Why I Hate Harry Truman
By invading Korea without consent of Congress, he brought us to this moment
Today is the sixtieth anniversary of the war that never ended – the Korean war, to be exact, the first real face-to-face armed conflict of the cold war era. Although a truce was declared, a peace treaty was never signed, and the threat that Harry Truman’s war will erupt once more hangs over our heads to this day. Yet the North Koreans are a threat mainly to themselves, as they rail and rant and launch provocations that are almost comical in their extravagance: Pyongyang, which routinely threatens to incinerate the South, has elevated bellicosity into an art form.
However, these odd relics of a half-forgotten past are not what haunts us today: after all, the Korean peninsula is on the outer fringes of the Empire, and what happens there is of little consequence to most Americans. What has the Korean war to do with us, in the here and now?
Well, now that you ask: plenty.
The war was a turning point in terms of the domestic political debate: when it broke out, the American political landscape was undergoing one of those seismic changes in which left becomes right, right becomes left, and the world is turned upside down.
On the right, the Republican party was recovering from its marginalization during the New Deal era, mobilizing its forces – and the nascent conservative movement – around the banner of militant anti-communism. Having been on the losing side of the foreign policy debate since Pearl Harbor, when the party’s “isolationist” wing was soundly defeated, the GOP wasn’t going to miss the opportunity to get their own back, and get it back they did. Except for an anti-interventionist old guard, led by the remnants of the Taft wing, the Republicans went on the warpath, literally, and launched a campaign designed to smear the Democrats as “soft on communism.” In very short order, the arguments they had made against the emergence of the US as a global power in the pre-war era were swept under the rug, to be replaced by a militant interventionism. McCarthyism – the movement personified by Senator Josepth “Tail Gunner Joe” McCarthy, the alcoholic loose cannon of the Republican right – was the bridge that allowed the GOP to cross that Rubicon, and there has been no going back ever since.
The identification of a supposedly all-pervasive domestic enemy – American Communists, who had, in fact, permeated the Roosevelt administration, especially in its lower echelons, during the old Popular Front days – energized their base and paved the way for the party to abandon its former “isolationism.” If it was okay to use the police powers of the emerging national security state to hunt down and identify Communists on the home front, then there was very little to stop us from carrying that crusade to the four corners of the earth – and we did just that.
In taking this path to power, the GOP went down the same road traveled by the Democrats only a few years before, when another form of socialism – National Socialism – was the enemy, and FDR used the threat posed by Hitler to brand his domestic opponents “copperheads” and worse. Roosevelt and his American Communist janissaries used every opportunity to drive home the point that the anti-war anti-New Deal Republicans and their conservative and libertarian allies were Hitlerites, active agents of the Third Reich intent not only on delivering the world to the Axis powers but also determined to undermine and reverse the glorious achievements ofKing Franklin. This smear campaign – the “Brown Scare” — was led by the extreme left wing of the wartime Popular Front, i.e. the Communist party, which was in the vanguard of the literary campaign to tar the Right with the Nazi brush. The fellow-traveling John Roy Carlson, aka Avedis Derounian, wrote a best-selling book that retailed this farrago of lies and established, to this day, the “official” history of that era which characterized the old America First antiwar movement as a “transmission belt” for Hitler’s propaganda, as one Commuinst-inspired tract put it.
It was only right, or so the conservatives thought, that the Brown Scare should be followed by a Red Scare, and so it was.
The Republicans went on the offensive, after the war, and, eager to recoup their losses – after having been almost completely marginalized during the war years – launched a campaign that accused the Democrats of “twenty years of treason.” As Russian armies moved into Eastern Europe and set up “people’s democracies,” and China fell into the Soviet orbit, this charge had a certain ring of truth to it. Indeed, the Roosevelt administration had collaborated with the American Communist party, especially in New York, where the Communist-dominated American Labor Party wielded a pivotal influence. The Communists had jumped on the New Deal bandwagon, and, in many instances, ridden it all the way to Washington, D.C., where their agents penetrated government agencies and set up an extensive espionage network, as documents culled from old Soviet archives have recently revealed. Alger Hiss was far from alone.
Such critics of Roosevelt’s road to war as Col. Robert Rutherford McCormick, publisher of the militantly “isolationist” (i.e. pro-peace) Chicago Tribune had presciently warned that Stalin would be the victor in a war to destroy National Socialism, and that we had better let the two dictators fight to the death like scorpions in a bottle. McCormick was vilified as a traitor for that, but history proved him right, and as Stalin’s armies were taking one Eastern Euopean capital after another, the tables were turned. This time, it was the left that was vilified as a “fifth column,” and the Republicans used the extreme right as a battering ram against the Democrats just as the New Dealers had used their Communist attack dogs in the war years.
Yet not everyone on the right was ready to throw their principles overboard, and a few voices of dissent were heard, albeit briefly and to no avail. When McCormick raised objections to NATO and the Marshall Plan, he was attacked by the leftist Nation magazine, as well as The New Republic, as taking the “Soviet line.” Senator Robert A. Taft, although he supported NATO, did so reluctantly, and his followers in the GOP congressional caucus, such as Rep. George H. Bender, had no compunctions about voting “nay.”
The siren song of “collective security,” and all the shibboleths of interventionism, had failed to work their charms on these stalwarts all though the war years, when the pressure to conform was really intense, and they weren’t about to abandon their hard-won principles now. The results of the war had validated them, and such writers as Garet Garrett, an editor of the Saturday Evening Post and a popular financial writer, warned us what was coming when he pointed to Truman’s “usurpation” of what had formerly been the sole prerogative of Congress: the power to declare war.
Roosevelt had carried out a complex campaign of deception, carrying on a secret war while publicly declaring his desire for peace: Truman, on the other hand, a pygmy in comparison, simply ignored Congress and went ahead and made war on the North Koreans. The Constitution, by this time, had become a mere parchment: this relegated it to the attic, finally, where it has lain ever since.
When Truman followed up his victory over the rule of law and the intent of the Founders with an order sending US troops to Europe, a few Republicans objected, and Truman commanded his lawyers and shills to come up with a rationalization for ditching the Constitution. They promptly complied with "Powers of the President to Send Troops Outside of the United States,” which was submitted to the Senate Foreign Relations committee. “This document,” averred Garrett,
“In the year 2950, will be a precious find for any historian who may be trying to trace the departing footprints of the vanished American Republic. For the information of the United States Senate it said: ‘As this discussion of the respective powers of the President and Congress has made clear, constitutional doctrine has been largely molded by practical necessities. Use of the congressional power to declare war, for example, has fallen into abeyance because wars are no longer declared in advance.’
“Caesar might have said it to the Roman Senate. If constitutional doctrine is molded by necessity, what’s a written Constitution for?”
FDR had greatly expanded the power of the presidency, not only by the sheer force of his personality but by the rise of administrative law, i.e. law written and administered by the growing bureaucracy, which was and is answerable directly to the White House. This was the signal achievement, if it can be called that, of the New Deal: the Imperial Presidency was born in the war years, and Truman sought to continue the tradition. As US troops were mired in the Korean mud, in 1952, the President invoked the mantra of “national security” and his alleged wartime powers to nationalize the steel industry, and call in the troops to break a strike. Steel was essential to fighting the war, he reasoned, and therefore it was entirely within his power as commander-in-chief to seize the steel mills: once again, the Constitution would be molded by ever-present “necessity.”
The steel industry took the case all the way to the Supreme Court, and won a tentative victory. As this piece on the case recounts:
“On June 2, 1952, the Supreme Court, by a 6–3 margin, ruled that President Truman’s seizure order was unconstitutional (Youngstown, Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579). Justice Hugo Black, writing the majority opinion, concluded: "The Founders of this Nation entrusted the lawmaking power to the Congress alone in both good and bad times." Justices Black and Douglas took the position that under no circumstances could a president alone constitutionally "make laws" as Truman had attempted to do with his executive order. The other four justices making up the majority did not go so far. Evidently, they believed that the national emergency in the spring of 1952 was not severe enough to justify the government takeover of privately owned steel companies. However, these justices implied that under more extreme circumstances, such an action by a president may be constitutional.”
Which is why, today, the courts would have no problem upholding Joe Lieberman’s bill giving the President power to switch off the internet – or, for that matter, effectively seize any and all industry — according to the dictates of “necessity.” Don’t you know there’s a war on?
Every administration uses the “national security” bugaboo to increase its power, and Truman outdid even FDR in the boldness of his usurpations, sending the troops to occupy the mills to avert a strike led by FDR’s former allies, the Communists and their fellow travelers in the unions. The national strike called by the steel workers was the last gasp of the left as it fell victim to the growing witch-hunt. The cold war years saw the rise of the “anti-Communist left,” i.e. right-wing Social Democrats and the forerunners of today’s neoconservatives, a shift prefigured when the Democrats dumped FDR’s first Vice President, Henry Wallace, and replaced him with Truman. The Wallace-ites soon hived off to form their own short-lived Progressive Party, and the left was marginalized until the 1960s. The legacy of Trumanism, i.e. cold war liberalism, was Vietnam.
As we sink in the mud of yet another quagmire, this time in the wilds of Central Asia, let us remember how we got here, and who brought us to this moment. Let us remember, and curse their names.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Edward Snowden vs. the Sovietization of America – June 18th, 2013
- A Note to My Readers – June 16th, 2013
- Datagate and the Death of American Liberalism – June 13th, 2013
- Smear Brigade Goes After Snowden – June 11th, 2013
- Edward Snowden, American Hero – June 9th, 2013





RobertBrager
June 25th, 2010 at 5:20 am
Great article. One small thing, though, that subtracts nothing from your argument: Henry Wallace was Roosevelt's second vice-president and not as you say his first. John Nance Garner was Roosevelt's first vice-president, serving from 1933 until the end of Roosevelt's second term.
epppie
June 25th, 2010 at 5:22 am
Basically, both parties rule for the oligarchs, for perhaps 1% of the population, and they are able to do this because they keep left hating right and right hating left
epppie
June 25th, 2010 at 5:41 am
The thing is, you HAVE to know that suggesting, as you do, that all communists were Russian agents is ethically and historically wrong. You want us to recognize that not all rightwingers were fascists. Ok. I'm sure that's true. Nor were all Lefties russian spies. In fact, communists were initially the core of the labor movement, which was a legitimate and crucial movement in American history, a crucial engine of progress, and the process of crushing communists began under FDR, who wanted to use Labor's power for his own, Liberal, ie. upper middle class, ends, without having to deal with the fact that Labor sought to represent all working Americans. FDR and his allies attacked the Left, attacked the communists, and the Red Scare attempted to finish them off, and essentially did (they did have to 'surge' against the Left at the end of the sixties, to really finish the Left off).
Essentially, the true Left and Right, the movements that seek to express the needs and beliefs of 99% of the people, have BOTH been marginalized. They need each other and compliment each other.
Justin Raimondo
June 25th, 2010 at 6:15 am
I stand corrected. How could I have forgotten about Garner? Now wasn't he a conservative Democrat who turned against the New Deal?
freedom013102
June 25th, 2010 at 2:49 am
It was also Harry Truman who, in 1948, against the advice of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and leading jewish figures in America, including Albert Einstein, decided to recognise the state of israel. A disaster for which we are all paying dearly. Shortly thereafter, his election campaign received an infusion of contributions from leading zionist groups that was to lead to his re-election. Probably the first time in U.S. history that a national election was influenced in that way. Foreshadowing the corruption that now runs rampant in our government.
RobertBrager
June 25th, 2010 at 10:07 am
He was indeed. And quite colorful to boot.
pwi
June 25th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Was not the Korean War one of two wars OK's by the UN in its history? Russia had walked out on the SC sometime before the vote in protest and when the vote was held was not able to vote no?
Thus the Russians learned a lesson not to be absent but the UN "voted" for the war and asked member nations to contribute.
Yes the US contributed the most but 16 other nations supplied troops. Desert Storm was the other war which got UN blessing. Could Truman after the US was such a "big" UN supporter not give troops?
Of course you are correct that the mandate of liberating and protecting South Korea was exceeded by invading the North but UN troops took part in those ops as well. And certainly some of Truman's actions deserve scorn but Korea was the UN's first big moment and well …
1966VietnamWarVet
June 25th, 2010 at 11:35 am
After having learned a 'lesson' in the Korean War it was General Douglas MacArthur who then supposedly advised JFK NOT to get involved in a land war anywhere in Asia!
It was then Secretarey of State Dean Acheson who stated in 1948 or 1949 that Korea was outside of America's sphere of interests – sort of gave the North a green light to attack the South – much like April Glasbie, ambassador to Iraq, sort of gave Saddam the green light to attack Kuwait.
'The Coldest Winter' details how America's troops in South Korea were ill prepared, ill trained, ill equipped, and even ill led – 25,000 casulties suffered in the first 4 months of combat. The Inchon Landings prevented US from being expelled from South Korea.
Sadly – the troops who fought in the Korean War came come to the same thankless reception given to those who fought in the Vietnam War.
We just refuse to learn any lessons!
GradyWilson
June 25th, 2010 at 5:03 am
good article – but one thing Justin (always) fails to acknowledge when discussing this time period is the very real support of the Nazis and Hitler by many on the right in America. Ford, Firestone, GM, GE, ITT, IBM, Chase, National City Bank, and many other right wing capitalists dealt with Hitler and the Nazi's. And btw the Nazis (like their partners in Spain and Italy) were FASCISTS. Just because they called themselves "SOCIALISTS" doesn't make them so. First thing Hitler and the Nazis did was round up the socialists, commies, labor leaders, leftists, etc. even before the Jews.
bret
June 25th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Fascist, socialist, what's the functional difference? (I submit that there ain't none, economically speaking. Politically, maybe there is a slight difference in flavor / allegiance, but w/r/t the masses this is largely academic.)
Otherwise, the "very real support" in the form of "deal[ing]" with the Nazis, what exactly is it that you are implying? You make an assertion that Justin never acknowledges this "fact" but you fail to link it to any argument.
MvGuy
June 25th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
"Just because they called themselves "SOCIALISTS" doesn't make them so. First thing Hitler and the Nazis did was round up the socialists, commies, labor leaders, leftists, etc. even before the Jews. "
A bit like the Republican freedom agenda under the moron prince….. "It's all about freedom" and to prove it we got the Patriot act…….but all the freedom in it was for the government's to spy on and imprison US the citizens without due process and those who take our freedom or torture us got legal impunity….
John V. Walsh
June 25th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Very good comment. I think we have to let go of some of this history now that fascism and communism are dead – at least in the forms they took in the 20th century.
The Old Left was dead wrong on its view of the USSR but dead right on matters like labor unions, racism and women's rights. The left today is anti-interventionist, but inconsistently so. The paleo and Libertarian right are today more consistently anti-interventionist and there is a crying need for all anti-interventionists to work together before the crazy US Empire blows us all up.
ralph
June 25th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Worst thing Truman did was to recognize Israel in return for Zionist support of his campaign
john
June 25th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
I still have mixed feeling about Sen. McCarthy, who has been vindicated by history. Yes, his tactics might have been crude and he was not part of the Eastern Establishment, but as it turned out he was right that the foreign policy that surrendered half of Europe to Stalin and gave China to Mao was an inside job orchestrasted by a sophiticated network of communist symphatizers in the State Department and other agencies. Thus one who exposes the true character of a leader who manipulated us into war, extended that war by a ridiculous insistence on unconditional surrender, and the perfidy of government cannot be all bad. That The Republicans used the revelations to abandon their non-interentionist foreign policy is not Senator McCarthy's fault, They could have instead used the revelations to illustrate that the only thing the United states accomplished by its interventionist policy was to substitute one evil for another, sacrificing all that blood and treasure to bring victory to Stalin and Mao.
bogi666
June 25th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Justin forgot to mention that his hero McCarthy was a lobbyist for the Chani Ki Chek paid to stir up anti communism. He died of alcoholism being discredited. I suppose Justin thinks Eisenhower was a communist as well. Does Justin belong to the John Birth Society? Justin's article stems from mindlessness, the inability to discern the thoughts of McCarthy in this case, from facts construing McCarthy's deranged alcoholic mind thoughts into his own facts.
musings
June 25th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
While this is a wonderful assessment of the foundations of our present government, originating in the Great Depression and taking us up to Harry Truman, there are some flaws, because it didn't all begin with FDR and Truman. You'd have to include Wilson and some of his predecessors.
Nationalizing the steel mills by Truman? But didn't that serve the steel mill owners, unlike under socialism. Here is dealt a blow to the unions. But FDR already played that card when made sure that longshoremen didn't strike during Lend-Lease, when we supported England but before Pearl. Thus two Democrat presidents opposed the unions in these instances. Truman inherited the Manhattan Project and implemented it fully (over Hiroshima and Nagasaki), and then the right wing took over during Eisenhower to continue his extensive testing program which blanketed the country in fallout and probably caused many fatal cases of childhood leukemia and well as health problems which persist to this day.
Once again, we have been stirred up to focus on aliens with whom we have little in common, less in common than we did with the Europeans. There are people who foam at the mouth whenever they say "Islamofascist". They keep seeing the Twin Towers over and over in their heads, and like their ancestors, they constantly remember that particular Maine. We have been manipulated by newspapers and by malefactors of great wealth for a long time here. It is part of our national burden.
bogi666
June 25th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Truman didn't want to but caved into the pressure from the Democratic Zionist's. How's that working out for us, Americans?
bogi666
June 25th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Vindicated, what is the Republican Party's fascination with alcoholic and drug addicts as being legitimate sources of leadership and capability. I guess that as far as the Repubican Party goes, scum raises to the top making it fit for legitimacy.
musings
June 25th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
I agree with you. There is a book written a couple years ago about IBM's tech support to the Hitler government, not to speak of its sales to same.
I think this can be summed up in the story of financial services firms which have long clients while they themselves short the shares, mortgages, what have you. They sell to Hitler, say, enabling his rise, and then they help to destroy what they have built up, so they can come in and pick it up cheaply. Had they never enabled the rise, had they never stoked the "recovery" from the Depression he allegedly brought about with German "will" , something else would have emerged, but it would probably not have been so spectacularly profitable in the long run. And of course maybe the Germans would have had to come up with some accommodation of or opposition to Stalin on their own. But wasn't Lenin buddies with some California oil capitalists like Armand Hammer? I seem to recall… hm.
Mhstahl
June 25th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Grady,
Nazi Germany was not fascist-at least not in the sense of Italian style formal corporatism-it was instead, as Germany always was(and even still is to some extent), extremely nationalistic, with a legal structure that resulted in(as was always the case in Germany, and still is frankly) de-facto socialism of risks and privatization of profits(the Krupp's did quite well you might recall in both wars).
It's not left or right, it's just evil-and it ain't dead.
As far as American Corps. and elites supporting the Nazi economic plan-wow, there's a shocker! Where do you think the Germans came up with their idea for twisting(long before the Nazis) free-enterprise into an oligopoly? I would suggest a comparison between the 'American System' of the Whig, and later Republican party of the 19th century.(this is before an earlier 'seismic shift' in politics that shifted Republicans from progressive to the 'Old Right' classical liberals of the first 1/2 of the 20th cent.-recall TR was a 'progressive', yet Cleveland, a Dem., was what we would today call a 'Constitutionalist' and free-marketeer.)
Do you suppose that perhaps, just perhaps, its time to put away the long knives that politicians have sharpened for you, and start demanding some accountability from the true villains?
GradyWilson
June 25th, 2010 at 7:01 am
I find it morally repulsive that McCarthyism is excused and even praised on this site. People lost their jobs and reputations many times just for unsupported accusations. People were calling others who did not think like them traitors, unAmerican, unpatriotic and hauling them before the "House 'UnAmerican' Activities Committee" just for their views. Those who supported child labor laws were accused of being communists. This is what libertarianism is about?
Actually this brings up a rather uncomfortable reality. Many free market capitalist / libertarians are indeed today's fascists. Many support the US backed coup in Honduras, the US intervention in Colombia, Reagan's Latin American death squads, and of course praise the bloody Pinochet/Milton Freidman regime in Chile all in the name of 'free markets and anti-communism' – just like the paranoid fascist right wing McCarthyites that they admire and claim have been 'vindicated'.
GradyWilson
June 25th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Sometimes when I read Justin I have to double check to make sure its not Jonah Goldberg that I'm reading.
Eric
June 25th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
There were only two votes against the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, Wayne Morse (D-OR) and Ernest Gruening (D-AK).
RobertBrager
June 25th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
That is bad, but in regards to Truman, I hardly think it was the worst thing he did. Millions dead in Korea (killings that began well before the outbreak of war) and tens of thousands more in Greece. The use of atomic weapons endears him little. Putting the vise down on Okinawa and supplying the logistical support for brutal counterinsurgency policies in the Philippines are pretty lamentable as well. Who knows, though, maybe in the long haul you're correct. But I'd be uncomfortable saying that.
RobertBrager
June 25th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Where was McCarthyism excused?
"Many free market capitalist / libertarians are indeed today's fascists."
Libertarians?
"I find it morally repulsive that McCarthyism is excused and even praised on this site. People lost their jobs and reputations many times just for unsupported accusations. "
Isolate for me exactly where such an endorsement was made, because I am not seeing it. One thing you have half-correct, though. Libertarians don't exactly cry when people in government lose their jobs.
"People were calling others who did not think like them traitors, unAmerican, unpatriotic and hauling them before the "House 'UnAmerican' Activities Committee" just for their views."
That's a rhetorical flourish of practically every political constituency in the United States, not only then, but lingering proudly on up to today and purges are common. That's an incredible blind spot that you're nursing.
"Those who supported child labor laws were accused of being communists. This is what libertarianism is about?"
Non-aggression axiom. End of story. I'll let Dondero show up later and claim some other unrelated breakdown of what libertarianism entails.
"Many support the US backed coup in Honduras, the US intervention in Colombia, Reagan's Latin American death squads, and of course praise the bloody Pinochet/Milton Freidman regime in Chile all in the name of 'free markets and anti-communism' – just like the paranoid fascist right wing McCarthyites that they admire and claim have been 'vindicated'."
Libertarians? Again: Non-aggression axiom. If you really think that any of the individuals responsible for this site endorse the terrible history of U.S. interventionism throughout the Americas, then you have another thing coming. Nor would anyone affiliated with the LvMI, the Independent Institute, the FFF, the FEE, and certainly not among the classically libertarian left.
Justin made the connection between the Brown Scare (which, for some reason or another, many on the ostensible left have a hard time recalling, yourself it appears included), a witch hunt endorsed and prosecuted by many of the same people discredited in the Red Scare for whom you're shedding crocodile tears, and the Red Scare itself. Justin also, quite correctly, noted that the presence of actual communists in the federal government was a reality. He made no endorsement of rooting them out.
Chile. We could all have a lot of fun with that. Needless to say, things there weren't quite as you say. All of which isn't at all germane to the point. Monetarist economics, a branch of Keynesian economics, aren't libertarian economics and that's that. Besides, this kind of shit gets us nowhere. You bring up 3,000 dead (the more realistic figures, most of whom were killed by either the police or the military during the coup itself) killed by the Pinochet regime in thirty years and another guy hands the penalty flag to your team for having killed, for example, 2,000,000 in Cambodia in less than five. I'm surprised you didn't bring up that ruthless Batista and the hundreds of individuals his cops killed when revolution hit the streets and supply your opponents with the opportunity to sweep in and point out the far greater ruthlessness of the Castro regime. This kind of numbers game is really unflattering for people who ought to be appalled by all such death and mayhem. Isn't it all morally repulsive? Or just so for ostensible communists or those tarred as such?
Here's the short syllabus: Libertarians oppose corporatism and empire. Any who purport to be libertarians (Dondero, the Kochs, Root) but embrace these political expediencies aren't libertarians, however stridently they might protest otherwise.
liberranter
June 25th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
We just refuse to learn any lessons!
I'm actually inclined to think that "we", if by which you mean the ordinary citizens of the United States, have learned more lessons that is generally realized. It's the kleptoplutocracy ruling over us, the creature responsible for all of the aggressive military interventions of the last century, acts that served only its own selfish ends, that refuses to learn any lessons. And why should it, given that it can exercise raw, unchecked power over us, forcing us to serve as cannon fodder in its wars of conquest at its every whim? Until We the Sheeple become We the People again and rise up and put a stop to this insanity, history will continue to repeat itself in true Santayanan form.
RobertBrager
June 25th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Wayne Morse was memorably featured in Emile de Antonio's In the Year of the Pig debating a fatuous technocrat alarmed that any one individual (well, put as "the American people", but understood in the context as individual Americans) could determine his or her own foreign policy.
I think that about sums up what we're up against.
Strider55
June 25th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
I suspect the USSR deliberately walked out of the UNSC in order to let the war commence. They knew the US & Britain would bear the main burden of the fighting and dying. Meanwhile the Soviets would conveniently stay on the sidelines and continue to recover from the death and destruction of WW2.
Machiavelli would have been proud.
bogi666
June 25th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
I realize that if you disagree with Justin he censors those person. Who'd a guessed.
the_big_wedding
June 25th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Agent Raimundo forgot one small Truman administration event, which has inexorably down the road to dictatorship: 1947 Nation Security Act. This law created the national security state oligarchy that now run the United States:
http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/the_critics/oglesby/Se…
and has CIA insider, like the Bush family to use plausible deniability, compartmentalization and secrecy priveleges to amass fortunes. If you want to "hate" Truman, hate him for this.
R/T
June 25th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
You're wrong Ralph , read Trumans biography , and you might learn exactly why he made his decision . It's your right to harbor a dislike for Israel , jews or zionists , but try sticking to the truth .
If you knew what you were talking about , you'd know that just about his entire Cabinet was against recognizing Israel , as well as the British , French and their arabist infested intelligence agencies , including our own . No , the pressure was actually tremendous , to reject recognition .
R/T
June 25th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Given the circumstances , the US , /Truman ..did the right thing in Korea . And there's millions of South Koreans who are living free .Just look at North Korea , man it's obvious !
Truman as opposed to almost every president since , and a good deal before was a great president .
Uh …there are "bad guys " in the world , and no , some of them can not be left to their own devices .
R/T
June 25th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
As for McCarthy ? He was a germ, that needed an anti-biotic , McCarthyism in my opinion can not be defended , approved or accepted , and NO , McCarthy has not been "vindicated " as a previous poster stated . Dont know what planet he's living on .
andy
June 25th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
I agree. Let the dumb Americans get suckered into a debilitating war. Pretty clever.
andy
June 25th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
I agree with you 100%.
gerryhiles
June 25th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
Trouble with all debates, including those as good as this one, is 'labels'.
No offence, Justin, but whether it's Libertarian, Communist, or anything else, in practice if you put two people of any 'persuasion' together for any length of time you get two 'factions'.
"The Life of Brian" illustrated this comically with the sundry "free Palestine" movements … not as though the Romans really had a 'united front', nor the Americans/Israelis today, but there you go.
What the alternative is to 'labelling' I don't know, e.g. if pushed I'd say I am a "left pantheist" and, these days, eschew any attempt to explain. I found I couldn't forty-odd years ago when I was a short-lived "Communist", though it's taken me over sixty years to realize that all labels are pretty meaningless, as soon as you get into any detail about what any two (let alone millions of) people actually believe.
R/T
June 26th, 2010 at 1:15 am
Yea , we all "used to Americans " .
R/T
June 26th, 2010 at 1:16 am
That is "used to be Americans "
MvGuy
June 26th, 2010 at 1:31 am
I am in complete agreement R/T..!! I suppose we would disagree on which ones are "bad guys".. Hey, one persons bad guy, another persons goody twosheos…. I'm gonna nominate Chainey, Bush and Rumzfeld and Yoo for "bad guy" 'warcrimes'…. There ain't no statute of limitations so it will take a little time… Look at John Demjanjuk… Look how long certain people took, and he is innocent..!!! Yaa i see trouble down the road for these war criminals that America has followed like the rats of Hamlin
Lloyd
June 26th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Communist, fascist, whatever. The only people who take political ideology seriously are 'intellectuals' –people who think that (their) ideas matter. If you want to be depressed, read 'The Captive Mind'. Czeslaw Mislosz portrays 1950s Polish communist party members, journalists and academics who believed their own b.s. about how they were creating a better world. Workers and peasants knew early on that communism was a cruel joke. It always takes intellectuals a lot longer to catch onto things.
bogi666
June 26th, 2010 at 11:41 am
This site asks for donations and censors some commentors. This is an insult and shows disdain to its readers. If I want to be insulted, censored and then begged for money, I'll just watch a fundamental televangelist in the comfort of my home. Or, I'll give to some political party or candidate. I don't donate to churches and/or politicians because I would be a fool and for the same reason I won't donate to this site but will continue to read it.
E. A. Costa
June 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
"The true enemy of man is generalization."
Czesław Miłosz
Ah yes, "All generalizations are bad." But isn't "man" in this sententia a generalization, that is, in the sense "mankind".
Which amounts to, "The true enemy of a generalization is generalization."
Interesting that fellow insisted on his Lithuanian ethnicity. No Pole would ever embarrass himself or herself so with such claptrap save drunk on two bottles of Bison and joking.
dandy dale
June 27th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Justin: Didn't the Veona Papers vindicate McCarty? He was more on target than off. I searched Raimondo / Veona Papers before posting.
Chas
June 28th, 2010 at 12:40 am
syngman rhee, then military dictator of south korea butchered tens, if not hundreds of thousands of south korean intellectuals, political (read leftist) activists, and labor union members up to 1950. He was the tunnel rat, sending weekly incursions into north korea for sabotage and terror against civilians, all before the north korean invasion. the record is packed with north korean complaints accompanied by hard evidence, to the UN, usa and their own supposed supporters, the ussr and prc. However, Stalin in particular made every effort to restrain kim il sung, to the point of refusing requested aircraft and pilot training, and withdrawing many trainers as kim became more shrill. rhee was a first class warlord and korean post-ww2 history is, for the most part, his legacy
Chas
June 28th, 2010 at 12:58 am
Goebbels, himself, credited the rise rise and nurture of eugenics in america, as the inspiration for the third reich's ultimate genocides
Chas
June 28th, 2010 at 1:11 am
no doubt, john is in possession of incontrovertible evidence, gleaned from the pages of Reader's Digest, that Europe and China were handed to Stalin on a silver platter by the red infested FDR admin. no doubt, in your opinion, if Patton had not been "betrayed" he woulda liberated all of Eurup all the way to past the Ural Mountains. No doubt
Chas
June 28th, 2010 at 1:24 am
Lithuania was the "other" half of the Polish and Lithuanian Commonwealth in their glory years during the 16th century. Don't think that Poles became the most powerful kingdom in Europe at the time entirely on their own !
truthseeker
June 29th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
truth, liberty, peace…and they have to be in that order for them to last…
Justin introduced me to some mind blowing truths…but he is keeping the lid on the fact that this division is the result of purposeful design….not random chance…
rothschild bankers own the west, funded communism, funded nazism, and fund zionism in a bid to divide where there is resistance and consolidate the nwo where there is weary acceptance….
i.e. if you fight them you get brutal, genocidal communism and once you are beaten down, you get a chance at seductive materialistic capitalism…but both lead to enslavement.
Truth will set us free…but we need ALL the truth not just another layer of deception….
Charles Remarque
December 10th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
So true, Few American have bothered to read the creation of Israel with the help of the terrorist organization the Irgun and Manachem Began. Began blew up the King David Hotel, murdered many of the English forces attempting to harmonize Israel for the sole benefit of his Zionist followers.