Yesterday [Wednesday] was given over to foreign policy at the Republican National Convention, and what a blast from the past it was – John McCain and Condi Rice singing a duo of "Give War A Chance." The only one missing was He Who Shall Not Be Named – but he was there in spirit.
McCain was his usual self, which is to say brimming over with the manic energy of a whirling dervish high on meth, bellicosity emanating like sweat from every pore. He reminded his audience that he had "hopes of addressing [you] under different circumstances," but having lost the election he had to settle for another role, that of Warmonger-in-residence, a position he shares with Senators Lindsay Graham and Joe Lieberman. Together, this chirping trio constitutes our chorus of war-birds, Senatorial shrikes who screech in unison whenever it appears America is passing up yet another opportunity to make war.
Since Joe wasn’t invited to this convention, and Sen. Graham said he was too busy, it fell to McCain to carry his "boots on the ground – any ground will do" message to the assembled delegates, and that he did:
"It is said that this election will turn on domestic and economic issues. But what Mitt Romney knows, and what we know is the success at home also depends on our leadership in the world. It is our willingness to shape world events for the better that has kept us safe, increased our prosperity, preserved our liberty and transformed human history."
Every jot and tittle of this is dead wrong: indeed, it is a nearly exact inversion of the historical reality. America’s rise was due to her physical isolation from the wiles and intrigues of the European empires: that distance saved us from becoming embroiled in the endless wars that plagued humankind. Our prosperity, far from deriving from the mythical idea of "leadership in the world," wasn’t the result of government action, either overseas or on the home front: it was the gift of the frontier to the women and men who conquered it, and made of it a nation. McCain’s contention is akin to President Obama’s "you didn’t build that" jibe at America’s entrepreneurs: it wasn’t Washington’s "leadership," either at home or abroad, that made this country great. I thought Republicans understood this. Ah, but not the McCainian Republicans, of which there are far too many.
Our efforts to "shape world events," far from increasing our prosperity, have impoverished us. The costs of the Iraq war, alone – of which McCain was and still is a fanatic proponent – would have been enough to drive us into penury, but that isn’t even the half of it. Since 9/11, the US has engaged in a military buildup that rivals the arms race of the cold war years. Resources that might have gone into the private economy were instead sucked up by the military sector, further impoverishing us.
If McCain had won in 2008, by this time we’d be in at least four wars – not only would we still be in Iraq, with no hope of ever getting out of Afghanistan, we’d also be fighting Iran, and battling it out with the Russkies in the former Soviet republic of Georgia. The cost of President McCain’s Teddy Roosevelt act would have been high enough to take us from penury to bankruptcy in no time – not to mention the price to be paid in blood.
The buzzwords – America the "exceptional nation," the equation of military action with efforts to eradicate disease and "uplift" the poor, the valorization of the military as a consecrated priesthood embodying our highest values – coagulate into boilerplate Republican bromides, a mantra of ideological emptiness endlessly repeated by Romney and his surrogates, but McCain gives it a little frisson:
"We can’t afford to cause our friends and allies, from Latin America to Europe to Asia to the Middle East, and especially in Israel, a nation under existential threat, to doubt America’s leadership. We can’t afford to give governments in Russia and China a veto over how we defend our interests and the progress of our values in the world."
In other words:
"Bomb, bomb, bomb – bomb bomb Iran!"
War with Iran is an enormously unpopular idea – unless you’re a crazed born-again Christian of the sort who believes America is Babylon, the end times are imminent, and loyalty to Israel is God’s will. These deluded doomsday dispensationalists are the bedrock of the GOP’s southern and Midwestern activist base, and revving these people up is what the festivities in Tampa are all about. The question is: how many normal Americans are repulsed by this kind of rhetoric?
Luckily for the GOP, most normal Americans aren’t paying the least bit of attention to Romney’s coronation, and so they will have missed McCain’s call to stay the course in Afghanistan:
"I believe we cannot afford to substitute a political timetable to a military strategy. By committing to withdraw from Afghanistan, the president has discouraged and emboldened our enemies, which is why our commanders did not recommend these decisions, and why they have said it puts our mission at much greater risk."
When even most Republicans have given up on Afghanistan, there is Mad John, fighting a rearguard action against the overwhelming number of Americans who want out. Yet this is what is supposed to make McCain so "gutsy," a reputation that once made him the favorite of liberal reporters who loved to hear him diss conservatives: his alleged willingness to take a stand for principle. That’s what’s behind his accusation that the Obamaites are employing a "political timetable" in Afghanistan. The war, as McCain surely realizes, is opposed by most voters – but that, in McCain’s book, is no reason not to push it. The people must be led – or ignored.
Condi Rice’s contribution to the proceedings were notable for what was not said: there was no mention of Iraq, or where it’s fabled weapons of mass destruction may have gone off to. She who warned us of the looming "mushroom cloud" that would forever darken our lives with its shadow was silent on the subject, except for the claim that "hostile neighbors are challenging the young, fragile democracy of Iraq."
To characterize the thuggish regime of religious fanatics we installed, succored, and supported as if it were a fair and fragile damsel in a bit of distress is to stretch the truth well beyond the breaking point – even making allowances for the fact that this is a Republican convention. The biggest obstacle to democracy and liberty in Iraq is the Iraqi government – a government installed at gunpoint by the US while Condi was presiding over the State Department.
The real meat of her message, however, was her acknowledgment of the war weariness of the American people, and not only that but the weariness with our "world leadership" role:
"And I know too – I know too there is a weariness. I know that it feels as if we have carried these burdens long enough. But we can only know that there is no choice, because one of two things will happen if we don’t lead. Either no one will lead and there will be chaos, or someone will fill the vacuum who does not share our values.
"My fellow Americans, we do not have a choice. We cannot be reluctant to lead and you cannot lead from behind."
This conceit, that the world will fall apart if we don’t direct it, is an updated version of the old British rationale for empire: the white man’s burden. It is more than a bit mortifying to see Ms. Rice repeat this tired old saw, but then again that’s one of the more dubious benefits of living in a "multicultural" America: we have people of all races making the most appallingly racist arguments.
Yes, people, we have no choice but to police the world, fight endless wars, and borrow money from the Chinese to pay for it: no choice but to put our children in debt, and their children, too. Is this kind of slavery really preferable to "chaos"? I wonder.
I also wonder who is the real sower of chaos in the international arena: would Iraq be lit up with car bombs exploding if we hadn’t "liberated" them in a war Condi will never live down?
As the world economy contracts, and the results of the global financial bubble generated by America’s Federal Reserve continue to reverberate, no country is going to want to fill the costly role of world policeman. Condi avers that "someone will fill the vacuum," but never lets on as to who that Someone might be, and for a very good reason: there is no likely successor to the US as self-appointed world hegemon, nor is there anyone who might conceivably be in a position to threaten US national security. The Russians are in a big decline, their population is rapidly shrinking, and the Chinese are far too smart to indulge in the expensive game of empire-building. They don’t want to take up the White Man’s Burden – they just want to make money, and keep the White Man off their turf.
Foreign policy night in Tampa has reinforced my theory that the GOP is deliberately throwing this election: after all, why haul out a defeated presidential candidate and a top official who served a Republican President of recent vintage whom no one dares mention by name? What better way to establish an aura of defeat than to feature these two, back to back, onstage?
The less said about Rand Paul’s speech – he was followed by McCain – the better. He gets zero credit for his very tame remark that "not every dollar spent on the military is necessary or well spent." His fellow Republican Senators McCain and Graham say the same thing: they, too, are against "waste" in the military spending. Yet when one’s concept of the mission is as expansive as McCain’s and Graham’s, one man’s waste is another man’s necessity. Interventionism on the cheap is no less dangerous than the money-is-no-object variety: it makes for an unsafe world in which Americans, in particular, are at risk. His praise for Romney was as unconvincing as it was nauseating – especially in view of the fact that Paul delegates were at that very moment getting ready to walk out of the convention in protest of having their duly-elected delegates from Maine purged by the Republican National Committee.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





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August 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
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Johnny in Wi.
August 30th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
I can't disagree with a word of it. The Republicans are tanking the election. Romney did not build that 35000 square ft. house on the beach in San Diego to leave it empty. The speech he gave tonight was one of the worst I have ever heard by a national politician. He really does not care if he wins or not. He and Obama are birds of a feather, both controlled by banksters and the military industrialists. The old line Republicans want nothing to do with the Ron Paul people and the Tea Party. They would rather lose then let the real people have a say in the Party.
Johnny in Wi.
August 30th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
I can't disagree with a word of it. The Republicans are tanking the election. Romney did not build that 35000 square ft. house on the beach in San Diego to leave it empty. The speech he gave tonight was one of the worst I have ever heard by a national politician. He really does not care if he wins or not. He and Obama are birds of a feather, both controlled by banksters and the military industrialists. The old line Republicans want nothing to do with the Ron Paul people and the Tea Party. They would rather lose then let the real people have a say in the Party.
musings
August 30th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
The war-monger-in-chief, the candidate, has given his message and even thrown down his glove to Putin after slapping him in the face.
All his private kindnesses to family and co-religionists are all very well, but remember, this is the head-shaving bully terror of his prep school, Cranbrook. He's the one who was the head songleader for the taunting of gay students, honing little beak on his way to full shrikehood.
The American people do not want war, but there are some who think it is what we need all the time.
I would take issue with the image of an America fortunately isolated from European wars. Yes, from some of them, but the rivalries of Britain and France reached deep into the wilderness from earlier than 1700 up through the French and Indian war. The big power struggles always threatened, but the policy was to revolt against them. It wasn't just physical isolation, it was determination to keep the Old World out of our backyard that led to revolt and policies designed to make sure we stayed in relative peace. We wanted to be left alone, but it didn't just happen because of geography.
When we have taken ourselves into other peoples' fights we have often regretted it. A war with Iran, so meaningless and wasteful, as primitive as a rape-like head-shaving, would lower the standard of international relations for a century to come, if it does not set off a world war. But there are those who are betting on its happening very soon, and they are bankrolling Romney as the one who will get this done. 9/11 truly kicked off a new era of post Cold War militarism and the trampling on individual rights. After walking through an X-ray machine (after passing the metal detector), I still had my inner thighs felt up by a TSA goon. Only by dissociating can the American public endure such insults. But then, that's what rape victims do. And Romney is standing there poised with his shears. Obviously, he has no interest in changing a thing.
musings
August 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Do you really think so? I think he is "dog whistling" to the neo-cons. He has every intention of presiding over a war with Iran and his war cabinet is already forming.
Johnny in Wi.
August 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
I don't see how he can win when he insults both the libertarian wing and the Palin wing of the party. That is not counting the paleoconservatives. They perhaps think the economy is so bad that they will win anyway. They may, but they sure have alienated a lot of people. Sure the Neocons own the guys foreign policy but they control practically no votes. His speech was awful and the reaction was tepid in the hall. Even the the true believers are having trouble with this guy.
Debbie(aussie)
August 30th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
"wasn’t the result of government action, either overseas or on the home front: it was the gift of the frontier to the women and men who conquered it, and made of it a nation" Sorry Justin, but like us, it was as aconsequence of conquering/murdering the original occupants, while stealling the resources. so it goes.
(sorry had to stop reading and make this comment, now back to the rest)
wisdomdancer
August 31st, 2012 at 1:23 am
It was both, actually. The colonists didn't just steal, they also built, and they didn't all do the same thing. History isn't so simple.
Oso Politico
August 31st, 2012 at 3:47 am
One wonders if the GOP isn't really the Jackass Party…
Peacegeek
August 31st, 2012 at 5:18 am
Romney aimed his horrible speech straight at the audience of Fox News. Romney deliberately dumbs down the presidential selection process to manufacture more imbeciles who might believe his load of rubbish about his support for Motherhood and his love of his wife and family as qualifications for the Oval Office. Bravo for Justin swallowing his pride and condemning that moral imbecile Rand Paul. I have heard quite enough about the inanities of the Pauls from Justin, and I hope that he will live and learn – they are stupid and appalling monstrosities. Name them and shame them.
richard vajs
August 31st, 2012 at 5:25 am
I have watched as much of the RNC Convention as my brain can stand. Tuesday night, I watched Gov Christie and all night, I had nightmares that I was Ed Norton and Ralph Kramden was screaming at me. Wed. night, I made an inappropriate comment to my girlfriend about how a black dominatrix could really light t my fire which caused a nasty argument, and finally last night, I got drunk by myself on the couch and watched some really spooky stuff like Clint Eastwood threatening to pull a Dirty Harry on an empty chair, and then Buffalo Bob came on promising to bring Howdy Doody back, and in the same 1950s motif restarting the Cold War.
Mike
August 31st, 2012 at 5:25 am
Oh, BS. There were people already living here. it is not necessarily the individual settlers who were evil, but the policies of the US government without a doubt were every bit as brutal as anything seen anywhere else in the world.
I also thought it was an odd comment from Justin-though I suspect it was a bone thrown to respectability. Without the Norman Mailerized myth, he would have needed to be honest and tell readers that the US government-from its very founding-has been a callous instrument of evil. The British, to their credit, respected native land claims (at least in comparison) before the revolution, and after-Canada had no trail of tears.
Had he told the truth, he would have both turned off throngs of readers and shifted the point of the article from a vital discussion of current military adventurism to an academic bluster over centuries old history.
No, history isn't so simple, and neither are the reasons for rhetorical creativity.
omop
August 31st, 2012 at 5:27 am
Benjamin Disraeli [PM of England] said it best….
"the world is governed by different personages than what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
MoT
August 31st, 2012 at 9:00 am
Like George Carlin said, and he was talking politics in general, "Its a BIG club… and YOU ain't in it"
Jaime
August 31st, 2012 at 9:03 am
"The colonists didn't just steal, they also built…" and this justifies the whole enterprise eh? I am an Indian from Peru and the pillage-obsessed Europeans -all the way down from their king to the uncouth conquistadores- only brought misery to the people in my country. Of course, there are those "Peruvians" -the inheritors of the plunderers of course or the white elites- who also think that the Spaniards not only stole but also built . What the fuck do we care if the invaders built if they did this over the ruins of our civilization?
MoT
August 31st, 2012 at 9:04 am
John, the only way that vampire could possibly win is if something truly disastrous happened between now and November. And that's a BIG if. I never watched the broadcast because I value my wifes hard work at preparing dinner far more than the lies of fascist robots.
MoT
August 31st, 2012 at 9:13 am
Mike, not everyone has "the big picture" and can see everything prior to it's happening. Imagine a world where messages take weeks or months to arrive and then only tell part of the story. That was the reality. So, yes, there was robbery but there were also those had to make do with what they had brought themselves into and thus "built" as best they could given the situation. Not every man, woman and child held a gun to some natives head and demanded they forfeit land and life. Without the goading and greed that flows from the top on down, America could have been a better place. It is amazing that for all the propaganda we have shoved down our throats in school about "liberty and freedom" just how little they talk about the violations the American government perpetrated upon the natives while their British brethren didn't do so in Canada.
MoT
August 31st, 2012 at 9:16 am
Oh, final comment, I caught sight of the tail end of the convention on PBS because I wanted to see a British murder mystery (far more interesting than the RNC funeral) and I thought to myself, "Damn! That has to be the most boring convention I can ever remember. "
Strider55
August 31st, 2012 at 9:17 am
You could be more right than you imagine. All signs point to an impending economic holocaust that will dwarf the Great Depression. Whoever is president when it hits would be tarred as the modern Herbert Hoover, and his policies would be blamed. Better to let Ozero and his Keynesian idiocy stew in the boiling pot that he lit.
I didn't know about the beach house; if true, I must seriously question Romney's sanity. California is already going down the tubes thanks to its liberal looniness, making it the last place anyone should seek refuge. One might as well relocate to Hiroshima on Aug. 1, 1945.
BTW, Justin, congrats on making the quarterly goal. I notice the amount was reduced 20% to $80K. Did Antiwar.com finally take my long-standing advice and move out of the Granola State?
Dr. Peace
August 31st, 2012 at 9:31 am
It is amusing to see how liberals can spin something to meet their needs. If you were paying attention you would realize that the Pauls are playing a masterful game of anti-war politics. If Ron Paul and his supporters bail they end up with nothing. By sticking with the Republicans AND maintaining their principled stand AGAINST: 1) US wars (including the Drug War), 2) out of control federal spending which is further enriching the banksters through criminal fraud and exorbitant interest payments to the banksters, and 3) Obama's undermining of civil liberties, including the renewal of the Patriot Act, illegal spying on US citizens and assassinations.
The Paul's are much smarter than folks at Anti-War.com. I don't see you all getting elected to Congress or almost winning the Presidency. Has it not occurred to you that if Romney wins, Ron Paul might have a job as Secretary of State or another Cabinet position to continue his fight to end US wars? The Paul's have an army of several million supporters and can sway the vote in a big way if they stay the course, and Romney knows this. That is why there is a serious behind the scenes bargaining process going down. Dr. Paul has already gotten the Republican Party and Mitt Romney himself to come out in favor of a complete audit of the Fed (you know, the 1%). If Ron Paul sticks to his principles (which he has done, without exception for 24 years in Congress), he could likely bargain for a quick end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He might also be able to help promote a peaceful solution to the US sponsored disaster in Syria and all-out war against Iran. But, the Neocons, like McCain will have to be appeased by words that can convince them Romney is one of their own. He is not.
It is interesting that Romney's international experience is one of promoting peaceful, cooperation between nations–the Olympics. Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize winner has fully back the Bush and McCain's endless wars and the continued funding of 70% of the world’s arms sales.
Would you not like to see Ron Paul as Secretary of State? Or would you prefer the hysterical warmonger, Hilary Clinton or one of her psychopathic assistants, Susan Rice?
Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction. The anti-war heroes of this story are the Pauls. And they are not finished yet. But they may need to convince you to support Romney in order to bring some peace to the world and end the international horrors guaranteed by a second term for Barack Obama. Or, is it more important for you to bear witness to your support for another million abortions of defenseless fetuses and other Obama wars against life and liberty?
MoT
August 31st, 2012 at 10:11 am
I don't know what you're smoking but please pass the pipe. Maybe then I can hallucinate and call it reality, too.
Agvo
August 31st, 2012 at 10:24 am
You remind me of what the Israelis did in Palestine!!
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Generalissimo X
August 31st, 2012 at 11:27 am
please stop insulting jackasses everywhere. sincerely, a. donkey.
Generalissimo X
August 31st, 2012 at 11:32 am
umm dr. paul is smarter than a website because he was elected to congress? can antiwar.com actually run for office? i'm not sure what to make of that statement or this whole diatribe. painting mitt romney as some peacenik is about as ridiculous a thing as i've ever seen. one need only look at the collection of neocon lunatics on his foreign policy team to realize they'd look to attack iran as fast as humanly possible. anything israel says mittens will agree to. as for obama's illegal wars, who actually started two of them? the same crew on board with mittens. vote for either of these lunatics and you're validating criminals. end of story.
ANU News.net Foreign Policy Night in Tampa
August 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
[...] The buzzwords – America the “exceptional nation,” the equation of military action with efforts to eradicate disease and “uplift” the poor, the valorization of the military as a consecrated priesthood embodying our highest values – coagulate into boilerplate Republican bromides, a mantra of ideological emptiness endlessly repeated by Romney and his surrogates, but McCain gives it a little frisson. In other words: “Bomb, bomb, bomb – bomb bomb Iran!” War with Iran is an enormously unpopular idea – unless you’re a crazed born-again Christian of the sort who believes America is Babylon, the end times are imminent, and loyalty to Israel is God’s will. These deluded doomsday dispensationalists are the bedrock of the GOP’s southern and Midwestern activist base, and revving these people up is what the festivities in Tampa are all about. The question is: how many normal Americans are repulsed by this kind of rhetoric? http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/08/30/foreign-policy-night-in-tampa/ [...]
liberranter
August 31st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Foreign policy night in Tampa has reinforced my theory that the GOP is deliberately throwing this election: after all, why haul out a defeated presidential candidate and a top official who served a Republican President of recent vintage whom no one dares mention by name? What better way to establish an aura of defeat than to feature these two, back to back, onstage?
You're probably right, but that won't matter one wit to the millions of room-temperature-IQ sheeple who are registered GOP votards. These pathetic creatures are not only watching the televised version of this ridiculous farce, but are convinced that it actually means something, that the arrogant kleptoplutocrats who strut about on stage vomiting up demagoguery that would make Mssrs. Hitler and Stalin proud actually have the nation's best interests at heart, despite more than a century of plain-as-the-nose-on-their-ugly-faces evidence to the contrary. They truly believe that a leopard will magically ditch its spots in exchange for a tiger's stripes and that a snake will turn about and devour a hawk.
Simply stated, you can't fix congenitally stupid, and that adjective describes ANYBODY who genuinely believes in and participates in this political theater of the absurd.
Jed
August 31st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Good God, how many times does Ron Paul have to sell you guys out by heading back into his GOP veal pen before you realize that he's just there to keep you guys in the tent?
Jesus, the GOP basically outlawed you guys from all future conventions and there's still some Paultards backing the GOP. Crazy!
San Fernando Curt
August 31st, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Regardless who's in the White House, these conditions are constant:
> Government exists mostly to maintain and enhance a detached plutocracy while maintaining a facade of democracy.
> Our overseas empire and utter commitment to Israel will remain unshaken.
> Wage-earners will be skinned alive by taxes and Congressionally approved financial loansharking.
Mike Ehling
August 31st, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Um, sorry Justin, but our "physical isolation from the wiles and intrigues of the European empires" didn't save us "from becoming embroiled in the endless wars that plagued humankind"; and it wasn't the result of an actionless government that gave "the gift of the frontier to the women and men who conquered it." It was staying out of those European wars that gave us the ability to pick wars with folks who weren't quite so much our own size so that the federal government, with the aid of the U.S. cavalry, could give away homesteading rights to land that didn't belong to the U.S. government in the first place.
In fact, our only unsuccessful imperialist war of the nineteenth century, our attempt in 1812 to liberate all them thar' poor benighted Canadian monarchists, went fizzle, got the White House burned, and nearly cost us the port of New Orleans when we encountered one of those European powers that was a little more than our own size.
Tut, tut, Justin. Next you'll be rhapsodizing as lyrical as Pat Buchanan on all those beautiful lands of the southwest that were just begging for annexation in the late 1840s. ;-)
Mike Ehling
August 31st, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Um, sorry Justin, but our "physical isolation from the wiles and intrigues of the European empires" didn't save us "from becoming embroiled in the endless wars that plagued humankind"; and it wasn't the result of an actionless government that gave "the gift of the frontier to the women and men who conquered it." It was staying out of those European wars that gave us the ability to pick wars with folks who weren't quite so much our own size so that the federal government, with the aid of the U.S. cavalry, could give away homesteading rights to land that didn't belong to the U.S. government in the first place.
In fact, our only unsuccessful imperialist war of the nineteenth century, our attempt in 1812 to liberate all them thar' poor benighted Canadian monarchists, went fizzle, got the White House burned, and nearly cost us the port of New Orleans when we encountered one of those European powers that was a little more than our own size.
Tut, tut, Justin. Next you'll be rhapsodizing as lyrical as Pat Buchanan on all those beautiful lands of the southwest that were just begging for annexation in the late 1840s. ;-)
Mike Ehling
August 31st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Oops, sorry Debbie. I should have read these other posts more carefully before I made my own, that mirrors what you've already said (though I'm a bit snider and more verbose).
:-)
Mike Ehling
August 31st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Sorry, Debbie. I missed that whole thread you started fourteen hours ago!
Oswaldwasalefty
August 31st, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Yeah, and ditto for the Israelis, after they inherited a "land without people for a people with out a land". The Germans under the Nazis built a lot as well. So what?
The Euro-American conquest of the Americas, with the genocides of the indigenous peoples and the slave trade that provided the labor for, was one of the most savage eras in human history. And we "remember" that now by building holocaust museums to remember the genocide of the European Jewry during World War II.
Whatever I might like about the U.S. Constitution doesn't change the fact that what was done to indigenous population was absolutely monstrous and one of the great crimes against humanity in world history.
Anti_Govt_Rebel
August 31st, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Yeaah!
One of your best columns ever, Justin.
guest
August 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Mr. Raimondo seems to be suggesting that Obama is the lesser evil in 2012. Wake up and get a clue. Obama is an absolute disaster for the antiwar movement.
What happened to the millions of people who protested nationwide when Bush was in office? They disappeared very quickly as soon as Obama became President. And you know why, because most of them were liberals.
Sure antiwar.com and Ron Paul have continued to fight the good fight but let's face it, we don't have enough manpower for a strong nationwide antiwar movement. We need antiwar liberals and Democrats to come back.
Do you really think that in his 2nd term Obama will not go to war with Iran, will not intervene in Syria and who knows where else, will not deploy armed drones in the U.S. airspace, will not assasinate more American citizens, will not restart the Cold War with that insane "missile defense" plan, will not escalate hostilities with China, etc? Really?
Who is going to oppose him other than antiwar.com and a few hardcore antiwar leftists? Wake up man.
At least with a Republican back in the White House the antiwar movement will mobilize again and people will actually start protesting these wars again without the fear of being accused of "racism" or of undermining the guy they voted for.
What you need to understand is, the best way to prevent more wars in the next 4 years is to get Obama out of office. Because Obama, like most Democrats who make it to the White House, is not antiwar and never will be.
No real antiwar Democrat or Republican will ever be allowed anywhere near the White House. That's the reality.
guest
August 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Mr. Raimondo seems to be suggesting that Obama is the lesser evil in 2012. Wake up and get a clue. Obama is an absolute disaster for the antiwar movement.
What happened to the millions of people who protested nationwide when Bush was in office? They disappeared very quickly as soon as Obama became President. And you know why, because most of them were liberals.
Sure antiwar.com and Ron Paul have continued to fight the good fight but let's face it, we don't have enough manpower for a strong nationwide antiwar movement. We need antiwar liberals and Democrats to come back.
Do you really think that in his 2nd term Obama will not go to war with Iran, will not intervene in Syria and who knows where else, will not deploy armed drones in the U.S. airspace, will not assasinate more American citizens, will not restart the Cold War with that insane "missile defense" plan, will not escalate hostilities with China, etc? Really?
Who is going to oppose him other than antiwar.com and a few hardcore antiwar leftists? Wake up man.
At least with a Republican back in the White House the antiwar movement will mobilize again and people will actually start protesting these wars again without the fear of being accused of "racism" or of undermining the guy they voted for.
What you need to understand is, the best way to prevent more wars in the next 4 years is to get Obama out of office. Because Obama, like most Democrats who make it to the White House, is not antiwar and never will be.
No real antiwar Democrat or Republican will ever be allowed anywhere near the White House. That's the reality.
ML3
August 31st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
trying to imagine how many of these members of the RNC would be so pro-war of it was them and their kids being sent off to fight. Probably not many.
wisdomdancer
August 31st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I never said the building justified the stealing of land. But whether it fits your worldview or not, plenty of settlers in North America wanted and cultivated a harmonious relationship with natives, simply wanting to build a life and coexist. That's a historically attested fact. It doesn't erase what the government did or what other settlers with other views (such as Puritans' demonization of natives) did. It is also fact that much of the continent was depopulated by disease, so not all the land was occupied, and many of the tribes were willing to share their territory. They were simply not treated fairly and edged out. However, mentioning more of the whole truth is not worse than a sympathetic myth as a replacement for a colonial myth.
wisdomdancer
August 31st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
My comment was about the settlers, not the government. Besides, the colonies started well before the government did, not to mention that its reach was inconsistent in the West until well after the Civil War, so it would be odd to comment only on the government's policies.
One thing you're neglecting is that much of the continent was depopulated by disease when the settlers got there, so there was enough empty space for many of the native tribes to be willing to share, if they were treated fairly. Some settlers did respect them and were willing to share the land, although we all know that many did not and used the government's power against them duplicitously.
If you look up the trail of tears history, you will find that the "Five Civilized Tribes" were already mostly integrated and accepted and living in houses on good terms with their neighbors when the government evicted them. While this speaks of Palestinian-like treatment and racism, it also shows that they were first able to find a way of life in common with settlers, before they were hounded out for politics. In other words, the settlers and natives were building a civilization together in some places and times without all the animosity and racism that we also know is possible, but did not universally happen.
I don't think that telling a myth like "the white people stole the land" is preferable to telling more truth, just because the old whitewashed story of what happened on the frontier makes us angry as a cover for the reality. It was a big frontier, and a long period of time, and telling one story to account for America, positive or negative, won't be enough.
Debbie(aussie)
August 31st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Not to worry.
jones
August 31st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
"Chinese are far too smart to indulge in the expensive game of empire-building. They don’t want to take up the White Man’s Burden – they just want to make money, and keep the White Man off their turf. "
That's racist…I always new there were too many Chinese people living in China. How is it no one speaks up about this? I thought they were a minority?
jones
August 31st, 2012 at 7:38 pm
What you folks did to those poor aboriginals, you even thought you could make them white in a couple of generations. You did that.
musings
August 31st, 2012 at 7:57 pm
This is a very strange campaign plug for Romney. It's kind of Trotskyite. Basically it dares one to let the neocons back in so that things will get so bad so fast that everyone with an ounce of common sense will be forced to engage in serious protests which somehow will work this time to stop the wars.
But it bears an eerie resemblance to the idea expressed recently by Bill Maher (and others), ostensibly liberal Democrat, who says that even though Obama is the preferred person to retain office, we should have a draft so everyone will be energized to protest any time someone wants to have another war. I consider this a bit like the grin of the crocodile who welcomes little fishies in. Not having a draft is better than having one and then doing a big F#&! the Draft movement. Nostalgia has its limits and I don't suffer from Maher's version of it.
Are you also a crocodile too, in wanting us to vote for Romney? Because he will energize the antiwar movement? But who would have the power to order the bombers out?
pffft
August 31st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Yeah, like every Indian tribe was the same, and none of them had, Indian, White and Black slaves. Just a bunch of tree huggers, kinda like the Aztec Empire. Oh and don't forget that none of the Indians assimilated into our culture either?
pffft
August 31st, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Canada's trail of tears was probably covered with snow.
and
August 31st, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Most of it was in ruins when they got there.
pffft
August 31st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Yeah, when a woman has a child she should just fork it over to the state, why raise the fucking thing? It;s just a cog in the wheel, a piece of fucking meat so to speak, isn't it? I mean shit gotta get back to work at the mega corp, don't I to make a living. Bravo Peacefreak, great job, your swallowing, I just ain't sure what it is
pffft
August 31st, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Antiwar's true colors. Don't think for a second, no one knows what your all made of.
davidgrayling
August 31st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Anti-War, now you have the money, it's time to step up and triple your efforts to stop the nuking of Iran which will set a nuclear holocaust in motion.
Why don't you show blogs that are working with you to stop war? Blogs like mine for example.
We need everyone to join together, become cohesive.
MvGuy
August 31st, 2012 at 9:17 pm
it was the same such optimistic pap that seduced me to vote Obama …… "Yaa, he can't say he is going to end the wars because…. if he did, he might not get elected…." Now comes Romney… another empty vessel for the electorate to fill with their hopes and dreams…. Who is he…??
He is and has been a wrecker… It's an old tradition up here in New England….. The wreckers put lights on the beach to make it appear to be a harbor…. Then when the ship sails into the breakers and founders, the wreckers appear and loot the cargo…. It's the same sort of "capitalism" that Bane Capital employed…as depicted in "Pretty Woman"….. Distressed companies, many of them victims of "globalism" would find the "Turn Around" specialists at Bain as the harbor of refuge to avoid failure and bankruptcy… Some may have been motivated to keep the jobs and not sell out their employees and town… and keep production in America for all our greater good….. But Bain had the proclivity to cut employees way past what is necessary, and with their new balance sheet showing greater profits because of fewer workers, go to the bank and borrow tens of millions, even more and take it as profit for Bain… Then, when the weakened encumbered companies inevitably fail, voila bankruptcy,, and the pension funds of the employees become part of the assets of the bankruptcy "estate" and are used to pay off the banks the loans that Bain stuck in their pocket.. Ten years, twenty… thirty years… It matters not how long the employees worked there….. their pensions become up for grabs in bankruptcy… & it's totally legal.
This is how I understand what Bain did……… Does anyone out there have a kinder take on their practices…???
Debbie(aussie)
September 1st, 2012 at 2:11 am
Yes we did. Bloody awful. I can't change the past, neither can citizens of the US/Britan/France etc, BUT We can acknowledge what we have done and try to make ammends and Not continue on as before.
richard vajs
September 1st, 2012 at 5:51 am
True story – I have an acquaintence that started a defense contracting business. He was born in Taiwan of Chinese ethnicity; but he was educated here and is a US citizen. Because of his ethnicity, he was able to get a "minority" (8A) classification for his business which gives him a leg up on winning Government contracts. He told me that his Dad was visiting from Taiwan and as he explained the set-up, he said his Dad kept insisting that Chinese people cannot possibly be a minoirity anywhere, because they are actually the majority in the World.
Actually, the Chinese must be annoyed that the US believes that we are the center of the World.
It is a ridiculous conceit, along the lines of thinking that Israel is the giant of the Mid East.
Generalissimo X
September 1st, 2012 at 8:42 am
my grandfather worked for a company that was "romney-ized" back in the 80's. after surviving 3 and half years in a tank destroyer in WWII and being a hard working blue collar guy, driving a plymouth, living in a modest home and paying his taxes, scumbags like mittens tried to steal his pension just so they could all have another yacht or mansion. these guys are disgusting, immoral despicable scum and so are any who would support them. romney has no idea how to create jobs, he only knows how to destroy the middle class for the 1%'s gain. he is a vapid know nothing, coasting on his daddy's coat tails. losers like him and paul ryan were born on third base and pretend they hit a triple. romney's foreign policy team is a nightmare. war and economic destruction await a romney presidency, just like obama's re-election.
jones
September 1st, 2012 at 8:46 am
That's cute. But his dad is partially correct, Looking at a world view, Asians are not a minority.
jones
September 1st, 2012 at 9:45 am
But you are continuing on as before. Cities still get improved, Housing tracts still get built, schools, cars, roads, trains, planes etc…Yes bad things have happened in history, and bad things still happen, but you are correct, we can't change the past. Did you yourself actually do bad things to Aboriginal people? What kind of amends should I make? I don't hate Indians, a whole tribe of my cousins are half Indian.
Outsider
September 1st, 2012 at 10:11 am
Actually I agree with Maher (& Rep Charlie Rangel) that we should have a draft. If there had not been a draft during Vietnam (I joined because of its existence) there is no chance that the anti-war movement at that time would have ever gotten so large. Interestingly, once the draft ended under Nixon (with the war still going on), the anti-war movement went into remission then hibernation.
Without a draft, it has been much easier for the US leaders to start whatever wars they want wth only token opposition from the US populace. The draft would be a great tool to restrain the Empire.
assimilated
September 1st, 2012 at 10:51 am
"The Pauls"
sorry, but even less than the tiny amount of people in this country currently reading this website would even give a **** about foreign policy if it weren't for Ron Paul.
musings
September 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Of course, looked at on a case by case basis, genocide of the native Americans (we'll confine the topic to British genocides, because we're not bragging about being Hispanic conquistadores right here) always had some deliberately near-sighted cause. It was always one of their "massacres" of seemingly innocent white settlers. The peopling of the eastern seaboard was like that, and the whole bloody process went on steadily through various small wars (the Pequot, King Philip's etc) up through the early 19th century Trail of Tears to the various removals by Generals Sherman and Sheridan after the Civil War, through to General Reno's Modoc War, until every square inch of the country was under the control of Anglo Saxons. But it looked like trying to achieve safety and security (a la Israel) from the point of view of this ethnic group and their near relations from Europe. And every scalping was like one of those desperate suicide bombings (although the Indians liked to go back home and get credit for what they did, in the days before videos could be made of their going on the warpath). The only difference between then and now is that US citizens have no intention of actually living in Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran. If Israelis do, I have yet to see any evidence of it.
athought
September 1st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Well how come no one ever tells new immigrants from Mexico, China, India or anywhere else that this is Native American land and that they are stealing it when they move here? If it was Native American land then why isn't it now? Say you moved to America from Peru, aren't you too invading "their" land?
hmmm
September 1st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
NGO's that America dispenses around the world, aren't they really Conquistadors by another name?
jones
September 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm
How come you don't say, Yes I did"?
Jeremiah
September 1st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
To reinstitute military slavery—and that's precisely what conscription is—would be morally repulsive. And it would prove useless as a "tool to restrain the Empire." Note, for instance, that the Vietnam-era draft and the antiwar movement it helped fuel did *nothing* to stop the needless deaths of over 58,000 Americans and 1,000,000+ Southeast Asians. In fact, can you think of *any* instance in which a war has been averted or cut short with minimal loss of life by mass political action driven by conscription? And can you think of any aggressive state that has been effectively "restrained" by compulsory citizen participation in its military? I certainly can't. A new draft would mean only more servitude for the serfs and more cannon fodder at the disposal of the political elite (none of whose children, you may be sure, will *ever* be subject to conscription). Further, the US government does not need significant "boots on the ground"—nor does it need to weather the *transitory* political agitation that often follows any noticeable number of deaths among the boots' occupants—in order to engage in unconstitutional, immoral and destabilizing military actions overseas: witness its machinations in Libya and Syria, and note also the dawning of the Drone Age.
Generalissimo X
September 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 am
Bullsh*t.. the draft would only ensure more wholesale slaughter. with an endless supply of kids to send into a meat grinder the elites would have a field day. there is and never will be any such thing as a "universal" draft. scumbags like romney and ryan start wars that poor kids like my dad in vietnam get sent to fight. they'll get their deferrments and the rest get to sacrifice our kids to the state. every time i hear an imbecelic statement like this i want to just slap the messenger in the hopes of knocking some sense into them. and by the way maher is a pathetic grovelling schill. he is the problem with discourse. turn him off and get informed.
MoT
September 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
The same argument could be made to the Aztlan folks. I always ask "so when are you going to give the land in Mexico and California back to the natives"… ooooohhh! That gets the hornets nest all rattled up.
MoT
September 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 am
I have to agree that anyone who sticks around after this latest stab in the back should be institutionalized. Isn't this what they call the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and yet expecting a different result?
MoT
September 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 am
"born on third base and pretend they hit a triple"… LOL… That's a keeper in my book.
MoT
September 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am
Some day I'd love to sit down and have coffee with you and shoot the breeze. It would be refreshing!
RyanSmurfy
September 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
No secret that Romney has positioned himself as Netanyahu's hit man. Yet if you judge Romney by his actions, he's a Mark Zuckerberg class opportunist. While it's easy to tell what he won't do, which is keep his word, there's no telling what he will do.
As for Obama, he has continued Bush's wars with strong support from his Democratic base. Yet he may win my vote by not attacking Iran or green lighting and joining an Israeli attack before the election.
Without Ron Paul or a trustworthy substitute in the race, I believe the best wars of choice opponents can get is a president willing to throw off Netenyahu's leash, even it's only once or twice.
Outsider
September 2nd, 2012 at 6:51 pm
I guess we may have to agree to disagree, Jeremiah, however, the way I remember it, Vietnam was at first very popular. The people back then, not really that long after the 'Good War' (WW2), were not nearly as cynical about the gov't as they are today. In fact, public opinion did not really turn against the war until 1968, which caused LBJ to decide not to seek reelection. If there had been no draft during Vietnam, LBJ would have been mostly free to continue his policies. The bloody, riot-filled '68 Dem convention would probably have had only token protesters without the draft. With all the protests and the draft in place, Nixon had little choice but to start scaling back the war. He also ended the draft, which larely ended the mass protests
I do share your sentiment that conscription is 'morally repugnant.' However, to say that the draft would not restrain our President (who is an emperor regarding the ability to start wars), is, I think, not borne out by the the history of Vietnam. But my argument is purely academic as there is no chance in hell that our elected leaders will consider reinstituting the draft. They like things the way they are.