WASHINGTON – It is all too clear why we can’t seem to protest our way out of this war.
And as a result, the war itself may never end. In fact, Gen. Stanley McChrystal recently suggested that “Operation Enduring Freedom” in Afghanistan may be just that – “enduring” – for a very, very long time.
But what is just as important as what the generals say is what the public says, and after spending time with Rolling Thunder over the Memorial Day weekend, it is clear that the national identity is still so dependent on the military and war and the iconography of sacrifice, that to penetrate it with a message of anything otherwise continues to be nearly impossible.
Except for a few stray years after Vietnam, war is and has been the apotheosis of what it means to be an American, the lifeblood of our collective experience, the test of our strength of a nation. It’s a religious experience, one that demands sacrifice and unconditional faith and a set of beliefs. It provides idols and saints and holy days, too.
Rolling Thunder has become the ultimate pilgrimage in this regard, even though it was founded at first to demand accounting for American prisoners of war and the missing in action in Vietnam. It soon evolved, naturally, into an annual cathartic event for Vietnam veterans who long felt rejected and forgotten by the American public, in large part because their inglorious war had become a stain on the national war canon.
But after 22 years, Rolling Thunder has not only grown and taken
firm root in Washington’s Memorial Day calendar, drawing more than a
quarter of a million veterans and friends on their motorcycles each
year, it has emboldened a change in the way the Vietnam experience is
viewed. Not only could we have “won” Vietnam – if it weren’t for all
those Democratic defeatist bureaucrats and hippie protesters – but
“never again” now means never denying the military carte blanche to
meet perceived security threats to our country with force.
“Any enemy of the U.S. should be killed – at least twice,” exclaimed Jack Quigley, founder of the national ‘Nam Knights Motorcycle Club, which was started by police officers in New Jersey. They don’t truck much with dissent, and it’s pretty clear who they pull the lever for on Election Day.
“We need as many troops as it takes to accomplish the mission in as short of a time as possible,” said Quigley. When asked about the idea that more troops and more force may not ultimately win a non-conventional war against a stateless enemy, he was aghast that such thinking might exist. “There is no room for the gutless in our ranks,” he said.
Other responses were just as aggressive. “I think we should have bombed them back into the Stone Age,” one rider from the Viet Nam Motorcycle Club said of the Taliban. He suggested nukes. “Turn the desert into a glass factory.”
When I pointed out that the Taliban lives and operates among the population we are supposedly trying to secure in Afghanistan, another shrugged and said, “There’s always going to be collateral damage.”
Ironically, it was “collateral damage,” an estimated 72,000 civilian casualties during the U.S.-led “Rolling Thunder” bombing campaign against North Vietnam from 1965 to 1968, that helped to tarnish the military’s reputation back then, especially since the U.S. did not ultimately “win the war,” but instead sent home 58,000 dead Americans, leaving behind our pride and more than a million dead Vietnamese, plus millions dead in neighboring Laos and Cambodia, a scorched earth, and a communist government in the north.
Twenty years ago, Vietnam veterans were more prone to blaming a government that had “lied” about the true threat of communism, that had taken advantage of their patriotism and willingness to serve as sons of the “Greatest Generation,” in order to engage in an elaborate geo-political chess game with Russia and China.
But that talk is largely gone among the Rolling Thunder crowd – which is arguably more mainstream, more reflective of the aforementioned national identity, despite their leather and long beards and tattoos, than ever before. In retrospect, it is not that the government “lied” but that the “generals’ hands were tied.” And, as if to make up for this malfeasance in Vietnam, they insist the same thing won’t be tolerated in Afghanistan by any red-blooded American today.
“It’s exactly the same, there is no difference” between the Washington bungling of the war in Vietnam and the operations overseas today, said a Vietnam veteran named Ray from Louisville, Ky. “If they just stopped their damned PC [political correctness] … we could finish it.”
“I’m frustrated by the political correctness, it’s not allowing us to fight the war the way we ought to,” said another vet. “It’s become a PC war.”
“It’s all political bullsh*t,” said another. “You send them there to fight, let them fight. Let the generals do their jobs.”
Now while the “hands tied” thesis has always been popular, today it takes on special significance in that the current crop of “counterinsurgents” (or as Andrew Bacevich calls them, “crusaders”) among the military power elite have used it to advance their own counterinsurgency agenda in Iraq and Afghanistan. Their theory follows a similar vein – that counterinsurgency in Vietnam was beginning to work until Washington pulled the plug. In essence, the generals who had “figured it out” were circumvented by public emotion and skittish bureaucrats, foiling what could have been a great military success in Vietnam and suppressing the military’s development of counterinsurgency doctrine for decades to come – until now.
The accuracy of this interpretation of Vietnam, of course, is in dispute. In fact, writer Nick Turse has called out this reshaping of military history as a conscious movement led by top military players like Gen. David Petraeus as a convenient way to sell and justify the current Long War. Writer John Prados has referred to this as not mere “revisionism,” but “neo-orthodoxy.”
The manifestations of this are clearly
felt in places like Rolling Thunder, which now incorporate multiple
generations of veterans, including new vets from Iraq and Afghanistan,
who enshrine the battles of Fallujah and Nasiriyah on their leather
vests and in air brushed tributes on their fuel tanks just like their
Vietnam predecessors did for Khe Sanh and Tet. Their cries are not
about why
their brethren have fallen, but what they can do to fight harder, in
order to make the current sacrifice worth something.
This is a natural, human response that cannot be dismissed as contrived. As one Vietnam vet with two sons currently in the service told me, “To say the war wasn’t worth it would be to say they all died for nothing.”
But this natural defense has had deleterious effects. It has fed and reinforced a religious nationalism based on military prowess and the unquestioned sacrifice of generations of men and women to prove our dedication.
The Republican Party has artfully appropriated and suffused these impulses with their own political agenda, creating for itself an oversized, misplaced masculinity, which it uses to shame and belittle opponents and in the last 10 years, fight for more war, more weapons, more tax dollars to grow the military-industrial complex and American military influence abroad.
(Though Rolling Thunder riders will say it is a nonpartisan event, it’s safe to say President Obama was the least popular guy there on Sunday, save for “Hanoi Jane” Fonda, who remains, after 40 years, a pariah among Vietnam veterans.)
Sure, Republicans hardly account for a little more than a quarter of the American electorate today. But they have managed to set the tone by taking such a firm, proprietary grip of our proud military touchstones, effectively intermingling our definitions of patriotism, freedom, and even independence with support for the military. All this, made real in such large gatherings as Rolling Thunder, is difficult to penetrate.
And it is sanctioned by our civic institutions – the Pentagon allows Rolling Thunder to stage in their parking lots, the city of Fairfax and the state of Virginia shut down entire stretches of roads and highways each year to accommodate the riders – indicating this is more than a partisan enclave, but a mainstream ratification.
There was one Vietnam veteran who did not want to give me his name who had a slightly different point of view Sunday. “I had a funny feeling about it from the beginning. I don’t think we should have gone over there [Afghanistan] in the first place. Let them kill each other. When we leave it’s just going to go back to the way it was.”
But this vet spends a great deal of his spare time attending military funerals, and, like several veterans I spoke to Sunday, he felt that truly supporting the troops meant remaining neutral, if not outright supportive of the Washington policies that sent them off to war in the first place. In fact, their patriotism depends on it. “I may disagree with the policy, but we’re always ready to serve,” Ernie Sheldon, a veteran from of North Carolina, told me.
That is what the Washington national security establishment is counting on: a population that is willing to support and serve the war machine, irrespective of the policy’s virtue. It has become part of our identity as Americans to think this way, and for this reason it has been difficult for the antiwar movement to compete.
Yes, there was one victory to come
out of Vietnam, and it was the battle against dissent. And for that,
despite the nobility of Rolling Thunder’s original charge and the
earnestness of most, many of its tens of thousands of bikers are doing
victory laps around the war memorials in Washington each year.
(All photos by Kelley Vlahos, 2010.)
Read more by Kelley B. Vlahos
- War Inc. Shifts Homeward – May 21st, 2012
- The Rape of Our Military Women – May 14th, 2012
- The Hive and the Heterodoxy – May 7th, 2012
- Waking Up to the Drones – April 30th, 2012
- How Think Tanks Think – April 23rd, 2012






Rolling Aholes
June 1st, 2010 at 4:50 am
These idiots pollute the heck out of any event they go to. You'd think they'd care about the country enough not to dump their trash everywhere.
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andy
June 1st, 2010 at 5:20 am
So sad. Americans are such misguided dupes. Hey this is the country that created yellow journalism after all. Look how Americans bought into the Wellington House propaganda about Germany. Or the "attack" in the Gulf of Tonkin (an "attack" which somehow failed to cause one single casualty). Or the nonsense about WMD in Iraq. The real truth is that almost all Americans who died in the military died needlessly and didn't defend or preserve any American "freedoms" at all. Aren't Sweden and Switzerland free? They have both been at peace for 200 years. America could have had peace with Spain in 1898 and with the central powers in 1917. Had America avoided entry into WW1, there would have been no WW2 either. Subsequent wars in Vietnam and elsewhere were not just wars, didn't defend America, or safeguard its freedoms. Quite the opposite. Look at the Sedition act in WW1 or the internment of Japanese-Americans in WW2. Or the atrocity at Kent State in 1970.
Strider55
June 1st, 2010 at 6:38 am
"The generals' hands were tied/Our hands were tied" sounds suspiciously like the German "stab in the back" excuse after World War I.
One wonders if the Pentagon is financing and/or advising Rolling Thunder and similar groups. Given the "experts" they have paid to spin the current wars in the media, I wouldn't be surprised.
I'd love to airdrop thousands of copies of Smedley Butler's War is a Racket onto the next RT gathering. Would they dare smear the only 2-time Medal of Honor recipient as a PC coward?
Max
June 1st, 2010 at 6:56 am
In the land of Orwell, American post 9-11
Defete = victory
Slavery = freedom
Truth = fiction
Hubris = Patriotism
M
RockyRococo
June 1st, 2010 at 7:25 am
The words Freikorps and Stahlhelm come to mind.
Lloyd G.
June 1st, 2010 at 10:09 am
I work and live around people like this. Like it or not, these people are working class/lower middle class white America. You can laugh at them, call them idiots, dupes and proto-Nazis, but there are a lot more people like this than subscribe to the anti-war/anti-interventionist cause.
I've been to a lot of peace protests, rallies, marches, etc. Too often the attitude of the participants is one of generalized disdain for America — not just its foreign policy, but everything that working class/lower middle class Americans cherish. That's to be expected, since the main groups (ANSWER, United for Peace and Justice) organizing events are Marxist, or at least pink, in orientation.
So here we are. 9 years into the GWOT. The anti-war movement is withering and clueless as to why.
Phil Giraldi
June 1st, 2010 at 10:55 am
As a vet myself who has ridden in Rolling Thunder, I think it's easy to forget what Vietnam era vets went through when they returned home. I remember being spat at and cursed in Union Station in Baltimore by a group of hippy protesters back in 1969. Many RT riders are decent folks who in reality wouldn't hurt a fly but they are attempting to validate their own military experience by lining up in support of America's current crop of wars. I know I had some interesting discussions with a few of them about Iraq when I rode about four years ago and they were receptive to the idea that the war made no sense. Of course the fact that I was also a vet from their generation meant that they did not regard me as the enemy. The RT leadership has been, unfortunately, completely coopted by the Republicans.
Robert Charron
June 1st, 2010 at 12:22 pm
An honest, intelligent appraisal so often missing in the mainstream media of today. It is important for our suvival to reflect on where we are today and where we are going.
GradyWilson
June 1st, 2010 at 10:33 am
I think the "Dirty Hippies spat on the poor Vietnam Vets" is BS. There is no documentation of this. It first came up in Johnny Rambo's First Blood. I bet most Vietnam Vets would have beat the hell out of any pencil armed, stoned, long haired hippies who spat on them – justifiably.
Great column by Ms. Vlahos. Especially showing how the state – the generals, the Pentagon, etc. are creating this narrative and playing these vets as chumps. These are the same people who claim to hate the state being lead by the collar by the state, praising killing for the state.
Phil Giraldi
June 1st, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Are you saying I am lying Grady? I was in uniform and you were not…there were lots of demonstrations wherever there were bodies of troops moving, in those days often by train or bus. I know a number of fellow soldiers who were roughed up or harassed. For that reason we always tried to travel in civilian clothes, but the army regs required that we wear uniforms to quality for cheap fares, Catch-22.
OBSERVER
June 1st, 2010 at 8:48 pm
AMERICAN WARS TODAY,
IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE A LION WHO IS IN OLD AGE ATTACKING GOATS AND SHEEPS.
WHAT A WAY OF SHOWING POWER AND BRAVENESS.
Jeremiah
June 1st, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Whenever I see my fellow countrymen glorying in the fact that they were eminently expendable chattel of the state—whenever they spit on peace and liberty and tout the virtues of slavish obedience, even unto death—my hope for the future dies a little.
Good luck
June 2nd, 2010 at 1:39 am
Rolling Thunder is about political power and maintaining what Sec Gates calls 'inviolable' benefits.
Don
June 2nd, 2010 at 2:09 am
Right on the money, Andy. For corroboration, read Walter karp's "The Politics of War." An excellent book covering 1894 to 1918.
Jruss
June 2nd, 2010 at 4:06 am
It's both sad for these uneducated guys and scary since they're often heavily armed and full of contempt for anyone advocating peace. It's really anger at their own foolishness, redirected at anyone who disagrees with them. Of course they're full of sh*t. A bunch of simple minded folk who like simple answers to complicated issues. It's all they can handle. Does the fact that we lost the war in Vietnam and weren't invaded by Vietcong have any significance? Hello! Domino theory laid to rest along with the 58K Americans and millions of Asians. What more proof does one need to understand the idiocy of that war? Let's call them what they are: anti-social psychopaths who love violence. There's a racist component to that crowd as well. We allowed this revisionism to blossom to some extent. There's a reactionary faction in every society. Something about the American character has allowed this incredible hubris and arrogance to flourish. Sure, one could run down the litany of lies and aggression perpetrated by our nation over the years. I recommend Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States." It's easy to get freaked out about the large numbers of these guys but remember there's no foreign counterpart to these morons who think Vietnam was a righteous cause. The whole world is still watching. Other societies who've experienced war at home have no sympathy for these creeps. The Vietnam War memorial is very appropriate in this sense: it's not a celebration of their cause, it's a remembrance of the tragic folly of that war.
Truth matters
June 2nd, 2010 at 2:19 pm
You are an ignorant fool who knows nothing of which you speak. I actually work at the Pentagon and know for a fact that what you wrote is a lie. Additionally, there was not one incident of violence during the weekend during the mass gathering.
Jeremiah
June 3rd, 2010 at 12:27 am
That strain of "Antiwar Conservatism and Middle American Anti-Imperialism" that Bill Kauffman discusses in his fine contribution to the American Empire Project has to be out there, somewhere. The inheritors of the spirit of the Old Right must be waiting at derelict whistle-stops and lurking in obscure bungalows in Peoria. They simply must be.
I mean, here I am—obscure, precariously middle class, and, like my forbears from beyond living memory, rural. And I abominate the warfare state. I detest the empire. I mourn the lost promise of the old Republic.
I can't be alone, can I? There must be others out there. There MUST be.
Strider55
June 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Sounds like y'all should have carried a set of civvies with you, then gone into the lavatory and changed after departure. Not like they were going to turn the plane/bus/train around in retaliation.
However, Grady does make one good point. Knock the crap out of just a few of those hippie flakes and the rest would have fled in terror and never bothered a soldier again. (Weren't there any MPs around to protect you?) I wonder how many of those drug-addled morons realized that the vast majority of vets were draftees who never wanted any part of the Army or the war.
Bianca
June 8th, 2010 at 3:27 am
This hits at the heart of the matter. It is exactly what bothers me a great deal. I hate to be anti-war. I am pro-America. But somehow, much of the anti-war crowd forgets that our common anguish is one: we want our country to be respected, looked-up to, prosperous and free. And we are heading down a slippery slope of wars that benefit some, and ruin the country in the long run.
Yes, I can blame these people for the pathetic ways they are used for political purposes. But that won't do. They may be the lower middle class white America. But they genuinely love their country. The Antiwar movement needs to see what brings about endless wars, and find a common language of love for their country with people from all walks of life. If this is ever going to come, it will be from our young men and women in the uniform.