Interventionists Target Libya
It's their only hope of salvaging our Middle East empire
Outside of an asylum, is there
anybody nuttier than Moammar Qadaffy? Well, yes: Marc Lynch, associate
professor of political science and international affairs at George Washington
University – and non-resident smarty-pants at the Center for a New
American Security – who blogs at ForeignPolicy.com,
where he
writes:
Hegemony
“The unfolding situation in Libya has been horrible to behold. No matter how many times we warn that dictators will do what they must to stay in power, it is still shocking to see the images of brutalized civilians which have been flooding al-Jazeera and circulating on the internet. We should not be fooled by Libya’s geographic proximity to Egypt and Tunisia, or guided by the debates over how the United States could best help a peaceful protest movement achieve democratic change. The appropriate comparison is Bosnia or Kosovo, or even Rwanda where a massacre is unfolding on live television and the world is challenged to act. It is time for the United States, NATO, the United Nations and the Arab League to act forcefully to try to prevent the already bloody situation from degenerating into something much worse.”
This may seem like a crazy idea, an off-the-wall suggestion made in the heat of the moment. But when you think about it – and witness how widespread such sentiment is amongst our assembled “experts” and professional know-it-alls – you realize such a call to intervene was inevitable. It was only a matter of time before the War Party would find an excuse to intervene in the Middle Eastern upsurge, and make it all about us. We are, after all, a nation – nay, an empire – of narcissists, and so the pertinent question is: what can we do? What must we do? Benghazi is burning – don’t we have a moral obligation to preen on the world stage as we put the fire out?
Qadaffy would like nothing better. His poorly translated speech is being described as “surreal,” and “rambling,” and indeed it may have been both, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t or couldn’t be effective in a Libyan context. In that speech, standing in front of the bombed out ruin of a building that stands as a monument to Reagan’s 1986 bombing, he directly addressed the rebels:
“You people with big beards when this was happening, when 170 planes were bombing — where were you? You were bowing to your master, America. We fought back against the tyranny of America, we were resilient.”
The specter of American intervention is just what Dr. Qaddafy ordered: it would play right into his hands. As is so often the case with government action, both at home and abroad, it would have exactly the opposite of its intended effect. Yet we have been through this so many times that I find it hard if not impossible to believe an associate professor of political science and international affairs has failed to assimilate this lesson – especially in the case of an alleged “expert” on the Arab world. Can Professor Lynch really believe a “forceful” intervention – starting with a “no fly zone” – won’t buttress Qadaffy’s position?
The wily old dictator hasn’t managed to stay in power for 41 years by sheer chance: he knows how to appeal to the passions and prejudices of his people, and his strategy is clearly to divide the country along generational lines – rather like the Nixon-Agnew strategy during the Vietnam era. Like the Nixonians, the Qadaffyites are pointing to those crazed youths running rampant in the streets as influenced by the twin poisons of drugs – “You rats were given pills!” – and radical ideology, which is what the reference to “you people with big beards” is all about. Like our own neoconservatives, and the Glenn Beck crowd, the daffy dictator is raising the specter of the dreaded Muslim Brotherhood as the real author of the Arab upsurge. In the Nixon years, it was communism that was the Great Bogeyman: today, it is Islamism – or, in the case of the hardcore neocons, Islam per se.
In the face of a signal event such as the Arab Awakening, the real political alignments and dividing lines suddenly become visible, like lightning at midnight. On one side of the divide, we have Moammar Qaddafy, Glenn Beck, Hosni Mubarak, David Horowitz, King Hamad of Bahrain, and most of the writers for National Review, who think it’s all an infernal plot hatched by Islamist radicals. On the other hand, we have the overwhelming majority of the peoples of the Middle East, who yearn to be free – and the overwhelming majority of Americans, who sympathize with their plight.
Intervention by the West would strengthen Qaddafy – possibly even saving him from a well-deserved end – and give ammunition to the marginal Islamist element sympathetic to al-Qaeda. Both would be confirmed in their worldview: see, Qadaffy would say, the foreigners are coming to take over your country. See, the Islamists would aver, the Crusaders are coming to take away your revolution.
The interventionists are running the concept of a “no fly zone” up the flagpole to see if anyone salutes. But the reality is that this would be merely a prelude to full-scale intervention by the NATO nations, principally the US, with the UN imprimatur added on as an afterthought. Lynch compares this to the US intervention in Kosovo – a “humanitarian” intervention that ended with the establishment of a gangster “state” whose “President” is a big-time Mafia chieftain and accused organ thief! And, yes, there are still US troops in that country, and a substantial albeit diminishing European contingent. Once the West intervenes in Libya, it will be a good decade or so before they get out – if they aren’t chased out first.
Lynch tells us how “shocking” it is “to see the images of brutalized civilians,” but Al Jazeera has been regularly broadcasting far worse images of civilians brutalized by the American bombing of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan – is Professor Lynch not equally shocked? Is he calling for “humanitarian” intervention to stop the Americans from massacring defenseless people? Of course not.
Oh, but don’t worry, says Lynch, this isn’t “an imperialist venture.” Why isn’t it? Well, just because it isn’t: because it’s an “emergency,” and we have to take action “before it’s too late.”
It’s always an emergency, isn’t it? There’s always some overriding imperative – strategic, economic, moral – that compels us to “act,” i.e. call out the Marines. Yet the timing of this is just a tad more than suspicious: at the very moment when the Arab world is rising up and throwing off its chains – chains forged in the furnace of Western colonialism and imperialism – the self-appointed Saviors of the World are riding in on their white horses, ready to “guide” the revolutionary upsurge to a more manageable conclusion. And it just so happens that Libya is rich in oil: news of the recent troubles caused oil prices to reach their highest point in two years. Like common thieves targeting a drunk, Western political leaders smell a bonanza – and are ready to pounce.
None other than Paul Wolfowitz, one of the authors of the Iraq debacle, demands “urgent action,” and Danielle Pletka, chairman of Ahmed Chalabi’s American fan club and a big wheel over at the American Enterprise Institute, fumes:
“Have they convened an emergency Security Council meeting? Have they demanded Qadhafi step down? Have they frozen Qadhafi and sons’ assets or called on others to do so? Have they imposed any economic measures? Have they done anything except wait all day and issue a comment at 5 pm? There are no easy answers, but there are clearly wrong things to do and among them is ‘just sit there.’”
Pletka and her fellow neocons can’t live in a world where we “just sit there” while others determine the course of events – and determine their own destiny. A world in which the United States isn’t the Prime Mover is, for them, a nightmare universe – and they’ve been living that nightmare since January, when Tunisia and then Egypt had their lids blown off. Two major American allies in the Middle East inside of less than two months – how could the Empire survive such a humiliation? Libya is their big chance to intervene and save face.
Of course, “moderates” like Professor Lynch will soon be outdistanced by crackpots like Cliff May, of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, who has declared he’d “go further and tell the Libyan armed forces that the West will bomb their airfields if they continue to slaughter their people. Arming the demonstrators also cannot be ruled out. The Libyan government is already blaming the protests on foreign help, and the protesters are facing a life or death struggle. The worst policy would be to encourage the demonstrators without giving them the tools to prevail.”
May’s was one of the loudest voices warning that the Egyptian revolution could well be a Muslim Brotherhood front – now he wants us to bomb Libyan airfields and give the rebels “the tools to prevail.” Should we bomb Bahrain’s airfields after the king’s security forces – imported from Saudi Arabia – slaughtered his own citizens in the capital’s main square? I don’t think the FDD believes that. Michael Ledeen, their foreign policy guru, certainly doesn’t.On their web site, FDD approvingly cites Amir Taheri, who writes;
“In Bahrain, Tehran hopes to see its allies sweep to power through mass demonstrations and terrorist operations. Bahrain’s ruling clan has arrested scores of pro-Iran militants but appears more vulnerable than ever. King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa has contacted Arab heads of states to appeal for “urgent support in the face of naked threats,” according to the Bahraini media.”
King Hamad and Hosni Mubarak – good: Qadaffy (and Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad) – bad. This kind of moral calculus is determined by the degree of the dictator’s complicity with American (and Israeli) plans for the region.
The War Party hopes to make lemonade out of the enormous lemon handed to them by the youthful revolutionaries of the Middle East – and an alliance of neocons and liberal “humanitarian” interventionists will make it happen if and when it does.
US intervention in Libya would short-circuit the Libyan revolution, prolong Qadaffy’s inglorious career, and lead to more and not less anti-Americanism even in the short run. It would, in brief, be a disaster – just the sort of blunder that could suck us into yet another quagmire from which there is no early release.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- BS in Baghdad – May 24th, 2012
- Interventionism and the Elites – May 22nd, 2012
- Obama or Anarchy? – May 20th, 2012
- What Does Ron Paul Want? – May 17th, 2012
- Hillary’s Terrorists – May 15th, 2012





Jan Burton
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Ghadafi's tactic couldn't be more obvious, as Justin correctly points out.
This is a man who rose to international fame with an anti-US, anti-imperialist message. Now, with his regime on the brink, he hopes to play that card one more time in the hope that the US takes the bait and legitimizes his fear-mongering.
No, this is one fight that needs to be left to the locals – the Libya, and maybe the Egyptians if it gets really bad.
Bodkin
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Recipe for a Raimondo column:
1. Scour the media for people you want to skewer.
2. Sift through their soundbites.
3. Caricature the authors of these soundbites as scornfully as possible.
Today's assignment:
Denigrate Marc Lynch, Paul Wolfowitz, Danielle Pletka, and Cliff May.
Good luck, class, and remember: If you're REALLY vicious, you get to be editorial director!
skulzfontaine
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:58 pm
If Paul Wolfowitz is calling for US "intervention" in Libya, that's a non-starter from the git. Mr. Holey Socks Wolfy, Dementia Pletka, and 'lunatic' Lynch should be standing trial as immoral warmongering buffoons.
The US would have NO business involving itself in Libya. Let the Libyans sort out their mess, end of story. Well, and the histrionics and hysteria should be laid on the sidelines. If Marc 'brass balls' Lynch wants to "save" the Libyans all he needs do is grab hold of an AK-47, parachute into downtown Tripoli, and have at it.
I've got three bucks stashed deep inside my wallet that says, there is no way in hell Lynch might be up to a little hand-to-hand.
mickperry
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
The Libyan government may be blaming the uprising on foreign help, but the people of Libya are under no illusions about who has been helping the regime. The weaponry being used upon them is after all, stamped 'Made in the USA' and 'Made in the UK'. They don't want any more 'help', and Justin is entirely correct to warn of the grave consequences that would follow any further intervention by the Washington Brotherhood. A lethal concoction of arrogance and ignorance and perfidy has become the recognisable hallmark of these men with big Blackberries. They would do well to realise that when the people of the Middle East gather in their towns and cities chanting 'Go Away!', it isn't just the local despot that they are addressing, but 'DictatorshipsRUs': the good old US of A itself. Any further US intervention at this stage would be catastrophic.
not fooled
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:29 am
awwww poor megaphoney, are you sad that all your tin-pot dictator dominos are starting to fall and you cant urge your american slave to take care of it like a good little pooch?
alzurzin
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:51 am
Please do not forget Kent State, when the US Reserve fired upon its own people. That was just to oppose the Vietnam War. Or, Mississippi burning? Imagine the cleansing to occur if US citizens actually protested for a complete overhaul of Washington DC ?
Raashid
February 23rd, 2011 at 1:10 am
The funny thing is, it's a certain ethnic lobby in the US which has been past masters of the sort of denigration and character assassination that he accuses Justin of!
bogi666
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:42 am
Oil is too important to be left to the countries where it exists. After all it's our, the USE/MIC,United States Empire/Mafia Industrial Complex, oil, god just put it elsewhere and god told G.W.Bush so. How do we know? Bush told US"that god told him so" which interpreted means "I'm not responsible, god told me and/or Satan made me do it, but I'm not responsible" The pretend christian false doctrine[babble].
bogi666
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:46 am
The USG is better equipped for cleansing now that it has militarized the police forces, sent the National Guard Units of the several states and replaced them with regular Army mercenary volunteers.
cheerphil
February 23rd, 2011 at 3:13 am
Often revolutions fail if the state is prepared to unleash a high level of violence on its citizens. The 2007 uprising by Buddhist monks in Myanmar (Burma), was met with a massive armed response by the government and the revolution stopped right there. Similar stories can be told all over the world in countries like Colombia, El Salvador, Zimbabwe, Georgia, Iran, Germany (1922)… the list goes on. In revolutionary theory one of the conditions to be successful is sufficient support from outside the country. While direct intervention will be an act of war and would be unwise, the International community should not sit on the sidelines while the slaughter is taking place and the democratisation of Libya is at risk. This is what can be done:
•A clear message should be send to Gaddafi that his actions will have direct consequences on him personally. This is a crime against humanity.
•The generals executing his orders must be made to understand that their action will have similar consequences. The excuse of just following orders is unacceptable.
•The mercenaries used by Gaddafi must be offers safe passage out of the country back to Chad or Darfur or wherever they came from.
•American oil companies active in Libya should immediately stop all operation.
•American sanctions lifted during the Bush era should be re-instated immediately.
•The Libyan delegation to the United Nations has shown the way and the UN should now show leadership. A clear, concise condemnation of Gaddafi and a threat of action must be made.
•NATO should deploy a significant portion of its Mediterranean fleet to the shores of Libya as show of solidarity.
Hacklheber
February 23rd, 2011 at 4:38 am
>Denigrate Marc Lynch, Paul Wolfowitz, Danielle Pletka, and Cliff May.
Like that's hard to do.
Hacklheber
February 23rd, 2011 at 4:50 am
Then again, the revolution in Germany and Iran were rather successful, they just took on a different color than the one expected by the authors of revolutionary theory. Maybe the theory is wrong.
liveload
February 23rd, 2011 at 5:44 am
But Justin, the Libyans are simply begging to be democratized! Why it's our God given duty to bomb them until they are.
scott
February 23rd, 2011 at 6:04 am
I don't find it so easy to keep to the doctrinal side here as Justin does. Here are the conditions I'd support intervention. If we had eyes on intel, and knew Khaddaffi was in a bunker or whatever his locale, I'd support dropping a couple of Hell Fire Missiles from a drone if we knew it would kill him, his aids, guards and servants. A very limited aerial assault would be different in kind that other less limited interventions.
I wonder, under what conditions Justin, or any others would support intervention? For me, what makes this different than Bahrain is the mass defections from gov't. Khaddaffi seems to have lost the faith of his closest cabinet officials–if he retains power, it's likely he will have lost the expertise needed to run the country. It seems the majority of is aides have left, that IS different from the other examples Justin cited. I generally agree with Justin's "antiwar" position. I don't think Khaddaffi could resurrect his legitimacy with his people, unless he fought off invading foreigners. I DON'T support an invasion, but IF we know where he is, and can bomb that location effectively, I'd all that.
Generalissimo X
February 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 am
yeah because all those persons are so worthy of praise for their sound decisions and perspective?? wolfowitz is a certifiable liar and mass murdering war criminal…which is probably why liars like you who go around misquoting mlk jr. respect him.
the people who want the usa on the ground are the zionist maniacs who cant' see fit to get along with their neighbors and are soon to be at the mercy of a lot of self determined angry muslims…lets hope the free 3 billion you get every year is enough to save the racist apartheid state of israel. we're already in iraq on israel's behalf, how much more of our children's blood and our money are worth it? maybe the great vaunted baby killing idf can invade and occupy this time.
tomofsnj
February 23rd, 2011 at 6:23 am
The same old war mongers are doing what they do best which is getting out kids killed. I hope some of the public pick up on these clowns have pulled the same yelling about rape rooms and other stunts while making a killing in the oil industry. It is hard to imagine the damage that one crazy greedy individual like Richard Perl can cause. Richard Perl is author of the Israel likud white paper clean break which has resulted in most of the unrest in the middle east.
Richard Perle … is an American political advisor and lobbyist,” Monitor’s 2007 Phase I Libya project summary states. “Perle made two visits to Libya (22-24 March and 23-25 July 2006) and met with Qadhafi on both occasions. He briefed Vice President Dick Cheney on his visits to Libya.”
Perle traveled to Libya as a paid adviser to the Monitor Group
Perle, listed as a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, did not respond to an e-mail query Monday.
Generalissimo X
February 23rd, 2011 at 6:27 am
correct. and further their acts will be fully legal and protected under the patriot act. there will be no "crime" committed in rounding up dissidents, protesters and anyone they see fit to and send them to black jails all over the globe or into the fema camps already prepared for this coming eventuality. the destruction of the bill of rights and the rule of law is already in place.
the destabilization in the middle east is merely a precursor of things to come. i for one don't believe in coincidences. yes there are plenty of reasons for the people to rise up and rebel, really all over the globe….but count me among the unconvinced that this is all "just happening". based on our gov't and cia history, i find it hard to believe we're just sitting behind the scenes and letting this play out with out at least attempting to guide things along. egypt is currently run by their army..which is for all intensive purposes an american creation. time will tell.
john v. walsh
February 23rd, 2011 at 6:48 am
NATO intervention? Fidel Castro predicted this the other day in an article on CounterPunch.com.
I was a bit surprised but now I wonder. Would they dare? Can they do it?
And when the Israelis fired on Gazans from the air as Qaddafi is doing now, did we ever hear it described in such graphic terms in the media?
john v. walsh
tomofsnj
February 23rd, 2011 at 7:25 am
Several of our dual citizens who also hold public office ran to 5th avenue and waved a flag with the star of david on it. I am sure you might noticed that like the boloney company Israel answers to a higher authority. Like the boloney company it has to be God, the almighty because Israel sure does not accept any rules of civilization. In 1995 Richard Perl wrote the likud white paper Clean break. It has been the working document driving Israeli policies which of course are our policies because Israel owns us. Clean break called for military attacks on Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Iran. The are still pushing this plan even if the last 14 years has been a total disaster for Israel. Israel now stands alone with no one near who would even piss on them if they caught on fire. The USA has been driven to the poor house because of the Iraq fiasco pushed on us by Israel. Lets hope that the USA cuts them loose. The USA clearly does not need any of the baloney.
Montaigne
February 23rd, 2011 at 7:40 am
I wish I could prove you wrong!
Sans flag pins
February 23rd, 2011 at 7:47 am
I am not here to (necessarily) win love and agree with people. I am here just to express my ideas and see if we have any common ground. Libyan intervention needs to be divorced from theory to the real environment we live in. The crap economy America is becoming, and how the interventionist squander our treasury. Interventionists are not penny pinchers, they are turning the Republic of the US weak. Antiwar.com shows how the recent Iraq war & Afghanistan are. We are not the economically strong country of the 1950s. A majority of Americans are not strong students of history. The Libyan opposition has been courageous and still is. Mr Raimondo shows the chauanistic idiots the Becks and media influencers are. It shows that foreign policy-Obama is just Bush continued when its politically expedient.. We can't wave a magic wand; we have to live in the reality. To desire peace, prosperity and freedom for the Libyans is a strong pull, a very strong tug. I would love a Libyan TV station or ten bombed for emotion, reason must win out. When the bailed out bankers, their CEOs, the Donald Trumps and Obama money backers give their money, we will talk intervention. Right now they want to screw it out of the middle class and the poor, ask some small population state teachers who they are trying to screw out of their union contracts because the US doesn't manufacture enough. I don't see Mexico strong enough to help – that is what costly, always ill-directed-short-sighted wars are turning the United States into.
bozh
February 23rd, 2011 at 7:47 am
most protests– and especially those in u.s.– benefit masters of people and war. after protests of early '70s, u.s. began to wage wars more frequently than ever before.
lesson is? don't fume. act like a dog or hyena which doggedly pursue their end goal: survive and live like a dog or hyena shld live.
are we humans or not? are we ever gonna live like humans or not? remember, masters of people in libya, egypt, russia, france, canada will never promote humanities or an human way of living.
so get to work; doggedly, with final solution in mind: end master-serf relationship. tnx
Sans flag pins
February 23rd, 2011 at 8:13 am
Khaddafi is a bully. First thing he is going to do is scream "the US, the US – I am fighting for Libya" . His people are fed up and he has got guns and force. The situation is not murky. In country Turks are afraid, the In country Algerians are afraid. They are running to get out
Even Hugo Chavez isn't embracing him. No one is buying his BS, his c@#p (except central Ameria's Daniel Ortega.
. Obama just vetoed a UN resoluton for the Palestinains using the US's own Text, their own words. The Palestinian papers totally discredit the PA. Al Jazeera is seen as an honest broker. The US is seen as the unloved teacher that tells all the African and Middle Eastern what to do.
liveload
February 23rd, 2011 at 8:21 am
What?
JLS
February 23rd, 2011 at 8:34 am
As someone on here once said,
"God made the mistake of putting all our oil in other people's countries so we have to rectify that."
JLS
February 23rd, 2011 at 8:37 am
"The USG is better equipped for cleansing now that it has militarized the police forces…"
That's the biggest and most underreported story of the last 30 years or so. A lot of neighborhoods in America already live under a de facto military occupation: http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/18/this-area-i…
Peacegeek
February 23rd, 2011 at 8:47 am
Justin is dead right – the neocons are attempting to engage America and NATO in the Libyan Civil War – a tactic that would lead to more interventions in all the other nations in the region. What they are actually attempting to do is to reverse the Obama Doctrine: Violence Must Be Forsaken – that was issued to Mubarak and blew him out of office. While the Obama administration has made a lot of mistakes, they are getting this one right – keep the military out of internal affairs when peaceful pro-democracy movements clash with dictatorships.
R.C. Williams
February 23rd, 2011 at 8:52 am
Pot calling kettle? For all his ranting about foreign agents, it looks like Ghadafi is the one depending on "foreign help" to brutally keep his ass in power!
RickR30
February 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 am
And who buys most of Libya's oil? Europe. And yet I don't foresee Italian troops landing of the beaches of Libya.
RickR30
February 23rd, 2011 at 9:43 am
Right, how dare he not worship that scum…
RickR30
February 23rd, 2011 at 9:59 am
I'm looking forward to hearing the moronic neocons and their decerebrated puppets in the media call for US military intervention the next time (tomorrow?) israel brutalizes Palestinian and Lebanese civilians. These "experts" are such humanists who just love their fellow human beings. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside hearing them advocate more war, death, and destruction. And with that comes more poverty and misery for Americans, whose only mission in the globalized world is to finance all the world's conflicts so the new priestly class of death merchants are spared doing real work and can continue their "intellectual" pursuits.
Jeff Albertson
February 23rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
Right after I read the the piece by Fidel, I saw a very similar column by Daniel McCarthy at the American Conservative blog. Strange days have found us, indeed. I think that I have discovered the secret to Fidel's wisdom; one simple rule – Yankees Always Lie (YAL) (especially the Cintons). Hillary says the violence in Libya is unacceptable. Translation – send in the Marines.
M. Levesque-Alam
February 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 am
It is satisfying to watch the neocons writhe and wriggle, helpless and powerless snakes left to hiss in the wind. A few years ago, they were the authors of disastrous events. Now, they are authors of nothing but their own irrelevance.
conumishu
February 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 am
Excellent article. A strategic, longer term view which makes a lot of sense and rightly integrates the Libyan situation into the bigger picture.
What we lack is credible reports on the ground. For a country with hundreds of thousands of foreigners, westerners involved in oil/gas projects there, thousands of cameras, many leaving the country on a daily basis, the "footage" from there is scarce at best. Not even Tripoli events receive a decent coverage.
The death toll raises very fast but we don't know who is killing who. If G. men do all the killing, how come city after city is reported to fall into revolutionaries hands. Who are these revolutionaries, why don't reporters from all over flock into the liberated cities and interview the victors?
It was reported of mercenaries fighting for G. We saw one poor black man, dead, wearing a sort of camouflage fatigue, as proof. Who killed him and how? Lynched?
We hear of air bombings, including the outskirts of Tripoli, yet we haven't seen a minimal proof. Fighters attacking ground targets can be recorded from miles away. No one can manage to obtain a video recording of such an attack? And so on.
Pablo Schwartz
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
hmm, Krauthammer, Bolton, and Company are trying desperately to seem relevant, but they're watching it all on television like everybody else in the West. their formula is simple: argue that Israel – a fecking *superpower* – is under siege so as to keep the Pentagon's budget ridiculously high.
johnc
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
I've long wondered about Gadaffi's anti-American shtick. He's a stoolie bad-mouthing the prison guards to gain credibility with the inmates. The neocon concern about him confirms this impression.
Bodkin
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
For someone who's "not fooled", you're pretty obtuse! Since when has Gaddafi done anything for Israel's benefit? Who cares if that baboon falls out of his tree!
And whether or not anyone intervenes in Libya or Bahrain or wherever, it won't make any difference. Savagery and intolerance will remain alive and well across all the Mohammedan lands for the foreseeable future. These crazy populations are multiplying out of control with no jobs on the horizon for all their restive youth. The situation will get even more dire when the oil runs out, coz they've got precious little else to offer.
But those who are "not fooled" (yeah, right!) will just keep on bashing Israel, never blaming the ululating barbarians themselves for being the authors of their own hopeless misery.
BTW, only 32 thumbs down at the time of this writing. That's it??? How disappointing.
SammyE
February 23rd, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Libya is of course located geographically in North Africa and not in the ME. The states of Algeria and Tunisia are both situated on her western border while Egypt borders on the east. Military intervention by the US would set the US Africa Command (Africom) in motion possibly setting the stage of another round of US emperialism on the African continent.
Currently Africom has but one base in Africa and is located in Djibouti and part of Operation Enduring Freedom, the so called war on terror.
Ike Hall
February 23rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
I will donate the same amount I donated to Antiwar.com's fundraiser to see Lynch do this. If he survives the drop, it will take the mercenaries from Chad about half a second to size him up.
sleepy
February 23rd, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Excellent post and information. Thanks.
AJE is reporting that the US state dept. has said no to any talk of a no flight zone. Thankfully.
Aside from overt military intervention, though, a person always wonders what is going on behind the scenes in terms of US "input". And this is true in Libya, Bahrain, Egypt, Tunisia, and any other place undergoing some form of revolution.
Regarding Libya, I don't think the US should do anything other than diplomatic denunciations of violence, freezing the dictator's bank accounts, etc., and assistance to refugees. That sounds harsh in light of civilians being massacred, but I would think any overt US action would result in far worse.
Terrance&Philip
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:30 pm
I hope the neo-cons know better. With austerity being demanded of America's middle and working classes, the call for more money for military misadventures, while we don't have enough money to keep our streets paved or make sure our elderly don't freeze to death, could put a huge percentage of the American population over the edge.
(We might just get our own Cairo moment, which is something, I'm sure, our "leaders" don't want to see.)
Bodkin
February 23rd, 2011 at 3:29 pm
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Thanks for tuning in. This concludes another episode of "Raimondo and his Trained Monkeys."
Roque Santa Cruz
February 23rd, 2011 at 6:33 pm
just like the egyptian revolt was "all about israel", the libyan, bahrain or any other one left it's all about america. it's never about arabs. it's only a battlefield for the empire' quest for global dominace
Richard
February 23rd, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Open question for neocons and other "laptop bombardiers":
Is there ever a situation where US military intervention is NOT called for?
OMG! Someone is torturing a kitten in Zaire! Send in the Marines!
To safeguard our oil supply, I think we should bomb Canada and Mexico, our two largest suppliers.
andy
February 23rd, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Your mentality is exactly why Kim-Il-Sung developed nuclear weapons.
andy
February 23rd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
An interventionists work is never done.
Johnny in Wi.
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
The neocons are pooping their pants over fears that their pipe dreams are coming undone. We have to hope that their influence is diminshed enough so that we won't intervene.
Hrebeljanovic
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
I am puzzled that every-body is failing to recognize the fact that thousands of foreign workers in Libya are being evacuated as I write. 17,000 from Egypt only. You can slap any name on Qadaffy: nuts, despot, filthy rich… However, there's free health care and free schooling in Libya, country has been build up, so much so it needs foreign workers. Compare that to neighboring countries.
Protests in Tunisia and in Egypt took me by surprise, but now me thinks those were well made introductions to setting up Libya ablaze.
What else is new? "We gottsa control oil production." It's so old, it's sad.
Andrew
February 24th, 2011 at 4:57 am
Why do you think the government is so fond of drones? They won't need troops on the street, just a few drone operators.
emsnews
February 24th, 2011 at 8:15 am
NATO is in Afghanistan and this is highly unpopular in Europe.
emsnews
February 24th, 2011 at 8:16 am
What is even funnier is how the neocons and other criminals are screaming for putting Gaddafi on war crimes charges for 'killing his own people.' Obviously, it is not a war crime to the West to invade and kill Muslims! But for them to do it to themselves: illegal.
http://emsnews.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/oil-price…
conumishu
February 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am
You're probably right in some respects. There is something fishy and all the warning flags regarding media coverage there are high, imo. But G. is a nutcase, his offsprings do have access to way too many "investment" funds for a "revolutionary" regime. Population doesn't seem to live comfortably (ant they're less than 6 million, shouldn't be a problem with all that oil&gas) and they don't enjoy much, if at all, freedom. G.'s foreign adventures and dubious involvments must have been extremely costly and certainly added a degree of paranoia once he pissed too many big sharks with his meddling.
But what happens now is strange. Btw, the last 3-4 days "protesters" have turned into "insurgents" in media reports. Which is probably more accurate, but it's also what seemed to be the case right from the beginning. I think violence was the protesters MO from the start.
Another, totally ignored by western media to my knowledge, info: chinese news agencies report large scale looting and destruction at their companies sites there. "Oust" the chinese seems working in Libya too.
Libya - Page 41
February 24th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
[...] Interesting take on things from Justin Raimondo. He warns of the neo-liberal/neo con interventionist agenda and their designs on Libya. Interventionists Target Libya by Justin Raimondo — Antiwar.com [...]
Interventionists Target Libya
February 26th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
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Robert Brager
February 27th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Bang on. In whose employ were the foreign mercenaries prowling the streets in Libya last week? The big boss's, of course. Justin points out how Ghadafi's speeches are tailored for domestic consumption; I just can't believe any intelligent Libyan would fall for it.