Mosque Demagoguery Is Bipartisan
Is the controversy over building a mosque near Ground Zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?
It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”
The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.
Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “Ground Zero.”
Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate raises the question of just why and driven by whom?
In my opinion, it has come from the neoconservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.
They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for ill-conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.
The claim that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.
The 19 suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong anti-American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al-Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.
Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.
This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult, if not impossible.
There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us, but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?
If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.
The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.
Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition, conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the Left, which now claims to defend the property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, defends the property rights of American private businesses.
Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam – the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.
It is repeatedly said that 64 percent of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75 percent of the people insisted that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as much as individual dictators. Statistics of support are irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society – protecting liberty.
The outcry over the building of the mosque near Ground Zero implies that Islam itself was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the 19 suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neoconservatives’ aggressive wars.
The House speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding an investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque – a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the rule of law – in order to look tough against Islam.
This is all about hate and Islamophobia.
We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the Right and the Left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.
Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.
Read more by Rep. Ron Paul
- What No One Wants to Hear About Benghazi – May 13th, 2013
- Liberty Was Also Attacked in Boston – April 28th, 2013
- Congress Exploits Our Fears to Take Our Liberty – April 21st, 2013
- Why Can’t We All Travel To Cuba? – April 15th, 2013
- Neo-Con War Addiction Threatens Our Future – March 24th, 2013





Augustus
August 23rd, 2010 at 12:11 am
"because some Christians supported the neoconservatives’ aggressive wars"
Paul's phrasing implies that neoconservatives are a non-Christian group quite distinct from "some Christians" who "supported" them. But this distorts the fact that millions of Christians, including many in the military, are neoconservatives themselves. It's as if Paul is using the term "neoconservative" as a code word for a different group, a completely non-Christian group and a nefarious one at that, that seduced "some Christians" into supporting it. But Paul knows that there are in fact many Christians who are driving forces of neoconservatism, like John Bolton, Newt Gingrich, and John Hagee.
Augustus
August 23rd, 2010 at 12:32 am
"This is all about hate and Islamophobia."
There's truth in this assertion, but that's not the whole of it. The proposed Islamic center is near enough to Ground Zero that it strikes many of the New Yorkers who lost loved ones as a deliberate provocation. The majority of these denizens are not Muslim, and understandably feel hostility towards Islam, even if their sentiments seem irrational to Paul. The fact that the other 1900 mosques across the country aren't targets of hate campaigns should suggest to Paul that the country as a whole isn't bigoted, and that there's something askew about this particular mosque and the imam behind it.
Augustus
August 23rd, 2010 at 12:33 am
The facts do support the claim that Islamic violence is committed only by a tiny fringe among Muslims. But the facts also support the claim that sharia law is inherently intolerant and anti-constitutional. The imam behind the mosque is reported as wanting to promote sharia law in American society. When people learn about the intolerance of those who impose sharia law elsewhere in the world, and come to see the dangers in it, they are often smeared as "Islamophobic". A "phobia" is an irrational fear, but their reaction isn't truly irrational.
James
August 23rd, 2010 at 1:13 am
"But the facts also support the claim that sharia law is inherently intolerant"
Please provide your argument for this or refrain from using straw man arguments.
Last I heard is Amurica is a free republic and anybody can support whatever hew wants, if enoughn people do not like or want it, no one can force them.
Peddle your crap somewhere else.
Montaigne
August 23rd, 2010 at 1:48 am
A rarely glimpse of sanity this viewpoint from Ron Paul. Utterly natural and dignified. I have the rather startling feeling, that this is precisely the kind of human being a modern society does NOT need. A gullible population, doing and thinking what their masters deem better overall is the modern society's need.
Think how difficult it would be, if authorities met intelligent and difficult to persuade people! That spin was useless. Lobbying a waste of effort. Advertising worthless beyound telling facts. That greed would be less than endless, replaced by prudence and deliberateness.
That would be a threat against the societal order of endless greed applauded by the leaders of corporations, and nursed throughout their organizations. You have the replacement of semi-beings for real people. For that is exactly wehat entities like a corporation or a state are. The dawn of the living dead! And this attack backed both from left and right for various reasons.
janeblakenship
August 23rd, 2010 at 2:45 am
Call it what you want to call it but for me, I will call it racism.
Jane
ScottC
August 23rd, 2010 at 4:50 am
Ummm, read the news, Mosques all across the country are being opposed. Go to Alternet, read the accounts of anti-Muslim violence and acts which are on the rise.
ScottC
August 23rd, 2010 at 4:58 am
Your claim about Sharia is flatly false. Sharia would allow Muslims to opt in, as well as others. But historically, Jews would live according to Jewish law and Christians (lacking any such protocols of governance) would be able to live under Common or whatever law they wish. The Quran and Islam are the only, of the 3 Abrahamic traditions that is tolerant–even to the point that Muslims are charged with protecting "people of the book."
If you are earnest, I challenge you to go to your local Mosque and go to an intro to Islam class. Muslims, you may or may not have noticed, don't proselytize like Christians do. They are told to explain their faith. You can ask uncomfortable questions whatever, so long as you are fair and sincere. The prohibitions against images of the profit aren't meant to suppress discussion/dissent, they are to prevent people from worshiping Mohammad. For example Buddha said, "I'm not a god, don't worship me" yet they do/did. Jesus never claimed to be god nor did he ask anyone to worship him, but the Trinity was invented from whole cloth by an Algerian Dictator (Constantine)
ScottC
August 23rd, 2010 at 5:01 am
You write of greed. It seems men are driven by sex, greed or power. One can only ejaculate what 7-8 times a day, one can only consume a finite quantity of drugs, but there ain't no limit to greed of money or power.
june8642
August 23rd, 2010 at 5:09 am
Why has a reply which stated only facts — no hype or propaganda — has been erased from this site? If anyone writes on this site about money for Israel — or exactly who were the instagators for the war with Iraq — neoconservatives of whom a majoriity are Jews. have their comments erased!
john
August 23rd, 2010 at 5:20 am
Foe once Joe Biden was right when he said that this Republican party is not your father's Republican party; indeed it is not the Republican Party of Robert Taft. It is a party completely entralled to the wackos like Newt Gingrich , the neo-conservatives and their followers in The Tea Party who prove what F Lee Bailey opined along time ago– that if The Bill of Rights had to be passed by Congress in this day and age it wouldn't even make it out of committee. With the neo-cons and the neo-Republicans the fourth through eight amendments as well as habeas corpus were jettisoned, and now the first amendment is being challenged. leaving the only amendment, the second, which is really all they care about anyway. They don't understand the the government was not formed to distribute rights; the goverment was formed to protect the rights the people already have. The Bill of Rights was added to The Constitution to define the unaligable rights American have. The Founding Fathers did not trust government or the uninformed masses, and it turns out they were correct. To say ones has rights but should not use them is to the deny the right exists.
Oldtimer
August 23rd, 2010 at 5:47 am
Hagee, a christian?????
peacenik
August 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 am
If only we had more lawmakers like Ron Paul we could become the shining beacon on the hill the other Ron talked about.
Montaigne
August 23rd, 2010 at 6:45 am
Yes!
Mezenc
August 23rd, 2010 at 7:55 am
Agree with Ron Paul on property rights. You could drum up 64% to oppose any new construction in Manhattan. Construction makes getting to and from work harder and thats the primary concern of most New Yorkers.
However, I am not pleased that the honorable Ron Paul states as fact that 19 suiciders did 9/11. Rep. Paul has absolutely not a shred of credible, reliable evidence for the official government story. Is there anything else that Ron Paul would believe with no evidence?
He is right that a big part of it is stirring up hatred of Muslims. The rest of 9/11's motivation was probably greed.
Guest
August 23rd, 2010 at 8:41 am
Well said.
Islam did not cause "9/11." American foreign policy caused 9/11.
masmanz
August 23rd, 2010 at 8:56 am
How is it a deliberate provocation unless you really believe that the Muslims fo New York are somehow responsible for the 9/11 terrorism? Those who started a hate campaign against this mosque have also started hate campaign against the other Mosque and indeed against Muslims and Islam itself.
Dovglass
August 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 am
For a similar perspective, see the following article:
"Why? Because promoting a “culture-clash” between the “West” and Islam is seen as a way to bolster support for Israel and to sustain a permanent US “War on Terror.”"
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/08/pro-israel-extremis…
JAcko
August 23rd, 2010 at 10:06 am
Who is behind this demonstration of hate? Who else but the Corporations and their bankers. Nothing like shifting peoples anger and hatred from white collar crime (that has brought our nation to its financial knees) to 9/11 Muslim hatred. It's called bait and switch! Anyone who can't see this is a moron. Neoconservatives don't want to talk about the real issues. The only real issues they care about are how to push all the debt caused by white collar crime in America on to the back of the middle class.
max
August 23rd, 2010 at 10:59 am
so sad that even the MSM is calling it " ground zero mosque" =
so sad that the excellent interview of Daisy Khan adn Rabbi Joy Levitt not played Over and Over in its entirety! 2 smart women talking facts without emotion or politcs or demig…ogue. WE ARE IN SUCH TROUBLE with so many politicians and news 'reporters' trying to foment hate !
Matt Barganier
August 23rd, 2010 at 11:08 am
Augustus:
You're misreading this, perhaps intentionally. It does not imply that neoconservatives are "a completely non-Christian group"; one classification is religious and the other is political. If I write "because some Mormons supported the Republicans' opposition to gay marriage," would that imply that Republicans are a completely non-Mormon group? Of course not.
Try harder next time.
Matt Barganier
August 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 am
No, only people who say stupid, bigoted things that get reported to the administrators have their comments erased.
tamiliam
August 24th, 2010 at 6:50 am
Your understanding is clouded. The full sentence reads as follows: "This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neoconservatives’ aggressive wars." In this context, every single person who hold neoconservative views could also be Christian. The message is simple: don't blame everyone for the acts of a minority few. Get language lessons.
tamiliam
August 24th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Scott, you over simplify. Sharia has issues, as well, and may appear very alien indeed to non-believers, and to those of us who are accustomed to the English and American Legal Systems that heavily rely on precedence.
And, Scott, Muslims proselytize, just like Christians. They may not do so in your part of the world, but they do in mine. Sometimes it's subtle, and indirect; other times it is overt and blatant.
tamiliam
August 24th, 2010 at 7:17 am
I'm not a fan of Rep. Ron Paul, but this is probably one of the best retort against the Islamic Center 'nontroversy'. His use of soccer as an analogy is simply a stroke of brilliance. And, I also find myself nodding in agreement with Paul's argument on why neoconservatives have taken up this issue and are driving the US against a war with Islam itself. Makes a lot of sense, actually. How else to make sense of this foolish posturing against Muslims, particularly when the US forces have put their lives in line to win the hearts and minds of Muslims in two hostile countries? It undermines the war effort, and gives succor to enemies, but for some reason the self-proclaimed patriots don't seem to care.
kmichaels
August 24th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Ron Paul is entirely missing the point.
Let me give an example, Americans have a right to bear arms. Ok, so most people would agree to this idea. Now, we have the right, so what do we do with that right? We go into public and wave the gun around, in a crowd of children. Ok. what happens next? Ron Paul and Barry Obama stand up and defend this person's gun rights, or do they wisely focus on the fact that this idiot should not be waving his gun around in public?
Which is the issue? Property rights to own a gun? Or the fact that this guy with the gun was a complete and utter ahole, that although he had a right to own a gun, he committed a gross error by waving it around in public, where any idiot would know that it would incite some negative feelings?
Ok, so, it is pretty obvious that this Mosque and it's proposed location is doing just that. It is inciting some pretty serious negative feelings.
What is the wise solution? Put the gun away and go wave it around where it might be more appreciated.
kmichaels
August 24th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Interesting talking point. Sort of like guns being opposed all around the nation, but the only guy with a gun that should be opposed is the jerk in this following story.
Americans have a right to bear arms. Ok, so most people would agree to this idea. Now, we have the right, so what do we do with that right? We go into public and wave the gun around, in a crowd of children. Ok. what happens next? Ron Paul and Barry Obama stand up and defend this person's gun rights, or do they wisely focus on the fact that this idiot should not be waving his gun around in public?
Which is the issue? Property rights to own a gun? Or the fact that this guy with the gun was a complete and utter ahole, that although he had a right to own a gun, he committed a gross error by waving it around in public, where any idiot would know that it would incite some negative feelings?
Ok, so, it is pretty obvious that this Mosque and it's proposed location is doing just that. It is inciting some pretty serious negative feelings.
What is the wise solution? Put the gun away and go wave it around where it might be more appreciated.
kmichaels
August 24th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Really? So you are saying that 70% of Americans are thinking that these particular muslims are the ones that did 911? I am against this mosque and I don't believe these same muslims are responsible for 911. However, I do think they are responsible for blindly and openly insulting the majority of Americans that will naturally look upon this as a national insult. But you know best. It must be because we think all muslims are identical. And the growing number of muslims that are all against this mosque must also, as you think and said, think that the other muslims must be responsible for 911. I am amazed at how much blatant stupidity exists in the minds of people too simpleminded to see reality as it stands. Reality is that 70% of Americans believe it is an open insult. Whether it was intended as an open insult or not, it sure in heck comes across that way.
kmichaels
August 24th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Muslims choosing this location even though the vast majority of Americans using their right to free speech to verbally oppose it have the right to be nincompoops and addle-minded fools, just like all the idiots that support them in this most retarded of ventures. God bless America and the right to free speech and the right to protest some dimwitted misguided muslim venture.
Property rights is the only issue here huh? Seriously, what kind of comedian writes Ron Paul's ridiculous assessments?
Augustus
August 24th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Your "could also be" is sophistry. It's widely known which group is suggested by the neoconservative label. It's implied by Paul that neoconservatives are a group distinct from Christians. This distancing is predictable because the very label brings one's community into ill repute, and invites guilt by association.
kmichaels
August 24th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Funny, but I thought the 19 terrorists caused it, plus their fellow muslim team behind the scenes. Silly me, it was really American foreign policy that FORCED muslims to murder 3000 fellow human beings, sort of how the Jews forced Hitler to kill millions of them since they decided that banking might be a good job.
kmichaels
August 24th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Wow, if these sort of followers are the type that congregate around Ron Paul he must really have some serious delusions to sell them. Right, the bankers are controlling 70% of Americans forcing them to say during a polling question that they disagree with the mosque going into that location. Yeehah, you're all a bunch of lunatics.
kmichaels
August 24th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
If they were two "smart" women they would understand where the anger from 70% of Americans was actually coming from. I mean, how DUMB do you have to be not to see the obvious elephant in the room?
Augustus
August 24th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Your argument would be more persuasive if the words "Republican" and "neoconservative" were perfectly analogous, but they're not. The two words are not simply "political" classifications. The term "Republican" doesn't have nearly as narrow a connotation. I've never read that "Republican" is a code word for anything specific. It's disingenuous to suggest that the term "neoconservative" is purely political.
kmichaels
August 24th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Next thing you will tell us that we fought Nazis in order to win the hearts and minds of the German people, and that we fought the Japanese to win the hearts and minds of the Japanese people. No, we fought them because they were being aggressive aholes.
Matt Barganier
August 24th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
"It's widely known which group is suggested by the neoconservative label" — no, it's widely asserted by neoconservatives that "neoconservative" means a specific ethnic or religious group. That's not at all what Ron Paul wrote or implied, as any non-troll can see.
kmichaels
August 24th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
The odd part of your theory is that the most muslim dominated countries in the world do not practice the pablum version of Sharia law that you just spewed. Perhaps either you or millions of muslims simply misread something.
And Jesus did claim to be the way and the light. I suspect there was more to his claims than you currently think.
John 14:
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Luke 22: (Jesus speaking:)
69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Then of course, this one is a hard one to spin your way out of …
John 10:
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Then of course you have the records of the apostles in the bulk of the New Testament being very clear that Jesus was the Son of God.
Matt Barganier
August 24th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Nothing is "perfectly analogous"; look up the word "analogy" and you'll see why. The fact that you've read — in a neoconservative apologia, no doubt — that "neoconservative" is a code word for something else doesn't impress me. Tell it to Irving Kristol: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Arti…
But you cannot be reasoned with, so I'm done with this exchange.
masmanz
August 24th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Except for the rhetoric I do not see an iota of logic explaining why anyone believe that the mosque is an open insult to them. You think the majority will consider it a national insult, without explaining why.
masmanz
August 24th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
It would still be called a phobia, you are probably worried that as soon as the mosque is built all the Christians will convert to Islam and impose Shria law on you. Wouldn't that be called an irrational fear.
Augustus
August 25th, 2010 at 3:07 am
"But you cannot be reasoned with"
Meaning, your attempts to persuade have been a failure.
Perhaps you'd have more success if you refrained from making self-gratifying assumptions ("neoconservative apologia, no doubt ") or childish insults ("as any non-troll can see").
I expected better from an official ambassador of the website.
kmichaels
August 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Since all the interviews of people that oppose the mosque say the same basic thing that they oppose it because they personally view it as a national insult, I don't need to explain why, I just need to point out what the common man's view is on the subject. After all, this is a freedom of speech issue, a right to assemble and disagree publicly against this stupid plan and obvious insult.
Now, why would somebody with an ounce of brains assume that this would be a national insult? Well, proximity and actual history. You should review it. Proximity because people have this thing about other people getting into their faces and their space, so to speak. There is some basic human psychology involved with it. And this appears to the majority, based on their own comments, to be viewed as an in your face sort of national insult.
What is bizarre and what I consider the stupid and misinformed approach is to think that this is a constitutional issue when it is obviously not. Unless you consider the fact that we Americans have a constitutional right to freedom of speech to voice our objections and or take all legal means to shut this monstrosity down.
I heard a lot of good things about Ron Paul in the past, but the more I read of his specific views the more I think he is a looney nutcase that is too dumb to see what the actual debate is really about.
Is it a property rights issue? If so, whose property has been stolen and by whom? What illegal means were used to stop the use of said property and where is there actual proof that anybodies property rights have been denied? The same goes for religious rights. Where have they been denied? If you have no evidence then you have no case.
And Ron Paul simply has no case due to lack of evidence.
Augustus
August 25th, 2010 at 11:42 am
I guess that explains why so many stupid, bigoted posts DON'T get erased – because their particular brand of stupidity and bigotry advances the common agenda and therefore never gets reported to the administrators.
Matt Barganier
August 25th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
No, I think most commenters just ignore the idiots after awhile. Keep posting here and we'll see.
Augustus
August 25th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Well then, I guess I should be flattered, since you're paying so much attention to me!
Seriously though, you know perfectly well that this site is littered with vulgar, malicious, and bigoted comments. But nothing's done about them when they happen to target the same bogeymen your columnists and reporters do (or at least the ethnic group they have in common). In fact, such comments usually receive multiple thumbs up.
You're not exactly running a tight ship, Matt. For one thing, your own comments are juvenile and unprofessional, and your censoring policy is HIGHLY selective. And where the hell are Buchanan's anti-mosque articles? You seem to print only his anti-Israel columns! Your bias couldn't be more blatant and shameless!
Credibility and integrity obviously aren't too high on the list of your professional objectives, Matt. But at least there's some good news: You do excel at promoting narrow-mindedness, parochialism and bigotry.
Augustus
August 25th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
"Keep posting here"
Thanks for the invitation, Matt. I absolutely intend to continue!
I also intend to play by the rules, Matt. But even so, I was just wondering: Will I be branded a "troll" every time I disagree with the majority opinion?
masmanz
August 27th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Your answer simply is that this is an insult because 'I say so'. You call Ron Paul a looney nutcase because he has properly articulated what this debate is all about.
Shaun
November 18th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
yeah, he's all good and right on as long as he says things you agree with, but he becomes a "looney-nutcase" the moment he disagrees with you on a particular issue. It sounds like it is you who is off-kilter and thinking irrationally to believe that only those who agree with you perfectly are sane.
gordon clark
November 28th, 2010 at 12:30 am
And losing a mere 3000 Amurkans(about 6 hours worth of heart-disease deaths nationwide) FORCED us to invade 2 countries who weren't involved, torturing and murdering hundreds of thousands. So who would Jesus approve of?
kmichaels
January 21st, 2011 at 9:21 am
No, he becomes a looney nutcase when he shows more evidence of being a looney nutcase. And, as I clearly stated, I ran across more evidence.
kmichaels
January 21st, 2011 at 9:25 am
No, my answer was proximity and history. I clearly stated why. You ignored it because it made sense and that irritated you.
And no Ron Paul is a looney nutcase for many reasons but in this case he totally missed the point about what this was all about, as did you.