Debate Highlight: Showdown Over Benghazi
Foreign policy came up just once – but that’s all it took
Since this presidential debate featured audience questions, and since Americans couldn’t care less about foreign policy, we were lucky to get even a single question on the subject. However, we got lucky when one fella got up and said he and some of his co-workers were disturbed by the news that the American consulate in Benghazi had been denied extra security prior to the attack which led to the death of Ambassador Chris Stevens. Why, he wanted to know, did that happen?
The President refused to answer the question: not in so many words, but by simply ignoring it. He used the opportunity to go on about the alleged success of his foreign policy: "I said we would end the war in Iraq, and I did" – forgetting the large number of "private contractors" still remaining, not to mention an "embassy" bigger than the Vatican and better armed than the Pentagon. He referred to his promise to scale down troops levels in Afghanistan, "and that’s what I did." Oh yeah, and Osama bin Laden is dead.
Well, yes, but what is the answer to the question – why was the Libyan consulate denied extra security?
The President isn’t telling. Candy Crowley broached the subject again when she asked if "the buck stops at the State Department." Hillary works for me, was Obama’s reply: yet still no answer to the very simple query about the decision to deny our Libyan diplomatic facilities extra security.
Mitt Romney, for his part, was no help. Instead of pursuing this angle, he went off on a tangent, repeating what we heard at the Biden-Ryan showdown: it took the President 14 days to acknowledge it was a terrorist attack – not true, as Candy helpfully confirmed. There was no demonstration protesting the "Innocence of Muslims" video, averred Romney, it was "a terrorist attack." Then we heard about Syria – 30,000 dead, said a mournful Mitt. Yes, but what would he do about it? There was no hint of that in his answer, which drifted off in to the stratosphere: the President’s foreign policy, we were told, is "unraveling."
Romney expected to score points on the Benghazi issue, but instead fell into a terminological quagmire, quibbling about what words the President used to describe the attack – and if you look at the transcript of Obama’s Rose Garden remarks, the President is correct that he described it as an "act of terror."
But so what? All violence is an "act of terror." The Benghazi assault, our drone war, the invasion of Iraq – all acts of terror. This is very far from confirming the right-wing Romneyite party line that Benghazi was a pre-planned operation masterminded by al Qaeda to mark the September 11 anniversary.
Obscuring the key role played by the "Innocence" video – because they really agree with its message, however inartfully expressed – Romney’s rightist base luxuriates in the notion that the President secretly sympathizes with the Islamists: and at the core of this is rumor that Obama is a secret Muslim (his middle name is a dead giveaway, don’tcha know).
Romney never says any of this explicitly, but he has his trusty dog whistle and he used it during the debate when he brought up Obama’s alleged "apology tour." He also mentioned the offensive video – without condemning it or even describing it – and once again implied that the President was playing politics with a national security issue of grave concern.
This is when Obama took Romney over his knee and gave him a good hard spanking – and one that was well-deserved. Turning to the GOP nominee with steel in his eyes and iron in his voice, he rejected the notion that he or any member of his administration would play politics with the lives of one of their own. To issue a press release in the midst of a crisis such as that, when lives were at stake and the fate of Ambassador Stevens was not yet known, was "offensive," said the President. But his eyes said: it was beneath contempt.
This was the most dramatic moment of the debate, and it’s significant it was over this issue in particular, because the War Party has been riding this story like a hobbyhorse. Their big problem, however, is that their narrative isn’t in accord with the facts. As the New York Times reports:
"To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video. That is what the fighters said at the time, speaking emotionally of their anger at the video without mentioning al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or the terrorist strikes of 11 years earlier. And it is an explanation that tracks with their history as a local militant group determined to protect Libya from Western influence."
Go read the whole story for yourself. I said this from the beginning: it was the video. "Innocence of Muslims" was a deliberate provocation: the movie trailer was publicized in the Arab world due to the efforts of the film’s makers, promoters, and unknown financial backers. Riots throughout the Muslim world were the result – and in Libya, these days, a "protest" is more than likely to be an armed assault rather than a peaceful demonstration with placards and speeches.
That the makers and promoters of "Innocence" were well aware of this possibility is my own theory, and as we learn more about the origins of this provocation I believe this will be confirmed. This was no random YouTube stunt but a well-organized operation: so far we know almost nothing about it, except that the film’s alleged creator has at least a dozen aliases and is now safely behind bars, where no journalists can ask him any questions. Even his probation hearing was held behind closed doors: reporters were allowed to watch via video in another room. There is something distinctly odd about the whole affair, and yet our incurious media dropped the ball almost immediately. Sam Bacile, alias Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, alias Mark Basseley Youssef, etc., has dropped out of the headlines, along with all efforts to ferret out the film’s financial backers and the real creator of the project, who is almost certainly not the jailbird and fraudster currently receiving all the "credit."
While I’m not going to discuss the rest of the debate, which dealt almost exclusively with domestic issues outside my usual purview, I had to laugh when Romney accused the Chinese of "currency manipulation" because the yuan is "undervalued." What has the United States been doing for the past few decades – and at an ever-accelerating rate – but degrading its own currency, thanks to the policies of the Federal Reserve? Surely he knows this: the man is a pure demagogue.
It seems there’s always a foreign devil to blame for our domestic crises – somehow it’s never our fault. Funny how that works. Given the China-bashing competition engaged in by both candidates, if I were the Chinese I’d stop financing the American debt and start buying up the world’s gold reserves.
As to who won the second debate, the answer is clear enough: the President came out looking presidential, while Romney, in his over-eagerness to score points, and his deadly earnestness, came out looking like what he is – an over-ambitious second-rater. The look on his face as the President was telling him off for playing politics with Benghazi told the whole story of this election, and signaled its probable outcome: Mitt looked like he’d been caught playing one of his college pranks, as Obama squashed his smug grin into a grimace of real pain.
In short, Romney looked like the loser he is – a characterization I firmly believe will be confirmed on election night.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
By the way, what is the answer to that man’s question about the denial of the Benghazi consulate’s request for extra security? Inquiring minds want to know….
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013
- Carla del Ponte’s Faux Pas – May 7th, 2013





Ben_C
October 16th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
What's Benghazi?
The only "Youtube" 'video' the 'voters' cared about tonight, on balance, is the following:
http://youtu.be/mBS0OWGUidc
This is essentially what NATO allegedly (I want to stress "ALLEGEDLY" here) fired over 100,000 sorties (over 20,000 "strike sorties") into Libya to accomplish: people able to ask this question to people they may, or may not, "vote" for–people who won't 'listen' anyway…
BIN SAFI
October 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Just like Justin, I could NOT Resist watching this (FREE) Show!
The Choice is SIMPLE: VERY Bad or MUCH Worse!!
P.S. The POTUS did Better this Time-Around…………..
Peace, Love & Respect.
Deep_Space
October 16th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Voting Is A Choice Between A Pink Dildo & A Purple Dildo
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZAmfDWsRwA” target=”_blank”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZAmfDWsRwA
El Tonno
October 16th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Good article. It is however amazing that the attack occurred on "September 11". Random occurrence, perfect planning of the video release or Jungian synchronicity? (well, I don't believe in the latter, actually)
Bob D
October 17th, 2012 at 5:14 am
I have to agree with the foreign policy comments Justin made within his "purview". But as to who won the debate, Romney continued to bludgeon Obama with the Keystone/Drilling/permit energy issue to which Obama either pretended wasn't even there or stonewalled with suspect counter statics. I don't think that works. Unfortunately for Romney, the last debate is on foreign policy. Obama will scare the crap out of the undecided voters highlighting Romney's prowar views and win the presidency, then do what Mitt would have done making wars, just like LBJ and Woodrow Wilson before him.
musings
October 17th, 2012 at 5:47 am
I suppose it is not in style to criticize the Keystone XL Canadian tar sands oil pipeline on the basis of its danger to the irreplaceable Oglala Aquifer (oil spills in the Gulf are ugly enough, but an oil spill to the water table from which comes all that necessary irrigation to the Midwestern cropland would be more disastrous).
The talking point about "energy independence" (in a world in which commodities are there for the selling) which Romney made was countered by Obama's reminder that more countries were competing for the resources than ever (i.e. China).
On the other hand, in trying to create the impression we were going to drill, baby, drill everywhere we could, I could not help but remember the spectacle of loggers in the Northwest getting mad that they couldn't cut down more redwoods to sell to Japan, and angry that their jobs were being taken away by the spotted owl. I guess ecology is the third rail in politics in these times, one which Obama was nimble enough not to step on last night.
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Boston Joe
October 17th, 2012 at 6:14 am
Nice balance in the article Justin although the bottom line is that dissing Romney means promoting Obama, however slightly, and that's hard to swallow when one is a criminal and the other is a criminal want-to-be.
MvGuy
October 17th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Reality:….. The electorate would give up two thirds of their constitutional rights for a dollar a gallon discount on gasoline……. They would sell their soul to Satin for $8250.00…….. Such is the state of things in America… PEACE and PROSPERITY….. What's that..??? It was NOT even a consideration. So the show goes on… The showmen Rommy & Obomba implore with every word. All the resources of government being employed, deployed to keep the image aloft.. America, land of opportunity. America, fountain of freedom. America, hope of the downtrodden…. Don't you dare utter that word: decay….. Don't even consider…the obvious: decline….. Hide those images…. Detroit, St Lewis…….. Camden….. The post industrial VOID……… and the desperate seekers, including the carefully chosen showmen candidates trying to paper over the black hole of doom with posters of happy faces… If you ask any real questions, there will be no answers….. But not to worry that truth and reality may poke it's head through the paper walls and scream…. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These shows are superb choreography of the current paradigm… The current delusion…… We're the shining city on the hill……. but the once green light has gone red….. blood red.. and all the green has been spent..
richard vajs
October 17th, 2012 at 7:44 am
One aspect of the debate that I found funny (in a sad sort of way) was the emphasis that both men (but especially Romney) put on China as our Shylock banker.
Actually, according to a close relative of mine who does know, the two hot centers for the selling of our Treasury bills and bonds are the Carribean and London (not China). The Carribean? Who knew that the Jamaicans and the Haitians were so loaded? Again, actually, as my confidant revealed to me, the money comes from the Cayman Islands. And the money in the Cayman Islands come from the rich Americans who hide their money from the IRS (Mitt Who?, Sheldon Who?), awaiting another sweatheart deal to "repatriotize" it. The Bain capital type of guys don't want to pay taxes, and are waiting for a chance to bring the loot back while blowing off any taxes. In the meantime, they will "loan" it to Uncle Sam. And as Uncle Sam needs to get the money so bad, he agrees to the this deal. As part of this unofficial deal, the interest level is about zero – which keeps the Chinese or any other legitimate investor from sticking his nose into it.
Outsider
October 17th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Justin, hard to deny that the 'Innocence' video had a lot to do with the embassy attack. However, I'm not in agreement with the mainstream story that the attackers were terrorists. Look at the situation from the perspective of Khaddafi loyalists (who may or may not have been involved). They just saw their country illegally bombed to hell by outside powers and the only leader most have ever known murdered like a dog in the gutter. If it were loyalists who attacked the consulate, maybe they were just looking for some payback. Remember the old saying that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
However, having said the above, it goes without saying that those perpetrating the attack must be punished by the US. I just hope that Obama's retaliation will not be too disproportionate. If it is, that too will probably result in additional escalation. BTW, I totally agree with your assessment of the debate. Romney came off like the bully that he is. Bullies don't wear well and are usually rejected. The next debate, which is on foreign policy, will be very interesting.
lame coverage
October 17th, 2012 at 7:52 am
wrong Candy Crowley has already admitted she was WRONG.
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Anti_Govt_Rebel
October 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Couldn't the Benghazi attack have occurred under any administration? Is the attack a real issue at all? Or a smokescreen over the larger issues?
Why is the US govt in the middle east at all? Don't these attacks "go with the territory" of being an empire? If an empire wants to rule over the rest of the world, it has to expect random attacks against its power.
ML3
October 17th, 2012 at 9:43 am
I know it sounds harsh, but no one CARES what happened in Benghazi. The precious US Ambassador who was killed had been giving his all in overthrowing the Gadhafi regime, supporting suspicious al-Qaeda elements of the so-called "uprising". He knew WTF he was doing. You play with fire, sometimes you get burned.
Maybe Obama felt there would be an intense amount of grateful ass-kissing by the Libyan people that he helped overthrow Gadhafi; guess it didn't work out that way. Chalk it up to sanctimonious, unneccessary warmongering, framed as "helping people."
Someone please ask Obama: Was getting rid of Gadhafi and killing all those Libyans worth the price of losing the Ambassador and the others? I bet BO doesn't care either, he just has to pretend to.
AS WITH SYRIA THEY SHOULD HAVE LEFT THOSE PEOPLE ALONE TO SORT THEIR OWN PROBLEMS OUT.
No one should feel sorry for the warmongers. Let them all burn in Hell, including the apologists, propagandists and planners. All scum to be burned. Eff 'em.
Jaime
October 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
If you want to punish the Lybians, who's going to punish the Americans for all the crimes they have perpetrated in so many countries over such a long period of time? If this happened in Benghazi, it's precisely because the US was looking for it. So instead of trying to find culprits, the US should just accept the consequences of their acts.
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J Norquist
October 17th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Reagan and Cap Weinberger handled their terrorist incident in Lebanon. After more than 200 US servicemen were killed Reagan pledged to stay the course in Lebanon and then reversed himself and wisely and quietly pulled out a few months later. The wise peacemaker was Defense Sec. Cap Weinberger who knew US Marines were vulnerable targets in Lebanon. Reagan showed leadership by retreating. Many on this site may detest Obama, but I think he's following Reagan's example even better than Reagan himself. De Gaulle pulled France out of Algeria, Ike got us mostly out of Korea, Ford took the Fall for ending the Viet War and George Washington retreated from Boston and New York. Obama has mostly pulled out of Iraq and seems to be leaving Afghanistan. Great leaders know how to retreat. I'm not saying Obama is great yet, but as a former US Army Reservist( 71-77) I'm voting for Obama rather than the Warmonger Romney.
Outsider
October 17th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Jaime, I agree with your comment. In a better world, we Americans should accept that we had it coming. However, the real world of US hegemony doesn't work like that. I hope that the Libyans themselves nab all the culprits. But even if they did, would the US accept it? With the chicken hawk Repugnicans screaming that Obama is weak on foreign affairs, it would not surprise me if Obama orders a strike before the election whether he has the facts or not.
Rich
October 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
What if the Obama administration thought the attack, rape, and murder of a US ambassador would cause Americans to rally around the president thus gaining him votes? The scene of Obama and Clinton standing behind the four flag-draped coffins strikes me as strange since Obama hasn't been photographed with any of the dead soldiers or marines when returned to the US. Isn't it possible the ambassador and the other Americans were just pawns in Obama's reelection campaign? Does anybody think someone as bloodthirsty as Obama, more than willing to kill women and children in Afghanistan, wouldn't pull something like this?
Sam
October 17th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
"In short, Romney looked like the loser he is – a characterization I firmly believe will be confirmed on election night." JUSTIN Peace must be given a chance.
True
October 17th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
May be somebody will find the names of unknown financial backers.
tim
October 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
"At about 4 a.m., the two officials said, the annex took mortar fire. Some rounds landed on the roof, killing two agents and severely wounding another. Tyrone S. Woods and Glen A. Doherty, two former Navy SEALs working as security personnel, were the other Americans killed in Benghazi. "
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-10/ambassad…
Yeah, I normally get out to protest at four in the morning, gotta beat the crowds.
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Dave
October 22nd, 2012 at 12:40 am
LOL. Try actually reading the article. What is it you people don't get? Spontaneous protest vs. planned terrorist attack is a false dichotomy. Members of Ansar Al-Sharia saw the video, planned the attack not over weeks but probably hours, and attacked.
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