Anti-Interventionism, Then and Now
A brief history of the anti-interventionist movement, from World War I to the present day
The following is the transcript of a talk given on October 26, at California Lutheran University, hosted by the Steven and Susan Woskow Trust and co-sponsored by Students for Liberty, the World Can’t Wait, Ventura County Libertarian Party, and the Center for Equality & Justice. The text has been edited for publication.
The subject at hand, the anti-interventionist trend in American politics, is of more than academic interest. As I speak, American troops are engaged in two wars, and Washington is threatening a third. On the left, the prostration of the former antiwar movement is near total: the speed and abjectness of the capitulation before the cult of Obama has been astonishing. Never has a movement evaporated so quickly, and with such alacrity, the long tradition of left-wing anti-interventionism betrayed and forgotten. Eugene Victor Debs is spinning in his grave.
On the right, the exact opposite is occurring: conservatives are rediscovering an anti-imperialist tradition that has long been reviled by the former leftists who now “police” their movement. Once forgotten, the slogan of “America First” has been making a comeback in recent years, ever since Patrick J. Buchanan revived it back in the early 1990s, making it the leitmotif of his presidential campaigns. Indeed, it was Buchanan who, in response to the first Gulf war, raised the banner of a movement that had the courage to ask: “Why should a single American die for the Emir of Kuwait?” A decade later, when Bush Jr. invaded Iraq, he was not alone among conservatives in predicting disaster.
Now, in response to President Obama’s escalation of our endless “war on terrorism,” many conservatives are moving into opposition. Cynics may say that this is due entirely to political opportunism, but may I remind you that opportunism in the cause of peace is no vice – and if, in search of a rationale for this turnabout, conservatives care to reclaim their historical legacy, it is there for the taking.
Yet it is on the left that the anti-imperialist tradition is so deeply imprinted that there’s less chance of forgetting it, and no excuse for betraying it. A left shorn of its opposition to America’s wars of aggression is no longer the left in any recognizable sense of the term: and yet that is what seems to have happened to the so-called progressive movement in America, which has been largely subsumed by the Obama cult. As a liberal Democratic President wages two wars and threatens a third – Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan – the great historical traditions of the left-wing movement in America are being trod underfoot.
Internationalism is – or was — the signature spirit of the socialist movement worldwide, and I don’t mean that in the contemporary sense of the word. Today, internationalism refers to the actions of states in regard to other states: a modern “internationalist” is one who advocates intervention in the affairs of other nations on the basis of some notion of “collective security,” or spreading “freedom,” or some such nonsense.
Back in the old days, however, at the birth of the socialist and left-wing tendencies in American politics, internationalism was understood in the individual sense, that is, as the solidarity of individual workers internationally against their own ruling classes – and against war, which, they believed, was generated by the very dynamics of the capitalist system. Imperialism, said the Communists, is the final stage of capitalism, when the crisis of overproduction forces the capitalists to turn to foreign markets, and the wars between capitalist nations were seen in this context – inter-imperialist rivalries over the spoils of capitalist exploitation. In these conflicts, the early socialists argued, the workers don’t take a side – they take their own side, which is for the abolition of capitalism and war.
This principle was sorely tested when World War I broke out, and the socialist parties in Germany, Russia, and all throughout Europe and the world were faced with a choice: support the war and go along to get along, or uphold the internationalist spirit and the platform of the Socialist International, which called on the workers of the world to oppose war. The Germans chose to go along, and so did the socialist parties of Western Europe and Russia. Only the followers of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, the so-called Bolsheviks, not only opposed the war but called for the defeat of their own ruling class.
Amid the ruins of a devastated Western Europe, the pro-war wing of the Social Democracy lost the confidence and support of their formerly massive base. In the East, however, it was quite a different story: there the Bolshevik program of land, bread, and peace had gained popular support, even as the Russian armies fell back in retreat. The Czarist regime began to crumble, and, after a brief phase of democratic liberalism, the Bolsheviks and their allies gained the upper hand. The Russian Revolution was in full swing, and, in very short order, given the scale of the event, the Soviet state had replaced the rule of the Romanoffs. The so-called “workers’ fatherland” was an international fact of reality — and so was its distorting impact on the development of the international socialist movement.
The effects of that distortion didn’t kick in quite yet, however: the pristine purity of the original internationalist ideal was still intact, embodied by the nascent Communist or Third International. In America, the old Socialist Party split, with the pro-war right-wing capitulating before Woodrow Wilson’s witch hunt, and the more principled wing, led by Eugene Victor Debs, facing the full onslaught of government repression head on and virtually alone. Debs was jailed for making a speech against the war, and the Socialist press was closed down. The teaching of the German language was banned in all schools, and the music of Brahms and Beethoven was banished from the concert halls.
The immigrant German and Irish miners were caught up in this hysteria, much of it based on ethnicity, and came under particular scrutiny, on account of their alleged “subversive” sympathies. Union leaders were accused of sabotaging the war effort.
You’ve heard of “company towns”: well, in those days Montana was a company state, and that company was Anaconda Copper. The Montana Council of Defense, a group appointed by the Company-owned governor, assumed almost total power in the state – in the name of winning the war, of course.
There then arose a champion of freedom to defend the Germans, the Irish, and the unions against the War Party: Burton K. Wheeler, a longtime enemy of Anaconda, who, with the help of the liberal faction of the Democratic party, managed to get himself appointed state district attorney on the resignation of the incumbent. Wheeler, who had defended union organizers from Anaconda, now felt called on to defend a Non Partisan League organizer who was beaten and driven out of town by a pro-war mob: he searched (in vain) for the murderers who dragged Frank Little, an IWW organizer who spoke out against the war, from his bed and hanged him from a railroad trestle in Butte. More than 2500 mourners turned Little’s funeral procession into an antiwar protest. When the editor of the Butte Bulletin, Bill Dunn, thundered that "every man, woman and child knows that Company agents perpetrated this foulest of all crimes," he was accused of sedition. But Wheeler refused to prosecute him, just as he refused to prosecute all the other dissidents whose only crime was to take the US Constitution seriously.
The Council of Defense went on the warpath, and the newspapers joined in, demanding his resignation. Wheeler’s life was threatened. His friends crossed the street to avoid him. While his wife stood by his side, and his good friend, Senator Thomas Walsh, offered to reappoint him despite the tremendous political pressure to dump him, Wheeler resigned, and returned to the practice of law, sidelined for the moment – but with a bright future ahead of him as a US Senator, and one of the leading progressive opponents of interventionism in that august body. But we are getting ahead of ourselves….
The Wilsonian internationalism of the progressives, grouped around The New Republic magazine, was the exact opposite of the Marxist internationalism that motivated Debs to defy the sedition laws and energized the midwestern populists of the Non Partisan League, the Socialist party left wing, and the nascent Communist party. In Wilson’s vision, the US and a concert of nations would secure the peace and enforce the right of national self-determination, ending the enslavement of small nations and setting up an international league of states that would enforce the peace. It was to be a revolution from above, on an international scale.
The results were quite different: not universal peace, but the farce of the Versailles treaty, which divided up Europe (and the colonies of the defeated nations) among the victorious powers, imposed draconian conditions on prostrate Germany, and created the conditions for another world war. The disillusionment of the Wilsonian liberals, who had put their hearts into this campaign of international moral and political uplift, was complete, and led to a wave of revulsion which soured the public and the intellectuals on interventionism for many years afterwards. An entire generation grew up in the shadow of the Great War, a war many came to believe had been fought under false pretenses, and this gave rise to an entrenched national skepticism towards internationalism of the Wilsonian variety, or, indeed, any other variety.
The rise of the Soviet Union as the lodestar of the left, internationally and in this country, began to have its effect on the peace movement in the 1930s, as Hitler rose to power in Germany and the consequences of the Versailles “peace” settlement began to boil over. At first posing as the greatest enemies of fascism, the Communist parties in the West characterized Hitler as a danger that could only be faced by a Communist regime: refusing to join in an alliance with the Socialists and the moderate parties against the Nazi wave, the German Communists were crushed by Hitler’s legions and the Nazis rode into power in the last real elections Germany would hold until after the war.
The party line changed with each shift in the Kremlin’s international machinations: the signing of the Hitler-Stalin pact, in 1939, meant that the Communists were busy organizing a plethora of “peace” groups. Their slogan was: “The Yanks Are Not Coming!” This lasted until June, 1941, when Hitler broke the pact and invaded the Soviet Union: legend has it that a Communist party speaker, hectoring an audience in New York City’s Union Square, reportedly changed his line in mid-sentence after a note was passed to him relaying the news.
With robotic uniformity, Communists working in the peace movement completely changed their tune, as the party rushed to join the growing chorus for US intervention in the European war. Enslaved to the foreign policy of the Soviet Union, the Communists and their many fellow travelers in the United States switched gears without missing a beat. Overnight they became the vanguard of the War Party, and the most zealous in attacking the growing anti-interventionist movement.
This movement – the biggest antiwar movement in American history, then or since – was the America First Committee, with hundreds of thousands of members and millions of supporters.
By the winter of 1940, as the war in Europe heated up, the interventionist chorus had become a deafening roar: every Anglophile, every left-wing "antifascist," every friend of the Soviet Union was raising his or her voice – America, they declared, must intervene and save the West from the dreaded Hun! American public opinion – up until this point decidedly and overwhelmingly opposed to US entry into the war – began to shift. In September of 1939 poll numbers revealed that Americans wanted to keep the peace above all: by November, 1940, however, they were telling the same pollsters that they preferred all-out war to a Nazi victory over England. It was time for the non-interventionists to speak, or forever hold their peace.
The America First Committee was the response of a disparate coalition to the propaganda blitz: founded on September 4, 1940, a mere 15 months before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, it grew out of a student antiwar organization, led by R. Douglas Stuart, Jr., son of the first vice president of the Quaker Oats Company. After linking up with General Robert E. Wood, chairman of the board of Sears, Roebuck & Co., the AFC went national, set up a Chicago headquarters, and began running newspaper ads attacking provocative policies of the Administration. With a speakers bureau, a variety of publications, local chapters, and rallies in cities and towns all across America, the AFC eventually grew to 850,000 dues-paying members organized in 450 chapters.
It was a grand coalition, encompassing conservative Republicans, such as William R. Castle, Undersecretary of State in the Hoover administration, the liberal Chester Bowles, and the populist progressive Senators Phillip LaFollette and Wheeler, along with the Socialist leader Norman Thomas. Conservatives saw Roosevelt’s determination to get us into the war as part of his domestic strategy to impose socialism on American industry. The free enterprise system, as Americans had known it, would be the first casualty of the war: the economy would be militarized and a kind of NRA-plus created, in which wages and prices would be controlled. Democracy was in danger.
This was no gathering of sandal-wearing fruit-juice drinking pacifists – although prominent pacifists, such as Frederick J. Libby, of the National Council for the Prevention of War, could be found among its activists and fellow-travelers. It was, instead, a focal point for American nationalists who believed that we had nothing to gain and everything to lose by entering the war. America, they believed, could defend itself, without intervening in Europe or Asia.
The public pronouncements of the AFC expressed the three major themes of what is today called the Old Right, but what really ought to be called the Original Right: a movement dedicated to limited government at home and minimal overseas entanglements — a worldview that defined the conservative movement before Bill Buckley and the Kristol family got their hands on it.
First and foremost among these themes was anti-statism, as somewhat dramatically overstated by the Old Right pamphleteer and novelist Rose Wilder Lane, who declared that, by entering the European conflict, we’d win the war against national socialism in the trenches — and lose it on the home front. The conservative and libertarian opponents of the New Deal saw the war issue through the lens of a beleaguered political minority that had been backed into a corner. With the depression deepening, and the specter of a European-style collectivism — either socialism or corporatism — looming over the country, the embattled defenders of the free enterprise system had every reason to fear being swallowed up in the maelstrom of wars and revolutions sweeping the globe.
Roosevelt’s drive to war, in their view, was just another bid to consolidate power on the home front, like the court-packing scheme which had alienated progressives like Senators Wheeler and LaFollette. War would mean rationing, censorship, and the imposition of military discipline on the nation’s entrepreneurs, shopkeepers as well as titans of industry: FDR’s National Recovery Administration, which sought to cartelize the economy, appalled progressives of Wheeler’s sort as well as conservative businessmen like Henry Regnery, a top AFC donor. The President, they believed, aspired to become a dictator, and wartime conditions would fulfill his dream.
As a corollary to their anti-statism, anti-communism entered into the mix. The anti-interventionist movement gained a lot of traction in conservative circles when Hitler turned on Stalin, his former ally, and invaded the Soviet Union. Colonel Robert Rutherford McCormick, publisher of the Chicago Tribune, presciently warned that, if we entered the war, we’d wind up handing half of Europe over to the Kremlin: far better to let the Nazis and the Communists tear each other to pieces.
Secondly, the America First movement was an eruption of populism, a resistance movement of the majority against the elite’s determination to involve us in a war most ordinary Americans wanted nothing to do with. Right up until the attack on Pearl Harbor, 79 percent of the American people opposed getting into the war, and were skeptical of any measures, such as the Lend-Lease Act, that threatened to involve us. The America Firsters were visibly influenced by the direct democracy movement that swept the Midwest and California in the earlier part of the century, embodied in legislation allowing statewide referendums in much of the West. Anti-interventionists made a strong effort to pass the Ludlow Amendment to the Constitution, which would have submitted the question of whether to go to war to a national vote.
An enraged and newly empowered people rise up to smite a warmongering business and political elite – it was an image that set the populist imagination ablaze – and also inspired conservative opponents of the New Deal. In the heat of battle, the differences between progressive isolationists and their conservative allies melted away, as they embraced a common critique of the New Deal’s centralism, internationalism, and rampant militarism.
In the course of the struggle against war and the cult of FDR, the views of the progressives and old style liberals underwent a transformation. Or perhaps one could say their views matured under the pressure of events. Wheeler and others who identified with the “left” came upon the realization that, while big business (the so-called "war trust") manipulated the state to its own advantage, the expansion of government only further empowered the capitalists, especially under wartime conditions. The course of this evolution – or, as I would describe it, this awakening – describes the career of one of the most prominent America Firsters, head of the vital New York City chapter and a well-known liberal journalist and author: John T. Flynn [.pdf].
As a columnist for that paragon of enlightened liberalism, the New Republic, Flynn backed FDR in 1932 and devoted his journalistic energies to exposing the fraud and abuses then endemic in the financial markets. Like many progressives, he was shocked at the corporatist initiatives coming out of the Administration, especially the National Recovery Act. The deluge of unprecedented government spending led him to the conclusion that the New Deal would have to culminate in war. It would be politically impossible to maintain the level of spending the President required, and he would need conservatives – the internationalist wing of the Republican party – to get his program through Congress. By combining national defense with the need to employ and otherwise subsidize large numbers of people, the President could solve his political and economic troubles in one blow.
As the liberals gave up their noninterventionist principles and joined with the Stalinists in the Popular Front and FDR’s drive to war, Flynn’s New Republic column became controversial and was eventually discontinued after much public haggling. When Flynn attacked the President and his aide, Harry Hopkins, in an article for the Yale Review, FDR responded with a note to the editor in which he declared that Flynn had become "a destructive rather than a constructive force." The President opined that, in his opinion, Flynn "should be barred hereafter from the columns of any presentable daily paper, monthly magazine or national quarterly, such as the Yale Review."
That is precisely what happened, not only to Flynn but to a whole generation of old-fashioned liberals, assorted progressives, and conservatives who were victimized by the Smear Bund, their careers ruined or else seriously compromised. Garet Garrett, an editor at the Saturday Evening Post, was fired and exiled to the margins: Albert J. Nock, H. L. Mencken, Oswald Garrison Villard, and others met a similar fate.
We often hear of the alleged terrors of the McCarthy period, especially in Hollywood: a veritable army of second rate screenwriters, actors, and movie colony sycophants has for years been whining about the persecution of red subversives during the cold war. But the treatment they had to endure was a Sunday school picnic compared to the blacklisting of conservative and libertarian anti-interventionists in the fields of journalism, politics, and, yes, Hollywood, during the previous decade.
The actress Lillian Gish, who was a member of the national committee of America First and a frequent speaker at their rallies, privately told General Wood that she had been blacklisted by movie studios in Hollywood and the New York theater world and couldn’t find an acting job anywhere. After much effort on her behalf, her agent had finally gotten a commitment from a studio for a contract, but it came with the proviso that she must first resign from America First. Furthermore, she was forbidden from telling the truth about her resignation, on pain of losing the much-needed contract. While never wavering in her opposition to US intervention, Gish resigned from the committee, stopped giving speeches, and never said a word in public about the reasons for her sudden and seemingly inexplicable retreat.
Flynn suffered much, both financially and professionally, from the blacklisting. On the other hand, persecution only seemed to clarify his thought. His best book, As We Go Marching [.pdf], written during the war, integrates the progressive abhorrence of war and militarism with the conservative analysis of the dangers of socialism and economic centralization. Flynn saw the growth of state power under the New Deal and the President’s drive to war as dual aspects of a unitary system: war and preparations for war fueled the economic engine of the emerging welfare state, and provided the necessary political backing from conservatives.
The third, and perhaps most important, theme of the America First movement was an acute consciousness of a raft of common enemies: the Roosevelt administration, the British, and the Eastern financial elites. These antipathies had much to do with the regional character of the America First movement, which had its headquarters in Chicago and was particularly strong in the Midwest, where German and Irish immigrants formed a ready reservoir of anti-British sentiment.
By the time the America First Committee got off the ground, there were already two major interventionist groups going full blast. The Committee to Defend America by Aiding the Allies, headed by William Allen White, editor of the Kansas City Emporia Gazette, took a relatively moderate position: aid to England short of war. The "Fight for Freedom" group demanded an immediate declaration of war on the Axis powers. The White Committee served as a virtual propaganda arm of the US government, working openly and closely with the White House. Both groups, in tandem with a network of pundits, such as Dorothy Thompson, worked with British intelligence, as Thomas E. Mahl revealed in his book, Desperate Deception: British Covert Operations in the United States, 1939-44, and as Gore Vidal dramatized in his novel The Golden Age. As Professor Mahl puts it in his book,
"How does the historian avoid the charge that he is indulging in conspiracy history when he explores the activities of a thousand people, occupying two floors of Rockefeller Center, in their efforts to involve the United States in a major war?"
Then there were "the interests" – the big financial combines, the banks, and especially the Rockefeller and Morgan interests. As Murray N. Rothbard pointed out in his short book, Wall Street, Banks, and American Foreign Policy, the Rockefeller interests were pushing for war with Japan throughout the 1930s in order to grab control of rubber and oil resources in Southeast Asia, and their “cherished dreams of a mass ‘China market’ for petroleum products." The Morgan group, on the other hand, was "as usual, deeply committed to their financial ties with Britain and France,” and, on account of this, “once again plumbed early for war with Germany,” as they had in the run-up to World War I. World War II, says Rothbard, "might therefore be considered, from one point of view, as a coalition war: the Morgans got their war in Europe, the Rockefellers theirs in Asia."
And so the enemies of all these groups were banded together in the America First coalition. This new antiwar coalition – made up of disaffected liberals, conservative nationalists, Midwestern progressives, and a few scattered libertarians – faced opposition from two powerful groups. First there were what Selig Adler calls "the spiritual heirs of Theodore Roosevelt," who, "in league with the generals and admirals, fought for large military budgets." These Eastern internationalist Republicans, epitomized by Wendell Willkie, made sure that the GOP would fail to provide any real critique of FDR’s warmongering foreign policy.
Secondly, there was opposition from the Left, not only from the White House and the dominant Roosevelt wing of the Democratic party, but also from the Communists and their fellow travelers, who accounted for a small but influential and hyper-vocal minority. These were really the shock troops of the War Party, who did the dirty work and the hand-to-hand fighting in the battle for hearts and minds.
It is no exaggeration to say that, during the heyday of the Popular Front, an entire mini-industry grew up around the Communist-inspired campaign to link the anti-interventionist movement – and specifically the America First Committee – to the Nazis. This was the strategy of Roosevelt and his far-left allies, as the battle for the soul of a nation commenced.
The campaign against the so-called isolationist movement, coordinated out of the White House and conducted by a plethora of government agencies and private groups working in tandem, was an exercise in character assassination unparalleled in the history of this country. At the head of what John T. Flynn called “the Smear Bund “was the President himself, who did not lose any opportunity to link the AFC with the Nazis and their agents in America.
The President had plenty of helpers and enablers in this task, especially in the media and among the left-wing activists of the day. The most odious and unsavory of this bunch was undoubtedly "John Roy Carlson," a professional sneak and agent provocateur, whose real name was Avedis Derounian.
Carlson’s best-selling book, Under Cover [.pdf], purported to be an expose of the anti-interventionist movement as a Nazi fifth column in America, just as today’s antiwar movement is smeared as pro-terrorist – accusations that, both in Roosevelt’s America and our own, had legal consequences for the accused.
Carlson’s methods were those of the classic agent provocateur: he went “undercover,” invented a new identity, and started publishing a weekly mimeographed hate sheet he called the “Christian Defender,” which repeated every anti-Semitic canard and then some in the most offensive manner possible. Carlson’s book quoted obscure cranks, anti-Semites and American Nazis as if they represented America First. The book was relentlessly promoted in the interventionist media, especially by the gossip columnist Walter Winchell, and became a best-seller.
Aside from being in the employ of shadowy “anti-fascist” outfits, Carlson also worked for the FBI on a freelance basis at a time when Roosevelt’s secret political police were bugging the office of Chicago Tribune publisher Robert McCormick, and had been ordered by the White House to find something incriminating on the America First Committee.
The President badgered J. Edgar Hoover to investigate the Committee’s income in an attempt to link them to the Nazis. FBI agents infiltrated the AFC, attended meetings, examined Committee records, and came up with nothing – much to the President’s chagrin.
The Carlson book was the first draft of the government’s indictment of alleged “seditionists.” Starting in 1941, federal prosecutors handed down a series of indictments against a wide variety of individuals, organizations, and publications, ranging from obscure cranks to sitting members of Congress, and initially including the America First Committee as well as the brilliant African-American intellectual and former diplomat, Lawrence Dennis.
In response to protests from Senator Wheeler, and others, the Justice Department narrowed the scope of its targets, and settled for indicting a number of minor figures, and Dennis, most of whom had neither the means nor the ability to defend themselves. One of them, Elmer J. "Pop" Garner, was in his 80s when taken into custody, and quite deaf. He died three weeks after the trial began, with 25 cents in his pocket, never having heard a single word uttered in the courtroom. They sent his body back to his widow in Wichita, with nary a stitch of clothing on his corpse.
Garner’s hearing problem was a disability many reporters assigned to cover the trial no doubt wished had been visited on them as they were forced to sit through weeks of what had been conceived as an exciting,media-friendly show trial and quickly descended into a relentlessly monotonous farce. The so-called “evidence” consisted of the prosecutor reading long boring passages from the defendants’ writings, and juxtaposing them with equally long boring citations from official Nazi propaganda.
In order to prove its case that the defendants were, together, conspiring to “undermine” the armed forces of the United States, government lawyers came up with a boldly authoritarian legal theory. They posited that the 30-odd prisoners sitting in the dock, although they had not necessarily met or known each other, had engaged in a conspiracy of ideas. The alleged similarity of their views, and those given expression by the propaganda outlets in Berlin, Rome, and Tokyo, constituted sedition. Their crime was a thought crime.
We see this same legal theory employed today, by Obama’s Justice Department, in their efforts to go after antiwar activists who recently had their homes and offices raided in Minneapolis and Chicago: like Attorney General Biddle in the Great Sedition Trial of 1944, the Attorney General [Eric] Holder argues that speech – the exercise of one’s First Amendment rights – amounts to giving “material support” to “terrorism.”
The trial dragged on for over two years. After the first few weeks, only reporters for the Daily Worker and the left-wing smear sheet PM were left in the press section. What had been intended as the American edition of the Moscow show trials turned into a public relations disaster. The farce was largely ended when judge, Edward Eicher, a former congressman and fervent New Dealer, suffered a heart attack and died. Prosecutors refiled the charges, but these were dismissed by judge Bolitha Laws, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, who ruled that allowing the case to continue would be “a travesty of justice.”
The persecution of the Old Right at the hands of the pro-war left was a trauma for conservatives: the blacklist against the isolationists persisted long after the war ended, and it destroyed many careers. So when it came their turn to wield the whip, conservatives did not hold back. Joe McCarthy was unleashed on the nation, to the applause of most Old Rightists.
As the wartime alliance between the US and the Soviet Union frayed and broke up, and Winston Churchill delivered his famous “Iron Curtain” speech, the veterans of the America First movement – or, I should say, the survivors – can hardly be blamed for their vindictiveness. After all, hadn’t Colonel McCormick predicted that we’d wind up giving half of Europe to Uncle Joe Stalin?
At the start of the war, leftists who had formerly been the loudest advocates of a peaceful foreign policy, suddenly switched over to the other side, formed an “anti-fascist” Popular Front, and openly agitated for war. And conservatives who had hardly been pacifists urged caution and warned against foreign entanglements. As the cold war dawned, the political polarities switched, once again, as conservatives embraced interventionism and globalism, while the left went “isolationist.” Some few veteran anti-interventionists of the right, such as Senator Robert A. Taft, John Flynn, and Lawrence Dennis, maintained their principles, but not many. On the home front, however, the entire American right united in support of Joe McCarthy: it was payback time.
The Old Right persisted into the early 1950s, with a few old isolationist Republicans warning against getting drawn into a protracted war on the Asian landmass: Korea split the Republican party, and the conservative movement, with the interventionists, however, gaining the upper hand. John Flynn predicted disaster if we aided the French against Ho Chi Minh in Indochina, while Taft and others campaigned against the Marshall Plan and questioned the need for NATO, but the floodtide of anti-Communism eventually overwhelmed them. The conservative movement was invaded and captured by a cadre of ex-leftists such as Frank Meyer, James Burnham, and others grouped around William F. Buckley’s magazine, the National Review.
As the mid-fifties dawned, the surviving lions of the Old Right looked about them at the Welfare-Warfare State that had displaced the American republic, and roared their disapproval – but there was a note of keening sadness in their defiance. They knew they had lost the fight: Garet Garrett, a former editor of the Saturday Evening Post and a prose stylist with few equals, put it this way:
“There are those who still think they are holding the pass against a revolution that may be coming up the road. But they are gazing in the wrong direction. The revolution is behind them. It went by in the Night of Depression, singing songs to freedom.”
On the foreign policy front, too, the old conservative cause of a Fortress America, at peace and free, was beleaguered if not entirely lost. As Garrett put it:
“We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. If you ask when, the answer is that you cannot make a single stroke between day and night: the precise moment does not matter. There was no painted sign to say: ‘You are now entering Imperium.’ Yet it was a very old road and the voice of history was saying: ‘Whether you know it or not, the act of crossing may be irreversible.’ And now, not far ahead, is a sign that reads: ‘No U-turns.’”
Suffice to say that the right, by this time, had become almost completely interventionist, with the crew at National Review threatening to go to war with the Soviet Union, and putting forward a strategy of “rollback.” The liberals went interventionist, too, or, rather, stayed interventionist, with only the remnants of the far left advocating anything close to a foreign policy that made any sense.
Yet, in the midst of this ideological darkness, in which the War Party presided over both the right and left wings of “respectable” opinion, a light began to emerge. It was a small light, granted, but it grew brighter as the sixties turned into the seventies. It was the light of libertarianism, which, by that time, had hived off from the main body of the conservative movement and established a good degree of organizational independence.
The history of the antiwar movement in the 1960s – the Vietnam era – is too well known to go into here in much detail. While the cold war liberals, such as Sen. Henry “Scoop” Jackson, Hubert Humphrey, and of course Lyndon Baines Johnson were gung ho to stop the commies in Southeast Asia, the emerging youth culture and a burgeoning mass left-wing movement mobilized people in the streets against the war, the draft, and the whole rotten state-capitalist system.
Libertarians sided with the left on the two key issues of the day – opposition to the war and the draft – and after the split with conservatives the new movement flourished as never before. Now I won’t go into the details of this history too much – you can look it up in Brian Doherty’s excellent book, Radicals for Capitalism – but suffice to say here that opposition to the American empire was and is a founding principle of the modern libertarian movement.
That devotion to principle was sorely tested in the days and months after 9/11, and a few didn’t pass the test. But the movement as a whole retained its ideological bearings, weathered the storm, and emerged from the Bush years stronger than ever – thanks to Ron Paul.
What I love about Ron is that he’s gotten more radical as he’s gotten older. Here is a politician who, in the midst of talking about some issue such as the Federal Reserve, monetary policy, tax policy, or whatever, will invariably tie it into a larger critique, one that always emphasizes the financial and moral costliness of our interventionist foreign policy. He did it in the Republican presidential primaries, took on Rudy “the thug” Giuliani, and has brought the anti-interventionist message to tea party rallies and campuses all across the country.
He is the reincarnation of the Old Right, and the movement that has gathered around him has sparked a revival of Old Right activism such as hasn’t been seen since 1940. And he has had to endure much of what the Old Right had to put up with, including especially the smears of the contemporary John Roy Carlsons, who have done their best to discredit and marginalize him and his movement. Their fear-and-smear campaign hasn’t worked. Instead, it has backfired on the smear merchants, and today Ron stands at the head of a rising populist libertarian movement that is anti-interventionist at its very core.
That the Old Right is rising while a liberal Democratic President is waging three wars at once is a sign that the political polarities are getting ready, once more, to make the big switch. On the war question, the moderate-to-“progressive” left is to a large degree silent in the face of Obama’s wars and the crimes of US imperialism. And we are beginning to see the rise of an ugly form of left-wing nationalism amongst so-called “liberals.” Notice that the Obama administration has begun blaming “foreigners,” such as the Chinese, for our economic problems, and this is being done in tandem with attacks on Republicans for supposedly using “foreign money” in the current election campaign – a charge, I might add, that comes without any evidence whatsoever. We are also seeing an effort to translate political correctness – support for feminism, gay rights, etc. – into support for the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan. So that is a definite retrogression, and one that I’m sure we’ll see more of.
On the other hand, conservatives are beginning to question the assumptions and premises of global interventionism – the key connections between the so-called progressive program of social engineering, international do-goodism, and war in the modern age. The neoconservative agenda is being called into question and that’s a very good thing. Defense cuts are on the table, and so is the foreign policy that requires outrageous expenditures on the military. Antiwar.com has always put a special emphasis on outreach to conservatives, making the point that you can’t have limited government at home and still maintain an empire abroad, and I am very gratified to see that we are finally seeing some results.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
October 28th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
One of your great ones, if not the greatest: Big bloated government leads to intervention and war in many cases. Do gooders like Madaline Albright, the Clintons and Obama want to use the military to spread their social and political agenda around the world. Let the world run itself. We are broke and can't even get this country right. I hope there is a huge infusion of small government libertarians and conservatives elected on Tuesday. You can't fight a war if you want to cut taxes and shrink the government. Our fiscal situation is so dire that military spending has to be looked at. Two Wi. progressives from my neighborhood were the great Senator Robert LaFollete Sr. who fought Wilson's war to the bitter end and the old socialist Victor Berger who was elected 3 times to Congress and thrown out 3 times for his anti-war stance.
davidgrayling
October 29th, 2010 at 12:13 am
Another wordy article from Justin. I'm not sure that we need a history lesson at this time.
What is required is for the world to stand on America, condemn its greedy imperialism and incessant warmongering, then push it back to its own borders where it belongs and keep it there.
America is not a force for good in the world. It loves war too much. It lacks the intelligence to run anything. Its own society is in shambles and many of its people are starving or without a roof over their heads. Its political system is a joke because most of its parliamentarians are owned by Corporations or by Israel or both.
The American people must rise up and cleanse their country of the fools who are running it. If they don't, the rest of the world will have to do it for them!
http://www.dangerouscreation.com
PT
October 29th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Cut taxes and shrink the government? You believe them? They serve the same masters, you know – they didn't run for office on their own nickel.
bogi666
October 29th, 2010 at 2:16 am
I'm trying to figure out just who is the liberal Democratic President Justin keep referring too. At least he didn't heap praise on his idol Joe McCarthy, an alcoholic on the payroll of the Nationalist Chinese to create anti Communist hysteria in the USA trying to compel the USG into declaring war on the Chinese communists. McCarthy died of alcoholism, a fitting end to hardcore alcoholic and I hope he had DT's before death relieved him of that insanity.
bogi666
October 29th, 2010 at 2:17 am
Well said.
Toph
October 29th, 2010 at 3:12 am
Great article! A history lesson is exactly what is needed! The American People, especially the Tea Party crew, need to understand the tribulations the anti-war movement has faced in order to keep the faith and keep up the momentum, even in the face of persecution! This article is exactly what is needed for people who see themselves on the right side of the political paradigm to understand the roots of the Old Right: Limited Government and anti-interventionism.
David: when you speak of "America" do you mean the Federal Government, or America as in the entire country and it's people?
Johnny in Wi.
October 29th, 2010 at 3:13 am
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. We are trying to cleanse the country of the fools who have got us into this situation, on both sides. We are trying to do it with the ballot box, but most of us on the right are armed to the teeth and don't forget it.
emsnews
October 29th, 2010 at 4:09 am
The right wing 'hands-off' business had tons of racism behind it. This is the entire business of 'anti-federalism' from the get-go, since Jefferson was President. For example, slavery wasn't legal in Mexico so when the slave owners began to filter into Spanish territory in Texas, they began an uprising so they could impose slave laws on a formerly 'free' community that outlawed slavery.
History is a lot dirtier than this thumbnail sketch by Justin. He is out to revive the concept of a capitalist right that is antiwar which is just plain silly when we consider the true nature of this beast. It is every bit as bloody and warmongering as the liberal warmongers! The reluctance to fight Hitler on the part of the right in the US was similar: they LIKED Hitler! Far from considering Naziism as this evil thing, they thought it was pretty cool!
Leaving out the history of loving Nazis from his narrative, he papers over the reality of racism and how it operates on the far right. This is also why it was much easier to declare war against the Japanese during WWII and even after Pearl Harbor, we didn't declare war on 'White European' racists in Germany, Hitler declared war on us, not the reverse.
emsnews
October 29th, 2010 at 4:20 am
And this is why Justin is working very, very hard to burn all possible bridges to the left: he is aware that his own contradictions are more important than stopping wars. His anti-socialism is so great, he finds it all too easy to leave out the pro-Nazi movement in the US that was rather large and joined at the hip with the KKK before Pearl Harbor. Just as he leaves out the long history of the US invading or controlling all of the Caribbean, Central America and South America via funding military coups. Right wing Presidents tend to do this more than left wing Presidents. A lot more.
And have been doing this since Jefferson's day! That is, liberal Presidents struggle to stop this military coups sponsored by the US capitalists whereas all right wing US Presidents cheerfully do this nonstop and quite violently, just look at Nixon. Kissinger got the Peace Prize and then he and Nixon stomped all over Chile, just for one obvious and violent example. The left wing US antiwar people were (and still are) quite outraged by this murder of an elected President.
There was no peace when the Vietnam War ended and we knew this very well but the US right wing was quite pleased with killing off a socialist President elected in a popular election. We used to fear that Obama would be eliminated this way, too, but he took care of this problem by acting like a right winger rather than a liberal not that the racists on the right give a hoot: they will take him down one way or another including violently if he tries to be even slightly socialist.
This is mainly why liberals like myself see the right's antiwar stance as racism. That is, Buchanan wasn't popular when he attacked the right wing warmonger, Bush, but now is suddenly popular because he is attacking a seeming leftist, and in most particular, a 'black man', Obama. Now, many right wingers are happily against Obama's wars. But they also itch to kill fellow citizens who are of the wrong color or politics. We, on the left, see this very clearly.
And why hasn't Justin condemned the stomping on a protestor at a Paul Tea Party rally? We, on the left, are quite aware of how we get stomped by rightists. Paul is a rightist through and through and there lies the problem: these people are NOT peaceniks. They want war…with US!
GradyWilson
October 29th, 2010 at 4:47 am
-the heroic Eugene Debs would not be 'spinning over in his grave' since he more than anyone, being imprisoned by a warmongering Democrat President, knew that the Democrat Party served the interests of the capitalist ruling elite just as much as the Republicans
-there is no "Original Right: a movement dedicated to limited government at home and minimal overseas entanglements"; this is a figment of Raimondo's (and the entire libertarian establishment) imagination. Again I offer as example the prevailing mood (in1898!) of the conservatives the proud Imperialist Republican Senator Albert Beveridge's speech "The March of the Flag" http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1898beveridge….
-Justin speaks of the World Wars without once mentioning the role that US capitalist bankers and arms merchants had in financing the wars (all sides) and role of the capitalist media in manufacturing public consent and the great booty the US capitalists made off of the wars
- WTF is Justin talking about when he concludes in the last sentence "I am very gratified to see that we are finally seeing some results"?
GradyWilson
October 29th, 2010 at 4:56 am
"We are trying to cleanse the country of the fools who have got us into this situation ………….. We are trying to do it with the ballot box, but most of us on the right are armed to the teeth and don't forget it." – Johnny
Sick Puppy Johnny represents the true nature of Raimondo's beloved Tea Partiers – violent fascists threating to 'cleanse the country' if not by the ballot box then by arms. This is the progress Justin is speaking of?
RED_DAVE
October 29th, 2010 at 5:01 am
I love it: Raimundo still can't tell the difference between a liberal, a stalinist and a leftist. He's worried that his precious Right is being taken over by foaming-at-the-mouth tea baggers, so he concocts a revisionist history of the antiwar movement, with the Right as the heroes.
Well, he deserves to be answered at length, and this isn't the place. I'm only an amateur, but I'll try to write something for, say, Counterpunch.
Justin Raimondo
October 29th, 2010 at 5:33 am
I thought you were a Marxist, Grady old boy. Don't they believe in revolution — indeed, according to Marx, Engels, etc., a proletarian revolution is the inevitable outcome of history. Maybe it isn't working out quite like the Gradys of the past thought it would, but, hey, you can't have everything…
But seriously, I didn't imagine you were really just a typical liberal, afraid of his own shadow, but an actual Marxist, maybe even a real commie. You disappoint me.
GradyWilson
October 29th, 2010 at 6:22 am
You have no problem with one of your fascist psychophants threatening to "cleanse" (with arms) the country of those he finds undiserable? And you attack somone who calls him out on this violent threat as "a typical liberal, afraid of his own shadow"?
Man I can't believe what a petulant, pathetic human being you actually are. Unlike you, I don't support anyone making such threats of violence. That makes me an honest anti-war humanitarian – unlike you. Of course you never have shown much moral character have you – working, as a homosexual, for and with gay haters most of your life.
mother of necessity
October 29th, 2010 at 6:28 am
6375 words, no mention of the root cause of 9/11 and the "war on terror"…
how very odd, though, that justin mentions oil as one of the causes of world war II.
in summary, israel must be secured before its american protection runs out of oil.
simple
paulBass
October 29th, 2010 at 6:29 am
just wondering about which communist/socialist state ever existed with out constant and real external threats of destruction.
very much unlike the fortress that is mainland usa.
i don't see soviet backed death-squads running around the united states killing off tea partyiers.
i don't get how the right get to redefine it self every other day but if your on the left your a stalinist and thats it,, or a moaist (go bob avakian! just kidding)
p.s. the original soviet slogan was bread land and peace, kind of more pressing than cut my taxes so i can be even more affluent
p.p.s man its kind of weird how many leftist are reading raimondo first thing every day
Justin Raimondo
October 29th, 2010 at 6:33 am
Oh, this really is a let down. Grady, you're just another bourgeois liberal! Who woulda thought? So when they declare martial law — say, after another 9/11 — what are you going to do — crawl under your bed and hide? Gives new meaning to the phrase "reds under the bed." hahahaha.
Justin Raimondo
October 29th, 2010 at 6:46 am
My history makes heroes of neither the left nor the right: it merely points out when — and why — these arbitrary political categories turned into their opposites at different historical junctures, at least as far as foreign policy issues were concerned. ____And in answer to Grady's "history" lesson, above: your citation of Beveridge confirms at least part of my case — Beveridge was indeed one of the Eastern internationalist Republicans referenced in my little essay. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing — go and look up the Anti-Imperialist League, who opposed the Spanish-American war and the acquisition of America's first overseas colonies — they were all laissez-faire libertarian types, known as "mugwumps," and expressed all sorts of politically incorrect views that cardboard cut-out "progressives" of today would find appalling. These were Beveridge's opponents, despised by the evil Teddy "the trust-buster" Roosevelt, the "progressive" leader of his day. So it turns out that history is not a "red-blue" morality play, but a bit more complicated than the cable news shouters imagine or care to know.
Justin Raimondo
October 29th, 2010 at 6:56 am
Here we have the typical Stalinist "critique" of the antiwar movement of the WWII era: they were Nazis! Sounds very much like the Bushian "critique" of the antiwar movement of the present day: they hate America and love "terrorists"! It was a crock when FDR and his pals first gave voice to it, and the same is true today when it comes out of the mouths of Fox News idiots. What an ignorant smear. And it was easier to attack the Japanese because of a little event that may have slipped your mind — the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Justin Raimondo
October 29th, 2010 at 7:01 am
I could not cover the entire history of US interventionism in one single lecture, however please stay tuned: I intend to cover that topic in my upcoming lecture in Connecticut (Ridgefield, I believe). And if you can't attend, then the text will be published on this site. As for me condemning the stomping incident — I write about foreign policy issues, and I believe I've said quite enough about Rand Paul (who is not, I would hasten to point out, RON Paul).
paulBass
October 29th, 2010 at 7:08 am
known as "mugwumps," lol
the only person in my life who i ever heard use that word is a professor of political science who taught in east germany gdr
for those who don't know it mean a fence sitter because your mug(face) is on one side and your wump (butt) is on the other side
thumbs up for that
John V. Walsh
October 29th, 2010 at 7:10 am
A great thumbnail sketch if you ask me – even though there are some parts I do not agree with.
But Justin's core messages that are relevant for the moment – that there is an antiwar tradition on the Right as well as the Left and that it was driven from the Right in the Cold War and now suppressed on the "Left" to support Obama's wars – are worthwhile indeed.
And many of the comments are a sad counterpoint to this key message. If Left and Right cannot unite against a common foe, War and Empire, we will be stuck with them. That is not to say Left or Right have to give up other ideals. We can agree to disagree – and unite against the common enemy of Imperialism. That is politics. The rest is noise.
John V. Walsh
paulBass
October 29th, 2010 at 7:14 am
im not all that good at math, but im pretty sure most of the 20th century happened before 9-11-2001
mother of necessity
October 29th, 2010 at 7:29 am
"Anti-Interventionism, Then and Now"… that's the title…
9/11 was "then", "now" is "now"
world oil production, yearly… oil production has been flat since 2004, despite horrendous increases in price and drilling.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/ipm/supply.html see table 1.1d
GradyWilson
October 29th, 2010 at 7:32 am
"And in answer to Grady's "history" lesson, above: your citation of Beveridge confirms at least part of my case — Beveridge was indeed one of the Eastern internationalist Republicans referenced in my little essay" -JR
well this makes your statement in your little essay that "the Original Right: a movement dedicated to limited government at home and minimal overseas entanglements — a worldview that defined the conservative movement before Bill Buckley and the Kristol family got their hands on it " a rather blatant lie. Conservative imperialists have driven US foreign policy since the nation became one – not just since Bill Buckley and the Kristols – as you deceitfully contend.
GradyWilson
October 29th, 2010 at 7:41 am
"When they declare martial" – wtf does that have to do with Johnny threatening armed violence today?
You call me "a typical liberal afraid of his own shadow", "another bourgeois liberal" have claimed that I will "crawl under the bed and hide". Why? Why are you taking these cheap shots at me again? Because I don't welcome Johnny's call to arms to 'cleanse' America?
I wish you, Johnny, and all of America peace – rather than stocking my home with weapons and worrying about some hypothetical "When they declare martial law". Who's really the paranoids in this scenario? Seems like you and Johnny. I do not want to take up arms against my fellow citizens and am not making plans for it – unlike you and Johnny.
mother of necessity
October 29th, 2010 at 8:16 am
what if, in our secret little heart of hearts, most of us would rather fight than switch to a diminshed standard of living caused by diminishing supplies of oil?
what if tha's what the ringleaders, who control the media and the government, are counting on?
or what if many of us saw the ratrace for what it was decades ago, and have decided to let the sonofabitching system devour itself?
mother of necessity
October 29th, 2010 at 8:20 am
crosby still and nash saw the handwriting on the wall, didnt they?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFCgAhZEO8
mother of necessity
October 29th, 2010 at 8:26 am
…but they boys missed something, didnt they?
count the internal combustion engines in that video…
the year after woodstock, american oil production peaked.
america was once the biggest oil producer in the world, and american oil wells have been going dry for 150 years… dont you think professional oil people, like the AEI/PNAC allies, exxon, had a pretty good handle on when global oil production would peak?
and why, in 1999, did cheney warn the london insitutute of petroleum about increasing demand, diminishing supply, and the importance of middle east oil?
so the AEI/exxon marriage was made in heaven, wasnt it/
emsnews
October 29th, 2010 at 8:39 am
The stomping on demonstrators is totally relevant here: the rightwing in any country is far more prone to be openly violent due to the fact that in general, they have the support of the police and the state! This goes under 'duh'. I have been literally shot at by police in the sixties and early seventies more than once (real bullets in one case!) and certainly threatened physically by more than one right winger. It is a dangerous business, demonstrating against the state if you are on the left.
Which takes me to the obvious question here: where are your libertarian antiwar marches? Eh? I don't see them! You have far less danger of being beaten or killed while doing this whereas us despised liberals were herded into captivity and beaten in NYC when we protested the opening of the Iraq war!
RED_DAVE
October 29th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Your revisionist history deserves a full reply, but let's start by getting a few facts straight. In your attempt to cast libertarianism back to Adam, you claim that the Anti-Imperialist League was composed of "laissez-faire libertarian types, known as "mugwumps.'"
That statement is false on two accounts: first of all, there were many prominent leaders of the Anti-Imperialist League who were not mugwumps. These include Jane Addams, Samuel Gompers, William James, William Dean Howells, John Dewey and Edgar Lee Masters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Imperialist_Lea…
And, there were plenty of mugwumps who were far from being "laissez-faire libertarian types," including Henry Adams, Carl Schurz and Mark Twain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugwump
We'll deal with the right-wing support for every war the US has ever been in, plus its active racism and flirtations with fascism, love of McCarthyism, etc., quite soon.
FBastiat
October 29th, 2010 at 9:40 am
I’m not surprised by these attacks by leftists (and I’m not even talking about the whoppers — e.g., Allende committed suicide).
Leftists want us to believe that the ONLY alternative to “right wing” corporatist warmongering is ever-peaceful socialism — i.e., that the only alternative to a Mussolini is a Stalin. But it was classical liberalism that first arose to slay mercantilism and militarism … until it was itself slain by socialism, which ushered in a reactionary resurrection of oligarchy and destruction.
And so these leftists want to erase any memory of the classical liberal tradition, thereby granting themselves an “antiwar” monopoly.
paulBass
October 29th, 2010 at 9:40 am
"Anti-Interventionism, Then and Now
A brief history of the anti-interventionist movement, from World War I to the present day"
as you seem to know the past extends beyond 2001 and the "then" in the title would seem to be referring to ww1
paulBass
October 29th, 2010 at 9:42 am
"what if many of us saw the ratrace for what it was decades ago,"
wait how could you possibly come to a conclusion about what is happening in the world with out reference to 9/11? thats crazy!
you must be some kind of government spy
Johnny in Wi.
October 29th, 2010 at 10:38 am
Grady old boy: This isn't Russia or China where the proles were unarmed and uneducated. We are not going to let our rights, lives, and property be to be taken without resistence. This republic was founded by farmers and small business people who had had enough and rebelled. The worst big government thugs have got us into most of our wars. Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy-Johnson, Nixon, Clinton, the Bush's and Obama. A pox on all their houses. We want to go back to a constitutional republic.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
October 29th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Nitpicking again, but I'd say Trotsky rather than Stalin.
Johnny in Wi.
October 29th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Justin: you are doing a great job: Just another little item for you. The Lafollete brothers Bob the Senator and Phil the governor were long time antiwar prople like their father. I think Wi. was the most anti war state in the union in regards to both world wars. That is part of the reason the McCarthy had such sucess here. He stood up against the brutal treatment of German prisoners of war after WW2. Then he rightly went after Stalins minions who sold out the country. He was put under, by hiring Roy Cohn as his chief council. He should have given the job to Bobby Kennedy who desperatly wanted it. I don't think he would have gotten McCarthy in so many stupid investigations like the Shine, Army, McCarthy hearings..
paulBass
October 29th, 2010 at 10:49 am
just out of curiosity which of the european colonial empires was the liberal that had slain militarism
Strider55
October 29th, 2010 at 11:16 am
opportunism in the cause of peace is no vice — good one, Justin! Somewhere in purgatory Barry Goldwater is smiling. (Sorry, but IMHO heaven is off-limits to politicians for at least 100 years.)
Regarding PC warmongering: You should have mentioned that in 2003 Condi Rice fatuously claimed that anyone who opposed the Iraq war was a racist. You wrote an excellent column on it back then, and could have linked to it here.
George Orwell must have seen that Communist in NYC change gears in mid-sentence, or known someone who did. In 1984, a Party rabble-rouser switched the target of his bile from Eurasia to Eastasia without missing a beat.
FBastiat
October 29th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Thomas Sowell (quoted here) on Europe at the end of the 19th century:
If you mean to say that it was a tragedy that this liberalism was not extended in practice to the issue of colonialism, you won't get an argument here.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
October 29th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Interesting to see how liberals always hide behind science they in reality are incapable to explain in order to justify their wanderings and by extension their crimes. Folk, the end doesn't justify the means. You don't raze villages in order to save them.
andy
October 29th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
America never should have abandoned non-interventionism. The first fatal mistake was the war with Spain in 1898. A war Spain never wanted and did nothing to deserve. An even greater error was Wilson's INSANE intervention in 1917. And its all been downhill from there on. America should have just minded its own business and lived out the twentieth century in peace and prosperity.
Septimus Redux
October 29th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
"crawl under your bed and hide"
You've got a lot of nerve calling anyone a coward, Raimondo. I exposed your hypocrisy and bigotry, using your own vile words against you, in a series of posts, almost all of which you had deleted. You don't want anyone connecting the dots and seeing the real you emerge. You're just another self-righteous moralizer screaming on his soapbox, distorting truth to suit his preferred version of reality, applying a blatant double standard to folks he hates. You're a cliche.
Septimus Redux
October 29th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
"What an ignorant smear"
You would know, wouldn't you? You're the world's leading expert on ignorant smears.
Would you have even one single column to write if you stopped making ignorant smears?
Alan MacDonald
October 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Yes, Toph, Justin's article is fantastic and a tribute to Santayana's truth about really understanding history — despite Fukuyama's initial error we are not at the "End of History", but as he acknowledges in "America at the Crossroads" (of Empire or democracy), we are at a seminal inflection point.
Justin's reminder of the original (and correct) 'individual' commitment to anti-imperialism and anti-intervention, as opposed to 'nation-state/national security state' internationalism (now perverted further to global corporatist/financial/militarist EMPIRE only posing as Vichy countries, goes a long way toward describing and endorsing the type of Global People's Anti-Empire Movement that Kevin Zeese, Ralph Nader, and a growing alliance of left AND right leading intellectuals and resistors are fighting for.
When Justin accurately states, "A left shorn of its opposition to America’s wars of aggression is no longer the left in any recognizable sense of the term: and yet that is what seems to have happened to the so-called progressive movement in America…" he is acknowledging the same inexterable truth that Chris Hedges writes so carefuly and compellingly about in his laseer accurate and incomparable new "The Death of the Liberal Class".
When anti-war and anti-Empire wholly committed fighters like Raimondo and Hedges come together on historical proof, essential need, and strategy in this mounting anti-Empire/anti-war rebellion one can actually feel some real 'hope' building for people through education.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
emsnews
October 29th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Um, Allende was surrounded by tanks shooting at his office and we KNOW for a FACT that people arrested by the US paid junta were TORTURED. Sort of like…we did in Iraq, too.
emsnews
October 29th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Final word here: we keep asking 'where are the antiwar libertarian demonstrations?' The streets are silent. The echos of faint footsteps can barely be heard at dawn as no one shows up to stand up to the Pentagon.
Hint: we leftists SURROUNDED the ENTIRE Pentagon and many of us went to jail. I have gone to jail, protesting the Vietnam War. How many libertarians are putting their money where their mouths are? You want instructions about how to surround the Pentagon and I will be quite happy to show how we can sit in the streets feeding off of the main highway, blocking traffic, etc. Then, you will discover how the state deals with pesky people interfering with real imperialism.
Justin Raimondo
October 29th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Oh can it, emsnews: there are other ways to protest imperialism than waving placards in the street.And I don't think blocking traffic — and preventing people from going where they want to go, or have to go — is a very effective, or imaginative, tactic. So you go play in traffic, and the rest of us will invent new ways to protest.
bogi666
October 30th, 2010 at 4:01 am
I have been curious about Justin's adoration of McCarthy and it's now obvious, it is Roy Cohen.
RED_DAVE
October 30th, 2010 at 4:33 am
Justin I pointed out some big fat mistakes you made in your article. How about a response?
mother of necessity
October 30th, 2010 at 6:24 am
justin's dilemma (sort of…) http://www.zshare.net/audio/821547149b51b6af/
emsnews
October 30th, 2010 at 6:47 am
You see, Justin, how your contempt for us is destroying you? What tools are you using? Why have an 'Antiwar.com' if its only reason for being is to simply collect news and do absolutely nothing real? What stops the war machine, anyway? Why do we use rallies in a democracy?
To show support for a position! To be literally heard! You have almost no force at the ballot box due to having no clear political position that can be tied to the economic reality of an imperial military power, that is, you support all of the economic systems of an empire while talking about a small government. Pray tell, how can you have a small government while running a massive international/banking empire?
The main problem here is, the libertarians are quite happy with the status quo except for the social services which is part and parcel of any modern capitalist system. You dream of happy days of low taxes and shipping the poor to Australia or the New World colonies while using only a few troops paid by privately owned international trade corporations to take over third world countries. That is, you really want the old British empire pre-WWI.
Frankly, the reason you are so marginalized to the point you couldn't hold onto the Tea Party for even one year (the internal coup where Fox TV and Palin took over is most instructive here) tells us what is wrong with libertarianism in general. Ross Perot gave you all a golden opportunity to do something and this turned into a total failure and libertarianism floundered on the fringes for another 20 years and learned nothing.
You have managed to latch onto the antiwar wagon but your open contempt towards all other antiwar people is divisive, not collective, and this is also why the libertarians end up isolated isolationists, not leaders.
mother of necessity
October 30th, 2010 at 7:24 am
i'll apologize for the goofy zShare host and it's commercials.
drop.io was taken over by facebook, which is entirely understandable, seeing as how facebook was recommended by shimon perez, the president of israel.
*yawn*
mother of necessity
October 30th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Peres urges world youth to fight anti-Semitism using Facebook http://www.haaretz.com/news/peres-urges-world-you…
i also apologize for the extra apostrophe, and my misspelling of peres' name.
RED_DAVE
October 30th, 2010 at 7:46 am
So let's take a look at what Justin said, above:
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing — go and look up the Anti-Imperialist League, who opposed the Spanish-American war and the acquisition of America's first overseas colonies — they were all laissez-faire libertarian types, known as "mugwumps," and expressed all sorts of politically incorrect views that cardboard cut-out "progressives" of today would find appalling."
A little knowledge is indeed dangerous, especially when it's dead wrong.
(1) He says that the Anti-Imperialist League "opposed the Spanish-American war and the acquisition of America's first overseas colonies." Correct. Cool.
(2) He then says that "they were all laissez-faire libertarian types." I assume he means the members of the Anti-imperialist League. Well, first of all, the AIL had about half a million members at its peak, so I don't know how Justin knows that "they were all laissez-faire libertarian types." Secondly, if you look at the leadership of the AIL, it included a bunch of people, including such "types" as Jane Addams, Mark Twain, Thomas Wentworth Higginson, William Dean Howells and Samuel Gompers. None of them, of course, were "laissez-faire libertarian types." in addition, W.E.B. DuBois and Frederick Douglass wrote for the AIL. Neither of them are known to be … . So, incorrect. Not cool.
(3) Then we get to the mugwumps themselves, who were involved with the AIL. If you look at the prominent mugwumps: Charles Francis Adams Jr., Henry Adams, Carl Schurz, Andrew Carnegie, William Graham Sumner and Mark Twain, none of them could be said to be "laissez-faire libertarian types," except perhaps for Sumner. One of the reasons Justin mentions the mugwumps's "all sorts of politically incorrect views" is that most of them were racist to the core. So, incorrect. Not cool at all.
GUS
October 30th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Dollar Diplomacy (US fp to Latin America) was brought to life during the so-called progressive era, you could hardly blame "right-wing presidents" completely on that one.
please tell me the liberal presidents who are out there stopping coups? because you need a refresher on cold war covert ops (and the not so covert ops) while the dems were in power.
but most of all, justin isn't apologizing for any right-wing presidents. you act as if he defends nixon or republican presidents. also neither Bushes were really that "right wing" he is showing a divison among conservatives, that there is a history of anti-interventionism on the right (and cooperation with the antiwar left for this shared goal), so how can you possible tie this in with the actions of neocons?
your refrence to racism and nazis is soooo lame, c'mon. and misses the point. it's the foreign policy that's racist, it's the system, and so by advocating non-intervention, even if you are racist, you actually do more for racial justice and equality than any educated obama voter.
GUS
October 30th, 2010 at 11:57 am
and btw, generally speaking, left wing protests become much more violent and destructive than right wing ones. and we don't defend the actions of all tea-partiers, we're jsut trying to see some potential for peace in that movement–while you guys just want to slander and distort for fun..the hell with trying to turn a popular resistance movement into a resistance against militarism. why? because you care more about butter than stopping militarism.
so whose burning the bridges??
bogi666
October 31st, 2010 at 7:40 am
Have you ever been to the USSR, Justin?
bogi666
October 31st, 2010 at 7:43 am
I live as a socialist and I know why the WEALTHY CAPITALIST WELFARE KINGS like it and want to keep it for themselves. Go to work, we need your tax monies. Thank you in advance.
Justin Raimondo
October 31st, 2010 at 9:15 am
The League was a left-right coalition, along the lines of what I envision for the antiwar movement of today. Two prominent leaders of the League, Moorfield Storey and Edward Atkinson, were officials of the League as well as prominent advocates of laissez-faire. For a more complete version of the League's history and activities I refer you to my talk archived on the Mises Institute web site, "Anti-Interventionism in American Politics, 1898 to the Present Day."
RED_DAVE
October 31st, 2010 at 10:23 am
Justin says:
"The League was a left-right coalition, along the lines of what I envision for the antiwar movement of today."
That's not what you said previously. You said, above, "… go and look up the Anti-Imperialist League, who opposed the Spanish-American war and the acquisition of America's first overseas colonies — they were all laissez-faire libertarian types" No "all" means "all." Not "some" or "two or three." You distorted the facts.
"Two prominent leaders of the League, Moorfield Storey and Edward Atkinson, were officials of the League as well as prominent advocates of laissez-faire." Okay. But, again, you said "all." You deliberately attempted to portray the Anti-imperialist League and the mugwumps as hot-beds of laissez-faire when they were no such thing.
"For a more complete version of the League's history and activities I refer you to my talk archived on the Mises Institute web site, "Anti-Interventionism in American Politics, 1898 to the Present Day."
I listened to it. It contains serious distortions of history. If you provide a transcript, I'll point them out. Just for openers, it fails to point out that (1) the most consistent opposition to US imperialism is the Left, not the Right. And (2) it completely shuts out the racism, anti-labor and pro-capitalism of the Right. You're ideal of an anti-interventionist movement is the America First Committee. I would think twice about that. (Yeah, I know about Norman Thomas.) Also, you scant the organized anti-war movement, such as the War Resisters League, Woman's International league for Peace and Freedom, etc. Not too many laissez-faire types there.
As to the Anti-imperialist League being a left-right coalition, this was a period when American politics as reflecting the American class system, was considerably more fluid than currently. It was not difficult for a movement to straddle the Bryan Democrats, the AIL, the Populists, the Socialist Party even the mugwumps (if you're Mark Twain). If you think that the Left is going to go into a coalition with the Right, which opposes every value the Left holds, because the Right, this week, opposes the current US intervention, you are sadly mistaken.
RED DAVE
October 31st, 2010 at 6:15 pm
I am not, as the principle critic of Justin's piece, which this thread is about, quibbling about interpretation. He out-and-out distorted his, and he did it for a reason. He wants to "resurrect" what he calls the "Old Right" and its antiwar tradition. So he has to make that tradition firmer and clearer than it actually was. And, in addition, he has to clean this tradition up as it is fraught with a set of politics that is indefensible.
And example of him trying to firm up the tradition is his statement that the Anti-Imperialist League and one of the factions in the League was a laissez-faire. If this were true, if there was, 100 years of so ago a big antiwar movement with his politics, how nice that would be.
Trouble is that the AIL was not composed of people with his politics but merely had a few people with his politics involved. In addition the group within the AIL that he looked to, the mugwumps, was, by and large, as racist as hell although the two individuals he mentioned above, Moorfield Storey and Edward Atkinson, were much better than some. The AIL was also composed of liberals, socialists and unaffiliated radicals.
While I don't have time to go into it tonight, the other movement that he harkins to, the America First Committee, is likewise not of the nature that he portrays. What the America First Committee served to do was to keep the US out of the war when it should have been obvious that the US should have been in the war. The AFC, while have some forces on the Left such as Norman Thomas involved with it, was attached to some forces that were antilabor and some forces that were fascistic, including Charles Lindberg, Robert McCormick and Father Coughlin.
That odious, racist, Pat Buchanan, who seems to be one of Justin's heroes lately, admitted that the AFC, "By keeping America out of World War II until Hitler attacked Stalin in June of 1941, Soviet Russia, not America, bore the brunt of the fighting, bleeding and dying to defeat Nazi Germany."
Nice people to ally with.
mother of necessity
October 31st, 2010 at 6:32 pm
"I am not, as the principle critic of Justin's piece, which this thread is about, quibbling about interpretation."
nope.
all you guys are doing is beating each other's dead horses to distract us from the real problems, those problems being… peak oil and the threat it poses to america and america's ability to protect israel.
mother of necessity
October 31st, 2010 at 6:42 pm
from john le carre's "russia house"…
"when a problem threatens to engulf you, there's nothing like irrelevant details to keep your head above water."
Justin Raimondo
October 31st, 2010 at 7:14 pm
The more you open your mouth, the more you reveal your sectarianism — a perfect example of what's wrong with the antiwar movement, such as it is, and the reason for its failure up until this point. And your amateur history is laughable, because it is so transparently self-serving: it's all about YOU and how freakin' virtuous you and your fellow sectarians are. Well, guess what: it's NOT about you. It's about building as broad a movement as possible, one spanning both sides of the political spectrum, to actually accomplish something other than self-congratulation.
Justin Raimondo
October 31st, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Morefield Storey was a founding member of the NAACP. The mugwumps were radical abolitionists, allied with the radical anti-slavery wing of the Republican party. And if you are arguing that "it's obvious" that the US "should have been in the war," then you are on the wrong web site, bud. This is ANTI-war dot com, remember? Go back to commie.com, where you can rhapsodize about the glories of war to your heart's content, and have yourself a ball.
JPA
October 31st, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Thank you, Mr. Raimondo. That was one of the best and most concise pieces on the Old Right that I have ever read. Keep up the good work.
FBastiat
November 1st, 2010 at 6:55 am
All right, you convinced me — Hitler was "murdered."
I stress the suicide because there has long been, as I'm sure you know, controversy over the details of the death:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Salvador_Al…
(Sorry for replying so late — no access over the weekend.)
RED DAVE
November 1st, 2010 at 11:04 am
Indeed Storey was. And indeed the mugwumps were abolitionists. As to how "radical" the anti-slavery wing of the RP was by, say, 1890, is another question. But that was never the issue. The issue is whether, as you wrote above, the mugwumps and the Anti-Imperialist League were "all" laissez-faire types. They clearly weren't. So were you wrong or are you trying to distort history to construct a beefed-up history for a right-wing antiwar movement?
Now, if you are trying "war bait" me or "red bait" me, all that shows is the low nature of your politics. But since you seem to have enjoyed McCarthyism as a spectator sport (you're too young to remember its devastation as I do), that's not surprising.
Mike
November 2nd, 2010 at 8:06 am
Get an education little boy.