Obama Plays the China Card
Saber-rattling for the sake of Big Labor and Big Oil
Declaring the US is "here to stay," President Obama made his Asian trip the occasion for a renewed assertion of US hegemony in the region, announcing a new agreement with Australia that would see thousands of US marines stationed at a base in Australia. Dispelling any doubt about who or what this garrison is meant to guard against, the One declared China must "play by the rules."
Who sets those rules? Washington does, of course. Which raises the question: what are the rules, anyway?
Actually, there’s only one: Washington is always right — even when it’s wrong, and you may apply it in any situation, no matter the specifics.
Take, for example, the charge recently leveled by a report from the "US-China Economic and Security Commission" – a congressional "advisory" body set up in 2000 under pressure from labor unions and neoconservative hawks — that China is "manipulating" its currency in order to gain exports at our expense. The reality, however, is that the US government is manipulating the dollar, relentlessly driving it downward in order to be able to pay back pennies for every dollar of America’s astronomical national debt, currently at $15 trillion and rising. That these policies are destroying trillions in reserves and savings, and will eventually cause economic chaos both here and internationally, hasn’t stopped US policymakers from pursuing their suicidal course in the name of "creating jobs" by driving export sales. The real currency manipulators aren’t in Beijing, they’re in Washington.
The new China-bashing policy is being unveiled at a time when President Obama finds his political position increasingly undermined by bad economic conditions at home — and here is the explanation for this new turn in American foreign policy. Obama must placate the virulently anti-Chinese labor unions, who prefer to blame "cheap labor" overseas rather than the anti-business policies favored by Washington, for the hollowing out of American industry.
Flush with cash, the Chinese are almost single-handedly buying up US Treasuries and carrying our incredible debt burden on their shoulders. Does the US really want to engage in a trade war, as some Democratic politicians are calling for, with the leaders of a country that holds our economic fate in their hands? What would happen if Beijing decided to stop buying that debt? We would see a world-wide run not only on US Treasuries but on all sovereign funds: the result would be global economic chaos.
Washington is convinced Beijing is locked in to a policy of subservience by the probable consequences of such a turn of events, which would hit China hard. Chinese leaders are restrained, they believe, because a condition of "mutual assured destruction" prevails — but I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
If Uncle Sam continues to demonstratively prod and tease the Chinese tiger, grandstanding for the benefit of a domestic audience, he may find himself missing more than a couple of digits before the show is over. Chinese nationalism is such a powerful force that even the Chinese Communist Party lives in dread of it. That’s because Chinese public opinion is far less inclined to tolerate US bullying than the ruling elite. As a recent report on the growing influence of non-state actors in the conduct of China’s foreign policy puts it:
"Nationalist sentiment is widespread and criticism of Chinese leaders for bowing to international demands is incessant on the Internet. While most foreign policy decisions are made with little regard to public opinion, Chinese officials are aware that dissatisfaction can give rise to questioning of the Party’s ability to govern. Hence, leaders’ actions can be constrained in international crises, particularly when the United States or Japan are involved."
China-wide demonstrations against perceived US interference in Tibet, and protests over Japan’s claims to disputed islands, were carefully controlled and even downplayed by the Chinese government; from the elite’s perspective, nationalism is a double-edged sword, one that could just as easily be wielded against them as against "foreign devils." That’s one reason why it is exceedingly stupid for the US to intervene in the myriad border disputes between China and its neighbors, especially those regarding the South China Sea. Even if the Chinese leaders agreed to all the demands put forward by the US and its regional allies, they would face repercussions at home that could conceivably destabilize the regime — a development that would surely put a bit of a damper on sales of US Treasuries. Mutual assured destruction is a two-way street.
Chinese nationalism may be on the rise, but China’s military spending is one seventh the size of US "defense" outlays, and — in spite of Israeli sales of US secrets to Beijing — the military technology gap between the two countries is lopsided in America’s favor.
Reasserting America’s role as a "Pacific power," and vowing to "project power and deter threats to peace" in the region, President Obama is rattling the saber in China’s direction for purely domestic political reasons. The labor unions at the core of his constituency traditionally hate China and all things Chinese: it’s a sentiment that dates back to the latter part of the nineteenth century, when labor agitation against Chinese "coolie" labor resulted in lynch mobs prowling the streets of San Francisco and the rise of the anti-Chinese "Workingman’s Party." Big Labor would love to slam tariffs on Chinese goods: after all, Chinese workers are guilty of the crime of providing Americans with reasonably-priced products that everyone wants, and so must be punished. In addition, the neoconservatives — always in the market for a new enemy, and a new reason to increase military spending — have jumped on board the anti-China bandwagon.
In short, here is an issue on which both Democrats and Republicans can agree, albeit each for their own reasons, a political reality that heightens the danger of a US-China conflict.
Finally, who can doubt that racism plays an enormous part in the current China-bashing campaign? There is much irony in this: the President’s supporters have a long history of deploying ethnicity as a political-ideological weapon, accusing administration opponents of "racism" at the drop of a hat. Yet they don’t hesitate to raise the specter of the Yellow Peril threatening our "leading role" in the Pacific.
The US is utilizing the regional summit to confront the Chinese, insisting the matter of the South China Sea be put on the agenda. Yet this brusque tactic is meeting with a decidedly cold reception from the smaller Southeast Asian nations. This resentment was pointedly expressed by Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, who noted the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) had adopted guidelines for a code of maritime conduct signed by China earlier in the year:
"ASEAN now has a clear scenario and approach. So ASEAN countries will not let the Southeast Asia region become a competition arena for countries who consider themselves as big powers, whoever or whenever they maybe. We have an interest to make a clear code of conduct [for the South China Sea] so that concerns from non-Southeast Asian countries can be reflected based on the interest of ASEAN countries’ national interest."
Our interest in the South China Sea is hard to understand, at least on the face of it. That the US should play a "leadership role" in determining who has valid claim to these waters makes about as much sense as China playing a similar role in regulating the waters of the Caribbean. Imagine the response on the American street if the Chinese decided they were going to intervene in a dispute over the Gulf of Mexico: the Chinese street is bound to have a similar reaction if we intervene in the South China Sea.
Unleashing the unpredictable fury of Chinese nationalism would not result in a favorable outcome for the US, but pressure from Big Oil as well as Big Labor may prevail over common sense. The former are very interested in the large deposits of oil that have been found in the disputed waters, and these interests would have much more clout with, say, the government of the Philippines, or their old friend the Sultan of Brunei, than they would with the dour bureaucrats of Beijing.
The propaganda war against China has taken a new tack, lately, one previously reserved for the Russians: the Chinese are routinely blamed for intrusions into US government computers, and other sensitive installations. The charge is that they are massively stealing unspecified data, and even interfering with US satellites. These reports, however, are long on accusations but short on evidence: as Air Force General Robert Kehler, commander of the U.S. Strategic Command, told reporters: "What I have seen is inconclusive."
The General misses the point: when you’re fighting a propaganda war, it isn’t necessary to make a direct hit, or even get close to the target. One simply has to open fire, and the resulting noise is in itself a victory. After all, who among the general public has the time or inclination to gather and weigh all the evidence? Instead of undertaking such a wearisome task, they’ll simply conclude there has to be something to the charges, or why else would there be such a brouhaha.
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davidgrayling
November 17th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
As an Australian, I just watched our politicians give Australia to the world's biggest warmonger, America.
With never a second thought, Obama has been given a marine base plus access to naval facilities and airfields. This sends a clear message to China. Australia is on America's side. Australia will help America to contain China. Australia will assist America to stop China from assuming its place in the world.
The fools in the military and the Parliament who created this catastrophe will not have to pay the price but their children may. Australia will be cut by China as a major supplier. You can't blame China for that. Why would any nation enrich a country that is helping China's main enemy (and is the main enemy of the world)!
Poor fella, my country. Soon it will be friendless in its region.
liberranter
November 17th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Forget about Obama, who is just a sock puppet for the real powers that be. It is these powers that be who are either incurable imbeciles (thinking that Amerika can really wage war on the one nation on Earth that can sever its economic carotid artery in an instant) or are so devious as to have a plan in place that will spread socioeconomic havoc while somehow saving their own skins. Either way, things are about to get really ugly for Sean and Sharon Sheeple.
MarkD
November 18th, 2011 at 12:11 am
In my opinion, the media shares a big part of the blame.
http://in-other-news.com/2011/CNN-reporters-want-…
Isn't it strange that nobodys like Bachmann get airtime while Ron Paul is ignored?
From the article:
"In other words, only about 4% of the airtime was dedicated to the antiwar candidate, while the other 96% were filled by seven pro-war candidates"
That pretty much sums up whether CBS wants peace or not.
MarkD
November 18th, 2011 at 12:13 am
Sorry for replying to my own post, but in my opinion the only real decision is in the Republican primaries: If Ron Paul wins the nomination he is president because then the media can no longer ignore him and Obama is hated already. If Ron Paul does not win the nomination it does not matter which Republican gets the nomination and it does not matter whether a Republican or Democrat wins the election.
Wolfgang9
November 18th, 2011 at 2:10 am
I cannot imagine, that Ron Paul can become the next president.
As much as I and many of my friends would love that.
The people who really have the power in the US will do everything to prevent that.
Okay, I'm pessimist,
W9
MarkD
November 18th, 2011 at 2:52 am
I cannot really estimate his chances, only that I think it's much higher than 2008.
Also many people are sick of the wars and sick of huge bailouts.
Should Ron Paul do good at the first primaries (even a second or third place would be enough) then the media can no longer ignore him.
But you are right of course that the establishment has enormeous power and there are a lot of brainwashed people around.
Still, it's either Ron Paul or some empty suit.
Mick
November 18th, 2011 at 6:48 am
"while Washington continues its anti business policies" if our government is anti business I would hate to see a pro business government. In truth, our government is controlled by an alliance one of the members is big business. Justin I agree with your anti war stance. However your right wing talking points are absurd.
WashingtonDC goddamn
November 18th, 2011 at 8:25 am
Mick, have you recently visited a mall or an industrial area and seen the vacant store-fronts and boarded-up buildings with "For Lease" signs. That is what Justin is talking about.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 18th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Even though Ron Paul is excellent on the middle east war issue,I still do not want him to be elected president of the US. Ron Paul is in fact a whore for the corporations. Ron Paul will increase the supply of nonwhite immigrant scab labor to satisfy the monumental greed of the superrich. Not only will this cause extreme economic hardship for milions of Native Born White Americans, this nonwhite scab labor policy is causing a massive and radical racial transformation of America that will with 100 percent certainty cause a massive racial backlash-revolt in America..this no doubt, will unleash violent goverment repression against millions of Native Born White Americans. In other words, Ron Paul has effectively made a declaration of war against the Native Born White American Majority..hence, Ron Paul is in fact a war mongerer. I don't like the choice of Ron Paul nonintervention in the middle east and Ron Paul a war mongerer within the borders of America. The antiwar movement better come up with a better candidate..which it can not.
Ron Paul is just another wierdo treasonous corporate whore Libertarian who will destroy America.
antiwar7
November 18th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Obama and the powers that be are for crony capitalism, where the big buys are favored by government regulations, and respond in kind. I think Justin was referring to true free enterprise and open markets, and not crony capitalism.
liberranter
November 18th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Mick, don't confuse these "businesses" that manipulate the reins of power with real, competitive enterprises that deliver useful goods to paying customers voluntarily parting with their own money in a free market. These entities are state-corporate parasites that survive and prosper ONLY because they have captured the legal and regulatory apparatus of the State for their own ends, largely squeezing out any meaningful competition that would result in the decentralization of power and elimination of current crippling, market-killing, special interest-driven taxation and regulation schema. If most of these "businesses" were to be forced to compete tomorrow in a truly deregulated and free market, they would collapse within a week due to their entrenched corruption and inefficiency.
So, yes, the current environment is anti-business, if by "anti-business" you mean "anti-free market."
liberranter
November 18th, 2011 at 8:58 am
I don't know what you're smoking, but will you share with the rest of the blog?
WashingtonDC goddamn
November 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am
I'm curious. Who is your candidate? Are you pleased with the current President, who is "enforcing the border" and killing non-whites all over the world.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 18th, 2011 at 9:18 am
lirbanter
What is it that you don't understand in my post? It goes right to the heart of the issue confronting American society…nothing but a statement about the facts about Ron Paul. Ron Paul is being pushed as the antiwar candidate. However, his open enthusiasm for a nonwhite scab labor policy that is having massive demographic consequences for the Native Born White American Majority is effectively a declaration of war within the borders of the US. Ron Paul's scab labor enthusiasm will provoke a massive racial revolt-it has already started in Arizona and Alabama..more states to come- in the Native Born White American population..this, without a doubt, will massively discredit "anti-war" Libertarian Presidential candidates. The fact that Libertarians can't comprehend this obvious point only goes to show that Libertarians are fanatical to the point of possibly being insane.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 18th, 2011 at 10:05 am
washingtondc
Hillary Clinton is a war criminal..as is her husband. Bachman,Perry, Rommney and Gingrich are war criminals waiting in the wings. I wouldn't vote for any of them. But war is war..including the one Ron Paul has announced that he would wage against the Native Born White American Majority( his most recent comments on immigration policy can be found in the vdare.com archives). If one opposes war in one sitiuation and context oppose it in another. But on a real world political level, the antiwar movement is enthusiastic about waging a vicous race war against the Native Born White American Majority..and this is why they are enthusiastic about a Ron Paul candidacy. It is for this reason that anti-war Libertarians and anti-war Leftists will be seen -sooner or later-as a treasonous political fifth column within America. This does have the great potential to massively discredit the antiwar movement in the same way that the OWS is discediting itself when it calls for wiping away the borders of America. So what I am basically saying is this:the Ron Paul for President crowd,the antiwar left crowd-Noam Chomsky and Z Magazine-and the OWS crowd are in the end just another faction of the war party..
WashingtonDC goddamn
November 18th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Does this mean that you would be in favor of a white scab labor policy, say Russian immigrant or Polish, or Serbian? Are you concerned about jobs held by the Native Born "non-white" etc etc etc? Is Obama the racially "pure" candidate that will promote your White Majority? You sound like a paid or unpaid troll from a George Soros website. Maybe that is why your ranting makes no sense.
WashingtonDC goddamn
November 18th, 2011 at 10:25 am
A rock is a pillow — because you say so — you still haven't said who your candidate is — I suspect it is Barack Obama.
@dslyoga
November 18th, 2011 at 11:06 am
@ O'Raiffeartaigh … Your comments on Ron Paul are, to me at least, unrecognizable relative to his actual positions. I am aware of NOTHING he's said to indicate he's for "scab labor" as you put it. And I have read a LOT of his stuff.
You refer to the vdare website for your evidence. I just went there and read a bunch of the posts related to Ron Paul and immigration. You apparently just skimmed it and just took Tancredo's and a few others characterizations of Ron Paul's position on immigration as if they were actually accurate. It does not appear you went elsewhere to check the facts nor their opinions. Tancredo takes Ron out of context by about a hundred miles.
For example, New American critiqued these recent "interpretations" of Ron's book Liberty Defined regarding his stance on immigration. They do not agree with Tancredo. And having read their publications for 20 years or so, I give The New American FAR more credibility than most commentators on such subjects. And having read Ron's whole book myself, and much other work, his official position is NOT what you say it is. …
As far as his position back in 1988, conditions were far different back then, and even Ron Paul will change his mind IF the facts warrant doing so. That is only reasonable and necessary in a changing world. Although because he is principle based, rather than poll or public opinion based, he seldom is in a position to have to do so.
One minute on Google will get your his actual, stated position, including the link to the New American article refuting this alleged shift in Ron's positions.
Google: ron paul immigration
You might also not be aware that THE most pure libertarian position on immigration, well presented by Hans Herman Hoppe, would not allow ANY immigrant into the country without a specific, individual invitation, because ALL property would be private. But even Ron Paul acknowledges we are not in that ideal world, and must work with what we actually have, and move carefully yet aggressively in the directions we want. But move we will, especially if he get's elected. But complete misrepresentations of his positions are not helpful to anyone, except maybe Obama and his friends.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 18th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Washingtondc
I am not a Barack Obama supporter. If Hillary Clinton is a war criminal..what does that make her boss?
No. I am not for flooding America with Russian and/or Serbian scab labor..or Irish and or German. The aforementioned Eruopean ethnic groups need to stay in their own nations and revolt against their race-replacement. Russia has a very healthy and growing racial nationalist movement.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 18th, 2011 at 11:38 am
dslyoga
Ron Paul's most recent statements on immigration were covered on vdare.com a few months I'm quite certain that you can find them in other places. It is pure unadulturated open borders:amnesty,H-1 and L-1 B asian scab labor and a massive does of contempt for-specifically-Native Born White American workers. By the way there are other aspects of his economic agenda that are absolutely repellant such as:privatization of Social Security,the free trade job theft program, eliminization of all OSHA regulations,privatization of State and National Parks..Ron Paul is a waging a very nasty economic war on behalf of the corporate psychopaths…because he is one himself. But the Libertarians and Leftists such as Noam Chomsky and the Z magazine crowd demand that millions of Native Born White American families who are one or two paychecks from the street care about US policy in the Middle East..maybe they can't care.
johnc
November 18th, 2011 at 11:54 am
<<If Ron Paul wins the nomination he is president because then the media can no longer ignore him>>
You mean like the way the media didn't ignore Goldwater?
Claus Eric Hamle
November 18th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Obama got elected because Bomb-Bomb-Bomb Iran-McCain is insane. And he´ll be reelected because all the other candidates, except Ron Paul, are insane.
andy
November 18th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
We should end immigration and get control of our borders, though not necessarily for the reasons you say. Since 1965 America has had huge waves of people, many of them from non-traditional areas of migration, wash over it. Time is now needed to digest and absorb these people and their descendents, as ending immigration in 1924 allowed us to absorb the Ellis islanders and their descendents. The unemployment and under-employment rate is also way too high. Chain migration, which essentially is family nepotism, should be ended. It has crowded out immigrants who qualify as independents, and was and is, the major factor throwing our immigration system into a tailspin of chaos. We should also end birthright-citizenship, which is a misinterpretation of the constitution. We should also end dual-citizenship, which is an automatic conflict of interest. We shouldn't be giving away citizenship like it is candy. We should also make English the official language of the country.
Robert Brager
November 18th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Or Dole, for that matter.
rick
November 18th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
In short, you favor national socialism instead of real freedom.
Lewis
November 18th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Telling the Chinese to keep out of the Sea of China is like telling Mexicans to keep out of the Gulf of Mexico.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 18th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Rick
I favor what the vast majority of the human beings favor 1)a fair and humane economic system and 2) racial nationalism. What racial-ethnic group doesn't support this. Every leftists in America supports this except when it comes to Native Born White Americans. Both 1) and 2) are fundamentally about freedom..freedom from being a wage slave to the pychopathic corporations and freedom of self-determination. Ron Paul's acolytes are truely a bunch of strange creatures.
If we are going to have a discission about war..discuss the different ways in which it is waged against different civilian populations.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 18th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Andy
We should not absorb and assimilate the nonwhites who are already here..it will make it even easier for them-Fareed Zacaria-to occupy important policy positions in the goverment thereby accelerating Native Born White American racial dispossession. The Hindus come to mind in this regard..they are definitely waging a racial war of aggression against the Native Born White American Majority..and Ron Paul is on board with this….being as he is, a fanatical supporter of the H-1 B and L-1b visa scab labor programs. By the way, the immigration policy that Ron Paul supports could cause the US to implode into a state of prolonged racial warfare for decades…what is happening is unprecedented in human history. It is a defacto war that Ron Paul is waging within the United State…the level of stress it is causing in the brains of millions of Native Born White Americans will leave little room to contemplate the horrific foriegn policy consquences of Republicans and Democrats
Jaime
November 18th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
To make things right, why don't the transplanted Europeans aka the Native Born White Americans start returning all the stolen land to their real owners. How easy it is for you to state that the browns are to blame for the ills that the incompetent and corrupt white elites in your country have caused. By the way, you should also return Arizona to Mexico. Revolt? You should've done that against your masters a long time ago.
John_Muhammad
November 18th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Never, EVER, underestimate the power of a nationalist population. The Japanese made that mistake in China, the French and later the US the same mistake in Indochina, and we're seeing the re-emergence of it in the Middle East. Sure the US may have a military technology edge over the Chinese, but who seriously believes we are angling for a shooting war with them? Our 'war' with the Chinese is purely economic, and the way I see it Beijing has all the best cards in its hand AND they own the dealer- Washington is just doing its best to hang on and hoping to stay in the game.
Mick
November 18th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
I agree, partly. However the answer is not this absurd and pie in the sky libertarianism. History has shown over and over again if you let business run wild you get what you have today. They gather more and more power. First to destroy the little guy, then to get undue influence over the government. I have been around the world and the countries that work are the Denmarks, the Swedens the New Zealand's . They have no boarded up businesses, In fact Denmark's minimum wage is 22.00 dollars an hour. Their citizens have enough money to buy things. Our country is about slave labor, war and F—- the others.All libertarians would do is get rid of the minimum wage. There us a name for that it is called the Third World. There is a reason these type of mixed, business controlling countries have not been wars for over 200 years. All Libertarism will bring is survival of fittest. Sounds like domestic war to me.
Mick
November 18th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
You could not be more correct. Ron Paul's foreign policy platform (which I applaud) fools many people to trust his other beliefs. If these wacko Libertarism nuts ever actually get power, we will be as bad if not worse than we are now. True we might avoid this war insanity but all they would do is turn us into a Third World country. I have been to 170 countries. What these libertarians want to introduce already exists in most Third World Countries. There is almost no regulation of business. What you get is food poisioning, dangerous products and no social safety nets.
You cannot really blame them, however. It is just too politically incorrect to introduce race into the equation. So they adobt this ridiculous Libertarism into the argument. It is funny they endlessly site the Founding Fathers, yet cannot face up to the fact that if you could bring them to the present the first thing they would freak out over would be the "browning" of America. Not some minor point like the regulation of business!
andy
November 18th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Mexico has the most incompetent and corrupt white elites. And they like it that way.
andy
November 18th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
We should end immigration. I see no economically logical justification for it. Unemployment is high and adding one million plus new people per year exacerbates the many strains in our society and on our economy. Some projections call for a population of 450 million by mid-century. What about the ecological consequences? Nor do I see any advantage in such a population increase, unless you love gridlock. This includes chain-migration, (the root of the problem) the H-1B visa program which disadvantages Americans, and our flawed misinterpretation of the constitution which allows birth-right citizenship (a.k.a 'anchor babies'). We also need to get control over our borders. We should stop the indiscriminate giving out of visas. All the 9/11 hijackers were "visa-overstayers". No effort was ever made to round any of them up. We paid for this. Unfortunately, as with those who call one an "anti-Semite" for criticizing Israel and Zionism, so are those who question the wisdom of unchecked immigration called a "bigot" – the worst thing one can be called in this age, equivalent to accusing someone of the "crime" of homosexuality in Victorian times. We also need to end dual-citizenship.
andy
November 18th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
What you have to realize Mick is that there are all kinds of ways for human societies to be organized and to function, not just the American way. The problems you describe are caused by poverty, not libertarianism. If anything many of these countries have too much bureaucratic legislation and government corruption. This is why they have huge underground economies.
Guest
November 18th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
We stole it fair and square.
Mick
November 19th, 2011 at 1:56 am
Amen
Mick
November 19th, 2011 at 4:26 am
What you say is exactly what happened. In the debates, Obama came across as a leader, calm and informed. McCain came across as mean spirited uninformed and a total warmonger. I must say I am not encouraged watching the GOP debates. It was more like a debate for Israel's president, than a American debate.
Mick
November 19th, 2011 at 4:34 am
The problems are not caused by poverty. In America if you do not have health inspectors what do you think will happen. Rats, bad food handling, and many more things. The libertarian answer is so absurd to be beyond belief. They say well if you get sick, you will not frequent that establishment again. That is theory for most of you de-regulation types. However for me having spent 11 years in the Third World puking my guts out over a toilet and having it come out the other end at the same time is not theory it has been a reality. Not the country I want to live in.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 19th, 2011 at 8:40 am
Mick
You got my point. Interestingly ,Noam Chomsky who is Mr. Antiwar on steroids has publicly stated that he will nopt vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul's economic agenda is incredibly harsh..I mean privatizing SS..this is genocide against seniors.
Jaime
Yes the moth-eaten leftist response abut the poor Ameridians.Who did the Ameridians steal the continent from? It is an open question as to who came to North America first. But there is very interesting evidence that a European group from France might have made it here first only to be exterminated by later arriving Ameridians("Native Americans"). The "noble" Ameridians engaged in 20 thousand years of in group exterminations…they have nothing over–moral superiority- the Europeans in this realm of human activity. I am not just talking off the top of my head about this. More powerfull evidence about Ameridain in group extermination was presented in Science magazine a year ago.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 19th, 2011 at 8:47 am
The post-1965 immigration that Ron Paul and Noam Chomsky are so enthusiastic about is inflicting extreme economic hardship upon millions of Native Born White Americans. This makes it a 100 percent that there will be no room in the brains of millions of Native Born White Americans who are 1-2 paychecks from the street to contemplate the horrific consequences of Republican-Democratic treasonous Israel first foriegn policy.
Native Born White Americans are under no obligation to commit racial suicide within the borders of America because it would make Noam Chomsky,corporate whore Ron Paul, Michael Albert and Alexander Cockburn very happy.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 19th, 2011 at 8:53 am
If the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed and if OUR America had a Nationals Origins immigration policy that completely excluded Muslims, the probability of 9/11 occurring would have been =0. This would have decreased the probability significantly of a nuclear war end game in the the Middle East in 20012. Take that Noam Chomsky and Ron Paul!!! What is Fareed Zacaria doing in Our America?
MichaelKenny
November 19th, 2011 at 10:34 am
What's happening, I think, is that the US is slowly pulling back from its role as world hegemon, fundamentally a positive development. US foreign policy initially was concerned essentially with the American continent. Then, the US began to expand into Asia. It expanded into Europe only after WWI and even then, reluctantly until after WWII. Then, it expanded into the Middle East, initially looking for oil supplies but later as Israel's protector. As Obama pulls back from the Middle East and Europe, he is re-centering US foreign policy on the Pacific Region, where the US has territory. A logical move if the US is to have a "normal" foreign policy which looks to American interests.
Sam
November 19th, 2011 at 11:00 am
At least it is more honorable to vage a fight against an eqaual opponent than to bully the weaker around., aka Irak, Iran…
Sam
November 19th, 2011 at 11:01 am
t least it is more honorable to vage a fight against an equal opponent than to bully the weaker around., aka Irak, Iran.
Justin Raimondo
November 19th, 2011 at 11:08 am
I meant "anti-business" in comparison to Communist China ….
Jaime
November 19th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Yes, and yours is the brutal right wing bla bla where might makes it right. How far do you think you can go with "scientific arguments" such as "it's an open question" "…a European group from France might have made it here first only to be exterminated by later arriving Ameridians…". Facts are facts and what I am talking about is history, not some hogwash from somebody who can't accept reality, I never said that Amerindians were "noble". The concept of le bon sauvage was in vogue in the 17th century, and nobody takes it seriously anymore. Since the Amerindians did not have any moral superiority it was ok for the transplanted Europeans (people like you) to come and kill and steal, right? Great argument indeed! Science Magazine may present theories galore, but anybody who thinks knows they are just theories.
Sam
November 19th, 2011 at 11:13 am
At least it is more honorable to dare a fight against an equal opponent than to bully the weaker around., aka Irak, Iran…
liveload
November 19th, 2011 at 11:22 am
The Chinese are just sitting back and watching us exhaust ourselves. As long as our drunken raging doesnt come too close to their house, their content to sit and wait. When the federal government collapses under the weight of debt, they will be in a position to begin making collection calls. Our position will be weakened by many expensive, failed foreign military campaigns. Our assets will belong to them., the states will distance themselves from Washington and America will cease to exist. It will be a collage of states forming smaller countries. Then we'll begin fighting for what the Chinese left behind. Sounds awful doesn't it? Well, it's just your average ghetto financial tragedy writ large.
andy
November 19th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
There is certainly something to what you are saying Mick, but you are going too far. I consider myself a libertarian, but I have never said I don't want health inspectors. By the way I also don't return to restaurants I think are unclean or make me ill.
andy
November 19th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Immigration shouldn't be based on historical realities that occurred in the 17th century. Should Mexico be subjected to global immigration because Cortez conquered the Aztecs in 1521?
andy
November 19th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
We should end immigration. Americans were never told what would be the consequences of the 1965 act.
andy
November 19th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
True enough. Opening the floodgates in 1965 made the 9/11 attacks possible. It didn't help that nobody does anything to go after "visa-overstayers". Japan hosted the 2002 FIFA world cup finals. Al-Qaeda planned an attack there, but had to abandon it because it couldn't establish a cell or safe house in such a homogeneous country with such strict visa controls. Personally I would simply have maintained the demographic structure of America by not having immigration. The population would have stabilised at about 220 million. Americans would be better off economically and ecologically. I don't see why America needs any immigrants at all. Nobody has ever given me a logical, non-emotional answer to this question. People just act as if the simple action of questioning it is somehow "immoral".
Megothia
November 19th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Eejit – the ancestors of the natives of the American continent have been living on said continent as long as or LONGER than today's Indo-Europeans/Ugric-Finnish speaking peoples and their descendants have been living in western Eurasia (known as Europe).
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
liveload
That's exactly how it will happen. The US will collapse along racial national lines. The Chinese already own the Calofornia State University System and Silicon Valley. The US is increasingly dependent-a treasonous Republican-Democatic policy decision-on Chinese and Indians to develope US military technology while at the same time destroying centuries of Native Born White American Scientific,Engineering and technolgy expertise. Moreover, Native Born White Americans are being forced to subsidize China's weapons designers in US universties
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
And quite possibly they exterminated a earlier European arrival from Western Europe.
Anyone who suffers from guilt about Ameridian dispossession of the North American continent is free to throw themselves in front of an on-comming train. But let's be honest, the guilt trip nonesense doesn't apply to the hindus,sihk,chinese,iranians and koreans who are flooding into Native Born White America…no,no, these racial groups are being encouraged to take advantage of Ameridian dispossession..the game is the mass race-replacement of the Native Born White American Majority..not to hand North America back over to the Ameridians…take that Noam Chomsky and Michael Albert!!! Native Born White Americans are under no obligation to commit racial suicide within the borders of America because you two demand it. And what are you two gonna do when they revolt against race-replacement…
Sam
November 19th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
China will gain nothing in a real conflict with Uncle Sam and why? Better to cool it down and cooperate. We need each other to make it better worldwide .We are all ADAM'S sons and not perfect.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 19th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
You miss my point. Eurpeans are being singled out as being uniquely evil therefore full steem ahead with a post-1965 immigration of Native Born White American race-replacement and economic dispossession. and exactly why should Native Born White Americans be in favor of this. And the scientific evidence regarding Ameridians is not only of the highest quality..it is the cutting edge research on the peopling of North American. European setters didn't do anything that the Ameridians weren't doing to each other for at least 20 thousand years. Go see my response to Megothia.
Jaime
November 19th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
"And quite possibly they exterminated a earlier European arrival from Western Europe." Lol. Yes, and 'quite possiby' men came from Mars and women from Venus. Guilt. Well, that's not my case because I am an Amerindian (Peruvian) and very proud of it. Since you overwhelmed the native population in North America and make no excuses for it, then it's perfectly fine for other 'minorities' to do the same to the transplanted Europeans in the US. In the end, your thoughts ran counter to the dynamics of history. Migrations are only natural and majorities become minorities. Good riddance to you and your ilk.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 19th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Well Jaime since you have taken of the gloves…you shouldn't be the least bit shocked that millions of Native Born White Americans will resist race-replacement .What do the Peruvians intend to do about it? Well, there is nothing they can about it. It is not perfectly fine..Native Born White Americans will do what ever it takes to halt and reverse race-replacaement.
Sam
November 19th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Money is a construct. FREEDOM is more POWERFULL.
El Tonno
November 19th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
"History has shown over and over again if you let business run wild you get what you have today."
That doesn't make sense front, back and sideways. Where does History show this? Really, SHOW ME FUCKING YEAR.
Currently big biz (big pharma, bug media, big warcrap) run wild *because they were put into power by the guys responsible for not letting this happen*.
> In fact Denmark's minimum wage is 22.00 dollars an hour. Their citizens have enough money to buy things.
You don't understand what a "minimum wage" is. It is not about giving working people enough money to get through the day. It is about eliminating the jobs that create (in this case) value of less than 22 USD per hour. Enjoy the self-service, the clueless and possibly jobless entrants on the job market and immigrants working under the radar.
As for "having enough money to buy things" … well, as an Eurozone citizen not a member of the government hordes I would seriously assume that all the money for my pension scheme will be worth crackers when I need it. But by then technology will have improved to the point where robots take care of the elderly for pennies a day, who knows.
"All Libertarism will bring is survival of fittest."
You don't know anything about Libertarianism.
El Tonno
November 19th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
"healthy and growing racial nationalist movement."
Oh ok. Don't fall over your stack of "Mein Kampf" reprints on your way out.
Megothia
November 19th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
they are subject to global immigration from Europeaan stock Mennonites to Italians – even the richest Mexican is of Arab stock (Slim)
Oswaldwasalefty
November 20th, 2011 at 2:46 am
"…Big Labor would love to slam tariffs on Chinese goods: after all, Chinese workers are guilty of the crime of providing Americans with reasonably-priced products that everyone wants, and so must be punished…."
B.S. Justin and you know it. Chinese bosses, and their foreign enablers, are guilty treating Chinese workers like shit. Here you make it sound like Chinese workers are gladly working for low wages, when in fact there is all kinds of workplace organizing going on throughout the country.
Let me know when you would be willing to work for the pay a typical Chinese worker gets living where you live, or anywhere in the U.S. for that matter.
O'Raiffeartaigh
November 20th, 2011 at 6:27 am
Sam
I am sympathetic to your point of view. However, the borders of America are not up for grab. The Bill Clinton-war criminal and serial rapist-adminstration made very serious provocations against China that could have started a nuclear WW3. As far as the middle east goes:a US-Israel nuking of Iran is at this point in time 100 percent inevitable. I hope the Rusians and Chinese become peace brokers if this happens…it is probably the only way to avoid Nuclear WWW3. The use of nuclear of weapons against Iran by the US and Iran will cause a world wide uproar…resulting in war crime inidictments at the hague for Barack Obama,Hillary Clinton and Netanyahu. Evangelical Southern Christians are potentially in very big trouble also.
quizmasterchris
November 20th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Justin, Obama and HRC & the rest of the DLC are no different from any Republican when it comes to being pro-business. Obama just wrote an op-ed in Murdoch's WSJ explaining his executive order for the federal government to ignore regulations on business. And surely you know that NAFTA, CAFTA and other trade agreements were written by business lobbyists with the SPECIFIC AIM OF EXPORTING AMERICAN JOBS. Plenty of honest conservatives such as Paul Craig Roberts point this out every week. I'm with you on all of the anti-war stuff but the contention that too much regulation on business is a "real" problem while 20% actual unemployment ISN'T is a bit much.
Megothia
November 20th, 2011 at 9:43 am
HEY STOP WHINING THEN ABOUT BEING "BROWNED-OUT" IN THE U.S.A., AFTERALL YOU SEEM TO ESPOUSE ONE RACE INVADING AND DEMOGRAPHICALLY KNOCKING OVER AN EXISTING ONE, SO NOW IT'S THE EUROPEAN-DESCENDANT'S TURN. TAKE SOME OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE HYPOCRITE
Megothia
November 20th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Exactly, why is Rafferty so bent out of shape at this point in U.S. history? Because now possible it's the honky tribe's turn to9 be on the receiving end. Waaah!
Ian
November 20th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
The rest of the world cannot wait for that day. It would probably happen when this country is broke and not a day sooner.
Jaime
November 20th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Of course Peruvians have nothing to do about it. That's not the point. The point is that you whine so much about caucasians becomind a minoriy in the US. I find your coocern so perverse because it disguises a racist mien. What you should be concerned about is for everyone in the so-called melting pot to live harmoniously. What if the browns become a majority? Don't worry, they won't put you in reserves. I can guarantee.
San Fernando Curt
November 21st, 2011 at 2:37 pm
So "traditional" racism of labor unions plays a large part in "China-bashing"? I think offshoring of American jobs is what's upsetting American labor unions, together with dismantling all trade protection that once made it profitable for American companies to manufacture goods here instead of overseas sweatshops. More and more, America doesn't make anything anymore. As that process continues, we'll see the nation degrade to Third-World status. This won't happen because of illegal immigration or low honkie birthrates. It will happen because our economic design will mirror that of every backward pesthole on earth: A tiny elite lording over an enormous, poverty-stricken underclass. Wealthy countries are that because their wealth is spread thoughout their populations, not distilled to a remote, vigorously selfish ruling class.