The murder of US ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other US diplomats at the hands of rioters probably wasn’t just another case of Islamists-gone-wild. The circumstances surrounding this horrific incident — the riot was in reaction to a “film” supposedly made by a mysterious Israeli-American director under what is probably a pseudonym — point to a carefully staged and well-thought out event. The question is: staged by whom?
Let’s take a look at the film itself, entitled Innocence of Muslims. Media accounts of the movie’s content universally describe it as “crude,” “insulting,” “amateurish” — in short, not exactly a candidate for the Academy Awards. Yet this fails to really capture the spirit of the film, which can only be described as leering: there is an exhibitionistic quality to the “script,” which dwells on matters sexual. The movie, which claims to portray the life and times of the prophet Mohammed, consists of a series of sexualized vignettes interspersed with scenes of violence. News accounts refer to the “wooden” acting, and I think this is literally true: the actors come off like puppets in a Punch & Judy show. There is the same slapstick quality to their actions and particularly the bantering that passes for dialogue. It’s all centered on sex — Mohammed’s alleged pedophilia, how he and his followers raped the villages they conquered, and naturally accusations of homosexuality loom large.
My favorite scene is when two of Mohammed’s followers are having a conversation about “did you know Mohammed is gay?” “Well, I knew about” Mohammed’s alleged sex partner, “but Mohammed? Is he submissive or the dominant one?” Mohammed, who has been sitting there listening to the conversation, leans over and says: “Both!”
Innocence of Muslims is the Grand Guignol of the Islamophobes: viewing it is like reading the comments section of Pam Geller’s blog, or Robert Spencer’s JihadWatch. On a somewhat higher level, the excerpts we have seen resemble nothing so much as a dramatization of the “theories” of one Raphael Patai, a cultural anthropologist who averred in his 1973 book, The Arab Mind, that Arabs are peculiarly susceptible to sexual humiliation. As Seymour Hersh put it in his 2004 investigation into the horrors of Abu Ghraib:
“The notion that Arabs are particularly vulnerable to sexual humiliation became a talking point among pro-war Washington conservatives in the months before the March, 2003, invasion of Iraq. One book that was frequently cited was The Arab Mind, a study of Arab culture and psychology, first published in 1973, by Raphael Patai, a cultural anthropologist who taught at, among other universities, Columbia and Princeton, and who died in 1996. The book includes a twenty-five-page chapter on Arabs and sex, depicting sex as a taboo vested with shame and repression. ‘The segregation of the sexes, the veiling of the women . . . and all the other minute rules that govern and restrict contact between men and women, have the effect of making sex a prime mental preoccupation in the Arab world,’ Patai wrote. Homosexual activity, ‘or any indication of homosexual leanings, as with all other expressions of sexuality, is never given any publicity. These are private affairs and remain in private.’ The Patai book, an academic told me, was ‘the bible of the neocons on Arab behavior.’ In their discussions, he said, two themes emerged —‘one, that Arabs only understand force and, two, that the biggest weakness of Arabs is shame and humiliation.’”
Shame and humiliation — followed by murderous rage. Precisely the reaction that greeted the posting of Innocence of Muslims online and led to the deaths of four Americans, and the first such incident involving an American ambassador in quite some time. If someone was deliberately setting a fire in the Middle East, this was the fuel that would burn hottest.
In her response to the attacks, Hillary Clinton was clear that this had nothing to do with the Libyan government “or the Libyan people.” How did she know that so soon after the event — before even a preliminary investigation had been launched? Which is to say she didn’t know, but was merely hoping.
Yet there is evidence of official complicity, at least at some level. When the consulate initially came under attack, the Ambassador and key personnel were moved to another building: when the rioters broke in, they found the place empty. However, the Libyan “security” team assigned to guard the compound helpfully pointed out where the Americans were located: presumably they did this in the process of fleeing. Whether they did it to save their own lives, or out of sympathy for the rioters, is an open question.
The timing is significant. The United States is currently in the midst of a perilous maneuver: in an attempt to forestall an anticipated wave of radical Islamist upsurges on traditionally pro-American turf, Washington has launched a pro-Sunni pro-“democracy” turn in the Middle East. The idea is to co-opt the “Arab Spring,” and use its energy to install moderate and pro-Western regimes on the Turkish model. After the fall of Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, the new strategy went into high gear with the Libyan intervention.
Initially hailed as a great triumph of Obamaite diplomacy and resolve, the Libyan “revolution” — managed in part by the departed Ambassador Stevens — subsumed radical elements under its broad tent. As critics of the US role pointed out at the time, these elements dominated the military wing of the “transitional” governing council, which was populated with Western-educated liberals who had no guns to back them up.
The NATO-backed rebels took power and soon became the launching pad for Washington’s next regime-change project: the overthrow of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad and his Ba’ath Party. Libyan fighters were soon shooting up the streets of Damascus, and enjoying the hospitality of their Turkish allies just over the border. So far, so good — until the Benghazi collision with reality.
That the alliance with Islamists has come back to bite the Americans in the tail is hardly surprising. The warlords of Washington have been playing with fire in their Middle Eastern intrigues, and they have been badly burned. But who, if I may ask, set the fire?
Which brings us back to Innocence of Muslims and its mysterious creators — because one person didn’t finance, film, and organize this little operation. It took a lot of forethought, first of all, to effectively mask the true creators of this enterprise: apparently the alleged “director,” one “Sam Bacile,” has been operating under a pseudonym from the beginning of his film project.
A preview attended by less than a dozen people took place in Southern California, and sources at the down-and-out dive where the event took place describe a man named Sam who delivered the film to the theater. A man purporting to be Bacile spoke to the Associated Press, and in the interview described himself as a 56 year old “Israeli-American” who worked as a real estate developer in California. No record of Bacile exists in California’s real estate database, and the Israelis say they have no record of his citizenship — presumably dual citizenship.
Upon the release of this interview, an immediate effort to debunk the alleged Israeli connection was launched, with Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic citing the loony leader of the group that promoted the film as saying Bacile isn’t Israeli and is “probably” evangelical. Laura Rozen found suspicious Bacile’s claim he’d raised the money for his directorial debut from “100 Jews.” What Jew, she wonders, would say that — and why precisely one-hundred? Yet the claim was “over 100,” and people say a lot of things, which may or may not be true.
Bacile’s cell phone number was given to AP by one Morris Sadek, a Coptic Christian activist, and was subsequently traced to an address on the outskirts of Los Angeles: the residence of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a 55-year-old Coptic Christian convicted of bank fraud and identity theft in 2010. Although Nakoula stoutly denies being “Sam Bacile,” the similarity to some of his many aliases is more than a little suspicious. Yet he told the Telegraph:
“I didn’t know this movie, I didn’t work on it, I know nothing about it. They need to blame someone. I’m a gas station worker, how can I have made a five million dollar movie? I didn’t know anything about the movie. Now the FBI are having to come to protect me.”
Nakoula’s contention that he doesn’t “know this movie” should surely be taken with a very large grain of salt. As the Telegraph reports:
“His protestations were undermined by the fact that his front door, and a chandelier visible just inside, looked very similar to those featured in a scene from ‘Innocence of Muslims.’ One of the actors in the film also bore a strong resemblance to a young man seen at the house.”
Yet none of this proves Nakoula is the creator and prime mover behind this cinematic provocation. The cell phone “Sam” used is associated with Nakoula’s address, but this is hardly definitive, especially given the lengths to which “Sam” went to remain anonymous. Nakoula undoubtedly had something to do with Innocence of Muslims, but whether he was the central player, a mere collaborator, or a cut out — a false flag planted to divert attention away from the real authors — remains to be seen. He had collaborators. Who are they?
A gas station worker is a far cry from a real estate developer, and Nakoula asks a good question: how could someone who just got out of jail and is presumably paying restitution afford to finance a movie? Although the $5 million claim is dubious, given the quality of the product, a substantial sum was required to put the film together. The original title was “Desert Warrior,” according to the casting call — issued by a company headed up by another variation of the “Bacile” pseudonym — and the script had nothing to do with Mohammed. Instead, the actors were told it was to be a movie about life in the region 2,000 years ago. The offensive lines were dubbed in. All in all, a fairly complex operation involving deception, extreme discretion, and readily available cash — the actors were paid in $20 bills out of “Sam’s” pocket. It took money, organization, and timing: the trailer was released on YouTube the day before 9/11, an anniversary fraught with the potential for violence. Shortly after its release, it was given Arabic titles and a translated version posted on YouTube — although “Bacile” claims he doesn’t know who did that.
The key question to ask about this incident, and the motives of the film’s makers, is this: what did it accomplish? The answer is that it drove a wedge between Washington and its newfound Islamist allies, specifically the governments of Libya and Egypt. That’s why Hillary was so quick to absolve Tripoli of any responsibility: but her mere assertion cannot hide the reality of the split, which is sure to widen.
Who would want to undermine Washington’s tilt toward the Islamists, however “moderate”? In what country — aside from the Land of the Neocons — are the Patai-like views dramatized in Innocence commonly held? Which of our vaunted allies is all but openly rooting for Romney, and would have cause to rejoice in what has got to be the low point of Obama’s presidency, at least in foreign policy terms?
The ingredients were all there: a volatile country, Libya, with well-armed radical Islamists running loose, the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and a history of provocations aimed at Muslims specifically defaming and ridiculing the prophet Mohammed. All that was needed to produce outbreaks of violent rage was the right provocation.
“Shame and humiliation” — it works every time.
There are several competing theories about who or what’s behind the Innocence imbroglio. Rachel Maddow floated what looks to be the Obama administration’s take: the whole thing was an al-Qaeda plot, timed specifically to avenge the death of Abu Yahya al-Libi, the Libyan al-Qaeda leader who was second in command of the group since Osama bin Laden’s death and Zawahiri’s rise to the top leadership position. She pointed to a number of factors that make this credible: a video released on the eve of 9/11, valorizing al-Libi’s memory and calling for retribution for his death in a US drone strike. The video showed explosions in the area of the consulate specifically. Yet this proves nothing but that al Qaeda has an active fan club in the area. The big problem with Maddow’s theory is that if al Qaeda was behind the whole thing they surely would’ve taken credit for it by now: they aren’t shy about such things.
The Obamaites have every reason to treat this as another al Qaeda plot, if only because the alternatives — including the utter failure and complete collapse of our pro-Sunni “turn” — are unmentionable. With two warships headed for the Libyan coast, a contingent of Marines to beef up embassy security, and a fleet of drones flying overhead supposedly seeking out the culprits, we have to invent a complicated terrorist plot to justify our actions. The funny thing is, it could all boil down to nothing more than the antics of a bunch of Southern California right-wing lunatics having their idea of fun with YouTube — a lark that ended in tragedy.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Edward Snowden vs. the Sovietization of America – June 18th, 2013
- A Note to My Readers – June 16th, 2013
- Datagate and the Death of American Liberalism – June 13th, 2013
- Smear Brigade Goes After Snowden – June 11th, 2013
- Edward Snowden, American Hero – June 9th, 2013





Oswaldwasalefty
September 13th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Well, this new Libya is Obama's baby. He had to have it his way, and that meant nothing short of crushing the previous stable regime that had been governing the country quite successfully. Welcome to the new Lebanon on the Mediterranean. Of course, no "failed" (murdered) nation state can do without a U.S. occupation of some sort. This will make it that much easier to justify building military bases in Libya and carry out an occupation much like the one in Afghanistan circa 2008-2002.
Last year I had half jokingly nominated Juan Cole to be the U.S. Ambassador to Libya. And I honestly think it would have been more fitting if he had been in Stevens place when the consulate attack happened. It was Cole who used his "progressive" credentials to go to the mat in favor of over throwing Qaddafi. It seems to me more fair that he should have been the one facing the music in the consulate the day the attack happened. But of course Cole is nowhere to be found anywhere in the nation he advocated destroying, enjoying his comfortable existence in his easy chair in his own office in the Ivory Tower.
bke
September 13th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Very well put.
Joe
September 13th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
I could be some Copt Christians. I'm sure they have their crazy dudes, just like everybody else. The actors were probably relatives. They would have reason to drive a wedge, seeing that the US State Dept. is coddling to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Joe
September 13th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
I could be some Copt Christians. I'm sure they have their crazy dudes, just like everybody else. The actors were probably relatives. They would have reason to drive a wedge, seeing that the US State Dept. is coddling to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Joe
September 13th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
I could be some Copt Christians. I'm sure they have their crazy dudes, just like everybody else. The actors were probably relatives. They would have reason to drive a wedge, seeing that the US State Dept. is coddling to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Joe
September 13th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I meant "It could be …"
Johnny in Wi.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
To me it looks like a false flag operation with people who claim to be Coptic Christians behind it. What does it accomplish? It cause a huge mess all over the Muslim world with USA the main target. It gives extemist groups pushing for endless war against Muslims yet more ammunition. It will make millions of Christians in Muslim countries targets of violence. Who would bennefit from thsi fiasco except people who want to keep group hatred and war alive? One thing I am sure of this was a brilliant move by the people who pulled it off. The Coptic Christians get the blame, not somene else who gains by it. Christians get nothing out of it but misery. Who hates both Muslims and Christians?
mickperry
September 14th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Atheists? http://www.redmoonrising.com/Ikhwan/BritIslam.htm
davidgrayling
September 14th, 2012 at 1:49 am
This farce exposes the vulnerability of humans, their irrational behavior, their crude instincts, their brutality and immaturity.
I'm talking about all humans, including those who are deranged enough to class themselves as 'exceptional' or 'Children of God'.
MoT
September 14th, 2012 at 3:07 am
Amazing how modern tech can spread this absurd "message" of hate via YouTube and at the same time allow us to track down and identify players involved so quickly. There are times I long for the old days when you simply "didn't know".
mick
September 14th, 2012 at 3:47 am
Judging from the photos as many experts have suggested, of the ambassador, he had the same treatment that Hitlery "we came we saw he died" Clinton gave Gadaffi, sodomized tortured and brutally killed.
Not that anybody, not even this little weasel deserves that but he must have seen it coming or at least the possibility, he knew these death squad fanatic, "our bastards" extremely well and there was not even a chopper waiting for him on the roof…
Enjoy Every Sandwich
September 14th, 2012 at 4:28 am
The folks at Faux News have been trying to connect all of this to…Iran. Naturally. They haven't blamed the killings on Iran per se but have tried to fit the killings into a "big picture" where the U.S. must attack Iran because they'll GET US!!! because they think we're weak.
Johnny D
September 14th, 2012 at 4:34 am
Like you, HIllary's "we came, we saw, he died" (along with her sadistic cackle) immediately came to mind when I first heard about the Ambassador's murder. To me, that utterance was another marker along the road of America's absolute moral degeneration, as was the media and politico's collective glee at the manner employed by our new allies to deliver 'justice' to Gadaffi.
richard vajs
September 14th, 2012 at 5:34 am
A "culture of shame and humiliation" ? What do you think our right-wing culture right here at home is? A culture of bullying, fascination with guns and killing, obsession over the control of women's sexuality – sounds to me like the right-wingnuts projected their own dark natures onto the Arabs.
Good direction though, Raimondo, this country's foreign policy can no longer be analyzed by logic alone, we need the tools of psychology especially those used to study aberrant behavior.
Harrmtl
September 14th, 2012 at 6:22 am
When in doubt, blame Israel. It could have been an Israeli, so what? Protocols of the elders of Zion has been floating around for decades, beloved by Jew haters of all stripes. Big f-ing deal. Another piece of hate propaganda on the Internet – hardly worth an entire column IMO.
Gera Rosy
September 14th, 2012 at 6:28 am
Quoting Maddow is a joke. She is a shill for Obama and the Democratic Party, along with the rest of the MSNBC buffoons, Thom Hartman, and The Young Jerks. I don't know why Raimondo is so enamored with her. Perhaps some day he will explain.
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gstorm
September 14th, 2012 at 7:34 am
It sure seems that a key component – if there was a larger plot behind this – is that the makers would remain anonymous. That just makes everyone blame everyone else which seems to be happening.
Benjacomin Bozart
September 14th, 2012 at 7:48 am
From the first this reminded me of the snake-handling minister who died from a snake bite during one of his services. The Mossad came to mind next.
My neocon friends have been clogging my email and Facebook accounts with Republican ads saying basically the Reagan and Romney were and are the type of leaders who will nuke Libya in retribution then hit Cairo for good measure.
They are also so pro-democracy they fault Obama for not saturation bombing Tahrir Square to make sure our and Israels pet puppet remained in power. Of course they are also out to knife Assad for doing what they wanted Mubarak to do. But they are also rabid hyper-nationalists America military lovers that expect the US to take orders from Israel and have their "heroes" die bloody deaths for Bibi's greater glory. It's amazing their brains don't explode.
Rich
September 14th, 2012 at 7:48 am
The hilarity of justifying Islamic crazies reacting to a you tube video by raping and murdering is way beyond the pale. How about the outright murder of Christians and Jews by your peaceful Islamists? How about all your anti-Christian artwork subsidized by the NEA that shows up in public museums? Remember the riots after that anti-Catholic Davinci Code movie? Remember all that Christian rioting after the Last Temptation of Christ was released. Grow up and face reality. The truth about Mohammed is actually pretty ugly in my opinion. A religion that justifies war, murder, rape and subjugation of others is not exactly "peaceful". Don't take my word for it, read the Koran, then read the New Testament, I repeat the NEW TESTAMENT(not the Old Testament) and see what you think.
Benjacomin Bozart
September 14th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Should that be GIT US?
Jag
September 14th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Why not come right out and say who you believe is responsible for this whole fiasco…the Zionist Jews. Why are you people tippy- toeing all around the ones that have the most to gain…other than the Munitions makers. Since when has having Concrete Proof been considered an obstacle ? Fear of being called an "anti-semite" is just a smoke screen that the Real anti-semites..the Zionist-Jews .. have been using against any and all that get too close to the truth. They have been hiding behind this bit of semantics for decades to protect their conniving rear ends. I, for one, resent being considered to be as dense as a nail. Don't you ?
WashingtonDC Goddamn
September 14th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Blame it on a film that likely few if any of the attackers have seen or heard of? Blowback yes, but not because of the film.
WashingtonDC Goddamn
September 14th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Blame it on a film that likely few if any of the attackers have seen or heard of? Blowback yes, but not because of the film.
Jag
September 14th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Since when ? Too close to the truth ?
San Fernando Curt
September 14th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Wednesday night, Goldberg said claims that the filmmaker was an Israeli Jew looked like (gasp!) Antisemitism. Maybe some day we goys will get a short list of what ISN'T Antisemitism. Hopefully, by that time, we won't give a damn. Like our foreign policy itself, the only country that benefits from our bust-up with Islamic "allies" and the Mideast in turmoil (again) is Israel.
Popsiq
September 14th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Gadaffi should have had it so good.
For a dead person the Ambassador looked to be remarkably intact. The Libyans in the photos with his body looked like they were assisting to carry him out of the building as opposed to abusing his corpse.
His clothing bore no traces of blood and the smoke smudging on his skin indicates that, while he may have been in a fire, he wasn't burned. Nor was he smothered – as the smoke around his mouth and nose looked undisturbed.
The rocket attack on his car was obviously the result of some initial exuberant misinformation.
What is interesting is how the ambassador could have become 'separated' from his security detail whose prime purpose is to protect his person. They, at some point, weren't where they were supposed to be i.e within touch of him..
Popsiq
September 14th, 2012 at 9:55 am
I've you've ever had to exit a chopper under enema gunfire, as Missy Clinton had to do, you might begin to understand the humor of heroes, or, in this case, a heroin.
Popsiq
September 14th, 2012 at 9:57 am
They've launched an 'assault' on the Swiss Embassy, so we're told.
jeff_davis
September 14th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Total projection.
I'm fond of semi-jokingly saying that Republican politicians are actually ***ALL*** gay, not just Larry "Widestance" Craig, and that Foley guy. I mean look at Cheney's suppressed — well, okay, not so suppressed — rage. Pissed off at the world because of his secret shame at what he is. And Bush, his little leather boy, likewise pissy and hysterical and ready to strike out at someone, say Saddam Hussein, so as to salve his shame-based self-hatred.
Remember the Gannon/Guckert over-nighters at the Bush White House.
Projection, indeed.
NotCredulous
September 14th, 2012 at 10:16 am
The Zionist are not above this sort of thing, but they would ave had higher production values (remember the Clarion Fund presentations).
I think Justin is over-thinking it… Some Copts can be as vicious as Israeli Settlers, but with none of the intelligence. In the US, they come into some money, and they thought it would be fun to make this pile of drek. It is very possible they do not have a grand design.
Generalissimo X
September 14th, 2012 at 10:21 am
the entire arab spring was a lie from day 1. it was not a nascent, "organic" movement, but rather was entirely engineered and controlled by the cia, m16, and elements of the mossad. the goal was not only regime change, a useless euphemism for the global elite, but complete regional destabilization. it's working. egypt, libya and pretty soon syria will be run by our gov't backed al qaeda fighters. 3 sovereign nations completely undone in the space of a year or two. how many times were u.s. embassies attacked under ghaddafi? under mubarek? they weren't.
the fact that these guys have gone frankenstein on their creator is a total win. "crazy" muslims storming embassies are great for the business of war and fear, the primary exports of america now. see, muslims freak out over a movie, look at those savages killing americans. somebody needs to do something! and somebody will. i can hear the scripts and BS flying now.."recent events in the middle east cause us all to reflect on the position of american interests in the region." we have no choice but to defend our country…blah blah.." the more F-ed it up it is there, the better. there is no and never will be a pax americana. every drone launch, every missle strike, every deployed battleship, is a cash register "cha ching" for the military industrial complex. sure the zionists probably made this movie, but to think the u.s. gov't doesn't have an "executive producer" credit is naive at best.
Backwoodsman
September 14th, 2012 at 10:26 am
We Muslims love our God, and love His last Prophet as one would love a father. We do not take kindly to insults to our respective actual fathers either. It is not our fault that Christians do not love Jesus. Why else tolerate him being made into comedy fodder. We would protest insults to Jesus too, but since it always is you Christians who do it, we no have idea how to react…
In summary, keep us Muslims out of your weird fetish of defaming and mocking your Prophets and elders. Its disgusting, loathsome and immature.
Backwoodsman
September 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
And stop talking out of your backside about other peoples beliefs… Surfing Yahoo comment boards does not make you an expert in comparative theology.
bke
September 14th, 2012 at 10:51 am
The only person there who seemed to be willing to call Obama out was Keith Olbermann, and he got the axe.
Mike
September 14th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Gee, Rich why must we avoid the old testament? The evangelical loonies are perfectly happy to cite it whenever and wherever they find it useful-particularly when someone is doing something with their sex organs that evangelicals dislike.
But, there is little need to harken to the old testament to condemn much of mainstream christianity as every bit as violent as islam. How about Matt. 10 for instance where Jesus threatens a fate worse than Sodom and Gomorrah upon the cities where people do not embrace his apostles and where (Matt. 10:34) Jesus proclaims that, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Let's not for a single second forget that neither the Bible or the Koran determine the actual practice of either religion-the people that run the religion and interpret either document do. Popes, who are "infallible" authorized a series of brutal crusades, and sponsored brutal repression of heretics and witches. Protestants had no problem picking up the torch.
By the way, let us also not forget that the West-largely the vicious British Empire and later the slightly more humane US-has been brutalizing the population of the Middle-East for nearly a century. This includes policies of indiscriminate slaughter with both machine guns and poison gas by the British, the US penchant for cruise missiles and smart bombs, as well as the fiendish support of brutal and repressive regimes from the Saud dynasty to the Egyptian, Libyan, and Syrian thugs who currently have the stage(or recently did.)
Arabs have every reason to hate, with a seething passion, everything about "Western democracies", as they have been paying the butcher's bill for a hundred years of horror. The protests have little to do with Islam, and everything to do with violence-ours.
I want it to stop. As a Christian, would you join me in helping to end the slaughter in the Middle-East? Our government needs to come home and mind its own business-or it needs to end.
Oswaldwasalefty
September 14th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Let's not lose sight of the forest for the trees here and assume that the anti-Washington protests are mainly about religion. What the reaction to the film is exposing is a deep seated resentment at the behavior of Washington throughout the Arab/Muslim world. I mean this started on September 11 in Benghazi, heart of the anti-Qaddafi uprising Washington helped take power. We knew all along that the people of Benghazi certainly didn't want U.S. military bases and give always of the nation's oil in exchange for overthrowing Qaddafi. The quid pro quo for any deal you make with Washington are military bases, the bread and butter of U.S. colonialism.
Outsider
September 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Ron Paul, among others against the US Empire, have repeatedly warned about 'blowback' from our many aggressions in the ME. Now that many other US embassies are under attack, isn't it time to question our endless meddling in their countries? This blasphemous film is apparently the spark that caused our current troubles in the ME, but it has been a powderkeg for many years, exacerbated by Bush's senseless Iraq aggression as well as our role in offing Gaddafi, thus bringing Libya to the brink of civil war.
Now, imagine how much worse things would be if Romney becomes Pres? He appears to be itching to use the military option (although he was safely in France during Vietnam, receiving a Morman missionary deferrment). If Romney wins, look for him to follow Netanyahu's direction to start bombing Iran. Under Romney get ready for WW3.
tod
September 14th, 2012 at 11:43 am
I guess we'll need more troops for the middle-east, now? Just in time too, I think Iran was about to wipe Israel off the map or something and our other troops, and contractors and what have you might be in danger. Oh and don't forget about Syria. Egypt and Libya are unstable, OH NO! needs more troops.
Outsider
September 14th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Joe Scarborough ('Morning Joe') talks and interrupts too much, but is hardly an Obama shill. His comments against Romney, for not being a real conservative, are usually on target. 'Morning Joe' is far superior to the fluff shown on the 3 network morning shows. However, I lost total respect for MSNBC when they fired Pat Buchanan for writing the truth in "Death of a Superpower." Can you believe they actually gave Al Sharpton an hour long show?
patriothere
September 14th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
My take on this, seeing the embassies ablaze and the rioters throwing stuff, is that this is akin to that famous piece of history where those troops were leaving on that chopper in saigon. That's what this is. It's over. It's time to just get the hell out of the middle east and let the chips fall where they may. We have no dog in this fight!
WashingtonDC Goddamn
September 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Thanks for your observation.
Cue up Hillary and Barack: "Wasn't because of anything WE did, it was that freekin' film. Let's arrest the criminal that produced it!"
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Mike
September 14th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Damn straight. Thumbs up buddy.
Outsider
September 14th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
BTW, Gera Rosy, Maddow actually makes quite a few logical arguments. She's far superior to the scary, hateful, Obama obsessed neocon opposite her show on Fox – Hannity! How anyone can stand him for more than 5 minutes is beyond me.
mickperry
September 14th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Jag I am only one person and so I am baffled by your reference to 'you people' unless you're referring to the posters as a group.
I will happily come right out though and say that I expect this turn of events to be yet more of the work of the NotS: namely the the Nexus of the Skulduggerous, and so why should we all focus on right wing Zionist Jews in Israel to the exclusion of the French, the Brits, and even the good old US of A itself; the country which also happens to be Israel's Don, and without which Israel would probably not even exist today?
My point is simply that this has all been happening long before the state of Israel even existed, and so for this reason I linked my posting to a potted history of the region, that you apparently never bothered to read and think about.
The link includes a reference to the work of the arms dealer and author Said K Arbushi, who once described the Saudi King for example as a pleasure seeking drunkard, which is fair enough, but this King was also supposed to be the Guardian of Islam.
All we know about this king in fact is that he was called the Guardian of Islam, that he represented the Wahhabi strain of Islam, and that he was also obviously an atheist.
It's an interesting history, and when you start to think about it you realise that it's not just the Muslims that have this problem.
Romney's not a drunk and he's obviously not a Christian either.
Meanwhile, what's a Mormon?
Is Obama one?
I'd say Bibi's an atheist too.
Rich
September 14th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Wow, you dig through the gospels and the thing you come up with is Jesus Christ referring to how God, not man, will deal with cities that reject the good news? Come on, man, Jesus preached turning the other cheek, giving unto Caesar what is Caesar's, settling disputes peacefully, forgiving one's brother seven times seventy times, forgiving adulterers, tax collectors and thieves. The reason I said the New Testament is that this is the book of Christianity and although I am not evangelical I have not met any evangelicals who keep kosher or stone adulterers and homosexuals as is called for in both the Old Testament and Koran. In fact St Paul is very specific when he states that Christians no longer fall under the regulations laid out in the Old Testament. St James tells gentiles to avoid immoral behavior and meats sacrificed to idols. Now I'll agree that there are many people who call themselves Christian but do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but just because I glue feathers to my back that doesn't make me a chicken. A Moslem who kills someone for insulting his prophet is not sinning, a Christian who kills someone who insults Jesus Christ is committing a sin.
bke
September 14th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
But if we don't fight the commies in Nam we'll have to fight em here. And the end result, since the commies took over Nam they have fought 2 other countries, those two countries, Cambodia and China……both of which were also Communist.
Backwoodsman
September 14th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Reading your answer, it seems you are demanding the reader to have a deeper understanding of the epistemology of the New Testament than you have deigned to attain about Muslim religious texts or the life of the Prophet that you so blithely defame.
Observe, that I have not once cast aspirations on the merits of your faith even if I am very skeptical about them. I do not have first hand knowledge of the New Testament, have no desire to acquire it, and will not comment upon it unless needlessly goaded, and even then, I would not defame Jesus and his Apostles. Is it too much to ask for the same courtesy?
And as for the merits of killing people who insult the Prophet, if Prophetic precedent is anything to go by, Muslims should hail such ignorant people from afar, and go their way. But nowadays, people are so angry (about the wars, the support of Hosni, Gaddafi and the Zionists, and so much more), that anyone giving that advice does so at his own risk.
Rich
September 14th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
In what way have I defamed your prophet or your faith? Have I made any statement about Islam that is not true? I am skeptical about your religion and am well-versed in its precepts. I have read the Koran, in English, and I have also read commentaries on it. I would not presume to tell Moslems that they should change their religion, as the Jews have done, to end stonings or the beheading of non-believers, but I will not hesitate to point out the inherent violence written about and still practiced by Moslems.
SarahConnor
September 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Being an ex-Mormon I know all their beliefs. Basically their beliefs are exactly like Christians, infact the Book of Mormon has plagiarized portions of the Bible. The Mormons believe that Armageddon has to occur to usher in the second coming of Christ. Then just as the Jews are to be pushed into the ocean low and behold the Jews will recognize Christ as their Savior as he descends and will save them and the earth from destruction. This will then usher in 1000 of peace.
Wish all these people would do a little research and figure out we are all here from evolution and that it will be too late by the time they have just about destroyed everything that no Christ, no Mohammed, etc., is going to save them!
SarahConnor
September 14th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Oh those rascally Islamists getting all their revenge! Just heard they have also attacked the U.S. southern Afghan base. How does this spread so quickly since most of these Arabs don't have the internet but then I guess all their leaders have iPhones.
Bianca
September 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Confused! What enemy gunfire? Are we talking about her wholly made up story about her landing in Bosnia? On the same flight with Sinbad, who claims that the only challenge they had was their luch choice.
The disappearance of our Ambassador, how he was found, and then delivered to the hospital is still not clear. How was he separated from the security, and then found so much later? The picture of him being dragged by some people, looked scary. I am hoping those were rescuers, not his torturers. Hillary is trying to get out of this one. How depressing.
Bianca
September 14th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
The "meddling" is not in our vocabulary. It just does not exist. We are there to give them freedom and democracy. They hate us for our freedom. End story.
Bianca
September 14th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Occassionally she makes sense, and certainly when compared to scary creatures that inhabit our TV space, she is sane by comparison. She is a good Borg, dutififully assimilated. Telling us that the resistance is futile.
Bianca
September 14th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Fully agree. This just may be the case of few conservative nuts, and their financial backers that suddenly became publicity shy. But the sooner it is cleared up, and we know who did the movie, the better. If this remains centered around this one guy — it will be very suspicious. This one man, however nutty, could not have done all the work. Call for actors, production, funding, screening, and eventual hook up with the Jones fellow. There are more people involved in it.
shelly
September 14th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
I have a problem with evolution, if we came from monkeys and/or apes then why do they still exist? Australopithicus is gone as well as Neanderthals, although I think I may have met a few throw-backs in my life. Yet monkeys and apes still exist in forms of themselves maybe smaller, but they still exist. If we came from monkeys or apes they would not exist.
Jag
September 14th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Yes, I was referring to the posters as a group. And yes, there is very little that I have not researched about the Zionist and how they came to exist. So have you.
Do not think that I am overlooking how the West has accommodated and been fellow travelers for the past 200 years with these evil warmongering people. It is no secret that these Pharisees Jews have been run out of every country that has made the mistake of giving them succor out of 'pity' for the Pore Outcasts. Sob,Sob!
They have attempted to gain control of the Host Country every time, and had to be Expelled. Clearly, we in the West were conned by their claim to be "The Chosen."
It is a sad commentary that the West has allowed itself to be trapped by both Greed and Stupidity. The biggest mistake was allowing the printing of our money by this Jew-Owned Federal Reserve that has nada to do with Federal. Then we that call ourselves Christians, let our Christian Faith be high-jacked by this tribe of Lucifer worshipers that openly ridicule Our Jesus, the finisher of our Faith. Smart, we are not.
Religion is being used by the Zionist Jews to foment hatred between Christianity and Islam. Holding themselves out as 'the Chosen Ones' is laughable.
Our Government has been bought ,bribed or blackmailed by the many millions of dollars that the AIPAC Lobby gives every one in office, or running for office. Have you not wondered why..after every 'Election' almost every member of the House and Senate rush to pay homage at the AIPAC Convention like a bunch of homing pigeons..and then make their Pilgrimage to Israel ?
I could go on and on, but why bother. All it does is make me want to puke at the sorry state of the awareness of what a mess my country is in. And most appear not to know or care, if they do know.
ted
September 15th, 2012 at 12:39 am
Thank goodness, you decided to not go on and on. "Our Jesus" the finisher of your faith? Let me put a finishing touch on it pal…Jesus did not die for your sins, he died because of them. Yes, he was the "Sacrificial Lamb of God" should say" for God". nailed to a cross and pierced in the abdomen. Religion can be hatred, doesn't matter whose it is. God never left and there is a reason you can't find God and are always thinking you are waiting for God to come back.
Atheist
September 15th, 2012 at 1:35 am
http://karmatics.com/docs/evolution-still-there-a…
Atheist
September 15th, 2012 at 1:35 am
http://karmatics.com/docs/evolution-still-there-a…
ted
September 15th, 2012 at 1:42 am
I don't remember anyone having any control of my sexuality. Sounds to me like the left wing nut-jobs would be the ones who want control. Whether I choose to have children or not is not your business or the left wing fruits who choose to believe they are something they are not. Most woman are the worst of the worst when it comes to being an intelligent, sorry chics. I guess that is why so few are libertarian. Must suck to actually face facts. Me, I just say I am a gay man in a woman's body, my husband finally caught on to my meaning,
ted
September 15th, 2012 at 2:37 am
Bunch of garbage. Simple fact we must have come from some species of ourselves.
"Some of the apes lived near the edge of the forest, where the thick trees give way to the drier grasslands, or savanna."
Any third grade student studying a bad film could come to the same conclusion. Look at any species on the planet from elephants to sharks or crocodiles or snakes to humans even horses,all came from a form of themselves. Whether they got bigger or smaller they really haven't changed. Same with Apes and monkeys. So to say that humans came from apes or monkeys is a stretch because those species exist at the same time we supposedly evolved from them. A species can't evolve beyond itself and still exist, that makes no sense. My only argument is that we must have evolved from something akin to our-self.
ted
September 15th, 2012 at 2:50 am
And no matter how many spots you put on a butterfly it is still a butterfly, So Darwin himself would have laid the argument to rest, that no matter the outward differences the butterfly would have come from other butterflies and humans must have come from other humans. No?
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musings
September 15th, 2012 at 5:21 am
You fail to understand that evolution is about adaptation, not just moving on to "higher forms of life" (as from monkeys to man). Each life form finds its niche in which it can live with enough lack of competition that it can survive. Monkeys of course still have the forest canopy (although they live in the open if it is suitably nutrition rich), while the great apes usually can survive on more open ground. Man is a great walker and runner, unlike any other of the great apes. Earlier forms of humans or pre-humans also had this way of adapting to a wider environment. Neanderthal (which both mated with Cro-Magnon and also was dependent on a lot of calorie intake from meat in a different climate), is said to have become extinct, which it did as such, but now they are finding Neanderthal genes in some human populations. Even so, the "extinction" was very recent and corresponded with the end of the Ice Age and the waning of large animal herds that lived in tundra as the edge of glaciers.
As for coexistence of earlier life forms: consider bacteria and viruses which both evolve and remain in their earlier forms (e.g. the 1918 flu has continued in the bodies of its victims which were buried, although every year there seems to be a new flu strain).
It's a misunderstanding of Darwin to think that one species which develops new characteristics has to completely replace the prior one. It just survives because it has adapted to a new environment, however you define environment.
musings
September 15th, 2012 at 5:32 am
But the easiest thing to say about monkeys and men is that we have a common ancestor which isn't here anymore.
musings
September 15th, 2012 at 5:40 am
Maybe his security ran away in fear for their lives? Maybe nobody is willing to take a bullet for an ambassador, like the Secret Service are for the President? This seems a basic security problem which goes back to the basics of what it is to hold power. Ultimately, security is about being more afraid to desert your post than to save yourself. Apparently, it is the Achilles heel of embassies in hostile territories.
maidhc
September 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am
According to Patai's obituary in The Independent, "On his mother's side Raphael could claim to be descended from the greatest Talmudic luminaries of their age."
mickperry
September 15th, 2012 at 10:25 am
You invest too much faith in my learning, and miss my point also. Much of what you say is true, other than your scape-goating of the Jew.
First of all, religious persecution comes with the territory, and this is true for any religious sect.
Of the three Abrahamic faiths, Judaeism was the first, and so for this reason alone the 'persecuted Jew' has become an iconic figure throughout history ever since Judaeism first emerged.
Their history thereafter is inevitably one of adapting to whatever malignant edicts they were being forced to live under at the time; hence the money lending trade and much else.
The Christians meanwhile were literally thrown to the lions after their leading wayward intellectual got himself nailed to a cross.
Their persecution lasted for 300 or so years, until they were finally forced out of business, and had to sell the franchise to Emperor Constantine, under much duress.
Ben_C
September 15th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
My personal favorite line of the "film" is:
"They could save thousands of lives and billions of dollars of taxpayers money…"
Ben_C
September 15th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
My personal favorite line in the "film" is:
"They could save thousands of lives and billions of dollars of taxpayers money…"
A. G. Phillbin
September 15th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Moronic "logic." I "evolved" from my parents, in the sense that their DNA created me. When they die, does that mean that I wan't born? By what moronic "logic" do you claim that a precursor species has to live on during the entire existence of the descendent species? Your "problem" with eveolution, is, to be frank, that you are an idiot.
A. G. Phillbin
September 15th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Moronic "logic." I "evolved" from my parents, in the sense that their DNA created me. When they die, does that mean that I wan't born? By what moronic "logic" do you claim that a precursor species has to live on during the entire existence of the descendent species? Your "problem" with evolution, is, to be frank, that you are an idiot.
A. G. Phillbin
September 15th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
No, Darwin would never have said something that stupid.
A. G. Phillbin
September 15th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Actually, I think every country that has been taken over by these Islamist (NOT just Islamic) "allies" benefits greatly from this rift, if only because it helps free them from US control. Obviously, more than a few of those Islamist "allies" feel the same way, or they wouldn't be demonstrating. While Bibi and some of his Likudnik allies may also believe this benefits Israel, it really doesn't. Israel loses because they are now surrounded not just by nations that officially question their right to exist (always have been), but because they are surrounded now by nations that would support actually doing something about it. This rift lessens greatly the potential for American bribery of the countries involved.
A. G. Phillbin
September 15th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Did the street vendor setting himself ablaze in Tunisia (the apparent start of the "Arab Spring") come from the CIA, or MI6? Isn't it more likely that the US jumped in to try and ride the tiger via the "Sunni turn," and managed to get themselves momentarily tossed off?
mickperry
September 16th, 2012 at 2:19 am
I read bke's concern as being more about restricting the free flow of information, particularly via the internet, rather than the prosecution of one or more individuals.
CuriousPacifistCynic
September 16th, 2012 at 2:22 am
>if we came from monkeys and/or apes then why do they still exist?
Simple. Modern apes and humans have common ancestors. Hope that clarifies things for you.
Lloyd Miller
September 16th, 2012 at 5:08 am
Raimondo's slam at Jihad Watch was pure bigotry. The problem is that Obama and his Rockefeller/OPEC/Big Oil backers turned Libya over to Jihadists.
Lloyd Miller
September 16th, 2012 at 5:08 am
Raimondo's slam at Jihad Watch was pure bigotry. The problem is that Obama and his Rockefeller/OPEC/Big Oil backers turned Libya over to Jihadists.
Generalissimo X
September 16th, 2012 at 9:15 am
sorry, don't buy any of that for one damn second. apparent is the operative word and coming from a gov't that has told us awesome "truths" about gulf of tonkin, uss liberty, wmd's, pat tillman, jessica lynch, we had no idea about 9-11, magic bullets, babies being thrown out of incubators, and all the other BS, i can't believe it. no way. the credibility of the msm and our gov't is less than 0. and how many other coups have we run? thailand, vietnam, guatemala, iran, chile, etc. etc. etc. right now turkey has camps training foreign fighters for the syria op. the trainers are cia and us special ops.
Lloyd Miller
September 16th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
The Rockefellers want World Government. . . uh, just by co-incidence, so do their allies MUSLIM OPEC!
Lloyd Miller
September 16th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
The Rockefellers want World Government. . . uh, just by co-incidence, so do their allies MUSLIM OPEC!
Lloyd Miller
September 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Ya don't turn over Western Satraps to the Muslim Brotherhood BY ACCIDENT!
liberranter
September 16th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
That is indeed the kind of stupidity we can expect regularly from the ignoramuses at Faux News (heck, every other "news" outlet, for that matter). Of course, why would we expect Amoricons, even supposedly "informed" ones, to understand that Shi'a (Iran) and Sunni (almost everywhere else except for parts of Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen) Muslims hate each other more than they hate "infidels" such as a Jews and Christians? The idea of Shi'ite Iran involving itself in Libyan affairs, particularly on behalf of Libyans (does anyone remember the name Imam Musa Sadr?) is beyond ludicrous.
shelly
September 18th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Then why haven't apes evolved into something more intelligent? Why do they stay apes? Why would "it" survive when we can't have babies with apes? In the ancient environment, I find it difficult to believe that most deformed species would be able to survive. How would it find a mate? Even if it found a mate, wouldn't the dominate ape gene overtake and the offspring be apes?
shelly
September 18th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
And when was the last time you seen a Chimpanzee give birth to a Gorilla? Just because we classify them as apes doesn't mean they came from a single ancestor.
shelly
September 18th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Some people say that eating GMO food can have an effect on your DNA. If God created humans, would there be an effect on our DNA over time? One that makes us look more like our surrounding area?
shely
September 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Dogs cannot have babies with cats any more than we have babies with monkeys or apes.
shelly
September 18th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Moronic logic indeed? :)
shelly
September 18th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
You are what you eat? I also like to say you are what hate but for the sake of this argument I'll stick to the first one. :)
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A. G. Phillbin
January 26th, 2013 at 2:12 am
So you don't even believe in the possibility of events beyond the control of Western intelligence agencies? You believe in their infallibility, and ubiquity? do you make sacrifices to them, to ward them off?