Nationalism, Democracy, and the Arab Awakening
The difference between Egypt and Iran
The revolutionary wave sweeping through the Middle East promises to topple sclerotic Arab regimes throughout the region, but there is a marked difference between, say, Egypt and Iran – and the difference is the nationalist factor.
In Egypt, the people rose up against a US-supported dictatorship which had ridden on their backs for 30 years. It’s interesting to note that the regime, in the latter stages of the revolt, resorted to dark hints that the protesters were being run by mysterious “foreign elements.” And, indeed, there was a foreign element that played a key role – I would argue the key role – in Egyptian politics, and had been doing so for the past 30 years, albeit not on the side of the pro-democracy forces: namely, the US government. Washington gave over $60 billion in mostly military aid to the regime of Hosni Mubarak, enabling him to stay in power far longer than he would have otherwise managed.
Not only that, but this massive outpouring of dollars effectively handed control of the nation’s economic life to the military, which now controls as much as 30 percent of Egypt’s gross domestic product. Internal US government communications, revealed by the invaluable WikiLeaks, show diplomats complaining about the Egyptian military’s resistance to economic liberalization, but Washington failed to comprehend how US policy entrenched the military high command as a major player in the Egyptian economy.
Mubarak’s appeal to nationalist sympathies failed because he, and not the protesters, was seen as the agent of a foreign power: namely, the United States. While economic and internal political factors almost certainly sparked the upsurge, it was nationalism – in part energized by resentment of the dictator’s American patrons – that managed to sustain it and ultimately carry it forward to victory. Protesters carried Egyptian flags, and appealed directly to the army as the protector of the nation against Mubarak. In Bahrain, too, the protesters carried their national flag, and made an appeal to the military – this latter with decidedly deadly results. In any case, however, the nationalistic sentiment exuded by the pro-democracy forces is a defining feature of the most successful uprisings – to date, Egypt and Bahrain – while in Iran (and, to some extent, Libya) the situation is more complex.
What complicates the picture in the case of Iran, for example, is outside pressure on the regime by the US, which reinforces actual grassroots support for the ruling elite and retards the growth of the opposition. The American and Israeli-led international campaign to isolate Iran on the grounds that it has no right to obtain nuclear power is opposed by both the mullahs and the “Green” movement that is trying to overthrow the dictatorship. If the Greens took power tomorrow, Iran’s nuclear program, such as it is, would remain in place – as would the hostility of the West and the sanctions that are slowly strangling ordinary people in that country.
In Iran, the elections in which the opposition was allowed to compete did not give the Green movement a victory. While some may allege that these elections were far from fair, this evaluation is not clear-cut enough to dislodge the legitimacy of the regime: and, in any event, it is undeniable that the hard-liners enjoy some level of popular support, or at least enough to forestall a massive upsurge such as threw Mubarak out of office in 18 days.
The Iranian regime can credibly point to a systematic campaign to undermine the country on the part of the Western powers, chiefly the United States – including a terrorist campaign waged by the US-backed Jundallah organization, a radical Sunni insurgency in Iranian Baluchistan that has launched vicious attacks on civilian targets. This cements popular support for the mullah-ocracy, which is seen as the only alternative to foreign domination and chaos.
The nationalist factor – or, one might say, the anti-American factor – operates in a similar manner in Libya, where longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi appeared in person at a pro-government rally in the capital city of Tripoli, which has been relatively calm and where the protest movement is apparently weakest. One cannot imagine Yemen’s “President” Ali Abdullah Saleh feeling confident enough to make an appearance in Sana’s main square, where he might well end up on the wrong end of a hangman’s noose.
Another US protectorate, the tiny East African nation of Djibouti, witnessed an amazing 20,000 protesters taking to the streets – a massive outpouring in a country with a population of under one million. Djibouti is the site of a major military base which is an important anchor of US operations in the region and beyond. In return, Washington has poured in aid and given the regime of “President” Ismail Guelleh political support, overlooking the Mubarak-like familial despotism that rules over this small but strategically important enclave. The President’s family has ruled the African city-state since independence from France in 1977.
In Syria, on the other hand, the Arab Awakening is less advanced: the Syrian Ba’athist regime of Bashar al-Assad has been in Washington’s sights since the Bush era, and here again the nationalist factor plays an important role. Of course, Bashar’s father, Hafez al-Assad, once decimated a city of some 60,000, slaughtering most of the inhabitants, when the Muslim Brotherhood launched a revolt, and the memory of this may deter potential rebels: but that kind of brutality is less of a restraining factor these days, as we have seen in Bahrain, Yemen, and Libya, where security forces are firing directly into crowds – and still the ranks of protesters continue to grow.
The US government poses as the international champion of democracy and liberty, but the objective real-world consequences of its foreign policy of global intervention effectively hold back progress in this direction. It is no accident that the revolutions in Iran, Libya, and Syria (where only a few hundred have so far turned out for Egypt-inspired protests) are meeting substantial resistance, while in the US protectorates – Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Jordan, Djibouti – the protests are more successful.
Unless the administration is willing to take advice from the more embittered neocons, Glenn Beck, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who rail that Mubarak was “betrayed” by the West, this disparity points to the only rational response to the Awakening by the US: Washington must get out of the way. Amid calls from many liberals and some neocons to endorse the democratic movements, and the opposite advice from the Beckians, the US government must resist the temptation to meddle in any manner whatsoever – and this includes pumping in money and resources to handpicked “democratic” parties and organizations via USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy. Such efforts are bound to boomerang, just as our previous support to the reigning dictators did.
Our national interests were never served by supporting brutal kleptocrats like Mubarak, and his cousins across the region: nor are they being served by “democracy promotion,” either. The Founders foresaw that the American example would inspire efforts to achieve liberty beyond our shores, and one of them, John Quincy Adams, had this advice to give:
“Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.”
UPDATE: As events in Libya continue to race forward, I think my initial analysis is roughly accurate: while the Eastern provinces have rid themselves of Gadhafi, in Tripoli pro-government mobs are taking to the streets, and the dictator and his equally daffy son seem to be digging in for a protracted conflict. I see the son is taking his clues from Glenn Beck and David Horowitz, babbling about how the rebels are trying to restore the "Caliphate" or "Emirate." I didn’t know they got Fox News in Libya, but I guess being the son of a dictator affords one certain privileges.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
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Read more by Justin Raimondo
- BS in Baghdad – May 24th, 2012
- Interventionism and the Elites – May 22nd, 2012
- Obama or Anarchy? – May 20th, 2012
- What Does Ron Paul Want? – May 17th, 2012
- Hillary’s Terrorists – May 15th, 2012





epppie
February 20th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
The situation in Iran is truly nauseating. There the popular desire for reform, which appears to be very broadbased, has been coopted by a pro-american elite, led by Rafsanjani and Mousavi, which is probably covertly tied to US funding and US covert manipulation. The result is a bottleneck. The reform movement ends up blocked more by its own purported leadership than by Ahmadinejad, etc.. How can be credible to the People as long as it appears to be aligned with Iran's enemy, with the country constantly threatening Iran?
And let us acknowledge, whilst drawing distinctions, that Iran has long been closer to democracy than most of our darling allies in the region.
A grateful reader
February 20th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Why, Justin, do you denigrate the leadership of Iran as a "regime"? And why do you believe the rulers in the United States deserve the appellation "government" (rather than "regime")?
The Iranian leadership is arguably more representative and loyal to its people (ergo, more democratic?) than the U.S. regime is to the American people.
Tom Yohannan
February 21st, 2011 at 1:00 am
You should be a little more careful with your figures, Justin. When you allude to the suppression of the Hama uprising in Syria in 1982 you brandish numbers for the victims (60,00) well above those put forward by any observer or investigator. This is not unlike the methodology of the apologists for the 1999 war against Serbia, who brandished very exaggerated figures for Albanian casualties in order to whip up support for a war of aggression. I might also add that any intelligent reference to Syria needs to take into account the ethnic and religious particularities of that country in which a regime dominated by a religious minority, the Alawi, has been, inter alia, a guarantor of the rights of not only themselves, but also all the other minorities. Better no mention at all than a cursory and erroneous one.
mickperry
February 21st, 2011 at 1:23 am
Protests in neighbouring Iraq fail to get a mention in either Justin's piece, or Uri Avenary's. http://en.news.maktoob.com/20090000582756/Iraq_di…
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Die Wahrheit zählt
February 21st, 2011 at 2:19 am
I don't fully agree with you on this one, epppie. I have a lot of sympathy for the position of Iran, when you consider the history of foreign interference there, mainly from Britain and the U.S., and the demonization of Iran from the west which persists to this day, a campaign based on western ignorance and arrogance. When you throw American hypocrisy into the pot – it's ok for American-supported dictators, such as the Shah, to use torture, it's only a crime when it's used by those opposed to American interests – and the American support for terrorism against Iran, as Justin mentioned, then one can't help but have some regard for the independent line taken by Iran. (By-the-way, torture is a crime no matter who uses it).
On a related point, Iran I think is the only country to offer resistance against Israeli aggression, by it's support for Hamas and Hisbollah, and the president of Iran quite often has a very interesting angle on recent historical events which doesn't conform with the that of the western media.
Die Wahrheit zählt
February 21st, 2011 at 2:24 am
Yes, I agree with this point. Ask yourself, who has Iran invaded lately. It is the west – the US, Britain, Germany, France etc. – which is the aggressive force, engaging in war against Iran through sanctions, threats, and terrorism.
bozh
February 21st, 2011 at 4:36 am
justin:
‘ “Our national interests were never served by supporting brutal kleptocrats like Mubarak, and his cousins across the region: nor are they being served by “democracy promotion,” ‘
i cannot document that some americans have enriched selves while dealing with or supporting supremacists such as marcos, noriega, netanyahu, rabin, saleh, suharto, pahlevi, mubarak, king abdullah, and many others, but i’d be much surprised if i’d find out that people who dealt with such people lost money on the deal with any of these fascists.
so, the generalization that dealing with such people does not benefit all americans or their nation, appears at least a bit askew.
such dealings, i conclude, enriches some regionals—oops americans. after all, u.s. is composed of a few hundred voelken; some of which live in envy and hatred of at least one other ethnos.
ergo, there cannot be as much patriotism or fairness in such a region as in ethnicly homogeneous countries such as finland, norway, and other countries.
waging ignorance, oppression, nescience, poverty, etc; using meat for warfare, setting up bases by such lands is much more difficult or even impossible than in a region composed of many peoples.
once one sees u.s. as region and not as a country or even empire, one can begin to understand why such a region cld commit so many serious crimes against so many innocent people and peoples.
the region can do all that because it is ruled by a few thousand families; many of which are —–.
these families appear as the best robbers in town. and no one gets rich unless one robs others.
the iron grip on power by this cosa nostra gang can be abrogated only by another– antipodal in aims– cosa nostra gang: that of the lower classes.
some european lands enjoy greater rights than the regionals in u.s. because, seems to me, they are represented in a parliament.
not a single politician in u.s. represents the ‘lower’ classes. this means, things wld get worse for people w.o. representation in w.h. and congress.
expect also more wars by the cosa nostra gang. tnx
(edited due to anti-semitic comments)
bozh
February 21st, 2011 at 4:53 am
iran, in its doings with other countries, does much better than lots of european lands. israel and u.s. appear worst behaving towards 'aliens' pops of some countries.
such 'alien' pops might have just as well landed here from mars as far u.s. and israel are concerned.
btw, that pertains also to a lot of 'lazy', want smthing for nothing, uneducated, 'stupid' regionals and not just in a region aka u.s., but in many lands.
also spricht bozhidarevski! danke meine freunden!
bozh
February 21st, 2011 at 5:09 am
caveat!
i do consider iranian religion a science. however, with own methodology of inquiry and evaluation of the world we live in.
this is also true for other major sciences; usually called religions. i often use label "cults" to limn such thinking.
such thinking causes much evil. their sacerdotal classes [really parasitic in nature] always side with supremacistic class of lowlife.
sacerdotal class, along with ancient and modern 'nobility', form a criminal class of life. this 'elite' leads us to poverty, wars, ignorance, fears, hate, serfdom, etc.
to be short and clear, such people behave insanely sane or sanely insane. in other words, sanity meets insanity and the whole hell on earth breaks lose on our heads.
and worst is yet to come! tnx
Little Paulie
February 21st, 2011 at 6:10 am
I second that post. And I would also add that the only reason that an opposition movement exists in Iran is because the US policy towards Iran is regime change and the US is trying to achieve this without resorting to military intervention. They are trying to get the Iranians to overthrow their own government by worsening the economic conditions inside Iran through sanctions which have been ongoing now for about 30 years now. And when the Iranians get more and more pissed at the rising prices in Iran they will possibly revolt and the US media will portray it as a democratic uprising against an "oppressive Islamic regime" – even though uprising would be the result of the machinations of the United States.
liveload
February 21st, 2011 at 6:12 am
Going back even before Mossadegh, we see that a history of intervention in Iran's internal politics has done nothing but made things worse. Ever since William Knox Darcy and his little wildcatting outfit found oil, the British and subsequently American regimes have been trying to control politics there to suit their own interests at the expense of the people. Many times have the Iranians tried to rid their government from the machinations of the western regimes, only to fail. When they finally suceed, the end result is a repressive theocracy that has no intention of going anywhere. They also have a long history of western backed bogeymen to use as a bludgeon whenever any of its citizens makes the call for genuine reform. Iranians have to end the theocracy themselves. Iran and it's culture was around long before any of the abrahamic religions even existed. It is up to them to recognize this and to move away from lumping their entire society and culture under a single religious and political ideaology. This, quite frankly, is as unsustainable a model as the American Regime's insistence upon a foreign policy of intervention on the behalf of moneyed interests.
Little Paulie
February 21st, 2011 at 6:25 am
BTW, if these phony, US-instigated protests in Iran don't work then the US and Israel will have to turn to using military force against Iran. And this war will unquestionably lead to destruction on a massive scale. The Iranians fought the Iraqi's for 8 years straight, do you think that they are going to give up easily in a war against the US and Israel? Nope, and do you think the Israelis are going to tolerate massive civilian casualties (along with massive military casualties) when rockets hit Israel from Iran, Lebanon and Syria? Nope. They won't tolerate it for too long and will, no doubt, use WMD against Iran (if they don't force the US to do it first). And the Iranians and Hezbollah will, no doubt, respond by hitting Israel with chemical and biological weapons. In this war both sides will try to wipe each other off the map, and this should be pretty obvious.
John V. Walsh
February 21st, 2011 at 7:42 am
Generally a good column.
But what is happening is as plain as the nose on one's face. There is no uprising in Iran nor in China, the two places that the West in general and Hillary in particular keep saying will be "next." They have been saying that for weeks now.
The rebellions are taking place in countries that have long been puppets of the US – and that too is plain as the nose on one's face.
Read carefully the news items posted today on AW.C on Iran, and more especially on China, and you will see that there is not much there. The one on China is a hoot, so desperate is the writer to make a case for rebellion in China.
AW.C has no obligation to post phony news stories.
John V. Walsh
landser
February 21st, 2011 at 8:36 am
I'd like to point out an omission. It seems to me that, so far as Antiwar.com is concerned, people power is a fine thing; as long as it occours in foreign countries. In recent days there's been a rather large outpouring of people power on the streets and within the capitol building of the State of Wisconsin, USA. I have'nt seen anything here about THAT…but, after all, this IS a right-libertarian site.
emsnews
February 21st, 2011 at 8:37 am
Unrest in China and Iran is due to a population filled with hope and energy. In the US, we see very little still except, perhaps, in Wisconsin (which may be a dying gasp for air, not a new rebellion rising). The same economic forces moving billions of people into taking overt actions against their own governments is also happening here so we may eventually move in the same direction but not yet.
This is due to US power: so long as our government prints dollars and then ships most of these overseas to buy manufactured goods and energy, we will see a quiet population here. The countries with revolts are ones where the people have to turn their local money into dollar to buy stuff. This is proving very difficult for them as the US central bank destroys the value of the dollar as trade money.
So they are revolting whereas, we, so far, accept inflation due to devaluation of the trade dollar. But once the price of a gallon of gas hits $5, we may see serious unrest here at home.
RickR30
February 21st, 2011 at 9:35 am
Isn't it great when things don't go the way the masters of the universe want them to? They'd like to see Iran fall, Syria, Lebanon, who knows who else. Instead all their buddies/puppets in Bahrain, Jordan, Saudi Arabia have their days numbered. Not that we have any national interests at stake in Iran, Syria, but since our foreign policy experts and Secretary of State get their marching orders from aipac, it's suddenly essential that we have the governments there that we want.
What an absurd position to be in, advocate freedom and democracy everywhere, but only if the side wins that is going to put israel's interests ahead of the interests of that country. They want the rest of the world to be just like the US. A political system dedicated to israel and nothing but israel, while screwing the people at every turn. Such an elevated view of the world, the epitome of the West, that's what democracy should look like…
conumishu
February 21st, 2011 at 9:49 am
Iranians have a major geo-strategic problem. Most of their oilfields are easily invadable by US from Iraq. Of course it would be a protracted war, Iranians would strike back, nationalism would become fervent, but, in the long run, Iran has nothing to gain while US have nothing to lose (except for going bankrupt sooner; still a mere, unquantifiable in time units, event horizon – so to speak).
Generalissimo X
February 21st, 2011 at 9:49 am
well i think it's a bit naive to think that all of these movements were nascent and "organic"…granted i think the protesters and the people dieing are quite sincere but i find it hard to believe that western agents/intelligence aren't involved at all. it doesn't take a prophet to know that once that imf devalued the dollar and pushed inflation up in egypt the people had to do something to literally survive. at this point egypt's military is running the country as some type of junta…i'm hopeful for the will of the people but as the egyptian military is essentially a u.s. creation i believe the "revolution" has failed…hopefully i'm wrong and the people keep pushing for real change. and even if we didn't start these uprisings there is no doubt the cia is attempting to guide and control things for their most beneficial outcome for uncle sam. history shows us this is always the case.
conumishu
February 21st, 2011 at 10:02 am
All dinastyc regimes(some official kingdoms, some unofficial) are in big trouble. On the other hand, simili-democracies of the western kind don't seem to have many chances either. One could wonder if it isn't better like this. Maybe something new could arise from the ashes of imperial/colonial wreckage. Doubtful, too many interests at stake, but a small hope something better, something which could inspire the dying west too, still exists.
conumishu
February 21st, 2011 at 10:08 am
We need a report on Libya, Justin!
That one looks way too interesting to miss.
freshnotbitter
February 21st, 2011 at 10:44 am
Perhaps they, USA and Iran, derive equal benefit from the current state of "war" between the two countries.
It does not matter, tho. I have said all along that Israel should have made a durable and comprehensive peace with the Palestinians when it had maximum power to do so instead of trying to eke out a few more meters of dust.
Now the ball is rolling, the despots will be replaced by democratic nationalist forces that have little use for the status quo and who will scrap the nuclear non-proliferation treaty on grounds Israel is not scrapping its own stockpile.
In short, a whole new dynamic is taking shape.
John_Muhammad
February 21st, 2011 at 11:37 am
Why don't we turn this lens upon ourselves and see some real reporting on the situation in Wisconsin? If this were happening in some far-off land, I daresay we'd hear more about it- the causes, the effects, the players involved, the stakes, etc.
While I applaud AW.C for its reporting the little-heard news from abroad, I'd like to see that same intensity focused on some of our domestic events as noted above. Is this the precursor to larger demonstrations of American citizens demanding reform? What are the likely outcomes? Will the USG step in at some point and break up the demonstrations by force, or will the US Marshals be dispatched to retrieve the representatives who have gone AWOL in order to avoid a showdown?
What is the state of the union at present? Are most Americans unhappy with the direction the government is taking us financially and politically, or are we content to sit and watch DWTS while munching our chemical-laden processed foods? "As long as it's not happening to me, it's okay"… right? Well, guess what- one of these days it WILL be happening to you, America, and if you don't get your heads out of the sand the day it comes you'll be wondering what happened while you see what you thought was your happy little life vanish in short order. What will you be prepared to do then? What are you prepared to do NOW?
ML3
February 21st, 2011 at 1:22 pm
I agree wholeheartedly. Love to hear the rightwing pols and radio blabbermouths who advocated 'democracy' in Iraq and Afghanistan contort themselves trying to support dictatorships now because of the sudden 'threat' to Isreal, whose loyalty they prize above all else
AngelaKeaton
February 21st, 2011 at 3:01 pm
I don't really see enough on style or food at Exiledonline either. Or cars. What about cars? Do you think you can help with that?
smithy100
February 21st, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Notes In The Margin:
You should not always refer to your "readers". Is belies what you really think of us. I am not speaking of myself right now I am speaking for all the others who offer commentary in threads like these. You so called "readers" are much much more than just readers and you need to stop keeping yourself separate from them. They are activists just as committed as you might be. Do not seek glory, instead seek results …
Sam
February 21st, 2011 at 4:08 pm
America is an idea of freedom .democracy and equality despite the errors and failures and it will stay this way.
RickR30
February 21st, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Unfortunately America–the actual country–only faintly resembles the idea.
RickR30
February 21st, 2011 at 5:16 pm
That's a good idea. While of course Anti-war focuses on being anti-war there's no reason not to look into domestic matters where the government is or wants to screw, ripoff, or just plainly assault the American people. That could broaden the audience and bring in more donations. It wouldn't be easy to do it in a balanced way that would keep the left from whining about the right (a la G. Wilson) or the right complaining about the site being leftist. Since the msm is pretty much AWOL on investigative reporting that would bring the crimes, hypocrisy, and lies of the political class to light, we actually need Antiwar.com again to take over that duty.
Little Paulie
February 21st, 2011 at 5:42 pm
That's true now, but America wasn't always like this. It started to move away from it's ideal in the beginning of the twentieth century when Wilson decided to intervene in WW1 and when the Federal Reserve was created. America is dying pretty early for a young country – almost as if it's succumbing to some sort of disease.
GradyWilson
February 21st, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Seems like what's going on in Madison (I'm with you landser) should be covered and commented on by antiwar.com. After all we wouldn't have massive deficits without the imperialism and wars. Build schools not bombs.
keithISGREAT
February 21st, 2011 at 6:14 pm
I think a lot of people are not connecting the dots. Look at what is happening in Bahrain and libya. It can evolve into civil war and possibly ethnic cleansing. What is the UN's job?!?!?! Wasn't the UN put in place to prevent another World War? The UN is not doing anything while people are being shelled in Bahrain and libya! It looks like we're on the cusp of world war three. Israel is gonna make a land grab and that will be the equivalent of germany invading poland. This wont end well I'm afraid. We are seeing the collapse of the American empire but at the same time we are at risk of World War three. If civil war breaks out in bahrain and saudi arabia and egypt and libya and yemen etc. Will this lead to WW3? I think world war will start with an Israeli invasion.
Thom
February 21st, 2011 at 9:37 pm
CPAC could perhaps use some antiwar people – but many of these people are really not conservatives.
They are libertarians who are hypocrites because they favor government intervention on behalf of gays, transsexuals, and others in order to legitimize their choice of "lifestyle." If these "libertarians" were consistent, they would tell gays to get married in private ceremonies and stop trying to shove gay marriage down the throats of the majority who do not believe in it.
Thom
February 21st, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Gays and the politically correct crowd (liberals) are also invading public schools and trying to brainwash the youngest children into accepting and trying out the gay lifestyle. "Hey," they say, "why not try to love both sexes – it's all human flesh – you can't tell the difference between most makle and female body parts if you close your eyes." They force schools to accept a book like King and King which depicts two kings kissing.
Many gays are known to be bi-sexuals anyway, and thus they do have a *choice*, even as they claim otherwise.
Some of us straights know what you gays are up to. You are not fooling us even if you manage to fool some "libertarians" and libertarians. Stop trying to use the bludgeon of law to legitimize gay and bissexual behavior. And please leave CPAC alone.
Carpenter
February 21st, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Some things you won't see in the media (which will however interview some old feminist hag in Egypt, offering that as a face of the revolution) :
–Mubarak's ruling NDP party in Egypt was a member of the Socialist International for decades, and was only thrown out when the revolt was in its second week
–Ben Ali's ruling CDR party in Tunisia was a member of the Socialist International for decades, and was only thrown out when the people revolted
–Libya is run by a socialist pro-Soviet dictator. He, along with Mubarak, was praised by socialists everywhere during the Cold War for "bringing solidarity to the Arab world" and oppressing Islamic movements
–The revolutionaries use national flags, sing nationalist songs, and shout nationalist and religious slogans. No red flags in sight. Sorry, communist groups in the West who try to pretend that the revolutionaries would be anything like them.
–In Bahrain, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Marocco, the people have used nationalist and religious themes. The oppressors are anti-tribal, anti-tradition, anti-Islam. Therefore they have been supported by the leftist regimes in Washington, no matter which of the two parties has been in power. (With the exception of Libya, where Qaddafi made himself impossible by killings in a time when there were still real anti-communist voices in Washington. Today of course, the U.S. is far more leftist than e.g. China.)
–All the dictators supported by the U.S. have one thing in common, aside from their anti-traditional leftist control: they make nice with Israel and turn a blind eye to the Palestinian genocide. While any government attacked or threatened in the Middle East also have one thing in common: they have supported the Palestinian resistance, financially and diplomatically. (Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan.)
See a pattern here? Long live the nationalist, religious, tribal revolutions against the socialist, pro-Israeli, pro-U.S.S.A regimes.
james
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:04 am
Eat your dinner, take your medicine and go to bed. This is a forum for grown ups.
syvanen
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:44 am
This is a right wing blog so maybe this comment will not be appreciated. Vladimer Lenin once observed "decades can go by and a week has not changed, but then weeks can go by and decades have changed". In any case I do think we are seeing decades of change in the last few weeks in the Arab world. BTW Lenin was an intellectual and student of revolutionary change, not just a revolutionary.
Jeremiah
February 22nd, 2011 at 1:54 am
On the one hand we have public sector unions and others from the too-numerous Tribe of Tax-Feeders, angered by austerity measures that will hardly induce starvation, insistent that money and salaries and benefits must continue to be—abracadabra!—*poofed* from nothing (and picked from *other* pockets) forever, and incapable of understanding that "collective bargaining" means precisely squat when The Collective's profligate state employer is sinking into well-deserved bankruptcy; while on the other we have people (and, yes, they *are* foreign people, all in one way or the other on the wrong end of American empire) actually fighting and DYING for ESSENTIAL LIBERTY. The two are not comparable.
But do let us know if the regime in Madison starts shelling the teachers union.
conumishu
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:19 am
Lol.
And what is your problem? Has geology shifted since last time I checked and oilfields moved somewhere else? Is there a remote possibility a war could do Iran any good? Or US, for the matter, especially the grunts who'd take the heat. Are you so certain the financial breakdown is going to happen swiftly and leave the military giant stiff in its war machines with the bullet frozen in mid air before reaching its target?
Looks like there are some not so well hidden warmongers among the readers. "Your" wars are no better than "their" wars when they could be avoided. Even in self defense war's no good and no one should wish it happens if there are other paths left.
emsnews
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:43 am
Your information is about 40 years out of date. All of these 'socialist' revolts long turned to Western capitalism and so the uprisings are due to fury from below as the poor get poorer and the kleptocrats pocket all the loot.
james
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 am
You are blathering, increase the dose
conumishu
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:45 am
I'm afraid UN has no authority to interfere in internal matters, which is mostly a good thing. Also, there's no "ethnic cleansing" going on (what kind anyway, arabs killing arabs!?).
All other considerations aside, who'd be the moral authority to judge here? US and its allies? China, Russia? A bit untrustworthy, don't you think?
Tim
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:57 pm
To syvanen — Thank you for your quote from Lenin, but he was a mass murderer and so were Trostsky and the rest.