The Return of Barbarism
How imperialism corrupts the soul of America
“We came, we saw, he died,” babbled our notoriously bloodthirsty Secretary of State as news of Moammar Gadhafi’s grisly murder hit the headlines. Throwing her arms up in a gesture of mock-triumph, she averred – perhaps sarcastically – that she was “sure” her recent visit to Tripoli had something to do with the Libyan dictator’s death.
It’s hard to imagine a more inappropriate response to the revolting scene of Gadhafi’s last moments, as captured on video: beaten and bloody, propped up on the hood of a jeep and paraded through the streets of Sirte by screeching rampaging savages, these scenes elicited revulsion even from some pro-rebel Libyans. Here’s Andrew Gilligan in the Telegraph on how the ghoulish scene went down:
“In Benghazi, on the main square where it all started, they were slaughtering camels in celebration. There they sat, eight of them, feet tied so they could not move, quivering with fear as they were beheaded one by one. As soldiers fired rifles in the air, members of the cheering crowd held up the severed heads as trophies. They daubed their hands in the camel-blood, and gave the V-for-victory sign with dripping fingers.”
This revolting scene illustrates why “democracy” – in any sense of the term that makes sense to Americans – will never come to Libya, not in a million years. In the politically correct world of our policymakers, and the view of the mainstream media, people all over the world are identical in their essence: they have “rights” that are supposedly universal, and first and foremost among these rights is self-rule. To call any of them savages, as I am doing without apology, is considered “racism,” and to even suggest they will soon revert to their historical pattern of saddling themselves with yet another brutal dictator is derided as “cynicism,” not to mention sour grapes in the face yet another “foreign policy success” by the Obama administration.
Let us look at these “triumphs,” which, one and all, are marked by their lawlessness and bloodthirstiness: the assassination of Osama bin Laden, the drone killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, and now the lynching of Moammar Gadhafi by US-NATO proxies. The distinguishing characteristic of all three acts is barbarism – a studied disregard for the rules of war and the common decencies that define what it means to be civilized.
That a US Secretary of State hailed the horrific death of someone – anyone – the way Hillary Clinton did in the case of Gadhafi would have been almost inconceivable in an earlier era: say, the 1950s or 1960s. That today no one so much as blinks tells us everything we need to know about the age in which we are living: to call it barbaric is to slander barbarians.
Insulated by distance, and inured to “old-fashioned” concepts of right and wrong, Americans are largely indifferent to this evidence of advanced moral degeneration: after all, these things are happening in faraway places, not here in the good old US of A. It’s images on a television screen, or a computer screen: perhaps it is not real at all. They look at these images and turn away – not out of revulsion, but out of ennui. It’s just another day in the life of the American Empire.
Yet that empire is now embarking on a dangerous course, one that involves placing every American – and every Westerner – in mortal danger. In rampaging through the world, imposing “order” and “democracy” on nations that have never understood or experienced either concept, we are unleashing what will turn out to be a whirlwind – one that will surely once again visit our shores in the form of a terrorist act, or, more accurately, an act of retribution against the heedlessly arrogant policymakers who made us a target.
We live in a dangerous world, say the interventionists: that’s why we can’t retreat into our castle and imbibe the joys of what they call “isolationism.” We have a responsibility to exert our “leadership” over the rest of the world – and never mind that all our efforts only increase the danger to ourselves and others.
The peculiar blindness that afflicts our elites – epitomized by Hillary’s unashamed variation on Julius Caesar’s famous phrase – is reflected, I fear, in the population at large. How else does one explain the response to the Obama administration’s recent announcement that the President is – finally! – fulfilling his campaign pledge to get all US troops out of Iraq? In counting on the complete ignorance of the general public as to the crucial context of this announcement – the breakdown in negotiations between Washington and Baghdad over the terms of a “residual” force remaining in country – administration strategists were not far off the mark. The supposedly informed professional pundits, whose job it is to know – and report – the facts, glossed over the deceit of the administration’s grandstanding, even as negotiations with the Iraqis for an extension of the deadline continue.
What both the administration and their sock-puppet pundits are counting on is the complete ignorance – and indifference – of the American public. And in that they are not likely to be disappointed.
Which leads me to my point, and it is this: moral degeneracy and stupidity go hand-in-hand. Whether one is the result of the other, or vice-versa, is for students of evil (evil-ologists?) to determine. I can only observe the growing phenomenon of an almost invincible ignorance that characterizes Americans on every level of the social ladder, from our politicians to ordinary people on the street. You can blame the education system, or the dumbing-down effect many claim to see in the new technology – is it an accident that Twitter, which limits the user to a few words, is the preferred mode of communication among tech-savvy albeit dumb-as-a-brick Americans? However, my thesis is quite different.
The evil is the irrational – a desire to defy the laws of nature and get away with it. It is, in short, the idea that one can cut corners on reality and attain some benefit, usually short-term, without having to endure the inevitably unpleasant consequences. Virtue, on the other hand, is a strict adherence to the natural laws of Reason, a relentless realism in the face of endless temptations to evade or somehow mitigate objective reality.
The American republic was birthed by a group of men who epitomized the old-fashioned realist virtues, and who – for that reason – warned their heirs and legatees against the temptations of militarism and imperialism. In this the Founders reflected the tenor of the times, and the revolutionary spirit of the rebellious colonists – who distrusted all government, but especially the sort lorded over by hubris-besotted monarchs, like King George III, who, in their madness and impiety, could imagine no credible challenge to their rule.
The American empire, on the other hand, was birthed by a series of Presidents – Wilson, both Roosevelts, and every modern chief executive – whose sole concern and “achievement” has been the expansion of government power, at home and abroad. Far from avoiding the temptations of militarism and imperialism, they sought to redefine both as virtuous expressions of “humanitarianism” and devotion to “human rights.” After a long and gloriously peaceful era of prolonged distancing from the quarrels and ambitious schemes of the European colonial powers, the Long Peace ended with the ascent of the first “progressive,” the bombastic Teddy Roosevelt, militant imperialist and Morgan tool, who set the US on a course of empire.
In the “progressive” lingo of the times, the advice of the Founders in regard to foreign wars was derided as archaic. The liberal editors of The New Republic, echoing the rhetoric of the Wilson administration, considered World War I to be a progressive crusade on behalf of liberty and the principle of national self-determination. FDR disdained the “horse and buggy” restraints placed on government by the Constitution, and his “progressive” supporters argued for his foreign policy in similar terms: “isolationism,” they declared, was outmoded by the reality of modern warfare. If we didn’t stop Hitler in Europe, his stormtroopers would soon be marching down Fifth Avenue.
Reviled reactionaries such as Col. Robert McCormick, publisher of the Chicago Tribune, argued that Hitler and his blood-brother Stalin should be allowed to destroy each other before the US intervened. (This horrified the progressives of that era, who had abandoned their skin-deep anti-war views when Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, and were mainly concerned with protecting their precious “workers’ fatherland.” Remember, this was a time when such mainstream liberal voices as The Nation were defending the Moscow Trials.)
Having erased the boundary between republic and empire, the American giant strode into the postwar era intent on expanding its influence throughout the globe. King George III would have understood.
Yet still there had to be an argument for overriding the Founders’ good advice, and neutralizing what our arrogant elites disdainfully refer to as the natural “isolationism” of the American people. There had to be some external threat, as in World War II, to justify the tremendous expense, in treasure and human lives, of building an overseas empire on a global scale. The cause of anti-fascism had sufficed in the 1930s, but the defeat of the Nazi empire and the humbling of Japan made the creation of new threats an immediate task – which the cause of anti-Communism neatly fulfilled.
This gave the War Party a good half century or so of virtually uncontested political supremacy, in this country and in the West more generally: but the free ride came to an end when the Berlin Wall fell, and the Soviet Empire exploded. Suddenly, there was no red Satan with a sword looming over the Kremlin, no great external force that could possibly be construed as a credible challenge to American power.
With this development, the American elites gloried in what Charles Krauthammer declared to be “the unipolar moment.” The French spoke of America the “hyperpower,” and the neoconservative brain-trusters over at The Weekly Standard proposed that we drop the republican (small-‘r’) pretensions and openly proclaim our imperial ambitions. A much-touted “debate” between Niall Ferguson and Robert Kagan, over whether the US is or should call itself an empire saw little disagreement on the first part of that proposition and mere quibbling over the second. To Western elites, the question isn’t whether they should rule the world, but only if they can afford to openly acknowledge their ambitions.
This kind of arrogance leads inevitably to a paralyzing stupidity because hubris induces a kind of blindness. A megalomaniac, who overestimates his own powers, lives amid an elaborate delusion, a self-enclosed and self-justifying belief system that simply excludes contradictory evidence. In the last days of the American empire, our elites live in a similar bubble, an alternate universe whose boundaries are dictated by narcissism.
This accounts for the surrealistic tone of our political discourse, in which all talk of meaningful cuts in the military budget is disdained as unrealistic, while in the next breath we have a debate over what to do about our impending bankruptcy. It explains not only how Obama can brazenly lie via omission in announcing the withdrawal of US “combat troops” from Iraq, without being called on it, but also how Ron Paul can come under fire for pointing out the obvious: that terrorism is a consequence of having abandoned the foreign policy of the Founders, who warned against going abroad “in search of monsters to destroy.” For our megalomaniacal policymakers, the idea that actions have consequences – and that misguided policies have highly unpleasant consequences – is near treasonous. They are above the law of cause and effect.
In seeking to recover and revive the realism of the Founders’ generation, Rep. Paul has certainly taken on a heroic albeit thankless task, and I don’t envy him. Indeed, some very small part of that burden is on my shoulders, and those of my co-workers here at Antiwar.com, but there are times when I wonder about the odds of achieving even some small measure of success in my lifetime. Because the corruption of the ruling elite, its blindness and narrow-mindedness, seems to be seeping down into the general population to a degree I never imagined.
The major argument of the first anti-imperialists – the organizers of the Anti-Imperialist League, who opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s expansionist ambitions in Cuba and the Philippines – was that imperialism would corrupt our republic, and change the character of our people forever. They feared an American Empire would fatally subvert the republican mindset, which set limits on political power, and unleash our baser instincts. With the addition of subject peoples, who had no concept of limited constitutional government, the American union would lose its uniqueness: the old republican mindset would give way to a political culture that set no limits on government power. They pointed out that the economic interests who benefited from US intervention – in Hawaii, for example, the sugar tycoons – were corrupting the US government, bending American foreign policy to the requirements of their profit margins.
As the Empire enters its second century, this narrative of economic, political, and moral corruption takes on a new dimension: a fresh layer is added to the encrustations left behind by a decadent elite. Arrogance is no longer an upper-class, elite style, and surely you’ve noticed the sense of entitlement that suffuses the Davos crowd has trickled down to the masses, who riot at the very idea that their bankrupt governments can no longer afford to support them cradle-to-grave. Economic and political illiteracy are rife, and as for knowledge of foreign affairs – one might as well be talking about Einstein’s theory of relativity or the latest developments in molecular biology. During the Vietnam war, the details of every development were on every American’s lips: today, I doubt whether one American in five could locate Afghanistan on a map.
Knowledge is disdained, and slogans predominate. Where else but in America could we see the rapid rise of a supposedly conservative anti-tax candidate on the strength of a three-number formula – nine-nine-nine – that actually increases taxes on most ordinary Americans? It’s all about who can come up with the most simplistic phraseology: whether it’s “change,” “nine-nine-nine,” or “a new American century.”
In a republic, citizens take part in the political process out of a sense of duty, and self-protection. They make it a point of honor to understand the issues, and knowledge, for them, is power. In an empire, however, things are quite different: since the citizens can only influence the course of events to a limited degree, if that, little emphasis is put on acquiring knowledge, and more on acquiring power and influence with the powers that be. If one is aligned with a rising faction, as opposed to siding with the losers, then that’s all one needs to know, and no further investigation is required. Politics, then, is reduced to a battle between rival factions over who gets what share of the loot.
This accounts for the increasing emphasis on the “horse-race” aspect of politics in the media, and the lack of any real debate over principles and policies. It accounts, indeed, for the dumbing down of American politics, and the cheapening of the discourse in recent years. Indeed, I would take this analysis of the dumbing down phenomenon much further, and venture to say that the intelligence of American people, in general, has undergone a precipitous decline. I’m not just saying they’re less educated than ever, although one could make that case: I’m saying they have less intellectual capacity than previous generations, and this trend shows no signs of abating. Quite the contrary, it seems to be getting worse.
How did this happen? We return to the link between virtue and rationality – and the nature of evil as inherently irrational. A President who can hail a death as brutal and bloody as Gadhafi’s, a Secretary of State who can shriek her appreciation of such a revolting spectacle – these are not marginal exceptions to the general rule. Instead, these responses are reflective of America’s inner cultural and political rot – an America that long ago betrayed the Founders, ditched realism, and is now the complete captive of a debilitating madness.
As the Obama administration outdoes its predecessor in its relentless pursuit of empire, what we are witnessing is the return of barbarism, open and unashamed. It is the culmination of a trend that has been long in the making, and one that will go unnoticed as long as it continues – because evil, after all, is blind to its own nature.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





FC Bock
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Depressingly correct.
skulz fontaine
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
And on the foreign policy sidelines, America is reduced to 'splatter diplomacy' and that about says it all.
Fred
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:38 pm
A former British M15 agent discusses Quaddafi's good works in Libya and warns of parasitic Western corporations in the future:
"They’ve had free education, free health, they could study abroad. When they got married they got a certain amount of money. So they were rather the envy of many other citizens of African countries. Now, of course, since NATO’s humanitarian intervention the infrastructure of their country has been bombed back to the Stone Age. They will not have the same quality of life. Women probably will not have the same degree of emancipation under any new transitional government. The national wealth is probably going to be siphoned off by Western corporations. Perhaps the standard of living in Libya might have been slightly higher than it perhaps is now in America and the UK with the recession."
http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-political-comme…
Johnny in Wi.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Has there ever been a more evil and bloodthirsty old hag then Hillary Clinton? Justin: That was some great essay about how we got into this mess over the last 100 years. The Imperial Presidecy has been the major cause of our trouble. Wilson started it but the people of the 20's repudiated him,his war and his League of Nations. Roosevelt had a very hard sell to get this country into WW2. After that the imperialists have had a pretty free hand. The country is either going to go forward to a revival of limited constitutional goverment, as put forth by Dr. Paul. Or we will continue the downward slide to another world war and bankruptcy. I will say it again. It is Ron Paul or ruin.
Yon Little Pig
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Has there ever been a more evil and bloodthirsty old hag then Hillary Clinton?
She's neck and neck with Madeleine Albright.
RickR30
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Fantastic piece.
It is bizarre indeed how the most developed nation in the world, as time progresses seems to be moving backward or rather meeting up with the past. So much for history being linear and not cyclical. The witch hillary shrieks in delight as Gadhafi is lynched and abused as the common folk in the middle ages used to enjoy the popular spectacle of executions, immolations, and what must have been the highest form of entertainment, someone getting hanged, drawn, and quartered.
The political class in inbreds no doubt it is a state of political mania. Brought about by their own fascination with themselves and their great ideas. Still caught up in the awesomeness of globalism, a movement that thanks to the uncritical acceptance of everyone has gained an uncanny collective effervescence, politicians can see no wrong with it, while their equally intellectually challenged bastard relatives in corporate America are slowly coming to the realization that globalism was a en expensive mistake, hence the trend to ward insourcing.
And it is hard to save the American people from indictment. They want their politics and even life to be like sport. These are the good guys (put a white uniform on them), there are the bad guys (they get the black uniform, or is it other way around these days?); every political event is treated like a point in a match- look Gadhafi got killed- point for us- cheers and shouts of approval ensue! Political debate is reduced to cheap and repulsive entertainment. Watching moth romney and ricardo perry "debate" was more like watching an audition tape by rich cracked-out bimbos for the next season of Housewives of DC. And that's entertainment! People get the government they deserve, whether by commission or omission by that people. I hope in the case of America it's still because of omission that we end up letting these evil pieces of dung run our country.
Avi of Mondoweiss
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Justin,
You can't possibly expect to be taken seriously when you use the reference to the camels to explain WHY Qadhafi was treated the way he was and then jump to the conclusion that democracy won't come to Libya in a MILLION years, as you put it. That's not reportage, and it's certainly not journalism. That's just cheap propaganda.
You need to get a grip on your orientalist bullsh!t.
Then you go on ranting about how The Natives don't understand the concept of rights and self-determination. Wow. You're so full of yourself and your Western exceptionalism, the stench seems to have clouded your thinking.
What do they feed you libertarian types that makes you so ignorant yet confident in your smug racism? I suggest you stick to writing about domestic issues as you remain clueless about the world outside your 100 mile radius comfort zone.
And since we're jumping to conclusions tonight, do you suppose the FBI was investigating you because you're of Italian descent and we all know that organized crime flourishes in the region your family came from? I don't think true democracy will come to Italy in a million years as every second Italian seems to be connected to the mafia.
P.S. — Wrapping racism in pseudo-intellectual nonsense like you did here forms the basis of colonial thinking since Columbus until today. It's the same garbage, recycled.
I know this post won't change your mind as you're pretty comfortable in your ignorance.
Joel
October 24th, 2011 at 12:25 am
Ghadaffi was filmed being sodomized before his execution. Who needs propaganda?
@revolutionXX
October 24th, 2011 at 12:32 am
Libya – NATO used FAE bomb, a thermobaric weapon, nicknamed "poor man's atomic bomb."
Posted on 18/10/2011 at 15:36 – 5900 visits
Source: ALGERIA ISP
Libya – NATO used FAE bomb
ALGERIA ISP / Zengtena as it is with real sadness to announce the death of 1200 civilians and patriotic in Bani Walid. The NATO planes bombed the area of the airport and the military factory with a bomb FAE "Fuel Air Explosive", nicknamed "poor man's atomic bomb." It's a scary bomb blast that sucked all the oxygen around the impact area of 2 square km, suffocating and all patriots and civilians in this area.
Among the deaths are martyrs of Sirte, the Libyan Tarhouna, Khomsa, Misrata, Bani Walid and other regions.
NATO wants to end this war quickly especially after the CNT announced through the media lies the town of Bani Walid fell.
Make sure that the Libyans will never let their green cities in the hands of these traitors and NATO.
— end of article —-
source: http://www.algeria-isp.com/actualites/politique-l…
some more details about the incident can be found in an German article: http://julius-hensel.com/2011/10/libyen-bani-wali…
wikipedia explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon
camus10
October 24th, 2011 at 1:11 am
the libyan caricature projection may have been exaggerated but the innuendo may be fitting for NATO supported rebels extracted from marginal tribes. The savage conduct is self-explanatory, cant argue but maybe Justin would agree, it has become US interventionist policy to use the proxy of those with no compunction or restraint. He is certainly on the mark for calling BHIillary to have used this occasion to deceive us on the Iraq withdrawl.
I would ask antiwar to use their influence to demand open debates or a clear timeline to go third party divorce from the RNC
mickperry
October 24th, 2011 at 1:56 am
I'm with Avi on this one, and the reality is surely that the bestial savage lives just below the surface in all of us. Justin, when was the last time a Black man was lynched in the US? A mere half century ago? Do you think lynch mobs behaved any differently to these Libyan savages? Since the days of lynching passed into history the good old US of A has given us My Lai and countless other horrors right up to the present day: horrors which include the kill team' in Afghanistan that collected body parts of their murdered (for sport) victims as trophies. The US have even institutionalised barbarism and depravity. How else can you explain the School of the Americas? Civilisation is a very very thin veneer.
ummabdulla
October 24th, 2011 at 3:56 am
When is antiwar going to talk to someone who actually knows something about Libya? Or all they all 'savages', Justin?
https://www.facebook.com/notes/caroline-tilden/an…
Emilyrose
October 24th, 2011 at 4:06 am
I blinked!
I all but cried to see such a horrific scene – with my own government complicit.
But I can't promise to blink if I ever see Hilary suffer a similar demise.
No camels but definitely bubbly.
If that makes me a barbarian so be it, but frankly some people are now so evil, so vile, so seeped in the blood of their fellow man that it comes to a stage where one can only rejoice, rejoice.
They are totally devoid of soul or redemption.
Hillary clinton is one. Of course Tony Blair must top the iist.
Compared to these professional torturerers and murderers Gaddaffi rates a minus F.
Oswaldwasalefty
October 24th, 2011 at 4:21 am
First all of, the NTC didn't "win" this war. The West did. Bringing in the might of best air forces in the world is what won the war. Kind of like an amateur basketball team "winning" a game using NBA All-Stars. Of course, the NBA All-Stars are going to "win" easily over any amateur team.
The astounding ignorance of the knuckleheads cheering on the savagery of the Qaddafi execution is amazing. I know that Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee weren't executed after the Civil War, and I believe the general amnesties after the war included the entire leadership of the Confederacy. How you end the war is most important when it comes to winning the peace. General amnesties and not applying the death penalty to any of the defeated leadership is absolutely essential for the reconciliation process. Savagely executing the former head of state you've overthrown, who represents a significant tribe within Libya, is not a good start for the "New Libya". And just how "new" with this Libya be, what with the talk of bringing back the monarchy and running the country on the basis of Sharia. Yeah, that sounds really "new".
One could argue that the U.S. has been an empire from its foundation. I think the promulgation of the Monroe Doctrine, and the U.S. War of Aggression Against Mexico, misnamed the "Mexican-American War", mark the beginning of the U.S. as an empire in deed, as well as word. That marked the phase in which the U.S. dispatched with the kind of advice economists give to colonies. You know, pursuing comparative advantage. The U.S. pursued conquest and cotton in its aggressive war against Mexico, and has never looked back.
Jacques
October 24th, 2011 at 5:49 am
So, with Qaddafi gone, already the wheels are being put in motion for turning Libya into a Sharia Law country.
Good work guys! You got rid of one devil, only to unleash a torrent of new ones.
AAA
October 24th, 2011 at 6:03 am
I suppose if they'd slaughtered cows instead of camels it wouldn't be so "savage," right?
Terrance&Philip
October 24th, 2011 at 6:06 am
FTA: “We came, we saw, he died,” babbled our notoriously bloodthirsty Secretary of State as news of Moammar Gadhafi’s grisly murder hit the headlines.
Considering the breathless and smiling manner in which Frau Clinton pantingly said this, a more accurate statement would have been, "He died. I saw. I came."
Terrance&Philip
October 24th, 2011 at 6:13 am
On the "bright" side, she'll never be president.
America is just not ready for a gorgon in the Oval Office.
Terrance&Philip
October 24th, 2011 at 6:15 am
With mechanized warfare, (and especially death by drones), the banality of evil marches forth in double time. Hannah Arendt was a prophetess.
Emilyrose
October 24th, 2011 at 6:23 am
I think you missed the point.
It was why and how they slaughtered them and the hands dripping with blood.
liveload
October 24th, 2011 at 6:31 am
"This revolting scene illustrates why “democracy” – in any sense of the term that makes sense to Americans – will never come to Libya, not in a million year"
I'd expect this kind of shit from the likes of Frank Gaffney, not here.
Saddling themselves with another dictator? Are you serious? Did you miss the last 150 years of U.S. history? How much more obvious do you need to have a western-backed coup appear? I mean they're doing everything including endzone celebrations ala Clinton; what else do you need, a mea culpa from the CIA and MI6? Just wait a few decades, I'm sure an FOIA request will fulfill that desire.
Mezenc
October 24th, 2011 at 6:32 am
I am not sure why Justin thinks the broad American populace is responsible because they never get to vote on anything important. This barbarism is totally the province of the elites and it happens because they are not the least bit afraid of being held accountable. They are not afraid because they know "Al Qaeda" and Islamic jihadism are fantasies.
@revolutionXX
October 24th, 2011 at 6:54 am
They also – as always – crashed civilian targets and the civilian infrastructure for all: water supply, electricity, food storages, telecommunication, broadcast stations – anything.
This began as a second step including helicopter and drones over the libyan towns after this very clear statement about the tactical why civilian targets are chosen:
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/06/05/nato-hits-trip… Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said the latest escalation would push Gaddafi’s allies to abandon him
NATO did not want to accept democracy in Libya, i.e. accepting the Libyan offer of democratic elections supervised by UN and AU (www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlX-Q4kp6-I ) They wanted to bomb the Libyans to stop them to choose the "wrong democratic system" 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7gG2vPgZ50 and person that represents it. Bombing of the central water pipeline for 70 percent of Libya AND (!) the factory for waterpipes to disable repair, means it was an intentionally war crime against civilians – as well as bombing all type of utilities like electricity, telecommunications, broadcast station, gas, -anything, even food storages and residential areas so that everybody could be a victim.
This is not new – it is hidden principle, like that what formerly did and did call "canon boat "POLICY" or even "diplomacy", which however simply was: putting a canon with longer range than that of a seaport canon and shoot from save distance till the town surrenders. Todays canan boots is the airforce. Defenseless people are bombed till they surrender. The few rebels shooting impressively for western cameras, was actually made to cover the reality I mentioned before.
They did the same in Yugoslavia according to an article called: "spanish fighter pilots admit NATO bombs civilian targets" which actually tells much more serious things than the headline.
You find this article here: http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Kosovo/NATO-attack/sp…
But the most damage and turn to barbarism INSIDE Libya, will be the destruction of the Libyan Democracy, called Jahamaria, the state of the masses, with was a democratic structure especially for the liybayn tribes structure.
see
Explanation of the democratic system of the Libyan state of the masses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX1DijkPgZ0
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhArxeJIY8o watch?v=rN18Sg5w5t8 Libyans womens congress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rqLQOzgSUY National Conference for Libyan Tribes, Tripoli 5 May 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX1DijkPgZ0&NR=1 libyan democracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjO49AMypn4
Gaddafi speech about democracy, NATO etc. – before millions in Tripoli 1.july 2011 after 4 months of NATO bombardments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0XsF03fNM4
Libya : Tribes Declaration [Eng Dub][15-08-2011] الجزيرة : قبائل ليبيا http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnsMXP9L7Sc
For those who may not know,these distinguished gentlemen speaking are the heads of HUGE family groups and peoples in Libya ,known as 'Tribes' and are thus the leaders ,combined, of MILLIONS of people,all pledging allegiance to ,The Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya and the guide of the revolution Gadhafi and against NATO.They are also asking for those among the 'rebels' to stop backing the NATO enemy and lay down arms & stop attacking their Libyan brothers and system. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0XsF03fNM4
Libya Colonel Gaddafi's Son Saif Al-Islam Responds To Rebel Suggestions Libyan Leader Should http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QlXSNUWsIs (WILLING FOR ELECTIONS ETC.)
You should know that everywhere in the country huge and smaller congress halls were build for peoples assemblies and committees. Of course to judge how good the democracy was may be difficult for us, but e.g. this looks quite good for me: I do not understand what they say, but it really looks like direct democracy (speaker is: Saif al Islam Gaddafi) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7gG2vPgZ50
Eric
October 24th, 2011 at 7:04 am
I'm reminded of the president's cabinet in the movie "Idiocracy." When you consider, for instance, that financial industry executives are put in charge of regulating the financial industry, to which they will return after their term of service, it's actually worse.
We have a government where there are zero qualifications for appointment to the most critical posts, including president. The last president since Eisenhower (translation: Iron Tusks, a fitting counterpart to Stalin, Man of Steel) even remotely qualified to be commander-in-chief was Carter. Someone like Obama can't make a critical assessment of what his generals tell him.
We really need a new constitution, or at least a boatload of amendments.
fenistol
October 24th, 2011 at 7:14 am
The celebration of death is bad, but the celebration of empire is worse. "Veni, vidi" was coined by Julius Caesar, after all.
Rich
October 24th, 2011 at 7:29 am
Actually I think there is something to it. They may be easily led, but cheering and preening (self-admiration) is obvious. Not as obvious is the disgust and despair felt the other half. But here is a hint about the people. Before the banking rules changed and savings accounts, real retirement accounts (now known as defined benefit retirement plans) and mortgages – all were stodgily and prudishly held in trust, constantly by the people and institutions who were originally contracted to do so.
Most people didn't get rich, or go broke, but saved and managed a reasonable outcome.
Once all that changed, and people were herded into 401Ks, equity lines of credit, and teh local bank no longer even knew who held the paper on the houses, most people got 'into it' and became cheerleaders for M&As, IPOs, investment banking etc.
I know it's a stretch and I shouldn't try to make the case in a short response like this, but the thing that changed people's minds about money and led to a disaster, is similar to the thinking that leads them to war after war after war – inevitably to result in disaster.
And we can not afford to pay for the next disaster – because dollars are worth less than dirt now. So what do you think will be the price of hubris in the end? And who is responsible for it?
You and I are – if for no other reason than because we unerringly failed to stop it.
Enjoying a chocolate chip cookie and a big cup of incuriousness now :)
fenistol
October 24th, 2011 at 7:41 am
The story of US diplomacy: "We came. We saw. Children died. It was worth it."
AAA
October 24th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Well, slaughtering animals will invariably involve the shedding of blood. If Americans can celebrate the death of Bin Ladin without being called savages, then why can't the Libyans do the same after the death of Ghadhafi? Don't be so naive as to dismiss the blatant orientalist reference ("ooh exotic camels, how savage!"), as if Libyans are the only ones who ever celebrated someone's death.
musings
October 24th, 2011 at 7:45 am
Madame Clinton's bloodthirsty response to the executions of Gadhafi, his son, and others, aside, you can see also what this brings: for the past few years, Libya's sovereign wealth fund was on the dirty end of the stick of the mortgage crisis. Wall Street Journal, in May 2011, stated that Goldman Sachs alone plundered the investments of Libya (some of which might have as previously gone into infrastructure – Gadhafy understood he had to calm his domestic base) "losing" 98% of some figure beyond a billion dollars. Libya also had money invested by JP Morgan and many European banks. The death of this man was a foregone conclusion, long before the revolt. He was one of suckers who enriched Wall Street. So there are two sides to this coin – the Democratic administration and the Republican Wall Streeters. Two thuggish elements working together to loot and pillage.
The only question for the Empire at this moment is whether to let the charade of "new democracies" play out a bit under the Dems while the pressure can build to take them down again once another cat is out of the bag on rip-offs.
Emilyrose
October 24th, 2011 at 7:51 am
Ron Paul 2012 pray God.
There is talk of an Obama/Hillary ticket.
Richard T.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:52 am
The real president initiating the “birthing of the American empire.. whose sole concern and achievement has been the expansion of government power, at home and abroad”….Abraham Lincoln.
HHLongview
October 24th, 2011 at 7:57 am
It's a privilege to read the work of fearless and original thinkers – ones up to 'telling it like it is'. Too few of them.
Telling it like it is again and giving us the setting accurately in which "what is" was birthed: Bravo Justin Raimondo.
Yon Little Pig
October 24th, 2011 at 8:18 am
And I always thought that animal sacrifice was a thing of the past.
Maybe somebody should give Mel Gibson a call; he likes bloody spectacles (Apocalypto; Passion of the Christ). I think he could do something with the dead camels and the abuse of Gaddafi's corpse.
SeriousCitizen
October 24th, 2011 at 8:21 am
It is true that the US population, as a collective political culture, revels in revenge and dealing out death. My old high school teacher recently wrote to me that she is "glad" that Gaddafi died as he did. Our national leaders now seem like characters out of Mafia movies, taking personal pleasure in the violent murder of people who are "enemies". It feels barbaric. I am saddened and disheartened. Thank you, Justin, for speaking clearly and forcefully on this. You articulated my thoughts.
Emilyrose
October 24th, 2011 at 8:52 am
To behead any animal to use its blood as a form of celebration of a brutal killing is barbaric.
It is savage.
Penny Pincher
October 24th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Source please Joel?
Apparently this was a common practice of ancient Egypt, to sodomize captives taken in war before killing them. Perhaps it was never really completely abandoned.
musings
October 24th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Yes, and thuggery is hardly even distorted anymore by a few years' gap between the handshake on camera (Bush Sr. and Saddam, for instance) and the photo ops with Ghadafy or his son. Of course there was that interview between Dan Rather and Saddam shortly before pre-emptive strikes. The only thing the interview seemed to reveal to me was Saddam's parochial conservatism and his concerns about the drinking of hot liquids and the taking of solid food – just like some peasant I once met in Hungary who was telling me I was taking my tea all wrong.
The US is capable of putting these tiny and limited men in the funhouse mirror to make them huge and looming over us. In fact they are petty people who were ripped off for their oil, and whose revenues were regularly stolen. I'm trying to think of comparable characters in The Godfather, who are simply passive recipients of power, who then have the plug pulled on them. The Pope in Godfather III, perhaps. Someone all dressed up and allegedly with power but who is merely a place holder which real power may manipulated. Of course real power can get burned too, but mostly it anticipates "threats".
Penny Pincher
October 24th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Rodney King.
Penny Pincher
October 24th, 2011 at 9:16 am
I am ashamed of my country for its leaders' flippant attitude toward death. They are psychopaths.
Terrance&Philip
October 24th, 2011 at 9:26 am
I wonder if Hillary could have said it in Latin. "Mortuus est, vidi, veni."
Luther Blee
October 24th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Animal sacrifice is still way too common place on this planet for that camel sacrifice to be signal out as barbarous. Christianity and Buddhism are notable exceptions in this regard – but Christian and Buddhist nations often still do it to in ways that range from bull-fights to turkeys at Thanksgiving.
A NATO pilot eating a big mac is far more barbarous sight than misguided rebels celebrating the death of a police-state dictator.
Ali
October 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am
I've never commented before, but I have to say that this is one of the best pieces I've ever read on the topic. What a great summarization of trends from the top to the depths of society. Great work Justin, you stole the thoughts straight out of my mind.
Bianca
October 24th, 2011 at 11:00 am
A very disturbing analysis, but chillingly rings true. Violence has been put on the pedestal.
I must comment, though, on the assumption that those "others" are incapable of being human. Suffice to say, Raimondo, you know that imperial power ALWAYS installs the scum of earth to rule. If indeed it is possible for you, as perceptive as you are, not to understand it, what is the hope for the rest of us? Do you think that EVERYONE in Libya subsribes to this primitivism? Unfortunatelly, the reigns of power have been given to the scum, the opportunists and paid servants of the empire of every stripe. The rest of the society will have to keep their heads low. The scum is killing, pillaging, raping with impunity. The "revenge", the new imperial name for plunder. Look at Kosovo. The "Goverment" consists of tfhe crime families that for decades trade in heroin, human beings, and human organs. The society has been turned into a giant crime operation, with only the native Serbs being the "problem". In any empire, only scum rises to the top, not the cream of the society.
Gadhafi Murder a Laughing Matter for Zioness Clinton
October 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
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answerman1949
October 24th, 2011 at 11:27 am
When the president can murder any U.S. citizen he calls a "terrorist" and can indefinitely detain without trial, he invites the very "terrorism" he claims he wants to avoid. "Domestic terrorism" is just around the corner, and it won't be based on "Islamic extremism," it will be based on an outraged citizenry taking back its government.
Strider55
October 24th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Please do not insult gorgons in that manner.
musings
October 24th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
It should probably not surprise me, but it sort of does, to see this Wellesley graduate who once had some sort of reformist fire in her belly, going in this direction. But at every step in her career, she went for the power over the integrity. It seemed bizarre that she would stay with Bill, but there you are – not so feminist after all. Unless you consider Evita Peron a feminist. The myth of standing on her own two feet – hm. It even seems that Obama appointed her Secretary of State under the dictum: "Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer." Why does she pander in a such a low class way to the rebels in Libya, when they stand for Sharia law and nothing she has ever alleged she stands for? It's always about power with her, I guess. Being in with those who have it, being able to direct them. I have yet to see a good analysis of her untainted by routine misogyny or partisan politics. There should be some psychological study, because she is likely to be influential of future women in US politics. Perhaps she merely puts to rest forever the idea that women in government are likely to be more rather than less moral than men. But why is she so obvious about how amoral she is? She lacks finesse.
San Fernando Curt
October 24th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
In the great old film noir "Out of the Past", there's a scene in which a fugitive gun moll, lover of the hero, shoots the gunman he's just beaten up. Robert Mitchum's head whips around to underline the moment of truth, when scales fall from his character's eyes and he sees for the first time the dark soul of the woman for whom he's thrown away everything he is.
Someone I know who was Hillary Clinton's biggest fan in 2008 admitted she was appalled by the Secretary of States shocking reaction to Gaddafi's gory end. Maybe this is the beginning of an awakening for the American people, something that shakes them out of their slumber, their trust in eternal circumstance of outdated Right and Left.
Now it's Us vs. Them. And at present, Them are warlords with guns we call our leaders.
zee
October 24th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
I don't know, from reading the piece, it seemed that Justin was denouncing the West just as much as the East.
zee
October 24th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
the whole world is savage and evil. i'm moving to mars. i only have like 5 or 6 tickets left. i'm opening it up to antiwar.com readers first.
andy
October 24th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Look at it from the point of Washington elites. They get to wage wars. They don't do the actual fighting and dying. These wars don't cost them much politically. They increase their power enormously. So for them its a great deal. A feckless and braindead American population doesn't hurt either.
Sam
October 24th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
To avoid barbarism or fascism, "Our common task on this planet is to surrender to this same universal urge to unite and play our part in the great coming together of mankind ~ and it begins with each one of us surrendering to love, social cooperation and altruism versus hatred, separation and greed". by Allen L Roland
Fred
October 24th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
The Gaddafi I Knew
By Eric Margolis
"And this was still the younger Gaddafi whose idol and father figure was Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser with whom he shared the dream of uniting all the Arabs and throwing off western neo-colonial rule.
"Like Nasser, Gaddafi was bitterly disappointed by his fellow squabbling Arab rulers who had no interest in Arab unity or liberating Palestine. Gaddafi’s dismay turned to rage against the Arab leaders; they, in turn, saw him as embarrassment, a lunatic, and menace."
…
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2011/…
Emilyrose
October 24th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Perhaps those who find, unlike myself, no problem with beheading camels would join me in a compromise.
Can we all agree in beheading Hillary.
Plenty of precedent.
Someone like Robespierre springs to mind.
As one of the leading neo cons who has the blood of literally millions on her carefully manicured hands it would be a most appropriate ending to her bloody career (not forgetting Vince Foster).
Tony
October 24th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Apparently you had feces in your eyes at all the parts where Justin ripped Hillary Clinton a new one for celebrating someone's death.
Furthermore, the man who is condemned here for calling Libyans savages has never had any good to say – to my recollection – about those celebrating Bin Laden's death. So you are setting up a massive strawman, dousing it in gasoline and setting it ablaze.
Not even mentioning the Tu Quoque of "if our guys can be assholes, why can't they?"
Of course it should be turned around. If pro-war and pro-assassination types are savages, then why be "tolerant" of Libyans by NOT calling them savages? When it comes to hypocrisy, it is the pot calling the kettle black, with you being the pot and Justin Raimondo not even being a kettle.
You sensitive types will never change, eagerly looking for reasons to throw around the racist card that makes you feel so good about yourselves.
"Orientalist"…Yawn. On which college campus did you learn that?
Here's an article about bloodthirst and true barbarism all around in both the West and the middle east, and you P.C. obsessed crybabies still can't get over your obsessions with "insensitive" word usage. It's old and boring, and it's a red herring by people merely posing as anti-war and anti-barbarism.
camus10
October 24th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
luved ur note Tony
this link id for those who may reconsider the savage murder of libyan children by indiscriminate NATO bombing. For those with lil kids, its is intolerable even haunting. There will be no peace unless we learn to appreciate all humanity (more than our pets)
http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_ur…
Jan Burton
October 24th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Gaddafi was a brutal tyrant who permitted no dissent, but he was probably suppressing far greater savagery among his Islamist opponents.
I hope I'm wrong but I suspect Libyans will soon remember Gaddafi's rule as the "good ol' days."
Yon Little Pig
October 24th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Nice post, Emilyrose! Whether it's cats, dogs, camels, cows, sheep, chickens – I don't care. It is unseemly to behead animals as part of celebrating someone's death. Yes, they ARE a backward people! We got over that garbage aeons ago.
Gekke
October 24th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
“We came, we saw, he died”
"We went to war,we lied"
"We took your money,you cried"
"You know we'll never be tried"
Peace.
camus10
October 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
incase you didnt know
the islamic way of slaughtering animals comparable to our industrial tools, is far more hygenic.
the islamic procedure is to bleed the animal after a mortal wound to the neck and allow blood draining into their olive-vine groves. Then they revel in the vines and the spirit of the sacrifice. You could possibly not tolerate hearing our way…
BTW, anyone who is unable to appreciate the barbarism of NATO-US-Israeli troops in so many wars, anyone with no conscience of the untold suffering we have caused is deliberately ignorant. The phosphorus bombs, the cluster bombs, the depleted uranium bombs – slow death, epidemic of birth defects and leukemia.
David Lee
October 24th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
One of your best pieces, Justin. Thank you for the voice of sanity in a sea of ignorance.
It would seem Uganda is the next Imperial Front, the LRA our new enemy-du-jour. I look forward to your take on Museveni and the Uganda situation.
David Lee
October 24th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Check out The Daily Show for Oct. 20th to witness how even a young, liberal, progressive audience can brook no criticism of Gaddafi's slaughter. Stewart is indignant that anyone would even raise questions. I believe the corruption of our national character is more or less complete.
Jaime
October 24th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
I agree with Carter being the last president with the qualifications to be one, However, interestingly enough, the enlightened American public thinks it was one if the worst. They think the moronic Ronald Reagan was a great chief of the executive.
eric siverson
October 24th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
A lynching of a young black boy happended only maybe 10 yrs ago in Mobile Alabama , but it was not done by a large crowd , The murderers were cuaght and the Alabama KKK was implicated .. The black boys mother was at the first parole hearing for these 3 young white boys . She had forgiven them and was hoping they could be released . The white boys were truely repentant and asked for her forgiveness . Yes we have done plenty of bad things , but I do believe the Islamic culture is considerabley more barbaric . They teach barbarism and have laws even commanding it . while we have laws against it . I for the life of me can not find any american interest in restablishing poligamey , the stoning of women or most of Shariah laws . Just what is america's interest in any of this ?
eric siverson
October 24th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Thats the kind of bombing NATO did to Yugoslavia too . Miloseviv was a rather popular leader Gadaffi must have had a lot of support thats why Lybia was bombed so hard . . You kill the people if they refuse to submit .
Nelson_2008
October 24th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Let's see, Obama can participate in an illegal, immoral war of aggression and destroy a whole country (that never attacked us or posed any kind of threat at all) and the Courts will not/cannot do anything? He can murder anyone, anytime, anywhere in the world, even U.S. citizens, even children, with no accountability to anyone or anything, with no due process, no court jurisdiction, no nuthin'…except his own whim?
So basically we're at the point where Obama could, "legally", decide to perch himself on the roof of a local shopping mall, with a high powered rifle, and start picking people off? "Oh look at the way that guy is dressed…he looks like a 'militant' (whatever that exactly means)"…and then *BLAM*…no more apparent 'militant'. And all the while, the Secret Service and the local cops, etc., would have a duty to stand there and protect "the President" (and bring him more ammo, etc.) while he shoots people for sport?
I suppose if he can murder a 16 year old kid in cold blood, he can murder a 14 year old, or a 12 year old, or he could simply start rounding up little babies, for that matter, and start dropping them out of Air Force One? There are no limits here anywhere that I can see, are there? Does that about sum up where we're at right now?
A. Patriot
October 24th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
You are correct in your statement of this form of slaughtering being more hygienic and I know your intent was probably "noble" here, but you are way off on "they revel in the vines and the spirit of the sacrifice"…. No Muslim I know (and I know hundreds personally) would agree with this and this is in fact contrary to the Islamic faith which reveres the oneness of God.
MoT
October 25th, 2011 at 12:35 am
Back to the Hell they crawled out of for the both of them.
MoT
October 25th, 2011 at 12:42 am
It started from the beginning but the Yanks got their asses handed to them and couldn't make a grab of the Canadian territories. Needless to say they found every excuse possible from there on out to steal as much land as possible whether through forced relocation or mythical grievances.
MoT
October 25th, 2011 at 12:45 am
When you consider how "pussified" our Congress, lap dog media and brain-damaged citizenry is then yes that's where we're at.
guest
October 25th, 2011 at 12:45 am
Yes, they took Gaddaffi and his mistress and strung them up right there in the town square – wait, that was those savage Italians. Aren't you glad they didn't have cell phone cams during the Civil War, Revolutionary War, etc.? The premise that hose people are more bloodthirsty than we are is flawed; look at the way we entertain ourselves and the body count that we rack up on a regular basis and get back to me…
Emilyrose
October 25th, 2011 at 12:45 am
Nothing much new there when it comes to the US presidency.
Take a look at the record of Bill Clinton.
He was/is involved in mass murder both as President and Governor of Arkansas.
He illegally attcked and destroyed Serbia without congressional approval.
He was/is involved in gun and drug running – a career Hilary has followed. See the latest scadal – Fast and Furious.
They did make some effort to impeach him – for Monica.
Emilyrose
October 25th, 2011 at 12:47 am
Margolis lost my respect when he supported the rape and mass murder of Serbia.
Emilyrose
October 25th, 2011 at 3:52 am
I wonder how many of those on this thread questioning the use of the words barbarism and savagery would defend this.
Graphic frame by frame images of the sodomization of Gaddaffi – with a knife.
No I have not watched it.
The images of his arrest were enough to prove to me the justification of Mr Raimondo's article. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2…
richard vajs
October 25th, 2011 at 5:14 am
Animal sacrifice – here in West Virginia, it is called "deer hunting season" Virtual two week holiday. Bucks, does, fawns -it doesn't matter to local white trash; "if its brown, its down!". Churches here host "Hunter's Dinners" , the evening before the slaughter starts.
W1nst0n
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Tony,
This is probably the best post I have ever read on here. I cant hit the thumbs up enough times.
Bravo!
EJK
October 25th, 2011 at 9:34 am
And so the Ron Paul/privatization/"Big Gubment" car-alarm today reduces the OWS Movement to this:
"surely you’ve noticed the sense of entitlement that suffuses the Davos crowd has trickled down to the masses, who riot at the very idea that their bankrupt governments can no longer afford to support them cradle-to-grave."
LOL. Talk about economic and political illiteracy.
Go screw yourself, Corporate Tool.
liberranter
October 25th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Amerika's dumbed-down zombie population has the government it so richly deserves. I just hope to be able to get the f*** out of here in the next few months before the situation becomes fully hopeless.
Yon Little Pig
October 25th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Liberranter, there is no place left to run.
W1nst0n
October 25th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Look closely America. Your tax dollars make this possible.
David Lee
October 25th, 2011 at 10:53 am
I think there are plenty of countries whose populations aren't nearly as ignorant and jingoistic as the U.S.
El Tonno
October 25th, 2011 at 11:04 am
You are part of the problem.
montaigne
October 25th, 2011 at 11:33 am
I wonder when Hillary Clinton will become indicted for murder. She admitted as much: W came we saw, we killed.
So actively participating in killing an unarmed man should take her out, and safely for the lawabiding population, for life, shouldn't it ?
RickR30
October 25th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20124758-5…
RickR30
October 25th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Exactly!
Yon Little Pig
October 25th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Margolis is a one-trick pony: poor poor poor Palestine.
Yon Little Pig
October 25th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
But will they welcome a citizen of an ignorant, jingoistic country? Especially when thousands of disaffected Americans have the same idea of running away?
Anyhow, I have a penpal in a small town in Ecuador. She tells me it's 1/3 Spanish people, 1/3 natives, and 1/3 from everywhere else in the world – people, including my penpal, who wanted to "escape". Better go there with money. It's not like there's jobs everywhere for you.
Brian
October 25th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Seriously. Slaughtering animals is a way of life everywhere, not a sign of barbarism. I think Justin let himself get carried away is all, as he occasionally does, for which I can always forgive him. You try righting the quality rants and analyses he does day in day out and see if now and again you manage not to overdo it. If he stops and thinks through the implications of what he was saying he will realize he has fallen into one of the traps of the imperialist liars who tell us precisely it is our duty to invade a country in order to liberate its people. If Justin wants to fight them he cannot win by appealing to what amounts to a racist and chauvinist strain in Western society: after all, that is precisely the problem, is it not? That we believe we know better than they do?
camus10
October 25th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
please educate us AP
isnt it reveling and celebration to memorialize the sacrifice of ishmael by father abraham
and who are these tribal monster-Nato proxies that carried out this brutal revenge. Will good moslems obtain a fatwa against them and the rulers of Qatar & SArabia for financing rogue crimes
Lucas
October 25th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Albright the witch: "We came. We destroyed the infrastructure. Iraqis died by the million. It was worth it"
Lucas
October 25th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
The orientalism diminishes the piece. And for all the revulsion at Clinton gloating over the execution, the US role in the killing is not emphasized enough. US drones bombed Ghadafi's convoy. The bombing by US airstrike at Ghadafi's compound, killing his son and grandchildren is forgotten, as well as the numerous attempts on Ghadafi's life by the US. The US handed over Hussein in Iraq to be hanged, Ghadafi was served on a platter to the Libyan Contras to be shot like a dog and defiled. The US had Lumumba tortured and killed by Mobutu in Congo. The US attempted to kill Castro in Cuba more times than any person in history. The US provided arms and support to Pinochet in Chile killing Allende. This is the respect the US has for heads of state.
guest
October 26th, 2011 at 4:50 am
Disgusted with America, UK and Europe!!
Terrance&Philip
October 26th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
If we ever try to oust Kim Jung Il, will the MSM resurrect those photos of Maddie Albright lewdly dancing in front of him in a mini-skirt?
Occam's Banana
October 27th, 2011 at 11:23 am
"America is just not ready for a gorgon in the Oval Office. "
Not so. The following just proves Raimondo has hit the bulls-eye:
"A national poll conducted for TIME on Oct. 9 and 10 found that if Clinton were the Democratic nominee for President in 2012, she would best Mitt Romney 55% to 38%, Rick Perry 58% to 32% and Herman Cain 56% to 34% among likely voters in a general election. The same poll found that President Obama would edge Romney by just 46% to 43%, Perry by 50% to 38% and Cain by 49% to 37% among likely voters."
Source: http://swampland.time.com/2011/10/27/hillary-clin…
DameEdna
October 28th, 2011 at 1:28 am
Given that there is strong evidence that sodomy played a role in Gaddafi's murder, what can we say of Obama's "leading from behind" policy – Blowback.