Will Israel Drag Us Into Yet Another War?
Their amen corner is working overtime to do just that
We are living in dangerous times – and this moment, when the Geneva talks with Iran over their nuclear program have reached the tipping point, is potentially a decisive turn for the worst.
Two factors are simultaneously moving us toward a general cataclysm, and both have to do with the state of Israel: 1) The government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is pulling out all the stops to sabotage the ongoing peace talks between Tehran and the "P5 + 1", and 2) Netanyahu is abandoning the Palestinian peace process and moving rapidly toward his goal of a "Greater Israel."
The conjunction of these two aggressive moves by the Israelis is taking the world to the brink of the unthinkable.
Let’s be clear about what the stakes are: war with Iran would mean complete economic devastation, with the price oil skyrocketing into the stratosphere. The effects would be catastrophic: the world economy, already teetering on the brink of implosion, would rapidly deteriorate into a general crisis of confidence that would make the great depression of the 1930s look like a mere blip on the screen. To say nothing of the horrific human costs: Tehran in ruins, many thousands dead and wounded, and a general war of all against all in the Middle East. The conflict would drag in all regional actors: not only the US but also Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and quite possibly even the Russians. It would, in effect, be the beginning of World War III.
Let’s also be clear about who wants this war, and is plotting and scheming behind the scenes – as well as calling quite openly – for it to begin a.s.a.p.
For what seems like the past decade or so, the Israeli government has been loudly agitating for a US attack on Iran: Netanyahu isn’t shy about his intentions. Nor is he hesitant about calling on pro-Israel groups around the world to mobilize their supporters in his campaign for war, and they are responding with the requisite enthusiasm. The Israel lobby in Washington is pulling out all the stops in an effort to induce Congress to impose even more sanctions on Iran – a move that would put a quick end to the negotiations.
The Israel Firsters aren’t beating the war drums exclusively in Washington: Paris apparently has its contingent of drum-beaters as well. Everyone is wondering what suddenly got into the French foreign minister at the Geneva peace talks, one Fabius Laurent, who suddenly accused the other Western negotiators of being too soft on Iran and raising what are clearly dubious objections to what was, after all, an interim draft agreement.
This nonsense about the Arak facility – which is not even constructed yet – and the longstanding Iranian claim to the right of enrichment is just a smokescreen. All the representatives at Geneva – including the French – had agreed to put Arak on the back burner, since the issue didn’t require immediate resolution. The Arak facility is being regularly monitored by IAEA inspectors, and would need to be significantly modified before it could produce weapons-grade nuclear materials. As for the enrichment issue, this is nothing new: the Iranians have the right to enrich under the terms of the Nonproliferation Treaty, to which they are signatories. Any move on their part to enrich beyond permitted limits would soon be detected.
The real story behind the French turnaround is that Netanyahu’s main man in Paris, Meyer Habib, called Laurent and told him that if the agreement went forward Netanyahu would strike Iran. The Times of Israel, citing Israel’s Channel 2 News, puts the conversation this way:
"’I know [Netanyahu]," the French MP, Meyer Habib, reportedly told Fabius, and predicted that the Israeli prime minister would resort to the use of force if the deal was approved in its form at the time. ‘If you don’t toughen your positions, Netanyahu will attack Iran,’ the report quoted Habib as saying. ‘I know this. I know him. You have to toughen your positions in order to prevent war.’"
Nice touch there: you have to stop talking peace "in order to prevent war."
This threat by Netanyahu, delivered by his French messenger, is a bluff: the Israelis will fight to the last American, but when it comes to risking Israeli lives on the battlefield against a formidable opponent like Iran – not so much. This is just another transparent blackmail attempt, but the French have been sidling up to the Israelis for some time now and were eager to do their part.
Blackmail isn’t how treasured "allies" treat each other, but then again Israel isn’t really a friendly nation anymore: the "special relationship" has been souring for a long time, and it’s now reached the point of an acrimonious divorce. The Israeli-Palestinian negotiations John Kerry is trying to revive are collapsing in the face of Israeli intransigence: the New York Times reports that a recent session turned into a "shouting match." As hardly a day goes by without an Israeli announcement of more "settlements" in Palestine – there are to be 20,000 new units constructed in the West Bank – even the normally pro-Israel Kerry went off on Netanyahu:
"If you say you’re working for peace and you want peace and a Palestine that is a whole Palestine that belongs to the people who live there, how can you say we’re planning to build in the place that will eventually be Palestine? It sends a message that somehow, perhaps you’re not really serious."
"I mean," he added, "do you want a third Intifada?"
This provoked a furious response from the Israel lobby in this country, with Abe Foxman denouncing Kerry’s "chutzpah" and declaring that the world sees the US as "weak and retreating." It’s okay, you see, to be seen as "weak and retreating" in the face of Bibi’s tantrums – and if anyone’s a chutzpah expert, it most surely is Foxman.
What panics Foxman is that internal political developments in both Israel and the US are driving the two nations apart: in the former, an ultra-nationalist wave is engulfing the Jewish state, destroying any chances of a solution to the Palestine question. Bibi is playing to– and whipping up – this dangerous trend.
In America, on the other hand, a growing popular rebellion against our Middle East meddling – which culminated in the administration backing down on their plan to bomb Syria – is forcing the President to seemingly abandon our traditionally Israel-centric policy and at least give the impression he is actually looking out for American interests.
The Israel lobby went all out on the Syria issue – and was handed a rare defeat. This time, however, they are determined to win, and they are mobilizing their considerable resources, both here and internationally, in order to throw a monkey wrench into the works. Given this, and the lack of any countervailing forces, I’d be willing to bet the Geneva talks will end in failure. We can count on Congress to follow Netanyahu’s marching orders and impose new sanctions, just as we certainly can’t count on the Obama administration to stand firm against this kind of pressure.
The failure of the Geneva talks will imperil newly-elected Iranian President Hassan Rouhani’s position, and give hardliners in his country a powerful bludgeon to beat him over the head with. It will give the Israelis a chance to gin up a provocation that will drag us into their holy war against Iran, and in the US it will reinforce the erroneous idea that the Iranians are at fault – which is the story the administration is circulating. They’re too cowed to blame the French – or, standing behind them, the Israelis.
Nothing is inevitable, not least of all war with Iran: common sense could prevail. When push comes to shove, the American people could rise up, as they did on the eve of our planned bombing of Syria, and cast their veto. That, in my view, is the only way we’ll avoid World War III.
But that can’t happen unless Americans are awake and aware of what’s happening – and that is the reason for Antiwar.com’s existence. Since 1995, we’ve been educating the American people about the perils of US intervention in the Middle East and around the world. We’ve been debunking the War Party’s lies, and, recently, scored a big victory when a telephone campaign – launched in conjunction with allies across the political spectrum – forced the Obama administration to back down after the President announced he was going to bomb Syria. That was to be yet another war we were going to fight for Israel’s sake, but the American people said "Enough!" – and the foreign lobbyists (including the powerful Saudi lobby) were humbled.
We can do it again: indeed, we must do it again – but we can’t do it without your help. Antiwar.com has to raise $80,000 in the next few weeks just in order to keep going. You can bet the War Party is sparing no expense in their campaign to drag us into war with Iran: their bank account is effectively unlimited. But we don’t need to match them dollar for dollar: we can win just like we did last time – if only you will help!
The stakes are high – indeed, they have never been higher. This is the moment when the work we have been doing all these years either culminates in a victory for the forces of peace – or a terrible defeat with horrific consequences.
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Chas H
November 12th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
Hmm. So Kerry struck a clause in the agreement stating Iran had a right to civilian enrichment cause a MP who was Jewish bluffed the French PM saying Israel would attack? Should we forget John Mitchell quit Obama because Israel and Palestinians where not going to hammer an agreement? Netanyahu's position is dependent on war and conflict. How much backbone do Obama/Kerry have come the negotiating restart Nov20? How many trick ponies does Netanyahu have? We are talking a nation of 8 million (some dual nationals like this Frencp MP) stopping a 319 million US nation cutting a deal with a 40 million.
reggietcs
November 12th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
While I agree that American opinion certainly played its part in preventing the Obama regime from bombing Syria, I believe that the Russians deserve just as much credit, because it was probably those Russian and Chinese nuclear destroyers in the Mediterranean and the threat from Putin to "help them" (his own words) which made Washington think twice in starting what would've turned into a long bloody affair with the possibility of REAL American casualties not seen since World War II. Joint Chief Dempsey also warned the intelligence committee of the very real danger of getting into a conflict with Russia which John "jukebox" McCain shrugged off and told Dempsey that his opinion "was not welcomed." Bottom-line: if Putin/Lavrov hadn't been so assertive, the US probably would've bombed Syria. Public opinion has rarely stopped a war the US elites wanted, but this time it was different: Russia tossed the gauntlet.
duglarri
November 12th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Justin, you're leaving out the Saudis- who I'm sure you know are huge in this. The are tag-teaming with the Israelis: the Israels offer threats, the Saudis throw in massive bribes.
Americans should recognize these two countries are acting to get Americans killed in large numbers. They're the enemy, not Iran.
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Truthster
November 13th, 2013 at 12:15 am
There were NO Chinese nuclear destroyers or any other Chinese "warships" in the Mediterranean. I do not believe China has any "nuclear" warships.
But Putin deserves credit for stopping war and the Chinese backed him. That is entirely correct
reggietcs
November 13th, 2013 at 1:16 am
Thanks for the correction truthster.
I was under the assumption (a false one) that the Chinese had nuclear powered warships. I keep reading how the Chinese are this new great military "threat," but they don't yet have nuclear powered missile ships/destroyers? This is something the US/Russia have had for decades. Hell, Russia even has nuclear icebreakers. I had also heard (probably incorrectly from Presstv – LOL) that the Chinese had sent one or two ships to the Med, so I guess it was just the Russians – which was apparently good enough in itself.
onatan
November 13th, 2013 at 1:37 am
Look on the bright side – Israel now has its own oil / gas offshore of Gaza and in the West Bank – which I am sure it will sell to us at a reasonable price should gas prices rocket after we attack Iran on their behalf (snort!)
Louise Danceanu
November 13th, 2013 at 2:51 am
I’m sick to hear how the little, poor and irresponsible America is again, and again, pushed to war by the great empire Israel! Pushed to war with a contry that has never attaked
another country in the last 300 years! If Nethanyahu would ask Lindsey Graham or the entire U.S Congress to give all their money and properties to poor children in Nigeria, I doubt they would have executed! Not because it is absurd! the war with Iran is alsoo absurd! but because it is contrary to their interests. I am amazed to discover even in this article that financial and economic arguments to not go to war are more important than moral arguments! This is little, poor America…
Dr.Khan
November 13th, 2013 at 4:11 am
Yes Yes Why not , why not….war is good war is good…heeheee haahaa.
Johnny in Wi.
November 13th, 2013 at 4:13 am
The Pope got the ball rolling. He sent a letter to Vlad Putin, the only practicing Christian among big power leaders, and asked him to intervene. He then called a worldwide day of fasting an prayer for peace in Syria. in every Catholic Church in this country the day after the day of fasting, sermons were preached against the war. Prayers were said for peace. Many Catholic bishops and priests also asked their congregants to call and write their congress person. I know many who did, including me.
longfisher
November 13th, 2013 at 4:22 am
Justin,
Please propose an anonymous means by which readers can contribute.
For the first time in my life, I sincerely fear the government.
I'll check back here for your response
Longfisher
richard vajs
November 13th, 2013 at 4:40 am
To be anti-war, you must also be anti-Zionist.
Another thought – where is Israel getting all the Israelis to move onto the stolen land and new settlements? It seems that net immigration into Israel by Western Jews is negative. Those that will move there want to keep their Western passports as a "get out of jail" card. What do they plan to do – empty Tel Aviv? The over-crowded Palestinians will just take their place. Israel is insane, and Netanyahu's only exit plan is genocide.
Mark
November 13th, 2013 at 5:20 am
With the reports of NSA spying and sharing with the Mossad, one has to wonder what they may have on Monsieur Laurent.
Chas H
November 13th, 2013 at 6:12 am
I am sure you do not have to set the clock back to 1948 (Israel). Come on, even the Soviets (yes,them) voted for state of Israel. But you have to have a brain. Linsey Graham's does not believe US intelligence.You don't have to love the Chinese Communist party. You don't have to like Shia Islam (Iran). You don't have to be a super American social leftist. You don't have to be a Sunni Islam lover. You can hate Al Queda. Its wise to know what Netanyahu is and is not. You can believe in the Constitution of the US to be antiwar.
omop
November 13th, 2013 at 6:38 am
Its been reported that even the Iranian Jews in Iran are anti-Bibi. If the US is dragged into a war with Iran by Israel then it definitely would be due to America's stupidity. An Arab website reports that early this week President Putin called the King of Saudi Arabia and may have threatened the Saudis and obliquely their association with Israel.
Henry Kissinger's reported prognosis that Israel will cease to exist within ten years may be prophetic after all.
shadowsman
November 13th, 2013 at 6:55 am
What is there to say…??? Just more of the same, and if the on again, off again 24,000 housing units floater is true, our 'clients' there are behaving somewhat like cornered rats which is a bad sign. It shows that they do not plan a peacable transition to a two state solution, but instead as Raimondo points out, their plans are for more theft and confrontation and the normalization of strife and apartheid. They do not seem to believe that allowing the Palestinians to keep the land and places that have been in their possession for centuries, even millennia………
bozhidar balkas
November 13th, 2013 at 8:38 am
no brainer about palestina or remnants of palestina, checnnya, tibet, kurdistans, texas, krajina, kosovo, sudeten land, s, tyrol …..: what's won in war can be regained only by another war.
RICinOR
November 13th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Longfisher,
I also prefer to contribute "anonymously", and send a check by USPS to:
Antiwar.com fundraising
Randolph Bourne Institute
1017 El Camino Real, Suite 306, Redwood City, CA 94063
They will send a receipt, even if you ask them not to do so.
There is virtually no way, except by walking in with cash, to contribute without leaving some kind of paper trail. Even doing that, you could be photographed by the FBI which has monitored AW.C for the last six years. Also, I've heard the post office makes copies of ALL mail address labels, but that's a battle for another day. You could try Fed Ex but that's a little more pricey. Don't know if they make copies or not.
We're living in a police state. By commenting here you've already raised your head above the parapets. The time is fast approaching when we'll all need the courage to stand openly against tyranny or retire in ignominy to the sheep fold.
bozhidar balkas
November 13th, 2013 at 9:31 am
you're holding back my comments and you want my money, too!
bozhidar balkas
November 13th, 2013 at 9:39 am
impose a no fly zone outside israeli borders!
bozhidar balkas
November 13th, 2013 at 9:42 am
o that little, helpless, hopeless, vulnerable, about to evanesce amerika?
Chas H
November 13th, 2013 at 10:17 am
Of course, there are moral arguments. Loads of them. In warfare you do not mutilate corpses or torture the living. Al-Queda in Syria is doing it. The neoconservatives are not moral. Dividing up countries by fear and mistrust and wrecking people's lives for war is immoral. France's Hollands will now be addressing the Israeli parliament. We will see how Netanyahu's trickbag is working.
Americans, British are tired of being used. Obama pledged no more war and Syria came up. He tried to use AIPAC against the American people but backed down after Putin. Now he finds AIPAC is a two edged sword because Likud party of Israel controls it. Duh! Obamas poll numbers are now below fifty percent which means half of country does not believe him. If Americans want cheap healthcare, they can not tear apart foreign countries and pay for both at the same time. Sanctions are an act of war,if Obama was going to use them for a purpose. Except victory and a detente and tell Likud to shove it. Otherwise Holland's France can prostitute itself for Likud while this nation state of eight million basks in religious self righteous fervor. Wars cost.
Noah
November 13th, 2013 at 10:36 am
War with Iran?I would be a lot more concerned about what just happened in the Philippines.The U.S. sent an aircraft carrier.Not much defence against climate change.Maybe it is time to stop building warships and start building arks.Germany is shutting down all of it's nuke plants and building solar farms as fast as it can.At least there is one government on the planet that can see what is coming in the future.Personally,I would buy a Tesla if I could afford one.Tesla limos for the White house?
Longfisher
November 13th, 2013 at 11:11 am
I've not used a money order for many years, but I thought they were confidential and required no return address. True or not?
It's not necessarily that I am concerned about simply having posted on the Inet. It's that who knows how they're going to (mis)interpret the statutes in the future, particularly the Patriot Act, to categorize any contribution to AW as material support of a terrorist organization. Just look how the NSA twisted that Act.
I'm too old to fight them physically (and their darned lucky for that). So, I can only contribute money to those who are fighting them.
So, will a money order work?
Longfisher
RICinOR
November 13th, 2013 at 11:22 am
The Zionist dream of Eretz Israel (http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future.php) is a nightmare for the rest of the world. It puts most of the still productive oilfields in the ME into Zionist hands, and would allow them to control the Suez Canal, Persian Gulf, Gulf of Oman, and other sea routes used by oil tankers. If you think gas is expensive now… It would literally put the world at Israel's "mercy." And you can ask the Palestinian's how that's working out.
A very good discussion of some of the issues can be found at (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/11/12/welcome-to-zionism-now-bend-over/).
Don't despair! The fat lady has not yet sung. The bombs are not yet falling.
After donating to Antiwar.com, call or write your Senators and Representative to let them know how you feel about fighting another war for Israel's Zionist dreams. You might also mention how you feel about the economic, military, and political aid given to Israel. Or do you have something more important than helping to stop WW III to do?
Mark Thomason
November 13th, 2013 at 11:35 am
The US might take that from Israel. Then again, the US did rebel against a Syria war.
The rest of the world will not. China will not. India will not. Turkey will not. Those are Iran's major trading partners. Germany will not — it puts its economy before all, and was one of Iran's major trading partners. France will not — they torpedoed this deal in a purely selfish effort to garner economic advantage, and if it turns into an economic disaster they will do their cheese eating surrender monkey routine with aplomb.
The world can only react to protect itself by turning on Israel. This could end the Crusader State now, instead of a few decades from now. It is suicide for the Israelis, not that they'll see it until too late.
Mark Thomason
November 13th, 2013 at 11:39 am
China has nuclear submarines.
The US has given up using nuclear power on all surface ships except aircraft carriers, and has scrapped all the nuclear powered cruisers it had. Not cost effective, by a wide margin.
reggietcs
November 13th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Thanks Mark.
I know that nuclear-powered subs are advantageous because they can allow the sub to remain submerged for months at a time as opposed to days for non-nuclear. Makes sense. There's probably not much of an advantage to having cruise missile ships, frigates or destroyers nuclear powered. I guess sometimes I can get nuclear-powered confused with ships that simply carry nuclear weapons. The Russian Cruise missile ship Moskva, which was in the Med at the time the US was prepared to attack Syria, is a flagship cruise missile ship and armed with nuclear cruise missiles, but I don't think it's nuclear-powered.
Given what you've just pointed out, the lack of nuclear powered warships isn't a sign of weakness in the Chinese fleet, it's just allocated to the subs where it's actually beneficial.
Thanks.
bozhidar balkas
November 13th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
three of my posts had not yet appeared. there was nothing there prowar, proisrael, profrance, anti-american; it also included some cures for the israeli/congress disease.
i wonder if i may yet get banned from posting like i was for years?
that's ok, i post on many sites!
outsider
November 13th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Chas H – You are correct to point out President Obama's sinking poll numbers. He's actually now under 40% due to the disastrous ACA roll out. This fact, along with what happened to Obama when he wanted to bomb Syria, makes me believe that, in spite of Lindsey Graham's attempt to give him a blank check, I cannot believe that Obama will actually attack Iran. The only way I can see it happening is if deranged Netanyahu bombs first with the hope that it will draw us in. Who wants to be the president responsible for starting WW3?
outsider
November 13th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Longfisher – You can contribute through "Paypal" instead of directly using your credit card with anti-war. I don't know if that gives you any more protection. However, unless you are in some sensitive position, I do think you sound a little paranoid. I'm old too (retired at least), but the older I get the less I worry what happens to me. We're not breaking any laws here.
outsider
November 13th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Actually Noah, I recently watched a program about some environmentalists who now believe that nuclear power is the answer to future energy needs and also best for the environment. The report says that, if built correctly, new nuclear plants are quite safe. They do not pollute like coal, oil, and even gas. Windmills and solar farms will never provide more than a fraction of our energy needs.
AngelaKeaton
November 13th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Money order is fine. So are used cars, bitcoin and much more.
outsider
November 13th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Very funny, Angela!
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November 13th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Just because they do not instantaneously appear doesn't mean they are not going to, look above and you will see them!
DLS
November 14th, 2013 at 2:20 am
US talks with Iran did not start recently with the Obama administration! Do a search on Google under "U.S.-Iran Thaw Grew From Years Of Behind-the-Scenes Talks" to read this WSJ report about US talks with Iran during GW Bush's "Two Terms." Obama's National Security Adviser Susan Rice "nurtured ties with her Iranian counterpart," when she was US ambassador to the UN from 2009-2013. It also isn't a secret that in 2007, the US & Iranian ambassadors to Iraq met four times to discuss "security" in Iraq when Iraq was under US military occupation. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2007/11/20/21861/us-an…
"We joke around here that we don't want to be stuck in a war between the 'Axis of Evil' and the 'Great Satan'," said Amar Hakim, the secretary-general of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, Iraq's largest political party."
Reality is more complex than political rhetoric, including what we hear from Netanyahu & AIPAC.
bozhidar balkas
November 14th, 2013 at 8:37 am
my answer to you is also held back. the three from yesterday haven't yet appeared!!!
Strider55
November 14th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
PayPal is linked to your checking account, so it cannot be considered anonymous either. Money orders should be OK.
Strider55
November 14th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
When those wells come online, Israel is expected to be a net energy exporter. Then we could end that annual $3-$4 billion giveaway to Israel, which recycles most of that loot here in order to purchase Congress and the MSM. (Yeah, I know — fat chance.)
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