Gay Rights and American Foreign Policy
Never the twain should meet
The announcement that the US government will henceforth push the achievement of “gay rights” internationally, as a key element of its foreign policy, gives new meaning to the phrase “blowback” – and cut out the snickering! Because the self-righteousness and narcissism of American policymakers, in this instance, will have very real consequences for gay people throughout the world, and it isn’t going to be pretty.
If anything underscores the bedrock principle of what I call “libertarian realism” – the concept that the real roots of American foreign policy are determined by the vagaries of domestic politics – it is this proclamation, enunciated in one of Hillary Clinton’s more bombastic and self-regarding tirades, delivered in front of the UN “Human Rights Council.” With the President’s political base dispirited, and his reelection chances increasingly doubtful, what Democratic strategists perceive as a gay voting bloc is being energized for the battle to come. The problem is that the new US policy is going to hurt gays abroad, and, perhaps, place them in mortal peril. While the gay wing of the Democratic party organization was shouting hosannas at Clinton’s moral preening, the Chicago Sun-Times reported a different reaction coming from those gay rights advocates fighting in the trenches:
“Other activists focused on gay rights internationally were more restrained in their praise. Neil Grungas, founder of the San Francisco-based Organization for Refuge, Asylum and Migration, which represents gay asylum-seekers, said it was critical for the administration to secure allies on every continent to avoid looking like it was imposing American values on parts of the world that view the West with mistrust or hostility.
“Recalling how large demonstrations broke out in Pakistan in June after staff at the U.S. Embassy held a gay pride celebration there, he said that Obama’s sincere commitment to improving the gay rights picture globally could inadvertently make life worse for gays and lesbians abroad.
“’This cannot be seen as a U.S.-only issue because at the end of the day that would be counter-productive,’ said Grungas, who was in the audience for Clinton’s speech. ‘In countries where U.S. moral leadership is not high and where increasingly Western values are negative … there is a real danger people can use this issue and say, ‘No, we are cleaning up here, we are going to reject this American imposition of decay.’”
Never mind what actually helps gay people in, say, Pakistan: it’s what makes Hillary Clinton feel morally pure – and helps the Democrats stay in office.
What Hillary had to say in her speech epitomizes the unhinged moral hubris of a woman who sees herself as some kind of Historic Force, destined to alter the stars in their course. The lecturing tone: for thousands of words she catalogues the abuses heaped on gay people the world over, and denounces these as violations of the most basic human rights – but what is the US government prepared to do about it? Withhold “foreign aid” from countries that hurl gays off cliffs, as in Saudi Arabia? Certainly not: the new “policy,” as described in a memorandum from the White House to all agencies, specifies no such action – indeed, it specifies no particular action, just a general statement of “principle.”
After subjecting her audience to this burst of self-righteousness, Madame Clinton then launches into an absurdly one-dimensional assault on the idea that imposing American values on the rest of the world on a sensitive subject might be in the least bit counterproductive:
“The second issue is a question of whether homosexuality arises from a particular part of the world. Some seem to believe it is a Western phenomenon, and therefore people outside the West have grounds to reject it. Well, in reality, gay people are born into and belong to every society in the world. They are all ages, all races, all faiths; they are doctors and teachers, farmers and bankers, soldiers and athletes; and whether we know it, or whether we acknowledge it, they are our family, our friends, and our neighbors. Being gay is not a Western invention; it is a human reality. And protecting the human rights of all people, gay or straight, is not something that only Western governments do. South Africa’s constitution, written in the aftermath of Apartheid, protects the equality of all citizens, including gay people. In Colombia and Argentina, the rights of gays are also legally protected. In Nepal, the supreme court has ruled that equal rights apply to LGBT citizens. The Government of Mongolia has committed to pursue new legislation that will tackle anti-gay discrimination.”
Homosexual behavior has existed as long as history itself, and it knows no geographical boundaries: on the other hand, gay identity is indeed confined not only geographically but in time. In the Muslim world, for example, homosexual relations between men are widespread – on account of the unapproachable status of women – and tacitly sanctioned, as long as the relationships are discreet, i.e. “closeted,” in Western parlance. This means men who identify as fully heterosexual regularly engage in sexual relations with other men – to a far greater degree than is true in Western countries. The only difference is that there is no desire – and no need – on their part to “come out,” a Western ritual of political correctness that would impose gay identity on those who reject such a label for cultural-religious reasons.
The second point to be made is that gay identity, as opposed to gay sexuality, is a very recent phenomenon even in the West: its emergence as a cultural and now a political force can be traced to the “cultural revolution” of the 1960s, and the “liberation” of women, combining the prevalent hedonism of the post-Woodstock era with the cultural Marxist categories of class-race-and-gender “oppression.” Abraham Lincoln could sleep in the same bed with his favorite hunk for years and no one would have thought to call him “gay.” Spartan soldiers could bugger their comrades on the battlefield and then go home to their wives and children with nary a thought about their “sexual identity.”
Those were the Good Old Days. Today, a romp in the hay is a political act, and the non-Western reaction to this evolution is bad news for the “gay” underground in those countries. It means demagogues arising to wipe out this “Western menace,” while Western politicians capitalize on it here in the US by getting up on their high horses. This is the irony inherent in the only solid action item in the administration’s pro-gay memo: instructing US embassies abroad to facilitate applications for asylum in the US. First stir up the hornets nest – and then rush to the aid of those stung. That just about sums up the course of US “human rights” diplomacy in modern era.
No one denies that the oppression of gays – often quite horrific – in non-Western countries is deplorable, immoral, and all the rest. Yet there are many injustices in the world, most of which are beyond the power of the US government – or anyone – to correct. Certainly the US intervening in the moral life of foreign countries, about whose customs and history we can only have a limited understanding, is a prelude to other far less benevolent forms of meddling. It is only a short hop, skip, and a jump from “fighting for gay rights” rhetorically to intervening in other, less benign ways – including militarily.
American foreign policy is supposed to protect America’s interests abroad, and those interests are hardly served by alienating those non-Western countries where homosexuality is understood differently, and is in many cases illegal. Nor are the interests of gay people in those countries served by the posturing of American politicians who are simply pandering to domestic constituencies. In this case, as in all others, the best policy for the US internationally is to mind its own damned business.
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skulz fontaine
December 22nd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
It really doesn't matter what the issue may be at hand. If the SecState Schoolmarm Clinton is waxing whiny, well, it's like fingernails screeching down a blackboard. She does NOT help. Not in any manner.
RickR30
December 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Oh dear…something tells me this is not going to go down well in countries where hillary is going to apply these "principles." The US exporting homosexuality… this is what this sounds like and how other countries are going to interpret it. Remember geniuses in DC, it's not our alleged freedoms that causes our enemies to hate us, it's our actions- actions just as these.
When Democrats are in trouble all they can do is entrench into their most radical elements, the worship of minorities withing minorities within minorities. A good strategy if you want to lose. But then again, the Republicans aren't all that bright either. Next, hail abortions and start exporting drive-through-abortions, too. Then Obama plays the race card and we have the left at their best. '
Meanwhile the Republicans fight to get the vote of the zionists, israel firsters and the like. And the economy keeps tanking, Americans continue to be jobless and homeless, but who cares about that? This leaves room for Ron Paul to appeal not to insignificant minorities, but to the majority of the country, not with obscure and risible sexual agendas but with solutions to real problems that affect the country. Who is fringe and who is mainstream here?
davidgrayling
December 22nd, 2011 at 11:27 pm
American foreign policy is clear: America wants to dominate and control the whole world.
Gay policy is also clear: it wants to control the 'hole', make it acceptable, gild the lily, apply fragrances and perfumed oils, dress up what we all know is foul and stinks.
American foreign policy is foul and stinks too! Ironic, eh?
Ian
December 23rd, 2011 at 12:22 am
"Withhold “foreign aid” from countries that hurl gays off cliffs, as in Saudi Arabia?"
I am more inclined to believe the Saudis prop up the US government in their massive investment in military equipment and continue to accept US dollars for oil.
patriothere
December 23rd, 2011 at 1:12 am
Repealing dont ask dont tell will prove to be one of the biggest disasters we have ever seen. American troops will not want to serve and they will have to re-instate the draft.
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sandyfeet
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:42 am
. I know the idea of helping people in foreign lands is admirable and if you really want to help why not go there, yourself. See rights are a funny thing and every body has them. You can't ask the devout Christian/fill in the blank religion, who is anti gays to contribute to a campaign of gayness,and pay for someone else's abortion it just isn't fair, because when the devout Christian or fill in the blank religion, says no abortions, or no gays, you won't support him. This idea of using government to push our lifestyles not just on each other but globally is wrong. Personally I don't live in anyone else's bedroom nor do I want to, we have no business in these other countries for any reason. We have no business in each others bedrooms, unless invited. Some things are personal and should remain that way, period. I am of the firm belief that if we all just took care of ourselves, we might find there is no one else to look out for.
Repealing don't ask don't tell is meaningless, for the most part we all knew who were gay anyway, I don't remember anyone caring.
MvGuy
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 am
Ever vigilant hillary seeking new lows in grazing opportunities bottom of the political trough……..
joe
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:50 am
the u.s. and its ideas need to be removed from all time.
yes, the saudis prop up the u.s.
MvGuy
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
SOME FRIGGIN PATRIOT……….!!!! OOOOOOOOO BOOOO HOOO "American troops will not want to serve and they will have to re-instate the draft"………. &&&&&&&&&& that would be UN-PATRIOTIC….??? Maybe you didn't notice,m but the wars lately have ALL been for everyone BUT America and America's best interests…… AND MEANWHILE America is being sucked DRY!
Just read today, $6OO,OOO,OOO.OO for Jordan so the king there can have caviar and a nice fleet of Rolls……… WHY……………………
And what about the trashing of the constitution…??? Have you missed the link to the wars..?? PLUS looks like "O" is needing a war to B re-elected….. DO you really think these wars are good for America…….?? These R NOT America's WARS…..!!!!!!!!!! Just scams……….
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San Fernando Curt
December 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 am
Chest-thumping sanctimony is America's drug of choice. We were hooked by the Left, where moral showboating and illusory province patches over failed dogma and dodgy intellect.
Marginalia
December 23rd, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Justin has his own particular take on gay identity, and for what it's worth it's as politically inspired as those on the 'left' with Marxist or 'identity politics' influences. He doesn't care for state or societal recognition (and hence possible interference in) one's sex life. That's reasonable. What doesn't quite stand up to scrutiny is the notion that people who engage in acts of a homosexual nature (I'm trying to avoid the word 'gay' here, which would have been less cumbersome no?) are Better Off in hiding. That's probably not what Justin is getting at – though he encourages his readers to draw this conclusion, which some have – he is rather giving voice to the experience of gay people who don't identify with 'gay culture' as it is formulated in some quarters, or who, for whatever reason (personal or cultural) do not wish to face the consequences of revealing their homosexuality to the world at large. His rhetoric may be flamboyant, but the point is reasonable if a little more subtle than it may appear. Lest we forget , though, that the whole point of "coming out" is predicated on the (libertarian) desire for society and the state to withdraw from interference in sexual matters, the cessation of prohibitive action (as occurred in Justin's "Good Old Days") rather than the promotion of 'affirmative action'. Justin knows all this, but I sense that not all his readers (or Pat Buchannan for that matter) actually do.
Having said that, his point about the exporting of gay rights abroad by the US is right on the money. This would be like the homosexual equivalent of 'imperial feminism', which actually damages the rights of oppressed peoples outside the US because it imposes a narrow US cultural model on other societies, tends to exoticize those that it claims to be helping, and, most lethally, it feeds into local attempts to portray liberality as a foreign-imposed decadance or colonial conspiracy rather than, as Justin points out, something basically human. This kind of playing with people's lives may win supporters domestically (as the issue of women's rights in Afghanistan undoubtedly drew support to that war), but it's either ignorant or cynical – and dangerous either way.
Strider55
December 23rd, 2011 at 12:15 pm
I suspect it's less about exporting homosexuality than importing it. Note the reference to the "Organization for Refuge, Asylum and Migration". If I were a bookie, I'd make the odds 500-1 the Obama regime is clandestinely working with that bunch to create conditions abroad that would justify bringing as many homosexuals into the country as possible — all of whom would then become instant Democrat voters.
RickR30
December 23rd, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Good point. Export homosexuality, import homosexuals. Export war&death, import refugees. Just on whose side are these supposed-American politicians?
patriothere
December 23rd, 2011 at 2:49 pm
I'm just saying that having openly gay men and women in the military is gonna backfire. You will see a drop in recruits, not tomorrow, but sooner rather then later.
I'm against the wars too. That's why I'm sounding the alarm bells with this draft thing. They are gonna draft you to kill persians. How do you like that?
David4Peace
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
They won't draft anyone, ever. The only thing that could endanger the MIC is having large numbers of soldiers who don't want to be soldiers. They're armed, trained, and could rebel. All the anti-gay slurs in these comments are discouraging, BTW.
Justin, good piece but too understated. The very fact of USG "supporting" someone is likely to get them killed in much of the world. That's how hated it is.
redwood
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 pm
I don't see how Hillary can lecture other nations about gay and lesbian rights if she doesn't believe in same sex-marriage and her husband started "DADT" and signed "DOMA" into law. She's a member of the Obama Administration. Obama hasn't legalized same sex marriages all over the nation and ended DADT because of the protests.
Justin Raimondo
December 24th, 2011 at 1:25 am
You wrote: "Lest we forget , though, that the whole point of "coming out" is predicated on the (libertarian) desire for society and the state to withdraw from interference in sexual matters, the cessation of prohibitive action (as occurred in Justin's 'Good Old Days…'"
This is incorrect. The only libertarian desire is the desire to keep the state out: "society," however, is a different matter. Social pressure is the voluntary action of private individuals, and gays would not be relieved of it in a libertarian society. Libertarianism, in short, isn't going to make everyone love gay people, or even tolerate them: and, of course, it would be entirely legal for private individuals to discriminate.
You are entirely right about who I want to give voice to, by the way. Very perceptive comments.
Marginalia
December 24th, 2011 at 2:33 am
"The only libertarian desire is the desire to keep the state out: "society," however, is a different matter."
Thanks for your correction. I shouldn't have conflated the two.
MoT
December 24th, 2011 at 5:31 am
Since when has anything DC touches not turn to crap?
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