Wanting to go to war with Iran has created some very strange bedfellows. Leading neoconservative Daniel Pipes’ assertion that President Barack Obama can salvage his presidency and get reelected by attacking Iran is about as low as it gets, suggesting as it does that an act of war can and should serve as a diversion from a failed domestic agenda. The soldiers and civilians who would inevitably die in such a conflict might not agree with Pipes that all is fair in politics. They would no doubt consider themselves betrayed and manipulated by a venal and disconnected political leadership, but no matter. It would not be a first time a neocon would consider a non-neocon casualty little more than a disagreeable statistic.
Sarah Palin is on the Pipes bandwagon, showing up at the mid-February Nashville Tea Party convention sporting an Israeli flag lapel pin and subsequently urging the president to do the right thing in supporting Israel by attacking Iran. As she put it, President Obama would improve his chances of re-election by showing people how tough he is. Pipes is at least smart enough to understand the implications of what he was saying, but Palin apparently was just parroting a line fed to her by Bill Kristol or one of her other handlers. Even Dick Cheney found the Palin line to be too much, pointing out that no one should go to war for reasons of domestic politics. Whether he actually believes that or not is unclear.
But possibly the most bizarre commentary supporting war with Iran was penned by Anne Applebaum for the Washington Post on February 23rd. Applebaum is married to the reliably conservative Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski, who is himself an American Enterprise Institute alumnus. She is an Obama supporter but generally has been described as a conservative who adheres to a hard line on foreign policy issues, perhaps not too surprising a triangulation as Obama himself has betrayed a goodly percentage of his flock by moving in the same direction. She sometimes confuses her personal agenda with her public advocacy, writing, for example, several articles calling on Roman Polanski to be freed while her husband in his official capacity was garnering support from the European diplomatic community to the same end.
Applebaum’s "Ready for an Iran war?" is not particularly subtle but it is interesting how she frames her argument. The first three quarters of the piece could almost be considered an antiwar statement. It details just how bad a war with Iran could be in terms of the possible consequences. She notes that the US does not want to attack Iran because no one knows where all the nuclear sites are, because an attack would only set back the alleged weapons program by a few months, and because Iran could easily engage in serious retaliation both against US troops in the region and against Israel. Applebaum also recognizes that oil prices would surge as soon as military action started. And she then goes on to argue that the Israelis likely have the same reservations about the efficacy of an attack on Iran. So far so good.
But then she shifts gears, warning "At some point, that calculation could change" because "the Israelis regard the Iranian nuclear program as a matter of life and death" due to the "Iranian president’s provocative attacks on Israel’s right to exist." Per Applebaum, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad supports "historians who deny the Holocaust" and suggests that Israelis might become "the target of an attempted mass murder."
Applebaum then posits that there might well be a 2 a.m. phone call to the White House from the Israeli Prime Minister announcing the completion of a bombing attack on Iran. "I don’t want this to happen – but I do want us to be prepared if it does," concluding that "I do hope that this administration is ready, militarily and psychologically, not for a war of choice but for an unwanted war of necessity. This is real life, after all, not Hollywood."
Actually Applebaum’s analysis is itself more like Hollywood than real life and its claim of "necessity" is little more than an appreciation that someone you have just struck might attempt to hit you back. A little fact checking for her article might have also proven useful. Iran is a military midget compared to Israel. It has no nuclear weapons and is apparently far away from obtaining them even if it makes a decision to do so and can master the necessary enrichment technology. Israel has a large secret nuclear arsenal together with missiles and submarines to deliver the weapons on target. Iran, far from a nation bent on a genocidal suicide mission, has never threatened to destroy or attack Israel while Israel has repeatedly threatened to use force against Iran. Many reported Iranian government "statements" to the contrary are deliberate mistranslations.
Applebaum cleverly dresses her scenario in a cloak of inevitability, suggesting to the reader that "this is what is going to happen." Her dire forecast is intended to increase American acceptance of the likelihood of a preemptive war with Iran, but war is by no means certain if everyone involved makes a serious effort to avoid it. As Israel knows its air force cannot cripple Iran, its government has had to devise a scheme to get the US to do it instead, which is precisely what is being promoted by Anne Applebaum, Daniel Pipes, and all the other usual suspects who have already brought America fun and games in Iraq and Afghanistan. Vladimir Ilyich Lenin used to describe people like Applebaum as "useful idiots," journalists who advance a cause in the belief that they are supporting something worthwhile, not understanding that they have been manipulated.
How to stop an Israeli attack? All the White House has to do is to say "no" to Israel firmly and publicly and tie that no to a commitment to cut off all military and economic aid to Tel Aviv if Bibi Netanyahu opts to do otherwise. Applebaum only sees realpolitik in one direction, coming from Israel and what Israel’s "needs" might be. She is not alone in making that type of assessment. She seems ignorant of the fact that an Israeli bombing attack on Iran would have to cross Iraq, where the airspace is controlled by the United States. The Pentagon can tell Israel flatly that it will use whatever force is necessary to stop an Israeli overflight knowing that if the US were to permit the attack it would be an accomplice to it, virtually requiring the Iranians to retaliate and drawing Washington into the war whether it wanted to be there or not.
And if there remained any uncertainty about what to do about Iran after the Applebaum op-ed, the Post used the same page in the same edition of the paper for an additional article by Richard Cohen making pretty much the same points as Applebaum about those awful Iranians, "Fight crazy with crazy." Cohen takes pains to ridicule any suggestion that the US might be tempted to use force to deter an Israeli attack on Iran, characteristically opining that we might thereby "Shoot our friends to defend our enemies." Cohen and Applebaum together make the case that preemptive war against Iran is somehow both justifiable and inevitable, ignoring the fact that Iran has never threatened the United States. Their Israel-centric view makes it appear completely acceptable for Washington to yet again go to war on behalf of Tel Aviv.
Well it all comes together neatly, doesn’t it? Those Iranians are well outside the pale and always will be, Cohen calling Ahmadinejad a Hitler come to earth again, and it is downright churlish of anyone to even suggest that we Americans might well have a national interest differing from that of Israel. How dare one express concern that the United States might be badly damaged if Tel Aviv starts another war in a deliberate attempt to "Wag the Dog?" But if there is a contrary view to Applebaum and Cohen you won’t find it in the Washington Post unless you take the time to review the hundreds of comments posted on both articles, which are almost all hostile if one weeds out the syntactically challenged cheerleading entries inserted by the industrious drones at the Israel Foreign Ministry. A number of bloggers not surprisingly describe Cohen and Applebaum as Israel-firsters. To be sure, the United States national interest as it relates to the Middle East quagmire would appear to be of no concern to Fred Hiatt and the others who manage the Post‘s editorial and op-ed pages.
Read more by Philip Giraldi
- Boston Becomes Toxic – May 15th, 2013
- Gatekeeping for Zion – May 9th, 2013
- Kristol Clear – May 1st, 2013
- What Has Bibi Been Doing? – April 24th, 2013
- Drones and Death Lists: The New Face of Warfare – April 17th, 2013





MvGuy
March 4th, 2010 at 5:32 am
What to do when the abused become the abusers?? When the strong victimize the weak.. What to do when the states with the deadliest weapons attack those so as to prevent them being attacked in the future?? Isn't that the sort of thinking that started the deadly cycle??
epppie
March 4th, 2010 at 6:24 am
We need to recognize that Obama has been leading the charge to war against Iran – and don't be confused about sanctions – they are a stepping stone to war. Obama has been singing about the bogus Iran 'threat' louder than anyone. And Clinton – the Obliterator?
No, we need to recognize that the neocons are not the problem anymore. They are just the crazies jumping up and down more than the others, but everyone is jumping to the same tune. And this tune is so far from reality that the Israeli defense minister, Barack, let the cat out of the bag, openly stating that Iran is not a threat to Israel, and somehow this was ignored. Hey people, the country that claims Iran is an existential threat just said IT ISN'T!! But of course, no one needed to be told that. The whole thing is far more patently bogus than the Iraq war buildup – and that makes the amazing success of this warmongering frenzy possibly the greatest tribute to Orwell in history.
TicTok
March 4th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Can't we just have a war-free economy? First.
Guest
March 4th, 2010 at 8:12 am
IMHO, Iran's current regime, not it's people, threaten the US because this small ruling clique wishes to "export the revolution" meaning export its style of rule by sharia law and Supreme Leader, to the whole world. These values are the exact opposite of American values, so if Iran's current leaders were to succeed at their goals it would mean eliminating America and everything it stands for. In this way, the mullahs are only being honest when they openly call "the West" in general their enemies or opponents, as they frequently do even on their own State media (no devious mistranslations there I assume).
Does America still hold a grudge about the '79 Iranian Revolution? I don't know, is our Embassy still being used as a Museum of Capitalist Lies with our beloved flag on display, burned and in rags? Things like that tends to make the whole "grudge" thing last a little longer.
Does Israel want to destroy all nations that might develop to its level? I think you're thinking of the Mafia, who many in the region do resemble, so I can see the confusion. Israel is just trying to stop criminal people from randomly firing rockets at its citizens and neighboring leaders from openly speculating on when it will be driven from the region like a plague.
Why do US politicians seem to equate Israel's interests as US interests? Because a deal's a deal and the United States has treaty obligations to protect Israel. If you want to change those treaties, you can lobby for it, but it wouldn't be right to just ditch our ally while we're still under treaty with them. This is something I think the original author of the article may have missed as well. I am antiwar, but I don't see how it helps avoid war to suggest that people should simply welch on a treaty. That's like saying you should get out of debt by skipping the state and starting a new life under a false identity. Budgeting and a sensible debt reduction plan is probably better.
If one of our allies get involved in a war, however it happens, we're bound to at least let them fly overhead and help them however else they need. That's what it means to be in a treaty with someone. So rather than yell at the Commander in Chief, who is bound by oath to uphold all our currently active treaties, you should lobby for new treaties if you feel a certain ally is likely to be a warmonger we should cut ties with. Obama isn't legally able to do the things the author is suggesting. He's not god of the world, only President of the United States of America! He has to follow the Constitution and Laws of the USA, including its Treaties.
45454
March 4th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Just build rods from god. and put Iran on the defensive.
pwi
March 4th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Obama is a neocon? Go figure. Last I heard he was the Commander in Chief.
Heck I wouldn't mind seeing Iran get some for the hostage crises. Stay tuned!
Wulfgar
March 4th, 2010 at 10:49 am
What treaty are you taking about?
collinh
March 4th, 2010 at 10:51 am
An absurd comment. .
Neither the Iranian Gov. nor its people are a threat to the U.S., Israel or any country for that matter. It is a joke to consider Iran a threat against the more powerful military in the world, and Israel which has an estimated 200 to 500 nuclear weapons, a non-signatory to the NPT. Furthermore there is absolutely no evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. All of this crap about spreading its revolution and values are attempts to demonize Iran to create fear.
America holds a grudge against Iran but not for the reasons you have cited.
The U.S. holds a grudge because the 1979 Revolution finally brought an end to U.S. grip on Iran when our “guy” the Shah was booted out and we lost our foothold in Iran.
Our values is another joke. We were the country who toppled the democratically elected leader of Iran in 1953 via Operation Ajax and installed a brutal dictator who ruled Iran with an iron fist. We love dictators and we are more than happy to install them, support them and provide them with the most sophisticated military arsenal so long as they are our puppet, regardless of what they do to their own people.
collinh
March 4th, 2010 at 10:56 am
continuation of my earlier comment.
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You speak about the U.S. having a grudge, I wonder what you think the Iranians feel about us: (1) toppling a democratic leader and installing a puppet dictator; (2) supporting Saddam during the 8 year war against Iran by providing military arsenal, satellite images of the Iranian infrastructures, including their oil refineries( bombed and destroyed), as well as chemical and biological weapons which killed over 1 million Iranians; (3) violating the Algiers Accord which required the US to end interference in Iranian affairs and return all the Iranian assets held in the U.S.; (4) imposing 30 years of illegal sanctions simply because we don’t like the regime and (5) using the nuclear issue as a political hype to deny Iran its inalienable right.
The bottom line is that neither the U.S. nor our ally Israel can stand any country which is an obstacle to our hegemonic ambitions in the Middle East and can be a counter balance to Israel in the region. You speak about agreements and treaties – We have absolutely no respect for any treaty or international agreements if they don’t serve our interest or the interest of Israel.
Michael Cecil
March 4th, 2010 at 11:12 am
(Sigh)
Once again, there appears to be NO awareness at all that the original voices for a war with Iran (i.e. Islam) are the voices of the Fundamentalist Jews and Christians; and that the only *real* necessity for such a war is a THEOLOGICAL necessity–which morphs into a political necessity in the same way that Maleficent morphs into a dragon in Walt Disney's Sleeping Beauty.
It appears that people are simply constitutionally blind to the role that theological error plays in political-military conflicts resulting in genocide.
It appears that no one is willing to ask the very simple question: "What is the *origin* of such a political necessity?"
liberal
March 4th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
"Because a deal's a deal and the United States has treaty obligations to protect Israel."
There's no such mutual defense treaty between the US and Israel.
tolemo
March 4th, 2010 at 6:28 am
I don't understand why Iran is such a target of Israel and the US. Does Iran threaten these two countries in some way?Is it because the US still has a grudge about the Iranian revolution? Does Israel just want to destroy anyone in the region who can compete with it? Why do US politicians seem to equate Israel's interests as US interests?(Example: Ron Paul's congressional opponents spoke of supporting Israel as if it was more important than their own Texas Gulf coast)
silas1898
March 4th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Yes, George the Dumber really followed all those treaties.
The US has a rich history of breaking treaties when it suited them. Ask the Native Americans.
Corkey
March 4th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Maybe he needs this type of dictionary to help him write better. LOL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN9mP2_1A-c&fe…
Maidhc Ó Cathail
March 4th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Thanks for another great article, Philip.
The title is misleading, however. Wouldn't this one be more accurate?
"Pro-Israeli Voices In Unison Calling for War with Iran"
jeff davis
March 4th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
This comment is almost certainly provided by a paid Israeli propagandist, although it's somewhat puzzling as to why a Zionist word whore would want to engage the antiwar.com crowd. Anti-war.com's readers know what reality is and no lie no matter how clever can mislead us.
I'm an American and a Jew, and I would like to avoid the coming reaction (ie the next holocaust). When the economy REALLY tanks, and people are REALLY hurting they're gonna look around for someone to blame. When 350 million non-Jewish Americans find out how the American Jewish community preferred ethnic loyalty to national loyalty, how names like Goldman and Sachs head the list of the thieves that "Ponzied" the economies of not just the US, but the entire world, and that the US treasury and military have been used up for the advancement of Zionism, things could get very bad for American Jews.
The US needs to intervene with Israel and correct the problem, and the American Jewish community needs to wake up to the threat and realize that America, not Israel, is "the promised land", and that the Zionist crime-in-progress is the culmination of a five-thousand year long Jewish death wish.
pwi
March 4th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Like the Israeli's would care what is said by you on this site. You can't even change US policy why should Israel give two hoots?.
Phil you must be a college professor, no one else would be so self absorbed as to respond to a poster who doesn't agree with him in lockstep. No PHD for you today Phil. Hint let other's defend your work and hey at least I read it, puts me in a very small minority. Can't Obama not listen to the neocons?
As far as my native english (or should I say American) I'm more af a real American than you, in on honor of that I'm going to go get a Big Mac and a McRib and watch American Idol later…
Cheers!!!
pwi
March 4th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Well more power to them, if they can do it then they should. I begrudge no one their revenge.
Baz
March 4th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
thats the smartest thing i have heard anybody say in a long time
Nelson_2008
March 4th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
First, they called for a "New Pearl Harbor" and they got it. Then, they called for war against Afghanistan and Iraq, and they got it. Now, they're calling for war against Iran (and Syria and Lebanon), and they'll probably get that too.
After the world is in ruins, it'll be too late to stop the madness by investigating the Zionist crime of 9/11. We need to do it now.
liberal
March 4th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
"Heck I wouldn't mind seeing Iran get some for the hostage crises."
Uh huh. By that logic, I'm sure many Iranians wouldn't mind the US "getting some" for our overthrow of their democracy in the 1950s.
Corkey
March 4th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
One of the things that I find strangely similar in all these voices calling for war with Iran: none of the supporters or their families have any intention or desire to do the actual fighting. They want someone else to do it. I think that we should engage each one of these writers and speakers with the question, "So when are you signing up if you believe so strongly in this ?". These people are indeed the worst kinds of elitist cowards that have ever walked the face of the earth. They make me sick.
Claus Eric Hamle
March 4th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
At any rate, 9 scientists(one of them Niels Harrit from Uni of Copenhagen) investigated some of the dust from WTC and they concluded that nano-thermite brought the three buildings down, not the planes. Science is science. Who has access to nano-thermite ? Hardly Bin Laden, I guess. A war with Iran and for no reason at all other than (Israeli) propaganda will likely mean the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. All the crazy warmongers will have to go by horse rather than by car.
fedupandsick
March 4th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
You wouldn't be saying that if they had our war toys. But that's how all bullies think.
Miles Gloriosus
March 4th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Philip:don't be so surprised. However, I guess you hadn't heard. America has gotten herself a "new" motto: "Guns before butter."
juneconsley
March 4th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
the US Government will never divulge to its citizens exactly what it has agreed upon with Israel. It does not serve the interests of American citizens to be subjugated to the actions of Israel — moreover, US Government contracts should be awarded only to American companies who hire American workers — Israel should not be allowed to bid on these same contracts. No cash aid to Israel — this has to stop!
ㅗㅑㅑㅗㅑ
March 5th, 2010 at 1:14 am
Don't bomb Iran build Rods from God instead
Phil Giraldi
March 5th, 2010 at 1:18 am
If you disagree with me you must be blogging from Tel Aviv.Anyone who writes anything bad about Israel's enemies must for Israel.Nobody has a right to say anything against the enemies of Israel.
34343
March 5th, 2010 at 1:21 am
Khomeni was worse than the Shah.
What the US did in Iran in 1953 was of course wrong but the cold war was justified.
ere@hotmail.com
March 5th, 2010 at 1:25 am
Yu forgot your meds
ere@hotmail.com
March 5th, 2010 at 1:28 am
Pappe is a communist.
fdfd@hotmail.com
March 5th, 2010 at 1:29 am
No they just use Hizbollah to do it.
545
March 5th, 2010 at 1:34 am
Make no mistake, Iran's terrorist leaders are well versed in "martyrdom operations" against Americans. Hezbollah, the exclusive terrorist agent of the Islamic Republic of Iran, has killed more Americans than any other group besides al Qaeda. In 1982, Hezbollah carried out the suicide bombing in Beirut that killed 241 U.S. Marines. In 1985, Hezbollah brutally murdered a young U.S. Navy diver aboard their hijacked TWA Flight 847 in Lebanon and dumped his body on the tarmac. Into the 1990s Hezbollah terrorists kidnapped, tortured and murdered several American military and civilian officers as well as other Westerners
45454
March 5th, 2010 at 1:37 am
Robert Baer:
What you have in Iran is a country that is very good at projecting power throughout the Middle East. What they are attempting to do, whether they succeed or not, is essentially build an empire in the Middle East. They justify this imperialistic expansion through an anti-colonial message—for instance, the liberation of Lebanon, of Palestine, etc.—and they have been extraordinarily effective at doing this. I don’t know of any other instance in history where anybody has tried it this way. Past Persian empires have always done this through invasion and occupation. It’s more like an empire by proxy, which is something that’s hard for the average person to understand.
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2008/10/in…
680
March 5th, 2010 at 1:39 am
BAER: Well, they would again prefer proxies and blackmail. The fact that Iran can take control of the Gulf’s oil resources ostensibly puts them in charge of the world’s economy. You might argue that the American military will be there to prevent this, but that’s provided we stay. But you need the military to do this. Do we want to put a million troops in the region to contain Iran and police the Middle East? And engaging the Iranians would be difficult, because any action we undertake could result in a form of proxy retaliation. One of these measures could be shutting down the world’s oil supply. We’re up against a regime with advanced capabilities in guerilla warfare, an extensive network of blackmail and an unassailable message: “We are being colonized!”
FGFGF
March 5th, 2010 at 1:40 am
ROBERT BAER IS BETTER THAN Philip Giraldi,
446
March 5th, 2010 at 1:42 am
Your mother ought to sue the drug companies
Nelson_2008
March 5th, 2010 at 3:00 am
The U.S. government kills "Americans" all the time. Israel kills lots of "Americans", too. So, what's wrong with killing "Americans"? Is it generally wrong to kill "Americans"? Is it ok in a self-defense situation? Please explain when it's ok to kill "Americans" and when it isn't. Thank you.
Nelson_2008
March 5th, 2010 at 3:03 am
Indeed he is; but comedy isn't everything you know.
collinh
March 5th, 2010 at 6:35 am
Your entire premise of pointing to Iran is based on what Louis Freeh has said, while in fact it was proven that the Saudis attempted to steer the CIA, FBI and the U.S. Gov. investigation away from Osama Bin Laden and the Saudi regime.
http://www.counterpunch.org/porter06242009.html
"…..a systematic effort by the Saudis to obstruct any U.S. investigation of the bombing and to deceive the United States about who was responsible for the bombing.
The Saudi regime steered the FBI investigation toward Iran and its Saudi Shi’a allies with the apparent intention of keeping U.S. officials away from a trail of evidence that would have led to Osama bin Laden and a complex set of ties between the regime and the Saudi terrorist organiser."
(*This is the first of a five-part series, "Khobar Towers Investigated: How a Saudi Deception Protected Osama bin Laden". The series was supported by the Fund for Investigative Journalism.)
Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist with Inter-Press Service specialising in U.S. national security policy.
Phil Giraldi
March 5th, 2010 at 8:31 am
I did NOT write the above comment – someone has obviously hacked into the system .
As I said above If you disagree that means that you are a blogger from Tel Aviv. Nobody has any right to write anything bad about Israel's enemies.
45454
March 5th, 2010 at 1:32 am
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008563
We later learned that senior members of the Iranian government, including Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Intelligence and Security and the Spiritual Leader's office had selected Khobar as their target and commissioned the Saudi Hezbollah to carry out the operation
Philip Giraldi
March 5th, 2010 at 8:32 am
Nobody has a right to disagree with me.
pwi
March 5th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Well I'm still going to get a McRib, after all its for a limited time only :)
Phil Giraldi
March 5th, 2010 at 5:15 am
I did NOT write the above comment – someone has obviously hacked into the system
rpoer
March 5th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
spoken like an israeli.
Philip Giraldi
March 5th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
If you don't agree with me you are a zionist blogger.
990099
March 5th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
A 9-11 troofer just shot some policemen outside the Pentagon.
Friends of yours?
rpoer
March 5th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
israel has killed or is responsible for more american deaths than hezbullah even dreams of doing if it even thinks of this.
9-11 and approx 3000 dead goes to israel.
u.s.s liberty with 34 dead. all 298 were targeted for death.
maybe u.s.s. cole with 17 dead.
others i dont know.
bomb israel. put its american traitors in guantanamo
Miles Gloriosus
March 5th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Playing "Dialing for shekels" again, are we?
Exhexisten
March 6th, 2010 at 1:12 am
& Just where do we get soliders & Marines to go fight in Iran? You'll notice those "voices" calling for war aren't volunteering to go themselves. They're more of the same: loser parasites that like wasting bodies & treasure.
Fascinating that we drove into Iraq & Afghanistan to "impose" democracy (an oxymoron if there ever was one) & that now they wanna do battle with the only real democracy in Central Asia.
Philip Giraldi
March 6th, 2010 at 5:40 am
Gareth Porter is a Kymer Rouge apologist. He has zero credibility.
marshall
March 6th, 2010 at 5:54 am
446 = ostrich
bogi666
March 6th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
The propaganda about "Israel being wiped off the map" is a lie. The statement is mistranslated purposely by the Zionist Zealots. The meaning of the statement being that the creation of Israel in Palestine is meant to purge Europe of Jews by creating Israel, by the British colonialists, in Palestine rather than having them located in Europe. The Zionists, including the christian zionists, misinterpreted the remarks turning it into another lie.
Nelson_2008
March 7th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Speaking of Mothers, does your Mommy know you're at the computer again? It's time for you to stop bothering the adults online and get back to your Talmudic studies. Run along now.
Nelson_2008
March 7th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
No, but thanks for taking some time away from your Talmudic studies to participate here.
Carpenter
March 8th, 2010 at 12:45 am
Iran has been the target of Washington's attacks for many decades. Back in the 1950s, the CIA in its Operation Ajax funded a coup against the democratically elected president Mohammed Mossadegh, and installed the shah in his place in 1953. Mossadegh had moved to nationalize the country's oil and take it out of the hands of the British, thereby upsetting the post-colonial order where Middle Eastern countries were still to be ruled by Western puppet regimes. The shah's CIA-sponsored coup bombed mosques and blamed it on Mossadegh, claiming that he led a communist government. Once the shah was installed, two and a half decades of tyranny followed.
Groups larger than a few people in the streets were banned. The people could meet in groups only in mosques, which made the revolution religiously influenced. The U.S. could then brand the anti-shah revolution an outbreak of religious fanaticism, and dismiss any other explanations. Sanctions followed in an attempt to strangle Iran economically. The U.S. strongman in the Middle East, Saddam Hussein, was encouraged to invade Iraq, with American funding and supplies, and TWO MILLION Iraqis and Iranians died as a result. Post-colonial puppet regimes like the House of Saud sought to isolate Iran politically in the Middle East even after the war, branding the Iranians aggressors.
As we know, the treatment of Iran got even worse once the Zionist neocons entered the White House under Bush. When Iran offered to negotiate about everything the U.S. asked for, they were rebuffed and the offer got little publicity in the media. Instead they were branded part of an "axis of evil" by Zionist speech writer David Frum, lumped in with the former U.S. ally Saddam Hussein. When Iran offered to use its extensive contacts in Afghanistan to help topple the Taliban, they were again rebuffed, even though their offer could potentially save American lives; it wouldn't look good to show Americans that the Iranians were not part of a vast Taliban-alQaeda-Saddam Hussein-etc conspiracy to take over the world.
When the Iranian president quoted a decades-old speech by the Supreme Ayatollah, about how the Tel Aviv regime like the Soviet regime would eventually pass from the pages of history, it was misquoted as the infamous "wipe Israel off the map" line, which to this day remains one of the two main arguments for attacking Iran with nuclear weapons.
The second argument is that Iran would have nuclear weapons, and would be planning to use them in a fanatic suicide attack against Israel and the U.S., two nuclear-armed countries that would then kill every Iranian in retaliation. This even though the CIA, and UN weapons inspectors, have stated very clearly that there is no trace of a nuclear weapons program in Iran, and that Iranians don't have any plans for one and have in fact signed and upheld the nuclear proliferation treaty.
(And even if they would have nuclear weapons, why do we accept the media argument that it would justify killing Iranians? Israel has had illegal nuclear, biological and chemical weapons for decades, and it remains the most aggressive country in the Middle East. Iran is surrounded by nuclear states, most of them U.S. allies: Pakistan and India in the east, China in the north-east, Russia in the north, Israel in the west. American nuclear submarines and American strategic missiles.)
At this point, I almost hope the U.S. does attack Iran on Israel's behalf. This attempt to remove one of the last countries that support the Palestinian and Lebanese resistance financially and diplomatically, would create an immense backlash in Iraq and elsewhere. Iran would sink U.S. ships in the Gulf with Russian rockets, and they could mine the Gulf shut. The oil price would skyrocket, hastening the arrival of the second great Depression. The U.S. will cease being a superpower when that happens. And many, many Americans will wake up and seek ways to weaken the Washington cabal's influence, both domestically and abroad.
mother of boys
March 10th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
The cycles of violence continue. I think the current drama with the U.S. and Iran and Israel has its roots in WWII when the U.S. did not help or protect Jewish people — the U.S. did business with Nazis too. The U.S. turned away refugees, creating a powerful mythology of guilt for the U.S. participation and indifference to the Holocaust. Today, there seems to be collective amnesia about this. So, the U.S. is obsequious towards Israel now, and Palestinians suffer and die in prison. Zionists would also have to take responsibility for their own role in Nazism. And the "bad guy" wasn't just Hitler but all the people he gave free reign to do whatever they wanted — and they did — as well as all those who did nothing, even profited.
Eve
March 11th, 2010 at 3:09 am
The US was under no obligation to help the Jewish people during WWII, even if it is assumed.
US citizens living today should feel zero guilt, regardless of how the media tries to impose this guilt on Americans. Gee, I wonder why?
The US is still under no obligation to help Israeli's or anyone else besides tax-paying US citizens.
The sooner US citizens recognize this, the better.
CompassionateFascist
March 21st, 2010 at 3:51 am
Bunk, Mr. Baer. The last time Iran (Persia) attacked anyone was about 470 BC. Iran will be attacked by the US because at some future time it MIGHT threaten the existence of the fake-"state" of Israel. And why this? Because the domestic Zionist Jewish (Pipes, Applebaum, Cohen, etc.) money+media power controls virtually all of our politicians, and they will do what they have to do to finance and enable their endless electioneering. When the dust settles, and our economy lies in ruins along with most of the Middle East. we had better rise up and overthrow the ZOG before it finishes us off too.