Readers of my articles will know that I am extremely pessimistic about the prospects for peace in the Middle East. I do not believe for a second that the leaders of Israel actually consider Iran to be an "existential" threat but the fact that they have cried wolf so often has convinced the Israeli public that it is so. Worse still, Israel’s friends in the US have convinced the American public of the same thing even though Iran does not threaten the United States at all. Relying on a complaisant media that has fully embraced the fabricated narrative of fanatical Mullahs brandishing nuclear weapons shortly before handing them over to al-Qaeda, a majority of Americans now believes that Iran must be dealt with by force and that it already has a nuclear weapon. As in the case in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, the fictitious threat has taken on an ominous reality because the lie has been repeated often enough to appear to be truth.
I believe several things must be understood in relationship to the likely formula for initiation of such a conflict. First, in spite of the increasingly bellicose language coming from Robert Gates and Hillary Clinton, I do not believe that the Obama Administration wants a war. On the contrary, I believe that the language is designed to convince Tel Aviv that the US is getting tough with Iran to preempt any possible military action. The principal advocates of war in the United States are not in the White House. They continue to belong to the Israeli lobby as given voice through its acolytes in Congress and the media.
Second, the Israeli government having sold the "existential threat" fiction does want a war, but its options are limited. It knows it can only do temporary damage to Iran and wants the United States to do the heavy lifting. That will require contriving a situation that will bring about US entry into the conflict, otherwise an Israeli attack will have only limited value, possibly slowing down Iran’s nuclear program but not stopping it while also guaranteeing that the Mullahs will make the political decision to develop a weapon.
Third, Washington has no real ability to put pressure on Israel as the White House has already made clear that it will not cut aid to Tel Aviv and will continue to use its veto to protect Israel in international fora like the United Nations.
Fourth, once the shooting begins, even if Israel starts it, both Congress and the media will demand that Washington intervene to support brave little democracy Israel. One can be sure that on the day after Tel Aviv starts a conflict Congress will overwhelmingly pass a motion approving the Israeli action and also calling on the White House to have American forces join in. The Washington Post, FOX news, and The New York Times will be beside themselves with joy.
Putting the four premises together, what does it all mean? It means that Israel will seek to start a conflict with Iran and pull the United States in. It will ignore any US calls for restraint and will attack the Mullahs with or without a pretext, whether or not Iran remains in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty regime (which I believe it will), and whether or not Tehran does anything aggressive. In the lead-up to such an attack, Israel will intensify its propaganda efforts and is quite prepared to lie to make a case against Iran and its friends in the Middle East region. The recent total fabrication of a case that Syria had given Scud missiles to Hezbollah is a case in point. Israel sees everyone in the region as an enemy or a potential enemy and it works very hard to make Washington see things the same way. Once the fighting starts, Washington will inevitably be drawn in with Congress and the mainstream media cheerleading the process.
So let us assume that Israel will attack Iran. After all, it is a win-win situation for them in that they will demonstrate once again to the Muslim world that they are not to be trifled with and will leave the serious fighting to the United States. I believe they will attack Iran by the shortest route, which is over Iraqi airspace. Iraqi airspace is controlled by the United States Air Force, which would undoubtedly be under orders not to shoot down the Israeli planes lest Obama find himself facing a furious AIPAC, Congress, and the press immediately thereafter. A shoot down order is just not possible given Congressional democrats’ fear of how Jewish political donors would react, not to mention the danger that the usual voices in the media would turn against the Obama administration on the eve of the midterm elections. Unless the Iranians were to react in an extremely restrained fashion, they would consider the US complicit in the attack due to the passage over Iraq and their retaliation would bring Washington into the war, which is precisely what Israel expects to happen.
The only joker in the deck for Israel is the possible unintended consequences. If the war were to go badly, with Iran, for example, using its Chinese supplied cruise missiles to sink a US aircraft carrier, the role of Israel in starting the conflict might well be challenged by many in the US, so many that even the media and Congress would have to take notice. But Israel probably considers that a remote possibility given the huge military advantage that the United States enjoys over Iran so they likely believe it to be it a risk worth taking. Also, one must consider that the hard right Israeli government of Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu is not necessarily a rational player that will weigh up all the pluses and minuses. Netanyahu is driven by racism, intellectual arrogance, and a belief that he can control events in the United States, all of which will be part of his decision making.
Which leads to the question of timing. There has been some talk in the media that Israel would likely "do something" by November. Why that date is being selected is not completely clear, but I believe it will be sooner and this is why: as noted above, the United States controls Iraqi airspace currently. But that control will be ceded to the Iraqi government in August when the US presence in Iraq is due to be reduced to a "garrison non-combatant" level of 60,000 soldiers and airmen. At that point, the US Air Force will no longer have autonomous authority to engage in Iraqi airspace, but the Iraqi government will be empowered to request US assistance to do so. Imagine for a moment what it would do to US credibility in the Arab world if Baghdad were to ask the US to help defend its airspace against an Israeli incursion and the US were to refuse to do so. So I think the Israelis will make their move before August. They want to entangle the United States into fighting on their behalf but they will not necessarily want to humiliate Obama while doing so.
So what can Obama do to stop this? There has been some speculation that he might send a private emissary to Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu with the message that the United States does not support an Israeli attack and that Washington will both denounce the action and not back Tel Aviv. I believe that Obama has already told Netanyahu both privately and through diplomatic channels that the US opposes military action but the Israeli government no doubt regards such a warning as toothless, particularly as both Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton have asserted that Israel has a right to make its own security decisions. Any move to punish or pressure the Israelis would be blocked by Congress, so the Obama warning can be brushed off. The only option that I believe would actually work is for Obama to go public preemptively on the issue and proclaim that there is no casus belli with Iran, that any Israeli attack will not be supported by the United States and that furthermore the United States will take the lead in condemning such an act in the United Nations and in all other appropriate international fora. Is that likely to happen? I think not. And that is precisely the reason why I think a new war in the Middle East is inevitable and will take place this year, probably by August.
Read more by Philip Giraldi
- The New World Order is Unimpeachable – May 22nd, 2013
- Boston Becomes Toxic – May 15th, 2013
- Gatekeeping for Zion – May 9th, 2013
- Kristol Clear – May 1st, 2013
- What Has Bibi Been Doing? – April 24th, 2013





sherban
May 6th, 2010 at 5:21 am
Yeah,this a real scenario in American politic scene.But the world contains also others countries!Why China or Russia to allow such a crime?It is not understandable why they are silenced until now and allow the terror ,the lies,and threatens spilled on Iran.Remains also Bank I-Moon to be herd,UN,millions of protesters.What about Petraeus,Mullen?Could the "great democracy of US" be pushed again in a criminal war even when her President is obviously opposes?If so will be better to broke US in 50 states so Israel and the Lobby would may corrupt hardier.
Nelson_2008
May 6th, 2010 at 6:13 am
Unfortunately, I think Phil Giraldi's scenario is quite probable.
Obama however could in theory stop Israel anytime he wants to; yes, he will certainly be the target of their hatred and vengeance, but this next war will almost certainly be the end of what's left of the U.S. What good is it to be the hated President of a completely ruined country?
As I've said before, I don't see any middle ground where Obama can hide and wait out the end of his term. He'll either be the President that saved America from the machinations of Zionist Jewry, or the President that facilitated/presided over Zionist Jewry's final destruction of America.
Nelson_2008
May 6th, 2010 at 6:13 am
Unfortunately, I think Phil Giraldi's scenario is quite probable.
Obama however could in theory stop Israel anytime he wants to; yes, he will certainly be the target of their hatred and vengeance, but this next war will almost certainly be the end of what's left of the U.S. What good is it to be the hated President of a completely ruined country?
As I've said before, I don't see any middle ground where Obama can hide and wait out the end of his term. He'll either be the President that saved America from the machinations of Zionist Jewry, or the President that facilitated/presided over Zionist Jewry's final destruction of America.
Peaceful_Idiot
May 6th, 2010 at 7:07 am
To me the biggest question is one you raised in your article, will Iran sink a carrier in retaliation? If that were to happen, then wouldn't it be a logical conclusion that Americans will become angry and in their bloodlust call for foreigner nuking?
All the evidence I've seen leads me to believe that Iran will try to pull a Van Riper on the Navy if it is attacked. The Iranians have the cruise missiles, and I found an entry on a blog linked on Fred Reed's Dead Carriers article that was discussing <a href="http://www.defensereview.com/iranian-bradstone-challenger-speedboat-swarms-vs-u-s-navy-aircraft-carriers-van-riper-redux/
">Iran reverse engineering a speed boat for that very purpose. Then Sec Gates comes out and says <a href=" http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE642…
">this:
What I wonder is, if Israel attacked first, what would Iran with the time before the US joins in the fun? Will it retaliate against the US or just Israel? If Israel attacked first it would be like telegraphing your shot, because I don't think Israel has the conventional capability to stop Iran from severely fucking with the US Navy should Iran decide to retaliate before the US decides to get involved and destroy them, which is what I would assume would be the next step if I were an Iranian. That is when Iran would have the best shot at causing the most damage with swarms of speed boats armed with carrier killing cruise missiles, should it choose to. The realization that Carrier groups and all their fancy weapons are as useful as crossing the T, the reaction in America would be one of total disbelief and shock, then anger, then all hell breaks loose.
Peaceful_Idiot
May 6th, 2010 at 7:07 am
To me the biggest question is one you raised in your article, will Iran sink a carrier in retaliation? If that were to happen, then wouldn't it be a logical conclusion that Americans will become angry and in their bloodlust call for foreigner nuking?
All the evidence I've seen leads me to believe that Iran will try to pull a Van Riper on the Navy if it is attacked. The Iranians have the cruise missiles, and I found an entry on a blog linked on Fred Reed's Dead Carriers article that was discussing <a href="http://www.defensereview.com/iranian-bradstone-challenger-speedboat-swarms-vs-u-s-navy-aircraft-carriers-van-riper-redux/
">Iran reverse engineering a speed boat for that very purpose. Then Sec Gates comes out and says <a href=" http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE642…
">this:
What I wonder is, if Israel attacked first, what would Iran with the time before the US joins in the fun? Will it retaliate against the US or just Israel? If Israel attacked first it would be like telegraphing your shot, because I don't think Israel has the conventional capability to stop Iran from severely fucking with the US Navy should Iran decide to retaliate before the US decides to get involved and destroy them, which is what I would assume would be the next step if I were an Iranian. That is when Iran would have the best shot at causing the most damage with swarms of speed boats armed with carrier killing cruise missiles, should it choose to. The realization that Carrier groups and all their fancy weapons are as useful as crossing the T, the reaction in America would be one of total disbelief and shock, then anger, then all hell breaks loose.
Peaceful_Idiot
May 6th, 2010 at 7:07 am
To me the biggest question is one you raised in your article, will Iran sink a carrier in retaliation? If that were to happen, then wouldn't it be a logical conclusion that Americans will become angry and in their bloodlust call for foreigner nuking?
All the evidence I've seen leads me to believe that Iran will try to pull a Van Riper on the Navy if it is attacked. The Iranians have the cruise missiles, and I found an entry on a blog linked on Fred Reed's Dead Carriers article that was discussing <a href="http://www.defensereview.com/iranian-bradstone-challenger-speedboat-swarms-vs-u-s-navy-aircraft-carriers-van-riper-redux/
">Iran reverse engineering a speed boat for that very purpose. Then Sec Gates comes out and says <a href=" http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE642…
">this:
What I wonder is, if Israel attacked first, what would Iran with the time before the US joins in the fun? Will it retaliate against the US or just Israel? If Israel attacked first it would be like telegraphing your shot, because I don't think Israel has the conventional capability to stop Iran from severely fucking with the US Navy should Iran decide to retaliate before the US decides to get involved and destroy them, which is what I would assume would be the next step if I were an Iranian. That is when Iran would have the best shot at causing the most damage with swarms of speed boats armed with carrier killing cruise missiles, should it choose to. The realization that Carrier groups and all their fancy weapons are as useful as crossing the T, the reaction in America would be one of total disbelief and shock, then anger, then all hell breaks loose.
epppie
May 6th, 2010 at 7:28 am
The only problem with all this is the utterly baseless and shameful assumption by alternapundits that Obama wants peace. THERE IS NO REASON WHATEVER FOR THIS ASSUMPTION. We have seen nothing from Obama that suggests that he is a man of peace, and much to suggest the exact opposite. The is the warringingest peacemaker I've ever seen, which makes him the most dangerous, precisely because people believe him when he says peace but means war. It is the responsibility of alternapundits to be the first to break this spell, not the last.
epppie
May 6th, 2010 at 7:28 am
The only problem with all this is the utterly baseless and shameful assumption by alternapundits that Obama wants peace. THERE IS NO REASON WHATEVER FOR THIS ASSUMPTION. We have seen nothing from Obama that suggests that he is a man of peace, and much to suggest the exact opposite. The is the warringingest peacemaker I've ever seen, which makes him the most dangerous, precisely because people believe him when he says peace but means war. It is the responsibility of alternapundits to be the first to break this spell, not the last.
epppie
May 6th, 2010 at 7:28 am
The only problem with all this is the utterly baseless and shameful assumption by alternapundits that Obama wants peace. THERE IS NO REASON WHATEVER FOR THIS ASSUMPTION. We have seen nothing from Obama that suggests that he is a man of peace, and much to suggest the exact opposite. The is the warringingest peacemaker I've ever seen, which makes him the most dangerous, precisely because people believe him when he says peace but means war. It is the responsibility of alternapundits to be the first to break this spell, not the last.
epppie
May 6th, 2010 at 7:28 am
The only problem with all this is the utterly baseless and shameful assumption by alternapundits that Obama wants peace. THERE IS NO REASON WHATEVER FOR THIS ASSUMPTION. We have seen nothing from Obama that suggests that he is a man of peace, and much to suggest the exact opposite. The is the warringingest peacemaker I've ever seen, which makes him the most dangerous, precisely because people believe him when he says peace but means war. It is the responsibility of alternapundits to be the first to break this spell, not the last.
epppie
May 6th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Regarding the possiblity that Iranian retaliation might destroy a US ship: think it through, Giraldi. Israel expects precisely this, and they know that the US public won't blame Israel for a second, but will blame Iran. Polls show that the universal messaging from the US political/media establishment that Iran is evil and Israel is good have prepared the public well to read any such event as being Iran's fault and not Israel's. The result will be that the public in the US will demand that the US military 'take off the gloves'. There are many in the US high command for whom that will be music to their ears. Do you think a president who makes horrific jokes about drones, who threatens to use nuclear weapons, will shrink from unleashing the full destructive force of the US military? No. Of course not.
But you make an excellent point about the likely timetable and the role of the government changeover in Iraq for that.
epppie
May 6th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Regarding the possiblity that Iranian retaliation might destroy a US ship: think it through, Giraldi. Israel expects precisely this, and they know that the US public won't blame Israel for a second, but will blame Iran. Polls show that the universal messaging from the US political/media establishment that Iran is evil and Israel is good have prepared the public well to read any such event as being Iran's fault and not Israel's. The result will be that the public in the US will demand that the US military 'take off the gloves'. There are many in the US high command for whom that will be music to their ears. Do you think a president who makes horrific jokes about drones, who threatens to use nuclear weapons, will shrink from unleashing the full destructive force of the US military? No. Of course not.
But you make an excellent point about the likely timetable and the role of the government changeover in Iraq for that.
epppie
May 6th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Regarding the possiblity that Iranian retaliation might destroy a US ship: think it through, Giraldi. Israel expects precisely this, and they know that the US public won't blame Israel for a second, but will blame Iran. Polls show that the universal messaging from the US political/media establishment that Iran is evil and Israel is good have prepared the public well to read any such event as being Iran's fault and not Israel's. The result will be that the public in the US will demand that the US military 'take off the gloves'. There are many in the US high command for whom that will be music to their ears. Do you think a president who makes horrific jokes about drones, who threatens to use nuclear weapons, will shrink from unleashing the full destructive force of the US military? No. Of course not.
But you make an excellent point about the likely timetable and the role of the government changeover in Iraq for that.
epppie
May 6th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Regarding the possiblity that Iranian retaliation might destroy a US ship: think it through, Giraldi. Israel expects precisely this, and they know that the US public won't blame Israel for a second, but will blame Iran. Polls show that the universal messaging from the US political/media establishment that Iran is evil and Israel is good have prepared the public well to read any such event as being Iran's fault and not Israel's. The result will be that the public in the US will demand that the US military 'take off the gloves'. There are many in the US high command for whom that will be music to their ears. Do you think a president who makes horrific jokes about drones, who threatens to use nuclear weapons, will shrink from unleashing the full destructive force of the US military? No. Of course not.
But you make an excellent point about the likely timetable and the role of the government changeover in Iraq for that.
epppie
May 6th, 2010 at 7:40 am
China and Russia have already signed onto sanctions numerous times and are about to do so again. They will not object to the attack on Iran. They may mouth of a little, but that's all.
Petraeus? He will expect to ride a wave of patriotic fervor into the White House as he destroys Iran.
I expect he can hardly wait.
Mullen? His opposition to a war with Iran is overdone.
Wolfgang
May 6th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Hi, I wonder, isn't it the first and foremost duty of Obama to save the lives of his soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan? How could he permit the Israelis to go that risk? His troups are sitting there almost like defenseless Ducks. I'm pretty sure that they are already in the targets of Iranian missiles.
And in my opinion, the Iranians would have the right to wipe them out!
Compared to bloody USA and Israel, the Iranians have never started a war in the last hundred years! And I think many Europeans would enjoy if the US looses their "Bravest" there.
Sorry that I may hurt your feelings,
Wolfgang
Wolfgang
May 6th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Hi, I wonder, isn't it the first and foremost duty of Obama to save the lives of his soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan? How could he permit the Israelis to go that risk? His troups are sitting there almost like defenseless Ducks. I'm pretty sure that they are already in the targets of Iranian missiles.
And in my opinion, the Iranians would have the right to wipe them out!
Compared to bloody USA and Israel, the Iranians have never started a war in the last hundred years! And I think many Europeans would enjoy if the US looses their "Bravest" there.
Sorry that I may hurt your feelings,
Wolfgang
Wolfgang
May 6th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Hi, I wonder, isn't it the first and foremost duty of Obama to save the lives of his soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan? How could he permit the Israelis to go that risk? His troups are sitting there almost like defenseless Ducks. I'm pretty sure that they are already in the targets of Iranian missiles.
And in my opinion, the Iranians would have the right to wipe them out!
Compared to bloody USA and Israel, the Iranians have never started a war in the last hundred years! And I think many Europeans would enjoy if the US looses their "Bravest" there.
Sorry that I may hurt your feelings,
Wolfgang
Bene_Tleilax
May 6th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Standing orders don't apply to Israel, remember USS Liberty?
Bene_Tleilax
May 6th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Consider the Known consequences of an attack on Iran – even if Iran were to do NOTHING in retaliation, some false flag event would draw them into an all-out shooting war whether they want or not:
You can kiss not only your precious aircraft carrier goodbye, but the entire carrier Group
Israel will seek to draw in Syria and Lebanon
Iraq would fucking explode in violence against US troops
China's vast investments in Iran would be jeopardized – China has so many ways to retaliate that they need no elaboration from me. Suffice it to say they can sink the US economy by simply snapping their fingers.
Thousands of Russian citizens work in Iran's nuclear facilities. Needless to say pissing off Russia by killing it's nationals will have dire consequences.
Iran can easily close Hormuz for at least a year. 40% of the world's oil gone. Oil would hit $200/bbl on the first day, and probably soar to $400-$600/bbl within weeks.
The US and Europe economies would collapse.
The US would then escalate, China could take back Taiwan, Russia could wipe out whatever is left of the idiotic "color revolutions", there would be Massive world-wide angry protests and riots in Europe, Japan, and every last Muslim nation on earth. The shit would hit the fan.
Global nuclear war would be a distinct possibility.
For all this and more you can thank your "special friend", that Nazi Zionist entity, Israel.
sherban
May 6th, 2010 at 5:21 am
Yeah,this a real scenario in American politic scene.But the world contains also others countries!Why China or Russia to allow such a crime?It is not understandable why they are silenced until now and allow the terror ,the lies,and threatens spilled on Iran.Remains also Bank I-Moon to be herd,UN,millions of protesters.What about Petraeus,Mullen?Could the "great democracy of US" be pushed again in a criminal war even when her President is obviously opposes?If so will be better to broke US in 50 states so Israel and the Lobby would may corrupt hardier.
Wolfgang
May 6th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Hi epppie,
I'm not so entirely sure if Russia and China would be completely quiet, just because they agree in some inefficient sanctions. Just a look at the map will tell if the US gets complete power on Iran it would severly affect the future of China and Russia. I know of some past talks between the two countries and that they have spoken about the problem to each other.
So, we will see if this will be only an isolated local problem. I would NOT take that for sure.
W.
Duglarri
May 6th, 2010 at 6:36 am
I wonder what the standing orders are for the air force in Iraq. The result of an encounter between US air assets there and a formation of Israeli aircraft heading for Iran would depend on the rules of engagement in place at the time. Would the commander be required, have time, or even have the discretion to refer all the way back to Washington to get authorization to open fire? They might well be operating under parameters that call for them to control that airspace. The rules of engagement typically in place involve just a few steps: intercept, identify, order to land, if ignored, shoot down. There's not typically a caveat in there that says, "if the plane is Israeli, call Washington for orders."
There was an incident a few years ago, pre-9/11, when a US carrier was in the harbour at Vancouver, and a local radio station had their traffic plane fly over it. The station interviewed a Canadian naval officer, and asked jokingly what would happen if the plane did a touch-and-go off the carrier deck. The officer replied that he wouldn't recommend it, because the standing orders on the carrier would probably be to blow the plane over the side, civilian or not.
Military organizations are not known for their quick, flexible thinking. I think the Israelis would be taking an awful risk going into US-controlled airspace over Iraq, "friends" or not.
Duglarri
May 6th, 2010 at 6:36 am
I wonder what the standing orders are for the air force in Iraq. The result of an encounter between US air assets there and a formation of Israeli aircraft heading for Iran would depend on the rules of engagement in place at the time. Would the commander be required, have time, or even have the discretion to refer all the way back to Washington to get authorization to open fire? They might well be operating under parameters that call for them to control that airspace. The rules of engagement typically in place involve just a few steps: intercept, identify, order to land, if ignored, shoot down. There's not typically a caveat in there that says, "if the plane is Israeli, call Washington for orders."
There was an incident a few years ago, pre-9/11, when a US carrier was in the harbour at Vancouver, and a local radio station had their traffic plane fly over it. The station interviewed a Canadian naval officer, and asked jokingly what would happen if the plane did a touch-and-go off the carrier deck. The officer replied that he wouldn't recommend it, because the standing orders on the carrier would probably be to blow the plane over the side, civilian or not.
Military organizations are not known for their quick, flexible thinking. I think the Israelis would be taking an awful risk going into US-controlled airspace over Iraq, "friends" or not.
Cold WInd
May 6th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
It would be more sensible for the US to attack Israel the moment Israel attacks Iran. This improbable outcome aside, it should be said that war is beset with uncertainties, unintended consequences and tragic mistakes of judgment. We should pray for the worst for Israel should be so foolish to start yet another war.
Cold WInd
May 6th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
It would be more sensible for the US to attack Israel the moment Israel attacks Iran. This improbable outcome aside, it should be said that war is beset with uncertainties, unintended consequences and tragic mistakes of judgment. We should pray for the worst for Israel should be so foolish to start yet another war.
Connestee
May 6th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Surely this is sarcasm.
LES
May 6th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
When Rush starts attacking Iran and beating his war drum, you will know the time is near.
It's his job to prepare his listeners to support the Israeli attack on Iran.
epppie
May 6th, 2010 at 7:44 am
Do you not see the problem with this sentence?: " I believe that Obama has already told Netanyahu both privately and through diplomatic channels that the US opposes military action but the Israeli government no doubt regards such a warning as toothless, particularly as both Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton have asserted that Israel has a right to make its own security decisions."
Ok, Biden and Clinton are both parts of Obama's administration. Whatever Obama said to Netanyahu privately, what he said publicly has implied with amazingly little ambiguity that Israel has Obama's goahead for a strike. So even if Obama did say to Netanyahu that he doesn't want Israel to strike, the most reasonable interpretation for Netanyahu to give to such mixed messaging is that Obama wants plausible deniability. This is also the best interpretation we can give.
doc noss
May 6th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Perfectly stated, Nelson. And that last sentence is really the bottom line.
doc noss
May 6th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Perfectly stated, Nelson. And that last sentence is really the bottom line.
doc noss
May 6th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Don't forget who's in charge of the Air Force. It's Gen. Norton Schwartz. And his senior civilian advisor is Dr. Lani Kass, a dual citizen and former Major in the Guess Which Country's Army!
doc noss
May 6th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Don't forget who's in charge of the Air Force. It's Gen. Norton Schwartz. And his senior civilian advisor is Dr. Lani Kass, a dual citizen and former Major in the Guess Which Country's Army!
doc noss
May 6th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
You don't really believe Iraq will take over sovereignty of their own airspace, do you?
bogi666
May 6th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Great reminder. Also, Cheney had the Air Forces for the eastern seaboard down on 9/11. Israels current NAZI government learned well from Hitler who invaded country after country with no repercussion from the world. It's a NAZI tactic that isn't unnoticed by Israel's government which uses NAZISM against the Palestinians. O'BushBama will not challenge the Israeli's because Netanyahu has already bullied him and the USG at will. Just as no one stood up to Hitler, the USG will not confront Israel because we have become a country of mindlessness unable to discern even their own thoughts as well of the thoughts of others from facts.
bogi666
May 6th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Great reminder. Also, Cheney had the Air Forces for the eastern seaboard down on 9/11. Israels current NAZI government learned well from Hitler who invaded country after country with no repercussion from the world. It's a NAZI tactic that isn't unnoticed by Israel's government which uses NAZISM against the Palestinians. O'BushBama will not challenge the Israeli's because Netanyahu has already bullied him and the USG at will. Just as no one stood up to Hitler, the USG will not confront Israel because we have become a country of mindlessness unable to discern even their own thoughts as well of the thoughts of others from facts.
bogi666
May 6th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Great reminder. Also, Cheney had the Air Forces for the eastern seaboard down on 9/11. Israels current NAZI government learned well from Hitler who invaded country after country with no repercussion from the world. It's a NAZI tactic that isn't unnoticed by Israel's government which uses NAZISM against the Palestinians. O'BushBama will not challenge the Israeli's because Netanyahu has already bullied him and the USG at will. Just as no one stood up to Hitler, the USG will not confront Israel because we have become a country of mindlessness unable to discern even their own thoughts as well of the thoughts of others from facts.
doc noss
May 6th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Amen!
charley caruso
May 6th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Bring back BushBaker, the only two people to ever stand up to the Zionists (for which they were booted out of office)
If the Z-boys attack, Iran should not retaliate (and be vaporized). They should just hunker down and become 'the world's greatest victim' along with poor Gaza- and let the world's billion Muslims take action.
The Times Square non-bomb would just be starters
If there were an election for Secretary of State, Giraldi would get my vote
The Zionist control of the U.S. govt, media, entertainment et al. cannot last. The end of that control could be ugly. A word of warning.
charley caruso
May 6th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Bring back BushBaker, the only two people to ever stand up to the Zionists (for which they were booted out of office)
If the Z-boys attack, Iran should not retaliate (and be vaporized). They should just hunker down and become 'the world's greatest victim' along with poor Gaza- and let the world's billion Muslims take action.
The Times Square non-bomb would just be starters
If there were an election for Secretary of State, Giraldi would get my vote
The Zionist control of the U.S. govt, media, entertainment et al. cannot last. The end of that control could be ugly. A word of warning.
ML3
May 6th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
This would finally lift the scales off the eyes of all these Americans who support Israel and see it for what the rest of the world sees it, as a tiny, trouble-making, apartheid state itching to kill all the Holocaust pain away, over and over forever.
Then maybe if there is anything or anyone left in the fused glass and twisted rubble, they can attach themselves to some other large, well-equipped country and proceed to slowly destroy it from within
Bene_Tleilax
May 6th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Consider the Known consequences of an attack on Iran – even if Iran were to do NOTHING in retaliation, some false flag event would draw them into an all-out shooting war whether they want or not:
You can kiss not only your precious aircraft carrier goodbye, but the entire carrier Group
Israel will seek to draw in Syria and Lebanon
Iraq would fucking explode in violence against US troops
China's vast investments in Iran would be jeopardized – China has so many ways to retaliate that they need no elaboration from me. Suffice it to say they can sink the US economy by simply snapping their fingers.
Thousands of Russian citizens work in Iran's nuclear facilities. Needless to say pissing off Russia by killing it's nationals will have dire consequences.
Iran can easily close Hormuz for at least a year. 40% of the world's oil gone. Oil would hit $200/bbl on the first day, and probably soar to $400-$600/bbl within weeks.
The US and Europe economies would collapse.
The US would then escalate, China could take back Taiwan, Russia could wipe out whatever is left of the idiotic "color revolutions", there would be Massive world-wide angry protests and riots in Europe, Japan, and every last Muslim nation on earth. The shit would hit the fan.
Global nuclear war would be a distinct possibility.
For all this and more you can thank your "special friend", that Nazi Zionist entity, Israel.
Bene_Tleilax
May 6th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Consider the Known consequences of an attack on Iran – even if Iran were to do NOTHING in retaliation, some false flag event would draw them into an all-out shooting war whether they want or not:
You can kiss not only your precious aircraft carrier goodbye, but the entire carrier Group
Israel will seek to draw in Syria and Lebanon
Iraq would fucking explode in violence against US troops
China's vast investments in Iran would be jeopardized – China has so many ways to retaliate that they need no elaboration from me. Suffice it to say they can sink the US economy by simply snapping their fingers.
Thousands of Russian citizens work in Iran's nuclear facilities. Needless to say pissing off Russia by killing it's nationals will have dire consequences.
Iran can easily close Hormuz for at least a year. 40% of the world's oil gone. Oil would hit $200/bbl on the first day, and probably soar to $400-$600/bbl within weeks.
The US and Europe economies would collapse.
The US would then escalate, China could take back Taiwan, Russia could wipe out whatever is left of the idiotic "color revolutions", there would be Massive world-wide angry protests and riots in Europe, Japan, and every last Muslim nation on earth. The shit would hit the fan.
Global nuclear war would be a distinct possibility.
For all this and more you can thank your "special friend", that Nazi Zionist entity, Israel.
Bene_Tleilax
May 6th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Consider the Known consequences of an attack on Iran – even if Iran were to do NOTHING in retaliation, some false flag event would draw them into an all-out shooting war whether they want or not:
You can kiss not only your precious aircraft carrier goodbye, but the entire carrier Group
Israel will seek to draw in Syria and Lebanon
Iraq would fucking explode in violence against US troops
China's vast investments in Iran would be jeopardized – China has so many ways to retaliate that they need no elaboration from me. Suffice it to say they can sink the US economy by simply snapping their fingers.
Thousands of Russian citizens work in Iran's nuclear facilities. Needless to say pissing off Russia by killing it's nationals will have dire consequences.
Iran can easily close Hormuz for at least a year. 40% of the world's oil gone. Oil would hit $200/bbl on the first day, and probably soar to $400-$600/bbl within weeks.
The US and Europe economies would collapse.
The US would then escalate, China could take back Taiwan, Russia could wipe out whatever is left of the idiotic "color revolutions", there would be Massive world-wide angry protests and riots in Europe, Japan, and every last Muslim nation on earth. The shit would hit the fan.
Global nuclear war would be a distinct possibility.
For all this and more you can thank your "special friend", that Nazi Zionist entity, Israel.
Connestee
May 6th, 2010 at 11:51 am
China and Russia are more than willing to let the US destroy itself. China will eventually own or control parts of the US because we will be bankrupt and they will foreclose on some of our assets, which will at that point be property, both real and intellectual.
gary
May 6th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
war war war…after all these years, decades and centuries, one would think that another soloution can be found….but no we just keep banging our head against the same stupid wall..we are children with deadly tantrums
gary
May 6th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
war war war…after all these years, decades and centuries, one would think that another soloution can be found….but no we just keep banging our head against the same stupid wall..we are children with deadly tantrums
Connestee
May 6th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
It is not beyond the realm of possibility that Iran might not retaliate. They have been maneuvering to gain the upper hand internationally, in PR terms, that it is Iran who is acting reasonably and that the US and Israel are the aggressors picking a fight. Imo Ahmadinejad won the day at the recent UN nuclear conference when the US, France, GB, and who else stomped out like little children when it was his time to speak. Just suppose they are attacked by Israel, the US, or both and act with restraint. Maybe it's not reasonable to think this could happen, but I think it would win them some friends around the world, and some sympathy.
Connestee
May 6th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
It is not beyond the realm of possibility that Iran might not retaliate. They have been maneuvering to gain the upper hand internationally, in PR terms, that it is Iran who is acting reasonably and that the US and Israel are the aggressors picking a fight. Imo Ahmadinejad won the day at the recent UN nuclear conference when the US, France, GB, and who else stomped out like little children when it was his time to speak. Just suppose they are attacked by Israel, the US, or both and act with restraint. Maybe it's not reasonable to think this could happen, but I think it would win them some friends around the world, and some sympathy.
Farmer Giles
May 6th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
No, I believe Israel is too smart to risk its own people on a unnecessary war with Iran. The Iran war will follow the same pattern as the Iraq war. The Israel lobby will whore the next presidential election on this issue. Bush got into office because he had a policy of forceful regime change in Iraq. Anyone who follows the news is aware that the Bush administration intended the Iraq war long before 9/11. A republican will win the next presidential election based on a policy of "regime change" in Iran, and then there will be a media blitz, with false flag attacks, etc., all precipitating a US attack on Iran.
jcnwiiii
May 6th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Phil,
I do not believe the american public believe any of the lies coming from the US government or media, with the except of the Fox news crowd and the neocons zionists lovers. On Huff Post when Iran articles come out there is not 1 in 100 talk backs supporting the BS.
Secondly Iran may already have a nuke or 10…..do you think that the supreme zionists really want to take a chance on getting nuked?
Bruce Richardson
May 6th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Dr. Phil, excellent as we have come to expect from you.
In a perfect world our president would tell the Israelis that if they were to fire one shot at Tehran we would retaliate by cutting ALL AID to Tel Aviv and we would not back-stop them in this madness.
The cost to the United States to have Israel as an "ally" is disproportionate in the extreme. They attacked us (USS Liberty) they spy on us, and they were instrumental with the fabrication of intell with which to drag us into war with Iraq. For all our billions in economic aid and for all our diplomatic cover for Israel's many crimes against humanity, they continue to undermine our interests. IT IS TIME FOR AMERICA TO SEEK A DIVORCE FROM ISRAEL.
LES
May 6th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
When Rush starts attacking Iran and beating his war drum, you will know the time is near.
It's his job to prepare his listeners to support the Israeli attack on Iran.
Miles Gloriosus
May 6th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
This latest fiasco in the Gulf of Mexico will make deep-sea oil drilling, already unpopular with traditional democrat party constituencies, less likely and oil from the ME that much more valuable. Given that folk around the world are going to become increasingly reluctant to run the risk of more oil spills off their coasts, people consequently will be averse to interupting the flow of ME oil.
Plus, the world-wide depression any kink to the free flow of ME oil would cause would far outweigh any political advantage to be gained.
Miles Gloriosus
May 6th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
This latest fiasco in the Gulf of Mexico will make deep-sea oil drilling, already unpopular with traditional democrat party constituencies, less likely and oil from the ME that much more valuable. Given that folk around the world are going to become increasingly reluctant to run the risk of more oil spills off their coasts, people consequently will be averse to interupting the flow of ME oil.
Plus, the world-wide depression any kink to the free flow of ME oil would cause would far outweigh any political advantage to be gained.
Miles Gloriosus
May 6th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
This latest fiasco in the Gulf of Mexico will make deep-sea oil drilling, already unpopular with traditional democrat party constituencies, less likely and oil from the ME that much more valuable. Given that folk around the world are going to become increasingly reluctant to run the risk of more oil spills off their coasts, people consequently will be averse to interupting the flow of ME oil.
Plus, the world-wide depression any kink to the free flow of ME oil would cause would far outweigh any political advantage to be gained.
Miles Gloriosus
May 6th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
This latest fiasco in the Gulf of Mexico will make deep-sea oil drilling, already unpopular with traditional democrat party constituencies, less likely and oil from the ME that much more valuable. Given that folk around the world are going to become increasingly reluctant to run the risk of more oil spills off their coasts, people consequently will be averse to interupting the flow of ME oil.
Plus, the world-wide depression any kink to the free flow of ME oil would cause would far outweigh any political advantage to be gained.
doc noss
May 6th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Perfectly stated, Nelson. And that last sentence is really the bottom line.
Keith
May 6th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Alright phil, former CIA asset. You're putting your credibility on the line here. I'll remember this.
doc noss
May 6th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
The only problem is that the U.S. is NOT going to make it to another presidential election.
Richard
May 6th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Any And All The Trouble In the Middle East Is Directly Caused By the Zionist Govt Of Isreal'! PERIOD!
Richard
May 6th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
I AGREE WITH THIS 1000%'!
Richard
May 6th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
"ATTACH ITSELF TO ANOTHER COUNTRY"! THAT IS CALLED (PARASITIC) Better Known as ISRAEL'! $$$
eve
May 6th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Zionists are warmongers. Does anyone disagree?
Talk to your fellow Americans and educate them on the zionist view of the world.
Connect the dots for them and watch the sleeping giant awaken.
Sunlight disinfects. Knowledge is power, so share your knowledge with your fellow Americans.
KHarbaugh
May 7th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Phil, in your list of media outlets that unquestioningly support Israel's policies
(as long as they are in the direction of "Greater Israel"),
how can you leave out The Wall Street Zionist</cite>? :-)
Nelson_2008
May 6th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Even if Iran doesn't retaliate (as they would have every right to do), I think there's a significant probability that Israel will "retaliate" for them; i.e., what better moment for a domestic false-flag terror attack than shortly after Israel attacks Iran?
In fact, I'll predict that if Israel attacks Iran, or if Iran becomes a party to an Israeli war of aggression started elsewhere, and even if Iran retaliates by attacking U.S. and Israeli targets in the Mideast, as it has stated that it would, there'll still be another large scale false-flag terror attack on U.S. soil by Israel and its fanatical partisans.
Once the festivities start, it seems to me it will be in our Masters' best interest to invoke martial law.
conumishu
May 6th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Yea, but Bush regime – part 2 – avoided war with Iran despite all the leftover neocons and provocations.
Either Obama is already "whored" (why "waste" another 4 years, makes no sense) or simply, lobby foaming at the mouth or not, there are American strategic interests so important that no administration can afford taking the risk to start this war.
Andy
May 7th, 2010 at 2:40 am
What Obama wants is to get re-elected. That's why a certain ethnic group has so much power.
Andy
May 7th, 2010 at 2:40 am
What Obama wants is to get re-elected. That's why a certain ethnic group has so much power.
2ndidiot!
May 7th, 2010 at 3:17 am
In my humble opinion, the west would love to see Iran developing nuc-bombs! The end game for the west is to apply max possible pressure on Iran and force the Iranians into developing their own first nuc-bomb!! Iranians are aware of this strategy and hence refusing to develop their own nuc-arsenal. Should Iranians develop their own first bomb then the west can easily justify the existence of the Israeli's nuc-arsenal and also the west will rake the commercial benefits of the strategy by selling more nuc-technology, or trade for oil, to the fearful Arab countries that can afford it!!
dedreckon
May 7th, 2010 at 3:48 am
The only fly in that ointment is that Russia and China have large investments in Iran and have already stated in no uncertain terms to the US and NATO, if Iran is attacked they will assist them politically, materially and militarily. If Israel or the United States threaten to use nuclear weapons Russia will up the ante with theirs. Iran has the ballistic missile capability to pretty much devistate Israel and the Dimona nuclear reactor is first on the Iranian targeting list.
Van Riper's scenario did not even consider Iran's capability regarding the Chinese Sunburn or the Russian Moskit anti-ship cruise missile. The US Navy admits there exist no defense against these missiles and ther is nowhere in the Persian Gulf that is not in range of these weapons.
If we lose a carrier and a couple of other capital ships, the Israelis lose a large part of their country and a possible nuclear disaster at Dimona, I believe it is safe to say the war mongers in both countries, the US and Israel, will quickly lose their appetite for war. Wars are easy to sell when you never take casualties or at least it is limited to some of your men and some of your equipment.
dedreckon
May 7th, 2010 at 3:48 am
The only fly in that ointment is that Russia and China have large investments in Iran and have already stated in no uncertain terms to the US and NATO, if Iran is attacked they will assist them politically, materially and militarily. If Israel or the United States threaten to use nuclear weapons Russia will up the ante with theirs. Iran has the ballistic missile capability to pretty much devistate Israel and the Dimona nuclear reactor is first on the Iranian targeting list.
Van Riper's scenario did not even consider Iran's capability regarding the Chinese Sunburn or the Russian Moskit anti-ship cruise missile. The US Navy admits there exist no defense against these missiles and ther is nowhere in the Persian Gulf that is not in range of these weapons.
If we lose a carrier and a couple of other capital ships, the Israelis lose a large part of their country and a possible nuclear disaster at Dimona, I believe it is safe to say the war mongers in both countries, the US and Israel, will quickly lose their appetite for war. Wars are easy to sell when you never take casualties or at least it is limited to some of your men and some of your equipment.
Richard
May 6th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Any And All The Trouble In the Middle East Is Directly Caused By the Zionist Govt Of Isreal'! PERIOD!
Chas
May 7th, 2010 at 12:21 am
Angolo-Usrael strike on Iran in my opinion would be hare-brained until the cannon-fodder american land forces are increased to at leat 5 million in a year or two, the judicious deployment of which JUST MIGHT deter any coordinated response from China and russia. But by summer the devastation coming out of the Gulf Geyser, may require some really serious distraction. Classic hedging situation
Jake Taylor
May 7th, 2010 at 8:02 am
US Politicians Asked "What country in the Middle East ACTUALLY has Nukes?" Watch the Weasels Squirm when they dodge and evade any mention of Israel's nuclear weapons. Disgusting.
youtube.com/watch?v=NsjbV23cto8
Ball
May 7th, 2010 at 1:57 am
Phil is not a former CIA asset. He's a former CIA officer, which is the CIA's equivalent of an untouchable.
Connestee
May 7th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
The false flag event would be very possible, even likely. I had not thought of that, but since Iran probably has it pretty much blows up my idea.
Aaron
May 7th, 2010 at 7:33 am
Israel has no good options, and it's funny. Somewhere along the way they miscalculated what would happen during the wars we've been fighting for the past seven years. The USA is in no shape to attack Iran now or anytime in the immediate future. Our economy is trashed, our military is fatigued. Israel either has to attack, or live with a nuclear Iran, which they seem determined not to do. The best thing that could happen is Israel goes on the offensive, tne USA simply stands back. The other powers in the region help pick Israel apart, the oil suppliers don't penalize the western market, and all goes back to normal rather quickly. Call it the ultimate Rope-A-Dope. Israel only THOUGHT they had the USA by the leash. Wrong!
Connestee
May 7th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
The false flag event would be very possible, even likely. I had not thought of that, but since Iran probably has it pretty much blows up my idea.
ann
May 8th, 2010 at 4:49 am
I've emailed this. We have to get the word out so that this all seems very familiar to the public when it starts to unfold. The New York Times won't be publishing anything that isn't already known. Their rotten fish will stink to high heaven.
J.J.
May 16th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Connestee, You got it right my friend…Russia and China are more than willing to let the rogue state or only super power destroys itself…
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