Dianne Feinstein: War Profiteer
Why a San Francisco Democrat is one of the biggest warmongers around
President Barack Obama barely had time to graciously note his unworthiness of the Nobel Peace Prize before it was time to duck back into the Situation Room for a meeting with his advisers about how to win the war in Afghanistan. The irony of this is underscored by the apparent willingness of the administration to consider the addition of as many as 60,000 more troops, per Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s request, to the occupation forces.
The Taliban has regrouped and is in clear control of much of the country. Not only that, but the Afghan "government," which was never very credible to begin with, has lost any vestige of legitimacy it may once have possessed on account of the brazen theft of the presidential election by fashion plate Hamid Karzai. Not that this matters much in concrete terms, as Karzai’s kingdom is limited to Kabul and the immediate vicinity.
To prevent Operation Enduring Freedom from turning into an enduring embarrassment, Gen. McChrystal and the regional commander, Gen. David Petraeus, have both recommended an Afghan variant of the Iraqi "surge." The military’s new counterinsurgency doctrine – COIN – has been revamped and refined, and the Pentagon is counting on this newly minted wisdom to roll back the Taliban and regain the initiative in what is widely seen as a losing war. What prevents this surge from occurring, however, is the one determinative factor in the making of U.S. foreign policy – and, indeed, all foreign policy that has ever been made anywhere – and that is domestic politics.
The pressures on Obama and his administration to pursue what is artfully termed a "minimalist" approach to the Afghan war are considerable: within his own party, a substantial (albeit not too principled) anti-interventionist wing is balking at McChrystal’s call for escalation, and the polls support their reluctance. For the first time since 9/11, a majority of Americans think the Afghan war isn’t worth fighting. Democrats, who are just now getting used to enjoying their congressional majority, were put in power in large part because of the war weariness of American voters, and they don’t want to do anything to endanger that if they don’t have to.
Moreover, the economic arguments against escalation are irrefutable: we simply don’t have the money. The tremendous drain on our resources necessitated by the Iraq and Afghan conflicts – measured in trillions, not billions – may be the coup de grace for a U.S. economy already in marked decline. Add to this the cost of President Obama’s extensive domestic "reform" package, including a substantial government investment in the healthcare industry, and we are suddenly revisiting that old 1960s dilemma: "guns vs. butter." This dichotomy, you’ll recall, plagued another Democratic president with fanciful visions of generous domestic spending programs: Lyndon Baines Johnson. That Johnson was driven from office by antiwar protesters and the left wing of his own party is a bit of political history that haunts today’s Democratic leaders – or, at least, the smart ones.
Given these political and economic arguments against expanding the Afghan war, what could possibly persuade the administration to take McChrystal’s advice? It seems like a no-brainer – and it is, if it’s the interests of the country that we’re talking about. Unfortunately, there’s another factor that could prove ultimately decisive, and that is the all-pervasive power and influence of the War Party.
The unpopularity of Obama’s war is a problem, but hardly an insoluble one for the president and his crew. After all, he’s just had the Nobel Peace Prize conferred on him, so he’s inoculated – if only temporarily – against the accusation that he’s a warmonger. Stacked up against George W. Bush, Obama comes off like the reincarnation of Gandhi – and that’s what will really blunt the political impact of taking McChrystal’s road to perdition, if the White House so chooses. Because if the Obamaites pursue the path of escalation, there is only the perpetually ineffective and easily intimidated left wing of his party to answer to, and where else do those folks have to go?
While a few Republicans may wise up and start echoing Ron Paul’s call to bring the troops home, the supposedly reflexive anti-Obama stance of the GOP stops at the water’s edge. If anything, the Republicans are looking to pounce on the president if he doesn’t jump into the Afghan quagmire with as much alacrity as they’d like. I can just hear Newt Gingrich and the other worn-out relics of the GOP’s glorious yesteryears braying: "Who lost Afghanistan?" (Not that this will have much political effect on the Republicans’ sagging fortunes when most Americans are asking "Who lost America?")
The interventionist monopoly on the leadership of the two state-supported major parties isn’t the only enabling factor involved in ramping up the Afghan war. There is also the rising power of the imperial class to contend with – that is, the growing economic and political clout wielded by sectors of the U.S. economy dependent on military contracts and the direct links between lawmakers and "private" companies that profit from war. A particularly brazen example of the latter is Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California and formerly the mayor of what is generally regarded as the most liberal city in the United States. This past weekend she hit the Sunday talk show circuit to grouse:
"I don’t know how you put somebody in who was as crackerjack as General McChrystal, who gives the president very solid recommendations, and not take those recommendations if you’re not going to pull out.
"If you don’t want to take the recommendations, then you – you – you put your people in such jeopardy, just like the base in Nuristan. We lost eight of our men. We didn’t have the ability to defend them, and now the base is closing, and effectively we’re – we’re retreating away from it. And so I think the decision has to be made sooner, rather than later."
What were those eight men doing out in the middle of that godforsaken hell to begin with – and who put them there? It’s breathtaking to hear Feinstein blaming Obama for the deaths of those soldiers. I’m no Obama cultist, as the record makes clear, but that has got to be a new low in demagoguery, even for a woman who used a political assassination to catapult herself into the media spotlight, the mayoralty, and the U.S. Senate.
Feinstein plugged the nation-building strategic doctrine now being pushed by the Pentagon’s best and brightest, as well as the Democratic "national security" crowd over at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS), where the theoreticians of COIN hold court. The timeframe of this strategy went unmentioned by the senator, but it is measured in decades. Also unmentioned: the costs, not only in lives but in tax dollars.
Feinstein has personal knowledge of those expenditures, not only as former chairwoman and ranking member of the Senate’s Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee (2001-2005), but also as the spouse of one of the biggest war profiteers in the business. Reporting in one of our excellent local northern California papers, The Bohemian (yes, as in Bohemian Grove), Peter Byrne notes:
"Feinstein supervised the appropriation of billions of dollars a year for specific military construction projects. Two defense contractors whose interests were largely controlled by her husband, financier Richard C. Blum, benefited from decisions made by Feinstein as leader of this powerful subcommittee.
"Each year, MILCON’s members decide which military construction projects will be funded from a roster proposed by the Department of Defense. Contracts to build these specific projects are subsequently awarded to such major defense contractors as Halliburton, Fluor, Parsons, Louis Berger, URS Corporation, and Perini Corporation. From 1997 through the end of 2005, with Feinstein’s knowledge, Blum was a majority owner of both URS Corp. and Perini Corp."
Blum and Feinstein are laughing all the way to the bank as URS Corp and Perini grow fat on the military appropriations gravy train – the only sector of the U.S. economy that seems to be thriving. Perini, in which Blum owns a controlling interest, is the Democrats’ Halliburton – indeed, Cheney’s old corporate digs is Perini’s chief competitor. Blum bought it when it was nearly broke in 1997. In 2005, Feinstein’s membership on the subcommittee was "routinely" rotated, as the Soros-funded shills over at Media Matters made sure to point out, contrary to Byrne’s assertions that she might have resigned under pressure. By that time Perini was raking in $1.7 billion in annual income.
The infrastructure-intensive warfare championed by McChrystal and the COIN crowd is precisely the strategic framework that will enrich the Perini/URS military-industrial combine. All those bases stuck out in the middle of nowhere that Feinstein wants to construct and defend will need to be built, supplied, reinforced, and regularly maintained. This is a job tailor-made for the Blum/Feinstein war profiteers and all the other politically connected firms that feed at the public trough.
Do we even have to inquire any further into Feinstein’s motivation for expanding this futile and unwinnable war?
The economic and political interests that feed the Democratic Party machine and enable it to hand out the goods to its loyal activists are just as invested in a foreign policy of perpetual war as those who routinely support the Republicans. In the particularly egregious case of Feinstein, her personal and financial interests are directly linked to the policy of global intervention – and this is emblematic of a larger problem with the two major parties, both of which are in thrall to corporate interests. That’s why we don’t get to choose between war and peace, only between Halliburton and Perini.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013
- Carla del Ponte’s Faux Pas – May 7th, 2013





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Jeff Albertson
October 12th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Brazen for sure. I wish Chomsky the linguist could explain the sub-textual meaning of her statement
"I don’t know how you put somebody in who was as crackerjack as General McChrystal, who gives the president very solid recommendations, and not take those recommendations if you’re not going to pull out…"
She (brilliantly) starts by narrowing the terms of debate to things she knows. She is not trying to be a smartypants, just a simple country girl deferring to the smart man ("crackerjack"? Shirley Temple?)
who says we should commit or lose, and maybe lose anyway. The first "you" is hypothetical although she can only be talking about the president, but then speaks about the president directly while praising McCrystal, so it's not clear who the loser is, who is going to "pull out".
All the pols talk like that, because logic and clarity are so "divisive" and none of us are any smarter than another. One would almost suspect they really are as stupid as they seem, but they are not. The rest of us? I'm afraid so.
damocles
October 12th, 2009 at 8:16 am
I watched her Sunday interview. Right after arguing for McCrystal's escalation plan she said, for some unknown reason, "The US cannot continue to be the world's policeman".
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Carol
October 12th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
I was completely disgusted with Feinstein's remarks on This Week with George Stephanopoulos. She is one of my senators, and I wrote to her about my displeasure. I hope the other one (Boxer) isn't on the same page as Feinstein! I find, though, that they often take positions to balance the other one out – almost as if they're doing it on purpose. The result seems to be the status quo – no change.
I was thinking while watching the show that she and Chambliss are whores for military dollars. It's completely disgusting that they would take this position with our economy in total shambles, and with Congress trying to actually do something for THIS country, rather than for the rest of the world. Can't we PLEASE give up this role of world caretaker??
Alan MacDonald
October 12th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Great article Justin!
Here’s how the Afghanistan ‘Graveyard of Empires’ can go from Division Champs to the World Series of Empire Death:
1. "Taliban, (are) a militant religious, anti-Communist movement of Pashtun tribesmen"
2. "Taliban are the sons of the U.S.-backed mujahidin who defeated the Soviets in the 1980s"
3. "The Pashtun tribes want to end foreign occupation and drive out the Afghan Communists, who now dominate the U.S.-installed Kabul regime."
But today, the Pashtun / Taliban, and (surprisingly) the Russian people have something tellingly in common —- they both previously overcame the Soviet EMPIRE, which acted as a monopoly of military power under the banner of 'communism'.
The Pashtun – Taliban kicked the Soviet EMPIRE's ass in the late 1980s, the East German people broke down the Soviet EMPIRE's wall in 1989, and the Russian people finally defeated the Soviet EMPIRE's claim of a 'monopoly on power' in the name of 'communism' in 1991.
But today, the real 'monopoly on power' in the world is not the next-to-the-last-to-go Soviet Empire's claimed communism, but the real global 'monopoly on power' exercised by the ‘last EMPIRE standing’ on earth — the disguised and guileful ruling-elite's corporate/financial EMPIRE, which controls ‘our’ country by hiding behind the facade of its two-party 'Vichy' sham of democracy — and which is rightly called "Corporate Communism" by Dylan Ratigan, as he shouts out publicly on national MSNBC TV (if GE doesn't fire him).
Unfortunately, neither the Pashtun, Taliban, German people, Russian people or any other people will likely be able to revolt against this new and insidious form of global 'monopoly on power’ — the EMPIRE of ‘Corporate Communism’.
This 21st century disguised EMPIRE is nominally headquartered in ‘our’ country (although it has satellite ruling-elites in countries such as the U.K., Israel, and others).
No, only the American people, with our slight remnants of political influence can take on this world-girding political-economic EMPIRE of “Corporate Communism”, which has already employed its financial and economic monopoly to weaken our political rights and take over our government by bribing, subverting, and hollowing-out our Constitutional rights of real democracy.
Just read this history of the fall of the next-to-the-last Empire, the Soviet ‘communist’ Empire, and see if it does not ring true about the disguised ruling-elite corporate/financial EMPIRE of “Corporate Communism” in our midst today — the last EMPIRE on Earth:
“The Soviet Union's collapse into independent nations began early in 1985.[dubious – discuss] After years of Soviet military buildup at the expense of domestic development, economic growth was at a standstill. Failed attempts at reform, a stagnant economy, and war in Afghanistan led to a general feeling of discontent, especially[citation needed] in the Baltic republics and Eastern Europe. Greater political and social freedoms, instituted by the last Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, created an atmosphere of open criticism of the Moscow regime. The dramatic drop of the price of oil in 1985 and 1986, and consequent lack of foreign exchange reserves in following years to purchase grain profoundly influenced actions of the Soviet leadership.[1]
Several Soviet Socialist Republics began resisting central control, and increasing democratization led to a weakening of the central government. The USSR's trade gap progressively emptied the coffers of the union, leading to eventual bankruptcy. The Soviet Union finally collapsed in 1991 when Boris Yeltsin seized power in the aftermath of a failed coup that had attempted to topple reform-minded Gorbachev.”
Summary from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Sovie…
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Grace Baldwin-Wilson
October 13th, 2009 at 1:20 am
Another example of how criminals use our government as a front to run their subsidy rackets through.
Underneath the party rhetoric, Feinstein – and war profiteers like her – aren't loyal to any ideology or cause. They are big phonies who'll say whatever it takes to play the game.
It's all about the greenbacks, baby.
Justin Raimondo always says it for me.
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RedSwissKnife
October 13th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Ok Mr. Raimondo what will you say when we unilaterally pull out of Afghanistan and some of the jihadis follow us back home to continue THEIR war? Remember that guy who got arrested in NYC recently? He trained in an Al-Qaeda camp along the Af-Pak border.
By the way was the U.S. occupying Iraq or Afghanistan before 9/11?
Funny that some here mention the Soviet humiliation in Afghanistan. Did you forget that Russia is having serious problems with militant Islam on their soil (North Caucasus) today? How did pulling out in defeat work out for them huh?
Mr. Raimondo isn't advocating and end to the war. He's advocating a U.S. defeat and retreat while the JIHAD continues.
RedSwissKnife
October 13th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
And don't whine about how much we spend on the Pentagon. 70% of the Federal budget is spent on welfare programs. You think the war is unsustainable? What about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and now a Public Health Insurance?
Henry_Clemens
October 13th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Mr. Raimondo has written an excellent article. Since the end of WWII, the American people have been gradually losing their liberties, their property rights and their prosperity, due principally to the tyrannical actions of a Federal Government that is now totally controlled by corporate America (The American Ruling Establishment). Corporate America is now in complete control of the two major political parties. The Democratic and Republican parties are corrupt from top to bottom. The Federal Government is totally corrupt and cannot be reformed. In order to restore our liberties, property rights and prosperity, secession may be the only viable choice left to us. "The principle for which we contend (the right of political self-determination) is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form" – Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America. I don't think he totally realized, at the time he uttered those words, just how phophetic that statement would be. It is time to rid ourselves of the yoke of tyranny. Sic Semper Tyrannis!
RedSwissKnife
October 14th, 2009 at 3:15 am
Are you sure that you didn't swallow some propaganda yourself? I would take libertarians a lot more seriously if so many of them weren't anti-Semites and not so clueless on national security.
I see that nobody here has debunked what I said earlier and btw the Islamist insurgency in Russia today is a great example of what happens when you pull out when your Jihadi enemy is NOT totally defeated and demoralized. That's what Mr. Raimondo is advocating here.
May I suggest some reading material for you and Mr. Raimondo:
http://www.jihadwatch.org
http://www.memri.org
http://www.pmw.org.il
jackbootstate
October 14th, 2009 at 5:03 am
Hey, don't worry, our liberal imperialist friends over in Britain are going to be helping out with Obama's Afghan Crusade:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12554707945558335…
It's time to celebrate Obama's Nobel Peace Prize, so hopefully the rest of the gang over in Europe will follow Britain's lead in helping Saint Obama "liberate" the poor people of Afghanistan (While the Feinstein's and Blum's of this world get rich off of this Crusade).
Henry_Clemens
October 13th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
To RedSwissKnife: I really feel sorry for you. You have swallowed the American Ruling Establishment's (you know; the political-military-corporate-industrial-banking gang of liars, thieves and murderers who love war for the money and power it brings them) propaganda; hook, line and sinker. It is the American Ruling Establishment that is the greatest threat to the American people, not Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. It is the Ruling Establishment that is systematically destroying our liberties, our security, our prosperity and the economy. May I recommend some serious reading for you? You need to read some articles written by Michael Gaddy over at lewrockwell.com. Mr. Gaddy will give you the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth concerning the real reasons for the conflicts in the Middle East. Just go to lewrockwell.com and search on his name. Oh, by the way, did I mention that Mr. Gaddy is an Army veteran of Vietnam, Grenada, and Beirut? God be with you RSK; I wish you well.
Jeremiah
October 16th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
I guess the Jihadists are kind of like Antaeus, and the rugged ranges of Afghanistan are like their mother earth. If they can't touch her, they're powerless. And they're *totally* impotent when it comes to plotting and planning elsewhere—say, for instance, in a humble apartment in Germany or the US. Nope, if we blow the hell out of Af—and maybe Pak, too—these big bad terrorists will never again follow us home like mad, mad puppies. Never. Brilliant logic.
By the way, your employment of that old chestnut of an open discussion-stopper—the anti-semitism smear—was equally brilliant. Yep, libertarians love a pogrom, classical liberals can't abide a Jew. That's part of the reason they love guys like Rothbard and Mises.
And for your additional information, any problems with Islamic insurgency in the North Caucasus cannot be understood outside of the context of two centuries of Russian imperialism in the region; it is just another aspect of a long series of Chechen rebellions against Russian rule. Your facile and a-historical explanation reflects the sort of puerile "logic" our masters expect of us. It also implicitly reflects the sort of ethical decay one must undergo—the sort of inhumanity one must embrace—to be a cheerleader for empire. I refer to your call for the "enemy [to be] totally defeated and demoralized." Is this phrase not redolent of smoldering villages and freshly salted fields? Well, the indiscriminate reaping and predation from on high is at least a start, right?
The welfare state seems to bother you a bit. Haven't you figured out that the welfare state and warfare state are two faces of the same beast? Why, butter and guns go together like AIPAC and Congress! Methinks you need a bit of honing, Knife!
On another, tangentially related note, is it just me—and forgive me if I've fallen somewhat out of the loop here—or were the Iraq and Afghan wars intended all along as preludes to a pincer invasion of Iran? Whew! It's enough to keep a feller (red-blooded parrot . . . uh . . . *patriots* like Knife aside) awake of nights!
RedSwissKnife
October 17th, 2009 at 3:14 am
The Soviet defeat in Afghanistan emboldened Islamic fanatics worldwide. That's a historical fact. In fact as soon as the Afghan communist regime was overthrown in April 1992 many of the jihadis went to fight in Bosnia and in Kashmir. These are the facts. Funny that you should mention how some 9/11 hijackers lived in Germany. Way to miss the obvious point.
Where did they get an idea that they can defeat a superpower?
As for anti-Semitism, just read some of the comments from other people here replying to Raimondo's articles? Read Raimondo's insane 9/11 conspiracy article. He thinks the Israeli Mossad had a role in the attacks.
No, not ALL libertarians are rabid anti-Semites but a lot of the "anti-war"/9-11 Truther types are. That's why even if I agree with them on 90% of domestic economic issues I will never consider myself to be a libertarian.
Finally, your comments about the Chechen war show you know little to nothing about the subject. Newsflash for you: half of the terrorists at the Beslan school weren't even Chechens. Some of them were Arabs.
RedSwissKnife
October 17th, 2009 at 5:05 am
"It also implicitly reflects the sort of ethical decay one must undergo—the sort of inhumanity one must embrace—to be a cheerleader for empire. I refer to your call for the "enemy [to be] totally defeated and demoralized." Is this phrase not redolent of smoldering villages and freshly salted fields?"
That's exactly how Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were defeated genius. War is hell. It's terrifying to imagine how the world would look like today if people like you were in charge during 1939 – 1945.
RedSwissKnife
October 17th, 2009 at 5:11 am
To clarify what you got wrong in your comments about the Chechen war.
Arguing that Russian imperialism in the 19th century explains a war that began in 1994 makes about as much sense as arguing that U.S. wars with Native Americans in the 19th century would explain a Native American insurgency/terrorism campaign today in the 21st century.
It's idiotic.
Jeremiah
October 17th, 2009 at 6:22 am
According to the latest estimate, two (2) were definitively identified as Arabs. The majority appear to have belonged to other ethnic groups living in Russian-controlled territory. If we are to believe the late Chechen militant leader Shamil Salmanovich Basayev—and I see no reason to find him less credible than the Russian government (which initially underestimated the overall number of attackers and overestimated the number of Arabs involved)—the single largest group of attackers (14) were Chechen; the second most represented group (9) were Ingush—another North Caucasian ethnic group closely related to the Chechens. To be fair, I don't believe a final consensus has been reached on the precise number and identities of the Beslan attackers.
Of course, even if a plurality of the attackers *had* been Arabs, this would not change the fact that the Beslan attack did not occur in a regional historical vacuum. Some random Islamists didn't get together one day and say, "Wow, we really kicked some infidel ass in Afghanistan. I feel emboldened. Let's go wage jihad in Chechnya." Without that long history of Russian-Soviet imperialism in the region, you wouldn't have this insurgency. And without the history of western imperialist meddling elsewhere in the Muslim world, it wouldn't have acquired anything of a global Islamist/Jihadist flavor. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was itself an imperial war—and they weren't the only imperial meddlers present. Where, for instance, do you think the mujaheddin were getting those nice Stinger missiles that they deployed to great effect against Soviet Hind gunships? (Hint: they sure as heck weren't being made in workshops in the Khyber pass.) In short, I simply don't see how expanding yet another failed imperial military venture in the region is supposed to improve anything (there or—what's of greater concern to me—*here*).
But, according to you, the key to everything is Af-Pak. We apparently just have to do what the Soviets should have done in the first place by "winning"—by making sure our vague and rather amorphous militant foes are "totally defeated and demoralized"—and everything will be rosy. They won't "follow us home" ever again. But what does this entail, Knife? Just who is the enemy? How do you propose to demoralize and definitively defeat them? Kill everything that moves? Scorch the earth? Even then, do you think there will be no consequences? No *blowback*? Does the key to putting the damper on Islamic militant attacks against the United States simply depend on upping the body count *in Af-Pak*? But perhaps we shouldn't stop there. What about those Iranians, for instance? Come to think of it, maybe we ought to have a Perpetual War Against Terror—kind of a contemporary take on Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace? That sounds great, doesn't it? After all, an *imperial state* at *perpetual war* always prospers, and its citizens, ever secure in their liberties, are never made to bear a heavy yoke in the name of an illusory "security." Now, who can argue with that?
In summation, you're not making a whole heck of a lot of sense, Knife. Maybe you need to explain your brilliant Af-Pak strategy in greater detail. Don't miss any obvious points, now!
Also, I don't recall Justin Raimondo ever asserting that the Mossad was *directly* involved in the 9/11 attacks. To my knowledge, he has merely pointed to some suspicious goings-on around that time (e.g., the Israeli "Art Students" and the "High-Fivers"), and suggested that the Israelis knew a good deal more about the impending attacks than they were willing to share. And do you really equate criticism of the state of Israel or its agents with antisemitism? If so, you must have missed my crack about AIPAC—or you most certainly would have dubbed me antisemitic. (Go ahead, if it will make you feel better.)
Oh, so it's now the "Truthers" who have ruined libertarianism for you? That's a pity. I'm sure they could use a few more statist warmongers in their ranks. They'll really miss out on your rigorous logic and broad learning, too.
Jeremiah
October 16th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
So Pashtuns and other Kalashnikov-toting folk in Central Asia = Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?
Scattered Networks of Islamic Militants = Nazi German and Imperial Japan?
Me? Genius? Thanks for the compliment, pally!
Jeremiah
October 17th, 2009 at 6:49 am
It wouldn't *entirely* explain such a hypothetical Native American insurgency—but neither would it be unrelated.
Russia has faced a number of rebellions in the Caucasus—including several times in the twentieth century. Do you think all of this is unrelated to Beslan? Was the Soviet War in Afghanistan really the *sole cause* of Beslan? If so, would you care to justify the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the first place? What do you think of US support of the mujaheddin at that time?
Jeremiah
October 17th, 2009 at 6:50 am
To clarify: I meant, specifically, the *North Caucasus.*
Jeremiah
October 17th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Wait, are you saying that the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan *caused* 9/11? Correct me if I'm misreading you—but that seems to be what you're saying. If so, that's some pretty tenuous causation there, Knifey. You might need a good stroke or two on the old whetstone.
RedSwissKnife
October 18th, 2009 at 3:08 am
Most mainstream historians agree, the precedent set by the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan led to 9/11. It was a great psychological victory for Islamic fundamentalists.
You still didn't answer this simple question. Where did Bin Ladin and Zawahiri get the idea that they can defeat a superpower?
RedSwissKnife
October 18th, 2009 at 3:15 am
As for the U.S. support for the mujahadeen, it was a bad idea. But keep in mind that in the 1980's nobody really expected the mujahadeen to win and nobody could imagine that the USSR would collapse.
RedSwissKnife
October 18th, 2009 at 3:30 am
The Taliban currently has over 20,000 full-time, active duty fighters. That's hardly a "Scattered Networks of Islamic Militants".
And if the "Pashtuns and other Kalashnikov-toting folk in Central Asia" are giving the Taliban men, supplies, aid, and comfort we need to deal with them the same way we dealt with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. We need to defeat them.
What will it take to convince them to stop fighting? Perhaps eliminating the opium production and making them more dependent on the regime in Kabul.
Jeremiah
October 18th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Just who are "most historians"? If you're going to employ the argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy, let's have some citations. All this aside, you still haven't established causation. Indeed, *tenuous* is an understatement here. You've pointed to something that without a doubt upped the morale of militant Islamic fundamentalists, but you fail to explain *why* the United States would be a target. (Were they "jealous of our freedoms" or something?)
By the way, the core of bin Laden's grand plan for victory is baiting the US into hastening its economic suicide —-and the corrupt and incompetent masters our nearly bankrupt, former republic are doing a splendid job of aiding him. We'll be going the way of the Soviet Union before we know it. And yeah, hardly anyone *did* see that one coming. And Afghanistan didn't do them any favors on that front either, did it?
You still haven't explained your grand plan for the Af-Pak front—or for the "War on Terror" (or whatever the hell they're calling it in Obama-speak now) in toto. Indeed, you didn't really answer *any* of my questions. I've had enough empty interventionist/Neo-Con talking points: give me some REAL, SUBSTANTIVE answers. You seem to claim expertise in the realm of history and national security—so it shouldn't be a great problem for you.
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Jeremiah
October 19th, 2009 at 5:27 am
The Taliban movement, while by no means savory, has been predominately insular in its outlook. Don't conflate them (either by mistake or for the sake of bolstering your rickety arguments) with al-Qaeda and other global jihadists.
That being said, to compare either the Taliban or al-Qaeda and their ilk with these two powerful and expansive authoritarian *STATES* is a gross absurdity. As for the "deal[ing] with them the same way" bit: is this just your coy way of saying you'd like to fire-bomb and nuke Afghanistan?
Eliminate opium? Yep, wars on drugs—much like past and ongoing wars on terror, poverty and other choice bogeys—tend to work very well, don't they? As for the corrupt and impotent "regime in Kabul," it's a joke, and a rather unfunny one at that.