Left-wing Tradition." My talk is entitled "Why Has the Left Sold Out the Antiwar Movement?" – which is sure to provoke a controversy, or at least that’s the hope.
The libertarian student movement, organizing nationally under the leadership of Young Americans for Liberty, is the most exciting – and important – development since the birth of contemporary libertarianism itself. Murray Rothbard, who founded the modern libertarian movement in his living room (and, back then, believe me, it was just big enough to fit in his modest-sized living room), would be thrilled if he were alive today. That’s because they’re hard core, and hard workers, busy building a burgeoning organization dedicated to ending the Fed and ending the wars the Fed makes possible. Who would’ve thought?! That’s one reason I’m taking this tour, but another is to engage in dialogue with the left: to wake them up to the fact that a united antiwar movement, organized around the single issue of US military intervention overseas, is a moral imperative.
If you’re interested in booking me at your campus, write wendy@antiwar.com, or call the Antiwar.com office, at: 510-217-8665.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013
- Carla del Ponte’s Faux Pas – May 7th, 2013





a grateful reader
September 9th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Nice column.
This mosque controversy seems largely media driven. Sullivan asks why "so many" have reacted the way they have. Are there really that many? Perhaps it is only a reflection of the circles I move in, but I have heard not one person–in person–criticize the mosque project. Then I am always amazed when I walk by a television and see and hear the breathless, apparently nonstop, coverage of this "controversy." "This is *still* in the news?" I invariably ask myself, and sure enough another week goes by and they are still beating their drums.
Regarding the events of Sept. 11, 2001, I recall a discussion I had with a Japanese friend just a couple of years ago. "How could you [plural - people in the United States] never ask why it happened?" Nearing ten years after the fact, most of the country has never understood why it happened. I don't know if it is because of the Zionist-controlled media, which filters out the truth, or because Americans just don't have the spine to look themselves in the mirror. I hope it is only the former.
As another note in the margin, Philip Weiss' Israel-oriented website carried a story today about the status of the lawsuit Rachel Corrie's parents are pursuing against the Israeli. The story has an interesting quote from the testimony of an Israeli military officer: "There are no civilians in wartime."
Read it here:
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/09/%E2%80%9Cthere-are-…
I don't suppose that Netanyahu expressed that sentiment to the U.S. government immediately after the Muslim commandos bombed the World Trade Center and the Pentagon that morning of Sept. 11. He certainly doesn't cite that rule when it is Israeli civlians who become the victims of this ongoing war for Palestine (which, it bears noting, has metastasized into spinoff violence all over the globe: witness Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran Yemen, Bali, Spain, London, New York, Arlington).
keithISGREAT
September 9th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
I understand what you have to do justin and I can read between the lines. I don't have any assets so I can call it like I see it. Israel was behind 9/11 period. Atta and his gang were most likely framed by the Israelis or they were paid by the Israelis. But rest assured Israel was the only powerhouse entity to pull off such a major operation.
JPA
September 9th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Great post, Justin, but stick to the facts: The pastor only threatened to burn a Koran. None were burned and he announced today he was not going to burn any.
Mezenc
September 9th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Justin,
You know more evidence that Israel was in on the 9/11 attacks than that ANY Muslims were responsible. Silence, indeed. Your silence about the lack of credible evidence that Muslims did 9/11 makes you complicit in everything thats happened since, the wars on Muslims, the surveillance state, the torturing to get "confessions," and the hate campaign against Muslims in the US and worldwide. Nine years and you haven't demanded to see the evidence.
sherban
September 9th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
An excellent article.Unfortunately the most journalists are enough brave to be cowards.
James O'Neill
September 10th, 2010 at 12:04 am
Mezenc is absolutely right. There is plenty of factual evidence to support the argument that the Israelis were part of the 9/11 events and they were not acting alone. Someone organised the usual Air Force responses to go missing that day. Someone organised a massive cover-up of evidence. Someone put nano-thermite in WTC 1, 2 & 7. Someone persuaded the mass media to go along with the official story even though it does not survive a moments close scrutiny. It most assuredly wasn't Atta and his friends. There is not in fact any credible evidence of Muslim hijackers aboard any of the planes. The 9/11 Commission report relied upon Ted Olsen's report of what his wife Barbara told him in two cell phone calls from Flight 93. The FBI's sworn evidence to the Moussaui trial said that the phone calls never occurred. Again you won't read that in the mainstream press. To blame the Israelis is a gross oversimplification and for someone of your intelligence Justin it is disappointing that you essentially repeat the same BS about 9/11 that the government wants us to believe, albeit with an Israeli spin. That doesn't cut it any more as anyone with the wit to actually look at the evidence would immediately see.
davidgrayling
September 10th, 2010 at 12:58 am
9/11 occurred as a result of American imperialism and its continuing attacks on Muslim countries.
Other attacks on American soil will occur as the Taliban has promised. What is America going to do? Kill every Muslim in the world?
Trying to run the world using force will never work. Many empires have tried it and failed. The world is too big and has too many people.
If Americans looked in a history book they would realize their mistake. But then Americans mistakenly think they write history while they continue to prove they are merely victims of it.
Elias Davidsson
September 10th, 2010 at 1:04 am
Indeed. There is no evidence that Muslim terrorists (the 19 "hijackers") actually boarded any of the four aircraft that allegedly crashed at the known landmarks. The 9/11 Commission did not demand conclusive evidence (such as authenticated documents and testimonies) about the identities of the alleged hijackers. At the Moussaoui trial, no such documents and testimonies were produced. It follows that Mohamed Atta and the other 18 "hijackers" are innocent. They were probably murdered by the real perpetrators. Now, in addition to this criminal cover-up, we have people attempting to shift the blame to Israel and whitewash the US establishment. Far more likely is that the US elite attempted to involve Israel, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan in some aspects of 9/11 in order to be able to blame these countries later on. Or does anybody believe Israel could perpetrate 9/11 without the blessing of the US administration?
Montaigne
September 10th, 2010 at 1:20 am
I wouldn't argue against your allegations, but when there is no accountability, they are useless anyway. So the main problem is the lack of ACCOUNTABILITY making the government and the state ILLEGITIMATE. Your are living in a lawless society, controlled by spin regardless of true/false or right/wrong. You have collectively painted yourself into a corner, and the screaming and pointing at this or that brings you NOWHERE. Only the deliberate, dignified Martin Luther King way might eventually work to bring more of a peaceful, balanced society into existence, I submit.
bogi666
September 10th, 2010 at 3:10 am
The good pastor was/is being paid for the burning threat. That's all he's after and the threats were so widely reported it seem severals MSM outlets were bribed to trumpet the threat.
Ground_Control
September 10th, 2010 at 3:28 am
The FACT that there is not ONE airport security camera photograph of the alleged "hijackers" doesn't seem to matter. The FACT that an Israeli security company (ICTS) were in charge of all airports where the alleged "hijacked" planes departed doesn't seem to matter. The FACT that 8 of the alleged 19 "hijackers" turned up alive and well and that their passports were stolen in an obvious frame-up, doesn't seem to change anything in bizarro world either. Gee, maybe I'm confused.
Johnney Feedback
September 10th, 2010 at 3:58 am
‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’"
Classified information, yea that's the ticket!
How likely is it that some guy hiding in a cave somewhere in Afghanistan was able to organize a sophisticated operation like that?
Ira7Epstein
September 10th, 2010 at 5:11 am
September 11 has become a date for a 24 hour hate against all Muslims, however, stirring up hatred against Muslims and support of Israel are not the primary reasons for this hate Muslims campaign/ As Ron Paul pointed out the primary reason is to garner support for the USG's policy of perpetual war in the Middle East/ It is very hard to have a war and not have an evil other to hate/ And who benefits from the USG's policy of perpetual war in the Middle East? The primary benificiaries are the Merchants of Death, the defense contractors who have seen thier profits soar since the beginning of USG's policy of perpetual war in the Middle East/ The political agenda of the Likud party of Israel and its vision of a greater Israel is also advanced by this policy of perpetual war, but I think this is only secondary to the goal of fattening the wallets of the defense contracters, and maintaining ever increasing amounts of military spending, If you follow the money, as you suggest, the money leads to the MICC with the Likud lobby and its wealthy supporters going along for the ride to further thier radical Zionist vision of a greater Israel/
john
September 10th, 2010 at 6:08 am
Criticism and active debate about foreign and domestic policies are essential to Representative government. And quite frankly, with regard to the wars and the bailouts, the current administration is just a continuation of the policies of Bush/Cheney and the neo-cons. Thus the conflict that so many people will be really taking sides over in November has become emotional, with an irrational element that The Republican Party, to its disgrace, has adopted as their power base. The GOP has become entralled to the same wackos that demagogues like Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, and such, speak to each day–the so called angry whites who rationalize their pathetic lives with the belief that affirmative action has kept them out of medical school, law school, the military academies, the police academies and such; the tea-baggers, and the recruitment to Republican ranks continues with those wing nuts, who, for so many years existed on the fringe of society, now being given a forum and encouraged to think their insanity is the new norm. Thus we witness the anti-Mosque hysteria, the stabbing of a New York City taxi driver because he is a Muslim, and now that lunatic Pastor Terry Jones, and of course the latest entry: Donald Trump
Ralph
September 10th, 2010 at 6:28 am
How did Atta and his "co-conspirators" get 3 steel towers to collapse – for the first and last time in history – from 2 airplane crashes? How did they get NORAD to stand down? How did they get the Pentagon to "misplace" $2.3 trillion on 9/10 and then ensure no one in the mainstream media following up? How did they get major media outlets and the presidential cabinet to linkl the Iraq War to 9/11? Like 6 of the 10 9/11 Commissioners, its time to give up on the official version and investigate the real meaning of 9/11. Mossad and the CIA didn't just allow it to happen, they caused it to happen. For investigating the tip of this iceberg, Justin is already patting himself on the back for his "courage". Meanwhile, he obliquely condemns those "obsessives" and "wacky Bilderberg conspiraacy theorists" with real courage to have researched historical patterns of goverment-led false flag attacks and mass media coverups leading citizens into war (e.g., the sinking of the Maine, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, Project Northwoods). This is the worst kind of gatekeeping and superficial journalism – besides all the other journalists not investigating 9/11, of course.
liveload
September 10th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Atta could speak fluent German, why is it that "Atta" could not speak a word of it to his flight instructor? That's just one tiny issue. With all the evidence out there, I have a hard time understanding why people still insist on sticking their heads in the sand when it comes to 9/11. Those events have propelled our Imperial aspirations into overdrive, e.g. the Reichstag fire. We are commiting the exact same atrocities that the Wehrmacht commited. We are persecuting peoples of one particular group en mass. We are pushing the borders of a global empire, e.g. Lebensraum. The dying gasps of our Republic silenced by the thunderous footfalls of Facists in lockstep, we still sit there and wonder how the German people could have let the National Socialist Wokers Party perpetrate their crimes. Will it end when the armies of the world march through the shattered, smoking ruins of our country on their way to occupy, administer, and prosecute? You think Nuremburg was big, just wait till it's our turn. Yeah, just go ahead and stick your head back in the sand while the fascist war machine grinds itself and us into oblivion. People just don't get it, or they don't want to.
V for Vendetta
September 10th, 2010 at 8:00 am
The Holy Bible says; "the wages of sin is death." The same could be said for military empires. The road to military empire always leads to slow, painful and agonizing death. Just look at the destruction of our American liberties, the rise of our national police state and the American economy which has been shattered and stands at the very brink of total destruction.
And, by the way, Justin, the evidence is irrefutable for one who takes the time and effort to search for it and analyze it; 911 was an inside job. Americans, you have been lied to. Go here for the truth while you still have the opportunity: infowars.com.
liberranter
September 10th, 2010 at 8:56 am
That's almost certainly the case. It simply makes no sense in the real world that ANYONE outside of his own town would care, or even notice, if some pea-brained, pseudo-Christian redneck with only a few dozen followers commits an act of public stupidity. Such an act does not a news item meriting national or international make. This is an act of premeditated agitprop with Washington Beltway origins, pure and simple.
Lokis
September 10th, 2010 at 9:26 am
if the largest lobby group in the US – the American veterans – 27 million of them would get off their collective back sides and look at the patterns leading to the conclusion of an inside job and link that to the endless wars that just might be the spark that would ignite a fire to purge the US from its neocon nightmare. But MSM and even people like Justin – with their own agendas and goals will not let the public really decide anything. We all will reap the whirlwind.
Montaigne
September 10th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Some here speaks for "Bilderberg" and Illuminati. But think about it: how on earth could such vague genralities and considerations be enacted with decennium-rare meetings and no running upholding of their vague and remote general thoughts and directions? It is simply NOT credible or LIKELY to be facts. A day-dreamers escape of reality in my oinion – this Bilderberg sublime power on the entire earth and their leaders.
Maid Marian
September 10th, 2010 at 9:37 am
"Criticism and active debate about foreign and domestic policies are essential to Representative government. And quite frankly, with regard to the wars and the bailouts, the current administration is just a continuation of the policies of Bush/Cheney and the neo-cons."
Somewhere, sometime in the future, historians will recognize and acknowledge that our country became a de facto oligarchy unbeknownst to the electorate. The government's forms were all kept the same, but the ends and means of the ruling class were consolidated toward goals shared by both of the major parties.
How many Romans living any time after what we now recognize as the fall of the Republic truly knew that the Senate was filled only with flunkies of the emporer and time-servers?
There is nothing new under the sun.
Good luck
September 10th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Remember: "Fight them over there so we do not have to fight them over here", any half way intelligent person would dismiss that, but that in addition to "Freedom isn't free" were the 2 slogans repeated over and over. If that Mulsim thing, named provocatively for Cordoba is built near the Ground Zero holy battle ground that means we are not fighting them over here, we are losing it over here.
Mock Terry Jones all you want, he got a personal call from Robert Gates, and comments from Obama, Petreaus and Clinton. Terry Jones is threatening to collapse the NATO war effort. Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, MoveNowhere.org, Ron Paul, Kucinich, blah blah blah have spent a decade and gotten nowhere. You may find them repulsive but the anti war movement is Terry Jones(web site take offline + media blackout), Nick Griffin(BNP, currently being threatened with imprisonment and being harassed by lefty anti fascists), and Geert Wilders(Dutch Freedom Party), Westboro Baptist church(regularly in court), and maybe Julian Assange(being investigated). The constant legal harassment indicates who is viewed as a threat and who is not.
Andrew Sullivan for his part is at a loss as to how the war party lost control of its stupider elements.
Comparing Muslims to Jews is ignorant as part of the war party's manifesto has always been restoration of Israel. That aspect may even go back to events like the Crusades and the Crimean War. It is one reason Jewish organizations are scrambling to figure out a way to placate the loonies.
muslim-arab-american
September 10th, 2010 at 10:10 am
"after the Muslim commandos bombed the World Trade Center and the Pentagon"
would you please look into the 911 truth movement? — no muslims could have placed the explosives in the THREE buildings 1,2,AND 7 and there was no commercial plane that hit the pentagon
BTW HuffingtonPost has an official ban on comments suggestive of the 911 being anything other than the official story – i've been banned from commenting (kinda shows you the deep placement of mossad operatives or israeli firsters in the popular media online)
peace
a grateful reader
September 10th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Okay, I'll have a look at it. Will you help me? Based on your post, the 911 Truth Movement would appear to believe it has a number of grounds for skepticism. But this is too much for me to take on at once and for you to have to develop by yourself right here in the forum.
So I have a proposal. I think if I was aware a single issue/fact/omission that raised a doubt, I might be persuaded that it is worth looking into more. Why don't you pick a single issue/fact/omission that you believe supports your case, substantiate it here in the forum (using reliable sources), and maybe you can persuade more people that the story that Arabs angry with the United States about its foreign policy decided to retaliate on 9/11 is worth a closer, more critical, look.
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
wow – way to go stirring up anti-semitism.
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Don't waste your time……….911 Troof is riddled with haters, anti-semites and fascists. It's a vehicle for hate – against Israel – with absolutely no foundation in evidence.
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Wow – you're crazy?
911 Troof is a vehicle for hate – anti-semitism. No evidence for any of your hare-brained conspiracies. But anti-semitism is a mental illness, and no evidence is needed to sustain it. Confirmation bias will do all the work.
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
nano-thermite?
based on a hokey report by a questionable "professor"? published in a a vanity press…….which Troofers claim is peer-reviewed. Only problem is, it wasn't peer-reviewed, the editor of the relevant vanity press journal resigned over the article's publication without her knowledge. But nevermind the facts, and the problems with Prof. Jones' work…..just let conformation bias take you where you want to go…..anti-semitism.
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
What are muslims going to do? Kill every American?
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Turkey? Saudi? Pakistan?
Gives the lie to your claims about "if any other country were even thought to be complicit in 9/11 their aid at the very least would be terminated and hordes of USG spies and assassination squads would be deployed to that country."
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Sorry, but the fact there are airpoirt security cameras photos of the hijackers is a FACT, and obviously has completely passed you by, even as you ruminate on what does or doesn't matter.
No hijackers have turned up alive. NONE. Not very good at these facts, are you?
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Do you know who built these "caves"? They aren't like little potholes, hewn from rock by men in sandals.
And don't be so patronising – just because you think Muslims are stupid and incapable of such a thing, doesn't make it true.
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Funny, but I see a hate campaign against Israel and Jews – look at the comments and look at 911 Troof?
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Prove your claim about that flight? else retract it?
james
September 10th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
You are such a moron, get your head out of your butt and look around you. All the alleged hijackers were Saudis, your pussies in the white house attacked Afghanistan and iraq.
Please go back to the rock you crept out of.
Andrew
September 10th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
You're a brave brave man Justin. I think you may be too bold in suggesting that it is clear the Israelis had foreknowledge of the attacks- though there is certainly some reason to believe this may be the case. It's certainly something that needs to be explored and disseminated as much as possible. I suggest being ultra-factual and avoiding any and all emotional rhetoric and to keep plugging away at this topic.
mike d
September 10th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Thanks for the article J.
Garner
September 10th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Just out: the Defense Intelligence Agency is attempting to ban a book that records Atta's identified presence in the U.S. by the DoD as early as 2000. Also, that this "Able Danger" news was reported to the 9/11 commission and summarily ignored. The DIA response to this real investiagtion into 9/11 is censorship and attempting to buy the first 10,000 copies of the book with taxpayer money – all in the name of our national security. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/09/milita…
Maid Marian
September 10th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
FTA: "Horowitz has received an average of $461,000 a year in salary and benefits over the past three years, while Spencer has pulled in an average of $140,000, according to the center’s IRS filings."
Well, well, well. Horowitz is as mercenary as the Christian Zionists, who are in it for the money.
How far the mighty have fallen. As most other professional "do-gooders," Horowitz did "good" and now has done very well, indeed.
bogi666
September 10th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
uh huh, if the shoe fits wear it
rsmllc
September 10th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Nonsense, and where is the evidence for Fantastic's smears? Readers of AWC are too well aquainted to hoe neocons use the same marginalization tactic to fall for this junk. or those honestly seeking to see a summary case for 911 truth in one place, Killtown's list of over 270 documented 'smoking gun' issues is still very helpful:
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
MoT
September 10th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
I don't hate Jews or Arabs, both "semites", so you're nonsense is just that… nonsense.
MoT
September 10th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Away with you, troll.
MoT
September 10th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
And jet wreckage, of planes "piloted" by individuals barely capable of flying a single engine light plane, doesn't just vanish into thin air twice on the same day with nary a peep from the official organs. Coincidence? Not for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.
Jean Jacques
September 10th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Um, Mr. Epstein, why do we have a policy of perpetual war in the United States if not to support Israel? Follow the security and follow the grab of land and natural resources in one of the most coveted regions on the globe, before you follow the money.
Ira7Epstein
September 10th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
I see alot of criticism of the policies of the Israeli government, but I do not see any hatred directed towards Jews/ The only way you could say this site in anyway promotes the hatred of Jews is if you define anyone who does not agree with every jot and tittle of the political agenda of the Likud party as a Jew hater, or anyone who does not defend every military action of the IDF, not matter how bloody and inhuman, as an act of self defense could you say this site promotes a campaign of hate against Jews/ Your lame attempt to stifle criticism of Israel by shouting Jew hater is not going to work/ Peddle you BS elsewhere/
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Rubbish.
Guest
September 10th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
There is a big play going on to shirk the blame and pin it on the "other" group. That is why all the sudden we got all this anti-muslim news items going. The Israel arm of this atrocity committed against Civilians in the U.S (and subsequently the middle east)., is spooked they will get the entire blame.
The facts show that all are involved. It was a Neo-Con/ Israel-Mossad Inside job.
The military was involved ….Obviously, due to the stand down order….. Certain financial elements were also complicit, as well as the British and Pakistan Intelligence and of course the 11 Saudi Arabian men (8 of ALLEDGED highjackers turned up alive)
I see there are some spooked "spooks" on this thread. You should be.
look into Able Danger….Anthony Shaffer's army contracted group that was watching Atta and others for a year. Their testemonies were entirely ignored.
NIST and the 9/11 Commission showed NO IRREFUTABLE AND "WITHOUT A DOUBT" EVIDENCE that the official Government story was a fact. In fact, there was little "fact" about their scenario, which amounts to this: An extremist group (Al Queda…which nobody had heard of) plotted in Afghanistan caves……and came over to the US and took classes in how to fly airplanes (using similators etc) and fooled the entire Military/Financial/Industrial Complex!!!!
Ya know, this is such bull shit and anyone who can believe this kind of trash is either insane, emotionally controlled, or ignorant……maybe all three.
I mean come on…I figured it out after the 2nd or 3rd day after 9/11, when the news reports FAILED TO TELL ME WHO got into those buildings to plant explosives. ALSO, they started the bombing within about a month, WITH NO INVESTIGATION, just a bunch of hot aired emotional bull shit.
I knew something was not right from beginning. It is nice to know that some of the more "intelligent" people are now starting to figure it out. What the F*ck took so long!!! G*d dam you for not paying attention………..Over a million people are dead because people went along with the emotional hype!!
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
Brave? Stupid, and content to stir-up anti-semitism, yes.
Guest
September 10th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
I usually don't comment on such things here, but you asked politely and I think there is something important to contribute. You asked for one thing? Easy. It's where all serious inquiry begins: Building 7.
World Trade Center 7 (a.k.a. the Salomon Brothers Building) was a 47-story skyscraper and was part of the World Trade Center complex. Built in 1984, it would have been the tallest high-rise in 33 states in the United States. It collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, 2001. It was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers.
Just one look at the video of the building buckling at the roofline, then collapsing at near freefall speed into its own footprint, should convince anyone that something about the official story is not correct.
Duglarri
September 10th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
I'm sorry to see so much talk here about 9/11 conspiracy, when the real focus should be on the here and now, on what's really happening, right now, and Justin has just laid it out: Israel is engaged in a massive official campaign to cause Americans to hate Muslims; they're recycling American aid money and sending it back to pay anyone they can hire to spout on about the evil Islam does. And it's working.
Of course it's in their interest to keep the spigot open any way they can; the more scared Americans are, the more shiny F-16's they can look forward to, gifts of the taxpayers of the United States.
If Israel was surrounded and occupying land formerly owned by Buddhists, we'd be bombarded with propaganda about the evils of big statues of fat guys.
This whole "mosque controversy" is a classic propaganda operation, a non-issue whipped up to influence public opinion, a Zimmerman telegram for a new century. How much money is behind this? Wake up, people! You're being had!
Mr Fantastic
September 10th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Hey, Mr Raimondo – you must realise you are stirring up anti-semitism. How do you justify it?
Whilst you end your article lamenting Islamaphobia, you appear content to stir-up anti-semitism – look at the comments you attract?
You are surely not unaware that some people take your pronouncements as thinly disguised and careful confirmation of their anti-semitism. Why isn't the rise of anti-semitism a consequence of 911 too? Don't you read your comments?
musings
September 10th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Nice effort, Mr. Raimondo.
As it happens, I was recently in New York, but I did not go to Ground Zero, and plan to avoid it like the plague for any subsequent visits. When I was in one of the more interesting places in the city, the Met, I toured the newish Medieval Europe exhibit, where there are several reliquaries set up to showcase these anonymous splinters once (today?) venerated as the wood of the True Cross. Amazing thing about bogus souvenirs, as well as the underlying mythology. The staying power – wow! Who's to say what our descendants will believe about 9/11. Even my kids kind of smile at me when I tell them to doubt the official story. When I'm dead and gone, what will their own children believe?
Ike Hall
September 10th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
If that's the case, then onwards and upwards. Thus far, Mr. Horowitz's campaign has caused the murder of one protester in Afghanistan as well as the arson of a community center in Tennessee. I'm afraid it's going to get much worse as soon as They The People figure out they have nothing to lose.
indianchief
September 10th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Thanks again Justin for being a voice in the wilderness.
I don't claim to know whether the allegations against the israeli services are true or not. Would I be shocked it they were true?Yeah I would be SHOCKED. Anybody remembers the bombing of our marines in beirut ( September 1983) according to so many credible sources they knew but didn't tell. why? for the reasons detailed in the above article.
Roger
September 10th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Yes, some people feel that Israel is behind every calamity.
Yet the hijackers in the planes were from Saudi Arabia. I haven't any any Jews living there.
Did I miss something?
What it planned in that extremist violent synagogue in Riyadh? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.dail…
Roger
September 10th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
mark
September 10th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
Hi. Well said! Too bad about Huffington. But I'm not surprised. That site is full of cypto-Israelis. They are the masters of political censorship.
emsnews
September 11th, 2010 at 5:44 am
The very, very first person killed on 9/11 was a top Mossad anti-hijacking expert. He was sitting, surprise surprise…right next to the hijackers in first class (two of the others were in second class). The first thing the hijackers did was slit his throat before he could react.
Mossad was all over this business and probably had been tracking Atta since he lived in Germany. Atta's dad was famous within the Muslim Brotherhood movement in Egypt. The 9/11 Truthers are the biggest liars on earth because they work all day trying to eliminate all real evidence of the 9/11 attacks including the Mossad involvement in tracking Atta, they wipe out Atta himself!
Back in October, 2001, I warned people to not listen to the insane and inane 9/11 stories because DARPA was trying to misdirect us so we look insane. I really think the 9/11 movement was co-opted by DARPA just like the Tea Party movement was co-opted by FOX tv and the Republican imperialists.
Mezenc
September 11th, 2010 at 7:51 am
Exactly. If Israel was involved, it was not the major role. Israel could not plan the "war games" distraction nor order a stand down of NORAD and no way could Israel do the cover up. If Israel was involved, it could very well have been with the idea that involving Israel is an insurance policy against a thorough investigation, an insurance policy that any investigation will be half-assed. Congress and the media back away at the mere possibility of holding Israel accountable for anything, not the use of weapons we provide them which they are not supposed to use on civilians, not the use of forged passports, not the sustained air and sea attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American sailors.
Mezenc
September 11th, 2010 at 7:57 am
Some of the 19 hijackers are probably still alive but the ones that died, likely died no where's near an airplane or a skyscraper. They were taken, killed and a few possessions kept to be planted. How anyone accepts that Mohammed Atta packed his passport and drivers license in his luggate is beyond me. People do not pack their passports and drivers licenses in luggage.
Someone was collecting the names and identities of Muslims, especially Saudis, who were pilots or had taken flying lessons. Witness the 2 Bukharis, who CNN reported were on the flight manifests. But then it turned out that one had died a full year earlier and the other was alive in his apartment and cleared of any connection to 9/11. Their names would never have gotten into the mix unless someone had been collecting names before 9/11.
Jean Jacques
September 11th, 2010 at 9:58 am
emsnews,
Can you provide us with some evidence to substantiate your claim about an alleged anti-hijacking expert and whose throat was slit?
R.C. Williams
September 11th, 2010 at 10:39 am
I'm all for free speech, but the mods REALLY need to get rid of this troll.
He contributes nothing to the discussion here.
R.C. Williams
September 11th, 2010 at 10:46 am
The mods really need to add an "ignore" function here, if they're going to allow trolls to run rampant.
the_big_wedding
September 11th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Agent Mr. Fantastic: minus 15 votes and counting. No very fantastic, are you?
the_big_wedding
September 11th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Agent Raimondo is the last person I want to lecture me on the "meaning of 911".
911 and false-flag terror has been used to implement a global police-state control matrix using the Muslim boogie-man; the so-called "war on terror" pretext for the imposition of a global austerity programme, an IMF "re-structuring" that will convert the world's nation-states into "toll-booth" economies; through "bear attacks" by hedge funds (PIGS: Portugal, Iceland, Greece, Spain), CIA/MI6/MOSSAD coups (Iran 1953, Honduras 2009, Georgia 2004, Ukraine 2004, Lebanon 2005), or out-right armed invasions (Palestine/Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran); creating a world economy owned by the hyper-rich and resulting in the deaths of millions of upon millions of people through loss of environmental protections, socialized medicine, pensions, and chronic under-employment all the duty of the elected officials of the now shattered nation-state.
911 initiated the last, culminating stage of the shadow war wage on the world and its peoples. We are 7 billion up against a cabal of US/Israeli/Euro-trash. We need our leaders to acknowledge this, not some disinfo agent, with his limited hang-outs menat to distract us, while the process continues unabated.
Archie1954
September 11th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
And while you're at it why not mention the bought and paid for Congressional members who will vote to support Israel even against the best interests of the US, and actually have done so many times in the past. Where was their anger when Israel attempted to destroy the USS Liberty and in the attempt killed a large number of American servicemen? Not a word spoken against Israel. Boy these guys must have been paid very well by the Israeli lobby. These people are traitors and should be treated as such.
Henry_Clemens
September 11th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Attention: James Corbett, of The Corbett Report, presents "911- Truth is Still the Issue" in nine youtube videos. His premise is that there are many, many unanswered questions as to what really happened on that day and that it is vital to the long-term welfare of the American people to know the whole truth concerning the events of 9/11. The videos are outstanding and I urge everyone to view them. Go here: http://corbettreport.com/
RobertB
September 11th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
Now if you really like complicated mosque stories, check out this, in the Observer:
http://www.observer.com/2010/politics/untangling-…
Just the part about the Christian who became an Orthodox Jew and married a Jewish woman only to end up converting to Islam and marrying a Muslim woman…but I think you get the idea.
PT
September 11th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Anti-semitism? Really? Do you mean that in the original sense of "prejudice against people of the Jewish race", or in the modern sense of "anything less than gushing praise for Israel"?
Listen, Junior Foxman Ranger – the fact that Jewish people were subjected to horrendous persecution seventy years ago does not give the modern State of Israel carte blanche to do whatever it pleases today without a word of criticism. Save your tired old insults for my father, it might have bothered him.
musings
September 12th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Daniel Lewin may have been a Mossad agent. He was a wealthy businessman too, with a big chunk of Akamai Co. Whether he was killed by a hijacker by having his throat slit is something we cannot know.
"Of that which we cannot speak, it is best to remain silent." Whichever perpetrator one imagines, it is easy to weave tales and scenarios. The problem is that the ultimate holder of evidence – the Bush administration and various Pentagon bureaucrats – have already proved untrustworthy in the run-up to the Iraq War. Therefore, those who rely on them for the narrative of 9/11 will be deceived. But those who rely on impossible eyewitness accounts from impossible cell phone calls will also be deceived.
All that really matters seems to be the cui bono side. If we reify their purposes by turning 9/11 into a religious holiday, interweaving government and religion, we are going to be sorry about it. But I think this is what will be in our national mythology for decades to come. We are headed for a new dark ages, where the word enlightenment is twisted into "illuminati" nonsense. What the whole 9/11 story needs is a good shave with Occam's razor, or possibly a new parallel narrative in which the whole thing is treated as hoax (not most of the deaths, however) and one shows the "how done it" of such a hoax. Some Canadians have already succeeded in doing this.
solly
September 12th, 2010 at 8:50 am
I have to laugh. David Horowitz, the erstwhile supersocialist and red diaper baby……as soon as he can, scarfs up a truly socialistic income of…what was it? $461,000 a year? Sic transit gloria Davidi…
Arby
September 12th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Just a Hasbarat attack – perfectly normal these days.
To enroll in the Canadian faction, visit: http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2009/01/a-message-from…
You will receive a daily bulletin telling you what to say and how to say it when you post to anything allowing comment.
Arby
September 12th, 2010 at 11:43 am
To enroll in the Canadian hasbarat faction, visit:
http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2009/01/a-message-from….
You will receive a daily bulletin telling you what to say and how to say it when you post to anything allowing comment.
Hacklheber
September 12th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
"suffered minimal damage"
This premise is wrong. Its structural integrity was all foobared to hell:
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html
Hacklheber
September 12th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
"Nano termite" is total claptrap that could fit into an X-files episode. I suppose people peddling that kind of B.S. are too young to have seen that series and thus too young to appreciate realistic scenarios.
Ira7Epstein
September 12th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
I am wondering how Justin is stirring anti-semitic hysteria?
Does he frequently refer to the Jewish religion as satanic?
Does he attribute the lunatic rants of a Rabbi who justifies the killing of babies to all Jews?
Does he slur all Jews and thier religion with the term Judeofascism?
I am a regular reader of Justin's column and I cannot remember him doing any those things/ I also listen to some loudmouths on hawk radio who frequently slur all Muslims with the term Islamofascism, allow thier callers to demean the Muslim religion by calling it satanic, and attribute to all Muslims the views of a lunatic fringe of the Muslim religion/ The people stirring up hatred are the gasbags on hawk radio, the Likud lobby, and the people growing rich off of the USG's policy of perpetual war in the Middle East/ These people are stirring up hate against Muslims not Jews/
I know on thing/ Justin is more tolerant than I would be/ I cannot believe you are letting this cretin falsly accuse you of stirring Jew hatred on your property/
mother
September 12th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
more entertainment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3-JdCrd71Y&fe…
Augustus
September 13th, 2010 at 3:16 am
"I don't have any assets"
Hmm. Maybe that's because you're a brainless conspiracy nut!
Elsewhere you express a desire to "attack" Israel and launch a "war" on her. Did you have a momentary brain-freeze when you wrote that, considering this site is called ANTIWAR.com? Or are you ALWAYS that thick-headed?
keithISGREAT
September 13th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Well for the most part I AM anti-war. But obviously I imagine thateven the most anti-war people would support self defense and the rightfor nations to take a stand fight occupiers and evil. I'm anti-warexcept when it comes to Israel. I imagine you will find many peoplewho consider themselves anti-war who would agree with me and mystance.
Augustus
September 13th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
"I'm anti-war except when it comes to Israel"
That should be the slogan of this website: "Except when it comes to Israel."
At least you're capable of revealing an ugly truth about your ilk. Too bad you stick to the lie about your intentions being purely "self defense". You clearly said you want to "attack" Israel. I guess you never learned the difference between defense and AGGRESSION.
You can try to fool yourself all you want, but to me you're just another bloodthirsty bigot who's come out of the closet. Must be tough for you "antiwar-except-Israel" folks right now, seeing a majority of your countrymen riled up about Imam Rauf's building in Manhattan, rather than about Israel. You'd be much happier if they were rounding up Jews instead.
Augustus
September 13th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
"I'm anti-war except when it comes to Israel"
That should be the slogan of this website: "Except when it comes to Israel."
At least you're capable of revealing an ugly truth about your ilk. Too bad you stick to the lie about your intentions being purely "self defense". You clearly said you want to "attack" Israel. I guess you never learned the difference between defense and AGGRESSION.
You can try to fool yourself all you want, but to me you're just another bloodthirsty bigot who's come out of the closet. Must be tough for you "antiwar-except-Israel" folks right now, seeing a majority of your countrymen riled up about Imam Rauf's building in Manhattan, rather than about Israel. You'd be much happier if they were rounding up the Hebes instead.
keithISGREAT
September 13th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Someobody needs to do the heroic thing and take this enemy of peaceout. Most people have the opinion that it was right for the US to goout and heroically take out the evil Nazis. Well it's the samescenario, the Israelis are worse than the Nazis and it is up to thefreedom loving, people of the world to take out this scourge of themiddle east.My intentions are self defense. The Israelis are the Aggressors andthe Victimizers! There needs to be a country brave enough, strongenough and willing to take all kinds of name calling to just stand upand do the right thing. For our children and our futures! They willthank us.And in regards to your referencing of the Mosque thing, clearly theisrael lobby and the neocons are doing everything they can to milkthis and keep this in the media to further their “islam isevil-all-enemies of israel-shall-perish” mantra. It's not working onrational Americans who can see that Israel is the problem and theystarted the whole thing by building settlements and stealing land thatwasn't theirs and illegally invading countries. It's the ARABS thathave a right to defend themselves. All you Israel lovers have itbackwards and are just plain WRONG!
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Keith, you are not anti-war. You advocate violence and bigotry against everyone you hate.
You just are 'anti-resistance' to your agenda of hate.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
I advocate violence against bullies and murderers. I advocate justice!
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Thank goodness. So, you supported the peaceful protesters after the rigged elections in Iran?
You didn't supporting the oppressive police who abused and victimized those brave students, did you?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
So much for even pretending you are 'anti-war'.
Most peace activists wouldn't want you hiding behind them in the cause of violence.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
You're referring to those communists who were trying to bring down thegovernment paid by the USA like in 1953? No, that was a facade. Thatwas a farce. Don't you find it convenient that at the same time youstart hearing in the media about how evil ahmadinejad is and how evilIran is this so called democracy movement and rigged elections comeout? It was all fake. The Students were not the voice of the Iranianpeople. They were western stooges. You should really read up on whatthe Americans did in 1953 with Iran. The same tactics they used in1953 they used in 2009. So now it's been two times the US has tried tooverthrow their government.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
You're referring to those communists who were trying to bring down thegovernment paid by the USA like in 1953? No, that was a facade. Thatwas a farce. Don't you find it convenient that at the same time youstart hearing in the media about how evil ahmadinejad is and how evilIran is this so called democracy movement and rigged elections comeout? It was all fake. The Students were not the voice of the Iranianpeople. They were western stooges. You should really read up on whatthe Americans did in 1953 with Iran. The same tactics they used in1953 they used in 2009. So now it's been two times the US has tried tooverthrow their government.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
You're referring to those communists who were trying to bring down thegovernment paid by the USA like in 1953? No, that was a facade. Thatwas a farce. Don't you find it convenient that at the same time youstart hearing in the media about how evil ahmadinejad is and how evilIran is this so called democracy movement and rigged elections comeout? It was all fake. The Students were not the voice of the Iranianpeople. They were western stooges. You should really read up on whatthe Americans did in 1953 with Iran. The same tactics they used in1953 they used in 2009. So now it's been two times the US has tried tooverthrow their government.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
I am anti-war. I was against the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war and allthis iran subversion activity. I just think that we should cut off allrelations with the criminal bandit state of Israel. We should justsanction them to death. You know like the US did with IRaq and howthey're attempting to do with Iran?
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
I am anti-war. I was against the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war and allthis iran subversion activity. I just think that we should cut off allrelations with the criminal bandit state of Israel. We should justsanction them to death. You know like the US did with IRaq and howthey're attempting to do with Iran?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
So, being anti-war doesn't help you see that a poor unarmed girl named Neda should not have been murdered in cold blood?
Anti-violence means not harming the children, not using guns to kill people who are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You don't get it, do you?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Poor Neda.
And you claim to be anti-war with her lifeless eyes staring out at the world demanding an end to violence.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
So, not only do you support the regime who uses guns and violence, but also arrests them so they can take them to prisons and rape them?
Why do support anyone who wants sex with communists?
Keith, anti-war is about non violence. About finding ways of having 'dialogue' instead of riding along on a motorcycle and murdering those marching. It's about not letting hatred kill people who don't agree with you.
How can you even pretend to be 'anti-war'?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
So, you want to use force, just not let anyone realize you want force?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
The use of violence only makes more violence, as an anti-war kind of person can't you agree that the world is too full of hatred and guns and violence now?
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Being antiwar means not to be brainwashed by pro-war propaganda.Demonization propaganda being put out by the Mainstream media. Beinganti-war means that one should be furious at what the US government iswilling to do to get the US to buy another war!
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
I am anti-war. I don't want to go to war over a propaganda piece. Thatwasn't war. That was a murder. I never said I was anti-violence oranti-guns or anti-murder. I want to see justice. Justice for that girlas well. You will see that the CIA was involved in the murder of neda.You will see that because they did the same thing with Chavez and theydid the same thing with Iran in 1953! They have done this time andtime again for stupid Americans to eat it up. Their propaganda is veryweak and shallow. Neda was killed by mossad or CIA.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
I am not against guns or violence. You need to put things inperspective. People who burn buildings and smash windows and threatenthe lives of Iranian civilians will be arrested and thrown in jail. IfI went out and destroyed public and private property I would be thrownin jail as well. The Iranians support their government. More than theUS I might add. You support communists who were trying to subvert ademocratically elected government.Anti-war is not non violence. Non-violence is non-violence. Anti-waris anti-war. I am not against violence if their is a bully beating upon the little guys. I for justice!I am anti-war against Iran. I can see through the propaganda the US isspewing. You can't.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
It's not using force. Sanctions are a choice. Sanctions are a choicethat I'm not gonna trade with you. That's all. It's just me and myfriends saying, don't do business with them and if you do, you can'tdo business with us. Make a choice.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
The world is full of hate and violence but unless you address theunderlying forces, you are doomed to have hatred and violence.The use of violence by Saudi arabia and Israel is horrific. but nobodywants to talk about the hatred of Israel and Saudi Arabia. No theywant to hate the enemies of the Government.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
I don't say the violence anyplace else is excused. But how can you expect anti-war decent folks to let the death of Neda go unchallenged?
A poor defenseless unarmed student just living her live, and cut down by violence for in a senseless death.
How can you not condemn the murderers who did it?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
But you didn't say sanctions against Israel!
You just keep bouncing around from all the kookie conspiracy theories about 9/11 to Neda was a communist. You're just too loony to describe.
You probably even own a gun.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
You're not against guns and violence.
That's all we needed to know.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
You just said in a previous comment that you are not anti-war or 'anti-gun'.
The rest is just lies you are saying to have the folks here overlook that.
Either you hate violence and want a world full of peace or you don't.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Oh come on. If someone gave you a gun, would you have it destroyed or not?
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
The death of neda is the same as the deaths of people in africa andasia. That happens all over the world. justice will be served to thoseCIA agents and assets who pulled that off(neda)I don't condemn the murderers. Just like I don't condemn the murdersof the children in gaza by Israeli planes and tanks.I want to justice because I know that the US was behind it.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
What does owning a gun have to do with being antiwar? Have you everheard the phrase walk softly and carry a big stick? Why do peoplelearn karate as the karate kid says? So they don't HAVE to fight!Neda wasn't a communist but these “protesters” were for sure.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
What does owning a gun have to do with being antiwar? Have you everheard the phrase walk softly and carry a big stick? Why do peoplelearn karate as the karate kid says? So they don't HAVE to fight!Neda wasn't a communist but these “protesters” were for sure.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
What does owning a gun have to do with being antiwar? Have you everheard the phrase walk softly and carry a big stick? Why do peoplelearn karate as the karate kid says? So they don't HAVE to fight!Neda wasn't a communist but these “protesters” were for sure.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
What does owning a gun have to do with being antiwar? Have you everheard the phrase walk softly and carry a big stick? Why do peoplelearn karate as the karate kid says? So they don't HAVE to fight!Neda wasn't a communist but these “protesters” were for sure.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
I'm not. You think anti-war is the same as Anti-violence andanti-guns. It's not. Violence is a natural occurrence when there isscarcity. It's natural for animals to fight over scarce resources.Eliminate the underlying mechanisms and then you will have real changeand real solutions.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
For the most part I am anti-war. I have made this clear. I am forjustice and I understand the notion of self defense and justice andheroism etc.I DO want a world full of peace, but in order for peace you need tounderstand the underlying mechanisms of what causes war, violencepeace etc. etc.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
I'm not. You think anti-war is the same as Anti-violence andanti-guns. It's not. Violence is a natural occurrence when there isscarcity. It's natural for animals to fight over scarce resources.Eliminate the underlying mechanisms and then you will have real changeand real solutions.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
If somebody gave me a gun I would take it home with me. Why do youassociate anti-war and non-intervention with Communism? I understandthat you are a communist but I am not.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
I'm not. You think anti-war is the same as Anti-violence andanti-guns. It's not. Violence is a natural occurrence when there isscarcity. It's natural for animals to fight over scarce resources.Eliminate the underlying mechanisms and then you will have real changeand real solutions.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
I'm not. You think anti-war is the same as Anti-violence andanti-guns. It's not. Violence is a natural occurrence when there isscarcity. It's natural for animals to fight over scarce resources.Eliminate the underlying mechanisms and then you will have real changeand real solutions.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
For the most part I am anti-war. I have made this clear. I am forjustice and I understand the notion of self defense and justice andheroism etc.I DO want a world full of peace, but in order for peace you need tounderstand the underlying mechanisms of what causes war, violencepeace etc. etc.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
You think the death of neda was a cia plot?
You are nuts.
What other conspiracies do you believe in?
If you wanted justice you would be outraged over her death.
Poor Neda. She deserved more from the world than neglect and being forgotten as so much garbage.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
So you want to have arms all over the world?
Don't you want to have a peaceful world?
You sound like Bush when you say that stuff!
I bet Rumsfeld would want you on his team!
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
You disgust me, I have heard about people like you that think having bigger guns solves anything.
You make the world a dangerous place, Hitler had a right to his tanks, but did it make him any safer?
You're nuts.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Cut and paste, you're probably even a republican with the stuff you're saying here about wars and guns and people not mattering when they were killed by state sponsored terrorist acts!
How can you pretend to be anti-war?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Empty words from an empty person.
Go have a cup of coffee and go hunting with Cheney why don't you? You both probably like big shot guns, so you can feel safer, no doubt.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
And none of that is stuff people usually brag about on a site dedicated to stopping war and the violence that goes with it.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
And you brag about liking wars and guns and things dying?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Violence doesn't need to be a naturally occurring event.
But people like you always seem to need to drag it out.
It's people that accept the need for war that make a site like this necessary.
Some people actually reject the need for that kind of violence.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Anything else you want to tell us here?
Why not just admit it, are you in the military or something?
You seem to not care about Neda or the other students, are you in the Iranian military or something?
No wonder you care so little the death of poor innocent Neda.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Sounds like the normal excuses for violence.
We will never rise above it, not as long as people like you excuse it.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
And do you think Hitler had an excuse for defending Germany when he started world war 2?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
I am not a communist, there are pacifists because of the human spirit wanting peace in the world.
Don't you want peace in the world? Or are you having too much fun with your guns?
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
I am anti-war. You're not anti-war either. You're a communist. Nedawasn't killed by the state, david koresh was.You're just demonizing Iran because you want war.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
I'm pro all forms of technology. Unlike you. You're a Luddite.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
What are you talking about? I was talking about addressing theunderlying mechanisms for war and violence.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
I have said I want justice. I don't like wars. I'm anti-war for the most part!
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
What are you talking about? I was talking about addressing theunderlying mechanisms for war and violence.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Of course it doesn't. But if you don't address the underlyingmechanisms of war and poverty and violence you're gonna get nowhere.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
I have said I want to see justice for neda. How many times do I haveto say this?Why don't you address the kids killed in gaza?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
I am not a communist, I just love freedom and hate war!
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
I am for justice and standing up to bullies. You have a right todefend yourself if you're being attacked. So if the germans were beingattacked they had a right to defend themselves.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
So you would want to hunt with guns and stuff?
And you admit it in the same sentence with Dick Cheney?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
And when you do that, you excuse war.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
And when you do that, you make excuses for war.
And why do you keep posting the same thing over and over, have you been around guns so much you're retarded or something?
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
For the most part, other than guns and stuff.
How dumb do you think anti-war people are?
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
If you don't address the underlying mechanisms of war and violence youget nowhere.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
You are a communist. It's pretty obvious.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Yeah, tell me that after you get back from hunting with Cheney and explain it to me then.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
No I don't I look at things scientifically. You can be anti-war justlike me. But if you want to DO something about you have to attack theunderlying mechanisms of war. And that is scarcity.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
And extra guns and arms around the world aren't part of that underlying mechanism?
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
guns have nothing to do with Anti-war. Guns are actually GOOD for theanti-war movement.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
Yes, Hamas killed a few throwing Fatah out of the strip, they just couldnt' stand the corruption from Fatah any longer.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
I am anti-war. Against the Iraq war, WW1 WW2 viet nam etc. I amanti-war from an economic standpoint as well. War is waste.completely, it is waste. It is detrimental to the environment andsociety as a whole.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
No. It's scarcity. People have always fought and gone to war overscarce land and resources. That is the anthropology of war.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
No you don't. Where do you get that? Explain yourself. Guns AVERT war.guns prevent war!
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
I am anti-war. Against the Iraq war, WW1 WW2 viet nam etc. I amanti-war from an economic standpoint as well. War is waste.completely, it is waste. It is detrimental to the environment andsociety as a whole.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Freedom is a myth and I am anti-war for the most part but I know thatif I sent you to Africa with little resources and land you would fighta war with a neighboring tribe tomorrow!
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Don't even put me in the same sentence as you. Yes, you don't hate guns, you don't think all the weapons around the world are part of war, and you think more make the world safer?
You're nuts enough to think arafat died of aids!
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
You have said it all.
It shows exactly where you're coming from.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Hunting is not war.
keithISGREAT
September 14th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
No the kids killed in gaza by the Israelis.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Right, talk to the hand.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
And love guns and everyone having way too many guns.
You are just beyond belief.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
You just keep talking, the more you say the worse you look.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
And guns aren't part of that?
Arms are a mechanism for war.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
And you think you're anti-war.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
You actually believe that too, don't you.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Getting shot is always painful and Neda died because of people like you.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
Go clean your guns.
Roger
September 14th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Go clean your guns.
Fascist!
BuckWheat2
September 15th, 2010 at 5:20 am
Sure did.
BuckWheat2
September 15th, 2010 at 5:26 am
'Looks like you found an even dumber keithisstupid.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Having weapons are part of being anti-war. If nations like Iraq wouldhave had nuclear weapons WAR would have been averted. It's the lack ofguns and protection and the means to protect yourself that allowsbullies like the US government to pick on innocent countries thatdon't have guns. North Korea will never be attacked. They actuallyhave guns.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Well hopefully you understand now.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
I have known for the last ten posts that you are a stupid troll. But Itried to be optimistic and I hoped for the best.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
If you are anti-war you want people to have guns. You sound like amajor communist.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
So you deny the mountains of evidence that shows that war and violencehas been a result of years of scarcity?
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
No they are not. Arms are a form of protection and are an outgrowth ofscarcity. Just like property.Deprivation and scarcity are the ONLY underlying mechanisms of war. Intoday's world, war is a racket. Lots of money is made in war.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Yes I do. It's science.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Neda died because of the US government just like those children in gaza.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I will.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
What about the guns that killed kids in gaza?
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Nope. That would be the United States. Merging of corporate andpolitical power. That defines the US to a tee.
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Hitler had science, and he was still a monster.
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
You people with guns always blame the other guy, don't you?
You're worse than Bush!
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
That's just what Hitler thought.
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Yes, you're just the same kind of mindset that Hitler had.
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
You defend the very things that Hitler did on the run up to WW2, and will think this anti-war site is the place you should defend those positions?
And you call me a troll? You warmonger!
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Go play with your guns, but have a couple or three drinks first.
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
War monger!
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
By people with a lot of guns and weapons.
You are a war monger.
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Hamas listens to no one, why would I comment on it? Any death by violence is one death too many, like Neda.
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
And people with guns use that as an excuse.
You are a warmonger!
Roger
September 15th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
And it describes you, you sound more warlike that Donald Rumsfeld!
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
That's ridiculous. Humans have science. Everything in your little lifeis science.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
What are you talking about? I was talking about the holocaust in gaza.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
No, that's what the evidence shows.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
No I don't. You don't even know what you're talking about. You're justspouting a bunch of stuff trying to scare people or something.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
You're not here to have a conversation, you're just here to be stupid.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
TO be a warmonger you have to be trying to get a war started andthat's not me. Sorry. It's the people demonizing Iran that are theREAL warmongers. They don't have nuclear weapons and they are not athreat to the US so obviously I'm anti-war.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
So all those deaths of hamas freedom fighters by the Israelis is onedeath too many. You have to feel sorry for the Hamas freedom Fightersif you feel sorry for neda, who was killed by Mossad or the CIA. Youdon't care about all those children killed in Iraq by warmongers likebush and cheney and the Israelis.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
So all those deaths of hamas freedom fighters by the Israelis is onedeath too many. You have to feel sorry for the Hamas freedom Fightersif you feel sorry for neda, who was killed by Mossad or the CIA. Youdon't care about all those children killed in Iraq by warmongers likebush and cheney and the Israelis.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
So all those deaths of hamas freedom fighters by the Israelis is onedeath too many. You have to feel sorry for the Hamas freedom Fightersif you feel sorry for neda, who was killed by Mossad or the CIA. Youdon't care about all those children killed in Iraq by warmongers likebush and cheney and the Israelis.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
no I'm not. You are. You're a communist.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Israel killed those kids.
keithISGREAT
September 15th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
I don't have a government or a corporation.
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:30 am
So, does that mean Hitler wasn't bad, and that his war was a good war?
Science does not excuse evil.
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:31 am
You just want wars, you love wars and as long as you can blame israel you're happy. Maybe both sides need to lay their guns down, even Hamas!
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Yes, and Hitler agreed with it.
You love war, don't you?
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:33 am
you're the one that loves guns, thinks countries should stockpile weapons and thinks like hitler.
One of us is not thinking straight, I just want peace in the world, and freedom.
You? Probably a target practice range. War monger.
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:33 am
Oh, right. Go clean your guns then.
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:34 am
So, you want guns and everything, but now you are going to blame everyone in the world but Iran?
You are just so far out of it, you don't make sense. Are you in the Iranian military or something?
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:35 am
I'll ask Schalitt about that.
Schalitt wants peace too probably.
Unlike you.
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:35 am
I hope Schalitt gets a chance to talk to the press about peace some day.
Do you want war or peace for Schalitt?
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:35 am
I wonder what Schalitt would think of poor Neda murdered in cold blood.
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:36 am
What are you even talking about?
Who are you going to blame for your war mongering dreams now?
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Are you Iranian? Is that why you hate peace so much?
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:37 am
What kids?
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:37 am
Cut and paste warmongering troll.
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:37 am
Cut and paste warmongering fool.
You just think guns can solve all the world's problems, don't you?
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:38 am
I am a single person who thinks violence is evil and wants to live with peace and freedom.
You are an evil warmonger!
Ask Hitler if all his arms made for peace.
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:39 am
Is that what you call everyone who doesn't like guns like you do?
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:39 am
Right, sure.
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:40 am
I don't believe a thing you say.
Go study hitler some more.
Got enough bombs to feel safe yet?
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:40 am
So, you're just ashamed to say who you are, I bet.
Roger
September 16th, 2010 at 12:41 am
Finally, I wish someone would break your copy and paste function.
Only children copy and paste this often.
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