Discussing any issue very much depends on the starting point. I have been experiencing a huge disconnect relating to what has taken place in Egypt. The usual talking heads, inside the beltway edition, are already opining over what the United States must do to deal with the "Egypt problem." Apart from the conceit that it is up to Washington to "do something," operating under the assumption that anyone will even listen to President Obama, one has to ask what are the interests that can plausibly be construed as vital to the United States. Apart from the usual concern for how Israel might be viewing developments, I can’t find any, and in that context, I can do nothing but welcome enthusiastically the overthrow of President Hosni Mubarak and his eventual replacement by a freely elected government.
Examine for a moment some of what passes for thoughtful analysis in Washington. Steve Clemons of The Washington Note describes how "Mubarak’s Egypt was a longstanding American ally that cooperated with the United States on a long list of issues, ranging from combating terrorism to assisting US military operations in the Middle East to helping secure shipping lanes to facilitating Arab-Israeli negotiations. The tectonic shift going on in Egypt, and in the broader Middle East, may have dramatic effects on the future price of oil, the extent of American regional influence, Israeli security, and a host of other key questions."
Sounds good, doesn’t it, and it includes one of those real comfort words, "tectonic." But if you look at the issues raised separately, first of all Egypt is not an ally of the United States in any real sense. It just has some converging interests lubricated by $1.5 billion in annual military aid from Washington that is given solely to sustain the peace treaty with Israel. As far as I can tell, the cooperation on terrorism has been good but selective and most notable for engagement in the rendition program, in which suspects were snatched by CIA teams and sent to Egypt for "questioning." Assisting US military operations in the Middle East? The US has no bases in Egypt. Is Steve referring to Desert Storm? That was a long time ago. Securing shipping lanes likewise…does he mean the Suez Canal? The Suez Canal is a major source of income for whatever form of government emerges in Egypt and it will be open. Facilitating Arab-Israeli negotiations must mean that Cairo has permitted negotiations to take place on Egyptian soil, but they could just as easily be held somewhere else.
And then there are the downside issues cited by Clemons. The price of oil would only be influenced if the Suez Canal were to be permanently closed, which is far from likely, and even if it were to happen, shipments of oil could use alternative routes. American regional influence only matters if one assumes that such influence is necessary for some good reason and I for one can’t imagine what that might be. And then there is Israeli security, the proverbial six hundred pound gorilla in the room as US concern for Egypt appears to really be all about Israel. It is difficult to imagine that Egypt has any intention to go to war with Israel again. No one is calling for that. Hopefully, the new government will ease the Israeli imposed blockade of Gaza, and if they do, that is for the best. Sure, it’s comforting to have a bunch of dictators at your beck and call doing what Washington and Tel Aviv think best, and a transition to popular rule will produce bumps along the way as it has in Eastern Europe, but no one in his right mind could ever think that the status quo in the Middle East was sustainable. Nor did it really benefit either the United States or Israel.
Switching over to the Washington Post front page, one finds the same jumping off point. Scott’s Wilson’s article "Resignation opens vacuum where ally stood," which describes the changes in Egypt presenting "as much peril as promise." Per Wilson, Obama has been "managing a volatile political standoff that paralyzed a regional ally." Now he must ensure that the generals "carry out the political and legal changes necessary to guarantee fair elections later this year." Excuse me Scott, but I did not detect much managing of a standoff by the White House and I don’t think anyone else but you saw it either. And why is it incumbent on Obama to ensure anything in the next few months? The choices have to be made by the Egyptians and the White House would be best advised to wish them well, get out of the way, and let them get on with it. If they ask for help, give it to them with no strings attached. If they do not, leave them alone. Try to remember that when outgoing President Mubarak sought to get popular support for his staying in office the one thing he cited in his televised address was his anger at outsiders interfering in his country’s politics. It was a comment that he knew would resonate, even if it wasn’t enough to save his government. Obama should pay attention and not step into that trap.
The argument about how America’s pundits and politicians are shaping the discussion on Egypt is critically important because Egypt might only be the first of a number of states that could seek regime change from autocracy to at least some form of popular mandate. If the United States decides that it has no vital interests at stake justifying interfering in that process it will be welcomed by many while serving as a benign enabler of change. If it goes the other way and decides it has to shape and guide what is developing there will only be trouble and bad feeling all around. So too the argument about the possible role of the Muslim Brotherhood is a fool’s game. Come down heavy, and Washington will virtually guarantee a bad result. Letting the Egyptians decide who they want to speak for them is ultimately a much saner course to follow. If the Brotherhood emerges as the leading party, which is by no means certain, it will have to govern, meaning that it will need to work on fixing the crony capitalism economy, find jobs for the people, and feed, clothe, and house 80 million Egyptians. It will have its hands full and making mischief in Sinai or anywhere else will not be on the agenda.
Ron Paul put it best, as he so often does, when he commented that the current US policy in the Middle East has been a complete failure because it rests on a premise of interference in other peoples’ affairs. Propping up dictators in return for stability and predictability is a bad bargain and, as he put it, "we need to do a lot less a lot sooner." America’s intervention in the politics of an entire region to create an ultimately unstable balance of power has always been a policy waiting to fail. President Obama would be best advised to follow the advice proffered in George Washington’s Farewell Address: "Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct. And can it be that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period a great nation to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence." Stirring words and sentiments that speak to the heart and soul. How far we have wandered from our Founders.
Read more by Philip Giraldi
- Terrorizing Through Lawfare – May 23rd, 2012
- House Passes Stealth Legislation – May 16th, 2012
- A Tipping Point for Israel – May 9th, 2012
- Ron Paul Gets One Wrong – May 2nd, 2012
- Washington Felons Fret Over Hanky-Panky in Cartagena – April 25th, 2012





Die Wahrheit zählt
February 17th, 2011 at 2:22 am
Phil,
I agree with the general thrust of your argument, but would mention 2 points.
Firstly, the blockade of Gaza does not need to be eased, it needs to be smashed. What has befallen the Palestinian population since 1948 is an outrage, and the Mubarak government played a vital role in their suppression.
Secondly, I agree that the US should stay out of Egyptian affairs, and that it's all about Israel (= AIPAC), however, I, and I'm sure no one else, believes that the US will keep it's nose out of it. It can't help but interfere.
Grüße,
17.2.11
geo1671
February 17th, 2011 at 5:27 am
I read last week an article that just maybe this middle east revolt was intentionally planned by the west (NATO) andIsrael. Weaken the revolting countries and while disorganized start the air bombing invasion. Main target Iran–once uncontrolled violence errupts–hell will break loose. Just as USA/UK/France/Israel took part in the 6day war. Lately ,Iran citizens have not taken the bait.
bogi666
February 17th, 2011 at 6:08 am
The USG has a co-dependent relationship with Israel, making Israel's problems our problems. Israel is the addict in this case and like a true co-dependent the USG enables Israel's land addiction. Co-dependency is a mental, emotional, spiritual disease and the USG is diseased.
Good Luck
February 17th, 2011 at 6:27 am
Did Someone Lose Egypt? Who lost the Philippines when 'people power' removed Marcos? And did anything change? The US base was forced to close and there are regular elections and changes of power.
Pepper Di
February 17th, 2011 at 6:30 am
Philip Giraldi for secretary of state.
Bodkin
February 17th, 2011 at 6:41 am
"It is difficult to imagine that Egypt has any intention to go to war with Israel again. No one is calling for that."
Shockingly dishonest comment. Many protestors were "calling for that", Muslim Brotherhood types for years have been "calling for that", El-Baradei equivocated on Egypt's commitment to the peace treaty, and there are elements in the military who are hostile enough to Israel that one would be moronic not to consider that they very well might be "calling for that" should an opportunity present itself.
Giraldi talks a lot about not interfering in other nations' affairs, but he has no problem with a sustained campaign to mislead the public into thinking that Israel has no Egyptian enemy to fear. Even though such misinformation could be a disaster for the region and the world, THAT kind of interference Giraldi has no qualms about.
freshnotbitter
February 17th, 2011 at 6:44 am
"…if the Brotherhood emerges as the leading party…."
I've been trying to spread the idea around that Egypt could leap ahead of other countries and organize an election on the web based on individuals running instead of parties.
So, the Brotherhood, as a party, is exactly what? A group formed to fight for the principle that others should follow the Brotherhoods way of life. What exactly does that have to do with democracy?
A group of individuals elected to a people's congress in Cairo could proceed in such manner as they decide and, besides, they already have the check of an executive in place, the Army. It would seem foolish to pass laws the Army did not assent to since the Army would simply not enforce the law and the congress would lose legitimacy. On the other hand, the people's army could hardly refuse to enforce popular laws.
Introduce political parties into the formula and you have slow, sure rot in progress.
Bodkin
February 17th, 2011 at 6:49 am
"It (the MB) will have its hands full and making mischief in Sinai or anywhere else will not be on the agenda."
Again, what a disingenuous statement. Who is Giraldi to permanently erase anti-Israel agitation from the MB's agenda? This is a group nurtured by the Nazis!
Hamas itself is an offshoot of the MB, and Hamas has ALREADY started "making mischief in Sinai". Again, Giraldi wants Israel to let its guard down, and for Americans to turn away while the region burns, despite the fateful consequences. And yet he has the audacity to claim he opposes any interference in the affairs of nations. This article highlights Giraldi's irresponsible (and sinister) approach to foreign affairs. The Carter-Giraldi school of thought ("the MB is no threat") is intentionally myopic and misleading.
"How far we have wandered from our Founders."
Yeah, I guess emancipating the slaves was a move in the wrong direction (the founders owned hundreds). There's been great progress made in many ways since those early days, and yet there's no shortage of pedants who use ancient quotes as weapons to berate their political opponents.
liveload
February 17th, 2011 at 8:17 am
"How far we have wandered from our Founders."
Indeed, to the point where quoting them gets you the label of extremist.
It's amazing to me that Ron Paul's views are seen as some anachronistic form of extremism. It's almost like the liberals are trying to paint the founding principles of our nation as some form of fundamentalism and therefore illegitimate.
liberranter
February 17th, 2011 at 9:13 am
Obama should pay attention and not step into that trap[of interfering in Egypt's internal affairs].
Obama, a powerless sock puppet like all who have ever preceded him and all who will ever succeed him, will do whatever his Rothschild/Rockefeller/Bilderberger, et al. handlers tell him to do, which will surely be to interfere as much as possible in Egyptian affairs to guarantee the "correct" outcome.
RickR30
February 17th, 2011 at 9:25 am
We should also be mindful in light of the events in Egypt that Mubarak stayed in power because the Egyptians let him and they let us participate in that power. This revolution could have happened in principle at any point. The msm likes to discuss Egypt and all players (+israel and the US) and ignores the Egyptian people altogether. As if the revolution didn't happen. As if the revolution wasn't a rejection of USraeli interference. The future of Egypt will not be decided by Baruch Obama, by bubu, or the moronic neocons, etc. That is not so say that all these bozos aren't working hard behind the scenes to rig the upcoming election or to sabotage the process in some other way. That Egyptian military council must be getting phone calls non-stop from israel and the US. Baruch&bubu must be planning every possible action up to invasion, but not letting things alone. It's tough being Caeser and baby caesar in the case of bubu since every little thing that happens in the empire will give you nightmares and panic attacks
Wally
February 17th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Great insight into a complex, evolving scenario
charley caruso
February 17th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Phil: Do you really expect 'a freely elected govt in Egypt'?
With NED and all those folks running arnd with their pockets full of shekels?
The U.S. will do what it has always done: pick some punk and give him a few million dollars and when he wins the 'election' we'll call him president and invite him to have tea in the Rose Garden and maybe kiss the American flag, like Duarte did a few years back (ugh)
Randall
February 17th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Dear Mr. Giraldi,
You say that Egypt is not needed for US security.
Is ANY country in the world needed by the US for its security?
Your former employer, the CIA, has since it was formed been stationed all over the world.
Was THAT necessary for US security?
Should US soldiers and security personnel be stationed anywhere outside the US?
Should the US be selling weapons to any country?
I would like to know just how far you are willing to go with your philosophy.
Phil Giraldi
February 17th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Randall – I am willing to go nearly all the way – unless someone is a direct and unambiguous threat against us, I think we should leave everyone alone!
andy
February 17th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
"How far we have wandered from our Founders."
This to me is the real and greatest sadness. What might have been. How different America would be today if only we hadn't abandoned the non-interventionist foreign policy our founding fathers wanted for us.
andy
February 17th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Absolutely Phil.
andy
February 17th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
1) Canada and Mexico. 2) Absolutely no. 3) NO! 4) Also no!
My "philosophy" is that we should avoid any entanglements that are not absolutely necessary.
Attacking Spain in 1898 and America's barbaric supression of Filipinos in 1902-03 did not meet this criteria for example. Neither did dropping bombs on Serbia for 78 days in 1999. I could provide a million other cases but I am rather tired right now.
David4Peace
February 17th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
I"m sorry. You're blaming "the liberals" for this? Like Dick Cheney style "liberals"?
Liveload
February 17th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
We have two basic varieties of the same basic theme in mainstream political parties. They all add to the size, expense, and power of the State beyond what they were bound to by the Constitution. Their policies are unsustainable. I personally label them Security Liberals and Social Liberals, for obvious reasons. That's the way I view it as an actual liberty loving conservative.
Generalissimo X
February 17th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
what is your point your aipac adl schill? your precious israel gets 3 billion a year from good ol' uncle sam…fight your own battles and stop playing the victim. and how or why would any american care what happens in israel or egypt for that matter? it's not our hemisphere, not our fight…you're a big boy now, fight your own battles which you seem happy to do, especially when it involves murdering palestinians in gaza or any who would help them. you made your bed with war and aggression now sleep in it. OR actually get it together and learn how to live with your neighbors…shocking concept for the chosen ones.
you bodkin, just like israel should just go away.
Generalissimo X
February 17th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
weh weh we're in trouble..it's everyone else's fault..we're victims..we just murder children with phospherous and steal land with illegal settlements and people hate us?! shocking.
you reap what you sow pal…
israel provides no resources or use to america unless one counts the corporate pigs who profit from arming it. the MB is no threat to america and never will be. NEVER. i'm sure if egypt attacks israel the great baby killing idf will stop them with the help of uncle sam.
Bodkin
February 17th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
"you bodkin, just like israel should just go away"
Boo hoo! So sad, but you'll be stuck with BOTH of us for quite some time!
Now, to answer your pig-ignorant bleatings: "why would any american care what happens in israel or egypt for that matter?"
What happens in the Middle East AFFECTS people all over the world, including "our hemisphere", whether you like it or not (re: energy sources, trade routes, spread of radicalism, major world religions, precious historical artifacts, travel destinations, etc). Geez, I thought you'd at least be able to figure THAT one out! Guess I overestimated your basic perceptual abilities.
Then again, you probably sign your name "X", which would explain a lot…
Bodkin
February 17th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Looks like I keep yanking your chain!
You still don't get it. The MB is a threat to American interests IF IT DESTABILIZES THE MIDDLE EAST.
But according to YOUR myopic approach, if an entity poses no DIRECT threat to you, it's not a threat at all. Brilliant! Just ignore all the INDIRECT threats and watch what happens in this interconnected global village of ours.
foodoo
February 18th, 2011 at 8:13 am
"(re: energy sources, trade routes, spread of radicalism, major world religions, precious historical artifacts, travel destinations, etc)."
The most important things you mention are energy and trade routes.
Those are two things in which Israel certainly plays no (beneficial) role.
The other issues are quaint, but insignificant…. You might as well
be blathering that Israel has nice beaches and arcades.
Generalissimo X
February 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am
that whole reigon can be unstable and america will survive. in fact, if it werern't for israel we'd be able to get along fine, just like we have with turkey. the only people threatened by "instability" a nice word for arab determination, is israel. this country has survived far worse than any arab nation could inflict upon it. MB..give me a break…and yeah people like you and your insipidness are the reason my great republic is falling to ruin. you're scum and history will recognize you as such.
as pat buchanan and others are writing on this site, the middle east belongs to the arabs and plenty of us real americans are fine with that. once they have a leader let us know and we'll be happy to conduct fair trade. they hate israel, well that's their business not ours.
Bodkin
February 18th, 2011 at 11:22 am
<that whole reigon can be unstable and america will survive> Not everyone would be as quick to risk total economic meltdown and nuclear terrorism.
<"instability" a nice word for arab determination> No, it's a nice word for sharia-obsessed jihadist lunatics wreaking havoc all over the place. Ever heard of the Sunni-Shia conflict? Islam vs. Copts? Lebanese civil war? Taliban? Al-Quaida? Muslim vs. Hindu? Blowing up Madrid because it was once Muslim territory? Israel isn't the only issue. You're an ignorant monomaniac.
Bodkin
February 18th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Speak for yourself. Angry, know-nothing hatemongers like you aren’t the reason the USA is a “great republic.”
Who the hell is a boor like you to determine who it’s for? It’s the birthplace of other religions besides Mohammed’s. It’s the site of historical artifacts which Arabs had nothing to do with, like the pyramids. It’s populated by Jews, Maronites, Kurds, Turks, Druze, Azeris, Baluchis, Persians, Copts, Bedouins, Eritreans, etc. It’s a huge region and it doesn’t “belong” to one specific tribe chosen by some uninformed idiot sitting at his computer.
(Comment edited due to anti-semitic undertones.)
liberranter
February 18th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
I'm sorry. Do you see the word "liberals" anywhere in andy's post?
GradyWilson
February 18th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
This is a bogus talking point. The founders expected for their new country to expand westward to the Pacific, and into Cuba and Mexico. Try telling the native Americans and the African slaves that the founders were "non-interventionists". This country was built on empire and exploitation along with hollow words of liberty for all.
This is the disconnect which befuddles Giraldi. He's always talking about how (in this case) Egypt is not an asset to the US. Of course not its a huge financial liability to most of us but its a cash cow to the ruling elite who run the country and enjoy the booty of empire.
Bodkin
February 18th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
"(Comment edited due to anti-semitic undertones.)"
Are the moderators into practical jokes? Or have you lost your minds? I'm practically the only one here who rails AGAINST expressions of antisemitism. All you did was remove remarks made by the previous poster, not by me. You didn't remove "antisemitic undertones", you removed someone else's words which should be included so as to understand what part of his post I was responding to.
Are you guys drunk? Is there a part of THIS post you plan to edit for imaginary undertones, too?
I've seen two hundred bazillion antisemitic posts on this site, and you choose MINE to edit for "antisemitic undertones"??? Is this what you people do for laughs?
eric siverson
February 20th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Israel is the fault of evreything , we get along just fine with Turkey , As long as we don't mention the Armenians . The Armenian Hallowcast never happend . Has not Turkey Anounced there is only Islam ,Not radical Islam , or moderate Islam but only Islam . What does that mean to us ? United States believes the Egyptian brotherhood is mostly secular . So how could it be that 97 percent of Egyptian women have had thier clorituses cut . If its not the Egyptian brotherhood that is religious? do you believe the women done this to themselves ?
Nigel
February 20th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Unbelievable arrogance of the Zionists. You consisting manage to put Israeli interests ahead of the US and don't worry, the Zionist tick will no longer suck on the US.
Nigel
February 20th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Pulling facts from thin air…..what an idea. A great way to make your point.
Carpenter
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:12 am
Yep. The American taxpayers are forced to give their money to puppets all across Eastern Europe, Central Asia and the Middle East, to manipulate elections and keep tyrants in power.
For that, the American taxpayers not only get poorer, they also earn the hatred of the whole world.
But that doesn't matter, does it? Because the controlled countries will make nice with Israel and allow the Palestinian genocide. And aid in isolating Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, or whoever else is on the list. Just look at Georgia: a U.S.-paid "youth organization" overthrew the democratically elected president, and installed another. The media were controlled, the country was flooded by U.S.-paid propaganda, and the new regime stays in power "democratically." The army is trained by Mossad and the CIA, and they harbor U.S. drones ready to be used for bombing Iran should the order be given.
Sweet democracy.