As the panegyrics to Richard Holbrooke spread over the internet like a thickening fog, the real legacy of this State Department apparatchik came across the news wires a few hours after his death:
“Kosovo’s prime minister is the head of a “mafia-like” Albanian group responsible for smuggling weapons, drugs and human organs through eastern Europe, according to a Council of Europe inquiry report on organized crime.
“Hashim Thaçi is identified as “the boss” of a network that began operating criminal rackets in the run-up to the 1999 Kosovo war, and has held powerful sway over the country’s government since.
“The report of the two-year inquiry, which cites FBI and other intelligence sources, has been obtained by the Guardian. It names Thaçi as having over the last decade exerted ‘violent control’ over the heroin trade.”
It was Holbrooke, one of the chief architects of the Kosovo war, who midwifed the KLA regime in Kosovo, and created a gangster state. When Strobe Talbott, then acting Secretary of State, called him for his recommendation on the Kosovo “crisis,” Holbrooke replied:
“You put us down as unanimously asking for bombing. Put us down as people who want bombing for peace. Strobe, this is very important. This is a critical moment for us personally. A responsibility of the nation. And the right thing to do. If the negotiations fail because of the bombing, so be it. Bombing is the right thing to do.”
I vividly recall Rep. Nancy Pelosi answering critics of her support for the war by uttering a single word as her bug eyes popped out of her head: “Genocide!”
It was all a lie, of course. There was no “genocide,” only a civil war in which no more than 10,000 people from both sides were killed. Hardly the sort of conflict that conjures up visions of the Holocaust, and yet that was precisely the imagery very effectively utilized by the War Party to hype the need for US intervention: we were told that as many as 50,000 Kosovar civilians were being systematically slaughtered by the Serbs. So, what happened to the bodies? Nowhere to be found. Where is the evidence of a Kosovar “holocaust”? There isn’t any, because no such event ever took place.
It was under the Clintons, and Holbrooke, that the US first embarked on its post-cold war crusade to inflict righteousness on the world’s peoples and export “democracy” at gunpoint. In a PBS documentary entitled “Give War a Chance,” which tells the story of Holbrooke’s career juxtaposed to that of Admiral Leighton “Snuffy” Smith, who was on the ground in the Balkans as the Clintonites rushed to war, the Admiral tells viewers how the preening Holbrooke screamed that he and his IFOR troops must stop the burning of Sarajevo. As the Bosnian Muslims carried out their program of ethnically cleansing the Bosnian capital, the Serbs set fire to their own homes before they fled, and Holbrooke wanted it stopped. As Admiral Smith recalls:
“Holbrooke said we stood by, as they burned their houses down. This is how they burned their houses down. They would turn the gas on in the house, light a candle, close the windows, and leave. Tell me how you’re gong to prevent that from happening. How do you stop somebody from being an arsonist in his own home? I mean, there are all kinds of way to start a fire, and if you don’t have a way to put the fires out, how in the living hell are you going to stop them?”
Our troops weren’t and aren’t firefighters, they’re soldiers – and there was no IFOR fire department. After repeated requests from IFOR, the Bosniak “fire department” was deployed, briefly, but gave up, says Smith, as soon as “the Serbs took a couple of shots at them.” The reality is that our Bosnian Muslim sock puppets let the city burn: it was better for them to have the world see Sarajevo burning, so as to evoke sympathy from the Western community.
When Admiral Smith – who described the Bosnian intervention as “the biggest damn mess in the world: absolutely, completely unworkable” – told the Clinton administration that they had run out of Level I targets to bomb, Holbrooke called him a liar. “If we can’t say precisely what we think to the political people,” said Smith to PBS, his face reddening with anger, “that give us the orders, and say, ‘Look, this is not a good idea,’ if we can’t tell them what it’s going to cost in terms of commitment and time, commitment and resources, lives; if we can’t be honest with the politicians and have them accept it as a professional military judgment, we are in a sorry state of affairs.”
Holbrooke, and the Clintons, weren’t interested in anyone’s professional military judgment: they wanted Serb blood. Holbrooke pushed back, hard, and demanded more intrusive and intense bombing raids. Smith told him he didn’t take orders from either Holbrooke or his military aide, Wesley Clark, but from NATO headquarters. Holbrooke went directly to the President, and the rest is some pretty bloody and shameful history.
“Figures from Thaçi’s inner circle are accused of secretly taking captives across the border into Albania after the war, where a few Serbs are said to have been murdered for their kidneys, which were sold on the black market.
“Legal proceedings began in a Pristina district court today into a case of alleged organ trafficking discovered by police in 2008. That case – in which organs are said to have been taken from impoverished victims at a clinic known as Medicus – is said by the report to be linked to Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) organ harvesting in 2000.”
This ghoulish regime is the legacy of Richard Holbrooke, and, indeed, of the bloody “humanitarian” interventionists of the Clinton era, who are, today, running our foreign policy. Kosovo is a nightmarish society in which human vampires, aided and abetted by the US-installed-and-supported “government,” tear out their victims’ organs and sell them on the open market. During the US-supported war of “liberation,” KLA units captured Serbs, spirited them across the border to Albania, and harvested their organs, the inquiry revealed. Also exposed: “Prime Minister” Thaci is the “boss” at the center of Europe’s vast heroin smuggling trade. Critics of the Balkan intervention long ago identified the KLA as nothing more than a criminal gang, yet this has never been officially acknowledged up until now. Indeed, Carla del Ponte was prevented from investigating the crimes of Thaci and the KLA: the Council of Europe’s inquiry was commissioned when she threw in the towel.
Reacting to Holbrooke’s death, Thaci sent a telegram to the State Department, declaring: “For citizens of Kosovo, the death of Richard Holbrooke is a loss of a friend, of a voice that protected the interest of the Republic of Kosovo.”
If Holbrooke meets the victims of his friend Thaci in the afterlife, he’ll have a bit of explaining to do. Where Holbrooke is going, however, I doubt they’ll let him have many visitors.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013
- Carla del Ponte’s Faux Pas – May 7th, 2013





Nick Mulgrave
December 14th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Bravo Justin! As a long time follower of your website you I like to thank you for your invaluable contribution to independent journalism. Again thank you very much.
BINSAFI
December 14th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Sorry Justin, but equating Bosnia & Sarajevo with Kosovo, is Foolish!
Peace, Love & Respect.
andy
December 14th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
America's intervention in the Balkans was wrong, pointless and criminal. It was the very last straw in turning me permanently against my country, or rather, its government, its duopoly one party rule and its abhorrent foreign policy.
MvGuy
December 14th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
I found this:
mario said…
As is always the case in the obscure world of politics, the criminal "giant" is elevated to the heroes' pantheon, when the dumb "small" one is thrown to the lions' den.
Wed Dec 15, 12:32:00 AM 2010
MvGuy
December 14th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
I wrote this:
Yes, could we, should we speak well of him after just passing…. Yes!!! We should…..if we could…. But only myopia and insensitivity could be our reasons to let the BullDozer slip away scot-free… I will omit the harm he wrought at Dayton and before in his service to (our) empire. I see that those whose lives were upended are doing quite well protesting how they were bulldozed into supine compliance with the losses as much as everything,husbands,wives..children!
Like the good Germans, not werking the death camps…but doing their part as a cog in awful machine of death with no dissent….is how I see this "giant"…..only WORSE!!!
The reason is Omar Khadir..!! Yes, that Omar Khadir…. the CONVICTED WAR CRIMINAL… and the BOY, captured at 15 in Afghanistan…who may have thrown a grenade at invading U.S. fighters during a firefight.. Any person involved in the machine of atrocity of the U.S. torture of that child that remained silent is no "giant" but a feckless moral coward and their stature belongs along with Pol Pot and the Nazis..
May he spend the eternities defending his ill deserved legend: 'greatness'
I believe the limited record shows a certain insensitivity and smallness..the little dozer that could… but didn't
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 14th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
I won't say RIP for Holbrooke, not because I am Serb, but because I've overheard some things while he was ambassador in Germany. To be honest, the Dayton Agreement as it was, was the best deal possible for Serbs, since Milosevic really was a big liability when it came to negotiating anything. And he didn't negotiate Rambouillet. So, don't blame him for Serb diplomatic ineptitude, he did his job.
But he had penchants that will never go public and that really make him a detestable person.
Guest
December 14th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
The man was a very eager tool for empire and that in a nut shell is all that needs to be known.
Wolfgang9
December 15th, 2010 at 2:43 am
Thank you, Justin, I never expected that an American would be so correct in this issue which was so much lied about in the MSM.
Wolfgang
Lloyd
December 15th, 2010 at 3:51 am
The Obama administration's spin on Holbrooke's last words:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/14/holbrook…
bogi666
December 15th, 2010 at 6:02 am
What about the criminal regime in Wash., D.C?
GradyWilson
December 15th, 2010 at 6:10 am
Milosevic committed the greatest crime imaginable to Washington – being a leftist foreign leader who refused to be subservient to Washington/Wall Street demands. So the US and NATO and their complient media had to make him into a monster and eliminate him. Although it can be argued that this was not a hard thing to do – it was not the black/white, good v evil, situation which was portrayed.
Nato (the US) did the most killing in this conflict – in the name of peace and liberty of course.
Raimondo writes a good column but is guilty again of focusing on a few trees (Holbrooke and the Clintons) without mentioning the forest (militant capitalist imperialism). Holbrooke and the Clintons are not independent actors. They are representatives of something much larger.
boutet
December 15th, 2010 at 6:29 am
Holbrooke was a product of Vietnam, the most idiotic war of the 20th century. Millions dead for absolutely nothing. Though in the words of John Donne, "any man's death diminishes me", Holbrooke's will diminish us less than that of any anonymous pig farmer in Cambodia
MvGuy
December 15th, 2010 at 7:06 am
I suppose it depends on how one counts………Is it pigs and people, pigs or people, pigs, or people..?
Frequent Contributor
December 15th, 2010 at 8:27 am
I couldn't agree more. One might hope that the world will be a safer, better place with the passing of the feted war criminal Richard Holbrooke, who went to work for the director fo the infamous Phoenix program when he was in his early 20s. But others will certainly take his place. Whenever and wherever people with integrity and courage dare to raise their heads, there is always a Holbrooke with bloodstained hands there to slap them down again.
"What annoys me most is when people abuse their power and harm innocents, and they didn't actually need to do it. … There needed to be more actions that created positive reform effects, more actions that were just and corrective to injustice." –Julian Assange
Bob Roddis
December 15th, 2010 at 9:16 am
I don't think it should surprise anyone to discover that the Clintons have been active in the installation of vampires as "leaders" of foreign countries. Hello!
Hacklheber
December 15th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Actually, is it coincidence that Holbrooke pops the clogs and out comes the COE Kosovo paper?
Heathcliff_Maw
December 15th, 2010 at 10:33 am
If I were a religious person, my eulogy for Holbrooke would be:
"Richard is not really, truly dead. No, I know he's somewhere right now looking up at us and screaming."
Genocide? Isn't that what Holbrooke facilitated in East Timor?
Bombing for peace? Isn't that the Orwellian solution he was proposing in 2000 for Iraq?
bozh
December 15th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
sorry, i do not think it is wise to deny, thwart a people's right to self-rule because their leaders are corrupt or even criminal.
and kosovo autonomy was granted to albanians by all yugoslav communists and not fascists. fascists actually abrogated it and which, obviously, exacerbated the tensions or conflict.
during the late 80s an dearly 90s, albanian leader, rugova, insisted on a political solution.
judging by the fact that serb fascists have by '94 expelled about one mn nonserbs from their ancestral lands; murdering probably 200k of them, i concluded at that time that serbia wld do that even a fortiori, against hated albanians of kosovo.
actually, serbia did expel about 800k kosovars in '99 and wld u believe it, they, along the 'left', blamed the west for it and not the perps!
and justin does not see that by far greater atrocity is an aggression and not whatever ensues thereafter.
and it is, to me, the pits, defending some of the worst fascists imaginable and initiators of all evil that befell serb neighbors; and in the name of egalitarianism; i.e., left. tnx
Terrance&Philip
December 15th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Holbrooke also helped abet the genocide of the East Timorese by the government of Indonesia in the '70's.
If Wikileaks had been around a decade ago, imagine how much more difficult it would have been for Holbrooke and the rest to bring Thaci to power.
What does it say about a country and a society that claim a man like Holbrooke, with so much blood on his hands, to be a great "patriot?"
liberranter
December 15th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
What does it say about a country and a society that claim a man like Holbrooke, with so much blood on his hands, to be a great "patriot?"
Actually, the only entities making that claim are the propaganda organs that trumpet the State's official party line. As far as most Americans are concerned, the man was either a non-entity or a blood-stained war criminal and national disgrace, as Justin so correctly reminds us.
Neil
December 15th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Holbrooke is now with his idol MENGELE
Eric Siverson
December 15th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Justin You come to the same conclusion i did about the Yugoslav wars . I attended Milosevics trail , one of your commentators said Milosevic was a easy target to defeat . Milosevic was not defeated not in the war or in the court room . In the 78 days of bombing little Serbia , Serbia did not surrender , The Serbs patently wanted for the NATO ground envasion . NATO did not want to come to Serbia so they signed resolution 1244 . This resolution left Kosovo in Serbia . and turned over security to the United nations untill peace could be established .. This agreement was canceled after Milosevic died . In court Milosevic was fantastic . Almost evrey day milosevic made complete fools out of his opposition . After 3 yrs the prosecutor told the court that he was no longer trying to convict milosevic of the crime of being involved in a joint criminal enterprize to creat a greater Serbia . . The Judges were shocked . Milosevic had a lot of fun that day ,
Arsim Ndreca
December 15th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Serbs deserved the bombiing, They are the biggest terrorists of the Balkans. Bravo for America! Interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan are maybe controversial and questionable, but US interventions in Bosnia and Kosova were just and holy. The Serb monster had to be crushed.
jackbootstate
December 15th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
"Holbrooke was a product of Vietnam, the most idiotic war of the 20th century. Millions dead for absolutely nothing…."
"Nothing"? The pair of Reebok shorts I own that were manufactured in Cambodia, or any pair of Nike shoes manufactured in Vietnam, in sweat shops tells me that it wasn't about "nothing". Or that the fact the Washington during Clinton time was able for force Hanoi to "agree" to pay the odious debts of the hated Saigon regime. Obama is attempting to do the same thing now with the odious war time debts forced onto Cambodia and Laos. That war was very good for the American Empire. It provided an object lesson in what happens if you dare to resist Washington: You'll get your face kicked in and the shit beat out of you.
jackbootstate
December 15th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
"America's intervention in the Balkans was wrong, pointless and criminal…."
Not pointless. It helped to dismantle what had been up to that point a state that had been a success story. Most noticeably an effective state when it came to keeping ethnically based conflict at bay. Want to find a good example of how to organize a multi-national nation? Right there it was in the form of the former Yugoslavia. You have to give people in that region something to call themselves, besides, "Croat" and "Serb", and Yugoslavia did that. As soon as it was dismantled, thanks to the tireless efforts of the U.S. and Germany, the region was, well, you know. "Balkanized", again. Now you have several small right wing republics that are run along neo-liberal economic lines, which means letting multinational corporations come into a country and do what ever they want. Hardly a pointless conflict and a tremendous victory for the U.S.-led West.
Margaret
December 15th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
'Serbs deserved the bombing.'
Arsim, I am glad you are on this site as you clearly need to be educated as to the damage that war inflicts on ordinary human beings the world over. No one deserves to be bombed. Nor do they deserve to be tortured. Nor do they deserve to be turned out of their homes.No one deserves to be disappeared or to have their organs harvested. War is evil. The only beneficiaries are big business, organised crime mafias (same thing). Wake up. The hatred you feel towards the Serbian people is racist. You cannot call an entire population terrorists. Ask yourself 'What have i gained from this hatred?'. Ask yourself, 'What has KLA gained?'. You are being exploited.
A great teacher (Jesus) once said, 'Love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you.' This is the message of peace.
I live in northern Ireland. I know what hatred does.
Peace to you, and goodwill.
Nick Mulgrave
December 15th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Arsim my friend. You have to ask yourself if the dropping of bombs on kindergartens and marketplaces can seriously be described as just and holy. And the destruction and slaughter of the people of Iraq and Afghanistan as merely controversial and questionable. I too come from the Balkans and nothing here is ever black and white. Now that the Serbian monster has been crushed as you say, should it now be considered correct that an Albanian monster should rear it head? Arsim my friend you should realize that "An eye for an eye" will make the world truly blind.
margaret
December 15th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
re 'pointless'
I have been racking my brains as to why the US should have any interest in Kosovo (never accept at face value claims of spreading democracy abroad).
Then it hit me: Camp Bondsteel – what is it FOR? It is there to protect US oil companies interests in the Caspian Sea. A huge pipeline has also been built, heading West naturally!
So another oil war, just like Iraq.
One can only assume that in selecting the KLA over other Kosovan 'freedom' fighters (terrorists), some grubby little deal was done to facilitate the US bases. If this is true it is disgusting.Would the Founding Fathers have supported a gang of criminals and used the instruments of state to get them into power?
btw Turkey was not one bit happy about Bondsteel. Result? Blair promised them entry to the EU to keep them sweet.
Hrebeljanovic
December 15th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Thank you Justin for writing the truth. Here is another great read on the same subject:
http://www.counterpunch.org/johnstone12152010.htm…
andy
December 15th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Even if I accept everything you say, it was NONE of America's BUSINESS.
andy
December 15th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Well said.
andy
December 15th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Do your own fighting.
Hrebeljanovic
December 15th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Dear Margaret,
at first, as well as you, I thought that control over oil resources was the main goal. However, I have come to believe that military base Bondsteel is there only to tell Russians that this is "our area of influence" and that we are "one step closer to your border". "Colored" revolutions in countries bordering Russia would confirm it. Finally, M. Allbright blabbered out: "Russia needs to share the wealth of Siberia with the rest of the world".
Unfortunately for both of us, there are quite a few sick idiots in Washington D.C. with a Napoleonic syndrome.
jack
December 15th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
thare throwing incubators out windows right now , try latter
Bob Bogus
December 15th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
I'm surprised Holbrooke died at 69. So many of the evil ones seem to live forever – Castro, Bush, Kissinger, Albright….the list of sociopaths covered in blood who live much longer than most of us will live seems endless.
bogi666
December 16th, 2010 at 5:01 am
It also served as the 1st experiment to use NATO as an extra governmental organization to run a country by creating puppet states too small to resist the NATO intrusion. The invasions by NATO in AfPak and Iraq are for the same extra governmental purpose. NATO has to concoct some reason for it's existence and it is to install extra governmental administrations instead of representative governments elected by citizens.
Rasputin77
December 16th, 2010 at 6:40 am
Of course, criticize him for his "job," when that job included helping to implement and cover up incidents of mass killing (Vietnam, East Timor, B-H, Kosovo). No one was forcing him to do jobs like that.
But anyway, Vojkan, please spill the beans on what you heard about him. He's dead; he can't sue you for libel. (And he libeled plenty of people in his life, anyway.)
Rasputin77
December 16th, 2010 at 7:00 am
Richard Holbrooke truly embodied the phrase "the banality of evil". What a nondescript, colorless, boring waste of a suit. Unintelligent, as well; for example, see this debate over the enlargement of Nato: <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:P-5FMVi9psUJ :www.ciaonet.org/conf/hor01/index.html+mandelbaum+holbrooke+debate&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1″ target=”_blank”>http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=ca…” target=”_blank”>:www.ciaonet.org/conf/hor01/index.html+mandelbaum+holbrooke+debate&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1
And yet he helped implement and/or cover up several episodes of mass killing (see my earlier comment).
Poetic justice that he died just before the anniversary of hist "greatest" achievement (the Dayton Accord), and the publishing of the Council of Europe's report on the KLA.
MvGuy
December 16th, 2010 at 7:00 am
Holbrooke was the vice chairman of Perseus LLC, a leading private equity firm. From February 2001 until July 2008, Holbrooke was a member of the Board of Directors of American International Group. During his time as a member of the board of directors of AIG, the firm engaged in wildly speculative credit default insurance schemes that may cost the taxpayer hundreds of billions to prevent AIG from bringing down the entire financial system. He was a member of the board of directors of the Council on Foreign Relations in New York and formerly served on the Advisory Board of the National Security Network. Holbrooke was also a member of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, the Citizens Committee for New York City, and the Economic Club of New York. He was a member of the Trilateral Commission, and he has been listed on their membership roster as one of their "Former Members in Public Service" [Wikipedia]
Terrance&Philip
December 16th, 2010 at 7:09 am
I had heard that Wolfowitz was one of his acolytes.
Terrance&Philip
December 16th, 2010 at 7:10 am
To clarify: One of Holbrooke's acolytes. Not one of Mengele's.
Rasputin77
December 16th, 2010 at 7:32 am
Feted and fetid.
B..
December 16th, 2010 at 7:43 am
I frequently disagree with Raimondo over many things from his staunch anti-FDR stance on EVERYTHING (including the ol' Frankie's legacies that I find commendable), to his rigid criticism of Israel.
However, one's gotta respect the man's brave and honest anti-war philosophy, as well as this almost caustically insightful writing talent. This is pure Raimondo at his coolest.
As a Serb myself, I'd get a bit one-sided in my praise for Antiwar.com's GROUNDBREAKING contribution to the cause of truth and peace in the Balkans. Back in the 1990's, it's been started as a COMPLETELY enthusiastic project of truth-seeking activists, in opposition to Clinton's mass-murdering Balkan venture. Interestingly, back in the 1990s – the age of the most rabid, gruesomely racist kill-all-the-Serbs hysteria generated by Western dinosaur (pre-Internet) media, PR agencies, and snaky politicians (all SHOWERED in tens of millions by Croatian neo-fascists – Tudjman and his ruling claque of Ante Pavelic-praising thugs – then Bosnian Islamists and Albanian heroin-and-human-organs-smugglers) – ANY notion in defense of the Serbs, no matter how rare in American discourse, was panned as a "Serbian propaganda". Yeah, those mighty Serbs and all the PR companies in their service.
So it happened to the AWC as well, and the smear lingered on, despite its screaming idiocy. This includes Soros/NED/IRI/German/EU-funded thugs in Serbian media, the quislings which had been making their fat salaries DIRECTLY out of the misery and misfortune of their own people. Yes, I'm talking about the ones who cheered Tudjman, Naser Oric and Hasim Thaci back in the days, covered by the obscene alibi that "objective reporting" means – kowtowing to the official Washington line. Pretty much, they are doing the same despicable things as we speak. Their criticism of Holbrooke-s legacy is VIRTUALLY non-existent, as they appear annoyed and malevolent toward the latest discoveries of Thaci's monstrous "politics".
Anyhow, the truth emerges as it always did, and American people should be proud for having Antiwar.com, founded on truth-telling enthusiasm way back, when Internet was still young, and (luckily) survived long enough to transform into the cornerstone of the independent political thought and courageous reporting (certainly not limited to the US context, or even the English-speaking world). The liars and criminal call-girls in the media would be remembered for what they were, and Antiwar.com is here to stay.
Arsim Ndreca
December 16th, 2010 at 7:45 am
The principle "an eye for an eye" was first introduced by Serbs who say that they have the right to kill Balkan Muslim civilians (not only Albanians), in order to avenge their "suffering" during the Ottoman rule. Their whole national(ist) ideology is full of this vengeful impulse: the underlying assumption is that the Balkan Muslims are somehow genetically, hereditarily guilty for the enslavement of Serbs under the Turkish yoke. It is some perverse and sick ideology, contrary to the tenets of Christianity, which they purport to be professing and proudly defending. Of course, peoples who are victims of the various Serbian aggressions don't accept this logic, namely, that they deserve to be slaughtered by Serbs, in order to expiate some misdeeds done by some of their ancestors during the Ottoman rule, the First World War, the Second World War, or God knows when, and the victims fight back and occasionally exert vengeance on Serbs. Then the Serbs start to whine and complain, although it's just the principle "an eye for an eye" that is being practiced on them, the principle they consider right.
Arsim Ndreca
December 16th, 2010 at 7:48 am
We were doing our own fighting, during almost 90 years when Kosova was under the Serbian occupation. There was resistance, sometimes passive, sometimes active, with different methods employed.
Arsim Ndreca
December 16th, 2010 at 7:54 am
Why don't you tell all of this to Serbs? Because that what you are accusing me of, is the way Serbs feel (and sometimes act!) in regard to all peoples surrounding them.
B..
December 16th, 2010 at 8:07 am
@ Margaret
Please, stop wasting your breath. It is so painfully obvious that our friend Arsim is just another little troll, doing his shift in lambasting The Evil Serbs and teaching the contributors to death about Serbian Sheer Nastiness vs. his own Tribe's Righteous Path. Every comment section in the universe has its own Arsim. Don't take my word, just check ANY story that contains the word "Serb" in ANY context and scroll to the comments' board
Rasputin77
December 16th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Sources for your racist rant?
Rasputin77
December 16th, 2010 at 8:15 am
Yes, fighting. Like that Fulbright professor who was dragged out of his car when he was going to rescue his elderly mother, and got beaten to death. Other examples of the "fighting" you refer to: http://www.kosovoblog.com/photos/albanian-terror-…
B..
December 16th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Oh, yeah. Your glorious SS Waffen "Skanderbeg" division, whose brave 'resistance' put to death THOUSANDS of (Serbian and Jewish) civilians in Kosovo at the request of your Nazi masters. Don't bother mentioning the Albanians who saved the Jews, those (brave and honorable!) acts took place EXCLUSIVELY in Albania proper. Kosovo Albanians were eager Nazis (and your criminal regime in celebrating them today, naming the streets in their honor, which bizarrely coincides with 'Bill Clinton Avenue' in EVERY Albanian village in today's Kosovo).
As for 'different methods employed', some poor drug addict in Western Europe or US is being beaten to death by his Albanian drug dealer (or dying from heroin bought from 'Albanian freedom fighters') as we speak.
You despicable tribal fascist
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 8:46 am
I have no material evidence. And I have no way to gather it. So, all I hope for is that there are hints somewhere in the WikiLeaks cables. It concerns the period while he was ambassador in Germany and why his mandate was shortened.
As for his job, I don't have enough information to bring a judgment on what he did outside the former Yugoslavia. Maybe, I didn't formulate properly, but what I wanted to say was that his role in the Balkans has been facilitated by the ineptitude of the Serbian leadership, and I have really better info about that. After all, he was Milosevic's favourite Western interlocutor.
Arsim Ndreca
December 16th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Fruits of Serbian "heroism" in Kosovo (massacred Albanians):
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/rugove.htm
http://www.alb-net.com/kcc/recak.htm
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/abri.htm
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/lybeniq.htm
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/prekaz.htm
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Where did you get your numbers? I suppose you will agree that the ICTY in the Hague can hardly be labelled as pro-Serb. But even their numbers don't come nowhere close to yours. But then you're Croat, and Croat are renowned for having turned their mythology into their official History. Except, than in truth, everybody knows who you are and the only reason the West supported you wasn't to defend you against Serbs because of your rightfulness but in order to stomp on a country they believe is a little Russia in the Balkans.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 8:57 am
No need to reply. He's Albanian. Like all fanatics, he will never admit facts, in whatever form they're presented to him. In the end, that fanaticism will lead to their own downfall.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Another interesting link on what was eventually established as an independent state, thanks to Holbrooke's mediation:
http://www.slate.com/id/2278048?nav=wp
Arsim Ndreca
December 16th, 2010 at 9:13 am
How about reading "Mountain Wreath" written by the Montenegrin-Serb poet Petar Petrovic Njegos? A booklet of anti-Muslim bigotry, which inspired generations of nationalist Serbs (I Ithink there is English translation online). Then you can listen to genocidal utterings of the leaders of Bosnian Serbs (like Karadzic and Koljevic, intellectuals both, who know what they are talking about, not some illiterate peasants). You could also read some Serbian folk poetry (gusle and stuff), Moljevic's plan for homogeneous Serbia (which was carried out by "antifascist chetniks"), Vaso Cubrilovic's plans for the ethnic cleansing of Kosova, some Karadzic's poetry, the entire literature on the Kosovo myth etc. Not all of these can be found online (though something can), for something one has to consult libraries. I gave you some hints, if you are really interested.
Arsim Ndreca
December 16th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Serbs dare accuse someone of "fanaticism"? Serbs have been spamming the entire internet, for years, with propaganda trying to prove they are right. Now that's true fanaticism.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Actually, there's a hint in the eulogy written by Strobe Talbott in the Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti…
Thanks to Angela Keaton who posted it on her Facebook page.
Arsim Ndreca
December 16th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Sources? Give me sources, you hysterical fanatical Serbian tribalist.
Arsim Ndreca
December 16th, 2010 at 9:19 am
No evidence yet. Just anti-Albanian propaganda.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 9:39 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bujar_Bukoshi
http://books.google.fr/books?id=mOcDAAAAMBAJ&… http://www.google.fr/search?as_q=bukoshi+dobroshi…
A shorter version of a link above:
http://www.brugerforeningen.dk/bf.nsf/pagesuk/65E…
You want more?
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 9:42 am
There are four links in my reply above, I don't know why they got formatted like they did. I did put them on separate lines.
One more, for those reading German:
http://www.albania.de/alb/index.php
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Two in Norwegian:
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2001/07/09/268353…
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2006/09/26/477913…
Rasputin77
December 16th, 2010 at 9:52 am
The first link he provides shows KLA soldiers in uniform dead. That's a war crime?
The next link, Racak dead. We know how disputed that is.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 10:13 am
So what are you trying to say? That you're justified in hating Serbs and that you're justified to commit atrocities against them? What am I supposed to do? Answer with atrocity porn against atrocity porn?
For starters, Racak was not a massacre, it was a set up. Everybody knows it, so writing it in Albanian instead of the name under which the whole world knows it fools no one.
Second, I dare you find a single post here where I said that Serbs were innocent lambs. I dare you find a single comment in which I attacked Muslims as a whole. I dare you find a single article on this whole site that says that Serbs were innocent lambs. You're so blinded by your "mission" that you obviously fail to see the purpose of this site.
As long as you behave as you do, I'm sorry to say, you won't make it into civilisation. And for info, I have a good personal experience of Albanian hospitality before Milosevic got into power. I happen to have origins in Kosovo.
Terrance&Philip
December 16th, 2010 at 10:14 am
What an exit. Worthy of Shakespeare or any Greek tragedian. Uttering his last words, "You've got to end the war in Afghanistan!" before going under the knife.
Arsim Ndreca
December 16th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Rasputin was first to show atrocity porn. As I said, Serbs have been spamming the internet with their atrocity porn for years.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Except that you would have been more credible if your first two links weren't on photographs of dead combatants.
And by the way, if Kosovo was under occupation by Serbs, how come that an overwhelming majority of toponyms there has Slavic roots and bears no relation whatsoever with the Albanian language? How come that the Albanian names are in their vast majority mere translations of the Serbian ones.
How come there are no traces of any Illyrian civilisation in Kosovo and that the Muslim heritage is actually an Ottoman heritage?
And how do you explain this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_languages?
bozh
December 16th, 2010 at 10:52 am
it wasn't just western media which reported that serbia had expelled ab. 800k albanians. however, if u think the number of expellees was smaller or much smaller, that's ok with me!
we need to study or explain why fascist serbs assassinated stambolich and abrogated kosovo autonomy?
we also need a scientific study ab. why good 50% [may be more] of serbs believe that parts of croatia are serb holy lands?
and why have serbs assassinated in '14 archduke ferdinand and three croat'n parliamentarians in belgrad parliament '28, and deposed elected yug. govt in '41?
and why has serbia lost support from canada, u.k, france? let's recall that during maslenica offensive, u.k threatened croatia with bombardment for merely trying to reconnect n. dalmatia with croatia?
it's up to serbs to find out why serb allies abandoned serbs and serbia in, say, '95. and in case of u.s, early '94?
if serbs do not find out what nato wld do if such and such [whatever] happens, then, it's up to them.
nato has issued a warning to all balkan lands: borders are set! it shld be recalled that serbia obtained vojvodina and kosovo only because u.s invaded europe and by doing that defeated croatia, hungary, germany, and austria.
so, u.s and nato, seems, decided: look we saved ur ass in ww1; gave u new lands. u continue to act against us, u'l pay dearly!
this answer is also valid for the person who said that "it wasn't any of american business".
ok! it is a mute point whether nato shld have opted for letting serbs have their way!?
but, please recall, that u.n also was against serb expansionism and not just nato [from '94]. tnx
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 10:54 am
And vampires "live" forever. Are you sure their apparent longevity isn't because they're actually zombies. Besides, maybe we simple mortals are too sensitive to such trivia as the right to life and things like that, which makes us more prone to illnesses, whereas they're above such down to earth considerations which in turn makes them appear arcane to us.
Bianca
December 16th, 2010 at 11:02 am
This is ridiculous, even coming from you. It will be more productive to focus on the crime cartel wars of 80s and 90s. These were the wars Thaci won. His control of heroin trade was achieved by getting soldiers from the populace in the name of "resistance" to Belgrade. Refusal to be recruited was punished. All the atrocities were pinned on Belgrade, including Racak "massacre". But at that point, Washington already had an experienced hand on ground: Walker. One more connection is needed: Afghanistan with 90 pct of opium and heroin production, and Thaci, since nineties the absolute king of European (and beyond) heroin trade. Afghanistan was the first country to recognize Kosovo. 65 bill of Afghan opium trade must come out of their mountain perch somehow. And Kosovo lala land is a perfect distributor. Who else profits?
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 11:13 am
I don't know why you are upset with Mr Raimondo's criticism of Israel. The Palestinians there essentially suffered a similar fate as Serbs in Kosovo. They were expelled by the massive immigration of a foreign population.
If there had been justice, Israel would have been created by taking away chunks of Bavaria and Austria, not by cleansing people from a territory on which they have lived for more than a thousand years. And some research has found out that the local population was genetically more related to the Jews populating the area 2000 years ago than are the immigrants from the Soviet Union. Which makes Israel as much a religious regime as that of the Iranian mullahs.
Besides, I see his stance against Israel as a reaction to the unconditional support the US provides it, even at the expense of US citizens, rather than an expression of anti-Israeli bias. Do some research, and you'll find out that there a lot of American Jews who are uncomfortable too with that support.
Bianca
December 16th, 2010 at 11:23 am
You are wasting your time. Kosovo was the hotbed of crime for a long time. For all those years you claim being "occupied", Kosovo for the first time in it's history received investments from all Yugoslav peoples, from Slovenians, Croatians, Bosnians, Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians. Serbs would say we learned our lesson, so we did. But as others were forced to see things for what they are, I feel mostly sorry for true ethnic Kosovo Albanians. While Thaci imported tens of thousands poor Albanians from Albania, he marginalized native Kosovars. Those were supporting Rugova, not the narco-cartels sold as "freedom fighters" by clintonistas. Theybwere the ones being killed in the figght for cartel supremacy, which Taci won. The newcomers from Albania just wanted Yugoslav passport and visa free travel in Europe. They devastated "disloyal" native Kosovars, whose story is yet to be heard.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 16th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Apart from the two notorious falsehoods contained in "serbia obtained vojvodina and kosovo only because u.s invaded europe and by doing that defeated croatia, hungary, germany, and austria", your comment is really informing for a neutral reader.
First I didn't know there was a Croatia before and during WWI, because Serbia obtained Vojvodina and Kosovo after WWI, second, in the last part of your statement, I thought the Red Army defeated the Hungarians and I thought that Croats were against the Ustasha regime and that they defeated it themselves.
Feel sorry that Nazism was defeated? Keep up the good work of showing your true nature.
Bianca
December 16th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Hatred is the key ingredient in any imperial divide and conquer strategy. Many grievances in Balkans were just irresistible for the newly minted empire. How far do yup wish to go in recalling only your grievances, while being blind to the suffering of your "enemies"? You just asked us to consider Serb misdeeds to other surrounding peoples. You mean like Jasenova concentration camp where hundreds of thousands Serbs died on the altar of the then mighty "thousand year Reich"? Or the survivors of Jasenovac annihilated in the nineties? Or those in Bosnia or Kosovo who jxst for being Serbs had to die to erradicate any challenge to the mighty new wold order?
You may have noticed that the empires are drawn by Balkans. All empires are vampires and survive on human blood. But Kosovo is the sunlight, the land of mysticism from the time immemorial. The sunshine is on the way, and vampires run for the protection of darkness. As a native, you ought know better then to defend the latest vampire narrative. As nothing will change. As some vampires fall on their stake, other hopefuls come to rearrange the landscape. Natives get pitted against each other, and the visions of prosperous vampire kingdoms are the promised Faustian deals with local servants veiling to offer the blood of the innocents. I wish to you and everyone you care about all the best and may your most noble wishes come true and bring you the blessings in the future. May be you will have the answer that nobody has so far. Why are our Balkan lands such a magnet for vampires? Why is their poisonous bite so devastating to the populace? Why do so many under the influence commit unspeakable crimes, and others wait for their turn when one vampire dies, and another is drawn into the Bakan mists as flies to a flame? And why is the local blood, so cherished by every aspiring vampire ultimately poisonous to their mighty powers?
liberranter
December 16th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
We can only hope that ol' Joe has found a new subject on which to keep his vivisection skills alive in the afterlife.
bozh
December 16th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
no croatia until ww1?? meaning to say there were no croats in the region commonly called croatia. and if there had been a few croat'ns, all others were catholic serbs, who were, prior to their conversion to catholicism, orthodox serbs!
now, in spite of this 'fact', serb ww1 allies, nevertheless, did not allow 'reunification' of all holy serb lands.
the evil soyuz [eventually even to serbs] only punished in '19 vojvodina germans and magyars and albanians just about everywhere.
red army defeat of hungary in '45 had not resulted in any loss of land for hungary. hungary lost vojvodina and other parts [some of which were neither legally nor morally theirs] in '19.
the 300k volksdeutscher of vojvodina had been expelled by communists in '45 or even earlier.
i do not think that just because a nation conquers another, that we have to honor such conquest for ever.
we do not need to honor conquest of tibet, palestina, kosovo, chechnya, porto rico, s. korea, afgh'n, iraq forever!
croatian partisans take credit for croat borders they have now. at bleiburg '45, ustasha army had been disarmed by u.k troops and delivered to partisans. it seems all 60-120k surrendering ustasha soldiers and civilians have been slain or died in among marches back to croatia.
it shld have ended serb demand croats shld be killed or expelled because of ustasha slaughter of 30k croatian socialists-communists, 30 k 'jews', and about 100k-200k serbs.
the guilty people were punished; other fled before war ended.
about 30k chetniks, who surrender to u.k forces, also have been slain for the same reason.
but serbs wanted to expand; so, they had to renovate historical record. and it worked for them until '94.
it is not gonna work ever again! time has come to bury the hatchet!
as i have often stated there never was afterm say. 10 k yrs, justice-fairness; truth, in short, to be had! one is simply chasing after an illusion. tnx
bozh
December 16th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
while waiting for my comment to appear, i'l say just this:
when partisans killed or caused death to 60-120 k ustasha soldiers and civilians, serb, jewish, and croatian deaths by the hand of ustasha movement in '45, these deaths had been avenged; thus, no need for calling further punishment of croats or croatia.
however, if most serbs wld have accepted punishment as correct; this, wld have occluded their claim [on grounds that they are in peril] to much of bosnia, and parts of croatia.
thus, the perils were reevoked once again in order justify serb aggressions against slovenia, croatia, bosnia, and kosovo. it did not take much to convince most of the West that serbs were right.
however, it cld be noted that many lands were dismayed by nato stance. and nato saw writing on the wall: persisting to defend serb aggressions posed a rift to nato and ecomic union.
germany, austria, hungary, vatican was a force to reckon with also.
as i say: if u want to be wise, cast the widest and longest look possible. alas, serbs never had.
mind u nobody else did nor does now; ergo, the bloodshed. ergo, napoleon wars, two hundred-year wars, 30yrs war, franco-prussian war, ww1, ww2; korean, iraq, afgh'n, palestinian, vietnam wars.
it never ends!
more to come! tnx
Rasputin77
December 16th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Well, if you're God, you can set your own schedule.
Rasputin77
December 16th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
I'd like to sincerely thank Justin and Antiwar.com for shining a light on Kosovo ever since they started. It was rare to see unbiased English-language commentary on the fmr Yugoslavia at that time. (It still is pretty infrequent!)
Stanley
December 17th, 2010 at 5:37 am
Wasn't the United States engaged militarily and against the Serbs in both instances, while the non-Serbian combatants were largely Muslim? What do you see as foolish there (except your own words)?
margaret
December 17th, 2010 at 7:30 am
Dear Hrebeljanovic,
Thanks for the reply.
I had also previously shared your views re Russia, but I couldn't figure out the strategic advantage in an out dated 'cold war' mindset. Given that Russia has been fighting muslim extremism in the Caucasus and shares a border with Afganistan etc., they should have been well placed for alliance with US/nato to build a bigger war machine, dear help us…
There is certainly an element of delineating a US sphere of influence (cf also South Ossetia/ Georgia). Albright's comment is revealing in that this appears to imply that US energy companies should be allowed to operate inside Russian territory. So i understand where you are coming from regarding Bondsteel being more that just there to protect the oil pipeline….(very worrying by implication….)
It seems to me that both our views are correct and not mutually exclusive: Bondsteel serves a duel purpose – to control oil resources and infrastructures but also to place pressure on Russia by being 'one step closer to your border'.
The 'sick idiots' aren't just in Washington. I live in the UK, and our political leaders are just as bad. Blair was a disaster. He is in this conspiracy up to his neck – Iraq, Afganistan, the Balkans. And remember, it was he who did the legwork for befriending Libya.
Yet Blair poses as some kind of saint, on a mission to save humanity, Holbrooke's legacy is lauded. We live in a world where values are turned upside down – 'Fair is foul and foul is fair' (Macbeth).
margaret
December 17th, 2010 at 7:46 am
Hundred of Christian churches in Kosovo have been destroyed. Many of them date back to the middle ages. A ninety year occupation by Serbia? Get real.
B..
December 17th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Vojkan, I've never said that Raimondo's criticism of Israel is based on either anti-Israeli or anti-Semitic bias. The man himself has always been VERY vocal and eloquent in calling the anti-Semitic nutjobs – who discredit the anti-war efforts by spamming their insane rants – what they are (which is rightful and welcomed by any sane person).
Yes, I know that many (both left- and libertarian-leaning) American Jews criticize the official US stance o Middle East (for example, Noam Chomsky and the late Howard Zinn – both Jewish – happen to share a lot with Raimondo in that aspect).
I've just said that, as a Serb, I happen to sympathize with Israel for the whole bunch of reasons (anti-Israeli media bias, especially in Western Europe, are ugly and tiresome as in Serbian case itself: both countries are being routinely described and "intolerant", "militarist", etc, while their enemies are being treated as the righteous freedom-fighters, despite the weight of evidence to the contrary).
Any sort of "going Middle East" in this discussion would lead us heavily off-topic.
I've just said that I enjoy Raimondo's writing, regardless of disagreement at some points. One should not be a 100% supporter, in order to give someone a credit where it's due, right?