The "trial" of the former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic began last week before the Hague Inquisition. Karadzic himself boycotted the proceedings, arguing that he had no time to prepare a defense (the indictment was finalized October 19, though the ICTY had 14 years to do it). The Inquisition’s response — imposing counsel on him and adjourning till March 2010 — was not a surprise. Karadzic has already been convicted by the Western media, but a show trial has certain rules it must follow, even if the Inquisition gets to write its own. With the Inquisition already beginning to misrepresent what dubious evidence it has offered, the railroading of Radovan Karadzic looks set to proceed apace come spring.
At that time, if he is allowed, he may resort to quoting a most unlikely defender: Turkey’s foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu.
A Neo-Ottoman Minister
A scholar who has influenced Turkish foreign policy since 2002, and became the country’s chief diplomat in May this year, Davutoglu has pursued what his critics have labeled a "neo-Ottoman" foreign policy. He speaks of "historical depth" of Ankara’s relationship with the Balkans, the Caucasus and the Middle East, and argues that conflicts in these areas originate in their separation from the Ottoman Empire.
In mid-October, immediately after a trip to Iraq, Davutoglu flew to Bosnia, where he opened a conference titled "The Ottoman Legacy and the Balkans Muslim Communities Today." His opening remarks, quoted extensively in the Sarajevo weekly BH Dani on October 23, went virtually unnoticed in the West. However, as Davutoglu also met with Serbia’s foreign minister, Vuk Jeremic, a Serbian magazine for political analysis dug up the article from Dani and published it on their website. Davutoglu’s speech ought to be alarming not just to the Serbian public and the West, but to all Turks committed to preservation of Kemal Ataturk’s vision of a secular state — if any remain.
The "Golden Age"
On October 11, Davutoglu had met with the U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton and his Armenian counterpart in Zurich, Switzerland, and signed a protocol to restore bilateral ties. By his own admission in Sarajevo, though, he spent more time with Clinton talking about the "Bosnian issue" than about Armenia.
To the surprise of some Western diplomats at his "drop-in," he retorted, "We didn’t drop in, we came to Bosnia on horseback."
At the conference in Sarajevo, Davutoglu explained his view of the Balkans. The region is a geopolitical "buffer zone," and a crossroads of economic and cultural interaction between Europe and Asia, Baltics and the Mediterranean. Such a region, he argued, "has two possible destinies in history. One is to be the center of world history, and the other to be a victim of global conflict…"
And what an amazing coincidence, it was precisely during the Ottoman Empire’s peak that the Balkans was "at the center of world politics." The 16th century, he argued, was the "golden age of the Balkans. This is a historical fact."
Why, without the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed-Pasha Sokolovic would have been a peasant instead of a Grand Vizier, and Kavalali Mehmet Ali-Pasha would have stayed in his native Albania instead of establishing modern-day Egypt!
He didn’t bother with trifling details, such as that Sokolovic was seized by force from his family as a child and turned into a Janissary, or that Ali-Pasha established Egypt by rebelling against the Ottomans. But with this "golden age" as his point of departure, Davutoglu’s conclusion sounds perfectly logical:
"Now is the time for reunification. Then we will rediscover the spirit of the Balkans. We need to create a new feeling of unity in the region. We need to strengthen regional ownership, a common regional conscience… It all depends on which part of history you look to. From the 15th to the 20th century, the history of the Balkans was a history of success. We can have this success again."
And again, later in the speech:
"The Ottoman era in the Balkans is a success story. Now it needs to come back."
Davutoglu doesn’t specify as to how. But when he talks about "reintegrating" the Balkans, the Caucasus and the Middle East, and how Turkey is a "safe haven and homeland" for Bosnian, Chechens and Albanians, it isn’t hard to fill in the blanks. What Ahmet Davutoglu wants is to resurrect the empire of Mehmet el-Fatih and Suleiman the Magnificent.
The Dark Age
What Davutoglu and his Muslim audience saw as the "golden age" was the Dark Age for everyone else. Vlad the Impaler isn’t a national hero in Romania because he cruelly dispatched his enemies, but because those enemies were mostly Turks. The Ottomans destroyed the Byzantine Empire, which had carried on in the East for a thousand years after the fall of Rome itself. They obliterated the medieval kingdom of Bosnia, depopulated vast swathes of present-day Croatia and Hungary, nearly exterminated the Serbs from Kosovo… Ask the Croats, Hungarians, Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians, Armenians or Greeks what they think of the Ottoman "golden age" and their answer will probably be too vulgar to print.
Yes, Mehmed-Pasha Sokolovic rose to prominence in the Ottoman hierarchy, and he wasn’t the first or the last Janissary to do so. But he also remembered his roots — something the Janissaries were emphatically not supposed to do. The legacy of this is the legendary Bridge on the Drina, and the restored Patriarchate of the Serbian Orthodox Church (to which he appointed his brother, Makarije). A far more typical Janissary, and another Grand Vizier, was serasker Hurshid Ahmed-Pasha, the general who built a tower of Serbian skulls after a battle in 1809.
Rejecting Ataturk?
Davutoglu’s Ottoman nostalgia isn’t simply another dream of greatness most politicians are prone to at times, but stands in direct opposition to the Kemalist ideology that is the foundation of modern Turkey.
Kept artificially alive by the European powers throughout the 1800s, the Ottoman Empire finally collapsed following its defeat in the Great War. It was Mustafa Kemal, a German-trained Army officer, who organized resistance to the British and French plans to partition the Empire’s heartland. Under his command, the Turks emerged victorious out of a conflict with Britain, France and Greece (resulting in the destruction of Greek communities in Asia Minor that had existed since antiquity), and established the Turkish Republic in 1923.
The Republic has rested on six pillars of Kemalist ideology ever since: republicanism, secularism, populism, revolutionism, nationalism and statism. Nationalism, for example, explains Ankara’s view that everyone who speaks Turkish is a Turk, and there is no such thing as a Kurd. Hardly a foundation for "multiculturalism," is it?
Kemalism has been enforced by the Turkish Army, which has often threatened a coup and made good on the threat several times. However, Turkey is now ruled by the AKP, a party that in 2008 almost got banned for its "anti-secularist" (meaning, Islamic) leanings. Party chairman Recep Erdogan is currently the Prime Minister, and Davutoglu’s former boss Abdullah Gul is the President of Turkey.
Echoes of Izetbegovic
Davutoglu’s claim that under the Ottomans the Balkans used to be the "center of the world" while now it is but a victim of power politics sounds eerily like the argument of Bosnian Muslim leader Alija Izetbegovic, who in his 1971 manifesto, "The Islamic Declaration," wrote this:
"Turkey as an Islamic country used to rule the world. Turkey as an imitation of Europe represents a third-rate country."
One very important distinction here is that the Ottoman Empire was not "Turkey," but an Islamic Caliphate. One cannot talk about some sort of Ottoman resurrection without dealing with the Islamic aspect of the Empire. Davutoglu doesn’t address this directly, but merely talks about a shared "cultural heritage" and "multicultural coexistence."
Then again, so did Izetbegovic. For years, he had the West believe that he was a multi-cultural democrat, rather than an advocate of establishing a Caliphate "from Morocco to Malaysia." After his death in 2003, several men have competed for the political leadership of the Bosnian Muslims, but the religious leadership has remained in the hands of Mustafa Ceric, Izetbegovic’s Grand Mufti. Ceric openly talks about how "Turkey is our mother" and "Mehmet el-Fatih is our father."
So, when Ahmet Davutoglu speaks in Sarajevo about how he feels at home, how Sarajevo is "ours" (Turkish) and "Turkey is yours," and how Turkey’s vital interest is ensuring "your [i.e. Muslim] ownership of Sarajevo and Bosnia," it isn’t hard to reach the same conclusion as Radovan Karadzic did in 1992: something is seriously wrong with a picture of the country that has no room for over half of its (Christian) population.
Karadzic acted on this realization by mobilizing the Bosnian Serbs for war, and opposing the creation of the Muslim-dominated Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina by the force of arms. Now countries that have engaged in naked aggression themselves have dubbed this "aggression" and "genocide" and put Karadzic on trial at a "court" they illegally established and control.
Davutoglu, meanwhile, goes about the business of resurrecting the Caliphate.
Read more by Nebojsa Malic
- Spies, Lies, and Fear – February 7th, 2010
- Winter of Discontent – January 22nd, 2010
- 2009 in Review – January 3rd, 2010
- Discrimination! – December 24th, 2009
- Trial and Error – December 4th, 2009





Bojan
November 9th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Goldstone is a shady figure, given his biased record at the very same ICTY that Mr. Malic refers to. And yes, Israel has every right to question Mr. Goldstone latest report in the lights of his prior activities.
On the other hand, saying that Bosnia is an "Israel's client state" would be a careless overstatement with no grounds.
Israel does hold a diplomatic relations with Bosnia (as most of the world does), with the full recognition of its Dayton-based structure (unlike the most of EU members, and, needless to say, America). Furthermore, Israel's relations with Serbian entity in Bosnia seem pretty warm and friendly, given the common history of Serbian and Jewish sufferings in Bosnia in WW2 by the same perpetrators.
So, let's stick to Davutoglu's creepy Ottoman-mythomaniac outburst here, please.
Uncle Sam
November 9th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
One thing that I learned from watching Milosevic's trial on the Internet is that under both the federal Yugoslav constitution and the republican Bosnian constitution Bosnia could not secede from Yugoslavia unless the 3 constituent peoples who comprised its population all agreed to it. Only the Bosnian Muslims and the Croats agreed to it. The Serbs did not participate in the plebiscite. So therefore Bosnia's secession from Yugoslavia was illegal.
A constituent people under Yugoslav law was defined as a people whose ancestral homeland or country was within the boundaries of the former Yugoslavia, as was the case with all 3 of these groups. For example, the Albanians or the Hungarians could not secede from Yugoslavia. Both Albania and Hungary were not part of the former Yugoslavia.
The Western media to my knowledge never mentioned this important legal fact.
Andrewp111
November 10th, 2009 at 6:52 am
The People of Islam around the world want to restore the Caliphate. They want it desperately, even more than they want their own lives. It is the only way their civillization can have wealth, power, and glory again, and they all know it. Their main obstacles are (1) The Caliphate must be restored by force, and since every Islamic group wants to be top dog, there is no natural leader. The Islamic terror groups, movements, and nations are vying for power and dominance in hopes that one of them will emerge as the natural successor to the Ottoman and Safevid Empires… and (2) The restoration of the Caliphate is definately NOT in the interests of the West. We will do everything in our power to keep the Muslims divided, and prevent their empire from being restored. We won't be able to stop them forever, but we can delay their restoration for a very long time.
Anonymous
November 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Yay, more paranoid Muslim-bashing on the new, improved, antiwar.com! I'm donating TWICE!!!
Bojan
November 10th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Anonymous, how many times have you donated so far? I guess you're acquainted with the possibility of writing down your complaints and sending them to the editors here at the Antiwar.com. Followed by your name as a site donor, of course. I mean, seriously, fellows, enough with this enraged-financial-supporter-drama here, please.There are pieces and columns at this site which I strongly disagree with, and guess what – it never inspired me to play a crybaby here. It's the same story going on by the kill-your-Serb-today hardliners EVERY WEEK, poorly disguised as some principled disagreement. I'm about to conclude by the sheer stupidity of the comment 'Anonymous' wrote, that this person hasn't even bothered to read this column. I mean, c'mon! Malic has commented on the appalling chauvinistic theses said by a STATE SECRETARY of an important country, and you're trying to – shoot the messenger! If you think that there are some facts inadequately presented, you are free to dismiss them with your comments. If not, stop spilling your hateful crappy oneliners.
@ Namlas
No, you've entertained me quite a bit with this angry outburst of yours,actually.
Nobody says that there are no secular-oriented and civil-minded forces withing the 1,5 billion Muslims in the world. The subject here is the Islamic fundamentalist outburst of the Turkish minister Davutoglu. And, please, try to abstain from using the pointless vulgarities as "FOX-watching imbeciles". The only Fox-produced material I regularly watch is the TV-series called Bones. Which is completely off-topic here. Though you seem to subscribe to the same pattern of a stereotypes and name-calling that you are whining about. Your pointless insult is just the same old Western jingoist tune that more than once pictured ALL Muslims as camel-riding-women-stoning-child-marrying-science-forbidding raghead savages, you only do it in reverse by ranting about "Fox-watching imbeciles". .
Bojan
November 10th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Apologies for numerous typos in the message above. I've written in the haste and without spell-checking.
Suvorov
November 11th, 2009 at 12:29 am
Yes, it is childish and hardly original to threaten not to donate. Does Anonymous truly expect anyone here to believe for a second that he either has or was going to donate anything to antiwar.com? Does he expect whoever it is to exclaim: "Oh my God, Mr. Anonymous is not going to donate to us any more because of this Serb nationalist!" and immediately fire Nebojsa Malic? Please, grow up.
Anonymous
November 11th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
I donated, in the past, back before this site became a zionist neocon front. It's sad, really. Why did I post to express my displeasure with the insane decline of this site? I just care too much, I guess. Nostalgia, maybe. I remember reading this site, back during the war in Kosovo. It was like an oasis of sanity in a media landscape consisting of crazy warmongering garbage. Now, though… ugh.
Here's the thing – I don't give a crap about Serb nationalism. Hell, I might have even considered myself a fan, back when we were bombing you guys. Thing is, now, we're bombing Muslims. That means, articles bashing Muslims tend to incite more bombing, leading to more killing and loss of American blood and treasure. I guess worrying about that kind of stuff makes me an American nationalist. You gotta realize, though, that just because we aren't bombing you guys, right this second, doesn't mean that we won't come back and do it again. People like me, in the actual anti-war movement know full well that the identity of the enemy isn't important. If America doesn't become a peaceful nation, we will get back around to you. We'll keep killing until World War III breaks out and everyone dies. The stakes are way fucking higher here than your lameass shitty little regional dispute.
Finally, its nice that you watch Fox-produced prolefeed. Hell, I enjoy the series "Firefly", also produced by Fox. What you've got to realize, however, is here, in the United States, Fox runs a "news channel" that is basically a 24/7 propaganda outlet that always advocates hatred of foreigners, hatred of arabs, and hatred of anyone who doesn't support endless warfare. People who watch that channel are far too often completely unreachable. That's because they represent a very real and very powerful faction in American politics who, quite literally, would become destitute if our country stopped murdering foreigners. Our former manufacturing sector lays in rusted ruins while our war-making industry hums along merrily. People who want to stop making bombers and tanks and go back to making cars and consumer goods don't run news networks. We're all too busy living paycheck to paycheck in our shitty service sector jobs.
You tell me to "grow up". OK, fair enough. Maybe I'm an idealist. Maybe there's no room for people like me in the new J-street branded antiwar.com. Whatever. Consider this, though — For most of its life, antiwar.com never had a means of commenting and discussing articles. Maybe someone, somewhere in the bureaucracy of this site thought that the commentary was moving too far right and wanted the loyal readers of the site to snap them back to reality. When I read this article and Justin's paranoid screed about the Fort Hood shooting I felt, on the one hand, like "fuck it, this site's lost". Then, I saw "comment on this article" and thought of those who might feel betrayed like me. I thought maybe they could use a little morale boost, instead of the fucking bloodsucking arab-haters who can just turn on the TV to get their morale fix. That's when I posted. If that makes me a "dirty liberal" or a "child", then so what? If the warmongers continue to dominate the discourse, we'll all be dead soon, anyways. Thanks for reading my long post.
Bojan
November 11th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
First, you need to realize that this column wasn't aimed a SLIGHTEST BIT against Muslims in particular. It would be helpful to check the map before you jump onto the pulpit of preaching your enlightened stuff to the retarded furriners :) from remote regions. What this Turkish GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL said, is exactly the kind of warmongering agenda that you claim to be so worried about in your country. This Davutoglu guy proposes, pretty much, carving up THE WHOLE Southeastern Europe and much of the Black Sea-region into a war-torn hellhole before he fulfills his weird dreams of renewing a medieval Turkish empire that ALL surrounding nations hold in such contempt in their collective memories. And what could possibly be wrong with paying some (much-needed!!) attention to his chauvinist outburst expressed in Bosnian Muslim media?
And, could you support your claim about Malic's alleged bomb-the-Muslims attitude by quoting ANY of his columns to that effect? I've been following Moments of Transition (formerly, Balkan Express) for years so far, and NEVER found anything similar. The guy was staunchly antiwar in regard to Iraq from the get-go.
And yes, I know what kind of stuff the FOX runs. That Hannity guy and the rest of them could hardly be branded as pro-Serbian by any means. But you need to overcome your own agenda when you discuss other regions and try to get the basic facts straight. If there is a Serb in the world who would cheer an aggressive war against civilians anywhere in the world (or cheer some imperial quest from the DC), after all we've been through, I haven't met such a person yet.
Sirmium
November 11th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Anonymous:
While some of Malic's other articles are truly mostly regional, the fact remains that Kosovo set a precedent that overturns the legal results of the peace of Westphalia and shattered whatever standing the UN ever had. It means that countries are no longer sovereign. So while you may think it's a shitty local issue of interest solely to Serbian nationalists, it isn't. It set the precedent for Russia in Abkhazia/South Ossetia, it justifies all sorts of irredentist and secessionist movements, and it set the precedent for Iraq and Afghanistan as "preemptive" actions of the US in the interests of humanity. It will continue to set a precedent as a "humanitarian war" for further interventions.
Now, you may also consider the comments of the Turkish Foreign Minister irrelevant for the world at large, but they are not. A cursory examination of geography indicates how well embedded Turkey is in the Balkans, Mesopotamia, the Levant, and the Caucasus. All volatile regions (and not accidentally, given the legacy of the Ottomans) that can be manipulated to erupt into war. Thus the views of the Turkish Foreign Minister are relevant to war and peace in the region and in the world in general.
So, Malic is not "Muslim bashing" here. If anything, the comments of Davutoglu are ominous for a number of Muslim nations, notably the Arabs, the Kurds, and even the Iranians – all of whom resented the Ottoman empire in its day and will resent any Turkish incursions in their affairs in the future.
Suvorov
November 11th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
"I donated, in the past, back before this site became a zionist neocon front."
Anonymous,
If you believe that this website became a zionist neocon front, then you probably missed about 100% of its coverage. And it certainly appears that you are not familiar with the article above. Otherwise, I am puzzled as to how you gathered that the author is "bashing Muslims". Mr. Malic discusses provocative statements made by Turkey's FOREIGN MINISTER. The latter openly called for return to Ottoman recolonization of the Balkans. I don't see how being critical of this plan makes one a Fox fan, a neocon, a Zionist, a Muslim basher, or a warmonger. It has in fact been a tradition for decades now of both neocons and neolibs to support Turkey in the region, so, once again, how does opposing Turkey's vision of the region make one a supporter of the War Party?
"You tell me to "grow up". OK, fair enough. Maybe I'm an idealist. Maybe there's no room for people like me in the new J-street branded antiwar.com."
Sorry, that sounds like Obama's speech, the man who received more money from them than anyone in American history.
Suvorov
November 11th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
I meant "colonization" instead of "recolonization".
Australian Cangoor
November 12th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Would USA give South Florida to Castro and Cuba?
Or let say California, New Mexico, Arizona, and let say Texas to Mexico?
Why not!
Same principals should be applied every where.
Just because USA and some European countries and Muslim states want to take Bosnia from Yugoslavia or Kosovo from Serbia!
I guess big guns get away witheverything.
That is why Russia and China are wawere of it?
They should be able to do same thing in Georgia, or Taiwan respectfully!
Rushmore
November 12th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Restore the Caliphate? A great idea for anyone who wants to sink Islam into long-term confusion. Shall we get behind it? There must be a site where financial contributions can be accepted.
antiamanpour
November 12th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Modern day Turkey is a Trojan Horse for Suadi Whabism; the private religious schools legalised by Turgut Ozal in 1987 are turning out fanatics into the upper echelons of society and 18% intrest rates of the Turkiye Merkez Bankasi and the new hard YTL are all Suadi financed innitiatives…The US/Anglo talk of Turkey being a "model moderate islamic democracy" is self-delusional and dangerous.
Anonymouse
November 16th, 2009 at 3:26 am
Hi there! I'm posting from a proxy because the administration of this site has banned me from commenting, after my last comment. Goes to show you how much they "believe in liberty". Sure, the Zionists who now control this site aren't the ones we've become accustomed to.. another faction, however. Still, they look out for the interests of another country #1 before America. Question their "truth", and the "freedom" they claim to cherish and bestow upon us lowly rabble is withdrawn! Keep a hand hovering over that "Delete" button, or else someone might read the truth on this site!
jaimojpas
November 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
While I agree with your general idea I don't think that this is a Muslim-bashing but a reminder that Muslims too not only had their emperes but also haven't given up their imperial pretensions in the areas they once ruled. One of the most striking examples is the Ottoman Empire spanning continents and ruling over different cultures/civilizations but with its base and its capital in Europe, in the Balkans. The Balkans are also a a unique case in modern history of an European territory conquered, colonized and kept under by an Eastern/Muslims power. Nevertheless the Muslim rule over Europe has has never attracted enough attention of the Western post-colonoial studies initiated by E.Said. In fact the consequences of the centuries of Muslim rule in Europe are quite obvious and devastating to the Balkans to this day albeit downplayed in Western scholarship. Why is that so??? It is not surprising that the non-Muslims, especially the Serbs feel that their grievances have not be addresses and their rights denied in the post-Cold War period of turmoil in ex-Yugoslavia. Some of the author's explanations might illuminate why Christians and Muslims from ex-Yugoslavia especially in Bosnia and Herzegovina, who otherwise have the same ethnic background, do not see eye to eye when it comes to interpretation of their common history under the Ottomans.
jaimojpas
November 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
While I agree with your general idea I don't think that this is a Muslim-bashing but a reminder that Muslims too not only had their emperes but also haven't given up their imperial pretensions in the areas they once ruled. One of the most striking examples is the Ottoman Empire spanning continents and ruling over different cultures/civilizations but with its base and its capital in Europe, in the Balkans. The Balkans are also a a unique case in modern history of an European territory conquered, colonized and kept under by an Eastern/Muslims power. Nevertheless the Muslim rule over Europe has has never attracted enough attention of the Western post-colonoial studies initiated by E.Said. In fact the consequences of the centuries of Muslim rule in Europe are quite obvious and devastating to the Balkans to this day albeit downplayed in Western scholarship. Why is that so??? It is not surprising that the non-Muslims, especially the Serbs feel that their grievances have not be addresses and their rights denied in the post-Cold War period of turmoil in ex-Yugoslavia. Some of the author's explanations might illuminate why Christians and Muslims from ex-Yugoslavia especially in Bosnia and Herzegovina, who otherwise have the same ethnic background, do not see eye to eye when it comes to interpretation of their common history under the Ottomans.
Emilyrose
November 26th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
If Karadzic wishes to remain alive he had better cease any resistance and get found guilty post haste.
We all saw what happened to Slobodan Milosevic – now appearing, rightly I think, on some lists as victim of the Cheney 'Death Squads'.
Appararently these no longer operate – pigs just flying past.
Karadzic like any Serbian so called 'war criminal' ,a criminal under which criteria we in Britain would have faced wholesale war crimes trials of our leaders after WW2, doesn't stand a chance in a Kangaroo court which shames any claim to justice we in the west may once have had.
Where Serbia is concerned – self defence = a war crime.
Only Israel is allowed that charge when faced with overgrown fireworks – not murderous aggression and the piecemeal destruction of their nation state..
Hacklheber
November 26th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
"zionist neocon front"
Okayyyy……
Please enlighten us to what you do NOT consider a "zionist neocon front".
Alexei K.
January 15th, 2010 at 12:46 am
I have to congratulate the Turks, they are achieving their goals and may have a new "Empire" within the next 10 years. And few suspect anything, or don't care to notice.
If Iraq collapses the Turks could send "Peacekeepers" into northern Iraq which has a very large Turkic minority, a new government in Northern Iraq could then eliminate the existence of Kurdistan and gain the region's Oil reserves, which would no doubt expand the Turkish Economy.
With Turkey's expanding Naval Power they could take over the whole of Cyprus.
In the Caucasus they already have influence in Azerbaijan(the BTC pipeline from the Caspian Sea starts in Azerbaijan and ends in Turkey), and their influence in Georgia is also growing. Armenia could end up surrounded on all sides and Russia will not be able to help if there was a war here again.
It is common knowledge that Turkey supports Terrorist movements in Southern Russia, most Russians don't even care, they only care that Turkey has nice vacation resorts which thousands of Russians travel to every year. It may even be Russian tourists that are indirectly funding the Terrorists attacking Russia. Russia's Military around the Black Sea is also weakening, while Turkey's is expanding.
Hary
January 25th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
"Karadzic acted on this realization by mobilizing the Bosnian Serbs for war, and opposing the creation of the Muslim-dominated Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina by the force of arms"
But ofcourse u will not mention how he and his mentors from Belgrade sought to achieve their goals. You will not mention that 70 % Of Bosnia was cleansed of any sort of muslim presence, how nearly 40 000 women and girl some beein 11 years old were sistematiclly raped in special camps set up just for that purpouse(btw in Nazi Germany war rape was punishable by death) but not in Serbia, cause they did not wrong, how could they do anything wrong when muslims in their mind were not human at all but a savages who needed to be hunted down and slaughterd like animals. This u will not mention. Out of 600000 Bosniaks who once lived in what is now called republika srpska, now there are only 30 000 left, most of whom are beeing persecuted on a daily basis, like Fata Orlovic who is draged trough the courts daily, and has acctually been accused of hurting some police officers. Oh i Forgot she is over 70 years old, but for a Serb scum that plays no role, cause she is not a human being. Ad concerning Ottomans, there is no evidence of religious intolerance, and it wasnt Ottomans who displaced Serbs from Kosovo, it was Artemije III who was a Serb Patriarch, who invited them to leave Kosovo after the Great War in 1700. at least check on the web before u say more lies