1812: The War Party’s First ‘Success’
A long-forgotten war with lessons for today
The two-hundredth anniversary of the beginning of the War of 1812 is upon us, and I’m shocked and surprised the War Party hasn’t planned a celebration: after all, as Jefferson Morley points out in Salon, this was the first neocon war, i.e. an unnecessary war of choice. Perhaps the reason for this shameful lack of hosannas is that it wasn’t particularly successful: the Brits burned Washington and routed our militias, while the glorious conquest of Canada – where, Americans were told, the inhabitants would shower us with rose petals at the moment of their “liberation” – was rudely repulsed by the ungrateful Canadians.
The stated reason for the war – the forcible impressments of British deserters and American citizens on the high seas – had little to do with reality. After all, the Brits had been doing this since the Revolution, and their actions, while hardly conducive to Anglo-American relations, in no way threatened the survival of the Republic. Much more important, as a factor in starting the war, was the agitation of the “warhawks,” a group of younger members of the Jeffersonian (or Democratic-Republican) party in Congress, who charged that His Majesty’s Government was encouraging attacks on American settlers by the Indians, and who dreamed of conquering Canada. Indeed, the latter motivation was underscored by the libertarian congressman John Randolph, who declared:
“Sir, if you go to war it will not be for the protection of, or defense of your maritime rights. Gentlemen from the North have been taken up to some high mountain and shown all the kingdoms of the earth; and Canada seems tempting to their sight. That rich vein of Gennesee land, which is said to be even better on the other side of the lake than on this. Agrarian cupidity, not maritime right, urges the war. Ever since the report of the Committee on Foreign Relations came into the House, we have heard but one word- like the whip-poor-will, but one eternal monotonous tone- Canada! Canada! Canada!”
The warhawks, led by John Calhoun, were motivated less by outrage over British harassment of American persons and commerce than by the emerging delusion of Manifest Destiny that energized the earliest advocates of an international American empire. The Appalachian and southern states were the epicenter of this ultra-nationalistic agitation, and the editors of the Nashville Clarion gave voice to the imperialist impulse when they asked:
“Where is it written in the book of fate that the American Republic shall not stretch her limits from the Capes of the Chesapeake to Noorka Sound, from the isthmus of Panama to Hudson Bay?”
Before the neocons there were the warhawks of 1812. On the eve of war, their leader, the protectionist Senator John Calhoun, smugly declared:
“I believe that in four weeks from the time a declaration of war is heard on our frontier, the whole of Upper Canada and a part of Lower Canada will be in our power.”
Secretary of War William Eustis enthused:
“We can take the Canadas without soldiers, we have only to send officers into the province and the people . . . will rally round our standard.”
We’ll be greeted as liberators – don’t worry, it’ll be a cakewalk. Does any of this sound familiar?
Aside from their complaint that the US government hadn’t killed enough native Americans, the warhawks longed for war with the British, who were aiding the desperate guerrilla defense mounted by the “Indians.” The frontiersmen resented competition from British-Canadian fur traders, who had good relations with the tribes.
In any case, the war was a disaster for the militarily weak fledgling republic, which might easily have been soundly defeated, and reabsorbed back into the empire. Think of it: If London hadn’t been busy fighting another war in Europe, we might all be speaking British.
American forces were surprisingly successful on the sea, handing the Brits several stinging defeats, but on land it was a different story. The British army struck at the very heart of the young republic, burning Washington to the ground.
The Nashville Clarion’s consultations with the Book of Fate turned out to be a serious misreading of the text: the projected conquest of Canada turned into a rout. American militiamen, called up for duty, were organized around the understanding that they would be defending their own country, not invading somebody else’s. One big reason for the failure to take Canada was the militias’ frequent mutinies. After the American defeat at Detroit, another march on Canada was launched, this time under the command of Gen. Stephan Van Rensselaer. This adventure came to an inglorious end, however, when the militiamen refused to cross the US/Canadian border. As one commentator notes:
“Another invasion attempt, on 19 November 1812, collapsed when American troops refused to leave New York State and forced their leader, Gen. Henry Dearborn, to march them back to Pittsburgh. Less than two weeks later, Gen. ‘Apocalypse’ Smythe twice ordered his troops to cross the Niagara, both times failing in his courage and calling off the attacks. On returning from the second attempt, the soldiers turned their weapons on Smythe, forcing him to flee to Virginia.”
The war was unpopular, both here and in Britain. The New England states, where the Anglophilic Federalists held sway, were hot-beds of antiwar sentiment – and outright sedition. Led by Massachusetts governor Caleb Strong, a cabal of Federalists held secret negotiations with the British government, proposing the secession of the New England states from the Union.
The most famous American victory, the battle of New Orleans, took place after the peace treaty was signed – a treaty in which the Americans received virtually nothing. While the British agreed to stop harassing Americans citizens on the high seas, the territorial gains envisioned by the expansionists failed to materialize. Canada remained a British possession, and the American claim to Florida – a state that, from the beginning, has given us nothing but trouble – went unrecognized by the British, or anyone else.
The war of 1812 could fairly be characterized as America’s first defeat: militarily the result was, at best, a stalemate, but the political and economic aftershocks were the real disaster. As Murray Rothbard put it:
“Even the war of 1812 – seemingly a harmless little escapade – was evil, and also in the domestic sense, in that it ruined the Jeffersonian Party for a long time to come, it established Federalism which means monopoly State-capitalism in essence, it imposed a central bank, it imposed high tariffs, it imposed domestic federal taxation, which never existed before, internal taxation, and it took a long time to get rid of it, and we never really did get back to the pre-War of 1812 level of minimal State power.”
The young republic was infected with the virus of imperialism at an early age, and it ate away at the central organs of the body politic. The carriers were the intelligentsia, the social climbers, the politicians-on-the-make – those who, ironically, wished to emulate the British by building an American version of the Empire.
In the interests of good taste and diplomatic decorum, our Canadian allies are loyally ignoring the anniversary of our ignominious defeat at their hands: Detroit, the supposed launching pad for the conquest of Canada, was surrendered to British troops and Canadian militia without firing a shot.
The conquest of Canada was torpedoed by the stubborn refusal of American state and county militias to countenance the invasion. The defense of the country was one thing, but the conquest of a foreign land – why, it was un-American! They simply refused the order to invade.
Oh, but that we had such a militia today! A standing army is a curse: a military priesthood with more than a few would-be Caesars in its higher ranks. Exactly what the Founders feared.
Impossible, say you: we have too many enemies, it’s a dangerous world! Any gangster can say the same: he, too, has many enemies. His world is rife with danger, and with good reason. If you go around killing people, their relatives and friends tend to hate you, and are often impelled to seek revenge.
Naturally, any resemblance between US foreign policy and the activities of a criminal gang are purely coincidental….
Read more by Justin Raimondo
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- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013





MoT
June 19th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Somehow visions of "cakewalks" are dancing in my head when I read how two hundred years ago they were saying the same thing.
J. Clifton
June 19th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
It's about time someone spelled out the non-interventionist implications of the 1812 war! It's a conflict whose origins have usually been obscured, perhaps to cover up for the hubris of the early war hawks. Really, if you've already beaten the best and biggest military machine in the world, why not quit while you're ahead, instead of picking a new fight with the British? That's probably a question they don't want school children to ever ask.
J. Clifton
June 19th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
It's about time someone spelled out the non-interventionist implications of the 1812 war! It's a conflict whose origins have usually been obscured, perhaps to cover up for the hubris of the early war hawks. Really, if you've already beaten the best and biggest military machine in the world, why not quit while you're ahead, instead of picking a new fight with the British? That's probably a question they don't want school children to ever ask.
cey
June 19th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Here in Canada we are taught in school how outnumbered British troops and Canadian militias defeat the Americans. But we were not taught that the War of 1812 was very unpopular in the US and that there were mutinies in the ranks. The war was also very unpopular in border communities in Canada and the US because it disrupted trade.
montaigne
June 20th, 2012 at 12:07 am
I liked the ending very much, and became enlightened in why this war did not grab Canada..
mickperry
June 20th, 2012 at 1:02 am
Likewise, and surprisingly they never taught us this stuff in British schools, so thanks for the history lesson Justin. Your conclusion bought the late Bill Hicks to mind:
“Bush trying to buy votes before the end of the election goes around selling weapons to everyone, getting that military industrial complex vote happening for him, sold 160 fighter jets to Korea and then 240 tanks to Kuwait.
Then goes around making speeches about why he should be Commander in Chief because '..we still live in a dangerous world.' Thanks to you, you (expletive deleted). Last week the Kuwaitis had nothing but rocks…..” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIwixTaox8
Thanks also for the Murray N Rothbard link.
mickperry
June 20th, 2012 at 1:02 am
Likewise, and surprisingly they never taught us this stuff in British schools, so thanks for the history lesson Justin. Your conclusion bought the late Bill Hicks to mind:
“Bush trying to buy votes before the end of the election goes around selling weapons to everyone, getting that military industrial complex vote happening for him, sold 160 fighter jets to Korea and then 240 tanks to Kuwait.
Then goes around making speeches about why he should be Commander in Chief because '..we still live in a dangerous world.' Thanks to you, you (expletive deleted). Last week the Kuwaitis had nothing but rocks…..” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIwixTaox8
Thanks also for the Murray N Rothbard link.
BostonJoe
June 20th, 2012 at 4:51 am
Nice one Justin!
For a full understanding of early Canadian – US relations before the US revolution refer to Francis Parkman's 'France and England in North America;.
Benjacomin Bozart
June 20th, 2012 at 5:21 am
God blessings on Laura Ingersol Secord.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcdKd6Ax-dI
Benjacomin Bozart
June 20th, 2012 at 5:21 am
God blessings on Laura Ingersol Secord.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcdKd6Ax-dI
richard vajs
June 20th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Thanks for a fresh look at another stupid war that we lost (and damned well deserved to). The parallels are many. I noticed that you brought attention to the division of political sentiment – the Appalachian and southern states were the epicenter of this ultranationalistic agitation and the New England states were anti-war – sounds like the old "red states – blue states" division to me. Plus I wonder if Lindsey Graham and John Calhoun are genetically linked.
sherban
June 20th, 2012 at 6:36 am
But if the war in 1812 was a neocon war then when was America different from what she is today?
MichaelKenny
June 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am
The Americans actually did get nothing from the war. Both the impressment of Americans and the blockade of the European mainland had become unnecessary because Napoleon had been defeated and exiled to Elba, so the British could easily "concede" them in return for the US backing off from Canada.
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Jaime
June 20th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Defeating the biggest and best military machine in the world? Sounds impressive as if the US had been in Europe. like France, facing the full military might of the British Empire and not thousands of kilometers away fighting a relatively small expeditionary force.
Rampart
June 20th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Yes, Canadians are a humble lot, but we quietly grin whenever we hear the phrase 'White House'.
We know why it was painted that way.
deliaruhe
June 20th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Canadians don`t celebrate 1812 because we understand it as a stalemate war. No one seems to understand it as repulsing invasion and colonization. We non-aboriginals owe whatever successes the war had to the Indian tribes who stood up with the troops and took casualties.
I think there are some history buffs in Ontario who re-stage it every year.
deliaruhe
June 20th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I don`t think there`s all that much difference. Manifest Destiny has always underpinned American policy; today, we see it incarnated in the neocons.
As a christian fundamentalist concept, Manifest Destiny is extremely powerful because it assumes that god, an active presence, is always on your side, no matter who you want to invade and possess.
It`s sometimes hard for present-day Canadians to understand how history makes us different from Americans, even though we thoroughly embrace American culture. But Canada was settled, not by Puritans or any other of those new and persecuted christian offshoots in Europe but rather, by dour scotch presbyterians. They set a national tone for Canada, and — except for southern Alberta, which was settled by Americans — that tone prevails today.
Brian
June 20th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
If you're going to talk about Canada in terms of how it differs from the US in political outlook, don't overlook the French Fact. Lower Canada (Quebec) was Catholic, and to this day is governed by French civil law. Why? Because the people of Quebec, abandoned by the mother nation after the battle of the Plains of Abraham, but having reached a nice accommodation with the English-speaking minority who now ruled them, had no interest in joining the Americans in their revolution, and for the same historical set of reasons, were not very keen (for the most part) on coming to France's rescue a century or so later.
deliaruhe
June 20th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
The French-Canadians never had much of an impact on the Anglophone community until the 1960s, the Quiet Revolution, and the Quebec Liberation Movement. That was when we anglophones realized that the best cultural production in Canada was coming out of Quebec. But as far as purging that scots presbyterianism out of the anglo character, Quebec hasn`t yet succeeded — more`s the pity.
james
June 20th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I wonder if the Cuban community in Florida did succeed in removing Castro from power what they think US attitude towards Cuba would be like and if all those Cubans in Miami would return to Cuba?
I can’t imagine Cuba being a truly independent country with a large Cuban-American population in Florida that would exert its influence in the state.
I imagine one of the first acts backed by money from post Marxist Cuba would be to loosen immigration laws of Cubans into Florida like how Mexico supports Mexican immigration into the US.
Popsiq
June 20th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
"In the interests of good taste and diplomatic decorum, our Canadian allies are loyally ignoring the anniversary of our ignominious defeat at their hands"
Not effin' likely!
Our latter-day neocons have discovered Canada's "military heritage" doncha no! In their estimation that gives Canada the 'right' to go invading evil-doers and dropping humanitarian bombs on 'tyranny' where ever it may be found.
Thank you America! It may have taken a couple of centuries, but Johnny Jingo is now a bonafied Royal Canadian.
Oh, by the way I think the most recent figure for the 'partay' is $40 million. We'd like you to come on up – and bring yer wallet, eh?
J. Clifton
June 20th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Manifest Destiny is more a Manichean philosophy, not a Christian one. The biblical view is that all are sinners or shades of grey, that we must choose (as well as behave) like we are on God's side and NOT presume He is on ours, and so he who is without sin casts the first stone.
Manicheans think the opposite—the world is dualistic black and white, we're the white hats while 'the sinners' are over there, so let the stoning begin. It is this mentality that animates self-righteous adventurism and imperialism, then and now. The fact that some 'Christians' have gotten co-opted by the neo-con attitude speaks poorly on their loyalty to scripture and more to their susceptibility to pagan dualism.
Luther Bliss
June 21st, 2012 at 6:44 am
Justin but you're wrong on this one.
Canada has been squatted upon by a BushJr-clone named Steve Harper for the last half-dozen years and he's using the War of 1812 for jingoist propaganda this year. Google it.
Since Harper is a pro-war (he wanted to invade Iraq), big oil, pro-Israel, fundamentalist, neo-con who is painfully submissive to America he has been advised (by Frank Luntz no less) to use sports and war for nationalist cover.
Come to a Canadian sporting event and see the military jets flying over-top, the military general doing the coin toss and the chants of CA – NA – DA! CA – NA – DA! — it ain't pretty.
Americans can imagine Canada is some sort of liberal-socialist country (and despise us for having decent healthcare) but it's mostly psychological projection – the reality is that we are just another country that has been swallowed by the American Empire (like American itself has been) with the predictable consequence of less democracy, more corruption and greed, more militarism, angry reactionaries dominating the political discourse, ect…
annexedone
June 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
My take on the real reason for the war is the fact the original 13th amendment bared lawyers from
political positions at the same time London was sending hundreds of barristers to the new country to influence our gov.. The Brits burned the archives in DC thus eliminating the documentation of this new
amendment and poof gov. is infected with lawyers.
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[...] Justin Raimondo writes: The two-hundredth anniversary of the beginning of the War of 1812 is upon us, and I’m shocked and surprised the War Party hasn’t planned a celebration: after all, as Jefferson Morley points out in Salon, this was the first neocon war, i.e. an unnecessary war of choice. Perhaps the reason for this shameful lack of hosannas is that it wasn’t particularly successful: the Brits burned Washingtonand routed our militias, while the glorious conquest of Canada – where, Americans were told, the inhabitants would shower us with rose petals at the moment of their “liberation” – was rudely repulsed by the ungrateful Canadians. The stated reason for the war – the forcible impressmentsof British deserters and American citizens on the high seas – had little to do with reality. After all, the Brits had been doing this since the Revolution, and their actions, while hardly conducive to Anglo-American relations, in no way threatened the survival of the Republic. Much more important, as a factor in starting the war, was the agitation of the “warhawks,” a group of younger members of the Jeffersonian (or Democratic-Republican) party in Congress, who charged that His Majesty’s Government was encouraging attacks on American settlers by the Indians, and who dreamed of conquering Canada. Indeed, the latter motivation was underscored by the libertarian congressman John Randolph, who declared: “Sir, if you go to war it will not be for the protection of, or defense of your maritime rights. Gentlemen from the North have been taken up to some high mountain and shown all the kingdoms of the earth; and Canada seems tempting to their sight. That rich vein of Gennesee land, which is said to be even better on the other side of the lake than on this. Agrarian cupidity, not maritime right, urges the war. Ever since the report of the Committee on Foreign Relations came into the House, we have heard but one word- like the whip-poor-will, but one eternal monotonous tone- Canada! Canada! Canada!” The warhawks, led by John Calhoun, were motivated less by outrage over British harassment of American persons and commerce than by the emerging delusion of Manifest Destiny that energized the earliest advocates of an international American empire. The Appalachian and southern states were the epicenter of this ultra-nationalistic agitation, and the editors of the Nashville Clarion gave voice to the imperialist impulse when they asked: “Where is it written in the book of fate that the American Republic shall not stretch her limits from the Capes of the Chesapeake to Noorka Sound, from the isthmus of Panama to Hudson Bay?” Before the neocons there were the warhawks of 1812. On the eve of war, their leader, the protectionist Senator John Calhoun, smugly declared: “I believe that in four weeks from the time a declaration of war is heard on our frontier, the whole of Upper Canada and a part of Lower Canada will be in our power.” Secretary of War William Eustis enthused: “We can take the Canadas without soldiers, we have only to send officers into the province and the people . . . will rally round our standard.” We’ll be greeted as liberators– don’t worry, it’ll be a cakewalk. Does any of this sound familiar? Aside from their complaint that the US government hadn’t killed enough native Americans, the warhawks longed for war with the British, who were aiding the desperate guerrilla defense mounted by the “Indians.” The frontiersmen resentedcompetition from British-Canadian fur traders, who had good relations with the tribes. In any case, the war was a disaster for the militarily weak fledgling republic, which might easily have been soundly defeated, and reabsorbed back into the empire. Think of it: If London hadn’t been busy fighting another war in Europe, we might all be speaking British. American forces were surprisingly successful on the sea, handing the Brits several stinging defeats, but on land it was a different story. The British army struck at the very heart of the young republic, burning Washington to the ground. The Nashville Clarion’s consultations with the Book of Fate turned out to be a serious misreading of the text: the projected conquest of Canada turned into a rout. American militiamen, called up for duty, were organized around the understanding that they would be defending their own country, not invading somebody else’s. One big reason for the failure to take Canada was the militias’ frequent mutinies. After the American defeat at Detroit, another march on Canada was launched, this time under the command of Gen. Stephan Van Rensselaer. This adventure came to an inglorious end, however, when the militiamen refused to cross the US/Canadian border. As one commentator notes: “Another invasion attempt, on 19 November 1812, collapsed when American troops refused to leave New York State and forced their leader, Gen. Henry Dearborn, to march them back to Pittsburgh. Less than two weeks later, Gen. ‘Apocalypse’ Smythe twice ordered his troops to cross the Niagara, both times failing in his courage and calling off the attacks. On returning from the second attempt, the soldiers turned their weapons on Smythe, forcing him to flee to Virginia.” The war was unpopular, both here and in Britain. The New England states, where the Anglophilic Federalists held sway, were hot-beds of antiwar sentiment – and outright sedition. Led by Massachusetts governor Caleb Strong, a cabal of Federalists held secret negotiations with the British government, proposing the secession of the New England states from the Union. The most famous American victory, the battle of New Orleans, took place after the peace treaty was signed – a treaty in which the Americans received virtually nothing. While the British agreed to stop harassing Americans citizens on the high seas, the territorial gains envisioned by the expansionists failed to materialize. Canada remained a British possession, and the American claim to Florida – a state that, from the beginning, has given us nothingbut trouble – went unrecognized by the British, or anyone else. The war of 1812 could fairly be characterized as America’s first defeat: militarily the result was, at best, a stalemate, but the political and economic aftershocks were the real disaster. As Murray Rothbard put it: “Even the war of 1812 – seemingly a harmless little escapade – was evil, and also in the domestic sense, in that it ruined the Jeffersonian Party for a long time to come, it established Federalism which means monopoly State-capitalism in essence, it imposed a central bank, it imposed high tariffs, it imposed domestic federal taxation, which never existed before, internal taxation, and it took a long time to get rid of it, and we never really did get back to the pre-War of 1812 level of minimal State power.” The young republic was infected with the virus of imperialism at an early age, and it ate away at the central organs of the body politic. The carriers were the intelligentsia, the social climbers, the politicians-on-the-make – those who, ironically, wished to emulate the British by building an American version of the Empire. In the interests of good taste and diplomatic decorum, our Canadian allies are loyally ignoring the anniversary of our ignominious defeat at their hands: Detroit, the supposed launching pad for the conquest of Canada, was surrendered to British troops and Canadian militia without firing a shot. The conquest of Canada was torpedoed by the stubborn refusal of American state and county militias to countenance the invasion. The defense of the country was one thing, but the conquest of a foreign land – why, it was un-American! They simply refused the order to invade. Oh, but that we had such a militia today! A standing army is a curse: a military priesthood with more than a few would-be Caesars in its higher ranks. Exactly what the Founders feared. Impossible, say you: we have too many enemies, it’s a dangerous world! Any gangster can say the same: he, too, has many enemies. His world is rife with danger, and with good reason. If you go around killing people, their relatives and friends tend to hate you, and are often impelled to seek revenge. [...]
aussiemic
June 22nd, 2012 at 7:14 am
"Naturally, any resemblance between US foreign policy and the activities of a criminal gang are purely coincidental…. "
Anyone who thinks that US foreign policy is similar to the acts of a criminal gang should consult an experienced general to set them straight. http://www.rense.com/general28/warisaRacket.htm
johngalt1717
June 22nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Canada did not exist people. Canadians are gloriously celebrating their defeat of the evil Americans today like they do every year at this time. Americans just don't know it because they have their heads so far up their ass that they can't see past the border.
The war of 1812 was Britain and the US. Canadians were British. Not Canadian. There was no defeat at the hands of Canada. Canada was not a country until 1867. IT may have been called Upper and Lower Canada (and PEI and Nova Scotia and New Brunswick too) but that was the British territory names, nothing more. Canadians have nothing to be proud of, because it wasn't Canada handing the US their ass, it was Britain.
The US was stupid, the Brits were stupid. IT was a stupid war fought over stupid things demonstrating the stupidity of most wars. Nothing more. And yes warmongers are evil, but seriously it wasn't Canada, never was Canada and wouldn't be Canada for more than 50 years after the fact.
So PLEASE GET IT RIGHT.
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Chris Baker
June 23rd, 2012 at 10:44 am
I've thought a lot about the War of 1812. I know that Jefferson considered it a "just war." That was in his writings.
A foreign government kidnapping American citizens on the high seas is an act of war. It was not a private terrorist group doing this. It was the British government. While the war was costly, it did manage to end this practice. Sometimes you have to fight just to win the respect of an enemy. Fighting can win your enemy's respect even if you do come close to losing.
redwood
June 24th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
So many of our wars were unprovoked, the Iraq War, the Libya War, the first Gulf War, the Spanish-American War, the Mexican War and WWI. The USA claimed to have liberated Cuba, the Philippines, etc. and colonized them. The US did not ask its citizens in Mexico to return to the US. It just took land away from Mexico. Our government took land from Native Americans and allowed the surviving tribes to live on reservations. This nation invaded Hawaii and imprisoned Queen Lilioukalani. Three years ago so many Hawaiians were not in the mood to celebrate its fiftieth year of statehood.
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