The Republican "national security" debate sponsored by Neocon Central the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation captured perfectly the intellectual and political bankruptcy of the Republican party when it comes to foreign policy. Here the party’s pandering demagoguery, reflexive ultra-nationalism, and visceral hostility to liberty was on full display in all its exhibitionistic belligerence. It was only natural, therefore, that the first question was asked by disgraced former US Attorney General Edwin Meese, who was forced to resign as Reagan’s AG as a result of his complicity in obtaining big defense contracts for a phony "minority"-owned company. Here is his "question":
"At least 42 terrorist attacks aimed at the United States have been thwarted since 9/11. Tools like the Patriot Act have been instrumental in finding and stopping terrorists. Shouldn’t we have a long range extension of the investigative powers contained in that act so that our law enforcement officers can have the tools that they need?"
What a set up for Newt Gingrich! And he certainly took advantage of it: naturally he was given the first answer –with poor Herman Cain having outlived his usefulness and been unceremoniously dumped, Newt is the "mainstream" media’s new darling. That’s because he can always be counted on to reiterate the neocons’ favorite talking points, and on this occasion he did not disappoint:
"BLITZER: Speaker Gingrich, only this weekend there was an alleged terror plot uncovered in New York City. What do you think?
"GINGRICH: Well, I think that Attorney General Meese has raised a key point, and the key distinction for the American people to recognize is the difference between national security requirements and criminal law requirements.
"I think it’s desperately important that we preserve your right to be innocent until proven guilty, if it’s a matter of criminal law. But if you’re trying to find somebody who may have a nuclear weapon that they are trying to bring into an American city, I think you want to use every tool that you can possibly use to gather the intelligence.
"The Patriot Act has clearly been a key part of that. And I think looking at it carefully and extending it and building an honest understanding that all of us will be in danger for the rest of our lives. This is not going to end in the short run. And we need to be prepared to protect ourselves from those who, if they could, would not just kill us individually, but would take out entire cities."
In less than 200 words, Newt managed the wholesale bifurcation of American law into two parallel tracks, one that acknowledges how "desperately important" it is to "preserve your right to be innocent until proven guilty," and the other which recognizes no such necessity – and, in fact, negates it.
Oh, isn’t he glib – isn’t he clever? With a mere sleight of hand he has obviated the Constitution and upended the legal and moral traditions of two hundred years. What an achievement! He smiles a greasy, easy grin, well-pleased with himself. The audience dutifully applauds.
"I’ve spent years studying this stuff," he adds, and one could well believe he had indeed spent years learning how to start out with a libertarian premise – "It’s desperately important that we preserve your right to be innocent until proven guilty" – and coming out the other end with a purely authoritarian conclusion. This, as I’ve pointed out in the past, is Bizarro Conservatism – a doctrine that preaches the precise opposite of what the traditional "less government," pro-individual rights conservatives used to believe.
Newt’s clash with Ron Paul over this issue defined the parameters of the subsequent hour or so: this was the first Paul-centric debate, preceded by his rise in the polls and his increasingly important role as the ideological catalyst of this GOP presidential primary. Once again, as in the economic sphere – with even former Federal Reserve board member Herman Cain echoing Paul’s call to audit the Fed – the Texas congressman set the tone of the discussion with his ringing defense of the Founders’ concept of what freedom means:
"I think the Patriot Act is unpatriotic because it undermines our liberty. I’m concerned, as everybody is, about the terrorist attack. Timothy McVeigh was a vicious terrorist. He was arrested. Terrorism is still on the books, internationally and nationally, it’s a crime and we should deal with it.
"We dealt with it rather well with Timothy McVeigh. But why I really fear it is we have drifted into a condition that we were warned against because our early founders were very clear. They said, don’t be willing to sacrifice liberty for security.
"Today it seems too easy that our government and our congresses are so willing to give up our liberties for our security. I have a personal belief that you never have to give up liberty for security. You can still provide security without sacrificing our Bill of Rights."
Newt thought he’d won by making a dramatic pause and intoning:
"Yes. Timothy McVeigh succeeded. That’s the whole point."
Looking like a Halloween pumpkin left out in the rain, Gingrich went into novelist mode, scaring the children with the specter of "losing a major American city" and bringing his fist down hard on the podium as he thundered
"I want a law that says, you try to take out an American city, we’re going to stop you!"
Paul’s answer was perfect:
"This is like saying that we need a policeman in every house, a camera in every house because we want to prevent child-beating and wife-beating. You can prevent crimes by becoming a police state. So if you advocate the police state, yes, you can have safety and security and you might prevent a crime, but the crime then will be against the American people and against our freedoms. And we will throw out so much of what our revolution was fought for. So don’t do it so carelessly."
In short: why not just set up a dictatorship and be done with it? Paul is too polite to point out that Newt would make the perfect dictator, strutting about the stage and puffing out his chest like a peacock on parade – so I will.
I thought I detected an elegiac note in Paul’s remarks, a sadness in his voice as he pleaded with his audience not to throw away the Founders’ gift "so carelessly." As if he fears that they probably will, anyway.
There is reason for pessimism: we are, after all, living in a time when a half-baked professional bloviator like Gingrich is considered a conservative "intellectual." With the help of the "mainstream" media – which would like nothing more than to see the singularly unattractive and baggage-laden Gingrich up against their hero Obama – the Newtster is having his moment in the sun. It will, however, be a brief moment – and he’s not really running for president anyway. Everyone knows his campaign has been a vanity project and moneymaking operation from the outset.
Quietly gaining traction, the growth and development of the Paulian movement occurring largely beneath the media’s radar, the Paul campaign has achieved tremendous gains for the peace movement in America. No matter how it ends, it has created a new chapter in the history of the foreign policy discourse in this country: anti-interventionism is no longer considered the exclusive preserve of the "radical" left. For the first time since the 1930s, the anti-imperialist tendency in American conservatism is in the ascendant: the Old Right is back, more organized and intellectually coherent than ever.
This is a development the neocons have long feared, and the vicious attacks on Paul coming from those quarters are bound to increase in number and intensity as the campaign succeeds in becoming the conservative alternative to the supposedly "inevitable" Mitt Romney.
Gingrich’s job in all this is to act as the "moderator," the Deep Thinker who polices the discussion, always on the lookout for any deviation from neoconservative orthodoxy. His role-playing is underscored by the post-debate speculation over whether he imperiled his rising star by taking a "soft" stand on immigration.
It may seem passing strange that someone so concerned about a nuclear bomb being smuggled into a major American city would take such a lax attitude about policing our borders. But that’s the Newtster for you: he can think up an argument for anything – even taking $1.6 million from Freddie Mac while at the same time claiming to be in favor of abolishing it! I tell you, the man’s a genius – and if you don’t believe that, then just ask him. After all, he’s "spent years studying this stuff."
There’s nothing new in Newt’s stance on immigration: he’s been saying the same thing for years. He said at the debate he’s "willing to take the heat" on this issue because the neocons – who see America as a "universal nation," like Rome, Great Britain, and the other great empires of the past – have always been for amnestying so-called illegal aliens. On the other hand, Paul echoes the concerns of the Republican base in wondering why, when we’ve lost control of our own borders, we’re so concerned about securing the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Every conservative aspirant but Paul has had his moment in the media spotlight as the rightist "alternative" to the Inevitable Romney – not, you’ll note, on account of any actual votes being cast, except in widely variable polls of oftentimes dubious provenance, but largely due to the amount of media attention lavished on them. Cain was propelled into the spotlight, and just as quickly abandoned: Perry was once hyped, and he too fell by the wayside – not to mention Bachman (and Palin) before them.
Now it’s Paul’s turn – but his rise is coming about in quite a different way, which is why it may prove more lasting than the others. That’s because his steadily rising poll numbers are due entirely to his own efforts, and the efforts of his supporters: the antiwar libertarian certainly has not gotten a push from the "mainstream" media. Quite the opposite: it got to the point where Jon Stewart was able to write an entire comedy routine around how deliberately the media was ignoring Paul.
The media Establishment’s current line on Ron Paul is that he is preparing a third-party run: that way, they don’t have to even discuss the prospect that he could mount an effective challenge to Romney. Yet the new GOP primary rules, which give proportional representation instead of "winner take all," are conducive to Paul’s steady-as-it-goes come-from-behind campaign strategy – and Iowa, where organization and dedication count most of all, is now in Paul’s sights. Independents can vote in the New Hampshire primary, and the momentum of a Paul victory in Iowa could bring in an influx of antiwar voters and give him a breakthrough victory in the “Live Free or Die” state.
Both Paul and the foreign policy issue have gotten short shrift this election season, at least so far – but so what else is new? Insofar as the latter is concerned, inattention to what would seem to be an important issue has been the norm for many years. That’s why the American people woke up, one day, to find themselves in possession of a world empire, without having any memory of having voted on it or consented to it in any way.
This election, however, may turn out different. It’s a long way to Election Day, 2012 – and in politics, a year might as well be a century. A lot can happen: for example, Israel could strike at Iran and drag us into a war that all the GOP candidates but one would reflexively support. Not that the Israelis would even think of trying to influence the outcome of the election through such a ploy – or would they?
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
Speaking of a possible Israeli attack on the Iranians aimed at dragging us into their war: during the debate Paul downplayed that possibility, averring that the Israelis would probably not do it. However, if I were him I wouldn’t be so sure. As I’ve pointed out in this space on several occasions, that option is an arrow in Israel’s quiver, and we can’t assume they won’t loosen it on their adversaries. That’s one good reason why the anti-war cause is so vitally important at this particular moment – and why Antiwar.com’s survival as an institution is so important to the cause of peace.
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andy
November 24th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
We all know who the neocons are and who they want to use America for to protect. Nor is it any wonder that on the immigration front they see America as "a universal nation".
Nelson_2008
November 24th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Car accidents kill about 39000 people every year in the U.S. – approximately the equivalent of a 9/11 every 28 days; so why is there no "war on cars"? According to a study by reseachers at Harvard Medical School, lack of health insurance kills 45,000 people every year in the U.S. – the equivalent of a 9/11 every 24 days; so why is there no "war on the lack of health insurance"? Why don't we see politicians railing on and on, day after day, pounding it into us that we must stop this carnage? Why are we not making ourselves hated all over the world and attacking factories that make car parts and bankrupting our economy and destroying the dollar to wipe out cars the way we must wipe out "Al Qaeda"? And why are there no torture camps for Hospital administrators and Doctors who charge too much?
omop
November 25th, 2011 at 6:27 am
As a friend surmised after the "foreign policy debate"…. Herman and Newt's ardent views one defending the US are ideal characteristics of committed commandos. Both should be summarily inducted into the military and shipped to either Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, Syria, Iran or someplace else where their kind would fit in.
Mick
November 25th, 2011 at 8:36 am
Newton_2008. What you say is exactly what I have said since 9/11. If Americans are so cowardly that they will give up their freedoms and bankrupt the country for an infinitesimally small chance of getting killed by a terrorist than we are getting everything we deserve. Countries like Colombia have had to live for years with terrorism a thousand times worse than ours. They did snivel like my fellow Americans apparently are. What is most interesting it is the tough guy gun owners who appear to be most petrified of the so-called terrorists.
MoT
November 25th, 2011 at 10:15 am
I've said the same, about the car accident rate, to folks ever since 9/11 occurred. The numbers are the same so where is the equivalent outrage? It's absurd, of course, but nobody seemed to ever have any answer. They'd just sit and look at me like a deer in the headlights.
timetospeak
November 25th, 2011 at 11:05 am
I would like to see you address these issues directly without the character assaults that get in the way of my hearing what you are actually trying to say. This article is a very good article for your personal journal, however, your actual message is buried somewhere in the middle of the assault upon the Republican Party and Newt Gingrich.
I would like to hear what you have to say. I do not want to wade through the bloody mess of attacks. If you want to reach people other than the already convinced, keep it simple and direct.
What is the error made?
What is the accurate picture?
What is the solution?
RickR30
November 25th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Great point and useful statistics. There are monthly 9/11s. Problem for these candidates, how are their buddies in the military mafia going to make trillions of those?
RickR30
November 25th, 2011 at 11:08 am
You had me until you got to gun owners. Many are petrified of the government, not terrorists.
RickR30
November 25th, 2011 at 11:27 am
And thus Newt defines himself as one of the most dangerous men in America. Elect him- kill the Constitution. Someone who has studied this "stuff" apparently forgot all about what America stands for. Glenn Greenwald wrote his book just in time. Read it Newt. There you will learn what it means to live under the rule of law, that is no one is above the law (to decide to whom rights don't apply), nor is there someone below the law- to whom some arbitrary extra-legal national security statues would apply. The idea that innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply in the realm of national security is Un-American, unpatriotic, idiotic, if not evil.
He also provided the most important line by any neocon recently, one that goes to the heart of their agenda: "…building an honest understanding that all of us will be in danger for the rest of our lives. This is not going to end in the short run." There it is- the aim- to get Americans to live in fear for all eternity, and thus embrace and pay for whatever illegal and immoral crap the elites can't wait to force on the American people. And where did this idea come from? Israel. They've always been annoyed by the West's inability to see the world through their rotten eyes. Until the West lives in the mythology of the constant nuclear bomb exploding at any time, until they live in terror of having a rock thrown at them at any time, they will never support Israel wholeheartedly. Now they will… The universalization of the israeli experience will be achieved in a Newt presidency. And with that the incorporation of the israeli budget in America's, invasion and occupation of Iran and any other "existential" threats to the "realm" of greater israel. Any American who doesn't like it, well, he's a threat to national security and the presidential panel of death will have him eliminated. A collateral benefit will be to harass an abuse Americans any time they have the audacity to travel. Traveling across state-lines will be akin to flying to israel from a Muslim country. This just to make sure that Americans are reminded that they are to submit to "their" government.
From this it is clear that the establishment candidate on the Republican side is Newt. Romney is a Mormon, Cain is a bozo, Perry is dumb, Bachmann is cute, Newt is perfect- a scholar who can confront that other alleged constitutional scholar in the White House, with plenty of skeletons in the closet for Americans to forget and forgive, like they did with Bubba and Dubya and Obama (wherever he was born).
David
November 25th, 2011 at 11:59 am
The problem, of course, is that you can't make political hay out of cars or health insurance. Much easier to scare people with the specter of some diabolical enemy, preferably one with a different religion, language, or appearance.
RickR30
November 25th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Seriously, you didn't find this simple enough?
Strider55
November 25th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
You missed the greatest domestic carnage of all — the war on the unborn. If the longtime estimate of 1.5 million abortions annually is correct, that comes to just over 4000 a day, or a 9/11 every 18 hours. Even if that number is wrong by half, a 9/11 every 36 hours is hardly an improvement. For sheer blood lust, Al Qaeda has nothing on Planned Parenthood and the rest of the abortion industry.
For the record, as an OB/GYN Ron Paul opposes abortion. However, true to his constiutionalist principles he fights that battle the right way. On at least one occasion he has sponsored legislation that would nullify Roe vs. Wade by removing abortion from the jurisdiction of the federal courts, thereby returning the issue to the states. FYI, Congress does have that power under Article III, Section 2, though it has rarely been invoked.
Mick
November 25th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
I hope you are right. However Repulican voters seem to be especially terrified of the basically non-existent terrorist threat. I am no Dem, but besides Ron Paul, the rest of the bunch are basically insane.
Mick
November 25th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
You are joking I take it
San Fernando Curt
November 25th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
An Israeli attack on Iran would suck us into yet another war – and gas would balloon to at least $10 a gallon. It's easy to believe that may be final straw in American public appraisal of our Mideast policy, and even our relationship with Israel. It could just turn everything around. As awful is such a prospect, that would be one bright side of an Iranian war.
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paul
November 25th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Why have you not fired Ditz? Everyone can see that he is pushing for war against Syria, and that his posts on the subject are blatant propaganda. Why is he still here? Is this an antiwar site or is it not?
andy
November 25th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
I think that women should have the right to have access to an abortion if they so desire.
andy
November 25th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Mick, gun ownership has no parallell with what you are saying.
@lesterhalfjr
November 26th, 2011 at 8:10 am
two words would have helped Paul on his point about profiling: Anders Breivik
Don E
November 26th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Paul surging? Going to give Romney a run for his money? I hope you're right, Justin…
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 26th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
The wars of agression that the treasonous scum Gingrich is an enthusiast for create terrorists such as Tim McViegh and Mohammad Atta. McViegh was without a doubt psychologically and neurologically damaged by Iraq war 1. He blew the head off a dazed Iraqi soldier with fifty caliber machine gun the top of the Abrams tank he was in. Mohammad Atta and his comrades were driven into a rage state over the murder of Mulims in the Middle East by Israel and the US. Foolishly, Muslims are being allowed to colonize America….9/11 was a 100 percent certainty.
Newt Gingrich is a force of death and destruction in America and the rest of the planet.
MoT
November 26th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Strider doesn't argue that and neither does Paul. They say it should be YOUR decision but certainly not subsidised through theft of your money. Same as war. If your conscience so directs then go right ahead but not on mine or anyone else's dime. Quite simple really.
MoT
November 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Great points brought up. Paul brought about four thousand souls into this world while all his opponents are more than happy to send you off this mortal coil. That in itself should tell you everything. Nitpick about this or that policy but if someone is hell bent to kill folks with a casual wave of the hand, and you support them, then you've got serious problems. People bought into Obamas lies because he was considered the lesser of two evils but instead got EVIL on steroids. They need to stop deluding themselves into thinking anything will change with that sort of mentality.
Sam
November 26th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Fairness and the 'Occupy' movement from the WSJ. The full text of this article is available now to Wall Street Journal subscribers. The entire article will be posted here Monday, Nov. 28.
Some time it takes some time.
Sanjay
November 26th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Obama = Romney = Perry = Cain = Gingrich = GOP = Democrats. Different puppets, same deceitful/ traitorous Federal Reserve/Bankster masters.
Gingrich, Perry, Romney, Cain = medical care dictatorship, $16-Trillion/bailouts, endless wars/empire, free health/education/food/house/amnesty for 3rd world invaders, racist quotas, bankster funded campaign. Thats not all.
Gingrich = endless wives, $1.8-Million Freddie-mac bribe.
Cain = Kansas Federal Reserve thug, "Libya swirls in my head", unauthorized finger in panties.
Romney = abortion, gun control.
Perry = Gardasil for little girls, "ni##erhead" on farm, "oops, whats the 3rd one?", "Bank-of-America helping him out".
End the wars/empire, end the federal reserve/IMF/World Bank/BIS/UN/WTO, end racist quotas, end TSA/DHS/ADL/SPLC and other Orwellian crime syndicates.
Ron Paul will restore sound money, strong national defense, liberty, free enterprise, local government, strong traditional families, Western Civilization.
Paul got 3 times as much campaign donations from US forces as all other GOP candidates (prostitutes) combined.
Paul will stop all bribes/military Aid to Pakistan so India can handle Pukestan.
Mick
November 27th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
My point was the gun loving redneck types are the most diehard war followers in the States. True the Neocon start the wars, but after they are going these flag waving redneck types almost all fall in line. I find it ironic for all of my 53 years the gun lovers said they need it against a tyrannical government. Well we have that sort of government mostly embodied by the Gingrich, Perry types and I would say 90% of these types I described will vote these warmongers.Obama is definitely no bargain but we all know deep down he hates kr at least resents the Zionist influence as far as the MidEast goes. He is just a weakling who only cares about getting reelected. The Repulicans on the other hand seem to really follow the line of the Zionists because they believe in it. It is true guns have nothing to do with these wars but the hypocrisy of the whole gun nut crowd screams loud and clear these days.
bob35983
November 29th, 2011 at 3:23 am
Justin; good work. In this last debate that which is conspicuous by it's absense is the history between Paul & Gingrich, a history just us political junkies are probably aware of. As I like to say, Gingrich is only as tall as he is because he stands on the bodies of GOP Reps he personally slew. But Paul is one, and to Gingrich probably "the one", who survived Gingrich's attempts against his political life. Now this assassin, recalled from political Siberia, is again sharpening his dagger, savoring the belief he will put an end to Ron Paul once and for all.
I'd like to think the Old Right engine is re-gathering steam and I hope the American people send that war-mongering huckster back to Georgia for good.
Emmanuel Goldstein
November 29th, 2011 at 8:50 am
I'd like to believe that Ron Paul is steadily rising in the polls and will ultimately win the nomination and the Presidency, but I see no evidence that that is actually happeniong. RealClearPolitics 2012 Republican Presidential Nomination seem to show Paul more or less flatlined at about 8%–higher in some polls and lower in others, but no discernable upward (or downward) trend that I can see. And I'd like to believe that my fellow Americans share my dislike of the empire, the war du jour, and the security state, but I see no evidence that we're more than a relatively small minority, and I certainly see no evidence that an electorally significant number of Americans are willing to vote for a true anti-imperialist, anti-war candidate.
bogart
November 29th, 2011 at 9:21 am
I must confess. Every time I hear the word Gingrich, the following line from Monty Python comes to mind:
"She turned me into a newt, I got better."
I realized that I do not need therapy because I am laughing at the movie instead of thinking about the increase in the level of control and brutality that the US Government will install under a Newt Presidency. And that brutality will of course first be initiated at Persians and other South West Asians and Africans but will eventually make it to China. As with the increase in foreign intervention the control and brutality of the US Government will increase as well. Hopefully the people of USA can escape without getting into full blown Mussolini style Fascism.
Franklin Pierce
November 29th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Mick, as a "gun loving redneck type", your stereotyping of gun owners represents a profoundly different experience than mine. Most gun owners that I know personally abhor the philosophy of endless war. Perhaps you are hanging out with the wrong gun owners or presuming all neocons are gun owners.
Emmanuel Goldstein
November 29th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Big deal. Doctors and nurses who can't be bothered to wash their hands kill about 100,000 every year. Do we have a war on hospital acquired infections? Internment camps for careless health care providers? Hell no! Our friends in the GOP only offer "tort reform" to make sure no one gets sued.
Tony
December 7th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
"My point was the gun loving redneck types are the most diehard war followers in the States."
Do you have any proof of this? And by "this" i mean the conflation of being a 'gun lover' with being a die hard war follower? Because from what i can tell, the 'gun control' enthusiasts of the left are surprisingly pro-war now that Obama is running the show. Does this mean, as per your logic, that 'gun control' enthusiasts are also in favor of war in part because of their gun control ideals? Or is there an unrelated factor you conveniently dismiss? Like…You know…being on Team Red or Team Blue, or simply being a nationalist?
Does being a redneck make you a diehard war follower? Or living in middle-America? Or being religious? Or believing in family values? Hey, why not choose any of these? What's the conflation between war and gun lovers?
Did you know that some countries where gun rights were taken away, started massacring their people? Does this conflate gun control with gemocides? What does that say about Democrats?
"True the Neocon start the wars, but after they are going these flag waving redneck types almost all fall in line."
So now you are not only conflating gun lovers with war followers but also with flag wavers? You conflate a lot without bothering with any logic, proof or statistics, don't you?
Tony
December 7th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
"True the Neocon start the wars, but after they are going these flag waving redneck types almost all fall in line."
Sounds a lot like Obama-Democrats (e.g. Libya). Except that they don't wave flags and don't like guns.
So the conclusion using your logic is, not waving the flag and not liking guns means you like wars and fall in line with the warmonger-in-chief.
Now we have a logical contradiction.
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