Ambushed by Rachel “Tail-gunner Jane” Maddow, Rand Paul – son of Ron – is at the center of a ever-escalating controversy, one that underscores the complete emptiness of political discourse in this country. It was a “gotcha” moment that will go down in the history books, under “dirty tricks,” along with the daisy-picking ad run by Democrats against Barry Goldwater in the 1964 presidential election. Indeed, Rachel took us all the way back to 1964, the year the Democrats dropped their longstanding opposition and passed the first Civil Rights Act, which outlawed segregation of the races in public schools and other taxpayer-funded institutions, as well as in private housing and employment.
Rand, revealed Rachel, had told the Louisville Courier-Journal that he opposed this landmark legislation: he wants to re-segregate those lunch counters, she screeched, and take us back to the days of Jim Crow! After a ten minute tirade to that effect, she finally let Rand on the air to rebut – and it went downhill from there.
Now the General Electric/MSNBC wing of the Democratic party – or do I repeat myself? – has seized on Rand as the purported symbol of the “racist” Tea Party movement, and the evil of all libertarians, who are supposedly so wrapped up in their “utopian” theories that they don’t know or care that they’re aiding and abetting the Ku Klux Klan. Rachel, they crow, has exposed libertarians as “white supremacists! This confirms, in their own minds, at least, the narrative they’ve been pushing since the election of Barack Obama: administration critics are right-wing dingbats who aren’t even trying to hide the fact that they’re unrepentant raaaaa-cists.
Outside of the self-referential world of cable entertainment, this alleged unmasking of the deep dark secret bigotry at the heart of libertarian darkness isn’t very convincing. After all, what has the passage of the 1964 Act and its successors actually accomplished in terms of ending segregation in housing and increasing black employment? When Rand defended his stance, albeit not very articulately, Maddow responded with “unless it’s illegal, there’s nothing to stop that—there’s nothing under your world view to stop the country from re-segregating like we were before the Civil Rights Act of 1964.”
What an odd view of America – a country that, you’ll recall, has recently elected an American of African descent to the highest office in the land. In Rachel’s world, the nation is teeming with KKKers, who are just waiting to restore the bad old days of Jim Crow. Yet can you imagine what would happen to the first store that dared post a sign saying “No blacks”? The uproar would drive them out of business within hours.
Paul opined that we’ve had a lot of re-segregation in the past thirty years, but most of his arguments – irrelevant diversions into the second and first amendments – completely missed the point: there has been no re-segregation in private housing and employment, because there was no significant desegregation to begin with. We still have black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods, and as a general rule the old aphorism “last hired, first fired” still applies to blacks. What world are these people living in?
The reason the 1964 Civil Rights Act and its numerous successors haven’t made any real dent in the stubborn racial exclusiveness that persists in housing and employment is because the Act was never about the victims of racism: it was, instead, all about white liberals like Ms. Maddow (and her fan club) making themselves feel good – about themselves.
Aren’t we virtuous! Aren’t we righteous! Who cares if civil rights legislation has actually resulted in negligible gains for blacks: we can fix that with affirmative action. So who’s being the “utopian” now? More thoughtful types might wonder, however: why didn’t it work?
The reason is because human beings aren’t mind-readers. Unless someone puts up a sign saying “No blacks need apply,” it’s impossible to know when discrimination has occurred. Until and unless the US Justice Department can get a hold of those “telepathic helmets” I hear the Pentagon is developing, the task of outing corporate racists is likely to prove insurmountable.
Without going into the libertarian ins and outs of what is an interesting but politically irrelevant issue, however, the controversy surrounding Rand Paul gives me the opportunity to point out what I thought should have been all too obvious by now.
Maddow didn’t expose Rand Paul’s alleged “racism” – what she revealed is his inability to function, like his father, as a spokesman for libertarianism. After all, he isn’t his father – unfortunately, I would add. Wouldn’t it be great to have Ron in the Senate? He’s certainly more than earned it. One can only dream. Yet the advent of Paul, the son, is turning into my personal nightmare.
I have to say that I’ve held off commenting on the subject of Rand’s candidacy quite deliberately, because I wanted to give him the benefit of every doubt. I wasn’t too alarmed, at first, when he differed from his father on the subject of Guantanamo and the question of whether to give “enemy combatants” a trial before we lock them up forever – I didn’t and don’t agree, but plenty of anti-interventionists I respect, such as Pat Buchanan, would take Rand’s side in that debate, and so I gave him a pass.
He did an interview with Antiwar.com, in which he stated some mildly anti-interventionist sentiments, coming out against the “long term” occupation of Afghanistan. As one commenter on the thread put it, however, “Not in favor of long-term occupation of Iraq or Afghanistan? What does he think the situation is right now?” That same perceptive commenter presciently added: “I’m not a Ron Paul fan, but from this interview, it seems like Rand Paul is no Ron Paul.”
In any case, Trey Grayson, his opponent in the Republican primary, made a big issue of his even appearing on the radio with those “leftist” radicals at Antiwar.com – Ha! If only they knew! – and ran television ads juxtaposing Rand’s comments to those of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. To no avail, however, and Rand smashed Grayson with a resounding 60 percent of the vote – a clear signal that the neocon foreign policy of invading the world has no resonance anymore, not even in a GOP primary in a solidly Republican state.
Yet Rand drew a different conclusion from the election results, because he began backtracking immediately, even before election day, even as the polls showed Grayson’s attacks were having no effect. Rand came out in favor of economic sanctions on Iran, and further opined:
“I do see Iran as a threat to the stability of the Middle East… Recently, President Obama took nuclear weapons off the table in certain circumstances, and I think that’s a mistake. I think it’s reckless to take them out of the equation.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that sounds to me like he’s in favor – given the right circumstances – of nuking Iran. This is something that not even the wildest-eyed neocon has seriously proposed. That an alleged “libertarian” could mouth those words is appalling, but hardly surprising: it just means that, in a world where even a loudmouthed statist like Bill Maher can claim to be a “libertarian,” the word has lost all meaning. No wonder Bill Kristol wants to give the kid a break.
I don’t even want to go into the rest of his symptoms of foot-in-mouth disease, but Rand’s characterization of the President as “anti-American” for holding BP responsible for the consequences of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico cannot go unremarked. To begin with, as Chris Hayes pointed out in his excellent discussion of the issue while filling in for Maddow, the oil companies are one of the biggest examples of the sort of crony capitalism libertarians are supposed to abhor. As the recipients of numerous subsidies and government subventions, the oil companies are also the beneficiaries of a legislated cap [.pdf] on damages which limits their liability. In a free market, it’s likely they couldn’t drill off the Florida coast at all because they couldn’t afford the insurance.
As in the case of all the other governmental bodies and agencies we have that are supposed to “oversee” the activities of the corporate world, the overseers have been subjected to a strategy of “regulatory capture.” They’re in bed – literally – with the very companies they are supposed to be overseeing.
It’s true that Rand got his start in the libertarian movement, as a supporter of and spokesman for his father, but good sense may not be hereditary, and, in any case, Paul the younger seems not to have inherited his father’s backbone. Can you imagine Rand standing up to the bully Rudy Giuliani – or even daring to raise the issue that motivated Giuliani’s grandstanding outburst? I can’t.
Instead, what we have seen is a sustained attempt by Rand to transform libertarianism into “constitutional” conservatism: when asked to describe his politics, Rand regularly disdains the libertarian label and avers that he’s a “constitutional conservative.” You know, as opposed to those unconstitutional conservatives – the sort who want to give the President the power to suspend habeas corpus, lock up “enemy combatants” in Guantanamo, and throw away the key.
What we should do is simply take Rand at his word, in this instance, and recognize that he is indeed no libertarian. This will relieve him of being in the embarrassing position of having to explain and defend our arcane canons, and lift from his shoulders the burden of having to translate theory into a political program that makes sense for today. Clearly, he’s not up to the task, and, in any event – not being a libertarian – he’s even more clearly not interested in taking on the job.
He is interested, however, is gaining as much support for his candidacy nationwide as he can. That is how he got to where he is today, after all: by appealing to his father’s constituency for financial and other forms of support. If he hopes this support will be ongoing, he may be in for a shock: having the right last name will only get him so far with libertarians. He has got to learn to live up to his father’s good name, and I have a suggestion as to how he might make a good start.
Since he’s spent so much time apologizing for, and running away from, his own comments – now claiming that he would have voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act – why doesn’t he spend a few moments backtracking from his morally reprehensible refusal to take nuking Iran “out of the equation”? Now that‘s something he really ought to get down on his hands and knees and beg forgiveness for – and maybe (just maybe!) libertarians will think about supporting him. Until that apology – or “clarification” – is forthcoming, I wouldn’t give Rand Paul the time of day.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013





Ira Epstein
May 24th, 2010 at 4:36 am
Rand Paul is proof that great men have no seed.
Tristan Dietz-Band
May 24th, 2010 at 4:43 am
Look, Raimondo, we're finished. Randal's mistake killed libertarianism for good.
Let it go. It'll be enough of a victory to end the wars. We're the new socialists; even after the Cold War, they still go on like the Dream is still alive. But they know, just as we do, that it isn't so. Many, who have does this for so long, will be unable to do much of anything else.
Maybe I am too cynical, but unless there is a miracle…
pons seclorum
May 24th, 2010 at 4:46 am
Rand Paul (this goes for paleo-libertarians as well), if he was to express his reservations over any aspect of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, ought to have set his sights on affirmative action. In order for the act to pass, LBJ had to ally himself with Republican Everett Dirksen in exchange for an amendment that proscribed racial quotas and, hence, affirmative action. The illegality of quotas was flouted by a legal activist in the EEOC and this disobedience was in time enshrined in the Griggs decision, heralding the era of implicit discrimination and protected minorities. Henceforth, wherever there were instances of 'disparate impact' it was taken for granted that protected minorities where maliciously discriminated against and that specific evidence of such maltreatment was unnecessary. According to legal activists pursuing 'social justice', there is no explanation for disparate impact but racism all the way down. The consequences have been baleful. Paul should have addressed the original intent of the law and its subsequent subversion by legal/ judicial activist chicanery. AA is a topic of much relevance as it is the pervasive quota mentality–exemplified by the CRA and EEOC–that has wrought so much economic chaos.
dembones
May 24th, 2010 at 4:53 am
I'm sorry, but what the hell does any of this have to do with war?
Peter Abbott
May 24th, 2010 at 5:10 am
I'll probably be the only one here who'll say so, but I think you're being unfair to Rachel Maddow. She did not accuse Rand Paul of being a racist, and the two of them, as well as Maddow and Ron Paul, have had civil discussions, even mutually respectful discussions before. This one was more vigorous, but what I understand Maddow to say is, simply, that Rand Paul was wrong to maintain, as Goldwater did, that government in general and the federal government in particular has no role to play in preventing racial discrimination in private- as well as public-sector education, housing, employment and public accommodations. That's not the same thing as accusing either of the Pauls or Goldwater of racism. It was a philosophical debate in which Rand Paul did not have the courage to say what he has always believed and often stated.
That's why the interview took so long. Paul refused to say what he believed. Maddow said herself she would like to have moved on to other topics, and I wish she had, specifically the issue of economic deregulation, where the libertarian position does not look so good these days either.
Despite all that, I was more inclined to agree with Robert Scheer's recent article, which welcomed Rand Paul's possible election to the Senate (assuming this will be a Republican year in Kentucky as elsewhere), because of the potential for a "left-right" alliance against interventionism and for a restoration of civil liberties and the rule of law. But the key word there is "was": in light of Rand Paul's comments on Iran, which you've cited here, it appears that he's a captive of the War Party after all. Maybe he'll shift again, but I doubt it.
Brent
May 24th, 2010 at 5:36 am
JUSTIN! You are better than this.
He didn't call Obama "un-American." He said the language used by the administration through Robert Gibbs "sounded un-American," specifically, Gibbs claiming that they would "put the boot heels on the throats of BP." That language comes out of tyrannical regimes, it should NOT be coming out of American presidencies.
That is all.
Matt
May 24th, 2010 at 5:57 am
Btw Maddow and Mahr wouldn't know libertarianism if it bit them in the ass.
Joe Cesarone
May 24th, 2010 at 6:03 am
Justin, I appreciate your holding Rand's feet to the fire and keeping him honest, but come on..
First of all, you state that "Rand came out in favor of economic sanctions on Iran", but the link to the O'Reilly video which you reference as proof of this merely shows that Rand is in favor of not providing government subsidies to companies doing business with Iran (isn't that what libertarians would advocate anyway?), and having pensions for government workers divest themselves from companies that do business in Iran…that's a far cry from the crippling economic sanctions/trade embargo we had against Iraq, but anybody who doesn't click on your link would assume that is what Rand is calling for…
And secondly, for you to take the "I'm more libertarian than thou" line against Rand is a little disingenuous, wouldn't you say, seeing as how you endorsed Pat Buchanan for President despite his extreme protectionist views…and have repeatedly endorsed the War on (Non-Government-Approved) Drugs (at least, you have regularly derided those who advocate drug legalization). And you once promoted Barack Obama himself as the great messiah who would finally bring peace to the world…yet somehow Rand is your "personal nightmare" you wouldn't even give the time of day? Sorry , but your denouncement of Rand doesn't hold nearly as much weight with me as his father's endorsement does. But I do respect and appreciate your current and future efforts to point out his deviations from non-interventionist principles.
BradSmith
May 24th, 2010 at 6:35 am
Well I can say one thing. This will be the last time I donate anything to your site.
Why would you slam Rand this way?? How many other's could you have taken the time to pick on?
but NOOOO, just because he doesn't live up to your hopes and dreams he is now evil.
Ira Epstein
May 24th, 2010 at 7:37 am
The problem with Rand Paul is not that he does not agree with every jot and tittle of libertarian philosophy. In stating that he would not take the nuclear option off the table with respect to Iran, he is striking at the very core of libertarian philosophy; the nonaggression principle. To consider the mass murder of thousands and thousands of innocent Persians a legitimate option to resolve a dispute about the nature of the Iranian government's nuclear program should be enough to prevent any libertarian, or decent person for that matter, from ever supporting Rand Paul for anything. I think this was one of Justin's stronger articles, and if I fault him for anything it is for not coming out more strongly against Rand Paul and his Boortzian brand of liberventionism.
tomjhorne
May 24th, 2010 at 8:12 am
Neither doe's Rand Paul
Druthers
May 24th, 2010 at 8:41 am
"Yet can you imagine what would happen to the first store that dared post a sign saying “No blacks”? The uproar would drive them out of business within hours."
The South would probably be covered with Confederate flags and singing Dixie.
Racism is alive and well and a vast space of ignorance is spreading like oil seeping into the marshes of Lousiana.
john
May 24th, 2010 at 9:13 am
Rand Paul, like most politicains, has no core values or beliefs; he will say or do anything to get himself elected. He has cast his lot with the neo-conservatives now that he has adopted their interventionsis foreign policies and their jettisoning of the fourth through eight amendments toThe Constituion. Those of us who supported his father; especially those who continue to exist in a state of denial about the son, must awake and look for a new candidate to represent a non-interventionist, America first ,foreign policy, and a restoration of liberties at home. Rand Paul has betrayed out trust,
Hacklheber
May 24th, 2010 at 9:58 am
a) It's commentary we like to hear
b) CTRL-F + "war" on Justin's article
Lloyd G.
May 24th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Being a libertarian and going against the corporatist/statist press is a no-win proposition. Opposed to Federal diktats re: affirmative action, gay marriage or abortion? Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Opposed to foreign interventionism? Naive, uncaring, probably antisemitic. Opposed to the expansion of the police/surveillance state? Must be one of those militia nuts.
If libertarians are going to get on electronic media they have to be on the offensive. Don't let corporate media hacks like Maddow frame the 'debate'. Play their game by their rules and you lose. Instead of debating whether ending discrimination is a good idea — in theory — Paul could have simply said "Where are we now? Millions of minorities in ghettos and prison. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 might have been motivated by genuine decency, but did it really do much good?" AND THEN "Since I'm here and only have a few minutes, there are some things I'd like to talk about…"
bogi666
May 24th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Being from a non confederate state I see the racism issue as a red herring/stalking horse issue meant to distract Americans from important issues. I'm glad I was blessed with the opportunity to be raised without government sanctioned segregation which by TRUE libertarian standards is a waste of taxpayers monies. A legitimate libertarian would look at it in that light rather than using the stalking horse of segregation based purely on emotional baggage. AS for store closing,raising the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia rebel flag at best, and whistling dixie, just about any reputable merchant wouldn't forego the profit to exercise his racism except in an all white town. As for donating to this site WHERE I AN CENSORED, if I want abuse with arrogance and dirision I'll watch the televangelists on TV where I can be insulted and called names by the phony preachers in the comfort of my own home, who then beg for money and their congregations of fools give them money, thank you very much.
John Westbrook
May 24th, 2010 at 10:59 am
This continuing 'non-issue' and propagandizing the Democratic affirmation of Civil Rights Act of 1964, et al is just that. It's political theater and the media blathering on and the pundits nodding like bobble heads is a non-issue.
The same Congresses and Presidents of both parties while signing this mish mash of do-good Civil Rights legislation at the same time continued to appropriate funding at the Federal level year end and year out since 1932 of the Tuskegee Experiments. the infamous evil deliberate federally funded experiments of illiterate black sharecroppers in the South that were studied without benefit if end medicine just to allow the late stages of syphilis to be monitored and studied. This program would continue to exist until 1972 until it was finally exposed.
Jim Crow blah blah blah (Maddow is such a hypocrite) is never coming back but secretive unaccountable bureaucratic centralized Federal government doing things it has no business doing will continue.
While were were judging Nazi doctors at the latter Nuremberg Trials, the government was conducting their own. While the Congress was signing so-called "historic" legislation, literate blacks were deliberately denied humane medical care for special interests.
That's where Rand Paul dropped the ball and where the hypocrisy of the uber politically correct Utopians show their real concerns. No body was ever held accountable and penicillin was cheap and has been inexpensive since 1947.
We are all wiser to remember that we judge by actions and not the words they speak to get elected.
I agree Rand Paul is not his father, he has never served in elective office and it shows but I will continue to give him the benefit of the doubt. The apple never falls far from the tree. Not from 43 to 41 to Prescott Bush and I'm hoping Rand from Ron.
Little Paulie
May 24th, 2010 at 11:09 am
I think that Rand Paul, once elected, will change many of his neocon platforms especially in relation to intervention. There is no way that a fiscal conservative is going to back a 30 year war with Iran which will bankrupt this country and endanger the world's oil supply. A lot of politicians will say anything to get elected, but when they finally are they show their true colors. Take Obama, for instance, and how he ran on the platforms of bringing the troops home and closing Gunatanamo bay. He ended up doing the exact opposite, and I think that Rand will truly speak his mind once he is in the senate. I don't think that Rand deserved to bashed in this article as badly as Raimondo bashed him.
Corkey
May 24th, 2010 at 11:31 am
I agree, Brad. The guy just got nominated and hasn't even won the Senate seat yet. As I have stated before, Rachel Maddow has executed a "heel turn (synonynmous with "bad guy")" as a newscaster faster than you can say the name of pro wrestler, "Ric Flair". Both her and "Bad Hair" Olbermann were our "baby face" heros during the evil days of George Bush. Now those bad guys are gone and and their antiwar hero Obama is newly elected but what happened? Well, Obama is doing nothing that he promised to do including bringing the troops home, so what do ole Rachel and Ken do? Attack the third party movement any way they can. Why do you guys even give these MSM phonies the time of day? Whether is Fox, MSNBC or CNN, they all work for the same masters, are extremely manipulative and intellectually dishonest, and none of them give a damn about any of us or anything moderately resembling the truth. Turn off your TV.
John Walsh
May 24th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Bravo, Justin!
You were dead right about Rand and Rachel both. Maddow's finest moment was when Air America Radio sacked her for daring to criticize the Dems. Since then it has been more or less downhill all the way.
And Rand's performance is sad indeed. I wonder what his father is saying. AT the very least Rand is not capable of speaking for the Libertarian movement. He is either unprincipled or incapable or both – and it really does not matter which.
john walsh
jack
May 24th, 2010 at 11:54 am
If you believe as you state that a business posting a no blacks allowed sign and policy would not be able to maintain a customer base, you don't know much about southern white americans. The problem would be that the same people would have to re-fight battles already won against the same people who would flock to do business in a white only establishment.
jojoos
May 24th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Wake-up Big Saps-The phonie libertarianism Pauls are being used to re-elect the Republicians back in office. Time to rid America of any party affiliation :^/
Neo-cons keep coming back–as/on the backs on libertarians http://inthesenewtimes.com/2010/01/24/the-neocons…
Dianne Foster
May 24th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
I'm a little surprised to hear Justin asking "What has the 1964 Civil Rights Act accomplished?" The implication is that such legislation, to be worth anything, should have produced the social change envisioned in the most grandiose fever dreams of its sponsors.
That there is still poverty in black communities and that many of the public schools are still effectively segregated and rated at the bottom of the heap, is true.
But that isn't the effect of the act. The nature of segregation, of de jure, and to large extent de facto segregation, was to constrain all races. Two members of the same band would have to find separate lodgings in the South. At Harlem's Cotton Club, Lena Horne could not use the bathroom that the white patrons could. Separate was never equal. Now there are different requirements on "public" accommodation as well as on truly public amenities.
I know there have been attempts to thwart the effect of the act, that there have been "disparate impact" ways of discriminating. I can think of one example of a post-segregation swimming pool in a public park which had been cheap to use when it was all white, but which was torn out in favor of a smaller pool, which was accessible only to those paying a hefty user fee. Thus a public park figured a way to keep big Mexican families from using its facility. It risked, of course, creating a certain white flight anyway, and also failed in its mission to be open to all (giving poor children a chance to learn to swim). Having seen this change in my hometown over a lifetime, I find it very sad. There is such a thing as social engineering by the right wing (my town is in Orange Co, Calif.), it just works with how you charge money for things.
I may dislike Rachel Maddow's approach, because I just don't like ambushes. I feel they make dialog impossible. In these times of flagrant government power grabs by both parties, we need to air a lot of views which highlight what the principles of our politicians actually are, so we can expose their premises. "Gotcha" doesn't do that.
Ron Johnson
May 24th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
There's been economic deregulation? Missed that one. I'm filling out more papers, paying more taxes, complying with more rules than ever.
Maybe you're talking about Wall Street. They've got plenty of regulations. In fact, they've got so many that the key players have got the market "rigged" with regulations so they can't lose.
Hacklheber
May 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
If I remember correctly, Justin didn't promote Obama as the "Great Messiah" but as the lesser of two evils.
oneselbow
May 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
"Personal nightmare": Now Justin knows how readers felt when he strongly advocated militarizing the Mexican border.
epppie
May 24th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Libertarians, it seems, are experiencing what Lefties have experienced; even when we manage to break through the barriers created by the political establishment with 'one of our own', they change their spots as soon as they get into the limelight. It's a frustrating process that is amazingly successful at breaking down dissent, causing frustration and even hopelessness that drive principled dissent out of political activism altogether. We need to understand how this process works, how our efforts to make dissent politically active and effective are blocked, and then subverted when they manage to break through. But to do this we need to be willing to appreciate 'conspiracy theory', and that is where the GateKeepers imbedded in dissent movements play their crucial role. They want us to believe that everything bad 'just happens'. That attitude only deepens frustration and hopelessness. After all, if the bad stuff just happens, it was meant to be.
epppie
May 24th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
What we truly need is to UNDERSTAND the mechanisms that thwart dissent, and that empower tiny elites to control the perceived and effective 'political mainstream'. We can never do that if we simply assume a priori, as the GateKeepers would have us do, that there are no mechanisms.
So now for sure you know the frustration that we feel on the Left. As soon as do we manage to get someone elected, they betray us. Libertarians for War are like Lefties for War. This is the sort of twisted beast we end up with.
It has been monstrous and sickening to watch the Libs defend their position at the top of the hill against all dissent by accusing ANYONE who criticizes them of racism. This technique was predictable, and has been used without mercy, without conscience, without regard for truth. When you consider that Ralph Nader was actually involved with the Civil Rights movement, the very movement that Libs like to flog everyone with, and HE TOO HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF RACISM, you get a picture of just how ruthless and mendacious the Libs are.
epppie
May 24th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Of course, civil rights legislation is defensible, absolutely. You must surely understand that when a business invites the public in, it makes itself more or less reliant on the power of the public order, on the government in some form, to protect it in various ways. When you open your lemonade stand and the thugs come to rob you, you need to be able to call the police. When you put the money you make in the bank, you need some system in place to prevent the bank from just saying 'mine'. You need some system in place to protect the integrity of whatever currency you are using. So on and so on and so on. Government creates and maintains the circumstances that make it possible for commerce to happen. When you invite the public in, the public protects you; it is only fair that ALL the public must be able to benefit.
epppie
May 24th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
On one hand, government creates the system, the market if you will, that makes it possible for commerce to happen. On the other hand, government has a responsibility to make sure that the resulting commerce is fair and benefits the whole community. Government often fails in this, and that is what leads us to our dissent, and our frustration. Let me give you just one example: we as Lefty Environmentalists have to watch the party we supported and helped build preside over possibly the greatest environmental disaster in history – how sick and demented is that? So maybe we would all be better off with anarchy, or some state of nature, or something. But that's really a whole other discussion, and would be quite a radical change.
epppie
May 24th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
So we do need to have Civil Rights laws. In that connection, programs like affirmative action can be thought of as a form of Reparations. Here again, how can anyone not see that reparations are just and necessary? Wealth IS passed from generation to generation. Studies show that wealth in black families in far, far less, and this surely shouldn't surprise us? Under slavery, and then under Jim Crow, and since the sixties under what now plainly can be seen as an informal but still virulent Jim Crow (and don't blame the South for it – the North is just as bad), the system has been heavily rigged against black people. Affirmative action has made some difference, but not enough. It will take more 'robust' reparations to truly make up some of the difference. These folks have been ripped off by our community for centuries and still are. There MUST be a re-balancing. That is PRECISELY where government plays an important role. It balances one interest against another, hopefully, ideally.
epppie
May 24th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
But, as we all know, what often happens is that one interest or another captures the levers of goverment power and then uses them to make the economic system more and more unequal. The dark secret is that the Libs have been the main group in control of the Anglo Empire on both sides of the Atlantic for perhaps two centuries now. Somehow they always manage to act like they are poor suffering victims, perpetually fighting for the rest of us against the wicked and evil Ancien Regime. Well the Ancien Regime may indeed be wicked and Evil, but so are the Libs. They still crow endlessly about their great achievements of the Sixties – civil rights, welfare, the peace movement , the liberation movements … virtually all of whcih they've managed to vitiate.
epppie
May 24th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Here's a nice example of how Libs pull it off: recently they've made massive political hay out of racial profiling in Arizona. Funny, though, how they don't seem to care about racial profiling on a truly massive scale in NYC, thier unofficial capital!!!! They scream constantly about regressive education laws and programs, but funny thing, they don't seem to care about Obama's regressive privatization of schools, which is geared to channel funds into the private domain, reduce educational standards, eliminate unions while reducing the number of black teachers (!), forcing the most vulnerable people in our society into McSchools. Libs talking about equality and justice are like neocons talking about democracy and freedom; you can safely assume that they mean the opposite to whatever they say.
andy
May 24th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
I'd say keeping open the option of nuking and killing thousands of innocent people to be rather evil imo.
FBastiat
May 24th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
From here:
We must point out that "discrimination" originally referred to the bias, not of individuals in their private dealings, but of government in its defense of the life, liberty, and property of all people (in other words: political equality). That's because Jim Crow was not a social custom but a political system.Here we come to the reality that the Left cannot face. Ever since the Sixties, the Left has spun the line that racism is the outgrowth of "capitalism." Without government controls, bigotry will germinate from every square inch of the open society. However, it is a theory of racism that is falsified by the practice of racism. Almost without exception, the history of racism is a history of statism, i.e., of government imposition of racism on society. From the American South to Nazi Germany to apartheid-era South Africa, it is government that (directly or through indifference) murders people because of their race, that establishes segregated economic and cultural institutions, that criminalizes interracial sexuality and marriage, and in general is responsible for almost every image that comes to mind when we speak of racism. If bigotry is the natural reflex of the social masses, why have racists always had to turn to the State to keep people of different races from teaching each other, hiring each other, marrying each other, and basically living together as members of the same society? Indeed, if there is an organic relationship between racism and capitalism, then history's greatest racist should also have been its greatest capitalist. Our textbooks would record how Adolf Hitler and his National Capitalist Party created the ultimate racist regime by implementing completely the libertarian free-market agenda: an unregulated economy, freedom of expression, freedom of sexuality, private education, open borders, equality before the law, anti-militarism, etc. Of course, actual National Socialist policy was the polar opposite on every point. Hitler chose totalitarian socialism (that is, total socialism) as the means to his racist end because he understood what every other racist has always understood: that mass bigotry is "socialist," not capitalist — statist, not societal — in nature. Our anti-discrimination laws were not a response to a history of market bias, but a deduction from the tenets of Leftist dogma, which now seeks to redeem the ideology of statism by placing the blame for bigotry on the American people. Thus, when a Michael Eric Dyson preaches that racism is "America's original sin," we must remember that the vision of a virtuous elite taking control of a villainous society that the Left brings to this issue, is the vision that the Left brings (and has always brought) to every issue.
Dave Parker
May 24th, 2010 at 7:14 am
Ambushed? Dude, you're delusional. You're retelling bears no resemblance to the thing itself.
I studied white supremacist groups in the state of Washington in grad school. It may surprise you to learn we've got plenty of KKKers right here in the "Pacific" Northwest. Racism is alive and kicking ass.
To make matters worse, you endorsed Pat Bufuckingchanan? How exceedingly narrow-minded of you. That does it for me and this site.
E. A. Costa
May 24th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Both Pauls are roughly Classic British Liberals, in the tradition of the Social Darwinists, whose forebears used the "law" to destroy the British peasantry by Enclosure.
In the process they destroyed "English" culture, and set the stage for the dissolution of both the traditional social structure and the warmongering Capitalist Imperialists.
In that process industrial Capitalism was transmogrified into Finance Capitalism.
And it is no coincidence that this was paralleled by the development of British Zionism, originally German, but later in its main international thrusts dependent on the British Imperialists.
Marco
May 24th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
I'm sorry, but running as a pure libertarian or non-interventionist will net 10% in the polls in Kentucky. Rand Paul is walking a very thin line to get elected, and I have confidence he will do the right thing once he is elected. Let's look at his lines:
"Iran having a nuke is a threat….to the stability of the middle east"
True, it could destabilize that region.
"Using nukes should not be taken off the table….because we shouldn't be revealing any of our cards when dealing with potential foreign threats"
True, when dealing with potential foreign threats, we should not reveal our defensive strategies.
This does not mean that Iran is a threat that we should nuke, although that is what neocons will hear. I say let's Con the neocons, as they have been conning us for so long.
Dennis
May 24th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Yes, Rand Paul has been disappointing to pure libertarians and paleoconservatives and yet, let's allow that he is a newbie to the political arena, flush with election eve hubris, he was sadly unprepared for the veteran griller Rachel Maddow. He does have ample time to recover and barring anymore insertions of foot in mouth disease he is still the likely winner in Republican Kentucky. The ultimate question for Raimondo and the rest of us is this; does the election of Rand Paul help our goals more than his opponents victory? There the answer is yes. Rand may be less than we would hope for but, he will be a voice against runaway spending, corporate cronyism, empire building and for a more sensible foreign policy. Far from his Dad but still better than the alternative.
liberranter
May 24th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Have you read/listened to Rand Paul's comments on Iran, Gitmo, etc. (hint: they're not comments any real libertarian would ever make)? Obviously not, or you wouldn't have asked that question.
liberranter
May 24th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Boortzian brand of liberventionism
Good one, Ira! That seems to be a spot-on description of Rand Paul's "libertarianism," to judge from his comments and platform during the Kentucky primary. BTW, has Boortz by any chance publicly endorsed Rand Paul (I wouldn't know, as I stopped listening to Boortz years ago, right after he came out in favor of intervention in Iraghanistan, thereby nullifying his "libertarian" credentials).
liberranter
May 24th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Actually, if such a thing were to happen, the economic fallout would be immense and would serve as a textbook lesson in why racism and segregation have ALWAYS had negative economic repercussions on those who have chosen to practice them. No, the economic fallout would not result from "boycotts" that would no doubt be organized by those whose political sensitivities would have been wounded to the quick. Rather, they would be the result of revenue and profit losses suffered by businesses, especially in the Deep South, that are already taking body blows due to the current recession. In other words, this would be the result of economically-illiterate bigots depriving themselves of an entire customer base. Quite honestly, I have a hard time believing that even the most racist redneck trying to keep his shop doors open would be stupid enough in times like these to turn away a paying customer (and yes, I've lived in the deepest parts of the Deep South and know of whence I speak). The only "color" any business owner these days cares about is GREEN!
Botha
May 24th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Never trust anyone named after a currency.
conumishu
May 24th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Unlike Obama, for instance, who violently rejected the nuclear option… (not!)… and won the Noble prize for peace. Sickening.
Libertarian = must be "holier" than Ghandi; all the rest can nuke anyone they like and still remain "consistent" with their "doctrine" and moralists beyond reproach.
An elected Rand Paul acting like any DemRep is no loss, not even of hope. But if he manages to be a tenth of his father he's worth supporting. A no risk gamble.
Peaceful_Idiot
May 24th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Good article. It's good to see Mr. Raimondo stand by his principles and not give Rand Paul a pass because he perceives him as a member of the tribe, or even worse, rationalize Rand Paul as the "Lesser Evil". After two year of listening to all the LOTE rationalizing wrt Obama's betrayals of the people that elected him, I was really glad to read this article confronting Rand Paul's contradictions instead of apologizing for them using the same pathetic "At least he isn't McCain" spin that the Obamabots resort to whenever they feel like they being moved into a corner.
This article does a good job articulating all the concerns I have with Rand Paul while also capturing how I feel about the progressive/liberal/etc. race-baiting and grandstanding that has been going on over the past week. They must have put out 10 articles a day on Salon vilifying Rand Paul, Racist. All the while there is maybe one article on Obama and pal BP's Gulf Gusher, and not a single peep about the 410-4 vote for $205 Million for welfare missiles for Israel, nor is there so much as a mousefart about pushing back the Iraq withdrawal. What a coincidence…
Thanks again for the article, Mr. Raimondo.
Paul H
May 24th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
that sums it up. One thing Rand has learned from watching his Dad is that in order to get farther in politics you have to become a "politician" and change as the winds dictate. Ron does not do that; Rand has ambitions. It will be interesting to see if he comes begging Ron's base for money again without explaining his positions.
Ike Hall
May 24th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Amen, brother. Druthers, you prolly ain't traveled down here much lately, but most folks are getting along just fine with each other, despite all them (you?) Damnyankees a-tryin' to stir the pot.
Ike Hall
May 24th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
While normally I would say that Rand Paul is likely playing the old political game with the good people of Kentucky ("If you can't take their money, drink their whiskey, screw their women, and vote against 'em anyway, you don't belong in the Legislature"), I must note Nietzsche's quote that "If you stare into the Abyss long enough, the Abyss stares back at you." The longer he, or any libertarian-leaning Republican, continues to mouth such platitudes in order to get elected, the more likely he or she is to come to believe them, particularly in an Imperial echo chamber.
donna
May 24th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
The idiot is also anti-abortion. So, I guess it's OK for some "libertarians" to support intervention in women's freedom of choice? You guys need to get a consistent view–either you're for state intervention or not, but don't make women the exception to the rule.
Tristan Dietz-Band
May 24th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
It is by-product of that ill-concieved union between paleoconservatives and libertarians.
Peaceful_Idiot
May 24th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Oh boy, another "Abortion trumps the Empire" grandstanding prioritizer. Folks like you, and your domestic priorities, aren't part of the problem or anything. Tell me, though, since Abortion is so paramount to deciding anything politically in the United States, did you have trouble sleeping at night thinking that George the Destroyer could attack Planned Parenthood at any time during his EIGHT YEARS on the throne? While you were busy not-worrying about the continued existence of Planned Parenthood between 2003 to the present, Iraqis have been worrying about whether or not they are going to get shredded by an American Freedom Bomb.
Maybe you can go over to Iraq and explain to the Iraqis how ending the destruction of their country just isn't as important to you as having convenient access to the services offered by Planned Parenthood? I'm sure they'll understand your priorities…
Jeremiah
May 24th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
I never took Rand Paul for a libertarian and I didn't care for the way he "reddened" his message regarding such matters as Gitmo and Afghanistan. But thinking he'd be preferable to the unabashed Neocon—less of a warmonger, less of a deficit-spender, less of an all-around statist—I voted for him.
I'm beginning to think this was a mistake.
His position on Iran is reprehensible—and, at this point, pretty much *unforgivable.* But that position is not altogether surprising, when one considers that he has already paid ritual obeisance to Israel: spectator.org/blog/2010/04/22/rand-paul-and-israel.
Hell, I may as well quit voting, pull up a comfortable chair, and wait for the coming collapse.
Strider55
May 24th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Perhaps a storekeeper does the math and realizes that black "customers" are committing nearly all the armed robberies, shoplifting ,etc., while driving other patrons away, and therefore excluding them would actually help the bottom line. A couple of real-life examples:
1. For years the annual football game between all-black colleges Florida A&M and Bethune-Cookman was played in Tampa. Merchants in the stadium area finally became fed up enough with the weekend-long crime wave to complain to city leaders; some shut their doors until the next Monday. Soon the organizers were asked to leave. Now the game is played in Orlando, and the crime has followed.
2. Even more rampant crime associated with the annual Black College Reunion in Daytona Beach forced dozens of area merchants to close down for the duration. Now the event is a tiny shadow of its former self.
BTW, don't libertarians consider private property rights the cornerstone of all others? If so, a store owner has every right to post a "No Blacks" sign in his window, just as a sports bar owner who despises the Green Bay Packers has the same right to post a "No Cheeseheads" sign. Let the free market decide whether such exclusion is profitable or not.
Also BTW, the Jim Crow laws were just that — laws, backed up with govt. coercion. In a true libertarian society, public (govt.) discrimination would be barred, while private discrimination would not be. Freedom of association must carry with it the freedom of non-association, or it is worthless. If you truly believe that people should be forced to associate with persons they'd rather not be around (for any reason), you are effectively advocating for the legalization of rape, which is the ultimate violation of the right of non-association.
Peaceful_Idiot
May 24th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
"EWWWWWWWWWWW" @spectator link…
Jeremiah
May 24th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Yeah. I nearly lost my lunch, too.
Peaceful_Idiot
May 24th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Someone must have some skeletons in his closet…. did AIPAC or Turkish agents lure Rand Paul to a bugged condo for a homosexual encounter?
http://dailypaul.com/node/130166
Peter Abbott
May 24th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
I was talking specifically about banking and Wall Street deregulation under Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II, including the repeal of Glass-Stegall. In fact, every phase of deregulation since Reagan has resulted in disaster. Savings & Loan deregulation led to S&L catastrophe; energy market deregulation sponsored in part by Enron led to … Enron!; and now Glass-Stegall repeal and other banking deregulation "reforms" led to the recent disaster.
I guess you did miss that one, and the other one, and, oh yeah, that third one too. I probably missed a few myself.
Rizzo
May 24th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
I think the main argument against the Paultards, and Rand in particular, is that apart from their hair crimes, they don't seem to be endowed with very much intelligence.
Joe Cesarone
May 24th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Hacklheber you're right, of course, I was unfair to attribute the "great messiah" thing to Justin…but when that column came out and I realized it wasn't satire, that he actually believed the Goldman Sachs-backed Obama genuinely represented a "generally pro-peace foreign policy stance"…I was dumbfounded. Rand Paul is far closer to the peace candidate ideal than O-bomb-ya, IMO…and I hope he gets a chance to prove me right.
Joe Cesarone
May 24th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
oneselbow, I'd forgotten about the Mexican border thing!
DavidSpero
May 24th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
In this piece, Justin is, as usual, more interested in attacking the "Left" than criticizing the government and the corporate powers behind it.
Mike D
May 25th, 2010 at 1:08 am
I found myself agreeing with the content of this article.
SoSueMe001
May 25th, 2010 at 1:16 am
I see I've stumbled onto a "I'm more libertarian than you are, nah nah nah nah nah nah" site. Y’all can keep on keeping on with zero elective successes or compromise, display some pragmatism and support the very best chance in the November mid-terms to make a down payment on sanity. This big L Libertarian is supporting Rand Paul as my next Senator from Kentucky.
You may now return to you pusillanimous power struggle…
MvGuy
May 25th, 2010 at 1:23 am
I'm with John… Rand Paul has made a neocon fool of himself and added to the fear and apprehension of those of us that wonder if ANY )erish politician can resist the seduction of free (as in (stolen) LAND…..taken without compensation as proscribed in the American Constitution] and THEIR hegemony from this stolen land OVER ALL the nations from Lebanon to India…!!!!! AND MOREOVER, THEY PLAN TO DO IT WITH AN IRON FIST POLICY…!!! Yeah, give NO QUARTER to your VICTIMES…. The nazi playbook, over and over and over AGAIN…!!!!! Cluster Bombs for Children in Lebanon… Soft core GENOCIDE of the Palestinians in Gaza and the "territories" South Africa style governance and rights for all…. the Chosen and their lowly wogs, their Palestinian victims…
Ollie
May 25th, 2010 at 1:48 am
Check out his statements on Israel, is there any real MEN/Women out there?
Robert Fallin
May 25th, 2010 at 1:52 am
First, Rand wants to keep open the Gitmo concentration camp. Then Rand says no one in Congress should dare question the commander-in-chief on troop deployments. Next Rand backs down on his original position on the 1964 Civil Rights Act, flattering Rachel Maddow, then insulting her. After that, Rand defends BP, when BP, with the help of the Coast Guard forces a CBS film crew to retreat IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS. Next, Rand's campaign manager says Rand would keep us in Iraq and Afghanistan "until we win." In other words, FOREVER. Finally, Rand touts his support for our "special" relationship with Israel, and pledges to oppose any sanctions against Israel, no matter how many crimes against humanity Israel commits. Rand is a spineless opportunist, trading on his father's name, then stabbing Ron Paul in the back. We don't need another big business-worshiping Senator from Israel. Rand Paul is a traitor to the cause of liberty, and I hope either the Libertarian or Constitution Party nominate a challenger. While Rand may be no worse than anyone else in the Senate, he is certainly no better.
V for Vendetta
May 25th, 2010 at 1:58 am
Do Americans really want to restore constitutional government, restore our god-given liberties, restore real property rights, restore sound money, restore a lasting prosperity, put an end to perpetual offensive wars, and put an end to America's brutal and growing police state? Then remember, remember, the election this November. Throw out of office all the encumbents in the House and Senate who are controlled by the fascist elities on Wall Street. Tell the New World Order banking elite that they can take their dreams of enslaving the American people under a tyrranical one-world government and go straight to hell. We're Americans; our fathers were born free and were born free; and free we shall always remain. The only choice for every true American will always be this: "give me liberty or give me death."
D. Saul Weiner
May 25th, 2010 at 2:25 am
Oui oui, Monsieur Bastiat
Mhstahl
May 25th, 2010 at 2:28 am
Not to mention Rand's ridiculous, anti-freedom, anti-individual, and likely meriting the racist title, stance on immigration….oh wait.
I still donated, though. :)
tz1
May 25th, 2010 at 2:55 am
The mexican drug lords are a 4th generation warfare army and are attacking people in arizona at a low level.
The border is already militarized, but we aren't defending it. You might not care to have the national guard, but they would have been better in New Orleans after Katrina rather than Blackwater.
I was and am suspicious of the younger Paul, but anyone is capable of repentance and redemption.
tz1
May 25th, 2010 at 3:06 am
This is as much a vain hope as the pro-lifers and fiscal conservatives had in Bush Jr. or that the progressives had in Obama.
Another weathervane who will be swayed by every lobbyist or media wind is not worth supporting.
I would prefer someone where at least I know where he stood – either support civil rights or don't support nuking Iran or not.
If he has no foundation he will not hold when in office.
He can regain trust, but he must take sides instead of trying to be on all
tz1
May 25th, 2010 at 3:21 am
Ought the states have the right to make abortion legal or illegal as it was pre roe?
And please get the state out of the way. Then I could act to prevent the initiation of force against the unborn person without worrying about the state trying to stop me.
The woman has the right to her body. The child is a discrete and different person and has a right to his or her body.
But I don't think women should be anything but the property of men. Either they don't understand where babies come from no matter how many times it is explained, or they are incapable of acting on that knowledge so as not to get pregnant no more than a housepet. Either way they are chattel.
Or assuming they have the full use of reason and free will, they have full responsibility for how they use their body and for any consequences including generating a new life which is uniquely dependant.
Or for better arguments, see l4l.org.
Anti_republocrat
May 25th, 2010 at 5:20 am
Excellent points. There is no such thing as a "free market." Markets are always regulated one way or another, through law, custom or such concepts as honor. Society, culture and yes law determine the nature of property and ownership. I'm reminded of the scene in "Dances with Wolves" when Costner wants to reclaim his hat from a Dakota who had found it and thought it abandoned. The whole concept of exclusive ownership was foreign to the Dakota. During Argentina's recent recovery, workers were allowed to squat in abandoned factories, mix their labor with that capital and produce usable products for sale. It is law that allows inheritance. Corporations were originally government chartered cartels, a restraint on free trade. That's why a bunch of tea ended up in Boston Harbor. Current right-libertarians seem not to understand that corporations are the enemy every bit as much as government. In America today, they are the same.
guest_clearvision
May 25th, 2010 at 6:07 am
Does anyone use an Almanac? There are 71.9Million Iranians, which is 2 1/2 times the population of Iraq. Obama's Iraq pullout deadline is not happening. Are we supposed to give Democrats seven more year grace period? Rand got ambushed by hysteric Maddock, with some old 1964 reference. Like the establishment GOP, Democrats are living in the past. Mr Raimando's highlighted Bill O'Reilly interview of Rand, starts off with "Iran, Iran, a very major threat to the United States". Rand is then supposed to respond. Well, diehard antiwar.com readers knows that LIARS have to repeat, and emphasize cause joe-sixpack knows Iran is no threat. Yet, that is what is pushed in the other Media ad nausium. Rand is trying to win an election. 3/4's of the GOP are not on RON Paul's side unless you have a experienced, orator like RON tell it. (Listen to LImbaugh deny there is even a thing as a NEOCONSERVATIVE). But, America knows something is wrong, its just the Obama drug with the fake-peace prize stupor has not worn off yet.
guest_clearthinking
May 25th, 2010 at 6:31 am
Mr Raimondo, how are you going to MORPH a experienced wise statesman and orator, that has been in the House of Representatives for years) into his son (who has never held office)? People have to work with what they have got. Keep your worst fears (like maybe a Neoconservative Co-op of Rand Paul). It will keep us all clearheaded. Let him be a 'constitutional conservative' for now. It will be a 1 out of 100 of the Senators in power (which is more potential power than his father has). Its not Nirvana, but its a hell of better than what we, the USA, has. We sure will not get it from the Huffington Post , odd view quote (Stephen Harrington), who talks about Libertarians being not up to our modern foreign entanglements. Yet, it looks like the Obama team just thinks sanctions are not war, but just a strategy. Maybe the Neo-cons profit from their poison while the current administration burrows us deeper in failure.
Wait a minute....
May 25th, 2010 at 7:01 am
I see nothing unlibertarian about refusing to take the use nuclear arms off of the table. It was a mistake when Obama did it, and a mistake when Carter did it before him.
As Nixon pointed out in his memoirs, how do you negotiate with an adversary when you've already conceded all of your negotiable positions? Even if you aren't planning to use nuclear weapons, why would you advertise that to your opponent in advance of negotiations? It's giving away something for nothing.
anon
May 25th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Yeah, all that Jim Crow and "whites only" stuff in the '50's and '60's was just a figment of everyone's imaginations. Afterall, there couldn't possibly be any economic incentive to run off all of the negroes and spics when 9/10s of your customers are racist whites! (sarcasm)
If, however, you are claiming that decades of liberal social engineering have eliminated institutional racism in the south, well, that doesn't really make your case, either.
anon
May 25th, 2010 at 8:54 am
"It is obvious that libertarianism is NOT a tenable political philosophy among Kentucky's electorate"
As if it is tenable ANYWHERE. Heck, his daddy only gets sent back over and over because he piles on the pork for his district in bills that he votes against. Neocons dominate and will continue to dominate on the right because they appeal to what most Americans (especially conservatives) secretly believe – that in order for America to prosper, we must take from others.
anon
May 25th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Being from a confederate state I see the racism issue as being alive and well, every time the news reports someone getting shot by 20 cops for reaching for his wallet or someone getting dragged to death behind a pickup and then being dumped like garbage in front of the black cemetery. Perhaps if more "libertarians" spent more time in the real world and less in Ayn Rand's fantasy universe, they'd see that we live in a world of imperfect men where some people need protection from the others. Is "I've got mine, screw you" really the basis for a civil, prosperous and peaceful society?
anon
May 25th, 2010 at 9:15 am
"That's because Jim Crow was not a social custom but a political system"
"..implemented by the votes and representatives of southern Whites" is the end of that sentence.
Or is racism only expressed through the political system in the novel you read?
anon
May 25th, 2010 at 9:18 am
"I'm sorry, but running as a pure liberal or non-imperialist will net 10% in the polls in America. Barack Obama is walking a very thin line to get elected, and I have confidence he will do the right thing once he is elected."
-me in 2008
anon
May 25th, 2010 at 9:22 am
"The woman has the right to her body. The child is a discrete and different person and has a right to his or her body. "
Sure, if you consider a blob of cells to be a "child". Hence, the controversy. It's cute how you pretend everything is so cut and dried, though. :) I hope that l4l.org has better arguments, cuz yours are kinda crappy..
Prinzowhales
May 25th, 2010 at 9:24 am
I'm not going to blame Maddow for Paul's ineptitude. I pulled the Paul sticker off the car–the betrayal of the search for truth regarding 9-11 by the Paul the Elder has long stuck in my craw and this performance by the Younger…his apologetics for BP and the dithering around with a simple question regardint the Civil Rights Bill were the final straws for me…Cynthia McKinney is the only one of the candidates from the last election that has shown steadfast integrity…opposing the war, opposing the apartheid regime in Tel Aviv and standing up for Americans who work for a living as opposed to the sons of the Silver Spoon who sit around country clubs and regurgitate the pablum of the Reagan years
anon
May 25th, 2010 at 9:24 am
"display some pragmatism and support the very best chance in the November mid-terms to make a down payment on sanity"
Ask your liberal friends how well selling out their principles to get a guy elected worked out for them.
anon
May 25th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Because incinerating millions of innocents for the unspeakable crime of being born in the wrong country is, um, WRONG?
Is basic human morality no longer permitted in "serious" politics?
Druthers
May 25th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Sorry to disappoint you but I am not a damn yankee. I was born and raised in the South as were my ancestors since 1623. I have, however, always detested the smug brutal racists that I knew, saw and listened to from childhood on and I think they are still prospering and spreading their hate. It is done in more underhanded ways than in the past but they are raising their ugly heads again because most are frustrated and ignorant, if not in education in humanity.
I hope I am wrong and that the young generations will change all that but now that the economic situation is so similar to that of the 1930s' the bible belt brimstoners are marauding again and hate is an emotion so easly aroused.
When the Romans freed their slaves they mingled into the population they became free men and were unnoticed The difference in the South was that the slaves were black so their ex-status was the color of their skin. I think if we were color-blind there would be no problem other than the ones that regularly send humans at each other's throats – What violent creatures we are!
Mike
May 25th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Ah yes. You disagree with one article and its bye bye? Who is narrow minded again? Good riddance.
Mike
May 25th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
I'm quite fortunate that my mother did not view me as a "blob of cells." Taking this view I would have been murdered quite some time ago. A baby does not simply appear out of thin air.
anon
May 25th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
If that's how you feel, then you must spend all day mourning all those poor dead babies in the bottom of your sock drawer.
By the way, I just tricked you into dropping your pretense that you give a crap about the rights of the breathing, speaking, thinking, voting woman, in question. Yet another typical libertard who thinks government has no right telling him what to do but every right to impose his private, personal moral code on everyone else. I wonder how many unwanted bastards you've adopted? I'd bet the farm it's NONE.
malleusmaleficarum
May 25th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Rand Paul is useless. It is time – not merely to toss him aside – but to work vigorously against his election. Rand Paul is a non-entity, a second George W. Bush, an incompetent who skates by on his name – a fortunate son. Delete him from the US body politic by voting against him in Kentucky.
Jeremiah
May 25th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Libertarianism is a pretty diverse ideological category, but Rand Paul isn't a libertarian of *any* stripe. Increasingly, he doesn't even seem like a good pragmatic compromise (which is what I once considered him). In fact, he sounds more and more like another neocon every day. Or rather he sounds like another unprincipled trimmer, willing to say anything in order to win place and power within the imperial capital. It certainly sounds like Kristol et al. may have found another empty "Tea Party" figurehead with whom they might continue "neoconning" the credulous masses.
Of course, I guess I'm somewhat out of touch with "big L" Libertarianism, of which you claim to be an adherent. Has their platform changed that drastically? Are they for "Israel First" and nuking the Persians now? And have they changed their tune about the *warfare* part of the state—and about the non-aggression principle? Doesn't sound very "big L" OR "little l" to me . . . but what would I know?
Dianne Foster
May 25th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
While I am not sure that the purpose of government regulation of commerce is to make sure that it "benefits the whole community" (that would open a huge can of envy-driven tapeworms and layabouts who want to coast on another's hard work, as in Eastern Europe, finally resulting in a population which lives in a state of lethargy), it definitely is the role of government to prevent wholesale environmental damage and danger to the populations of humans and nature. That BP can get the Coast Guard to work for it, policing the seashore (with the Coast Guard admitting they are shutting down the beaches on the order of BP) has been shown on a You-Tube that has gone viral.
I don't know all the details about BP's obligation to pay royalties for its extraction of oil, if in fact it was within our economic zone or how that law of the sea problem works, but if indeed BP sought to minimize its liability for royalties, thus deliberately misreporting the initial spill, then their crime should be punished. It has lost us time. But it has also exposed the intimate connections between corporations and government. When they are one, it has a name: fascism. I would think that ours in a unique form of multifocal corporatism, however, which makes it seem less powerful that the all-powerful Leviathan it really is.
liberranter
May 25th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
BTW, don't libertarians consider private property rights the cornerstone of all others? If so, a store owner has every right to post a "No Blacks" sign in his window, just as a sports bar owner who despises the Green Bay Packers has the same right to post a "No Cheeseheads" sign. Let the free market decide whether such exclusion is profitable or not.
Concur 100 percent. The intent of my original post was to emphasize that a repeal of government-enforced "integration" in the form of current Civil Rights Laws would not automatically result in the across-the-board reappearance of Jim Crow-era segregation or exclusion practices. You do, however, make a good point with your examples. Just as no business owner should be FORCED to discriminate on the basis of race (or any other factor), neither should they be forced to serve all comers. In any case, there will ALWAYS be alternatives as long as even a shred of a market economy remains. If, hypothetically speaking, Walmart in Jackson, Mississippi decided to ban Blacks for its stores, then I'm sure Target, KMart, or other franchises would happily pick up the slack, and probably offer greatly discounted prices to accommodate the influx of new customers. Their gain would immediately be Walmart's very noticeable loss.
liberranter
May 25th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Somebody has some serious emotional issues here.
FBastiat
May 25th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Thank you for your interest.
Yes, there were indeed those who would have discriminated in their own private business dealings. But why did they have to turn to government TO FORCE OTHERS to discriminate?
From a book that details how Progressives politically instituted "institutional racism":
But in a market free from Jim Crow regulations, other businesses would have welcomed blacks, or at least black dollars, forcing racist enterprises to bear the full cost of excluding or mistreating all those potential paying customers. (This was one of the chief reasons the segregationists pushed for those laws in the first place.) The state, in the eloquent words of the historian C. Vann Woodward, granted “free rein and the majesty of the law to mass aggressions that might otherwise have been curbed, blunted, or deflected.”
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MooseOfReason
May 26th, 2010 at 6:11 am
If you're going to talk about Rand Paul's comment about BP, quote him.
For instance, he wasn't even talking about Obama. He specifically said "administration", and he was talking about Salazar's "boot on the neck" quote. To say otherwise is dishonest.
Alan
June 1st, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Sure, they could raise some customers, though nowhere near as many as otherwise. Besides which, they would then be exposed for what they are, which makes it easier for decent folk to avoid them. In contrast, companies playing fair would be enthusiastically greeted by the bulk of the public. Don't forget it was segregations LAWS that were dropped; you cannot change mindsets by proclamation.
Alan
June 1st, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Libertarians are extremely aware of corporate welfare and outright fascism in America today. Your stated truths are somewhat fluffy, for they ignore the primary concept behind free markets, which is the non-aggression principle. Law has its place – but only as defense against the aggressive (including contract breakers).
Cortes
June 9th, 2010 at 4:21 am
as if you actually understand why Ron votes on those bills, it's because cutting earmarks won't cut any actual spending at all. This is yet another red herring against Ron. Do you really think Texas voters support him for including earmarks that are less than two percent of the entire budget?
MoT
October 11th, 2010 at 8:26 am
Reply to an old post but this reminds me of the smoking bans enacted upon business. Now the last time I recall nobody had a gun to their head forcing them into ANY restaurant or tavern, or else! But our "leaders" love to point one at anyone who disobeys their diktats. I believe anyone has the freedom to go elsewhere or even start their very own business that caters to their crowd…. ditto the employees.
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