Defend Corporal Jesse Thorsen
Why they fear dissent in the military
Support the troops – as long as they keep their mouths shut. That’s the operative principle as far as Jesse Thorsen is concerned. The Boston Globe reports:
“An Army reservist who took the stage at a political event for Ron Paul and expressed his support for the Republican presidential candidate could face legal troubles, the military said Thursday.
“Cpl. Jesse Thorsen, 28, stood at a podium at the Paul rally in Iowa on Tuesday night wearing his military fatigues and said meeting the Texas congressman was like ‘meeting a rock star.’
“’His foreign policy is by far, hands down better than any other candidate’s out there,’ Thorsen told the cheering crowd.
“Army Reserve spokeswoman Maj. Angel Wallace said participating in a partisan political event in uniform is a violation of Defense Department rules and the military is reviewing whether Thorsen could face legal ramifications. Soldiers are permitted to vote, participate in some political activities and express opinions about candidates as long as they are not in uniform and speaking in an official capacity, she said.”
Soldiers are allowed to “participate in some political activities” – as long as they are the right people participating in the right political activities. After all, in 1970 Al Gore campaigned in military uniform with his father, Albert Gore, Sr.; Richard Nixon campaigned in uniform, touting his status as “Lt. Commander Richard M. Nixon,” against Helen Gahagan Douglas; and, as a piece in Commonwealth magazine points out:
“Nineteen forty six was a good year for World War II veterans running for office, and many of them campaigned in uniform. Among them was a resident of Boston, a former Navy lieutenant named John Fitzgerald Kennedy.”
This kind of thing happens all the time. Dwight Eisenhower told his campaign managers in 1952 that he would do his pre-convention campaigning – ‘if any” – in uniform and from Paris, where he was stationed at the time. Indeed, military figures routinely address political issues, particularly regarding foreign policy and defense: here is Gen. David Petraeus, at the Heritage Foundation in 2008, in full uniform and be-medaled to the max, giving a talk rife with political implications. He can get away with it because of the politics he’s pushing: Corporal Jesse Thorsen, not so much….
The War Party’s lynch mob was out for Thorsen’s hide the very next day, with Democratic party shill Paul Rieckhoff, head of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, declaring:
“Our troops are many things to many people. Heroes, parents, diplomats, victims, villains, victors. But as the GOP Primary races roll through New Hampshire this week, there is one thing that all of America must understand they’re not: political props. And that’s not just my opinion, it’s the law.
“This is why so many of us in the military and veterans community were so shocked and outraged last Tuesday night when we saw Corporal Jesse Thorsen step up to the microphone in uniform and endorse Ron Paul for President. We know the law–the military law under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). We know Article 88 of UCMJ prohibits contemptuous speech by commissioned officers against the President and certain elected officials at penalty of court-martial.”
Rieckhoff is off his rocker: the section of the complicated and often contradictory regulations being invoked against Thorsen has nothing to do with “contemptuous speech,” but with engaging in partisan political activity while in uniform. Here is what Thorsen had to say at the Paul rally: do you hear any “contemptuous speech” in these remarks? I thought not. However, if you’re a Democratic party operative like Rieckhoff – who has served as an official party spokesman – you do indeed hear “contemptuous speech” in Thorsen’s condemnation of President Obama’s foreign policy. CNN did an interview with Thorsen earlier, but cut him off when he started to talk about how our interventionist foreign policy is opposed by most soldiers – which is why Paul has garnered more donations from military personnel than all other candidates combined.
This widespread support for Paul’s “radical” anti-interventionist stance scares the War Party: it angers war-defender Rieckhoff, just like it frightens the bejesus out of the pro-war media, which stupidly characterizes Paul’s foreign policy views as “isolationist.” (Was Eugene McCarthy an “isolationist,” too?)
The elites don’t like us peons speaking out on issues they consider their personal domain, and foreign policy certainly falls into this category. When military figures – big shots like Petraeus – get up there in full uniform, pushing a pro-war agenda – well, that’s just fine and dandy. But let a mere corporal try to get a word in edgewise in the national debate over war and peace, and suddenly the Paul Rieckhoffs of this world are demanding a court martial!
The military code reads that on duty soldiers may “express a personal opinion on political candidates and issue, but not as a representative of the Armed Forces.” Thorsen never claimed to represent anyone other than himself, but this thin pretext for going after him is nothing new. During the Vietnam war, the Pentagon tried to go after soldiers who marched in antiwar demonstrations while in uniform, and harassment of antiwar activists in the conscript army was routine. Now apparently all that is coming back into vogue. As Yogi Berra once put it: “It’s déjà-vu all over again” – except that our Lyndon Baines Johnson is an African American and the antiwar protesters of yesteryear are solidly in his camp.
Isn’t it odd that the same “mainstream” media that made a heroine out of Cindy Sheehan – and rightly so – is less than sympathetic to the plight of Cpl. Thorsen? Well, not really, now that I think about it, because that was Bush’s war, you’ll recall, while Thorsen has the temerity to protest Obama’s wars. And that is an entirely different story as far as Rieckhoff, CNN, and Obama’s limousine liberal fan club are concerned.
Here is a soldier speaking out on behalf of a rational foreign policy, one that respects the Constitution and the sovereignty of other nations – so where are the “antiwar” protesters and liberal loudmouths now? Silent – if they’re not calling for Thorsen’s head, that is.
During the Vietnam era, the Pentagon tried to crush dissent in the armed forces, and failed miserably: as the war dragged on, they were faced with open rebellion in the ranks. They could no longer trust their own military to carry out orders: and at home, too, the natives were getting restless, as riots broke out in the streets and the very fabric of society threatened to come apart.
This is what our rulers fear the most: another bout of the Sixties. Only this time they fear it will be much worse, with the collapsing economy and the threat of another Great Depression looming on the horizon. It’s a positively Paulian scenario, the prospect of which explains the present nervousness in official circles about corporals in uniform taking a strong public stand: no wonder Thorsen’s actions provoked the Pentagon into reiterating its “no politics” policy in an official memorandum.
Of course they’re nervous: if you were sitting atop a global empire teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, uneasily contemplating the prospect of rebellion on the home front, wouldn’t you be more than a little apprehensive when soldiers in uniform started denouncing your wars of aggression? The sight of Thorsen up there questioning the very existence of the Empire poses a deadly threat to their power. Because if they can’t depend on the military to obey orders, then what will happen when those peasants with pitchforks show up at the castle gates?
Never mind Ron Paul: this isn’t about his candidacy. It’s about the right of Americans – all Americans – to exercise their First Amendment rights. It’s about the right to dissent, and the concept of equality before the law: if Gen. Petraeus can appear before the Heritage Foundation and make political speeches about our glorious campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, why can’t Corporal Thorsen speak out against our interventionist foreign policy?
I think we all know the answer to that question.
You don’t have to support Ron Paul’s candidacy to oppose the persecution of Corporal Jesse Thorsen. The antiwar movement has a moral responsibility to defend him, just as they defend dissident soldiers who refuse to obey unjust orders or regulations that violate their rights.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





eric siverson
January 10th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
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January 10th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
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Johnny in Wi.
January 10th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Every President uses the troops for background scenery, when he makes warmongering speeches. I remember old LBJ could appear nowhere else in public, but before a uniformed audience, by the end of his term. Why should the Military personel be used to propagandize for the Presidents policies? I am proud to say that 3 days before the 1964 election I was in a small group of students who gave LBJ the worst heckling he had ever received in his life. He sure did not know how to handle it. Every time he told another big whopper, we hooted and laughed. Military people at these Presidential photo opps, don't have that option.
dink
January 11th, 2012 at 3:13 am
World War 2 soldiers at the end of the war, wrote "No boats, No votes" on their letters to make Washington DC send them home. When does the anticommunist cold war get to end? When does excusing Obama for continuing Cheney and the neoconservatives get to end.
In 1966, and the Vietnam War was still hip to a governor's son, college age Mitt Romney protested against protesters. Of course Mitt Romney, as a Mormon missionary was exempt (same result different reason for Newt Gingrich). http://www.mercurynews.com/internal-affairs/ci_19…
While it makes sense that the Military should not be overly politicized, because we need no coup d'etats. The crap that soldiers can do 10 years of Afghan nation building is eventually going to anger the troops. That is logic. Maybe, if Iraq was never attacked; Afghanistan would be different now? Libertarians says war just grows the state. Doesn't it show they get too ambitious. They might of more than the workers (soldiers) can chew. When the Soldiers get on the same crappy pension plans of rest of America, 401k like its been purposed. Watch and see real resistance in the military. Of course the election cycle will be done by then.
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January 11th, 2012 at 6:15 am
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Truthster
January 11th, 2012 at 7:45 am
You say: "Democratic party shill Paul Rieckhoff"
That is an understatement. I suspect that Reickhoff is out there as part of a psyops maneuver to keep people away from antiwar vets organizations like IVAW with initials suspiciously similar to the ones Reickhoff chose to use. And Reickhoff gains access readily to the MSM, just like MoveOn. org – and quite unlike IVAW, or Justin Raimondo for that matter.
Very suspicious.
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Watson
January 11th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Additionally, Rieckhoff citing Article 88 of the UCMJ is just to fluff up his writings and dazzle the ignorant public. If we take Rieckhoff at his own words, it clearly applies to 'commissioned officers,' not non-coms like this brave corporal.
Oblivous Maximus
January 11th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Just when you think these pricks have gone as low as they can go, they jumps up and fools you by descending even lower! Eventually one supposes they'll dig themselves down to the lowest reaches of hell.. where Dante assures us that.. well, you know.
Tim
January 11th, 2012 at 10:44 am
That Cpl. Thorsen was expressing his own views and not those of U.S. Army was self evident. Anyway, Presidents routinely use soldiers as props in their political rallies. Anyone recall Bush's landing on the USS Lincoln? Who is going to say with a straight face that wasn't a staged partisan political event? What about the Pentagon paying retired generals to appear on TV promoting the War Party's agenda? Who pays for all those flyovers at football games?
I suppose you can only wave the bloody shirt if you're promoting war. Good article, Justin
Generalissimo X
January 11th, 2012 at 11:01 am
just another perfect illustration of the hypocrisy of our pathetic slavish devotion to the military. it's fine to let them die or be blown to bits in some god forsaken outpost for banker and corporate greed, but to suggest doing something in their best interest i.e. bring them home is tantamount to treason. and i'd say thorsen's first amendment rights trump any pathetic attempt at military "justice" here. he's fought in iraq, he has the right to speak his mind. i for one KNOW the army in no way supports ron paul even if the rank and file soldiers do.
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January 11th, 2012 at 11:38 am
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liberranter
January 11th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Sorry, but I'll have to dissent from the majority opinion here and say that Cpl. Thorsen's appearance in uniform was indeed inappropriate (though hardly deserving of the draconian disciplinary and legal actions that partisan bureaurats are calling for). I say this in a 'what's sauce for the goose…" vein, in that if we were to change the circumstances — if Thorsen had appeared on behalf of, say, Romney, Gingrich, Bachmann, Perry, or any of the other Establishment, warmongering stooges– his actions would have been just as inexcusable and inappropriate and the readership of antiwar.com would no doubt be echoing the calls of his current detractors for legal and/or disciplinary action against him.
While I grant you that the laws and military regulations concerning political activity by members of the armed forces are often ignored or selectively enforced, they were put in place for a very important reason: to prevent the overt politicization of the armed forces, which itself dangerously subverts their ostensible purpose – the upholding and defense of the Constitution. We have only to observe recent history in other nations where politics and military leadership go hand in hand, often leading to coups and outright military dictatorships, to see why such laws MUST be in place here in America, however inadequate they might be in form or enforcement. While no one is suggesting that members of the armed forces should in any way be prevented from endorsing or voting for candidates of their choice, of whatever political persuasion, on their own personal time and out of uniform, to do so while in full uniform creates the appearance, intended or otherwise, of endorsement of a candidate or platform by the armed services themselves. Again, this is inappropriate, whether by a General such as David Betrayus or the lowliest Private.
Thorsen could easily have showed up to Ron Paul's Iowa campaign headquarters in civilian attire, given his interview just as he did, and none of the current fuss would likely have ensued. Even if it had, at the very least there would have been no basis for the MSM, Defense Department, and Democratic Party Establishment to get themselves worked up into a lather and there would have been no substantive basis for legal or disciplinary action against Corporal Thorsen at all.
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Lorraine
January 11th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Well, well – how ironic… please see my article on Wednesday's USA Today online, which I have also submitted to AntiWar for publication. Thorsen is a corporal, and a reservist who probably never even heard of the Hatch act until this brouhaha. I say give him a talking to and a copy of the memo and move on. At least that's what I'd advise any commander who asked for a recommendation. The more they beat this drum the worse it will look. Fortunately, the Paul Rieckhoffs of this world have no say in whether this young man gets persecuted, er, prosecuted. I am sure his actual boss will use good judgment. Hope springs eternal…
rick
January 11th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
To think even a small percentage of military people know the UCMJ inside and out is ridiculous. Most troops don't know shit about the UCMJ until it comes down on their head.
Sam
January 11th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
The American Prison Industrial Complexe, and they want to spread human rights and democracy abroad.
RickR30
January 11th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
and tyranny at home to fill the prisons.
Retired Army Colonel
January 12th, 2012 at 3:09 am
Corporal Thorsen should have known better than to appear in his Army uniform at a political rally and to appear on tv endorsing a political candidate, regardless of which candidate he may have favored as a civilian.
Yes, military personnel can appear in uniform at events like political conventions to present the colors, but not to participate in the business of such conventions. And yes, there are fly-bys of military aircraft at public events, participating in air shows, and military bands marching in parades such as the Rose Parade, all justified as an aid to military recruiting.
And yes generals can appear in uniform at meetings of non-profit organizations to make public speeches that have been cleared in advance by the Department of Defense or their services.
How did Richard Nixon allegedly get away with campaigning for Congress in his Naval Reserve uniform, and General of the Army Dwight David Eisenhower allegedly get away with campaigning for President in his Army uniform? You'd have to ask President Harry S. Truman, a democrat, who was Commander in Chief at that time. Certainly President Truman did not favor the election of either Nixon or Eisenhower.
MoT
January 12th, 2012 at 3:33 am
Pot calling kettle black argument. Evidently he isn't high enough up the slimy pole to warrant any excuses. This nation "pimps" soldiers all the time whenever it suits THEM.
montaigne
January 12th, 2012 at 4:12 am
"..the laws and military regulations concerning political activity by members of the armed forces are often ignored or selectively enforced, they were put in place for a very important reason: to prevent the overt politicization of the armed forces, which itself dangerously subverts their ostensible purpose – the upholding and defense of the Constitution. "
Since when was the American Constitution to be defended in Irag, Afghanistan, Somalia…? Any citizen should have the right, to oppose usurpers And soldiers the duty! After WW2 USA was in front line to punish people obeying illegal orders. Now it is time to clean up the USA itself! Hopefully peacefully by having Ron Paul as the next president. Ands it is morally right for this soldier to go forward with his criticism in uniform.
Strider55
January 12th, 2012 at 9:46 am
I was going to reply to "liberranter," but after reading all the comments decided to make multiple responses in an all-in-one post.
First, "liberranter" is right. Nothing at all would have happened to Thorsen if he'd given Rep. Paul that same ringing endorsement in civilian clothes. And I suspect he's also right about many writers here calling for Thorsen's head had he endorsed one of the warmongers instead. Hypocrisy does not help the antiwar cause.
Second, "Retired Colonel" is right about color guards and flyovers. No different from the Thunderbirds or Blue Angels performing at air shows. And it goes without saying that anything generals might say publicly, in or out of uniform, has been thoroughly screened and cleared in advance. Not that such clearance is actually needed. Recall what Smedley Butler said about not having an original thought the whole time he was in the Marines.
@ Lorraine: I was in the Air Force for two election cycles (1980 and '84). In both instances the wing commander's office sent memos to every unit on base for mandatory posting on bulletin boards. (IIRC the base newspapers also published them.) Those memos spelled out in excruciating detail exactly what we could and could not do in the political arena. At the top of the "can't do" list was appearing at or participating in rallies, speaking to the media, distributing campaign literature, and working in campaign offices while in uniform. We could do all of the above as long as we were off duty and in civvies, thereby showing that we were acting on our own and not as part of the military.
@ rick: Don't know if it's still the case, but in the 1980s everyone had to undergo mandatory UCMJ refresher training six months after joining, then another mandatory refresher course at first re-enlistment. Anyone not knowing (bleep) about the law after all that has only himself to blame.
@ Tim: The fact that the Pentagon pays retired generals to spew propaganda instantly reduces their credibility to zero. At any rate, since they're retired they have the same right under the 1st Amendment as anyone else to spew whatever they want. Would you have denied the retired Smedley Butler the right to speak against the warfare state, or to write War is a Racket?
@ Johnny in WI: Congrats on the anti-LBJ heckling. Just curious as what you were heckling him about, since he was (falsely, as it turned out) posing as the "peace" candidate while smearing Goldwater as a warmonger.
liberranter
January 12th, 2012 at 10:50 am
I'm not certainly not defending the deployment of troops abroad, which has nothing to do with the point I'm making. What I'm saying is that we cannot, in good conscience, make an exception to the rule for Corporal Thorsen, a rule which we would demand be enforced fairly and uniformly otherwise, simply because Corporal Thorsen is endorsing the man most of us consider "our" candidate. This is what Demopublican/Republicrat statists demand, not principled people of peace, fairness, and justice.
Yes, the Establishment certainly has subverted and co-opted the armed forces for its own perverse, illegal, extra-constitutional purposes. But the most effective thing that Corporal Thorsen, or any other serving member of the armed forces, could do to help reverse this process, in addition to voting for Ron Paul, is to get out of the Army and encourage as many of his fellow soldiers as he can to do likewise. Given that Thorsen seems to realize what military service is all about these days, I find it hard to imagine how he can continue to justify remaining a part of it if he truly believes in what Ron Paul stands for.
liberranter
January 12th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Exactly. It never ceases to amaze me, now just as it did in my years on active duty, the extent to which the double standard applies. Somebody with stars or an eagle on their collar is rewarded for doing the same thing that somebody with a corporal or sergeant's stripes on their sleeve is prosecuted for doing.
liberranter
January 12th, 2012 at 11:22 am
I have always had very serious heartburn with retired military officers being addressed by their former rank. AFAIC, once you've retired from active duty, the rank, title, privileges, and the power that went along with them are GONE as soon as you take off your uniform for the last time. These were entrusted to you by THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, through your oath of commissioning, under very specific circumstances, for a finite period of time and for a specific purpose. They are not "yours to keep." for as long as you live. (By the way, this goes too for former presidents, governors, cabinet secretaries, or anyone else who has ever held a public office or position.) Thus, Colin Powell should NEVER have been addressed as "General Powell" after he retired from active duty. Third-person references to "Former General Powell" would have been acceptable, but as far as anyone else should be concerned, he is "Mr. Powell," or, while serving as Secretary of State, "Secretary Powell" – and even then only for as long as he held the position.
The fact that so many people fawn deferentially over these parasitic losers after they've finished snouting at the public trough for three or four decades –and are usually still snouting indirectly in the costume of "consultant" for some organ of the state-corporate military-industrial complex– is one small reason among many big ones why they're allowed to commit the criminal depredations that they do.
Macdoodle
January 12th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Ron Paul wasn't voting so pro vets before 2008. Sure the more for me thinking and /or lets all get high philosophies have their appeal… BUT considering how things work and if RPaul is pro all constitution (but against the 14th) and against ADA and all hiring and other preferences like edu and housing assist and special care and even refused to take any govt medical coverage as an MD before he became fully supported by the taxpayer/ government himself – Sosince he is of the all is fair and would Remove all preferences – won't disabled vets car, job preferences etc Reickhoff and Obama fought hard for be gone too? Vets and others need to ask Paul to diagram how his plan to end the Fed and many agencies vets and others depend on wont lead to CHAOS and the Corporate Tea set up of almost no middle class for ever. The exact thing Bushies and farthest right GOP has worked for over the years. But dont worry young vets, when the last of jobs have gone overseas and you and your kids have no future and no real help you will be able to get and stay high. RPaul is counting on that.
liberranter
January 12th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
You might want to sober up or come down off of your high before posting incoherent nonsense that no one can read.
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January 13th, 2012 at 8:04 am
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MoT
January 14th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
I've come to the conclusion that even when they "occupy" an office or position I'll still address them by name only. It is what they "do" not who they "are". You'll notice these arrogant bastards don't seem willing to call you "my forced at gun point tax paying slave" or "citizen whatever" every time they deign to look down their noses at you. Do you? So whenever I speak to someone who "expects" such groveling I'll either speak as one who is an equal or by name but never by title or profession.
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Mary
January 14th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I sent the following email below to the Department of Defense about a week ago.
I contacted the Department of Defense and submitted the letter below. I think we should all stand together and speak out against injustice.
https://kb.defense.gov/app/ask
Dear Sir or Madam;
I am writing in response to articles I have been reading over the internet regarding Cpl. Jesse Thorsen possibly facing legal trouble. Cpl. Jesse Thorsen was selected by a CNN reporter among MANY voters to interview, an interview which was cut short by CNN AFTER Cpl. Thorsen response to the question of which GOP candidate he supports. Since, the interview was cut off after his response, one of the GOP candidates gave the American Cpl. an opportunity to speak freely without interruption. I believe this is called “Freedom of Speech”. I am not a Constitutionalist but under the First Amendment of the Constitution, we are granted Freedom of Speech. I am not a soldier but understand that soldiers pledge an oath to uphold the Constitution. They serve our country risking their lives to defend the Constitution everyday. It appears that the very same Constitution they risk their lives defending including the amendment which grants Americans the right to Freedom of Speech does not apply to them. This makes one ask and wonder, why was the soldier selected by CNN to interview? Why after he began to respond to the question of support was he is cut off air? Was this deliberate? Is this a message to ALL soldiers who support the “wrong” candidate? Is it that soldiers cannot exercise Freedom of Speech under the First Amendment nor can they freely vote under the Fourteenth Amendment? The world is watching and observing everything that transpires in this country including the platform of each GOP candidate. Any pursuits of legal issues against Cpl. Thorsen, a citizen of the United States and Defender of the Constitution reflects very poorly on a nation trying to build “Democracy” oversea with the use of American Soldiers.
Respectfully Submitted,
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MoT
January 18th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Just caught sight of this. You saying you were in the AF during the 80 cycle? Holy cow Batman! Well, all I remember during that winter at Lackland was how cold and miserable I was. Ronnie Raygun haunts me now with his smarmy "aw shucks" bull. If only I knew then what I know now.
MoT
January 18th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
We also have a "color" guard of sorts routinely parading through church sanctuaries from sea to shining sea. Is there not a conflict there as well? I sure as hell think so because it perverts the message that Christ preached. Obviously that has long since fallen out of favor because, to these hypocritical souls, the holder of the keys to hell and death isn't up to speed on modern day politics.
Strider55
January 21st, 2012 at 9:19 am
Yep, I was at "Happy Valley" in spring 1979 (squadron 3708), and it rained most of the time — good thing they issued us raincoats (and I still have mine). Our 1st base liberty was canceled because San Antonio was under a tornado watch. Most of my flightmates were from California and had never been through a thunderstorm; it was somewhat amusing to see them cower in their cots like little girly-men. If it was that cold I hope you didn't land in the drink on the "confidence course."
FWIW, I've read that USAF basic is now 8.5 weeks long and everyone is issued a rifle a la the Army & Marines.
As for Reagan, I'm disappointed in him too. He promised to do away with the Education and Energy Departments; both those abominations still exist, and are even bigger and badder than ever. (Gingrich and the GOP congressional candidates made the same promise in 1994, so why would anyone believe the Newtster now?)
Jesse
January 28th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
The selective enforcement of the unconstitutional hatch act is indeed targeted at those who endorse the "wrong message." The first words out of my mouth were to support and defend the constitution of the United States of America, and I never said I will relinquish my rights as an American citizen. The constitution says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. I wanted to wear my best suit ……….and I did. To the author, please contact me. cplthorsen@gmail.com